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  • Why We Switched from an AIO to Air Cooling...
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  • @zeron3699
    @zeron3699 4 роки тому +605

    Paul: We ignored those warnings and now we're paying the price.
    Channel intro: EXCELLENT!

    • @lucianofz788
      @lucianofz788 4 роки тому +2

      lol they got a cheat AIO thats what you get whrn you are a smartass

    • @samithranramesh
      @samithranramesh 3 роки тому

      Thats broken

    • @cdh1337
      @cdh1337 3 роки тому

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @pandemicneetbux2110
      @pandemicneetbux2110 2 роки тому

      He just needed to lock that drive in the basement with no support like some sort of SSD Fritzl until it promised to behave better.

  • @jackielinde7568
    @jackielinde7568 4 роки тому +790

    Paul, I don't know what Steve at Gamer's Nexus is going to be more disappointed with: The fact you didn't take his advice about THAT AIO... or that you're adding RGB fans to Joe's case.

    • @blze0018
      @blze0018 4 роки тому +58

      Knowing Steve: yes.

    • @djctrldesign
      @djctrldesign 4 роки тому +3

      Both

    • @cbysmith
      @cbysmith 4 роки тому +11

      I think he dislikes the software, not so much the rbg.

    • @I_am_Allan
      @I_am_Allan 4 роки тому +3

      @Dee Bee I watched a couple of his videos, and had to block his channel from being recommended ... he's just so fuckin' annoying.

    • @WeeManXL
      @WeeManXL 4 роки тому +64

      @Dee Bee He did more good for the community than us altogether. Maybe: be humble, just a little bit.

  • @Kris__dk
    @Kris__dk 4 роки тому +48

    I appreciate you for not leaving out the little mistake mounting the fans the wrong way. 👍🏼 Be well and prosper 🖖🏼

  • @Caligulove
    @Caligulove 3 роки тому +67

    The other reason I'm going air over an AIO: As a person who already deals with anxiety isues, that's one (or two or three) things that I won't have constantly at the back of my mind.

    • @ChrisDecrease
      @ChrisDecrease 3 роки тому +1

      Amen! Anxiety's a B!

    • @darkatlantian
      @darkatlantian 3 роки тому

      Preach it man.

    • @FordSierraIS
      @FordSierraIS 2 роки тому +2

      i dont understand. what is there to worry about? ive had aio since 10years and never heard about one leaking.

    • @mikem9536
      @mikem9536 Рік тому +1

      @@FordSierraIS Guess you get out much.

  • @Kenjionigod
    @Kenjionigod 4 роки тому +256

    The most shocking thing from this video is that ADATA has a laptop.

    • @samithranramesh
      @samithranramesh 3 роки тому

      Yeahhhhhhhhhhh

    • @arashitempesta
      @arashitempesta 3 роки тому +2

      and cases and psus too!, bought a case for a build recently and I gotta say its pretty solid, Im waiting for steve to review it. And the PSUs seem solid too considering its in the PSU tier list and quite high there

  • @Blak1Jak1
    @Blak1Jak1 4 роки тому +136

    What if Joe sabotaged his machine because he missed Paul?

  • @SIGNALacquired
    @SIGNALacquired 4 роки тому +24

    Water Cooling has minimum of THREE moving parts: Radiator Fan, Water Pump, Coolant fluid
    Air Cooling has minimum of ONE moving part: Fan.
    Air Cooling wins due to less moving parts, which leads to less maintenance.

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому +3

      Any good air cooler will even work when fan dies. Most coolers are capable of passively keeping the CPU from overheating.

    • @sheppycider123
      @sheppycider123 3 роки тому

      How often is this an issue though? I honestly would imagine, and certainly for me, my only concern would be the gunk build up because I would presume it wouldn’t have an issue for like 10yrs

    • @The93Momo93
      @The93Momo93 3 роки тому +1

      @@sheppycider123 depends on your environment and fan speed but in general you only need to clean it like every 1-2 years which is not that bad and a good duster usually gets rid of everything, you don't even have to do a total disassembly, in all my life I only had one cpu fan die on me after like...constant 10 year use lol (originally was my pc then I handed it down to my father who just used it for web surfing)

    • @NoneofyourBusiness-gy9yw
      @NoneofyourBusiness-gy9yw Рік тому +1

      @@sheppycider123 if what you bought is from china as in a china brand and manufactured in china, its not gonna last you 10 years no way. that i can assure you. you want the least chance possible for failure with water cooling and china brands just don’t build that kind of confidence.

    • @sheppycider123
      @sheppycider123 Рік тому

      @@NoneofyourBusiness-gy9yw 2 years ago bro 😭 but I hear you, ended up getting a new laptop in the meantime and a 2nd hand desktop a few weeks ago

  • @gj4178
    @gj4178 4 роки тому +8

    Hard not to love Paul's outlook and optimism. Keep it up, man.

  • @fancyobsession1803
    @fancyobsession1803 4 роки тому +55

    My D14 still rocking after 9 years!

    • @noahneutral7557
      @noahneutral7557 4 роки тому +5

      Fancy Obsession I have a D15 in one of my systems for nearly four years and I love it. They make great coolers!

    • @tommihommi1
      @tommihommi1 4 роки тому +8

      and noctua will send you mounting hardware for new sockets if necessary for free, just can't beat that

    • @GrandPrix46
      @GrandPrix46 4 роки тому

      Same fan?

    • @matsigh
      @matsigh 4 роки тому

      @@GrandPrix46 Probably. I've got some 7 or 8 year old Noctua fans still running great, they're beasts

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому

      @@tommihommi1 Old ones as well! I had X58/LGA1366 and they sent out compatible mounting kit free of charge!
      I thought it was a long stretch to ask for a first generation intel kit but it seems like Noctua has the best customer care in the whole industry!

  • @tarfeef_4268
    @tarfeef_4268 4 роки тому +14

    Yep, client of mine switched to the dark rock pro tr4 (from the 280 liqtech). All I've heard is happiness from that. They almost missed having a project ready for a meeting because of the failure, thankfully I had a temporary asetek unit to let them run their PC while we waited for the new parts.
    Definitely put a bad taste in my mouth for enermax (but a nice chance to prove my support chops I guess)

  • @jack-xf6il
    @jack-xf6il 4 роки тому +3

    Hi Paul, I wanted to thank you for your videos. They helped me get the courage to build my first PC, which I completed yesterday. The worst bit was multiple delays in various deliveries, but it's all up and running now :)

  • @jonq8714
    @jonq8714 3 роки тому +84

    Liquid cooling looks cool, but for me air cooling works perfectly fine.

