Three Men Mysteriously Die in Backyard of Kansas City House After Football Party | Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2024
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As someone with a roommate who sleeps for days at a time due to drugs/hangover often on the couch and never goes outside I can completely see how he'd fail to notice I was dead outside.
That's sad. I'd get a new roommate.
I was thinking the same thing, in fact many years ago, I did that myself
100%.
I was about to say something similar but you nailed it. It’s tragic but not out of the question that someone is wasting their life away in that way.
Honestly, if you pause it at 5:51 it looks like there are blinds and curtains that are closed in most of the windows.
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3 young men died. If it can be proven that Jordan provided the drugs that caused their deaths, he faces life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Just a quick mention, I can (and do) sleep with a fan running all year round. It doesn’t blow on me when it’s cold but the white noise is great for sleeping.
Me too. I can't sleep without it.
Same here! btw I don't drink, smoke or do drugs
Same here
I used to use a fan. I had a baby and discovered white, pink, brown, and green noise. There’s so much noise, who knew. They actually sound different. I have a tiny noise machine it uses less electricity than the fan did. They have free apps too.
Me too. Otherwise the silence is deafening.
My brother's generation: Drugs will make you stupid.
My Generation: One hit & you're hooked.
This generation: First time dead.
All generations - play dumb games,, win dumb prizes... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure drugs are dangerous but drug war propaganda has done more harm than anything else besides the CIA... It doesn't make sense to do cocaine these days because the cartels ARE some sleazy individuals and they think they put enough fentanyl in to make the cocaine more addictive, but they're so stupid they don't bother to mix it well and there's inevitably lumps that contain large amounts of fentanyl... If we didn't have the idiocy of prohibition keeping all these substances under the table, maybe we could get a handle on this problem....
I told my kids the other day, you will never have the thrill of going to rave, popping a pill, and then having the best time of your life. Those days are gone.
Dr G is missing the fact that people that have only done blow or molly once are dying. He blames it all on addiction and it has nothing to do with that. Some bloke who does blow at his bachelor party and keels over because of fent contamination shouldn’t be labeled an addict. Most of the people I know that died only partied once or twice a year. Fent shouldn’t be in yay, and most of the people that died had no idea it was a possibility.
@@iammuaddib100%. People are dying and they arent addicts
@@CBrown86no but they're still choosing to do drugs knowing the risks. Their cause of death doesn't change just bc they didn't do their drugs daily. Also you can be addicted and still only do it on the weekends.
Thank you for simplifying this. As an alcoholic, I knew exactly what this was. No mystery. 3 grown men partied til they died. End of story.
That’s so sad
@@burntblonde2925 Sad for their families for sure. I doubt they suffered in any way--too high.
@@burntblonde2925 Nope. Just STUPID. THREE simultaneous Darwin Awards!
I concur. Simply a gathering of drunk Kansas/Missouri rednecks doing what they do best..getting blasted while partaking in sportsball in -0F windchills. Just sayin and I live there/here.
😥😥😥😥 God love them!!🙏🙏🙏
i’m four years sober from cocaine and alcohol, and Dr. grande, hit the nail on the head at the end about substance addiction. I felt lost and hopeless in life not knowing what I was gonna do and not feeling I had anything else to give so I turned to alcohol and later cocaine, and those were the two things that soothe my misery of existence. But since I became sober, I became self-employed, doing what I love, and that has given me purpose that I didn’t think I could have, and that’s something better than alcohol or cocaine could ever give me!
Yes yes yes! I was moved by his articulation of the relationship with substances. And congratulations to you! I’m about to hit two years in a couple days 🙌
Congratulations. Stay strong. Best wishes!
i do not understand taking a drug that knocks you flat out for 12 hours. you have missed 12 hours out of your life. alcohol, pot, or psychedelics don't do that. cocaine doesn't do that. only opioids. what is the attraction? do you have great dreams or feel good while you sleep? of course guys like cosby would use it on a victim to have sex the victim wouldn't remember, but thats a very different circumstance.
Amazing job! 4 years is such a feat!!
One day at a time ❤❤❤
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Dude who checked into rehab could've built up tolerance to fentanyl while his friends were less frequent users and couldn't handle the same dose without succumbing to respiratory depression.
Bingo.
Bingo, I think he knew they were out there, and knew he gave them the fatal substance, so just hid until the cops showed-he didn’t want to be the one to find them.
He was inside; if he was outside and fell asleep, he would be dead too.
