Financial adviser here, cars are very very rarely an investment, yes, classics can go up in value, but after storage, repair, maintenance, restoration, parts, insurance, tax etc etc you rarely break even let alone make more money than if you’d just put the money in the markets over that time. Obviously this can happen but it’s rare, so don’t go into it to make money, go into it to buy a car you love and gives you enjoyment! Financial adviser with classic cars.
I’ve had 3 go up but I bought very well. A 1977 targa I bought in 1998 for £5600 is now worth £40000. A boxster 987.2 I purchased in 2022 for £7500 is £12000. My gemballa 700 cayenne I bought without paperwork but got it verified after I paid £37,000 in 2019 ; it’s now valued at £50,000 by Sothebys(although these don’t sell!).
I once owned a Peugeot 406 coupe 2.2hdi, in hyperion blue. What is great about this car is that, underneath the sleek bodywork, it's just a bog-standard 406 saloon, with a few tweaks here, and there - multi-link rear suspension, is the most obvious one! Thus, as you mentioned, the running and servicing costs are modest, compared to bespoke sports/sporting cars. And, it came with a cassette deck and 6-disc multi-changer - important, in their day!
Great to see the 406 coupe mentioned. I have 7 of these v6 manuals in my collection and they are brilliant cars. I have sold two of these previously for £5000 plus so prices are definitely on the rise. Great looking, great to drive, great performance and bullet proof reliability. They also hold their own when parked next to my Ferraris. Great videos too keep up the good work. 👍
My parents had a Rioja Red P38 4.0. After 205,000 miles it decided to blow its suspension compressor on the way to Manchester Airport, very loud. Drive back was not comfortable. I cried the day it went to the scrapyard, and I was 15. Genuinely lovely cars. P696 YVL RIP 🙏 he also had a Cougar too, which was fucking dire.
Porsche Boxter 986 - the original one. Still cheap, prices rising and IMS bearing issues now accepted as not being a problem for over 90% of cars. Great engine, handling and looks.
Yes , My mate bought an early boxster s and when I went out for a drive I was very surprised at how well the thing handled and accelerated..... I had 0 previous porsche experience prior to this but nevertheless very good sports cars
My list would be : Toyota Mr2 mk2 ( preferably a revision 3 turbo ) , Mini Cooper R53 John Cooper Works, Fiat Couoe Turbo, Renault Megane 225 Turbo. Renault Clio 172 or 182 , Mercedes SLK 171. VW Scirocco R.
If there is ever a car you won’t lose money on and is definitely a classic, it’s a Honda S2000, granted you won’t find a decent one for less than 10K anymore but a brilliant iconic car.
Yeah... probably one of if not thee soundest investments on this list. Its BMW Glorious bulletproof straight 6 good looks BMW in my opinion manage to tick so many boxes for owner satisfaction
I brought my first Modern classic last year a 1988 Mercedes W124 230E saloon and I adore it. I've always loved 80s/mid 90s Era of Mercedes amazing build quality more in the 80s i have a 2007 Mercedes C220CDi and it's a great car never let me down but the W124 makes me smile when I get behind that big steering wheel.
The 406 Coupé is a real beauty and definitely a future classic. I'd go for the first generation TT roadster instead of the 80 Cabriolet, they are more iconic and might rise in value quicker. The E-Class convertible is already no longer a cheap modern classic. I wish I could buy a 944 that cheap here in Germany, that would be my first choice.
For the 406 Coupe, there's also a 2.2 Petrol. The line up was 2.0 Petrol, 2.2 Petrol, 2.2 HDI and 3.0L V6 Petrol (in 2 separate guises, the later model was handed to Porsche to 'tweak' resulting in an increase from 194bhp > 210bhp). Regardless of the engine, they are indeed beautiful and comfortable cars.
I have a big soft spot for the 406 Coupe. The thing about the Celica is that it was launched in 1999, which is amazing given how sharp it still looks. The engine is apparently built by Yamaha, so it's actually a four-wheel motorcycle, and it apparently loves to rev. The 944 has come down a lot, they were north of £5k for a project and at least £10+k for a nice one not too long ago
For a couple of left field classics, how about an Alfa Romeo 166, or even a 156 GTA. I like the idea of a Saab though, now a classic design and very well engineered.
Thanks for another awesome classics video! I own a 1990 Saab 900 3door hatchback. Absolutely love the car. Built as a tank, sounds great, fun to drive, unique recognisable silhouette, huge boot, so plenty practical, and overall a super cool classic in my opinion.
Biggest problem with all these cars shown especially the big engine models is TAX. The government doesn't want us to buy or drive them and VED will only get more and more expensive for these type of car's....In time they will scrap the 40 year classic rule
700 sheets for a range these days ....... Looking to spunk upto 10K on a v8 merc for fun days but because of this its trade plate it or tax only the weekends ill use it . That should never need to be like this .
With most big stuff, the road tax is the least of your worries! If you can’t find £700 to tax a car then buy an eco box, because you sure as hell can’t afford the running costs of an old classic. Sorry
@@Heartofaloin meh, it is what it is mate, not the end of the world. If you’re moaning about it, but something else. Classics in general are a money pit end of, you have to pay to play. I don’t moan when I fill my classic Range Rover up that does 12 to the gallon, after spending double what it’s worth on a restoration, I don’t moan because I love it and that’s the price of the enjoyment I get from it.
I've owned 3 cars on your list but my favourite was the 406 coupe 3l V6. Still wish I hadn't sold it. Comfortable, quite quick and a beautiful thing. And notably, very reliable for a French car. Had it from new for 16 years without an issue.
I had one. Sadly, I had to change to a company car, but at least it was a Citroen Xantia, that was a fantastic car, but nowhere on the looks beautiful as a 406 Coupé. I think the Xantia is a very undervalued car. One of the best gearboxes prior to the DSG boxes.
I bought a 2005 Celica last month and I'm really enjoying it. A lot of these have been very questionably modified but I managed to find a well maintained and unmodified example with no rust. I had to pay a bit more for it but I think it was worth it.
Thumbs up for the Peugeot 406 Coupe! I had one for 17yrs and only had to sell it because I needed rear doors and it wasn't ULEZ compliant. The interior was a bit dated, but it was painfully beautiful outside! I ended up getting a Audi A5 sportback (b9) which has the coupe lines but is more practical.
