For the curious, you can look at additive and subtractive color. RGB works when adding emitted light, CMY works when applying pigments that absorb some light.
@@ThorbenHendrik89 You kind of are. On a good color wheel you'll notice that C is exactly opposite R, M opposite G and Y opposite B. This isn't accidental, this is in fact why it works. When lighting with RGB, you start from zero light (blackness) and add the three wavelengths of light eyes see until you have the balance you want. When coloring with CMY, you have ambient (white) light, and you reduce the reflected light by adding pigments that absorb red, green and blue until you have the balance you want.
Hello! While CMYK (K is Black) wheel is very useful tool, big print format shifts towards using extra colors that may be hard to mix or just don't look right (for example you really need separate orange pigment). Also, there is something called "Grey Component", which can help with mixing right paint. You can almost always substitute 1 part of cyan and magenta and yellow with single part of black, thus letting you mix any CMYK color with only two primaries and black (at least for using on white background, under painting plays huge role in how we perceive colors).
while true, cmyk is still a very useful tool when compared to modern acrylics and rby/g, which is where the majority of colour theory is traditionally instructed in this field.
Hey masterful mini witch, thanks for giving such an accessible, practical demo of an application of colour theory. It's a thing I can never quite get to grips with in the abstract, but I always feel much more enlightened by this type of demo. Another thing I really love is that, as an unfixably shakey handed person, your scrumbling, dry brushing and glazing makes laser-point precision less of a necessity. Gorgeous minis, beautifully painted as always. Really looking forward to part two now.
You have changed my painting forever. I tried this on a tiny area of some fish fins I've been trying to figure out what to do with. (Brushes, not airbrush) It did not look great, but I accidentally discovered the tie-dye look I've been trying to achieve for my " High " elves
Thabks for this. I was asking about CMYK vs. RGB color models elsewhere. I wondered with all rhe color options if Pantone was a more applicable color model. But I know I will be coming back to this video for another viewing.
cool! the transitions do look very good cuz all the colors 'look' as if they come from same pallet ..of brand,.. mixed from same base so to speak... sometimes you can do everything perfect and still something looks off about it... usually one of 3 color doesnt complement ..is slightly off.. yellow yes ..but not same -tone- .. like using 2 pastels and 1 pure color... seems like one does not belong... but the CMYK paints??... hmmmm... good idea!... Looks awesome too... always colors match well together ..... very nice. I try it...
After losing patience with citadel paints I decided to start from scratch with all new paints. But money's tight these days, so I went with pro acryl and bought cyan (turquoise actually) magenta yellow, red green blue, black white, and gold and silver. I'm not a prolific painter, but I love using just this set and having "cyan" and magenta a prominent part of a limited starting palette encourages use of "weirder" colours. 😊
Great video. The more cymk tutorials that are out, the better painters we get. Acrylic inks are very good sources for cymk range as are artist grade paints. Wonder if your system would work well with oilpaints?
While your doing this color theory serise would you consider going over the practical differences between a true black an RGB chromatic black and a CMY chromatic black, also maybe the idea of a chromatic black made with one or all florescent colors?
The simplified explanation being RGB only works for transmissive, or illuminated color sources, like your television or monitor. Printing uses CMYK (K being Black) which is reflective color. Reflective because the color you see is being reflected back to your eye.
For me, I learned there are different types of red and blue, with different hues leaning either warm (towards red and orange) or cool (towards blue and green). I learned the reason why cyan and magenta work well together is because they are both cool versions of red and blue. In my experience, when I try to make a purple from a cool red (like magenta) and a warm blue (like ultramarine) the results are muddy as shown in the intro. Same with a warm red and a cool blue (like the basic red and cerulean). I use a lot of oil paints for my figures, and my palette normally has warm and cool versions of red, blue, and yellow, with earth tones and white. I can mix a nice dark tone from ultramarine and burnt umber. Of course, your mileage may vary, I could be wrong, and results speak volumes -- your results are more compelling than anything I just wrote...
