What Does a $700 Motherboard Have that a $200 Motherboard Doesn’t?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- What Does a $700 Motherboard Have that a $200 Motherboard Doesn’t?
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Very expensive $700 motherboards exist, but what special skills do these highest-end mobos have that the unwashed masses with their $150-$200 motherboards are missing out on? I explore this very question in this very video.
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0:00 Intro
0:41 Sponsor: Team DARK Z DDR4 Memory
1:06 Video M.O. and Mobo Price Ranges
2:36 AMD Mobo Pricing & Availability
4:46 INTEL Mobo Pricing & Availability
6:55 USEFUL: 10Gb NIC
8:45 USEFUL: M.2 Add-On
11:00 USEFUL: Advanced Cooling
12:24 USEFUL: Best-in-class Power Delivery
15:37 USEFUL: LED-lit Audio Jacks
17:11 SITUATIONAL: Water Cooling Stuff
18:52 SITUATIONAL: Lighting/Aesthetic Panels
19:24 SITUATIONAL: Backplates / Design
20:42 BAD: “High-end” Audio
21:44 BAD: System Info LED Panel
22:27 BAD: Sub-10Gbit NIC
22:43 USEFUL Features that Don’t Cost $700+
24:35 Closing Thoughts
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0:00 Intro
0:41 Sponsor: Team DARK Z DDR4 Memory
1:06 Video M.O. and Mobo Price Ranges
2:36 AMD Mobo Pricing & Availability
4:46 INTEL Mobo Pricing & Availability
6:55 USEFUL: 10Gb NIC
8:45 USEFUL: M.2 Add-On
11:00 USEFUL: Advanced Cooling
12:24 USEFUL: Best-in-class Power Delivery
15:37 USEFUL: LED-lit Audio Jacks
17:11 SITUATIONAL: Water Cooling Stuff
18:52 SITUATIONAL: Lighting/Aesthetic Panels
19:24 SITUATIONAL: Backplates / Design
20:42 BAD: “High-end” Audio
21:44 BAD: System Info LED Panel
22:27 BAD: Sub-10Gbit NIC
22:43 USEFUL Features that Don’t Cost $700+
24:35 Closing Thoughts
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$30 H110 master race
I would say a worthwhile feature to shop for (especially for VFIO users) is PCI-Express Slots. If you are going with a high-end Ryzen chip on a VFIO setup, it can be helpful to have a few 16x slots (one or two for your KVMs, one for your host OS) since iGPUs aren't present on high-end processors.
Hey Paul, nice video... the new MSI boards don't need a clear CMOS button in the back. It is even better when computer is off hold the power button for 5 seconds than power on and it's reset... this is Eric from "Not Bios"
What motherboard would you recommend for gaming that don't have wifi 6 on the board ? i don't like wifi was looking at the ASUS motherboards
I remember back in 2012 when $150 motherboards had what $400+ now... q-flash, dual bios, post code, power an reset, bios switch.
Yup my $150 z77 had a lot more features than my $180 X570 board.
@@darklink2000 My z77x-ud3h was an actual beast. Oced my 2500k up to 4.7ghz with the hyper 212 for 6 years, then i sold that system.
Inflation. We've pumped tens of trillions into the economy since then thereby causing the insane price increases. They will never go back down.
@@dakoderii4221 We are not talking about inflation here, mate. Back my non-high end motherboard had what only top tier mobs have now.
What's worst about this is that today is probably a lot cheaper and faster to mass produce motherboards, yet these artificial market segmentations keep getting worse and prices keep getting higher... Ridiculous.
Who tf is buying these 1000 dollar motherboards anyway? I bet it's the same people that buy Ferraris so they can ride slow and dodge every pothole in the street
Guys are gonna be like "oooh, I need to get a 10Gb/s NIC" then plug it into their 150Mb/s cable internet.
God I would kill for 150mbit Internet. Although I hope that next year I can rock 200mbit over Glas fiber.
watching ppl commenting with 3mbps internet :3
@@Knallteute its such a good feeling to upgrade from crappy 4mbps internet to 250mbps. Like, it makes things 10000x faster if you use your computer a lot.