That’s what I’m saying! Esp since the dude (Jordan) is a successful scientist/chemist and according to one of the victim’s brothers, he’s known within their community as _THE_ Chemist for his hobby of synthesizing all kinds of drugs for recreational use, both for himself and others. So assuming he is in fact an opioid user, he probably had a higher tolerance than even other regular opioid users since he would’ve most likely had his own personal stash that he would’ve been able to customize and make much stronger/higher potency than street level fent, and my guess is that’s what the 3 friends may have dipped into, either knowingly or not (like for instance, it’s possible they snuck some after Jordan passed out, perhaps not realizing just how strong it was). Tragic all around, regardless of what actually happened tho.
@@saskialolitahe’s a data scientist not a chemist at all.
Back in my drug induced party days , I could easily sleep 2 days during the 'comedown' and the only movement would be towards the bathroom and as quickly as possible. Wouldn't even dream of answering a knock at the door.
Also a fan makes a great noise canceling device, even in winter.
"a fan makes a great noise canceling device, even in winter."
As someone that worked nights for years it was the only way for me to sleep without being woke up by daytime noises' - And that was years ago, and I still use a fan ( white noise ) for better sleep
I am 59 now. When I was in high school I went to my friends house for a Super Bowl party and while I was there, an acquaintance put LSD in a beer that I was drinking. I only remember drinking the beer and then I remember being home and staring at my eye in the bathroom mirror. I have zero recollection of what happened to me. I found out later that I drank a gallon of milk and ate a bunch of bananas. I could have easily died because I have no idea how I got home and anything could have happened to me. I think what these guys took was probably more powerful than what I consumed unknowingly. Don’t go to parties where there are people taking drugs. You could end up in a casket.
Geez are u ok? Milk and bananas are pretty dangerous its lucky you made it home alive 🙄 worst anti-drug story ever... i dont think anyone has ever died from lsd 😅
You are the oldest talking chimpanzee on the planet.
so true. Even people passing stuff around is hard to resist, they insist you "try it"
I respect Dr. Grande's analysis but I am wondering, too, if they were given something unnknowingly or if they were used as guinea pigs, never thinking it would result in death. Whatever happened there, I don't think the full truth will ever be told by Jordan Willis. The witnesses are deceased so he can slant the story any way he wants to take the heat off himself. Too many unanswered questions. Even if these guys took the drugs willingly, the source of the drugs needs to be found.
These guys have a history of using drugs. Seems more likely they knowingly took coke.
Drugs dont discriminate. There are plenty of "good people" who have been lost to laced drugs.
Very true, my son did!!
Sad but very true.
Sad to hear that, very sorry about this. @@user-xt4wf3fs6e
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My definition of "good" does not include being a criminal. Using illegal substances is a crime.
Drunks falling asleep in freezing weather....
What possibly could have happened 😮
Such a mystery
Ive literally gone 3 days without seeing my backyard while i was home. I took my dog out front and i have blinds/curtains.
But what about the cars in the driveway?
or a dog door and the dog doesn't need an owner to let them out.
@@Judi4Him4Ever Everyone was on the piss so they got ubers home, they are wiped out for 2 days as well, I've had friends cars for days at my old place. I'd be more worried if the cars weren't there.
Dr. Grande,
When I went to detox, I told them about my fet use. They told me i tested positive for cocaine and i never even did cocaine. Thats when they told me that cocaine is often added to the fet.
Its not as common that fet would be added to cocaine. Usually its the way I stayed above. But now-a-days, who knows.
Ive been sober from opiates for years and im so thankful I made it out alive. We do recover ❤
Just a total stranger here, but I'm really proud you made the decision to get clean.
So it is a Speedball then, i see.
I took care of this super buff 80 year old man in the hospital. His tox came back with meth in addition to the cocaine he says he takes. He was so pissed he wanted us to let him go beat up his dealer for cutting his stuff. Apparently he paid extra to get pure. 🤷 (We did not let him to "get" his dealer, needed to finish his antibiotics first lol)
Amen
I’m glad you are sober. Keep up the good fight.
Simpsons said it first.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems."
--Homer J. Simpson
If it's Yellow & Clear.....You've got Juice there Fella
If it's Tangy & Brown....Your in Cider town
-Ned Flanders.
D'oh!!!
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Why TWICE, DUMMY????
Remember----Alcohol IS Legal!
I LOVE how Dr. Grande's eyes get shifty when he says "situation like this" its endearing and I don't know why! 😆💖
I like how the Dr. does not diagnose anyone, but just speculates on what may be going on here.
@@laurenurban3942 Exactly!
Or ?
Since I started to notice the look, I have never missed it whenever I watch any of his videos!
Our family knows a fentanyl addict: he is/was an oral surgeon. He was caught watering down dosages given to his patients for his own personal recreational use. He lost his license and is facing some legal issues both civil and criminal.
