@@FauxHammer I used to be the former but as I got deeper into product design, I started leaning towards the latter. Used to build some of the early Vorons, now if I have a printer that stops working and it can't be fixed within a day, I pickup a new one from my supplier and off to the parts shack the old printer goes.
It is ridiculous to word this difference like this. Sorry I don't want to spend more than double the amount I'm paying now for a tiny ass printer, and I actually learn what I work with. Have fun when you need to do the same maintenance anyway and take 5x as long to do it or even learning what's wrong because you don't understand what you're doing.
This was such a good honest review of the SV08. However, what's going on with your thumbnail 'I would NOT buy this'', it's the complete opposite of your review. I feel click baited, so that a dislike from me.
I have loved mine and have had pretty great support from Sovol with the simple issues I have had. I use mine daily without issue. I am pretty new to 3d printing though and this is my 3rd printer and best so far. Looking forward to 20 color prints with Co-Print next week.
I’m looking at the SV08 for the size. I’m assuming the SV08 + open enclosure actually has the panels to enclose it? It’s listed at $709 vs $539 without open enclosure. Is it worth it to get the extra HDMI screen? I currently have a K1C. It’s fan is loud. But have had very few issues with it. The K2 combo is still on back order. I’m interested in that one for the AMS. Will AMS be available for the SV08?
@@scottrichard6579 I bought the enclosure and the hdmi screen. I have yet to use the HDMI screen cause I do everything on the computer and just haven’t had time to figure it out. The machine for me is loud and I live in an apartment complex so it’s a problem. But also I don’t wanna hear a loud machine all the time. Otherwise it prints very fast and good. I’m having problems with over extrusion at the ends of the seams that I have to figure out tho.
Long-term support and the ability to upgrade are things I love about Prusa printers too. This provides a lot of value to the sort of customer who doesn't mind a *little* tinkering. The fact that calibration is getting easier and easier makes these upgrades a real easy sell. I love my mk4.
Watch Robert Cowan's video about "long term" support from Prusa. What is considered long term support? Bad thermal design which leads to a driver dying barely a year after first print? And the support's only option is you have to buy a brand new $150 board. That's not acceptable in the current market.
@@kazolar nah, I'm good. I have my own personal experience to rely on. I've been running my Prusa for nearly five years. I haven't needed any support whatsoever. I built it from a kit as a mk3s+, and upgrading to a mk4 was easy, rewarding, and it absolutely slaps. Huge quality of life improvements that make me love it even more. I don't really care about the rest of the market, as I already have a Prusa and it exceeds my needs. I'm confident I'll be able to keep upgrading it for years to come, just like how one could upgrade prior models going back what, a decade? to a mk4.
@@kazolarOne person had one unlucky fault and you're using exclusively that to judge their system? People make entire print farms with Prusa because they outlast everything else 😅
@@kazolar I watched it. He seems like the kind of guy that thinks he knows more than he knows. Not that he is stupid, just a bit to eager to prematurely jump to conclusions with his diagnostics. Re-flowing was a bit of a Hail-Mary. All that poking around may have just wiggled something tight. He definitely expected Prusa to give him a free board and support after the warranty expired. Note Prusa does give after warranty support but not parts.
I got mine 2 weeks ago and I love it so far. Without turning it on I changed mcu fan for quieter one and hot end with Microswiss hi flow 0.8 nozzle. This was based on reviews I saw (not yours though). A also changed bunch of settings. Went through 4kg of filament so far, no problems. It is serous machine for 3d printer hobbyist. I was looking at Vorons for few years, but never managed the courage or time and resources to build one. This is a very welcome shortcut. Based on what I learned so far on SV08, I might go for full DIY 3d printer.
@@Doubletroublefursuits I've put two 24v fans in serial, so on 100% they get just 12v each and work on 50% but double the flow. So no, they are not loud. However now the part cooling fan is loudest.
@@frantzs1077 so the fans are too loud for me. It’s when the machine is moving is it super loud. Like my apartment has thick walls and is long and when I’m like on the other side of the apartment with the door closed I can hear it. When it moves it basically sounds like it’s beeping when it’s not. That doesn’t happen with yours?
Whilst this is certainly not an "it just works" style of printer, it is a massive win for the more technically involved hobbyist. It's a very good base from which you can build upon in pretty much any way you want at a third of the price of the Vorons it's based on, takes most of the original assembly out of it, and let's you focus your energy on upgrading. Fucking great bit of kit. They even donate to the original Voron project for every SV08 purchase they get. I intend to turn one into a 5 toolhead changer 😊
Since the SV08 hit the market some Voron Kits have dropped massivly in price, mostly the cheaper ones with 4G not the LDO 7G kit. I got a Voron 2.4 350mm kit for 30€ less then the full encased SV08 would have costs me. With the Filament i am little over. But this will be my 4th Kit Printer i build, so i am more a "likes building 3D Printer" guy. But in my Collection is an X1C as well.
@ this is my first printer. I was looking for something that wasn’t too hard but could be tinkered with so this fit the bill. I am eyeing a rook or Voron zero once i get some experience under my belt
@@Elkarlo77Where did you source that? Here in the US a 350mm 2.4 kit would still run north of 1000 dollars with shipping and tax included ... I'd love to build a voron but really can't justify the price when I can get this for 500 bucks ish .
@@tinkeringpoko Kinda thinking along these lines too. I really want to build a voron with the tool changers. Half to a third of the price for this..... Tempting....
And that exposes, kind of an odd divide I think, even beyond the guys with a perpetual "project car" they're always tinkering with. A 3D printer is a tool. We can all agree on that right? Its a cool and fun tool, but its a tool. I think a lot of people, just like with any tool, want to "play with" and understand it, but after that, they want to DO STUFF. Its like (and I guess there are people that do this? Maybe?) Someone has a woodworking shop, but instead of actually woodworking, they just tinker and clean the tools in their shop. That's what "3D printing as a hobby" feels like. Yes I enjoy the technical aspects of using technology, but I also want it to work so I can make the things I want to make. EDIT: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with just wanting to clean and maintain a bunch of tools as a hobby. I'm just saying its different from people who want to use the tools to do some other hobby.
I've had a Prusa MK3s since it was a MK2. Every time I've tried to change the nozzle, the hot-end would leak. Two weeks ago, I got the SV08. The assembly docs were pretty poor, but survivable. Now I don't have to carry an SD card over to the printer; I can launch jobs from my computer. I can watch how the print is going via the camera, and I'm currently printing parts that wouldn't fit on my MKSs. And it cost me about as much as my upgrade kit from MK2 to MK3. Eventually, I hope to do a tool changer on it, following what Michael from Teaching Tech channel has been doing. I don't regret buying the original MK2 or upgrading it to the MKS, I got my value from them, but it would hurt going back to one.
I have found that using a slightly different SSID for the 2.4 frequency gets rid of most problems with 2.4-only devices not connecting correctly. And as far as I can tell there are no problems created by doing this.
This is a really good review. His ability to be objective and appreciate things that he's not passionate about is refreshing. Especially in comparison to a lot of other UA-camrs who can only see a very narrow perspective. I have this printer and I love it. I am a tinkerer but I have a full-time job that is not not even remotely related to 3D printing. I do not have time to build a voron. This allows me access to a voron like machine without the drastic time or money expenditure. Do I want to build the best of the best of course, but I don't really have the time to do it, no. The one thing this printer allows me to do is volume on a level I have never understood before. I printed out the Loot studios Tavern and inn which they state has six floors and the basement. I went through about 20 kg of filament on this project. Without this printer this would not have been possible for me.