@@khanoclast My day job is a pre-press technician in offset lithography. I also just got certified as a G7 color expert. Where CMY as the primaries for traditional print comes from is that they are the half-way point point between each of the R G and B used as primaries for direct light/transmissive color. Direct light can be the pure since your eye is perceiving the wavelength of that color directly from the light. CMY is reflective which means the color you are perceiving is the wavelength(s) not absorbed by the pigment or coloring of the object. That is why is sometimes referred to ask subtractive color. However, because it is reflected, the color reflected to your eye is rarely just blue, just red or just green. There is usually smaller tiny amounts of the other colors that also get reflected back so that the blue will rarely be pure and have a warm or cool shift to it. To get around that, that is why CMY was developed as the primaries for print since it was known up front a pure blue, red or green would not be reflected. Therefore, the wavelengths that were chosen for the reflective primaries were the colors that sat in the middle of the direct light primaries of RGB since what was reflected would mostly be a mix. K, or black, was added because even when you mix all 3 pigments of C, M and Y together, you get more of a muddy, brownish black instead of a rich neutral black. The K is to introduce that neutral black back into the color build.
@@khanoclast If you want to mix a nice purple, try to use mono/single pigmented paints. Or at least mixed paints with only one pigment beside white (PW6). If you are using a PR122 (pigment used for nearly all magenta) in combination with a real ultramarine blue (PB29) you will get an awesome vivid and bright purple. At the landing page of our webpage you can find a color wheel with a lot of pigments, where you can get a good idea which pigments can be mixed well (best if they are not getting to close of the center). A lot of problems while mixing are caused because paints already mixed from several pigments. If you mix them, some of the used pigments will be on the opposite side of the color wheel and led to a grey or brown (near the center of the wheel). Cheers, Marcel
This is an interesting idea with a color that we as humans can not see. Magenta is a color that we as human’s can not perceive so we “guess “ what it looks like inside of our brain
Love your work, especially the "Hound of Tindalos." If you don't mind me asking, did you see some source on the net for your color scheme or just winged it, like I did? Also, where did you get your bases that you used in the video?
@@LylaMev "just generic bases done with baking soda and super glue" can you explain this process or do you have a video for it. It sounds better than trying to find a base to fit a certain model that didn't have/come with one. Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!
cover your base in quick dry super glue, then dunk it into baking soda! it will crystalize to create a to-scale ground texture! Then i do another swirl of quick dry super glue and dunk it into a mixture of sand and stones. the golden rule for bases is the rule of 3: 3 textures and at least 3 colors. @@MrEapie
I tried CMYK a while ago, but chose the wrong colours for my Cyan and Magenta - I chose a light blue, and a pure red. Some of the mixes turned out OK but, as you state, you cannot make a decent brown from them. Might give it another crack, having watched your video. Thank you!
@@LylaMevI thought so, that happened to me with a Black Adam and a Colossus statue that I printed that some where some how they lost fingers as well. Also I really like the combinations of colors.
I actually pointed out to my art teacher that red yellow and blue aren't the primary colors, since screens use red green and blue... I recall he got somewhat mad at me. I think the reason those colors are usually taught in art class is because of some historical reasons related to naturally occurring pigments and such. Magenta isn't exactly common...
CTHULHU!!! DREAD CTHULHU!!! IT DARKENS THE SUN!!! THE ANCIENT!!! THE ANTI-GOD!!! LORD OF THE UNHOLY ONES!!! *ahem, 90's death metal moment over with* Joking aside, this jolted my mind in a good way in regards to the color wheel and I will definitely be referring to this in the future. Good video as usual, Miss Lyla! The whole message of this video seems to be "Be painterly and all will flow from there," and that's something I often aim for in my painting as well.
The video title made me think this was going to be to use printer ink to paint. Not sure using one of the most expensive liquids on Earth would have been a good idea. Glad it was about colour models and mixing. It's amusing there is no agreed upon standard and varies based on where it's being used. RYB is mostly in art and design. RGB is mostly in video and display tech. CMYK is most in printing. And they all work in their own ways.
I think the color theory presented is useful, however, I doubt I'd ever paint a miniature in this way. The first one (CMY) just looks and feels incomplete to me.
That's because it really is incomplete. She only covered up to the first part of painting to demonstrate the process, not a complete tutorial from beginning to finish. After this point where she left off, you go to the detailing and working on the other elements of the mini to go with the amazing gradients of your base element.
primary colors are a set of colors than can be mixed to create all other colors. Secondary colors are the colors they mix to create. So if my primarys are red yellow and blue then my secondary colors are orange (red and yellow, green (yellow and blue), and purple (red and blue).
Every artist also understand that the hoe of colors differs from brands as well...thats why there are many points of view to take in perspective to take not just this CMY ..these tmyoung youtubers still need much to learn
For the curious, you can look at additive and subtractive color. RGB works when adding emitted light, CMY works when applying pigments that absorb some light.