Nice bit of fun, some long forgotten models, loved the Saab, very distinctive design for both the 900 and 93. As the old saying goes, its fine buying the car, you have to run it and there is the problem with a lot of the choices. Top end stuff will need specialist or dealer maintenance and paperwork to keep it's provenance and to protect the future selling price. Then there's the UK road tax system.......
The Audi 80! Story time, gather round. My grandparents had an Audi 80 convertible in that British racing green colour, LXI 8080 was the reg, they had it for a while and then drove it all the way down to their little holiday home in Cyprus. They kept it for a few years and sold it to a restaurant owner down the street for £2000. This was in the 90s/early 00s before I was born, and yet that same restaurant owner still talks about that car to this day. Hope that was interesting 😂
I lived in Cyprus '91-'95 and at that time all cars had 100% tax on them(so a car valued at £4000c would cost you £8000c, this is a car which would cost roughly £1000 in the UK)but I'm guessing that things have changed since it became an EU member
Great selection! I have saloon versions of two of the convertibles on your list: a Mercedes W124 in V8 guise, a 1995 E420 with under 30,000 miles, and - just acquired last week - a Saab 9-3 2.8 V6 Turbo Aero. The Mercedes is my third, the Saab my second after a very long gap.
The Audi 80 convertible was indeed owned by Princess Diana. I know this as I pulled up alongside her in a navy blue one near Earls Court. 30 years later, I’m so glad I resisted the urge to wave and smile! Classy lady in a classy car.
Fiat 20V Turbo Coupe? Volvo S60R? Focus ST500? All sub 10k. Must say do really fancy a 944, great looking classic! Great video Matt, think it’s a good place to put your money at the moment as wouldn’t trust banks or govt! Practical classic videos would be great 👍
There was a 2000/01 Range Rover P38 Holland and Holland left abandoned in my local supermarket car park. The car was sitting there for 3/4 months before the tax ran out. Eventually the DVLA clamped it and a few weeks later it's been lifted. It's now sitting in the local compound and it'll either be scrapped or if they have sense it'll goto auction. It even had the original drinks cabinet in the boot
@roberthaydock2340 no idea. Didn't really get a chance to look more closely into it. But I have now found out where it's being stored. So keeping an eye on local car auctions to see if it'll come up for sale at some point
@stevenearly4284 I looked at one locally, guy was looking for 5.5k (not the best example) - the interior is all wood & sumptuous leather. I reckon they're worth a punt on being the shooting fraternity worldwide, would surely love a bit of authenticity & class as what these cars are.... let me know if you snap her up!
Agree with all you say. In particular the Merc E - also the coupe (would be my favourite) and Saab. Where I live (Austria) its very challenging to get parts.
Really miss mine was a fun car that , had a few other Fords ..Xr2 Mk1 and 2, Mk4 Xr3i and Rs Turbo, St170 and it was a minter and still is (sold it 10 years ago and still local) i would buy that back if i could. Also "had" a very nice Z4 2.5iS that i swapped plus cash my way for the ST2 Focus...so many other cars i should of kept over the years but its been a fun ride
@@sportshatch I certainly have, I had a 240 GLT estate for a few years and it certainly had traditional volvo qualities (not a sports car) Boxy but good as Dudley Moore said in that film
Glad to see e85 BMW Z4 on the list. I have 3.0Si in a great spec (manual, heated sports seats, xenons, cruise etc.). The winning formula of great naturally aspirated engine, soft (not folding hard) top, manual not auto. Enough comfort and safety features to make it modern, but still simple and fairly light. Boot takes more stuff than you’d think. Doesn’t drive quite as well as a Boxster but is half the price and that straight six sounds glorious!
Matt, you make me laugh sometimes, 'oh, I should just buy one'. Brilliant. The oil consuming cars reminds of a friend who would pull into the garage and say 'fill up the oil and check the fuel'.
Most 1990’s Mercedes are a great buy and are increasingly rare, notably, the 190E’s and E-Classes. I’d happily give one of my testicles for a good E320 Cabriolet, specifically in dark blue with the ivory leather interior and 8 hole alloy wheels. The P38’s are absolutely 100% a good buy. The were not all that well received originally and when the L322 was launched, given the title of the worst Range Rover ever. While some of that may be true, the few that are left are worth buying and saving.
I think the better Peugeot to put your money in is the RCZ. A few still under £3000, and the petrol 200hp is a great car to drive and will return over 40 mpg.
Had a 406c for 5 years. Great car to be honest. Done about 30k miles with it. 2.0 petrol. So comfortable for long trips. Nightmare to find body parts on the other hand.
Absolutely agree. Was going to say that. 2006-2009 as the previous shape not so nice rear end and rusty. Beautiful lines and built so solid. V6 diesel a great engine (the OM642). Defo think this will get more and more desirable.
The list: Peugot 406 BMW 728 Audi 80 convertible BMW Z4 Toyota Celica (my personal favorite from the list) Mercedes E-Class Convertible Land Rover Range Rover P38 Four Cougar Saab 900 Convertible / 9-3 Porsche 944
I have no idea why a top gear type show havnt come knocking you have a good personality very informative funny down to earth should have ur own show mate
Hi Matt My Classic choice is Jaguar S type 2006 Diesel automatic I have owned it for 18months with no issues.I took your advice and have done a gearbox service rear axle service and a timing belt. i have had no faults and it runs like clockwork it has just turned 70,000 miles. It has full service history and it cost me £4000. An absolute bargain Insurance is cheap £336.00 I tax the car for 6 months a year at a cost of £228.25. I get between 30 and 40 mpg dependent on the journey. A fabulous car the best Jaguar I have owned, I have owned an early E type flat floor a 3.8MK 2, Several XJ6 and Daimler 2.5 saloons. Best wishes Alan
Found your channel/vids a month ago and I have become a fan of your content. I think because we have the same taste in cars. I have a P38A 4.6L V8 and just bought a 2012 Supercharged 5.0L V8 Land Rover…haven’t taken ownership of the 2012 as of yet. Yes, those wheels are definitely Hurricanes on the P38 you looked at. I also have the Epsom green one. Have put a LOT of money into mine getting it all sorted.
An interesting selection of cars. I don't really trust cars much older than 10 years old, they rapidly accumulate problems because modern cars just aren't built to last, the only possible exception to that would be the Mercedes-Benz E-Class which really was built to last, until the accountants nearly destroyed the brand. I like the Saab 9-3, but I worry about the availability of Saab parts nowadays, but the Saab I really like is their last production model, the 9-5.