    • @teebo5298
      @teebo5298 3 роки тому +8

      I prefer something smaller than a massive brick

    • @kermitrooseveltferkelroose9537
      @kermitrooseveltferkelroose9537 3 роки тому +4

      ja i have
      Deepcool ASSASSIN III and overlocked cpu not more than 50 degrise and in prime 60 -65 :D soooolid

    • @kermitrooseveltferkelroose9537
      @kermitrooseveltferkelroose9537 3 роки тому +1

      idle 35 :D

    • @minhthang13394
      @minhthang13394 3 роки тому +3

      4 years ago, i saved 100$ for a Corsair 240rad AIO, used it for 3 months and go back to air cooling up to now.
      Clearly if u often upgrade things inside or changing case many times, AIO is not a good options, beside when u need to change thermal sinks.
      This is my opinion but i really love ajr cooling more than AiO, easy install and more efficiency.

    • @FoxzyD009
      @FoxzyD009 2 роки тому

      @@teebo5298 me too but any chance of leak would worry me

  • @waffle911
    @waffle911 4 роки тому +273

    "when you get burned… or… wetted…?… by water cooling…"
    The word you're looking for is "hosed"

    • @TMan-wj5qw
      @TMan-wj5qw 4 роки тому +8

      H.O.S.E.D Horrendous Operating System Error Detected...just saying

    • @rhobson
      @rhobson 4 роки тому +4

      Underrated comment! :D

    • @matz1011
      @matz1011 3 роки тому

      No, it's excellent

    • @jamesmcmahonii8433
      @jamesmcmahonii8433 3 роки тому

      Moist

  • @KarnSkymasters
    @KarnSkymasters 4 роки тому +141

    Installing the two fans on the wrong side was an ultra-realistic builder's moment we can all identify with

    • @tryeasy1634
      @tryeasy1634 4 роки тому +1

      P. Doherty then you haven’t built enough pc’s

    • @mephInc
      @mephInc 3 роки тому +4

      @P. Doherty
      Clicking "buy" with mommies credit card doesn't count.

    • @ikjadoon
      @ikjadoon 3 роки тому +3

      UA-cam comments: toxic gatekeeping for everyone, even on the most wholesome channels.

    • @ikjadoon
      @ikjadoon 3 роки тому +6

      P. Doherty Spoken like a grade-C troll. Be better, friends.

  • @gamertrem1884
    @gamertrem1884 4 роки тому +9

    I'm actually really curious to see what Steve finds in this one. That air cooler really does look great though. Beautifully designed!

  • @jd31068
    @jd31068 4 роки тому +10

    That nervous laugh of Paul when Joe wanted to keep the spot on the case for some character was incredible.

  • @tekhCHEK
    @tekhCHEK 4 роки тому +26

    Always making me laugh
    Paul: Hey, come see me. I got what you need.

  • @MrInstinctGamer
    @MrInstinctGamer 4 роки тому +33

    Joel the real one, decent cable mangemant upfront and then SSDs thrown about, an honest to God relateable moment.

  • @kepler1175
    @kepler1175 4 роки тому

    Love the way that cooler looks so much. Fits right with the lighting on the graphics card

  • @hopefulmonsters4407
    @hopefulmonsters4407 4 роки тому +1

    I love that case! Great airflow, quality, and features.

    • @FriedChairs
      @FriedChairs 4 роки тому

      I’m building a computer with it now. The GPU is the last piece I’m waiting on. Love the case so far though. It’s been a long time since I built a desktop computer and cable management is so much easier than it used to be.

  • @100ccSuperRat
    @100ccSuperRat 4 роки тому +100

    I been through the AIO failing. too much $ for more headaches. I saved my money by buying Noctua and not buying excedrin

    • @kahashikun
      @kahashikun 4 роки тому +8

      Bought Noctua and never looked back.

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому +10

      Bought Noctua and couldn't be any happier!(Well I'd like to add chromax fans with red corners and some fancy top covers for it).
      I have X58 so i emailed them and they sent out the mounting kit in 22 days without requiring me to pay any duties or delivery charges(I live in Pakistan where no delivery is free except for Pizzas).

    • @Dirtyboxer1
      @Dirtyboxer1 4 роки тому +8

      my Noctua won't fit in my case. it's about 1mm too tall. i can close the case with it installed, but it'll cause the motherboard to flex. i'm back to using the stock AMD cooler until I decide on an alternative. i'm leaning towards a new case.

    • @maYdaY1337
      @maYdaY1337 4 роки тому +3

      I'm still using my trusty old Arctic Cooling (Yes - they were still called Arctic Cooling back than) Freezer 13 Pro CO air cooler i bought with my i7 2600k ... Never had any issues and it's still quieter than the GPUs i had over the years.

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому

      @@Dirtyboxer1 +1 on getting a new case.

  • @goatee01
    @goatee01 4 роки тому +12

    Here I am with my Corsair H100 thats still going after over 8 years of daily use

  • @xucongzhan9151
    @xucongzhan9151 3 роки тому +1

    That Threadripper RGB light effect looks really awesome!

  • @Gavrev
    @Gavrev 4 роки тому

    For some reason that cooler looks particularly sweet in that build. Nice one guys!

  • @carlod803
    @carlod803 4 роки тому +11

    For a beefy boy, that installation sure is more convenient and more easy than 99% of the HSF out there.

  • @evo7836
    @evo7836 4 роки тому +29

    I recently switched from a custom loop to an all air set up and I couldn't be happier.

    • @karaloop9544
      @karaloop9544 4 роки тому +5

      I'm just the other way around. 20-30 degrees lower and silent to boot. Love it. :)

    • @evo7836
      @evo7836 4 роки тому +11

      @@karaloop9544 I honestly just got tired of maintaining it and also the added cost of new GPU blocks every time I wanted to upgrade. I have a closet full of WC stuff.