So sad and the poor patients
As a drug addict, I gotta say that your description of drug addiction as the "greatest romantic tragedy possible" is spot on. Most people who aren't addicted can't understand this, but to the addict, the drug is literally the greatest thing imaginable. That's why so many people end up dead.
That, and as an opiate/opioid addict… the scariest thing is looming withdrawals. We stay in the addiction because the alternative is terrifying.
For anyone wanting to get clean… talk to your Dr. about the Burnese method with Suboxone.
They look functional ASF bro. They would've been fine the rest of their life if it wasn't for the laced fentanyl. Hardly a addiction problem here
"He just like me fr" Vibes lol
Agreed, my bff died of Meth use and I remember her saying, "Don't take this away from me, it's all I have!". She was in a bad relationship, on disability and I couldn't help her. You see, I used to be just like her, accept I saved myself and got away from any access or anyone using. I recognized where I was headed decided I wanted to live and do better. Some people just can't...
......did you not know, or not even have a remote inkling, that taking illegal substances could lead to serious health issues, possible addiction, and possible death before you did it the the very 1st time?.....so......why did you do it the very 1st time?
I have a loud fan running in my room all year long. I live in a cold climate. I need the noise to sleep. I just point it away from the bed when its too cold.
Why not just play a video on your phone about a loud fan
Not the same. There's always a weird static on the phone. I only use the phone on trips where I can't bring a fan. I've also bought a fan on one trip because it was actually hot with no air conditioning. (Damn you California coast hotels.) Double bonus!
I fell asleep one night while looking at the stars in 20° weather. A violent shiver woke me up. I've always heard that shivering is your body generating heat with muscle movement. It seems to be multifunctional. Glad I didn't have a toxic sedative in me.
Did they move??? Or were you watching airplanes?
One strange thing about hypothermia is that people who succumb to it are often found naked. Once it has progressed the person actually begins to feel overheated and take off their clothes.
"Paradoxical undressing. Your brain interprets the extreme cold as feeling hot."
As an Australian the most surprising thing in this video is that Kansas City is in Missouri and not Kansas as I previously assumed.
There are 2 Kansas Citys. There is one in Kansas.
@@crtnyp The total driving distance from Kansas City, KS to Kansas City, MO is 3 miles or 5 kilometers.
@@diffrntlytwistd7442 yea I know. Im a truck driver. Went through there last about 20 years ago. Nice people
Kansas City is in BOTH states. Their is is Kansas City, Kansas; and a Kansas City, Missouri. The cities are less than 5 miles apart. Also, the history of the 2 cities is very interesting. The Kansas City chiefs (football) and Kansas City royals (baseball) both play in Missouri, about ten minutes from the Kansas state line.
@@crtnyp oops, that reply was meant for the Aussie, 'flashes chicken lights'
I truly don’t know if I could resist opioids once I started. I doubt it. I can barely stop myself from eating a cookie.
Never touch them! It´s not for us.
azulgaia, I was once given morphine in the hospital when I had a broken femur. (I was allergic to Demerol). Boy, I could sure see how people could become addicted. I was higher than a kite. I was floating. I was euphoric. They didnt give it to me again, ha,ha
And neither were you stupid enough to go looking for it illegally. @@Neilsowards
@@NeilsowardsI woke up in the middle of my knee surgery hallucinating an alien abduction, space ship, robots and all. The anesthecist came to see me the next day to talk about what went wrong and didn't want to reveal what they gave me because I seemed too fascinated (obviously ketamine).
@@annaf3915 You do know you can obtain your medical records at any time to see what they gave you? They’re your records and you have the right to them. You may have to pay a small amount but you can have them.
Thank you for treating the victims with respect.
So many people have zero respect for drug users/addicts and consider them worthless. It's shocking to me. I loved my brother through his addiction and it was our family's love that gave him a reason to fight to get clean. (That was a lifetime ago, he's a great man and wonderful father now.) No human being is trash, and the ones in a bad place deserve compassion.
@@adriel7229😊😅 😅 CDSs
@@adriel7229 agreed! As Dr. Gabor Mate once said, "You don't ask why the addiction, you ask, why the pain?"
As a worried mama of a 35 year old wonderful son who is terribly addicted to alcohol, when he cuts back, the withdrawls are horrendous. A couple of days after last Thanksgiving he signed himself into a 3 day detox. Since he doesn't live at home, I never know when or if he will pick it back up again. He's doing it alone with only the support of his wife. He doesn't go to AA either. He's afraid of failing and disappointing everyone, his reason for keeping his sobriety under the radar. As a tobacco addict, I get it. Today is my first day not smoking, only my daughter knows because she and I have talked about quitting and we both seperatley seen our doctors this week and asked for a prescription for the patches. She also got sober from alcohol a year and a half ago.