Pretty interesting machine. It definitely hits that "I want a larger build volume that isn't a bed-slinger" vibe. If it was as easy to set up and use as Bambu, I would be sorely tempted, particularly at that price point. I'm still surprised at how these 3D printer companies keep using thumb drives for everything. And even the most basic flip phone can access wifi easier than this thing. It makes me wonder why they're deliberately dumbing it down. If it's money, I'd happily pay $200 more for it if it included the better screen and just connected to wifi properly. The manual extrusion adjustment is a little annoying, too. But, like you said, this printer is probably more for those who want to tinker with the machine as much as they want to print things. Given the current price reduction on Bambu's lineup, I'm having a hard time not grabbing one, but I don't want to buy one only to find out they've finally come out with a 350mm-cubed machine 2 months later. That would really suck.
You can indeed buy this printer with the upgraded screen for about 60 bucks more, and since it's a native Klipper screen, you should just be able to connect directly from it. I don't yet own one to test that theory but I do have other Klipper printers in which it's done just as easily as Bambu. One thing you won't get, though, is the phone app.
It's kind of like a kit car instead of building one from scratch. You still have to tune them both for them to run well and learn how to operate them. For example, the display on a Voron is mostly for slight adjustments , emergency stops, and reloading of already printed files. You should be using a computer in conjunction with a Klipper based printer. Quite frankly, Fauxhammer is spot on when he said this is a 3d printer for "3d printer enthusiasts." You must like to tinker to truly get the most out of a Voron, IMO.
Very nice and honest take at the SV08. Owning one myself i can sign off everything you say - except for it is not vanilla klipper! They missed to put on the bootloaders on both the motherboard and the toolhead so upgrading is not (easily) possible. Still it's a very worthy approach to almost having a voron.
Considering I'm waiting for Teaching Tech conclude it's Sovol Multitoolhead upgrade, as well as seeing what Bambu Labs is offering in terms of it's next new Flagship model, this has certainly made me decide that unless Bambu knock it out of the park, this is likely to be my next big purchase.
Interesting and refreshing take, stands out against all the "buy this machine" videos out there. Agree on this is more for tinkerers, but it can do good prints too
absolutely adore my SV08. After cutting my klipper teeth on some clunky creality machines, the SV08 is a breath of fresh air as far as an easy to use LARGE format machine. Its no match for my Bambu's as far as ease of use or overall print quality, but its REALLY good once you understand it and tune out some of its quirks.
I certainly fall in the camp of printer enthusiast but I absolutely respect the beginning statement of I don’t know what a planetary extruder is and I have absolutely no desire to learn. We are blessed to be in an age where there are machines that require almost no FDM knowledge to use
Absolutely no problem at all. I'm not the reviewer for you and I genuinely wish more commenters out there were as understanding toward people come at these from a different angle. TLDR, I fully respect the printer for what it does, and it is solid. In fact, my step dad is loving it and has even upgraded it in a few ways. It's just not for me.
I feel your comment was a little snarkier than necessary @ThekingofBAC, though I resonate with some of the positive aspects of it. I, too, was polarized away from the uploaderat first, but decided to hear him out anyway as he was forward about his position and I am capable of critical thinking; my perspective isn't always the correct one. He made some solid points that I hadn't considered, so I'm glad I stuck around.
@@FauxHammer "It's just not for me." ... You often say something like that. The trust but seems to be, that tinkering, testing and even improving IS something for you! You just don't experience that on one printer alone ... you made a hobby out of tinkering by testing and reviewing all those machines! - Which IS tinkering but on another scale. A guy that really "just wants to print" would stay with the first printer that does this job and not even bother to upgrade to another machine let alone test others.
I feel like prusa and bambu printers serve very different users. I personally can’t go back to having to manually level and do the z-offset, but I’m happy for those that like to tinker with their printer. I do wish Bambu would make a bigger printer though
You don't have to manually level or z-offset this printer either lol, despite it being for tinkerers. The stock z offset probe is admittedly a bit crap tho
Its decent hardware, the problem is that bambu and to an extent prusa have shown us that once your hardware is to a certain level the most important things is software and UX. So with all the brands out there i will say, focus less on hardware, get sensors in there and get smarts in there.
I have often wondered what the deal is with Sovol 's own printers, seems like they are basic, but it looks like they have a lot of adaptability, i do use Sovol parts on my Ender 5 S1, i got a PEI plate that is so textured, never needed any extra adhesives for any print ever.
The SV08 is basically a single tool Prusa XL for nearly 1/4th the price. If you want size and CoreXY speed but have zero need for multi color or material this is definitely the printer for you.
So after my latest round of 3d printer upgrades. I got one of those since i wanted to replace my selfbuild fdm printer with something usable. I exclusively use this for high temperature filaments for that i added an additional print head. Otherwise i have a modified prusa 3 and a p1s. But i get it not everyone wants to get a collection 😅.
Sovol goal here is to offer a big printer for the guys who want the freedom to do wth they want with it at 100%. Sure theres some proprietary stuff. Like any 3d printer who isnt a kit like the voron, but they are willing to give to the community back and willing to listen to costumer feedback more than other brands and they win nothing monetary wise for it. Other than prusa and maybe a few other brands sovol seems to have very good intentions on wth they make
Funny you compared it to the Voron as that was my first thought when I saw the flying gantry. it's basically a voron 2.4 with a lot of pre-made parts. Otherwise, the screen is the stock recommendation for Vorons, the core-xy, 4 z motors, etc. A little sad to see that it's a pre-manufactured kit-car, basically. But most Voron owners at this point aren't buying for "easy"
i think Sovol is doing it right. we do need a more modern version of the Ender 3 for beginners interested in 3D printers to jump in. something that forces you to learn both the hardware, software, and print tuning aspects. the price is too high though. i would argue most people want to do 3D *printing* and not 3D printers
A lot of people expect 3D printing to work just like their toaster, which is why i see so many cheap 3d printers on the marketplace mislabeled as "junk" and its why Bambu lab is so successful. It makes cheap printers for me tho.
Labeling the SV08 as too expensive is really funny. Just a few years ago we would have been lucky to have this kind of printer at anything less than $1k. $600 is still a great price for this size and quality of a printer
Coming from resin printers you're probably used to the closed ecosystems that can tailor and refine the experience to "it just works." The only company that comes close to that is Bambu.
I have the feeling the "I don't know what this is and I don't want/care to know what this is or how it works" crowd is the same group that causes companies to make glued together unfixable garbage, just learn how your machine works and how to fix the thing when it needs maintenance or parts replaced, do it right and you can print for months on end without needing to do anything.
Nonsense. D9nt blame people for corporate decisions aimed at getting people to buy when they don't need to You have to realize that just like you aren't an enthusiast about everything else in your life, it's fine that people aren't 3d printer enthusiasts
@@BeefIngot I may not be enthusiastic about everything I own but I do have a reasonable understanding of how all my things operate and how to maintain and fix them. And yes it is perfectly reasonable to blame consumers for product trends because whether you think so or not you vote for your product preferences every time you make a purchase or don't make the purchase, if the average consumer didn't tolerate the premise of glued together neigh unfixable phones the companies WOULD NOT MAKE THEM.