@@Knallteute you don't need fiber for 200. fiber starts at gigabit up/down, i'm using it, it's actually pretty affordable.
@@synthlord9544 here we get fiber with different contracts. We took the one with 200 as it was the cheapest.
Going from a budget mobo to a midrange:
Prefitted I/O shield blew my mind 😂
I'm in the exact opposite end, my latest mobo had a prefitted IO shield that made installing the thing into the case a 20 minute wrestling match trying to not bang the board on the standoffs or bend it too much.
I literally left my Io off my pc so I can reach inside and check my CPU thermals manually XD the jankiest of the jank. One day imma electrocute myself lol
@@TheDarkness344 oh yeah 12 volts dc, very scaryy
@@DarkoPetreski lol who knows XD a lot of amps can be dangerous but the resistance of my hand is high enough that I should be fine - more the heat to be worried about XD if I was running an FX chip my hands would be on fire lol
I paid 270 dollars for my motherboard and didnt get an included iOS sheild
"In a world without flashlights.....ASUS brings LED audio jacks."
For only 700.00 dollars.
A few years ago I installed small a fe white LED’s to light up the back of my case. By having light available when you need it a is very helpful .
Now with dollar store LED pucks it very easy to place them where you some much need light.
And the funny bit is you don't need it - all modern sound cards have jack auto detection so you can plug your microphone in any jack and then either let sound card auto switch it, or you can manually say what's connected in that jack.
i only got USB Thunderbolt 3, Aura, $500 Deluxe board.
i needed the X!
My Aorus Master has gold jack rings, so I would have been extremely happy if they had LEDs inside. Instead, super tiny print that's hard to read unless you're right up against it. I ended up just using the manual to refer to.
@@phydeux I drilled tiny holes all over the backplate going around the usb ports and taped a small strip of leds powered by a molex connector to the back side....i have an inverted motherboard in a Raven case the back of the MB is at the top of the case. works great for pluging in stuff in the dark. Now after watching this i might have to see if I can rig something up to make my soundcard jacks glow. I also use linux now so I can use both the built in audio and my sound card , I can also reassign what the jacks do with a free opensource program. I currently have 4 different surround sound speaker sets fed into my cards for 12.4 surround....its not perfect but it sounds good at medium volume.
Multi BIOS chips are handy for overclockers.
if they have a switch to toggle the bios, looking at you gigabyte
I won’t buy a board without one anymore unless I absolutely have to. It has saved my butt so many times
@@monkeyplayer1 but new motherboards can flash bios from a USB drive with no display and no CPU
If they don't have an actual toggle switch, no. It's not handy, in fact it will have a worse experience than having only 1 BIOS.
Chad McKean The Xtreme has a switch though
0:00 - *Starts watching the video*
0:36 - *Still watches the video*
0:39 - *Pauses the video and heads to the comment section*
2:18 into this video. I found this comment. Ha. Ha. I love this Tech Community..
@Furious_DC I usually use the Picture in Picture mode on PC if I want to read the comments and watch the video at the same time.
@Furious_DC Yep. just double right click. There's also an chrome extension which enables PiP for any online video. Amazon prime video for example.
@Jay _TooGoated You need a PRO motherboard, ofcourse
www.asus.com/gr/Motherboards/H97PRO/
Paul: "Who actually pa.."
Me: Linus
"Paid"
@@dylandajhharwood5566 he has to pay for it once the fucker drops it.
19:00 The killer feature.. a dragon dancing around on a mini display. Let me order that Godlike motherboard.
Mobo requirements for myself: Boots.
Dont forget the socks.
Laughs in perfectly adequate 100 euro b450 mobo
Not true
Same board
Laughs in £60 mobo
B450 eww
Haha, same, I’m just happy to have integrated WiFi 6
I subscribed for one simple reason, Ive NEVER seen anyone who talks as fast and as stream of consciences (sic) as I do. good job
@Yourubecan Blowme think you should.. I get what he’s saying and so do many clearly.
@@bennybucketsfifaut2kmyteam581 that’s irrelevant
@@Fee.1 bit confused how that’s irrelevant... the comment is talking about the creators nature of speaking, and the other guy is having trouble understanding that. Clearly he, and probably you need those English classes...