An interesting list. I like the Z4 idea : the 3.0 is a great engine, but the coupe is even more special and rare, but pricier. The Cougar definitely deserves respect : it's genuinely so much car for the money, and a 25 year Ford that mostly hasn't disintegrated. I saved one 3 years ago and it wasn't a difficult car to rejuvenate after 8 years laid up. However, the model was never a big deal at the time, so I doubt many will lust after them now.
matt i sold my granada 2.8 ghia x then bought the blue 406 coupe in the add that was mine before i got my E38 728i .guy worsley.My next move is 1999 Audi A8 2.8 in green Ronin car .ive not had a modern car in the last 15 years .
Another interesting video & I endorse the financial adviser on cars in general not being true investments. This is not the reason I wished to comment however. As a buyer for Land Rover Parts for 10 years spent between Unipart & Land Rover under Ford I witnessed the demand figures for the P38A spares. The feedback from dealers was frightening and what kept customers coming back was they simply loved the product. One lady I remember being told had been back to the dealer 21 times in the first year of ownership! I visited many suppliers. Two key points from those supplier interactions. The rear hatch leaks and getting supplies was a horror story since many failed in Solihull's final inspection wet test. Second and much more serious and also a consideration if damp gets in is the control module that is situated under the driver's seat. Parts are limited ( the chip within it ) and if a substitute is chosen (2nd hand ) it has to be coded to the vehicle. One reason I run a 1974 Classic two door. Plus it doesn't tell me stuff like 'put your seat belt on' which incidentally I do!!
Great video ! My problem is I don't have room to park a second car ! I can't even park outside my own semi as three of my neighbours have filled the street with three, four and five cars each because either their children still live at home or they have got to the age where they buy themselves the car they've always wanted...like a BMW Z4 ! I'd have that red Range Rover any day but I have someone here who won't let me !
Consider the MGF/MGTF. They can be had for nothing, parts are plentiful since they sold tons of them and they are the last of the line of MG roadsters. Only thing you have to watch out for is rust and head gasket issues and I'd go for the TF if you can since it looks sharper and you don't have to worry about the hydragas suspension.
Some lovely cars her Matt, no XJ I notice? :( I only have space for one car, so I'm still knocking about in my 06 Jag XJ Sovereign. I'd love to pop it in a garage and keep it pristine but that will have to wait til I win the lotto. Even then I think I'd have to buy a low mileage XJ to keep in a garage and just drive my high mileage one til they get taxed off the road. Nothing drives like my Jag.
Agreed. 2004-08 x350 sovereign. All aluminium so no rust although they can corrode in time. Also got to have good history. Pay about £5000-7000. I have been through 4 XJ’s 3 XF’s next was an F Pace now on an EPace. Just love the older Jaguar.
The X300 models are well worth buying now as well. Only just emerging from their banger years though, so be careful, but quite possibly the last 'real Jag due to it's styling, straight 6 engines and ride quality.
I think you’re spot on with the P38. I think maximum returns would come with any of the limited edition models, such as the Westminster, H&H, anniversary model. I’ve no doubt the single UK Linley model is worth a pretty penny. I think another to make this list would be an S2000, slightly over budget, but will hold money well.
Loved this video, I have had several 93’s and agree they are fab cars and bullet proof. I’m an Alfa nut though having had a Brera v6, 2 x 156’s, 3 x 916 Spiders and an s3 Spider so was disappointed none featured or my other love a Nissan 350/370z of which I’ve had 3 - one was actually featured in modern classic magazine. You’ve got me thinking of my 10 picks, so thanks👍
Have owned few and driven a number of Saabs over the years. The scuttle shake on the convertibles is like driving in a pram, so ride quality is poor comfirtable seats help but ,, . Mx5 and Honda 2000 would be my choice .
The Cougar, which was available in the U.S. too, was based on the Ford Contour, which was based the Ford Mondeo (clear as mud?). I had a 1998 Ford Contour Sport with the 2.5 V6. It was a great car, and sporty indeed. Even Consumer Reports, which seldom gushes about cars, called it "a BMW for half the price."
Try to look for 924S, ie post 1986 models with Porsche 2.5l engine (same as in early 944). They are generally cheaper, but offer the same experience. However, they are also going up in price slowly.
944, I would go the hardtop, but they came with a huge sunroof, that could tilt, or could be completely removed and stored in the boot. The turbo's fly. The later ones had a better looking front grill. Interesting video Matt, thanks.
Almost bought a midnight blue 3.0 for 5500 euros... still regret I chickened out. Got an almost new Saab cabrio instead, which I don't regret, still got it. 2010 model, with frosty taillights.
Ford Cougar is based off a Mondeo mk1. Share alot of parts. 2.5 v6 is a Porsche designed motor. Available in different states of tune. St24 / St200. Celica has a Elephant in the room. Regarding the Yamaha head. They can grenade, if not looked / serviced properly.
Morning Matt, I think we all can tell that you're definitely going to fix up all three of them ,and why not you can't help yourself because your a petrol head and you love doing this ,so keep up the good work...cheers Phil from Newark
Spot-on, some great choices there, I really like the Peugeot 406 and the to a lesser extent the Ford Cougar. I do like a coupe... A SAAB would be a good classic choice too. Keep up with the great content.
I went to view both Ford cougars shown your video the blue one & the 2.0. The blue cougar is total scrap looks better in the pictures & the 2.0 sold over a week ago. Thanks for this video really enjoyed it 👍👍
So, in my opinion the ten affordable modern classic cars that are recommended for purchase: BMW E46 3 Series Porsche Boxster (986) Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA/NB) Volkswagen Golf GTI Mk4 Ford Mustang SN95 Honda S2000 Audi TT Mk1 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Nissan 350Z Subaru WRX (Bugeye) These cars are highlighted for their balance of performance, style, and potential future value.
I've got a 1998 6th gen Toyota Celica 1.8 ST. It's done 111000 miles, everything works apart from the rear wiper. I paid £1800 for it in 2020 and I'm hoping prices will start to rose very soon. Am I being too hopeful?
Saab 95 Aero. Mine was tweaked a bit, (275 bhp, Eibach progressive springs & Bilstein shocks) Fast, comfortable car, excellent handling and surprisingly economical on a run! Only sold it because her indoors won’t drive manual!😡 Pick up a 1st (best!) Generation now before they all disappear….