The druggies you mean. No one forced them.
If you aren't an addict be grateful!! It took me a long time to be okay but the damage is always there. I hope the surviving man does okay and heals mentally, physically and spiritually.
I'm not grateful that I am not an addict. I'm not an addict because I NEVER used an addictive substance. I'm not an addict because of my own choices. The only way to become an addict is to first become a criminal. You have to first break a law before you go on to become an addict.
@@irenerosenberg3609what a load of rot . Dumbest comment yet
@@benjaminc8789huh? Which part? Those of us that didn’t want to poison ourselves to get high, or find ourselves in jail just to get high, just didnt. Every time ive come to know an addict, it was clear they made bad decision upon bad decision.
@@supersubesI know addicts that started because of prescriptions their doctor gave them that they thought were safe. Babies can be born addicted. People can even be addicted to fully legal things like gambling and food.
@@mkuti-childress3625 Those are merely excuses in my mind.
This is such a logical, level headed explanation of the situation. As someone who’s lost most of my family to drugs, thank you for this.
Why is it weird that he had a fan on? I know it's winter, but they're indoors and I don't find it weird to have a fan on to circulate air and make white noise
Same
My husband sleeps with a fan on every night, no matter the weather.
I use a fan year round I need my white noise
I rarely get cold. My fans run all year round.
Every ceiling fan in my house is on 24/7/365. I don't find that odd at all.
Throwing this in, knowing others have too, we always keep our fans running!!
Definitely while sleeping.
@@carrieohioalways!! Even if it's cold outside.
Yeah it's the white noise, I understand that. This is a valid point
I was just laying here thinking, it's February and I still have my fan running especially when I sleep lol.
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You have a soothing voice, Dr Grande. Some of these murder mystery shows increase my anxiety but I know once I click on your channel I won't be startled by someone hollering.
An excellent and accurate point / benefit to the good Doctor’s content 😊
I genuinely love these videos and find them entertaining but I also will choose to fall asleep to them for the same reason! His voice is extremely soothing! Dr. Grande, you should read scary bedtime stories and then psychoanalyze the characters!
JUST THE SUPER LOUD COMMERCIALS, THOUGH!!!
I fall asleep to Dr. G's vids almost every night. I'm thankful he doesn't use any body cam, news, etc. footage (or if he does, there's no sound). Also, there's no music, which is invariably louder.
Wow. I shot heroin for 20 years, 6 1/2 years clean now; your description of addiction at the end of the video was perfect.
I never quite heard the definition of drug addiction explained like this. You are one hundred percent correct that is exactly how it is. Thanks doctor grande
I have tinnitus and always keep a fan running at night regardless of season. In a completely silent room you can’t ignore the ringing and it’s difficult to fall asleep.
How tragic. Supposedly this guy’s nickname was the chemist. I agree with your analysis. I hope that Jordan takes this lesson to heart and no longer puts himself in such dangerous situations
i have 'white noise' fan running in my bedroom 24/7.
my son is constantly playing computer games late at night.
the fan drowns it out.
it's not crazy to run a fan.
I run my a/c everynight for 35 years. Even now, 25 degrees out, on " fan" mod AND headphones with binaural beats or brown noise. . Its the best way to sleep.
Fan?? You’re waisting juice. PLENTY of sound tracks do that.
@@traybern nope, not good enough, plus air circulation. Hardly costs anything. It's not wasting** if it's worth it to me. :)
@@karenlevine8076 You NEVER SAID “air circulation”, DUMBBELL!!!
@@traybern that's what PLUS means, DUH. Enjoy your day. Really don't have to justify my sleep habits to anyone LMAO
I use a loud fan year round because I need the sound to drown out my tinnitus which keeps me awake at night. I also know many people who sleep with fans going regardless of the time of year. I don't think that's a great argument. As always, excellent analysis!
My Mom has tinnitus and used to have a hard time sleeping. Last month, she got these headphones from Amazon made for sleeping. It's like a cozy headband with flat earphones connected on the ear part that you can't feel. So when you roll over you don't notice they are there! She connects it to her Bluetooth and listens to relaxing sounds so she can sleep.
I figured I would let you know, bc I know how annoying tinnitus is and these headphones seem to work great for her and I think she only spent like $15 on them.
But I don't have tinnitus, and I'm a fan noise sleeper myself lol
Please note, these can mess with your smoke alarms.
I’m glad to know other people use white noise to cover up the sound of their tinnitus. Mine can become very loud if I’m anxious or worried about something.
@@TeaSpiracy Thank you for the information about the ear phones your mother uses for tinnitus. I have it and nothing seems to help. I’ll get on Amazon and see about ordering them.