    • @ShinobuBlade
      @ShinobuBlade 4 роки тому

      @@evo7836 just use distill water mines still fine after a year

    • @avx7
      @avx7 4 роки тому +3

      I know air coolers are more reliable but it's too much of a personal aesthetic for me. I don't like how any air cooler looks. On a side note, if you're selling your closet full of stuff, I'd love a link to your eBay listing. I'm always upgrading or changing my set up.

    • @karaloop9544
      @karaloop9544 4 роки тому +2

      @@evo7836 I see, maybe that's me in the future, who knows. :) I'm new to water cooling because my new processor is running hotter than anything before it, ever. Forced my hand, so to speak. I'd have loved a closet full of wc stuff because it's a major PITA to start from zero. With all this gear at least you have the option to setup a loop in the future if it strikes your fancy again.
      I only have the CPU water cooled, so I can skimp out on the GPU blocks. I definitely see the appeal of almost no maintenance though, coming from Noctua towers that served me well.

  • @Kingjay814
    @Kingjay814 4 роки тому +2

    I personally like the look of big air coolers. In my eyes this is a nice upgrade.

  • @70ixlr86
    @70ixlr86 3 роки тому +1

    OMG Paul vacumes inside the case! Thought I was nuts for wanting to, and doing so for years. Various brushes and a can of compressed air with it ofc.

  • @leviathanpriim3951
    @leviathanpriim3951 4 роки тому +79

    Wendell from Level1Tech has a vid on replacing the enermax aio coolant, the design is good but the factory coolant is not that great.

    • @klemmonade
      @klemmonade 4 роки тому +5

      I mean Paul should know that seeing as he's wearing Wendell's shirt.

    • @adamsteelproducer
      @adamsteelproducer 4 роки тому +1

      Yeah, but from the context of this video- it being the editor’s working machine- they needed a solid solution as soon as possible. Replacing the coolant seems like a cool idea, but a lot of messing around and time spent that they didn’t have in this case.
      Could make for a good future video though!

    • @qq4fun
      @qq4fun 4 роки тому +7

      That removes the reason for getting an AIO in the 1st place, most people want to set it and forget it

    • @GrandPrix46
      @GrandPrix46 4 роки тому +8

      @VanillaCoke I don't think anyone expects them to last "forever", not even an air cooler will do that. But I think everyone expects them to last longer than 3-6 months, lol.

    • @siriusargus6766
      @siriusargus6766 4 роки тому +2

      My old enermax 240mm aio lasted about 3.5 years before gunking up.
      Thats respectable for a 70€ AIO
      But at this Point, im not gonna buy any of their stuff Till they sort out their shit

  • @iandalonso
    @iandalonso 4 роки тому +9

    I switched a few years ago back to air cooling. I got caught up in the hype that AIOs were the best thing ever and didn’t realize that air coolers are just so much easier to deal with and have almost the same performance.

    • @mikem9536
      @mikem9536 Рік тому

      With 2 air ducts, air coolers can easily keep up with AIO's.

  • @mat1130
    @mat1130 3 роки тому

    Hey, love the videos dude super informative! Just one question. What is the program you use to test temps and speeds etc?

  • @xDownSetx
    @xDownSetx 4 роки тому +1

    I noticed the trend on the Liqtech AIOs and tore mine apart early enough to catch it just as the corrosion started. One thing I'll give to Enermax, that is one easy to service AIO. I did a complete flush and refill with 50/50 premix and it has been great the past two years.

  • @nightna4205
    @nightna4205 4 роки тому +42

    Enermax Aio dies so quickly, GamersNexus covered this topic.
    I've bben using corsair aio and never had problem personally

    • @Trigg3rHippie
      @Trigg3rHippie 4 роки тому +6

      I've been through 2 Corsair AIO Hydro, currently rocking an NZXT Kraken X73. No problems with any of them.

    • @inhocsv7663
      @inhocsv7663 4 роки тому +4

      I've had my H105 in my rig for the past 5 years and it still runs like a champ.

    • @GrandPrix46
      @GrandPrix46 4 роки тому +2

      Same here, 2 systems, one with an H100i and another with H115i. No issues.

    • @TheDeeplyCynical
      @TheDeeplyCynical 4 роки тому +3

      Been running an H80i since early 2014, running perfectly

    • @lv100togepi4
      @lv100togepi4 4 роки тому +1

      Trigg3rHippie good luck with the kraken. The one I bought died in 2 months and the replacement I got through rma died in 3. Hope it doesn’t happen to you

  • @Danmandingo
    @Danmandingo 4 роки тому +158

    *Noctua says a Chromax version of their u12a, is due out later this year.* 😎

    • @deedas
      @deedas 4 роки тому +4

      Just in time for me to have to replace my second Liqballs, err, I mean Liqtech AIO.

    • @ironhead2008
      @ironhead2008 4 роки тому +4

      I have the Chromax version of the D15. Looks sick with red noise dampening bumpers!

    • @SeeTheWholeTruth
      @SeeTheWholeTruth 4 роки тому +2

      What about the Ice Giant ProSiphon Elite?!

    • @thegamingwolf8755
      @thegamingwolf8755 4 роки тому

      Nice would that new Noctua version be AM4 ready as well?

    • @Sleepless4Life
      @Sleepless4Life 4 роки тому +2

      They've been saying that for two years now. IT'S HAPPENING!!! Glad it's finally hitting production, those brown/beige colored fans ain't looking to good in my all black set up. Still the best at cooling and airflow tho, I'll gladly spend money again just to change color. You can't go wrong with Noctua. Best of the best at what they do.

  • @Rayzor714
    @Rayzor714 4 роки тому

    Paul, love all the work you, Joe and the others do. My question is what is the model # of the vacuum you use to clean up the dust.

  • @gavinboulton6878
    @gavinboulton6878 3 роки тому

    Great video! Enjoyed watching, keep up the good work.

  • @qrogueuk
    @qrogueuk 4 роки тому +8

    I've looked at different options for cooling over the years and even though, water cooling has it's + or - sides. My latest build with an 3950x, has the plug and play (and mostly forget about it, reliability wise) NH-D15.

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому

      What motherboard do you have and is the D15 obstructing much?