@@bennybucketsfifaut2kmyteam581 are we speaking ? No, we are writing. He critiqued his writing and suggested he take an English class. Do you think that when a English teacher corrects your paper they’re doing it because they don’t “get” what you’re saying? No, of course not! So you’re suggestion that “no you should and I get what he’s saying so your suggestion is wrong” is not only irrelevant but clearly doesn’t hold water.
@@Fee.1 this is the internet not English 4
Q: What Does a $700 Motherboard Have that a $200 Motherboard Doesn’t?
A: The requisite fool to part with said $500.
lmfao
I mean I can buy a god like. But I rather have formula block
@@KronicNitron same
That's why I buy low cost Mobos like B550M.
My favorite part is that none of the expensive Mobos have 5/5 eggs. The response by owners once they part with 100s of $$$ is "Meh..." I think we all can accomplish Meh for a lot cheaper.
Short answer: RGB
and for GAMERS
and Wifi
10 Gig NIC. More phases to the PCB. Better overclocking... in theory. Higher durability. I'm the idiot who spends $400 for the high end "normal" desktop boards and then rides them for five or six years between CPU upgrades.
Aaand a lot of other stuff
@@stephankruit3850 buying a high end wifi card would cost less tho
these boards cost more then my whole set up
Go cheap or go hobby gear!
Thunderbolt 3 was a must-have feature for my last motherboard choice. It allows me to fully switch 2x 4k displays between my laptop and desktop with 1 cable.
Sometimes I wish my budget allowed for these high end boards, but I am just happy I was able to get an X570 Tomahawk for my recent upgrade.
That's still an awesome board.
yeah I recently went and got one, shipped dead. Killed 2 3700x, so glad yours works. didnt have the best experience myself.
@@jeffofbread OMG
@@misterx8448 yeah fun times.
@@jeffofbread did you at least got a replacement or your money back?
Power to create a bigger hole in your wallet.
that $1300 board costs about as much as my current gaming computer, and that is just sad...
I guess you pay for the aesthetics.
yes but honestly the godlike board is actually a really good board, hell you don't need a conventional ssd, you can just use the m.2 nvme slots for hd space. which i might add makes everything lightning fast.
Hey Paul - This is the type of content that makes it worthwhile waiting a week for! Quality > Quantity + Quality time with the fam = Win-Win!
Your previous mobo video about your 5 favorite features is one of the best I've seen on UA-cam! (BTW you forgot to link that video in the description).
Best wishes!
The only special feature I filter for is S/Pdif support. My soundblaster uses optical audio so that's a must.
Wow, don't see many products exclusive spdif, you really had bad luck 😂
... my cheap ass 775 p4 board has spdif in and out(analog[electrical] and digital[optical])
@@jan-Juta i've been looking at x570 motherboards and I do find plenty with S/Pdif. But now I think I'm going to wait until the AM5 socket.
I'd hate to buy an AM4 board, only to find support is cut next year
These z490 boards are mostly used for servers
Also a must for high end dacs
You forgot the amount of IO on higher-end motherboards. Generally, higher-end motherboards have more SATA Ports and either more or higher bandwidth USB ports. Take The Asus Crosshero VIII Hero. It has 4x USB 3.2 gen 1, 8x USB 3.2 gen 2, 8x SATA, 2x USB 2.0 headers, 1x USB 3.2 gen 1 header, 1x USB 3.2 gen 2 header. As you step down you get significantly less and slower ports the TUF has only 3x USB 3.2 Gen2 rear and only a single USB 3.2 gen 1 header. and as you go to B550 you start Losing SATA ports as well. Pretty sure it is the same with Intel chipset motherboards. Now not everyone cares but I am always running out of USB ports and having the option to expand SATA storage as well is nice.
Isn’t that why there’s a market for usb hubs? The bandwidth is there either way.
Those were always the main differences that mattered to me. Those and power delivery and VRMs. Never been an "extreme" overclocker, but when I got my 8700k I wanted 5Ghz.
Man, this (usb ports) can be important depending on the user.
My set up: Mouse, keyboard, printer, mic, wacom pad, camera, hub (sd reader, USB drives), steam controller, battery backup (percent readout)
It can add up pretty quick. You could probably get away with using a high end hub for some of these, but if you have a lot of external equipment, having those extra USB ports can be a huge life saver.