Auto Trader & The TV series Wheelers Dealers Mike Brewster, endorses the early Audi Quattro TT MK1's 225bhp Bam (or 3.2 V6.) They are sure to become a popular classic as they are such a well made, all around great to drive & reliable car. Despite being a victim of their own success due to market saturation, there won't be many about in a few years time after the remainder get street raced & thrashed to death on track days! Since there are still so many decent examples around, prices for a pretty decent example start at about £1500. So I bought the BAM one recently for £900, FSH tidy no major faults apart from a cracked spring. I simply spent £300 on springs & 2 new tyres to pass the Mot with no advisories! How can they depreciate less than £1000? Some others I think you missed were the early Porche Boxters & SLK's, Mx5, BMW Z3, the later 1990s Mini Coopers & the MGB GTMk2 to name a few.
Good shout for the Ford Cougar, Peugeot 406 coupe and BMW Z4. Others worthy of a mention in my humble opinion are the Ford Focus cc convertible and Renault Mégane convertible especially as they can be bought dirt cheap.
I've owned a full spec 728i and i regret selling that car, unfortunately needed the money at the time. But consider the e38 as an investments and you will lose all your money 3x. Parts are NOT cheap, bushes and links are extremely expensive, engine drinks oil and needs a lot of care as all vanos from the time, electronics after 10 years (mine was at the time of seeling it) were already glitchy and needed attention, and mpg is ... well horrid 😅 that being said, i am currently looking into buying another one because it was the best all around car i ever had. Comfort spec seats are unmatched even by new 7 series, engine is quiet, it is lovely on the bends and while you do feel the need for at least 100 more hp, it doesn't push you to drive it hard to enjoy it, it is chill and relaxed
Im not sure why people like to buy old cars that where never good even at the time thinking there now because there old good when the cars they where worse then at the time also still exist 🤔. Regards these cars when they go up they may go up a bit there however going to cost alot to keep working so ur profit will be 0 even if they double in price. Just need to look at 80s or 90s mediocre cars there still not worth much especially when u pay to drive into towns now
Will I regret selling my SAAB 93 Carlsson [2400 mls] Having most SAAB models in the past and seeing the tremendous increase in value-especially the 96 bullnose two stroke,I am too old [at 90] to worry about investment.Mind you,keeping a favourite model to look at is a joy.I can just sit in the 95 estate,radio on as it is an extension of my home- I:m not senile!
There's so many you could add to this. Anything that's fast worth a ford badge. Saxo vtr/vts, clio 182, 1st gen audi s3, r53 mini cooper S, calibras, vectra gsi and supertourings. You really could fill a barn with it
Financial adviser here, cars are very very rarely an investment, yes, classics can go up in value, but after storage, repair, maintenance, restoration, parts, insurance, tax etc etc you rarely break even let alone make more money than if you’d just put the money in the markets over that time. Obviously this can happen but it’s rare, so don’t go into it to make money, go into it to buy a car you love and gives you enjoyment! Financial adviser with classic cars.
a sierra rs 500 ...half a million 😄😄24k new
Barely making any money on the markets either last 2.5 years!!
@@petersimpson7037A very (as he said) rare example.
I’ve had 3 go up but I bought very well. A 1977 targa I bought in 1998 for £5600 is now worth £40000. A boxster 987.2 I purchased in 2022 for £7500 is £12000. My gemballa 700 cayenne I bought without paperwork but got it verified after I paid £37,000 in 2019 ; it’s now valued at £50,000 by Sothebys(although these don’t sell!).
@@toyotahilux2 Standard and Poor 500 made 27.73% last year, 97.26% in last 5 years
Thanks to this channel I bought an 04 Z4 a couple of weeks ago. 78k on the clock Merlot red and 2.5l. Love it. Thanks Matt!
Nice work!
I once owned a Peugeot 406 coupe 2.2hdi, in hyperion blue. What is great about this car is that, underneath the sleek bodywork, it's just a bog-standard 406 saloon, with a few tweaks here, and there - multi-link rear suspension, is the most obvious one! Thus, as you mentioned, the running and servicing costs are modest, compared to bespoke sports/sporting cars. And, it came with a cassette deck and 6-disc multi-changer - important, in their day!
That 2.5 v6 is the mondeo ST24 engine. Absolutely loved owning this car was a great thing.
But if it was awful front wheel drive yuck I can not stand front wheel drive
Great to see the 406 coupe mentioned. I have 7 of these v6 manuals in my collection and they are brilliant cars. I have sold two of these previously for £5000 plus so prices are definitely on the rise. Great looking, great to drive, great performance and bullet proof reliability. They also hold their own when parked next to my Ferraris. Great videos too keep up the good work. 👍
My parents had a Rioja Red P38 4.0. After 205,000 miles it decided to blow its suspension compressor on the way to Manchester Airport, very loud. Drive back was not comfortable.
I cried the day it went to the scrapyard, and I was 15. Genuinely lovely cars.
P696 YVL RIP 🙏
he also had a Cougar too, which was fucking dire.
Ford Puma? 1997-2002 model, of course. The 1.7 125bhp one, ideally. Fantastic looking little car 👌
Had a new Puma in 1998 - fantastic car and the ad campaign was incredible
Puma is cool
Porsche Boxter 986 - the original one. Still cheap, prices rising and IMS bearing issues now accepted as not being a problem for over 90% of cars.
Great engine, handling and looks.
Ive had 3 986 s...cracking car and hold their money
I prefer the Porsche Boxster, more my cup of green tea.
Yes , My mate bought an early boxster s and when I went out for a drive I was very surprised at how well the thing handled and accelerated..... I had 0 previous porsche experience prior to this but nevertheless very good sports cars
That 944 in white looks stunning
You have come in clutch. Thank you so much, I was actually thinking of selling older classic and earlier 2000 cars as a side hustle!
Porsches, range rovers, BMWs and all that sort of stuff
My list would be : Toyota Mr2 mk2 ( preferably a revision 3 turbo ) , Mini Cooper R53 John Cooper Works, Fiat Couoe Turbo, Renault Megane 225 Turbo. Renault Clio 172 or 182 , Mercedes SLK 171. VW Scirocco R.
recently bought a 171 SLK, gorgeous thing
I had the Toyota Mr2 mk2 ( revision 3 turbo ) and Renault Clio 172 and would HIGHLY recommend either. Super fun cars!