    • @qrogueuk
      @qrogueuk 4 роки тому +4

      ​@@zarmaanful I looked at a few options for parts and picked a mix. I was happy with and would fit my needs and budget.
      Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master, NH-D15 (dual fan), Vengeance RGB pro (2x32=64GB -3600Mhz), MSI-RX 5700 XT 8GB Gaming X, 2x-MP510 1.9TB NVMe (Boot & games), 1x8TB internal HDD (for storage) - 4x8TB external HDD (for backup), Define R6, Gunmetal (no window).
      As for how, the NH-D15 effect some parts:
      I had move the fan above the ram slots, up a few fins on the NH-D15, as the RGB strip was touching it (low profile, non RGB would have required no movement). The fan still doesn't touch, the case side panel when closed.
      Not much space between, the MSI-GPU back plate (2.75x slot card = 297 x 58 x 140 mm) and the bottom of the NH-D15. I can't get my finger's between them to press the retaining latch/clip and the first PCI-E slot. But can use, a plastic trim tool or flat head screw driver to open and close it. if I need to remove/re-seat the GPU or access the 2 the NVMe slots/drives (currently in use) or remove the NH-D15.
      Air flow not a problem on the R6 (currently) 3x140 + 1x120 intake and only 3x140 exhaust (not 4, due to an 5.25 optical drive).
      I've not done a manual O/C the system and let the CPU/MOBO (PBO) take care of that. Boost up-to 4.7 on 2 cores, between 4.3-4.5 on the rest when gaming/streaming(OBS), benching (prime95, Cinebench, etc). I've not seen the system hit over 80C under load, so far and we had a few warm (30c - 85F) days, with no air-con.
      Hope that helps

  • @Synkotic90
    @Synkotic90 4 роки тому +29

    I had an AIO in my old system. It still works 5 years later tbf.
    My mate had one, it broke after 2 years. I'd rather take an air cooler. The performance and acoustics are basically the same but if your fan fails worst case scenario you buy an new one for 15 bucks and stick it on.
    Your AIO breaks and you're out of a motherboard. Possibly more.

    • @sc0or
      @sc0or 3 роки тому

      Acoustic level is not the same because air cooler reacts to CPU load rapidly, while water one has few minutes before temperature raises.
      If you take a coper pump and a coper radiator you will never see such corrosion. This is a fact for an elementary school

    • @BigChungusRedditElite
      @BigChungusRedditElite 3 роки тому +1

      @@sc0or you do realize as soon as the water heats up from load that point is moot right?
      Fans only rev up and down to load if you don't have a proper fan curve set, this applies to fans on radiators as well.

    • @OutOfNameIdeas2
      @OutOfNameIdeas2 3 роки тому

      Be quiet air coolers are quieter than most aio

    • @marcosundah4698
      @marcosundah4698 3 роки тому

      AIO breaks= rip gpu and mobo

    •  3 роки тому

      @@marcosundah4698 I think you mean cpu.

  • @eac8858
    @eac8858 4 роки тому +2

    Really enjoyed this very helpful !!!!

  • @shark808
    @shark808 4 роки тому

    Great vid, thanks... just one thing made me wondering: wouldn't it be a good idea to get rid of the unused drive cage(s) to improve the air flow for the new air cooler ;-)

  • @tongey1
    @tongey1 4 роки тому +11

    This is one of the reasons why I will NEVER consider a liquid cooler! I bought a Noctua NH-D14 around 6 years ago. While it is a behemoth of cooler, man does it keep my CPU cool. I currently have an i7-4770K. I have absolutely no reason to overclock and the Noctua is nearly silent :)

    • @orlandoalvarez1504
      @orlandoalvarez1504 4 роки тому +2

      Liquid coolers are expensive and they need a lot of maintenance.

    • @KainArkanos
      @KainArkanos 4 роки тому

      You won't consider liquid cooling because they decided to put in a cooler that everyone has complained about everywhere and it failed. K.

    • @mrrgb4954
      @mrrgb4954 4 роки тому

      Over lock my bro. Free performance. Also consider replacing the thermal paste

    • @erikheijden9828
      @erikheijden9828 4 роки тому

      @@orlandoalvarez1504 there is no maintenance on aio watercoolers. Whem they go bad they must be replaced.

    • @metalvideos1961
      @metalvideos1961 4 роки тому +1

      I have the 4790K with a noctua NH-U14S. No oc yet. But cools my cpu perfectly.

  • @owenjones8608
    @owenjones8608 4 роки тому +4

    points of failure are a good way to express my avoidance of AIO and I found a good deal on a Be Quiet III for my build instead.

    • @SherLock55
      @SherLock55 4 роки тому +1

      @mister.T Jr No it's not solved, all AIO's will fail it's just a matter of time. They might not leak but the pump will eventually give way. Why bother when a good air cooler will do the job just as well and will never fail apart from the fan which is easily replaced.

    • @neoasura
      @neoasura 3 роки тому

      @@SherLock55 This exactly, I've had 2 Corsair AIOs fail over the years, yet my "cheap" air coolers are still going strong even in my older systems from a decade ago. I won't go back to AIOs anymore.

  • @serca7848
    @serca7848 4 роки тому

    Paul, your videos are so soothing. Thank you.

  • @johntotten4872
    @johntotten4872 4 роки тому +1

    Been an AIO user for over 10 years now. I have had 2 pump failures in that time (Maybe 8 or 9 AIO). It really hit home when my sons AIO failed and he lives across the country from me. So now I have made the switch to Air coolers for all my builds.

  • @Gamevet
    @Gamevet 4 роки тому +19

    Paul: Look at all this dust!
    Camera pans over to Joe with his marijuana t-shirt.

  • @C4mpblor
    @C4mpblor 4 роки тому +3

    I'd ditch those two drive cages at the top. Get more airflow to the hench cooler

  • @LuckyArmpit
    @LuckyArmpit 4 роки тому

    Tasteful RGB on that RYZEN air cooler. A purpose built machine for sure. Great video and sending a shoutout to Joe - He's da bomb. Both of you, keep up the great work!