@@FauxHammer for the better part of a century it was the expectation that you knew enough for basic work and maintenance as well as knowing what a failure sounds like, I've had extended family members who had the mentioned attitude and ended up flying off the road into a ditch because they heard a noise and kept pushing it off until it failed, had they done some basic learning they would have known how serious it was and had it fixed immediately, even if you don't do the major work yourself you should still have a understanding of its operation.
@deltacx1059 All your things eh? What os do you run? What weaves do your clothes use? What gas does your freezer take? You see the point of calling out the ridiculous statement "everything" is? Heck, What timing does your printer have between ticks? What's the length of the meltzone of your printer? What temperature do the motors stabilize at? You understand it's basic operation right? Surely it's clear why this is ridiculous.
If they get that working I am so buying one of these!! Been keeping up with their builds. Thats the main reason I want to build a voron 2.4. Its the tool changer set up.
A printer that is definitely not for me! Still, I love your content, and I agree that there are two main reasons people get into this hobby. Myself categorise it as tinkerers vs creators, but that is just semantics, it is essentially the same distinction. 🙃
this printer is more suited for people who know they will upgrade it. for a base unit, javing a flying gantry, 350 bed is amazing for the price. you can't have your cake and eat it also. for what u get. it provides A LOT
Your analogy of phones with generic Android vs Branded Android on point. Companies that brand and tweek Open source are just adding a layrer of crap that the customer, sooner or later has to remove and install and upgraded generic version or rebuy a new printer. This is and issue seldom covered by YT reviewers, It's not something they have to ever do.
Oh no you were at the end for sure! I just love your videos and all the printers I am looking at, you have the don't buy this thumbnail. I really appreciate your insight and I was really second guessing getting a printer other than my A1
Wow, the thumbnail would make one conclude you have a negative opinion on this model. However, after watching your video, it seems like you have raving reviews for this model. So which one is it?
I just don't buy the idea that not having auto tuning could ever be a plus. I think this is a turning point for open source 3d printers. Will they acknowledge that ease of use matters or relegate themselves to the niche.
Of course it can be a plus. Not only is it a learning curve for anyone that wants to know how it works, it also mostly uses physical prints so you can see the effect each setting has and yet it's still relatively impossible to get wrong. You're not learning if you're not doing it. Plus the amount of printers, especially sub-$600 ones that use cheap sensors and such things that lead to inaccurate results is off the charts. You'll never get that with a manual calibration unless you go blind halfway through. Besides, the nature of this printer being open source and upgradeable means you can give it all the automatic calibrations in the world at relatively little expense anyway.
@syko2695 I think something people really don't ask enough is "why am I learning this" Your goal isn't to know some random minutia of how the printer works. if it was, you'd have written your own firmware and machined your own hotend. I think this is a common case of an increasingly niche open source community finally being unable to match the feature of a company and so they call sour grapes and say they just didn't want massive convenience anyways. Your bit at the end I think also conflate open source with hard to use, but that just doesn't have to be the case of the Foss community stopped seeing struggle as a badge of Honor. Just a few years ago people were happy when their open source systems were _easier_ to use than commercial printers.
@@BeefIngotIf I wanted to learn how something like pressure advance works, I'd have written my own firmware? That makes no sense at all, and nobody that doesn't already know how it works would be able to do that 😅 You don't learn to read by writing a book. If you think it's an issue with keeping up, evidently you haven't seen the vast array of Vorons that more hardcore enthusiasts take pride in, as they're often capable of the ease of use you value so much whilst also outperforming most of the current market. A few years ago, most of the commercially available printers *were* open source systems. They were one and the same until everything started becoming proprietary.
@BeefIngot depending on what you do if you're just making a certain type of object fitting within optimum parameters for a specific set of materials, and not requiring significant special properties, yes you can probably get by forever in a smart ecosystem. But if you're intending to use 3d printing as a tool for purposes beyond making miniatures and small light duty gadgets (not to demean that, those are great and interesting areas) you need to develop a fundamental understanding of what it is doing to adapt it for whatever purpose. If you want to design for strength, knowing the factors that can degrade print quality (small defects are where failures begin) and how material environment and printer interact to cause those, is vital. If you want to use different materials that arent supported in those smart ecosystems, requiring different temperatures, you need to either find people who have done it to share their findings or research yourself and you can wing it to find something that works, but having an idea of what could be causing any issue you observe from experience can make adjusting a lot easier. Like there are people who "woodwork" as in buy blank pieces of veneer and laser cut them and assemble them into neat trinkets. They are experts at designing patterns for laser cutters and maybe some basic ideas of fitting laser cut pieces together. But if somebody wants to go make a piece of furniture they have to learn a lot more about both wood and how it behaves mechanically and aesthetically (things like grain, swelling due to moisture, avoiding natural defects), and how their tools interact with the wood. Even driving a car with a manual can make one think more about their driving habits and improve their behaviors.
@@syko2695 I'm distinctly aware of the latest and greatest available. My opinion isn't one from ignorance and that's the point. Ive been in the voron discord and kipper forums to see people dismiss ease of use features. Voron laughed at the idea of using nozzle probing, deeming it unreliable and unnecessary till commercial companies started doing it en masse and they still haven't caught up with the best on offer being klippy probe and Voron TAP. They don't allow discussion of heated chambers at all. They could have automated input shaping tuning but take a weird pride in manually reading the graphs to nearly no benefit. More than that, the common Voron tool heads are overweight for no good reason too. Sure there are other projects (which I think many people should be aware of) but they, while highly performant like vezbot and hevort lack ease of use as a primary goal. Lastly, You make an argument as if I'm saying it's open source vs easy to use but what I'm saying is that the open source communities elitism and dismissal of useful features are what cause this, not anything inherent.
In order for 3D printing to become "mass market" 3D printer companies have to realize - MOST people want a 3D printer to **augment** their already existing hobbies, not take on **another** complex, time consuming and highly technical hobby of building, tuning, maintaining, and otherwise faffing about with.
I wonder how many people are like me, I like printing, not printers, more interested in the end result than the hardware itself... BUT, I also don't like to exist in walled gardens, reliant on proprietary software and components, if something breaks I like the idea that I can repair it even if the company no longer supports it, prefer things that run open source, and inherently dislike devices that want to phone home and send your data to china any chance they get.
when people ask me what to buy i ask them what do you want an injet printer that you plug in and works and when it breaks you call support or do you want to learn about the methods used to make those things work... ill always suggest a bambu for those that just want an inkjet maybe creality if they like tinkering but nothin voron ect why do i have one because i like tinkering but dont like the lock down poor support of creality shit
I see it in the same vane as cooking. Some people are happy to learn to actually cook and make wonderful things from basic ingredients whereas others are more than happy to press a few buttons, walk away for a couple minutes and come back to freshly heated processed "food". They don't care about cooking, quality or nutrition. They just want food NOW and they are completely happy to place themselves entirely in the hands of someone else to provide all of the skills to provide that ability to heat. I know someone who didn't eat for 3 days when their microwave died and they had to wait for payday to buy a new one. They literally had NO IDEA how to cook without a microwave. Many people who like to 3d print are exactly the same. They only want the end result and aren't willing to put in even a sliver of effort to get it unless someone else provides a machine with a few buttons that they can press and walk away. The microwave mentality is one of the most disgusting side effects of modern society.