@@terryKessler42719 Awesome! I'm so glad to hear that and I hope they help you as much as they help her. 🙏 She can't sleep without then 😉
Spring, summer, winter and fall.. I CANNOT sleep without my ginormous, industrial fan running. 🤷🏼♀️
Same!
Yup. Me too!
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Only way to block out the damn noisy neighbors!
Same here
I always sleep with my ceiling fan on at night.
The deceased have to take responsibility for their actions. They took the drugs. Nobody forced them down their throats. It's very sad. When you play with fire, eventually it will burn you.
Yes, the deceased should face charges....
@@atticstatticit doesn't really look like anyone will be facing charges
They don't have to do anything, they're dead. The living on the other hand do need to come to terms with the reality of loved ones not being saints.
It's currently 66 degrees inside my house and I have a fan on full blast in my room. I'm a very light sleeper and have used a fan for years to block out noise.
Your take on addiction brought tears to my eyes, it hit so close to home, and was so spot on. I didn't realize what a death grip alcohol had on me until I became sober in 2009.
So glad to hear your sober, God's blessings to you and your family 🙏❤️😊
the victims families are in denial along with most overdoses...and denial is not a river in egypt...
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Druggies hang out with druggies…that’s all I’m gonna say.
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Multiple sources have reported that David Harrington was arrested in Colorado in 2011 for possession of a Schedule 11 Controlled Substance. Clayton McGeeney held current Pharmacist Credentials as reported by news sources.
As someone with a roommate who sleeps for days at a time due to drugs/hangover often on the couch and never goes outside I can completely see how he'd fail to notice I was dead outside.
Yeah that happens all the time when a loved one dies ignominiously. Their families don't want to face that so they try to find an outside aggressor
Everybody knows denial is a river in Mexico.
There was a report that his dog(s) were staying elsewhere.
At Jordan's father's house.
But the other witness said that was untrue. 🤷🏻♀️
Maybe there’s a doggy door
@@ProctorsGamble no need to speculate there is clearly one in the picture.
God, the POOR DOG! He was just planning to let the thing not go out or bed fed till whenever tf he decided to "wake up" after passing out for days on end?? So cruel.
My brother is an alcoholic. He fights as best he can. He once said to me “you don’t understand the power of addiction...it torments you day and night”
When I was in rehab for alcohol I had a lot of time to think. I knew if I continued to drink I would end up in jail, the nut house or the morgue. The truth is, if I could have kept drinking and been found dead in a day, week, year with people saying I didn't know she was still drinking I would have kept on drinking. I knew myself well enough to know that I would end up in jail or the nut house before I ended up in the morgue. I was raised Catholic so suicide wasn't an option. Neither the jail nor the nut house were acceptable either so I had to get sober. It took a lot of time and counseling to find out why I had preferred the morgue.
So dont try it in the first place. Why do people think they will be the one person who doesn't get hooked....
My deceased son said the same thing. In rehab, all he thought about was getting drunk when he got out. He died 4 years ago 22nd of this month.
@@MsKazartI’m sorry for your loss
@@robinantonio8870there was a commercial on TV when I was a kid, of a cop chasing a guy and the narrator said "Nobody ever says I wanna be a junkie when I grow up". As an adult I see that it means nobody thinks they're gonna get caught up... like nobody thinks to themselves..Im pretty weak I better not ever try that stuff. Lol
"Frozen In Time"?
That's cold Dr Grande...prrrrretty cold.
Well you know he has to get in his dry humor. It’s the reason I watch his channel.
Remember if you do a drug everything that happens is your fault unless you're a woman who just stabbed her boyfriend 108 times then it's the drugs fault
Good point
Dogs werent there. They all prob had fent, owner just was warm and slept it off
Seems to me that's what happened. Dr Grande has a hard time believing it but Dr Grande probably hasn't stayed up drinking and doing coke with his friends all night that's a good two or three day sleep lol.
The 5th person who left the party @midnight claimed a dog was present.
@@flowerchild89 I heard his dogs were with his father
@@flowerchild89 I'm telling you from experience these dudes are middle-aged partying like they're in their twenties hard night of drinking and Coke the next few days you're probably not going to notice dead people at your house you might occasionally get out of bed wander to the bathroom piss and wander back to your bed possibly right past one of your dead friends. We're talking 3 to 4 Day hangover
I heard that his dogs were elsewhere when all the partying was going on. Perhaps he does that when he party’s hard because he knows he’ll be passed out for a day or so and can’t take care of the dogs himself.
You stop shivering after your body temp gets low enough. Often times, the individual stops feeling cold starts to feel hot and then undresses which quickens the temperature loss
Your comments on the nature of addiction were eloquent and insightful. And so true.