If there is ever a car you won’t lose money on and is definitely a classic, it’s a Honda S2000, granted you won’t find a decent one for less than 10K anymore but a brilliant iconic car.
They’re really rare to see on the road but oddly enough, I saw two within the space of 20 seconds in Western Supermare.
I was waiting for the S2000 to appear on this list, would top any of these options. Probably THE modern classic.
@@SS-uq6wv they only ever get used on those nice sunny days, I own one myself.
@@ooheaven1459 one of a kind, won’t be another like it again, only those who have driven one know, they are brilliant.
If you’re over 6ft you won’t get in one either 😂
I have an 07 z4 coupe 3.0si with the manual box - absolutley love it. had it 3 years and have no plans to sell it!
I've an 06 coupe and whole heartedly agree!
Yeah... probably one of if not thee soundest investments on this list.
Its BMW
Glorious bulletproof straight 6
good looks
BMW in my opinion manage to tick so many boxes for owner satisfaction
I have just bought a 53 plate e85 Z4 3 litre so glad to see it make the list! Only 31,000 miles but plan to use it as intended for a few years
I brought my first Modern classic last year a 1988 Mercedes W124 230E saloon and I adore it. I've always loved 80s/mid 90s Era of Mercedes amazing build quality more in the 80s i have a 2007 Mercedes C220CDi and it's a great car never let me down but the W124 makes me smile when I get behind that big steering wheel.
The 406 Coupé is a real beauty and definitely a future classic. I'd go for the first generation TT roadster instead of the 80 Cabriolet, they are more iconic and might rise in value quicker. The E-Class convertible is already no longer a cheap modern classic. I wish I could buy a 944 that cheap here in Germany, that would be my first choice.
The MK2 TT is also worth a look. An original with no 'upgrading' is getting hard to find.
@@StateGiant796 Yeah, I give you that. Just in terms of raising values in the future I'm sure the first gen will be much better.
For the 406 Coupe, there's also a 2.2 Petrol. The line up was 2.0 Petrol, 2.2 Petrol, 2.2 HDI and 3.0L V6 Petrol (in 2 separate guises, the later model was handed to Porsche to 'tweak' resulting in an increase from 194bhp > 210bhp). Regardless of the engine, they are indeed beautiful and comfortable cars.
I really enjoyed this.
I suspect there will always be a good appetite for videos of "Practical Classics".
I bought quite a few of these classics. Only problem is I'd sold them, too.
Same I was just thinking the same thing how much money have I wasted in UK 🇬🇧 and NZ on cars that I’ve since sold? 🙅🏻♂️
Car addicts anonymous, free phone number give them a call 😅😮😂
@@jusssy5078 But you can still buy them...
Same!!!! If I could go back and buy all the cars I sold at cost! I'd be living a life!
I have a big soft spot for the 406 Coupe. The thing about the Celica is that it was launched in 1999, which is amazing given how sharp it still looks. The engine is apparently built by Yamaha, so it's actually a four-wheel motorcycle, and it apparently loves to rev.
The 944 has come down a lot, they were north of £5k for a project and at least £10+k for a nice one not too long ago
For a couple of left field classics, how about an Alfa Romeo 166, or even a 156 GTA. I like the idea of a Saab though, now a classic design and very well engineered.
Thanks for another awesome classics video! I own a 1990 Saab 900 3door hatchback. Absolutely love the car. Built as a tank, sounds great, fun to drive, unique recognisable silhouette, huge boot, so plenty practical, and overall a super cool classic in my opinion.
Good selection -I would add: DS 5 and Peugeot RCZ:-)
Biggest problem with all these cars shown especially the big engine models is TAX. The government doesn't want us to buy or drive them and VED will only get more and more expensive for these type of car's....In time they will scrap the 40 year classic rule
700 sheets for a range these days .......
Looking to spunk upto 10K on a v8 merc for fun days but because of this its trade plate it or tax only the weekends ill use it . That should never need to be like this .
It’s not a “classic” rule it’s know as “historic”
With most big stuff, the road tax is the least of your worries! If you can’t find £700 to tax a car then buy an eco box, because you sure as hell can’t afford the running costs of an old classic. Sorry
I can easily afford 700 sheets but why should I
@@Heartofaloin meh, it is what it is mate, not the end of the world. If you’re moaning about it, but something else. Classics in general are a money pit end of, you have to pay to play. I don’t moan when I fill my classic Range Rover up that does 12 to the gallon, after spending double what it’s worth on a restoration, I don’t moan because I love it and that’s the price of the enjoyment I get from it.
I've owned 3 cars on your list but my favourite was the 406 coupe 3l V6. Still wish I hadn't sold it. Comfortable, quite quick and a beautiful thing. And notably, very reliable for a French car. Had it from new for 16 years without an issue.
I have one for sale if you want another? I have seven mint ones so can spare one!
I had one. Sadly, I had to change to a company car, but at least it was a Citroen Xantia, that was a fantastic car, but nowhere on the looks beautiful as a 406 Coupé. I think the Xantia is a very undervalued car. One of the best gearboxes prior to the DSG boxes.
I bought a 2005 Celica last month and I'm really enjoying it. A lot of these have been very questionably modified but I managed to find a well maintained and unmodified example with no rust. I had to pay a bit more for it but I think it was worth it.
Man... I bought a 944 26 years ago...I was 20!!! Still the most I've ever loved a car. (Side note paid £2600 for insurance in 1998) 😢
Ah.. Risky Business.....
I had one when I was 21 and my insurance was £1700 . Borrowed loads and took ages to pay back but loved the car . B944 DGL 👍
Thumbs up for the Peugeot 406 Coupe! I had one for 17yrs and only had to sell it because I needed rear doors and it wasn't ULEZ compliant.
The interior was a bit dated, but it was painfully beautiful outside! I ended up getting a Audi A5 sportback (b9) which has the coupe lines but is more practical.
Nice bit of fun, some long forgotten models, loved the Saab, very distinctive design for both the 900 and 93. As the old saying goes, its fine buying the car, you have to run it and there is the problem with a lot of the choices. Top end stuff will need specialist or dealer maintenance and paperwork to keep it's provenance and to protect the future selling price. Then there's the UK road tax system.......
The Audi 80! Story time, gather round. My grandparents had an Audi 80 convertible in that British racing green colour, LXI 8080 was the reg, they had it for a while and then drove it all the way down to their little holiday home in Cyprus. They kept it for a few years and sold it to a restaurant owner down the street for £2000. This was in the 90s/early 00s before I was born, and yet that same restaurant owner still talks about that car to this day.