Bambu owners: "My Bambu is the best printer, I would never own anything else, every other printer is junk"....THEN: "Can someone help me? My printer has errors and my prints arent holding to the plate anymore"........
Can you explain? Sorry I’m not fully understanding your point? Wouldn’t they just then go to a forum or message board and learn why this is happening and resolve it? Like with any problem on any printer where the user has never encountered the issue before?
@FauxHammer My point is Bambu users do not know how to actually use a real 3d printer because Bambu is so locked down and hand holding that when something does happen (And it does, Bambu are far from flawless) these people dont know what to do. You cant even adjust Z offset on a Bambu....its locked out. Bambu are not good for first time printers...
@@anthonylong5870 I can see and respect your view on this. But at the same time, so many people have flocked to Bambu and still love them. If they have the issue you suggested, they can get support from Bambu on the issue surely. I mean, if not, there would be flocks of people dressing them down for their poor customer service. but i just don't see that half as much as i do with other brands. not even a 10th as much. They are generally more reliable machines and even experienced tinkerers are picking them up for their reliability. SO yeah, there's a lot of fun to have understanding how these things work. Just as Car enthusiasts will like to tinker with and mod their cars. But Bambu exist mostly for the people who just want to drive, and if one day an engine management light comes on or it wont turnover. They'll call a mechanic. Meanwhile, this is more of a kit car for those who want to do the playing! and that's awesome too!
Exactly the same thing with other brands owner. Even more... I went to Creality reddit and Bambu reddit. Creality reddit is full of post like you described while Bambu is full of post like "hey look the amazing thingy I just printed !" Hinting me that one brand of printer is in perpetual maintenance, while the others are enjoying printing. Bought an Artillery X1 years ago, I figured out that I spent more time tinkering it than actually printing things... Well I don't want to pay 400$ to tinker out the thing, such a printer should cost no more than 100$ as my time is precious
Admits he's not into FDM printing, then rails against learning anything about this printer, but wouldn't buy it.......less then a minute into the video and I don't care what he thinks about anything.
Absolutely fair buddy, that just means, I'm after FDM printers for a completely different reason to you and so... There's probably no value in watching... The TLDR is, it's not for me, not my audience who, like me, just want a printer to print. But I 100% understand why it;s good for people like you and much prefer Sovol's appriach to the market when compared to the likes of Creality, Elegoo and Anycubic.
The SV08 was the third Sovol printer I have used. All were great out of the box but all failed after a few months. All had massive mechanical failures that destroyed the printer. I tried to restore the SV08 by purchasing parts to replace the ones that were damaged. I never could get the printer to work again. Failure of a part followed a failure of another part. Printer is now stored in a corner of my garage.
@@syko2695 The sovol08 lost the Z axis control in the middle of a print and dug the nozzle into the print bed. I had to replace the nozzle which was bent and the print bed which was gouged. After weeks of fiddling I still can't get it to work reliably.
@@FauxHammer At the beginning, about the first 1/3 of the review is about the reviewer instead of the printer and you say multiple time that you don't like it.
@@eaman11 Pretty sure I never used those words.... In fact I specifically avoided them because the point was the printer is great, but I am not the target user for it. The reason is it about me in the beginning is so that people who can relate to my desires for a product can see the value in the printer and those who do not share this vision can stop wasting their time and watch something more in the wheelhouse of what they want. Some people however watch 1/5th of the video and form an inaccurate conclusion.
@@FauxHammer Well I watched all the the video, nice of you assuming, as you are not the target of that printer I may not be the target of your material, yet now I know a lot of what you like and very little about that printer.
@ exactly that, you may not be. If you know about my wants, and that the machine does not deliver my wants. And you don’t want the same as me, yep. I’m definately not the reviewer for you. And that’s totally fine. Lewis Hamilton and Joe Blogs would not review cars from the same angle. But they can both provide valid insight in cars for different users.
@@FauxHammer They.. well.. they kinda just don't have it. I have an SV06. Their quality is almost there.. there QC is almost there.. like a Creality clone. Bout how I would describe them. They DO get back to you and give you parts and try.. but.. its like they got to the 99 yard line and stopped. Potential, but just not quite there.
I've bought an SV08 as my fifth printer. My first printer was a dirt cheap and quite terrible kit, second one was a pre-assembled Ender 3 clone, third one was a Voron (not a kit, sourced everything myself - a Voron 0/ 0.1/ 0.2 hybrid with a belted Z axis), and the fourth one was a resin printer. I think I do know a thing or two about 3D printers at this point, and I'm quite happy with the SV08. It's exactly what it says on the tin: a mostly pre-assembled, heavily simplified Voron 2.4 clone at a great price point. It's my main workhorse these days. Though, just like all my other FDM machines, my SV08 isn't exactly stock anymore at this point.
Love the way you acknolwedge the difference of people that like 3D printers, Vs people that like 3D printing.
@@FreshOffTheBuildPlate it’s only fair to do, it’s 2 sides of the same coin, we all love the technology of 3D printing. Just different approaches
@@FauxHammer I used to be the former but as I got deeper into product design, I started leaning towards the latter. Used to build some of the early Vorons, now if I have a printer that stops working and it can't be fixed within a day, I pickup a new one from my supplier and off to the parts shack the old printer goes.
It is ridiculous to word this difference like this.
Sorry I don't want to spend more than double the amount I'm paying now for a tiny ass printer, and I actually learn what I work with.
Have fun when you need to do the same maintenance anyway and take 5x as long to do it or even learning what's wrong because you don't understand what you're doing.
I work for a makerspace and give a lot of introductions to 3d printing. I always say that I like 3d printers more than 3d printing.
"I wouldn't buy it, but I see the value" Fair
This was such a good honest review of the SV08. However, what's going on with your thumbnail 'I would NOT buy this'', it's the complete opposite of your review. I feel click baited, so that a dislike from me.
I have loved mine and have had pretty great support from Sovol with the simple issues I have had. I use mine daily without issue. I am pretty new to 3d printing though and this is my 3rd printer and best so far. Looking forward to 20 color prints with Co-Print next week.
u can build a 8 track for it for 50 and get 20 40 60 colours if u wanted
How is the loudness of your printer? I changed out the fan on the bottom which helped but the belts sound so incredibly loud
I’m looking at the SV08 for the size. I’m assuming the SV08 + open enclosure actually has the panels to enclose it? It’s listed at $709 vs $539 without open enclosure.
Is it worth it to get the extra HDMI screen?
I currently have a K1C. It’s fan is loud. But have had very few issues with it.
The K2 combo is still on back order. I’m interested in that one for the AMS. Will AMS be available for the SV08?
@@scottrichard6579 I bought the enclosure and the hdmi screen. I have yet to use the HDMI screen cause I do everything on the computer and just haven’t had time to figure it out. The machine for me is loud and I live in an apartment complex so it’s a problem. But also I don’t wanna hear a loud machine all the time. Otherwise it prints very fast and good. I’m having problems with over extrusion at the ends of the seams that I have to figure out tho.
Long-term support and the ability to upgrade are things I love about Prusa printers too. This provides a lot of value to the sort of customer who doesn't mind a *little* tinkering.
The fact that calibration is getting easier and easier makes these upgrades a real easy sell. I love my mk4.