Crucially, it's not red yellow and blue, but red, *green* and blue. Which also matches up with the colors picked up by the cones in your eye!
well, so next time I will just paint with light :D
@@ThorbenHendrik89 You kind of are. On a good color wheel you'll notice that C is exactly opposite R, M opposite G and Y opposite B. This isn't accidental, this is in fact why it works. When lighting with RGB, you start from zero light (blackness) and add the three wavelengths of light eyes see until you have the balance you want. When coloring with CMY, you have ambient (white) light, and you reduce the reflected light by adding pigments that absorb red, green and blue until you have the balance you want.
as you say. It is kind of the opposite of painting
Thank you for the advice Lyla! It was nice to join you on this video! Hope you enjoyed these anniversary minis!
Hello!
While CMYK (K is Black) wheel is very useful tool, big print format shifts towards using extra colors that may be hard to mix or just don't look right (for example you really need separate orange pigment).
Also, there is something called "Grey Component", which can help with mixing right paint. You can almost always substitute 1 part of cyan and magenta and yellow with single part of black, thus letting you mix any CMYK color with only two primaries and black (at least for using on white background, under painting plays huge role in how we perceive colors).
while true, cmyk is still a very useful tool when compared to modern acrylics and rby/g, which is where the majority of colour theory is traditionally instructed in this field.
Hey masterful mini witch, thanks for giving such an accessible, practical demo of an application of colour theory. It's a thing I can never quite get to grips with in the abstract, but I always feel much more enlightened by this type of demo. Another thing I really love is that, as an unfixably shakey handed person, your scrumbling, dry brushing and glazing makes laser-point precision less of a necessity. Gorgeous minis, beautifully painted as always. Really looking forward to part two now.
You have changed my painting forever.
I tried this on a tiny area of some fish fins I've been trying to figure out what to do with. (Brushes, not airbrush)
It did not look great, but I accidentally discovered the tie-dye look I've been trying to achieve for my " High " elves
CMYK is also how you get chromatic black! Definitely the better way to mix, especially if you're using inks.
You and your videos are absolutely stunning. Informative and easy to watch, thank you.
I love using cmyk theory to make my projects pop. Great work!
Thank you leyla your videos are gold
I love learning art and miniature painting from you.
Used my small experience in print to do this hack myself, works so well.
Thabks for this. I was asking about CMYK vs. RGB color models elsewhere. I wondered with all rhe color options if Pantone was a more applicable color model. But I know I will be coming back to this video for another viewing.
Once again great video. Thank you for continuing to create very easy to follow videos
cool! the transitions do look very good cuz all the colors 'look' as if they come from same pallet ..of brand,.. mixed from same base so to speak... sometimes you can do everything perfect and still something looks off about it... usually one of 3 color doesnt complement ..is slightly off.. yellow yes ..but not same -tone- .. like using 2 pastels and 1 pure color... seems like one does not belong... but the CMYK paints??... hmmmm... good idea!... Looks awesome too... always colors match well together ..... very nice. I try it...
JADE!!!! Jade is an awesome color, innit?
All hail jade
After losing patience with citadel paints I decided to start from scratch with all new paints. But money's tight these days, so I went with pro acryl and bought cyan (turquoise actually) magenta yellow, red green blue, black white, and gold and silver. I'm not a prolific painter, but I love using just this set and having "cyan" and magenta a prominent part of a limited starting palette encourages use of "weirder" colours. 😊
Another very nice and helpful video! 🤩
Keep on going providing us with this high quality content.👍
Thank you for that. 😊
damn, that looks rly good and nice how to.
I will try that, thanks for share!
Thanks again for this inspirational tutorial 😊 Simple but very effective 🤩
A wonderful video with great information
an artsy video that isn't about warhammer. interesting.
I don't really know why we all learn as kids the blue red yellow thing while artists well know that the real deal is CMY 🤷♂️
Thank you, great video.
Great video. The more cymk tutorials that are out, the better painters we get.
Acrylic inks are very good sources for cymk range as are artist grade paints. Wonder if your system would work well with oilpaints?
I'm glad to see you found a use for the Chronicle brushes.😂 My "natural wolf" bristles developed the synthetic curl at the tip in a week.
exactly!
And in my experience most modern paints are made using CMYK so it can be faster and you'll hit fewer bumps if the paint itn't full of fillers.