  • @jessco8950
    @jessco8950 3 роки тому

    I have that same case but in black and I absolutely love it. When I built my last pc it was between that case and the lan cool 2 but I couldn’t find the lan cool in stock anywhere so after like 2-3 weeks I finally gave up and got the phantek. Very happy with my decision I love the “silent” mode with all the panels on

  • @advil000
    @advil000 4 роки тому +8

    I've never been a fan of liquid cooling. When in doubt, a Noctua D15S is still the "cool anything as well as a dual fan AIO" air cooler. My 3900x stays just fine on it, and no chance of pump failure. Obviously for the Threadripper, you have to go with what you can get that's huge and fits.

    • @jeffdaman6969
      @jeffdaman6969 4 роки тому

      This. Never wanted to deal with liquid anything in my computer. Thankfully I never have to.

    • @mikeschimminger7886
      @mikeschimminger7886 3 роки тому

      For 13 years I've done nothing but custom loops in my personal rig and never once had an issue. No pump failures, no leaks....nothing. Give it a try, much more rewarding than putting a boring air cooler in and calling it a day.

    • @Bellissima2k
      @Bellissima2k 3 роки тому

      @@mikeschimminger7886 Yeah give it a try...until it fails day and u end up replacing $1000 worth of parts.

  • @johnthomasjacobs
    @johnthomasjacobs 4 роки тому +13

    0:36 Where can I get ahold of this wallpaper?
    XPG Mera is what I ended up finding, the wallpaper is noice

  • @chrisshaw7468
    @chrisshaw7468 4 роки тому

    Great video Paul !! Keep up the good work !

  • @davidb3272
    @davidb3272 4 роки тому

    Great Job Paul!!!! I recently upgraded my computer and switched to air cooler due to case size. Cooler appears to be working but the RGB part is not. Will take that out and check wires when I have some extra time.

  • @huntertran5422
    @huntertran5422 3 роки тому +7

    Love how UA-cam reccomended shows me this right after I bought an h100i for my 3900x.

    • @Jacob-ct7hc
      @Jacob-ct7hc 3 роки тому +3

      h100i is a decent AIO tho, Corsair generally makes decent kit, my h100i has been going on strong near 5 years now.

    • @jpthsd
      @jpthsd 3 роки тому +1

      @@Jacob-ct7hc yep,,,most of my Corsair AIO've been working great, oldest one 6 years old!!

    • @lividfiend
      @lividfiend 3 роки тому

      Got my H100i i 2013 and its still going strong now. Gave it a brush down with anti static brushes and its still good.

    • @cashmoneypwns
      @cashmoneypwns 3 роки тому +1

      Same thing with Corsair AIO. I found out the tubes need to be inverted or vertical from the pump, up to the reservoir. It went from 89c at max load to 63c at max load. 32c at idle.

  • @austin.t5557
    @austin.t5557 4 роки тому +12

    A good air cooler can last you a lifetime. I have a friend who has had and used the same Noctua NH-D14 for 10 years, other then requesting new mounting brackets from Noctua from a Core 2 Quad to his 9600K same cooler but better performance then when he got it.

    • @XerxezsX
      @XerxezsX 3 роки тому +3

      I have the cheapest Intel cooler that came with my i5 2300 and have had it for 6 years, almost 7 and it's not going to fail anytime soon👍

  • @witzed1
    @witzed1 4 роки тому

    Hi Paul, thanks for the build mods. What apps to you use to measure clock rate, temps, and performance?

  • @PerfectCode
    @PerfectCode 4 роки тому

    Yeah, what vacuum was used here to clean the dust filters and what exactly is used to clean the thermal paste off the CPU at 7:19? Thanks if anyone knows.

  • @SodaiGoku
    @SodaiGoku 4 роки тому +35

    Looks like that machines cooling system caught the Rona 😆

  • @masterchief5437
    @masterchief5437 4 роки тому +3

    5:28 Feels nice watching things be clean!

  • @theTechNotice
    @theTechNotice 4 роки тому

    What liquid were you using to clean the cpu? 🤔

    • @AmanMutreja
      @AmanMutreja 16 днів тому

      It's Isopropyl Alcohol which contains over 99% pure alcohol which evaporates leaving behind no residue even if it gets inside the pins.

  • @cadosbeene
    @cadosbeene 3 роки тому

    See you vacuum the dust filter was so satisfying.

  • @CCISolitude
    @CCISolitude 4 роки тому +43

    Given the improvement in air coolers these last few years, i think my current build is the last one that will be water cooled. I can easily think of other ways to spend the money!

    • @martinw245
      @martinw245 4 роки тому +8

      Rob Emyrs.
      It's not the last few years. Air cooling has been a great choice for 9 years. Since the NH-D14 came out.

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому

      Rocking a D15. thats a 7 year old design i think yet is one of the best performers still.

    • @maYdaY1337
      @maYdaY1337 4 роки тому +1

      Air cooling hasn't really changed that much. Even 10 years ago you could have bought a thicc boi air cooler that cooled a 2600k @4.7GHz down easiely. Even fans haven't got significantly quieter since then.

    • @CCISolitude
      @CCISolitude 4 роки тому +3

      @@maYdaY1337 I think you're possibly a little out of touch with air coolers? They've evolved quite a bit in the last decade; not just the fans, but the nature and quality of the entire ensemble. Material technologies, heat piping, liquid within the heat pipes, arrangement and density of fins. I'll grant you, individually they may not be overwhelming - but combined as a complete package? It's quite substantial.

    • @mikeschimminger7886
      @mikeschimminger7886 3 роки тому

      Air cooling is meh. It works but its boring. Half the fun of a custom loop is planning it and putting it all together...dont get that with a boring air cooler.

  • @brandonunger1689
    @brandonunger1689 4 роки тому +5

    Perfect example of why I just go air cooling on my rigs.

  • @WarHawk-
    @WarHawk- 3 роки тому

    An absolutely great video that I enjoyed watching immensely. The only thing that struck me as odd was checking the CPU temps and declaring everything a success, before the chassis was reassembled. Proper air flow cannot be judged until all the side panels have been put back on.

  • @Startower86
    @Startower86 4 роки тому

    That is a fine looking rig. Even if aesthetics wasn't the goal, that air cooler really made it look like it was.

  • @lividfiend
    @lividfiend 3 роки тому +9

    Been lucky my H100i has been in for 7 years and temps still perfectly fine but I do have an old system with a 4770k cpu. Pc is always on and rarely is turned off.