Watch Robert Cowan's video about "long term" support from Prusa. What is considered long term support? Bad thermal design which leads to a driver dying barely a year after first print? And the support's only option is you have to buy a brand new $150 board. That's not acceptable in the current market.
@@kazolar nah, I'm good.
I have my own personal experience to rely on. I've been running my Prusa for nearly five years. I haven't needed any support whatsoever. I built it from a kit as a mk3s+, and upgrading to a mk4 was easy, rewarding, and it absolutely slaps. Huge quality of life improvements that make me love it even more.
I don't really care about the rest of the market, as I already have a Prusa and it exceeds my needs. I'm confident I'll be able to keep upgrading it for years to come, just like how one could upgrade prior models going back what, a decade? to a mk4.
@@kazolarOne person had one unlucky fault and you're using exclusively that to judge their system? People make entire print farms with Prusa because they outlast everything else 😅
You bought a Prusa MK4 or any Prusa at that?
My condolences.
@@kazolar I watched it. He seems like the kind of guy that thinks he knows more than he knows. Not that he is stupid, just a bit to eager to prematurely jump to conclusions with his diagnostics. Re-flowing was a bit of a Hail-Mary. All that poking around may have just wiggled something tight. He definitely expected Prusa to give him a free board and support after the warranty expired. Note Prusa does give after warranty support but not parts.
I got mine 2 weeks ago and I love it so far. Without turning it on I changed mcu fan for quieter one and hot end with Microswiss hi flow 0.8 nozzle. This was based on reviews I saw (not yours though). A also changed bunch of settings. Went through 4kg of filament so far, no problems.
It is serous machine for 3d printer hobbyist. I was looking at Vorons for few years, but never managed the courage or time and resources to build one. This is a very welcome shortcut. Based on what I learned so far on SV08, I might go for full DIY 3d printer.
I changed out the fan for a quieter one too but the printer is still loud. Is your printer loud too?
@@Doubletroublefursuits I've put two 24v fans in serial, so on 100% they get just 12v each and work on 50% but double the flow. So no, they are not loud. However now the part cooling fan is loudest.
@@frantzs1077 so the fans are too loud for me. It’s when the machine is moving is it super loud. Like my apartment has thick walls and is long and when I’m like on the other side of the apartment with the door closed I can hear it. When it moves it basically sounds like it’s beeping when it’s not. That doesn’t happen with yours?
Whilst this is certainly not an "it just works" style of printer, it is a massive win for the more technically involved hobbyist. It's a very good base from which you can build upon in pretty much any way you want at a third of the price of the Vorons it's based on, takes most of the original assembly out of it, and let's you focus your energy on upgrading. Fucking great bit of kit. They even donate to the original Voron project for every SV08 purchase they get. I intend to turn one into a 5 toolhead changer 😊
It's great as a tinkering printer that's cheaper then a voron and easier as well
Since the SV08 hit the market some Voron Kits have dropped massivly in price, mostly the cheaper ones with 4G not the LDO 7G kit. I got a Voron 2.4 350mm kit for 30€ less then the full encased SV08 would have costs me. With the Filament i am little over. But this will be my 4th Kit Printer i build, so i am more a "likes building 3D Printer" guy. But in my Collection is an X1C as well.
@ this is my first printer. I was looking for something that wasn’t too hard but could be tinkered with so this fit the bill. I am eyeing a rook or Voron zero once i get some experience under my belt
@@Elkarlo77Where did you source that? Here in the US a 350mm 2.4 kit would still run north of 1000 dollars with shipping and tax included ... I'd love to build a voron but really can't justify the price when I can get this for 500 bucks ish .
@@tinkeringpoko Kinda thinking along these lines too. I really want to build a voron with the tool changers. Half to a third of the price for this..... Tempting....
And that exposes, kind of an odd divide I think, even beyond the guys with a perpetual "project car" they're always tinkering with. A 3D printer is a tool. We can all agree on that right? Its a cool and fun tool, but its a tool. I think a lot of people, just like with any tool, want to "play with" and understand it, but after that, they want to DO STUFF. Its like (and I guess there are people that do this? Maybe?) Someone has a woodworking shop, but instead of actually woodworking, they just tinker and clean the tools in their shop. That's what "3D printing as a hobby" feels like. Yes I enjoy the technical aspects of using technology, but I also want it to work so I can make the things I want to make.
EDIT: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with just wanting to clean and maintain a bunch of tools as a hobby. I'm just saying its different from people who want to use the tools to do some other hobby.
I've had a Prusa MK3s since it was a MK2. Every time I've tried to change the nozzle, the hot-end would leak.
Two weeks ago, I got the SV08. The assembly docs were pretty poor, but survivable. Now I don't have to carry an SD card over to the printer; I can launch jobs from my computer. I can watch how the print is going via the camera, and I'm currently printing parts that wouldn't fit on my MKSs. And it cost me about as much as my upgrade kit from MK2 to MK3. Eventually, I hope to do a tool changer on it, following what Michael from Teaching Tech channel has been doing.
I don't regret buying the original MK2 or upgrading it to the MKS, I got my value from them, but it would hurt going back to one.
I have found that using a slightly different SSID for the 2.4 frequency gets rid of most problems with 2.4-only devices not connecting correctly. And as far as I can tell there are no problems created by doing this.
This is a really good review.
His ability to be objective and appreciate things that he's not passionate about is refreshing. Especially in comparison to a lot of other UA-camrs who can only see a very narrow perspective.
I have this printer and I love it. I am a tinkerer but I have a full-time job that is not not even remotely related to 3D printing. I do not have time to build a voron.
This allows me access to a voron like machine without the drastic time or money expenditure.
Do I want to build the best of the best of course, but I don't really have the time to do it, no.
The one thing this printer allows me to do is volume on a level I have never understood before. I printed out the Loot studios Tavern and inn which they state has six floors and the basement.
I went through about 20 kg of filament on this project.
Without this printer this would not have been possible for me.
Pretty interesting machine. It definitely hits that "I want a larger build volume that isn't a bed-slinger" vibe. If it was as easy to set up and use as Bambu, I would be sorely tempted, particularly at that price point. I'm still surprised at how these 3D printer companies keep using thumb drives for everything. And even the most basic flip phone can access wifi easier than this thing. It makes me wonder why they're deliberately dumbing it down. If it's money, I'd happily pay $200 more for it if it included the better screen and just connected to wifi properly. The manual extrusion adjustment is a little annoying, too. But, like you said, this printer is probably more for those who want to tinker with the machine as much as they want to print things.
Given the current price reduction on Bambu's lineup, I'm having a hard time not grabbing one, but I don't want to buy one only to find out they've finally come out with a 350mm-cubed machine 2 months later. That would really suck.
You can indeed buy this printer with the upgraded screen for about 60 bucks more, and since it's a native Klipper screen, you should just be able to connect directly from it. I don't yet own one to test that theory but I do have other Klipper printers in which it's done just as easily as Bambu. One thing you won't get, though, is the phone app.
It's kind of like a kit car instead of building one from scratch. You still have to tune them both for them to run well and learn how to operate them. For example, the display on a Voron is mostly for slight adjustments , emergency stops, and reloading of already printed files. You should be using a computer in conjunction with a Klipper based printer. Quite frankly, Fauxhammer is spot on when he said this is a 3d printer for "3d printer enthusiasts." You must like to tinker to truly get the most out of a Voron, IMO.