While your doing this color theory serise would you consider going over the practical differences between a true black an RGB chromatic black and a CMY chromatic black, also maybe the idea of a chromatic black made with one or all florescent colors?
The hue, saturation and brightness of the colors matters when mixing.
of course! But I can't cover everything.
The simplified explanation being RGB only works for transmissive, or illuminated color sources, like your television or monitor. Printing uses CMYK (K being Black) which is reflective color. Reflective because the color you see is being reflected back to your eye.
The artist color wheel is actually RYB (red yellow blue!)
@@LylaMev Well that’s what I get for listening to UA-cam while working. Ignore my silly comment, I’m coming at it from the printing world.
For me, I learned there are different types of red and blue, with different hues leaning either warm (towards red and orange) or cool (towards blue and green). I learned the reason why cyan and magenta work well together is because they are both cool versions of red and blue. In my experience, when I try to make a purple from a cool red (like magenta) and a warm blue (like ultramarine) the results are muddy as shown in the intro. Same with a warm red and a cool blue (like the basic red and cerulean).
I use a lot of oil paints for my figures, and my palette normally has warm and cool versions of red, blue, and yellow, with earth tones and white. I can mix a nice dark tone from ultramarine and burnt umber.
Of course, your mileage may vary, I could be wrong, and results speak volumes -- your results are more compelling than anything I just wrote...
@@khanoclast My day job is a pre-press technician in offset lithography. I also just got certified as a G7 color expert. Where CMY as the primaries for traditional print comes from is that they are the half-way point point between each of the R G and B used as primaries for direct light/transmissive color. Direct light can be the pure since your eye is perceiving the wavelength of that color directly from the light. CMY is reflective which means the color you are perceiving is the wavelength(s) not absorbed by the pigment or coloring of the object. That is why is sometimes referred to ask subtractive color. However, because it is reflected, the color reflected to your eye is rarely just blue, just red or just green. There is usually smaller tiny amounts of the other colors that also get reflected back so that the blue will rarely be pure and have a warm or cool shift to it. To get around that, that is why CMY was developed as the primaries for print since it was known up front a pure blue, red or green would not be reflected. Therefore, the wavelengths that were chosen for the reflective primaries were the colors that sat in the middle of the direct light primaries of RGB since what was reflected would mostly be a mix. K, or black, was added because even when you mix all 3 pigments of C, M and Y together, you get more of a muddy, brownish black instead of a rich neutral black. The K is to introduce that neutral black back into the color build.
@@khanoclast If you want to mix a nice purple, try to use mono/single pigmented paints. Or at least mixed paints with only one pigment beside white (PW6). If you are using a PR122 (pigment used for nearly all magenta) in combination with a real ultramarine blue (PB29) you will get an awesome vivid and bright purple.
At the landing page of our webpage you can find a color wheel with a lot of pigments, where you can get a good idea which pigments can be mixed well (best if they are not getting to close of the center).
A lot of problems while mixing are caused because paints already mixed from several pigments. If you mix them, some of the used pigments will be on the opposite side of the color wheel and led to a grey or brown (near the center of the wheel).
Cheers,
Marcel
This is an interesting idea with a color that we as humans can not see. Magenta is a color that we as human’s can not perceive so we “guess “ what it looks like inside of our brain
I wonder how the cyan/yellow mini would turn out if it was given a glaze of green. Maybe a vibrant gradient of green?
Great video, thanks
This is awesome - thank you for the tips! If we don’t have/want to use an airbrush - would drybrushing the initial layers work decently enough?
yes!
Excellent presentation explanation 👍
Love your work, especially the "Hound of Tindalos." If you don't mind me asking, did you see some source on the net for your color scheme or just winged it, like I did? Also, where did you get your bases that you used in the video?
Just used the cmy color wheel! And the bases are just generic bases done with baking soda and super glue, sand and stones!
@@LylaMev
"just generic bases done with baking soda and super glue" can you explain this process or do you have a video for it. It sounds better than trying to find a base to fit a certain model that didn't have/come with one. Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!
cover your base in quick dry super glue, then dunk it into baking soda! it will crystalize to create a to-scale ground texture! Then i do another swirl of quick dry super glue and dunk it into a mixture of sand and stones. the golden rule for bases is the rule of 3: 3 textures and at least 3 colors. @@MrEapie
Thank you so Very much! I've learned a lot from you and how you do mini's. Keep up the great work! @@LylaMev
I tried CMYK a while ago, but chose the wrong colours for my Cyan and Magenta - I chose a light blue, and a pure red. Some of the mixes turned out OK but, as you state, you cannot make a decent brown from them.