    • @lobo3695
      @lobo3695 3 роки тому +1

      I also had a water cooling that I was using for eight years and cero problems, I think the failures of it only depends on if you are lucky or not.

    • @sean152
      @sean152 3 роки тому

      Same on a 4790k (6.5yr). Won't even throttle on the balanced setting, so it never gets loud.

    • @sam17577
      @sam17577 3 роки тому

      I really hope I get lucky with my h150i 😭

  • @moxbroker
    @moxbroker 3 роки тому +101

    3 months later, after installing a RTX 3000 series: Why we swapped back to AIO.

    • @Mrx1080
      @Mrx1080 3 роки тому +12

      unlikely.

    • @Just_a_Tool
      @Just_a_Tool 3 роки тому +3

      @@Mrx1080 I think he meant it being a big card and not fitting with the air cooler. It's possible.

    • @draco89123
      @draco89123 3 роки тому +2

      @@Just_a_Tool The 3080 seems to run very hot, so the added performance of water systems may make a bigger difference. Or at least we'll need more GPU favored airflow.

    • @axtra9561
      @axtra9561 3 роки тому

      @@draco89123 3090

    • @mokhaleel585
      @mokhaleel585 3 роки тому

      Exactly

  • @wolwerine0007
    @wolwerine0007 4 роки тому +1

    Fully Agree !!! AIR Cooling Rocks and most importantly is dependable. Liquid Cooling is always prone to leaks, down the line and is not dependable in the long run.

  • @sodaft
    @sodaft 4 роки тому

    I did exactly the same thing. Swapped my AIO to my old Thermalright silver arrow and it's perfect. I've stopped worrying about the leaks.

  • @BeeWhere
    @BeeWhere 4 роки тому +23

    A I Omg. I live slightly in fear of my AIO failing one day. I have an old 120mm Corsair H70 on my 3570k, but my next build I'm going Noctua.

    • @jackielinde7568
      @jackielinde7568 4 роки тому +5

      If it makes you feel better, I have a Corsair h100i dead on my coffee table. It lasted about 8ish years before going tits up end or march. Threw "CPU Fan Errors" to the motherboard, so system wouldn't boot.
      My next build (later this year) I'm going to try a custom water loop because I've never done that, and I need challenges to keep me fresh. (Never did one before. Yeah, I know where to buy those blue shop towels. Yeah, I know I'm crazy. I have the internet handle to prove it.)

    • @user-Cata7sti7ma7
      @user-Cata7sti7ma7 4 роки тому +3

      Cryorig R1, Phantek PH-TC14PE , Deepcool Assassin 3, *Exist*
      Just to give equally viable alternatives.

    • @twofacepalmer1212
      @twofacepalmer1212 4 роки тому +6

      Had a 7 year old H50 go out and start leaking onto my motherboard. Luckily none of the whitish fluid damaged anything the mother board. Got a fan on it now but will be sticking with air cooling on new build.

    • @HapsterHap
      @HapsterHap 4 роки тому +4

      My Corsair H60 has been trucking for 6 years with no issue.

    • @pivotguy196
      @pivotguy196 4 роки тому +4

      my H70 is still trucking cooling a 3770k@4.3 after 7 years

  • @jameshighsmith892
    @jameshighsmith892 4 роки тому +44

    Should have opened up the AIO to see if it was all gunked up like GN or if it was something else wrong

    • @johncarlodelacruz2617
      @johncarlodelacruz2617 4 роки тому +19

      he indicated that there's no time for that in this video

    • @georgemorley1029
      @georgemorley1029 4 роки тому +1

      7:04 pay attention

    • @eYeZiQ
      @eYeZiQ 4 роки тому

      @@georgemorley1029 He didn't specify if those shots were from other teardowns, or from this specific one...

    • @ikjadoon
      @ikjadoon 3 роки тому

      @@eYeZiQ the teardowns at 2:44 are from Gamers Nexus, not Paul.

  • @jaechung5415
    @jaechung5415 4 роки тому +1

    Love that Paul leaves in that minor mistake of screwing in the fans on the wrong side. Makes me feel better that even the pros make mistakes and isn't scared to share that with us instead of editing it out. Just thought it was a humble gesture by good guy Paul.

  • @Mark-ye8ro
    @Mark-ye8ro 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this insightful video!

  • @jordibt1789
    @jordibt1789 4 роки тому +3

    hardware Unboxed tested this exact CPU cooler and found it to be the bottom of the barrel of the TR4 specific coolers, when it comes to sound and perfonrmance, yet still a upgradem somehow

    • @soupwizard
      @soupwizard 4 роки тому +1

      I think this is a field repair job, get the pc up and running with a TR4 cooler that's hanging around. Later they can do another video with an air cooler like a Noctua NH-D30X which replaces the case side panel with a cooling fin stack and a 300mm fan

    • @wisico640
      @wisico640 4 роки тому

      @@soupwizard is that noctua cooler you're talking about made up or a real thing that is comming tho? :o

    • @degeneratepervert6255
      @degeneratepervert6255 4 роки тому

      I replaced my Wraith Ripper with an NH-U14S TR4-SP3 (catchy name, Noctua) a week ago. Massive upgrade. At full synthetic load I maintain an all-core clock of 3.6-3.7GHz with my 2950X. The wraith ripper was a one way ticket 3.2GHz or lower.

  • @larry62301
    @larry62301 4 роки тому +36

    You have thoroughly convinced me to NEVER try liquid cooling. Great video.

    • @user-Cata7sti7ma7
      @user-Cata7sti7ma7 4 роки тому +7

      Its 1 AIO that have this issue... Generalizing every AIO for 1 maker that do shit is terrible.

    • @retrogamer33
      @retrogamer33 4 роки тому +1

      Same here

    • @SirQuacks
      @SirQuacks 4 роки тому +3

      I’ve run an aio for years with no issue. It’s just this enermax model that has this issue.

    • @denziiey
      @denziiey 4 роки тому +1

      i bought a deepcool castle 360 EX and i love it. low temps and they have anti leak technology and a good rep. Just do your research. There's a lot of memes on Enermax one being the infamous "my time has come" for processors.