Very nice and honest take at the SV08. Owning one myself i can sign off everything you say - except for it is not vanilla klipper! They missed to put on the bootloaders on both the motherboard and the toolhead so upgrading is not (easily) possible. Still it's a very worthy approach to almost having a voron.
Considering I'm waiting for Teaching Tech conclude it's Sovol Multitoolhead upgrade, as well as seeing what Bambu Labs is offering in terms of it's next new Flagship model, this has certainly made me decide that unless Bambu knock it out of the park, this is likely to be my next big purchase.
My SV08 right out of the box prints better than my X1C and A1's. Very usable printer to me.
Interesting and refreshing take, stands out against all the "buy this machine" videos out there. Agree on this is more for tinkerers, but it can do good prints too
absolutely adore my SV08. After cutting my klipper teeth on some clunky creality machines, the SV08 is a breath of fresh air as far as an easy to use LARGE format machine. Its no match for my Bambu's as far as ease of use or overall print quality, but its REALLY good once you understand it and tune out some of its quirks.
Then it needs some finetuning. After calibration, this printer surpasses bambulabs printers in terms of printquality and speed. At least my SV08 does.
I certainly fall in the camp of printer enthusiast but I absolutely respect the beginning statement of I don’t know what a planetary extruder is and I have absolutely no desire to learn.
We are blessed to be in an age where there are machines that require almost no FDM knowledge to use
Thank you for stating your position up front. I was able to stop watching very early on and that is refreshing.
Absolutely no problem at all. I'm not the reviewer for you and I genuinely wish more commenters out there were as understanding toward people come at these from a different angle.
TLDR, I fully respect the printer for what it does, and it is solid. In fact, my step dad is loving it and has even upgraded it in a few ways.
It's just not for me.
I feel your comment was a little snarkier than necessary @ThekingofBAC, though I resonate with some of the positive aspects of it.
I, too, was polarized away from the uploaderat first, but decided to hear him out anyway as he was forward about his position and I am capable of critical thinking; my perspective isn't always the correct one. He made some solid points that I hadn't considered, so I'm glad I stuck around.
@@FauxHammer "It's just not for me." ... You often say something like that.
The trust but seems to be, that tinkering, testing and even improving IS something for you! You just don't experience that on one printer alone ... you made a hobby out of tinkering by testing and reviewing all those machines! - Which IS tinkering but on another scale.
A guy that really "just wants to print" would stay with the first printer that does this job and not even bother to upgrade to another machine let alone test others.
I feel like prusa and bambu printers serve very different users. I personally can’t go back to having to manually level and do the z-offset, but I’m happy for those that like to tinker with their printer. I do wish Bambu would make a bigger printer though
You don't have to manually level or z-offset this printer either lol, despite it being for tinkerers. The stock z offset probe is admittedly a bit crap tho
Its decent hardware, the problem is that bambu and to an extent prusa have shown us that once your hardware is to a certain level the most important things is software and UX. So with all the brands out there i will say, focus less on hardware, get sensors in there and get smarts in there.
You really don't need to worry about the software not being up to par with a Klipper system
I have often wondered what the deal is with Sovol 's own printers, seems like they are basic, but it looks like they have a lot of adaptability, i do use Sovol parts on my Ender 5 S1, i got a PEI plate that is so textured, never needed any extra adhesives for any print ever.
The SV08 is basically a single tool Prusa XL for nearly 1/4th the price. If you want size and CoreXY speed but have zero need for multi color or material this is definitely the printer for you.
im surprised you dont put some blue threadlocker on the bolts.
So after my latest round of 3d printer upgrades. I got one of those since i wanted to replace my selfbuild fdm printer with something usable. I exclusively use this for high temperature filaments for that i added an additional print head.
Otherwise i have a modified prusa 3 and a p1s. But i get it not everyone wants to get a collection 😅.
Sovol goal here is to offer a big printer for the guys who want the freedom to do wth they want with it at 100%. Sure theres some proprietary stuff. Like any 3d printer who isnt a kit like the voron, but they are willing to give to the community back and willing to listen to costumer feedback more than other brands and they win nothing monetary wise for it. Other than prusa and maybe a few other brands sovol seems to have very good intentions on wth they make
Funny you compared it to the Voron as that was my first thought when I saw the flying gantry. it's basically a voron 2.4 with a lot of pre-made parts. Otherwise, the screen is the stock recommendation for Vorons, the core-xy, 4 z motors, etc. A little sad to see that it's a pre-manufactured kit-car, basically. But most Voron owners at this point aren't buying for "easy"
They are buying it for the fact it's 3x less expensive tho lol. Sovol also donates to the Voron project for each sale the SV08 gets.
Makes me think I might get a Sovol sometime. A better printer for tinkerers than an Ender 3 it seems. Maybe a summer project.
i think Sovol is doing it right. we do need a more modern version of the Ender 3 for beginners interested in 3D printers to jump in. something that forces you to learn both the hardware, software, and print tuning aspects. the price is too high though. i would argue most people want to do 3D *printing* and not 3D printers
A lot of people expect 3D printing to work just like their toaster, which is why i see so many cheap 3d printers on the marketplace mislabeled as "junk" and its why Bambu lab is so successful. It makes cheap printers for me tho.
Labeling the SV08 as too expensive is really funny. Just a few years ago we would have been lucky to have this kind of printer at anything less than $1k. $600 is still a great price for this size and quality of a printer
Is the printer noisy especially when it has tool changer? I would like to listen the noise and its decibels.
What fdm printer that isnt from bambu that isnt really expensive would you recommend the most
Coming from resin printers you're probably used to the closed ecosystems that can tailor and refine the experience to "it just works." The only company that comes close to that is Bambu.
Prusa's ecosystem is by no means closed but it's certainly worth a mention in terms of quality
I changed out the fan for the sovol but the machine is still so loud. Anyone else have this problem or know how to solve it?
lol Ross you're killing me with this content :)
In a good way?
In a good way right?
I have the feeling the "I don't know what this is and I don't want/care to know what this is or how it works" crowd is the same group that causes companies to make glued together unfixable garbage, just learn how your machine works and how to fix the thing when it needs maintenance or parts replaced, do it right and you can print for months on end without needing to do anything.
Nonsense.
D9nt blame people for corporate decisions aimed at getting people to buy when they don't need to
You have to realize that just like you aren't an enthusiast about everything else in your life, it's fine that people aren't 3d printer enthusiasts
I probably shouldn’t own a car then?
@@BeefIngot I may not be enthusiastic about everything I own but I do have a reasonable understanding of how all my things operate and how to maintain and fix them.
And yes it is perfectly reasonable to blame consumers for product trends because whether you think so or not you vote for your product preferences every time you make a purchase or don't make the purchase, if the average consumer didn't tolerate the premise of glued together neigh unfixable phones the companies WOULD NOT MAKE THEM.
@@FauxHammer for the better part of a century it was the expectation that you knew enough for basic work and maintenance as well as knowing what a failure sounds like, I've had extended family members who had the mentioned attitude and ended up flying off the road into a ditch because they heard a noise and kept pushing it off until it failed, had they done some basic learning they would have known how serious it was and had it fixed immediately, even if you don't do the major work yourself you should still have a understanding of its operation.
@deltacx1059 All your things eh? What os do you run? What weaves do your clothes use? What gas does your freezer take? You see the point of calling out the ridiculous statement "everything" is?