Your analysis of drug abuse is spot on. I am familiar with addiction. Your viewpoint nailed it in regards to the most tragic love affair ever. Addicts know the danger. That’s part of the rush. Many make excuses for it…..others don’t want to think about it. And the rest know absolutely what they are willingly doing.
Just a thought, Jordan woke up by the police knocking. They have a special way of getting one's attention even with the fan running. He may have staggered to the kitchen or bathroom, but wasn't sober yet.
Oh yes, the "cop knock".
Yes, I was a police officer for 30 years. We know how to knock on the door. We can wake up the whole neighborhood.
I imagine police knocking is particularly loud after 3 dead bodies have been found on the property.
Lol whenever I knock on a door it's almost like when I call and hope for the answering machine 😂 I just know I'm not knocking loud enoughl
Somehow, the Chiefs winning the super bowl eerily informs the tragedy of this case; they would have enjoyed the victory of their team so much. 😢
I don’t know how anyone can watch anything while hammered on alcohol and drugs.
@@laurenurban3942 A lot of sports fans drink while watching events; the drugs may have come in after the game. 🏈🍺💊
@@laurenurban3942 A lot of sports fans drink while watching events; the drugs may have come in after the game. 🏈🍺💊
Interesting timing on this video for sure, only the day after
@@laurenurban3942it just intensifies the moment. Especially cocaine, id imagine
Wow Dr.Grande, your closing thoughts on this case. So deep and well said
Best description of drug addiction I have ever heard.
Some years ago a kid I went to school with on longisland , moved not too far away. He lived with his girlfriend and their 8 month old daughter. While home one night dad and baby downstairs , girlfriend upstairs , dad ODs off what I was told was meth , girl upstairs does the same . Baby lived for a couple days , but then died as well. Neighbors finally checked in on them , a little too late. Sleep in peace guys , hope anyone fighting addiction, finds their way out ❤️
How terrible for the baby.
Very sober description of addiction Dr Grande.
I was given medical fentanyl for a procedure. Everything went well till it started to wear off.
I never want to feel that way again and I never want to be given that drug again.
I e never heard anyone describe addiction so well. I'm 7 years clean now and in EMS trying to give back ... People on drugs will do what he did. Easy. Sleep two days and not open any blinds, or maybe even get out of bed.
The description of the feeling/consequences of the drug Dr. Grande gives at the end is the most accurate I’ve ever heard. It seemingly gives you everything but always ends taking everything. Freedom, family, even life. It’s so important to get help before that happens.
No, it is not important to get help after you're an addict. It is important to not become one in the first place.
Oh Dr. Grande, your final comments on addiction and the harsh reality therein nearly brought a tear to my eye. You are a very talented man, with a lot of experience and wisdom. Thank you for this video and everything you do! You are a gem:)
Wow, everything you said there at the end, Dr. Grande, is very deep, heavy and succinct. Powerful, indeed. That summed up the life of a drug user perfectly. I have never heard it stated like this.
My husband died from an overdose. And he was the best, most kind person I have ever met in my life. Everyday I try to find answers as to why this happened to him
Not to sound callus but probably because he did the wrong drug and too high of a dose. If you mean why did God let this happen to him? It's just how mortality goes. I wouldn't spend too much time searching for answers unless it's about justice and focus on doing better everyday as he would want you to do if he was a good man.
Sorry for your loss 😢 x
@@Wilhelm4131 You do sound callus and you aren't emotionally attached to this lady.
So unless you have this lady's life experience...
Kindly be quiet.
As to why there was a loud fan on during the winter Dr Grande, it's probably for the white noise; a common sleeping aid for tintinitis suffers.
Sounds to me like Guy number five was just there briefly to drop off the drugs and then took off. A highly skilled scientist would not concoct a low quality batch of drugs!!
Especially, if he planned on taking the stuff himself. Someone definitely brought it over to the house. And they were drinking. They could have gotten a hot flash after doing the coke and went outside to cool off and they fell where they passed out. One guy immediately went over to sit in a lawn chair. The other two, we’re standing at the time.
One report said Jordan was known by friends as "the chemist" and always mixed up specialty batches of drugs for them. Maybe this time he made a fatal error 🤔
@@deniseandrews113 no that’s gossip from high school. That’s completely unreliable.
@sunnygirl9691 How do you know what's completely unreliable?His cousin gave an on-camera interview and said exactly what I wrote.
@@deniseandrews113 His cousin didn’t actually know Jordan Willis. He was spewing gossip. I’ve seen the same interviews.
I am sad for the men. It breaks my heart.