Hope that was interesting 😂
I lived in Cyprus '91-'95 and at that time all cars had 100% tax on them(so a car valued at £4000c would cost you £8000c, this is a car which would cost roughly £1000 in the UK)but I'm guessing that things have changed since it became an EU member
Great selection! I have saloon versions of two of the convertibles on your list: a Mercedes W124 in V8 guise, a 1995 E420 with under 30,000 miles, and - just acquired last week - a Saab 9-3 2.8 V6 Turbo Aero. The Mercedes is my third, the Saab my second after a very long gap.
The Audi 80 convertible was indeed owned by Princess Diana. I know this as I pulled up alongside her in a navy blue one near Earls Court. 30 years later, I’m so glad I resisted the urge to wave and smile! Classy lady in a classy car.
I saw her in that down queensway
Was she wearing her seat belt?
Snap. I saw her in the very same car by the underground station in Ladbroke Grove!
Fiat 20V Turbo Coupe? Volvo S60R? Focus ST500? All sub 10k.
Must say do really fancy a 944, great looking classic!
Great video Matt, think it’s a good place to put your money at the moment as wouldn’t trust banks or govt!
Practical classic videos would be great 👍
There was a 2000/01 Range Rover P38 Holland and Holland left abandoned in my local supermarket car park. The car was sitting there for 3/4 months before the tax ran out. Eventually the DVLA clamped it and a few weeks later it's been lifted. It's now sitting in the local compound and it'll either be scrapped or if they have sense it'll goto auction. It even had the original drinks cabinet in the boot
Was it a drinks cabinet in the back or a locking cabinet for storing a H&H pair of shotguns ?
@roberthaydock2340 no idea. Didn't really get a chance to look more closely into it. But I have now found out where it's being stored. So keeping an eye on local car auctions to see if it'll come up for sale at some point
@stevenearly4284 I looked at one locally, guy was looking for 5.5k (not the best example) - the interior is all wood & sumptuous leather. I reckon they're worth a punt on being the shooting fraternity worldwide, would surely love a bit of authenticity & class as what these cars are.... let me know if you snap her up!
Agree with all you say. In particular the Merc E - also the coupe (would be my favourite) and Saab. Where I live (Austria) its very challenging to get parts.
Another to look at. Mk2 Focus ST, fast fords always have a following and are always a classic
I'm thinking of getting a MK1 focus st170 before they start sky rocketing. Great wee car. 😀
Really miss mine was a fun car that , had a few other Fords ..Xr2 Mk1 and 2, Mk4 Xr3i and Rs Turbo, St170 and it was a minter and still is (sold it 10 years ago and still local) i would buy that back if i could. Also "had" a very nice Z4 2.5iS that i swapped plus cash my way for the ST2 Focus...so many other cars i should of kept over the years but its been a fun ride
I’m wondering if my st150 will end up a classic, I think they’re still fairly common at the moment though
Just remember
Don't "massively overspend !"
😂😂
VW corrado g60. I looked a few years back they were 5/7k, now 10 for a bad one and only 2 on AT. they’ll be worth loads in 10-20 years
Agreed. It's surprising just how long it has taken all Corrado models to start increasing in value though.
What about Volvo 240 estates from the 80's and 90's?
They are less than 5k and keep catching my eye. There is a pristine red on on my daily commute.
Any redblock Volvo !
A 240 on the channel would be great!
Oh my god. Have you ever driven one. Each to their own, but drive before you buy. You might be better putting a set of wheels on a canal boat.
@@sportshatch I certainly have, I had a 240 GLT estate for a few years and it certainly had traditional volvo qualities (not a sports car) Boxy but good as Dudley Moore said in that film
I'd also include the 700/900 series models.
Glad to see e85 BMW Z4 on the list. I have 3.0Si in a great spec (manual, heated sports seats, xenons, cruise etc.). The winning formula of great naturally aspirated engine, soft (not folding hard) top, manual not auto. Enough comfort and safety features to make it modern, but still simple and fairly light. Boot takes more stuff than you’d think. Doesn’t drive quite as well as a Boxster but is half the price and that straight six sounds glorious!
Matt, you make me laugh sometimes, 'oh, I should just buy one'. Brilliant.
The oil consuming cars reminds of a friend who would pull into the garage and say 'fill up the oil and check the fuel'.
Most 1990’s Mercedes are a great buy and are increasingly rare, notably, the 190E’s and E-Classes. I’d happily give one of my testicles for a good E320 Cabriolet, specifically in dark blue with the ivory leather interior and 8 hole alloy wheels.
The P38’s are absolutely 100% a good buy. The were not all that well received originally and when the L322 was launched, given the title of the worst Range Rover ever. While some of that may be true, the few that are left are worth buying and saving.
Love the 406 Coupe. Gorgeous car. Especially in V6 Manual.
I think the better Peugeot to put your money in is the RCZ. A few still under £3000, and the petrol 200hp is a great car to drive and will return over 40 mpg.
Had a 406c for 5 years. Great car to be honest. Done about 30k miles with it. 2.0 petrol. So comfortable for long trips. Nightmare to find body parts on the other hand.
Merc clk. 209 chassis.
Choose the right engine
Absolutely agree. Was going to say that. 2006-2009 as the previous shape not so nice rear end and rusty. Beautiful lines and built so solid. V6 diesel a great engine (the OM642). Defo think this will get more and more desirable.
mate i'm in motor industry 35 years and you need big balls to buy some of those sheds ??
@@peterrobinson3440 I rate the old skool 2.7 diesel. Lasts 200k easy. Good on fuel and moves when asked. Ran one for peanuts
The list:
Peugot 406
BMW 728
Audi 80 convertible
BMW Z4
Toyota Celica (my personal favorite from the list)
Mercedes E-Class Convertible
Land Rover Range Rover P38
Four Cougar
Saab 900 Convertible / 9-3
Porsche 944
I have no idea why a top gear type show havnt come knocking you have a good personality very informative funny down to earth should have ur own show mate
I appreciate that!