Heck, What timing does your printer have between ticks? What's the length of the meltzone of your printer? What temperature do the motors stabilize at? You understand it's basic operation right?
Surely it's clear why this is ridiculous.
TeachingTech is making this printer into a tool changer.
Seen it, so cool!!!
If they get that working I am so buying one of these!! Been keeping up with their builds. Thats the main reason I want to build a voron 2.4. Its the tool changer set up.
You can make the printer silent when idle, just modify configuration file.
I thought I added that as a caption. Sorry
I would have bought this instead of the k1 max if I knew better.
A printer that is definitely not for me! Still, I love your content, and I agree that there are two main reasons people get into this hobby. Myself categorise it as tinkerers vs creators, but that is just semantics, it is essentially the same distinction. 🙃
this printer is more suited for people who know they will upgrade it. for a base unit, javing a flying gantry, 350 bed is amazing for the price. you can't have your cake and eat it also. for what u get. it provides A LOT
Agreed. It’s a great bit of kit. I have it to my stepdad and he had upgraded it in 3 ways before the week was out!
my print bed is the most warped POS I have ever used If there was more coverage of this I probably would have skiped this
Check out the mods for the sv08 on printables from Nadir. His tophat design is leagues above sovols enclosure offer.
I gifted this to my Step Dad, and that design looks like the one he printed.
"I enjoyed the movie very much. I was just wondering, did you ever consider having more horses in it?"
"Well, we would have liked to. But it was difficult, obviously, being set in space"
later or sooner you will encounter problems (they are machines) so learning is endless especially 3d printing/printer area.
12:03 not full Klipper
Years ago, I made the mistake of buying the SV01 and the shit I went through ensured that I'll never touch that manufacturer again.
This may change your mind… may
Your analogy of phones with generic Android vs Branded Android on point. Companies that brand and tweek Open source are just adding a layrer of crap that the customer, sooner or later has to remove and install and upgraded generic version or rebuy a new printer. This is and issue seldom covered by YT reviewers, It's not something they have to ever do.
Dang bro. Do you like any printers 🤣 I've seen your videos on like 4 or 5 that I have been looking at
Yeah man. I like this one…. Was that not clear? Did you miss the conclusion?
Oh no you were at the end for sure! I just love your videos and all the printers I am looking at, you have the don't buy this thumbnail. I really appreciate your insight and I was really second guessing getting a printer other than my A1
@@Bluecommando10 it’s not bad, my stepdad is still using it
@FauxHammer awesome. I love the footprint and it's core XY. Not to many big build areas with core XY construction.
@@Bluecommando10 especially at this price? the only thing i don;t know yet is longevity
Its hard to beat this volume/speed/price combo.
There is issues with this printer but .......
Wow, the thumbnail would make one conclude you have a negative opinion on this model. However, after watching your video, it seems like you have raving reviews for this model. So which one is it?
I think he loves it but wouldn't recommend it because there are easier options for the average person
I just don't buy the idea that not having auto tuning could ever be a plus. I think this is a turning point for open source 3d printers. Will they acknowledge that ease of use matters or relegate themselves to the niche.
Of course it can be a plus. Not only is it a learning curve for anyone that wants to know how it works, it also mostly uses physical prints so you can see the effect each setting has and yet it's still relatively impossible to get wrong. You're not learning if you're not doing it. Plus the amount of printers, especially sub-$600 ones that use cheap sensors and such things that lead to inaccurate results is off the charts. You'll never get that with a manual calibration unless you go blind halfway through.
Besides, the nature of this printer being open source and upgradeable means you can give it all the automatic calibrations in the world at relatively little expense anyway.
@syko2695 I think something people really don't ask enough is "why am I learning this"
Your goal isn't to know some random minutia of how the printer works. if it was, you'd have written your own firmware and machined your own hotend.
I think this is a common case of an increasingly niche open source community finally being unable to match the feature of a company and so they call sour grapes and say they just didn't want massive convenience anyways.
Your bit at the end I think also conflate open source with hard to use, but that just doesn't have to be the case of the Foss community stopped seeing struggle as a badge of Honor.
Just a few years ago people were happy when their open source systems were _easier_ to use than commercial printers.
@@BeefIngotIf I wanted to learn how something like pressure advance works, I'd have written my own firmware? That makes no sense at all, and nobody that doesn't already know how it works would be able to do that 😅 You don't learn to read by writing a book.
If you think it's an issue with keeping up, evidently you haven't seen the vast array of Vorons that more hardcore enthusiasts take pride in, as they're often capable of the ease of use you value so much whilst also outperforming most of the current market.
A few years ago, most of the commercially available printers *were* open source systems. They were one and the same until everything started becoming proprietary.
@BeefIngot depending on what you do if you're just making a certain type of object fitting within optimum parameters for a specific set of materials, and not requiring significant special properties, yes you can probably get by forever in a smart ecosystem.
But if you're intending to use 3d printing as a tool for purposes beyond making miniatures and small light duty gadgets (not to demean that, those are great and interesting areas) you need to develop a fundamental understanding of what it is doing to adapt it for whatever purpose. If you want to design for strength, knowing the factors that can degrade print quality (small defects are where failures begin) and how material environment and printer interact to cause those, is vital. If you want to use different materials that arent supported in those smart ecosystems, requiring different temperatures, you need to either find people who have done it to share their findings or research yourself and you can wing it to find something that works, but having an idea of what could be causing any issue you observe from experience can make adjusting a lot easier. Like there are people who "woodwork" as in buy blank pieces of veneer and laser cut them and assemble them into neat trinkets. They are experts at designing patterns for laser cutters and maybe some basic ideas of fitting laser cut pieces together. But if somebody wants to go make a piece of furniture they have to learn a lot more about both wood and how it behaves mechanically and aesthetically (things like grain, swelling due to moisture, avoiding natural defects), and how their tools interact with the wood. Even driving a car with a manual can make one think more about their driving habits and improve their behaviors.
@@syko2695 I'm distinctly aware of the latest and greatest available. My opinion isn't one from ignorance and that's the point.
Ive been in the voron discord and kipper forums to see people dismiss ease of use features.
Voron laughed at the idea of using nozzle probing, deeming it unreliable and unnecessary till commercial companies started doing it en masse and they still haven't caught up with the best on offer being klippy probe and Voron TAP.
They don't allow discussion of heated chambers at all.
They could have automated input shaping tuning but take a weird pride in manually reading the graphs to nearly no benefit.
More than that, the common Voron tool heads are overweight for no good reason too.
Sure there are other projects (which I think many people should be aware of) but they, while highly performant like vezbot and hevort lack ease of use as a primary goal.
Lastly, You make an argument as if I'm saying it's open source vs easy to use but what I'm saying is that the open source communities elitism and dismissal of useful features are what cause this, not anything inherent.
In order for 3D printing to become "mass market" 3D printer companies have to realize - MOST people want a 3D printer to **augment** their already existing hobbies, not take on **another** complex, time consuming and highly technical hobby of building, tuning, maintaining, and otherwise faffing about with.
I agree for my use case, but I understand that people like to tinker with these just like people like to mod their cars
I wonder how many people are like me, I like printing, not printers, more interested in the end result than the hardware itself... BUT, I also don't like to exist in walled gardens, reliant on proprietary software and components, if something breaks I like the idea that I can repair it even if the company no longer supports it, prefer things that run open source, and inherently dislike devices that want to phone home and send your data to china any chance they get.