I can't believe no neighbors saw them out one of their upstairs windows
Dr. Grande, I enjoy your videos, but this one is extremely informative. Thank you!
but???? You DOPE!!!!!
This is so beyond sad. Thank you for talking about maladaptive behavior. You are very much correct on that.
First, love your channel Dr. Grande. This is exactly what I said when it first happened, "stoned in the snow" that is the answer. Family members want to accuse and point fingers at others because that is what codependent relatives of addicts do, they protect the addict and blame everyone else. The guests were watching the game, partaking in legal and illegal activities, they probably were so out of it they thought they were going out front to their cars and instead went to the back in confusion. Now as far as blaming the homeowner for not seeing and knowing... he was stoned too! Later, it makes sense to me because during a snow storm we close all the drapes, turn up the heat, open the cabinets for the pipes, put on TV and hunker down. We don't go looking in the back yard or wondering about the cars in the street... The homeowner was probably too stoned to let the dog out. Days go by, I don't answer the door to people I don't know, I check the camera and if I'm not dressed, and I don't want to socialize, I ignore the doorbell. Am I the only one that does that? People need to call first. The cops show up, yes I will answer that door! I feel that they were all druggies and had no idea the consequences of the fentanyl, like so many others that have met the same demise, and family members will need to come to terms with that fact so they can have peace.
Reportedly, he sent the dogs to his dad’s house for the weekend. Supposedly, his dad took care of his dogs often. (If he was often using drugs, that makes sense.)
They probably went out back to do some without the guy inside.
All 3? the drug hit them that hard at the same exact time? the 3 minutes it takes to get to your car?
and why were they in the back? all 3 didn't even know where they were going.
I don't do those types of drugs, so screw it, i guess that's what happened
@@jefferyepstein9210 THAT makes sense.
@@markmike7933 Fentanyl hits fast
This is such a sad situation for everyone involved.
I remember seeing this in my news feed the day it was originally reported on, the causes of death had yet to be determined. I had thought to myself, "sounds like fentanyl". I had a cousin who had been both a heroin addict and an alcoholic. After 15+ years of battling his addiction with 3 tries at half-way counseling/lockup he took his life with fentanyl just over 3 years ago. He had the discipline to go to the gym daily and exercise for 2 hrs (he was in incredible shape, physically) but not to stay clean. The path of destruction that opioids, either natural or synthetic, are cutting through westernized nations is horrific. It's not just the loss of life but the scars that it's inflicting on the loved ones left alone, wondering "why?" that are so tragic. Thank you Doctor for your thoughtful and well meaning video.
Is it possible that Taylor Swift is involved in this?
She was there with Kelsey Grammer.
Lol
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@@nebraskafrankcourtnythat’s Dr. Fraiser Winslow Crane to you
I heard she dated a guy who's cousin works at a gas station and that guy sold cigarettes to a really close friend of one of the guys who died. So yeah. She basically did it. Allegedly 😉
Your analysis is spot on as per usual. As a tecovering addict of just about every drug there is, I could not have articulated this better myself.
Btw, my 15 yr old son is now a huge fan of yours and watches your videos on the bus to school. He said he's learnt more from watchhing your analyses than he has from 3 years of high school (lol). He says you should get a T.V. show and you'd be as famous as Dr Phil. (I know you're personally not a huge fan of his).
Sending thanks and hugs from Down Under.
It snowed about 5-7 inches on January 8-9th in Kansas city.
So hard to find the origjns of illegal drugs. Any steeet drugs are dangerous. Great points as usual. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🧡
@@WordsBloomwhat even was the point of this comment??
@@WordsBloom Thx but I'm talking drug dealers etc haha
@@WordsBloomThey took out the book of Enoch. To me that book fills some gaps.
@@WordsBloom If u believe in him I suppose. Drugs are a nationwide issue, whether satan involved or not lol. Drugs are bad either way. People today are ignorant of what they are laced with.
you make the case as any logical thinking mind would. the govt should offer all drugs free of contaminants at a cost of production price. put the crime out of business.
I like how you put the responsibility on the individual abusing illegal drugs. You state the facts of the euphoria they experience but hold them to account for pursuing the high even though they are fully aware of the danger.
Excellent video Dr. Grande 👍
You should let your friends snort the white powder first and wait 30mins before trying it yourself or DON’T DO DRUGS 😵😮💨
Here's the thing. Drug use is different from drug addiction. These people were probably recreational drug users who were just having a good time at a party. Like most recreational drug users, these people were contributing members of society. Our society needs to accept that many doctors, teachers, insert respected profession here, use drugs recreationally. This is not an immoral or uncommon pastime but one that has been with humanity almost as long as we have been human. This was almost certainly a case where drug prohibition caused these men's deaths because with regulation comes safety for everyone involved in the drug trade from producers to users. These men were probably not aware they were consuming fentanyl unless they were purposefully speedballing, but even if they were aware, overconsumption can still happen. Overdose mixed with the cold temperatures caused these deaths, and no one should be held criminally liable.