Hi Matt My Classic choice is Jaguar S type 2006 Diesel automatic I have owned it for 18months with no issues.I took your advice and have done a gearbox service rear axle service and a timing belt. i have had no faults and it runs like clockwork it has just turned 70,000 miles. It has full service history and it cost me £4000. An absolute bargain Insurance is cheap £336.00 I tax the car for 6 months a year at a cost of £228.25. I get between 30 and 40 mpg dependent on the journey. A fabulous car the best Jaguar I have owned, I have owned an early E type flat floor a 3.8MK 2, Several XJ6 and Daimler 2.5 saloons. Best wishes Alan
If you get the COC from Land Rover for the 4.0 Bosch and send it to TFL then it's ULEZ compliant which is a bonus. None of the other P38's comply.
Found your channel/vids a month ago and I have become a fan of your content. I think because we have the same taste in cars. I have a P38A 4.6L V8 and just bought a 2012 Supercharged 5.0L V8 Land Rover…haven’t taken ownership of the 2012 as of yet.
Yes, those wheels are definitely Hurricanes on the P38 you looked at.
I also have the Epsom green one. Have put a LOT of money into mine getting it all sorted.
An interesting selection of cars. I don't really trust cars much older than 10 years old, they rapidly accumulate problems because modern cars just aren't built to last, the only possible exception to that would be the Mercedes-Benz E-Class which really was built to last, until the accountants nearly destroyed the brand.
I like the Saab 9-3, but I worry about the availability of Saab parts nowadays, but the Saab I really like is their last production model, the 9-5.
An interesting list. I like the Z4 idea : the 3.0 is a great engine, but the coupe is even more special and rare, but pricier. The Cougar definitely deserves respect : it's genuinely so much car for the money, and a 25 year Ford that mostly hasn't disintegrated. I saved one 3 years ago and it wasn't a difficult car to rejuvenate after 8 years laid up. However, the model was never a big deal at the time, so I doubt many will lust after them now.
spot on - Old does NOT = Classic
matt i sold my granada 2.8 ghia x then bought the blue 406 coupe in the add that was mine before i got my E38 728i .guy worsley.My next move is 1999 Audi A8 2.8 in green Ronin car .ive not had a modern car in the last 15 years .
The granny 2.8 ghia and 2.3 v6 cortina were beautiful cars
Another interesting video & I endorse the financial adviser on cars in general not being true investments. This is not the reason I wished to comment however. As a buyer for Land Rover Parts for 10 years spent between Unipart & Land Rover under Ford I witnessed the demand figures for the P38A spares. The feedback from dealers was frightening and what kept customers coming back was they simply loved the product. One lady I remember being told had been back to the dealer 21 times in the first year of ownership! I visited many suppliers. Two key points from those supplier interactions. The rear hatch leaks and getting supplies was a horror story since many failed in Solihull's final inspection wet test. Second and much more serious and also a consideration if damp gets in is the control module that is situated under the driver's seat. Parts are limited ( the chip within it ) and if a substitute is chosen (2nd hand ) it has to be coded to the vehicle. One reason I run a 1974 Classic two door. Plus it doesn't tell me stuff like 'put your seat belt on' which incidentally I do!!
Mk1 TT surely should be on there?!
When talking about the late Saab convertible you've got to mention the prohibitive annual road tax 😱
WEF dominated government !
Really enjoyed this Matt. That late P38 was nice and what a lot of car for the money. Eyes open and back up fund needed but what a lovely thing.
Met your brother the other day and just blurted “oh, High Peak” what a an uncool moment before asking for directions 🤦♂️ ! Another great video 👍👍👍
I think the senators and Carlton 3.0s were very luxurious, fast and well built. Ithink mk1 berlingos will become the new 2cv’s and a good investment
The nicest looking Peugeot I’ve seen
E46 straight six lovely
Great video ! My problem is I don't have room to park a second car ! I can't even park outside my own semi as three of my neighbours have filled the street with three, four and five cars each because either their children still live at home or they have got to the age where they buy themselves the car they've always wanted...like a BMW Z4 ! I'd have that red Range Rover any day but I have someone here who won't let me !
Always been a fan of the 406
Consider the MGF/MGTF. They can be had for nothing, parts are plentiful since they sold tons of them and they are the last of the line of MG roadsters. Only thing you have to watch out for is rust and head gasket issues and I'd go for the TF if you can since it looks sharper and you don't have to worry about the hydragas suspension.
Not sure if they're quite old/retro enough yet, but mk1 Audi TT might be an option for a future classic?
Some lovely cars her Matt, no XJ I notice? :( I only have space for one car, so I'm still knocking about in my 06 Jag XJ Sovereign. I'd love to pop it in a garage and keep it pristine but that will have to wait til I win the lotto. Even then I think I'd have to buy a low mileage XJ to keep in a garage and just drive my high mileage one til they get taxed off the road. Nothing drives like my Jag.
Agreed. 2004-08 x350 sovereign. All aluminium so no rust although they can corrode in time. Also got to have good history. Pay about £5000-7000. I have been through 4 XJ’s 3 XF’s next was an F Pace now on an EPace. Just love the older Jaguar.
The X300 models are well worth buying now as well. Only just emerging from their banger years though, so be careful, but quite possibly the last 'real Jag due to it's styling, straight 6 engines and ride quality.
I think you’re spot on with the P38. I think maximum returns would come with any of the limited edition models, such as the Westminster, H&H, anniversary model. I’ve no doubt the single UK Linley model is worth a pretty penny.
I think another to make this list would be an S2000, slightly over budget, but will hold money well.
Brilliant video.
More of this please.
Loved this video, I have had several 93’s and agree they are fab cars and bullet proof. I’m an Alfa nut though having had a Brera v6, 2 x 156’s, 3 x 916 Spiders and an s3 Spider so was disappointed none featured or my other love a Nissan 350/370z of which I’ve had 3 - one was actually featured in modern classic magazine. You’ve got me thinking of my 10 picks, so thanks👍
I'm old enough to remember car journalists writing praises to 406 when it just came out, so I'm not awfuly surprised, and yes it looks good.
I think Autocar went as far as calling the 406 saloon 'the best car in the real world' when it was launched in '96.
0:49 “at a quick glance” …if you’ve had too much to drink win😂😅
Have owned few and driven a number of Saabs over the years. The scuttle shake on the convertibles is like driving in a pram, so ride quality is poor comfirtable seats help but ,, . Mx5 and Honda 2000 would be my choice .
The Cougar, which was available in the U.S. too, was based on the Ford Contour, which was based the Ford Mondeo (clear as mud?). I had a 1998 Ford Contour Sport with the 2.5 V6. It was a great car, and sporty indeed. Even Consumer Reports, which seldom gushes about cars, called it "a BMW for half the price."