I'd love to have that in 3d printing, like the framework laptop or the old phones with interchangeable batteries
Anycubic S1
Oh the Clonebra X1?! Saw it this weekend. Will have one soon!
Because it's awesome 👍. At least mine is ...
when people ask me what to buy i ask them what do you want an injet printer that you plug in and works and when it breaks you call support or do you want to learn about the methods used to make those things work... ill always suggest a bambu for those that just want an inkjet maybe creality if they like tinkering but nothin voron ect why do i have one because i like tinkering but dont like the lock down poor support of creality shit
I see it in the same vane as cooking. Some people are happy to learn to actually cook and make wonderful things from basic ingredients whereas others are more than happy to press a few buttons, walk away for a couple minutes and come back to freshly heated processed "food". They don't care about cooking, quality or nutrition. They just want food NOW and they are completely happy to place themselves entirely in the hands of someone else to provide all of the skills to provide that ability to heat. I know someone who didn't eat for 3 days when their microwave died and they had to wait for payday to buy a new one. They literally had NO IDEA how to cook without a microwave. Many people who like to 3d print are exactly the same. They only want the end result and aren't willing to put in even a sliver of effort to get it unless someone else provides a machine with a few buttons that they can press and walk away. The microwave mentality is one of the most disgusting side effects of modern society.
Bambu owners: "My Bambu is the best printer, I would never own anything else, every other printer is junk"....THEN: "Can someone help me? My printer has errors and my prints arent holding to the plate anymore"........
Can you explain? Sorry I’m not fully understanding your point? Wouldn’t they just then go to a forum or message board and learn why this is happening and resolve it? Like with any problem on any printer where the user has never encountered the issue before?
@FauxHammer My point is Bambu users do not know how to actually use a real 3d printer because Bambu is so locked down and hand holding that when something does happen (And it does, Bambu are far from flawless) these people dont know what to do. You cant even adjust Z offset on a Bambu....its locked out. Bambu are not good for first time printers...
@@anthonylong5870 I can see and respect your view on this. But at the same time, so many people have flocked to Bambu and still love them. If they have the issue you suggested, they can get support from Bambu on the issue surely. I mean, if not, there would be flocks of people dressing them down for their poor customer service. but i just don't see that half as much as i do with other brands. not even a 10th as much.
They are generally more reliable machines and even experienced tinkerers are picking them up for their reliability.
SO yeah, there's a lot of fun to have understanding how these things work. Just as Car enthusiasts will like to tinker with and mod their cars. But Bambu exist mostly for the people who just want to drive, and if one day an engine management light comes on or it wont turnover. They'll call a mechanic.
Meanwhile, this is more of a kit car for those who want to do the playing! and that's awesome too!
Exactly the same thing with other brands owner. Even more...
I went to Creality reddit and Bambu reddit.
Creality reddit is full of post like you described while Bambu is full of post like "hey look the amazing thingy I just printed !"
Hinting me that one brand of printer is in perpetual maintenance, while the others are enjoying printing.
Bought an Artillery X1 years ago, I figured out that I spent more time tinkering it than actually printing things... Well I don't want to pay 400$ to tinker out the thing, such a printer should cost no more than 100$ as my time is precious
@xFlowXxX Funny i just looked at Bambus support wiki....few thousand posts there not "enjoying printing" 🤣
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If it’s Making money it’s not a hobby, it’s a taxable job
Admits he's not into FDM printing, then rails against learning anything about this printer, but wouldn't buy it.......less then a minute into the video and I don't care what he thinks about anything.
Absolutely fair buddy, that just means, I'm after FDM printers for a completely different reason to you and so... There's probably no value in watching... The TLDR is, it's not for me, not my audience who, like me, just want a printer to print. But I 100% understand why it;s good for people like you and much prefer Sovol's appriach to the market when compared to the likes of Creality, Elegoo and Anycubic.
Yeah but to be fair, there's printer's you recommend that I wouldn't buy. It's about what you like, not what others want
Yeah, that was the point…
I don't care. 😂
damn first print looks ROUGH and terrible.
It’s fine for out if the box in a machine at this price
The SV08 was the third Sovol printer I have used. All were great out of the box but all failed after a few months. All had massive mechanical failures that destroyed the printer. I tried to restore the SV08 by purchasing parts to replace the ones that were damaged. I never could get the printer to work again. Failure of a part followed a failure of another part. Printer is now stored in a corner of my garage.
What on earth did you do to them? 😅 I've never had a printer last less than a year
Kept going back, eh?
@@syko2695 The sovol08 lost the Z axis control in the middle of a print and dug the nozzle into the print bed. I had to replace the nozzle which was bent and the print bed which was gouged. After weeks of fiddling I still can't get it to work reliably.
@@jimshafer970 Lost control? As in the motor slipped?
@@MumrikDK Yeah, I keep looking for a large format printer that works to work alongside my bambu lab X1c.
Wild: that printer does a good 11 minutes benchy with a 350mm bed and the guy doesn't like it!
Pretty sure I said I do like it! in fact, I love it... At what point did you stop watching before youmade this conclusion...
@@FauxHammer At the beginning, about the first 1/3 of the review is about the reviewer instead of the printer and you say multiple time that you don't like it.
@@eaman11 Pretty sure I never used those words.... In fact I specifically avoided them because the point was the printer is great, but I am not the target user for it. The reason is it about me in the beginning is so that people who can relate to my desires for a product can see the value in the printer and those who do not share this vision can stop wasting their time and watch something more in the wheelhouse of what they want.
Some people however watch 1/5th of the video and form an inaccurate conclusion.
@@FauxHammer Well I watched all the the video, nice of you assuming, as you are not the target of that printer I may not be the target of your material, yet now I know a lot of what you like and very little about that printer.
@ exactly that, you may not be. If you know about my wants, and that the machine does not deliver my wants. And you don’t want the same as me, yep. I’m definately not the reviewer for you. And that’s totally fine.
Lewis Hamilton and Joe Blogs would not review cars from the same angle. But they can both provide valid insight in cars for different users.
Sovol lacking BIG TIME
Lacking? How so?
@@FauxHammer They.. well.. they kinda just don't have it. I have an SV06. Their quality is almost there.. there QC is almost there.. like a Creality clone. Bout how I would describe them. They DO get back to you and give you parts and try.. but.. its like they got to the 99 yard line and stopped. Potential, but just not quite there.
Why do so many people LOVE THIS PRINTER! Simply because they don't know a sh*t about 3D printers and love to be scammed.
What’s the scam? The brand are very straight about what this is..?
That's a delusional take
I've bought an SV08 as my fifth printer. My first printer was a dirt cheap and quite terrible kit, second one was a pre-assembled Ender 3 clone, third one was a Voron (not a kit, sourced everything myself - a Voron 0/ 0.1/ 0.2 hybrid with a belted Z axis), and the fourth one was a resin printer. I think I do know a thing or two about 3D printers at this point, and I'm quite happy with the SV08. It's exactly what it says on the tin: a mostly pre-assembled, heavily simplified Voron 2.4 clone at a great price point. It's my main workhorse these days. Though, just like all my other FDM machines, my SV08 isn't exactly stock anymore at this point.
What can you say? Haters are gunna hate.