    • @Ravenousjoe
      @Ravenousjoe 4 роки тому +7

      @@SirQuacks no, there have been plenty of failures over time of all sorts of AIOs. If a pump fails, you lose 99% of your cooling, if it leaks, you potentially brick your entire system, and over time, they do weep liquid. Fan fails on an air cooler? you throttle a bit, and your PC gets quiet and it is pretty noticeable when it fails. Super easy to replace a fan, not super easy to get any money for replacement parts from AIO manufacturers if it is out of warranty and kills your system.
      So again, no it isn't "just this enermax model that has this issue", others have had similar and equally catastrophic issues.

  • @upintheclouds1337
    @upintheclouds1337 4 роки тому

    Watching you smudge the pre-applied thermal paste was pleasantly cathartic. I can't even seem to remove a heatsink from the box without wiping some of that junk on the plastic case that's supposed to protect it, at the very best.

  • @neliogoncalvessilva
    @neliogoncalvessilva 4 роки тому

    Great stuff as always Paul!!!!!

  • @elvisg7
    @elvisg7 4 роки тому +7

    I got to be honest, I'm surprised that it wasn't a D15 that replaced the aio.

    • @infi84
      @infi84 4 роки тому +4

      there is no D15 for TR4

    • @elvisg7
      @elvisg7 4 роки тому +2

      @@infi84 Didn't know that, thank you. At the pace Noctua work at, they'll probably release a TR4 compatible D15 in about 6 years.

    • @user-Cata7sti7ma7
      @user-Cata7sti7ma7 4 роки тому +2

      Bequiet have a TR4 Dark rock 4 x)

    • @irridiastarfire
      @irridiastarfire 4 роки тому +1

      Noctua's biggest TR4 cooler is the "NH-U14S TR4-SP3" (catchy name!) and seems quite good. noctua.at/en/nh-u14s-tr4-sp3

  • @Mercstar
    @Mercstar 4 роки тому +34

    Years ago when liquid cooling became a thing I thought to myself "You'd have to be a moron to put liquid in your PC."
    I still stand by that comment.

    • @NotLemont
      @NotLemont 4 роки тому +3

      same

    • @Sombra.
      @Sombra. 4 роки тому +2

      same

    • @mattakudesu
      @mattakudesu 4 роки тому +2

      Same

    • @user-Cata7sti7ma7
      @user-Cata7sti7ma7 4 роки тому +2

      Its 1 AIO(from enermax) from all other one that have no issue after more that 6 years.
      Terrible to generalize everythink cause of 1 terrible cooler.
      ua-cam.com/video/7VzXHUTqE7E/v-deo.html
      Gamers nexus is a fair more objective opinion.

    • @ChineseWinnie
      @ChineseWinnie 4 роки тому +2

      @@user-Cata7sti7ma7 why would you ever pick liquid cooling over air?

  • @vh9network
    @vh9network 4 роки тому

    Paul I'm glad you used the Wraith Ripper, it's the most under talked about Wraith air cooler.
    But that motherboard and RAM with that TR4 CPU screamed to me that it needed a nice big clear water block.

  • @johnmoricone8797
    @johnmoricone8797 4 роки тому

    Great video.. Building new computer and switching from Corsair AIO (it's been great these past 4 years) but am choosing to go with air cooling for new build myself (Noctua NH-14D)

  • @Makr0ss
    @Makr0ss 4 роки тому +6

    The vacuum cleaning part is so satisfying

    • @GeekFromPH
      @GeekFromPH 4 роки тому +1

      Why did he used a vacuum rather than a compressed air?

  • @luizarthurbrito
    @luizarthurbrito 4 роки тому +78

    I've never had an aio, and I'll never have one. It doesn't seem to be reliable.

    • @cbysmith
      @cbysmith 4 роки тому +13

      They are, but the lifespan is more limited, and there are those additional points of failure...pump, seals, etc.

    • @luizarthurbrito
      @luizarthurbrito 4 роки тому +56

      @@cbysmith if that's not the definition of unreliable, idk what is. I've had the same air cooler for 5 years, and I bet it won't fail soon. (And the only maintenance I do is blowing it once a year with my breath).

    • @MirelRC
      @MirelRC 4 роки тому +7

      Yeah. I prefer custom water cooling or a good air cooler over any AIO, doesn't matter which AIO it is.

    • @harsimransingh615
      @harsimransingh615 4 роки тому +11

      @@MirelRC yup either go FULL water cooling or just go air cooling. I don't know why the AIOs.

    • @Plane.
      @Plane. 4 роки тому

      Nzxt kraken's are pretty reliable and they have a good warranty on them

  • @rexyoshimoto4278
    @rexyoshimoto4278 4 роки тому

    Good Video. I did the same thing. Switch from water cooling to air cool simply because it started to gunk. But this was on a machine built in 2013. I replaced it with the Artic Freezer 33e sports one. It wasn't the coolest air cooler but was about 3 to 5c within the water cooler's range. Not bad.

  • @mattiashedman8845
    @mattiashedman8845 4 роки тому

    Had the exact same issue this past week, with my Fractal Celsius S24 starting to acting up. So I swapped it for a air cooler too.

  • @johnpena599
    @johnpena599 4 роки тому +93

    Lowkey want to know what vacuum that is 😂

    • @Kingjay814
      @Kingjay814 4 роки тому +1

      It looks like it's a Shark Navigator. I saw that because the handle looks a lot like mine just in a different color.

    • @plazmicflame
      @plazmicflame 4 роки тому +1

      I’m dying to know this answer!!

    • @TheEchelon
      @TheEchelon 4 роки тому +1

      Vacuum isn't that important, that bristle attachment is the interesting thing and many vacuum brands/models have those.

    • @scottc2455
      @scottc2455 3 роки тому +13

      "Lowkey" most useless word/words ever.

    • @alvinshaw33
      @alvinshaw33 3 роки тому +7

      I thought vacuuming you pc was a bad idea.?

  • @thomas.becker
    @thomas.becker 4 роки тому +34

    15:10 NO I/O-SHIELD ! WTF ?!

    • @russelledgar9097
      @russelledgar9097 4 роки тому +14

      They forgot about the brace! Lul

    • @Trigg3rHippie
      @Trigg3rHippie 4 роки тому

      Yeah, wow.. Also there is a lot of stuff missing from the back of that case.