I would really like a 944, but prices in my country are just way too high. Cars in the UK are just so amazingly cheap.
Cheap can mean poorly maintained I’m afraid. So lots of spending after purchase.
Try to look for 924S, ie post 1986 models with Porsche 2.5l engine (same as in early 944). They are generally cheaper, but offer the same experience. However, they are also going up in price slowly.
I just burst out laughing when you said you quite like the P38 Range Rover, Matt. But don’t you like every series of Range Rover!
944, I would go the hardtop, but they came with a huge sunroof, that could tilt, or could be completely removed and stored in the boot.
The turbo's fly.
The later ones had a better looking front grill.
Interesting video Matt, thanks.
Almost bought a midnight blue 3.0 for 5500 euros... still regret I chickened out. Got an almost new Saab cabrio instead, which I don't regret, still got it. 2010 model, with frosty taillights.
Ford Cougar is based off a Mondeo mk1. Share alot of parts. 2.5 v6 is a Porsche designed motor. Available in different states of tune. St24 / St200.
Celica has a Elephant in the room. Regarding the Yamaha head. They can grenade, if not looked / serviced properly.
Thanks for this!
If I ever decide to replace my "sunshine" car, this would be my short list.
Morning Matt, I think we all can tell that you're definitely going to fix up all three of them ,and why not you can't help yourself because your a petrol head and you love doing this ,so keep up the good work...cheers Phil from Newark
Spot-on, some great choices there, I really like the Peugeot 406 and the to a lesser extent the Ford Cougar. I do like a coupe...
A SAAB would be a good classic choice too. Keep up with the great content.
I went to view both Ford cougars shown your video the blue one & the 2.0. The blue cougar is total scrap looks better in the pictures & the 2.0 sold over a week ago. Thanks for this video really enjoyed it 👍👍
So, in my opinion the ten affordable modern classic cars that are recommended for purchase:
BMW E46 3 Series
Porsche Boxster (986)
Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA/NB)
Volkswagen Golf GTI Mk4
Ford Mustang SN95
Honda S2000
Audi TT Mk1
Chevrolet Corvette C5
Nissan 350Z
Subaru WRX (Bugeye)
These cars are highlighted for their balance of performance, style, and potential future value.
I've got a 1998 6th gen Toyota Celica 1.8 ST. It's done 111000 miles, everything works apart from the rear wiper. I paid £1800 for it in 2020 and I'm hoping prices will start to rose very soon. Am I being too hopeful?
Saab 95 Aero. Mine was tweaked a bit, (275 bhp, Eibach progressive springs & Bilstein shocks) Fast, comfortable car, excellent handling and surprisingly economical on a run! Only sold it because her indoors won’t drive manual!😡 Pick up a 1st (best!) Generation now before they all disappear….
Oh that red 944 ( hard top not the convertible) that's a hard one to ignore.
Auto Trader & The TV series Wheelers Dealers Mike Brewster,
endorses the early Audi Quattro TT MK1's 225bhp Bam (or 3.2 V6.)
They are sure to become a popular classic as they are such a
well made, all around great to drive & reliable car.
Despite being a victim of their own success due to market saturation, there
won't be many about in a few years time after the remainder get street raced
& thrashed to death on track days!
Since there are still so many decent examples around, prices for a pretty decent
example start at about £1500.
So I bought the BAM one recently for £900, FSH tidy no major faults apart from a
cracked spring.
I simply spent £300 on springs & 2 new tyres to pass the Mot with no advisories!
How can they depreciate less than £1000?
Some others I think you missed were the early Porche Boxters & SLK's, Mx5,
BMW Z3, the later 1990s Mini Coopers & the MGB GTMk2 to name a few.
Best one is the Celica, especially globally. Range rover spells trouble. Saab? Yes!
Good shout for the Ford Cougar, Peugeot 406 coupe and BMW Z4. Others worthy of a mention in my humble opinion are the Ford Focus cc convertible and Renault Mégane convertible especially as they can be bought dirt cheap.
Im never been a car guy, but your content is kinda making me one 😂
I've owned a full spec 728i and i regret selling that car, unfortunately needed the money at the time. But consider the e38 as an investments and you will lose all your money 3x. Parts are NOT cheap, bushes and links are extremely expensive, engine drinks oil and needs a lot of care as all vanos from the time, electronics after 10 years (mine was at the time of seeling it) were already glitchy and needed attention, and mpg is ... well horrid 😅 that being said, i am currently looking into buying another one because it was the best all around car i ever had. Comfort spec seats are unmatched even by new 7 series, engine is quiet, it is lovely on the bends and while you do feel the need for at least 100 more hp, it doesn't push you to drive it hard to enjoy it, it is chill and relaxed
How on earth are the Z4 so cheap in the UK, what the hell are those prices.
So many convertibles sold then not enough buyers now.
Im not sure why people like to buy old cars that where never good even at the time thinking there now because there old good when the cars they where worse then at the time also still exist 🤔. Regards these cars when they go up they may go up a bit there however going to cost alot to keep working so ur profit will be 0 even if they double in price. Just need to look at 80s or 90s mediocre cars there still not worth much especially when u pay to drive into towns now
You forgot Mazda!
The 323F, Xedos 6 and Xedos 9, MX-6 and MX-3 all deserve a place on this list too I reckon!
MX-3 now that is a rare completely forgotten bird! 1.8 litre V6?.
Will I regret selling my SAAB 93 Carlsson [2400 mls] Having most SAAB models in the past and seeing the tremendous increase in value-especially the 96 bullnose two stroke,I am too old [at 90] to worry about investment.Mind you,keeping a favourite model to look at is a joy.I can just sit in the 95 estate,radio on as it is an extension of my home- I:m not senile!
Mazda Miata NB anniversary edition.
Honda S2000.
Lexus cabrio.
Very well maintained, unmodified.
I just bought a Celica for £800, drives lovely. Bit tatty outside but no rust plus classic insurance.
Great video. I like the Range Rover P38, Porsche 944 and BMW 7 series. Please have some Alfa Romeos in your next compilation?!
Matt turn the AC on in your office. You need it.
There's so many you could add to this. Anything that's fast worth a ford badge. Saxo vtr/vts, clio 182, 1st gen audi s3, r53 mini cooper S, calibras, vectra gsi and supertourings. You really could fill a barn with it