Might give it another crack, having watched your video.
Thank you!
Noooo! Not red!
That would be RGB. So, the other color wheel.
@@PeteOfDarkness yep, but it doesn’t work well with paints. CMYK (and W) is the way to go…
Am I wrong or did this model lost some fingers somewhere from the print to the paint?
It did! 3d printing is my weakness. I believe they were thrown out with the bath water
@@LylaMevI thought so, that happened to me with a Black Adam and a Colossus statue that I printed that some where some how they lost fingers as well. Also I really like the combinations of colors.
I actually pointed out to my art teacher that red yellow and blue aren't the primary colors, since screens use red green and blue... I recall he got somewhat mad at me.
I think the reason those colors are usually taught in art class is because of some historical reasons related to naturally occurring pigments and such. Magenta isn't exactly common...
Not me thinking this video was about using inkt cartridges somehow for mini painting
There are many different color wheels. None of them are "best". I personally prefer the split primary color wheel as it works with artist pigments.
If I could be even 10% of your quality I would be happy
you are so kind!
@@LylaMev just being honest. keep up the good work. it keeps me going
@@LylaMev credit where credit is due. love it
This is fantastic content.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
This is also called glazing.
Can we see more of the model at 4:53 please? Looks really cool!!
check my "airbrushing miniature painting tips i wish someone told me" (or something like that)
Love the video. Thank.
So Useful! Much Help!
Thank you!
CTHULHU!!! DREAD CTHULHU!!! IT DARKENS THE SUN!!! THE ANCIENT!!! THE ANTI-GOD!!! LORD OF THE UNHOLY ONES!!! *ahem, 90's death metal moment over with*
Joking aside, this jolted my mind in a good way in regards to the color wheel and I will definitely be referring to this in the future. Good video as usual, Miss Lyla! The whole message of this video seems to be "Be painterly and all will flow from there," and that's something I often aim for in my painting as well.
Good! Thank you!
So the Crippled God stuff are print files and not miniatures?
STL!
@@LylaMev so they're not files?
STL files you 3d print. However, I believe you can order prints through my mini factory!
The video title made me think this was going to be to use printer ink to paint. Not sure using one of the most expensive liquids on Earth would have been a good idea.
Glad it was about colour models and mixing. It's amusing there is no agreed upon standard and varies based on where it's being used.
RYB is mostly in art and design. RGB is mostly in video and display tech. CMYK is most in printing. And they all work in their own ways.
10/10 great advice
Process Cyan is easy to find if you look in the ink section. Got a big bottle of Dahler cyan at Michael's for 8 bucks.
thnx great vid ..:}
I think the color theory presented is useful, however, I doubt I'd ever paint a miniature in this way. The first one (CMY) just looks and feels incomplete to me.
That's because it really is incomplete. She only covered up to the first part of painting to demonstrate the process, not a complete tutorial from beginning to finish. After this point where she left off, you go to the detailing and working on the other elements of the mini to go with the amazing gradients of your base element.
This demonstration was done with the goal of painting quickly! You definitely could go further, and I do in my next video!
instructions unclear, my printer is broken and my hands are covered in printer ink
????????
wait what
I was at no point taught that red blue and yellow are "primary." What does that even mean??????
primary colors are a set of colors than can be mixed to create all other colors. Secondary colors are the colors they mix to create. So if my primarys are red yellow and blue then my secondary colors are orange (red and yellow, green (yellow and blue), and purple (red and blue).
Not sure where you’re located, but this is super common to learn in elementary school art classes in the US.
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Thank you so much!
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Love the wet hair look comeback. Awesome tutorial
huh. Sneaky. I use inks but never thought of that. Cheers
Synesthetic moment, I can smell your shampoo when you talk😮
Afraid to watch this video lol
why?!
@@LylaMev I thought you were going to start gutting printed cartridges for ink 😅😅😅 would make a funny video for the most expensive paint job
Every artist also understand that the hoe of colors differs from brands as well...thats why there are many points of view to take in perspective to take not just this CMY ..these tmyoung youtubers still need much to learn
Ok??
Learned this in graphic arts in high school.
me too!