    • @ph0roggy
      @ph0roggy 4 роки тому +4

      IO shields are mainly for cosmetics. The worst you'll get from no IO shield is probably just a little dust 👍

    • @zarmaanful
      @zarmaanful 4 роки тому +10

      @@ph0roggy I know what i am gonna say is probably the most bizzare and one in a trillion scenario but here it goes:
      I had a system with no IO shield sitting on floor then one day i heard noises so i investigated and it turned out a rat made its home/food cache in it.
      Was a weird surprise when i pointed the torch on the front panel and saw the little dudes cute little face.

    • @ph0roggy
      @ph0roggy 4 роки тому +3

      @@zarmaanful this is awfully cute and wholesome
      my day has been made

  • @iron-gamerstv
    @iron-gamerstv 4 роки тому

    Ive been very lucky with the Enermax liqfusion 240 I have...... so far. I keep an eye on temps just in case. I've been hearing about the dreaded gunk build up on these coolers. AND what vacuum is that Paul? I use a shop vac and blow out mines but I love the little brush on this.

  • @celeschan90
    @celeschan90 3 роки тому +4

    I see you are vacuuming dust. I heard doing that may damage components because of an electromagnetic field that forms while doing that. So is this a special type of vacuum cleaner or...?

    • @achilleaustin4477
      @achilleaustin4477 3 роки тому

      There is no electromagnetic field being produced by the end of a vaccuum cleaner

    • @LithicKing
      @LithicKing 2 роки тому

      it can generate static electricity. its fine to vaccum your dust filters and the outside of the case, but its not recommended to vacuum inside the case or to touch any pcb while doing so.

    • @celeschan90
      @celeschan90 2 роки тому +1

      @@LithicKing I see, thank you for the heads up!

  • @Ponchere11o
    @Ponchere11o 4 роки тому +4

    does anyone else have a problem with the amount of SSDs that are unmounted in Joe's case?

    • @achu-7941
      @achu-7941 3 роки тому

      nah mate, it's only you.

  • @georgschulz8143
    @georgschulz8143 3 роки тому

    I can't believe how big the threadripper is! And the installation is so easy. Too bad I got a new pc just half a year ago, a motherboard with threadripper would of definitely been an interesting option for me.

  • @xanderuk2
    @xanderuk2 4 роки тому

    Enjoyed this one, cheers guys

  • @theuglydumpling4772
    @theuglydumpling4772 4 роки тому +13

    the struggle is real
    wearing glasses and wearing a mask

    • @cliffs1965
      @cliffs1965 4 роки тому

      Yes! The damn glasses fog up even when it's 25 °C outside🙁

  • @johnperish
    @johnperish 4 роки тому +17

    That cooler up against the gpu is giving me massive anxiety lol

    • @StudioBrock1337
      @StudioBrock1337 4 роки тому +3

      It's fine. The bracket is what's holding the cooler and is extremely unlikely to fail. I've seen a motherboard warp but only because a screw or two got loose. Even then the cooler hardly moved downward.
      Besides that GPU doesn't appear to have any extra support so in a year it'll have sagged away from the cooler.
      That should be the anxiety inducing part, really.:P

    • @christopherfortineux5421
      @christopherfortineux5421 4 роки тому +1

      You would be surprised that the wraithripper isnt as heavy as people make it out. Been using one since they came out. Zero sag zero problems.

    • @neoasura
      @neoasura 3 роки тому +1

      I would have more anxiety having an AIO radiator filled with liquid hanging above my components.

    • @ikjadoon
      @ikjadoon 3 роки тому

      I agree, esp. for heat reasons. CPUs get hot and GPU backplates get hot. But, hopefully they've checked the numbers and there weren't any issues.

  • @JonathanDeane
    @JonathanDeane 4 роки тому +1

    I feel like water cooling is nice but also high maintenance. I always just go with a nice air cooler. My last build I did one of those Chinese Snowman coolers and have to say I am impressed with it.

  • @mrmidnight32
    @mrmidnight32 3 роки тому +1

    4:10 who else thought he was playing with/showing is the swinging door feature of the case? I didn’t realize it was stuck 😂

  • @jerryruiz3857
    @jerryruiz3857 3 роки тому +5

    Wears mask for to stop diseases from transmitting. Leaves blood on friends case

  • @AlphaMachina
    @AlphaMachina 4 роки тому +6

    Forced GPU sag. CPU cooler is all, "HEY, TOUGH GUY, THIS IS MY AREA. GET OUTTA HERE!"

    • @Dirtyboxer1
      @Dirtyboxer1 4 роки тому

      He may not have had one available, but the Noctua cooler is a bit more compact and still hits the cooling numbers.

  • @darxustech2883
    @darxustech2883 3 роки тому

    That cooler airflow arrangement seems elegant. How is it for cleaning and replacing the fan?

  • @michaelwhisman2479
    @michaelwhisman2479 4 роки тому

    A little thing I learned with my own system. Having the backside of the GPU that close to the CPU Cooler can cause issues. I have an EVGA 1080Ti Kingpin Card that I had RMA'd in less than a month, then was having degraded performance after a few months on the new replacement card. My temps in HW monitor were "OK" 70s-80s C depending on what I was running. Granted my 7700K is running @ 5.1GHz 1.42V, I did not think too much of this though being delidded. I was using the Noctua NH-D15 and had the same clearance as you showed in an ITX board/case that I cut to add a couple fans and removed the plexiglass from the side panel after drilling holes in it for more airflow. It was my first time overclocking anything, and I overclocked everything learning through trial and error; so user error is definitely a factor. It was not until I looked into the EVGA software that I noticed even though the GPU die temp was 80C, the backside of the GPU was 99C. Got a GPU stand and PCIe extension turned my case on its side and mounted the GPU like a shark fin. Immediately my CPU temps dropped to 60s C on a sustained load, with 75C being the occasional max. GPU was still in the 70s and after the confidence of re-applying the thermal paste on the GPU (which was much less daunting than I initially felt), my GPU never goes over 60C. Unfortunately, Z270 did not allow for a CPU upgrade. Fortunately, my CPU still runs @5.1GHz 24/7, and a lot more experience for when I get a chance to build a new system.

  • @Abteilol
    @Abteilol 4 роки тому +13

    "its pretty packed with stuff"
    where? i can parallel park a semi in there.