If regulation leads to safety for everyone, why do people still die using prescribed medication?
@MimiRAM0NE like i said, "overconsumption can still happen," but overall, the entire system is safer when legal and regulated because the drugs aren't tainted. Since they are readily available from regulated distributors who have to track where everything is coming from and there has to be quality control, things are safer. People will still make mistakes. People still drink themselves to death, whether from overdose, hypothermia, or some other accident, but the majority of people who use alcohol do so responsibly. As a society, we don't have a problem understanding this. We have an analog with what happened during alcohol prohibition where people were making bathtub gin that was actually not consumable, or the government was poisoning industrial alcohol to keep people from drinking it and these things killed a significant amount of the population. Now that liquor is legal, when you go to the store and buy a bottle of gin, you know it's ethanol. Knowing exactly what you're consuming adds more safety.
If you need to use illegal drugs to have a good time, you would be much better off spending your time and money on professional counselling than on committing criminal acts.
@irenerosenberg3609 No. If you want to use any drug when you are relaxing and having a good time, there is nothing necessarily wrong with it or you. If you are a person who is responsible and contributes to society in a positive way, the use of drugs does not automatically mean you need therapy. In these situations, there is no addictive or maladaptive behavior associated with drug use. And going back to prohibition, acts are only considered criminal until they are legalized. Maybe you think everyone who goes to a football game or dinner and has a few beers would be better off spending that time and money on therapy. That doesn't sound like a world most of us would want to live in, but if it's how you want to spend your time and money, then go for it. Drug prohibition creates a problem in our society and then blames us for it.
@@aeropsia There are so many ways to have a good time other than taking drugs, legal or illegal. Playing card games, hiking, good conversation, making a good gourmet meal with your friends, watching a movie together, there’s so many ways to have a good time other than taking drugs.
Thank you for your thoughts on drug and Alkohol abuse. You are so right. It touched me very deep.
I’ve been waiting on this one!
I have a couch in my bedroom.
I think your analysis is spot on.
The most poignant part is they missed the SB win...
Dr. Grande, ur description of Drug Addiction was 💯 % accurate! Next month, on 3/4/24 will mark 8 yrs clean & sober for me. Thank you for sharing ur channel with us! 😀👍
We appreciate your insights, Dr Grande. You'll always have our support.
This is some True Detective season 4 type stuff
Its the white noise of the fan that helps some people sleep sounder, I myself being one of them!
Thank you for the great content Dr. Grande
Like 99% of the case presented here, the victims are responsible for their own deaths. The pattern is not paying attention to what should be clearly dangerous, or just plain bad judgement. Three at one time is a bit unusual.
I have a sleep disorder, adhd and ptsd. Depression. Anxiety.
I can safely tell you that I wouldn’t notice cars on my street or a dead body in my back yard. I have a doggy door. I also don’t get out of bed to answer the door.
Thank you for your Analysis on this situation. Please keep us updated if any new information is reported. 👍
That was very poetically said, Dr. G.
The guy renting the house mustve been on a bender...
I got home from a Christmas party at 11:30pm Friday night, and woke up Sunday afternoon at 2:30 pm. Only lots of booze and weed.
Excellent analysis on addiction, perhaps the best I've heard. Thank you
Thanks, Dr. Grande. You are the voice of reason!!
Thanks for sharing
Awesome!! Thank you so much!! A amazing way to start my work day!!
Excellent anayses as usual Dr Grande.
Thanks Dr. Grande for your material and special for your thoughts.
Shoutout to those 60 and above: doing dope now is not fun like it was when we were young and stupid. It's all so serious now and the majority of people involved in it are such heartless creeps. There was still a degree of naivete and honesty when we were doing dope but that's all gone now. Too many bad people involved and there is no casual recreational drug use like there was when we were teens and 20s.
Dr Grande you’re on a roll 😎
You bring up a lot of good questions Doc.
Thank you. The wisdom you share is priceless.
I almost completely disagree with your assertion that "users know the risks" Most do not. They tend to know it after they are addicted, but they do not know the first time or the first few times. Most people are extremely bad at assessing risk of any kind.
i think users know the risks, but don't believe it'll happen to them. Then after surviving the first hit, don't care anymore 💫
@@diffrntlytwistd7442 I mostly agree with you. I would say though that people's ability to assess risk is very poor. That is why they think it won't happen.