IO is a very good point here. Though you can get additional sata/m.2/usb ports as pcie expansion card, having it on board can make for a way cleaner look. And with usb hubs you're just sharing the bandwidth of the one usb port your hub is plugged into. Absolutely fine for just some peripherals, but not so great for things that need bandwidth like external ssds, display port outputs, etc.
@@pauld4238 but having a dongle on your desk with USB cables sticking out of it is ugly af
My Motherboard: £70
Me watching this: Oh.
B450 56€ and 2700x
lmao
@Benjamin Tjaa that’s craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzyyy
@Benjamin Tjaa Nice flex
@Benjamin Tjaa my motherboard: x570 taichi
Thanks for this video Paul. This helped confirm my thought process with my next build. I was struggling with the idea of buying a budget board or something a little higher end. We just upgraded our home to fiber optic, and even though we only pay for 1000mbps/100mbps our speeds often peek to 2500mbps/200mbps. Which means I should probably get a board that can take advantage of those speeds when available. Thank you again, your content is always a huge help for an old builder like me, working to stay current with today's hardware and information.
Thank you for posting this. You’ve helped me a LOT with questions I’ve had but couldn’t find the info in one place on the net. Read lots of ehh kind of useful pages, but this video was so frigg’n awesome for my questions. Thank you.
Yep! My head just exploded 🤯
Some much to understand, I will need to watch this video a few more time to get things sorted out. Thanks Paul
I can't see much point spending so much on a motherboard when they become obsolete so quickly
Exactly.
Ryzen boards are an exception tho
Mae is bae!
Not really. I have a motherboard from 2010 that would still be better than a lot of boards today. Sure it cost me $792 but you can all the top bells and whistles inside of it.
@@Huels yeah it may have great features for the time but it's still lacking some of the more modern technology upgrades. You're stuck on an old socket if it's for Intel and still using ddr3 ram
Really good to see you posting Paul :) thanks for another great video, keep it coming :)
This was amazingly informative!
Never expect any less from this channel
Thanks!
"Lowly $200 mid-range board."
*Cries in A320*
*same*
At least it supports virtualization (well i think all mobos nowadays do but still, i need it)
0:08 Actual 700$ motherboard owner here, the real reason I bought one is because I build a pc about every 5-7 years. I decide to go all out with a theme and everything and this time I went with hardline and a all gold/black/gray theme with some rgb. I originally only wanted the measely 400$ MSI X570 ACE for its gold theme to go with the build. However they were out of stock of everything besides the highest end motherboards everywhere because of the shortages so I ended up going with the ASUS CROSSHAIR VIII FORMULA which also has ports to watercool the board. It also went well my EKWB watercooling set up and ASUS ROG THOR 1200W psu. That is why I bought the 700$ motherboard.
🤷♂️
Building a PC every 5 years too and I like going for the "most bang for my bucks" approach and avoid anything unnecessary... and that starts with the friggin RGB BS. My casing is not transparent so I wish manufacturers would stop putting BS RGB LEDs everywhere like it was Christmas and just produce something sturdy, of good quality yet minimalistic and without added "aesthetic" crap.
And that's the same with RAM and pretty much everything: they usually give parts a "gaming" aesthetic and you pay 30 or 40% for that unnecessary crap. I wish it wasn't so.
@@Draclord35 you can get more bang/buck without RGB at least in my country. And for the motherboard you can turn it off in the BIOS (at least I could)
I also only every build a PC every 5-7 years. Barring storage (which I add more of every few years at most), my rig only ever costs between $400 and $650, depending on my needs when I do my upgrade.
At the very beginning when he mentioned audio, I said why? Use a DAC! I have 3 DACs. I use cheap $50 models to give me Optical and Coaxial and they run to a Fosi Audio Q4. The switch on the front switches between Optical and Coax, which are my primary desktop and my laptop dedicated to streaming. The Fosi connects to a Lepy Amp with the Texas Instruments version of the old Tripath Class-T chip, and that feeds a pair of Micca speakers. I do use EQ software to notch 125 Hz, and add a little bump at 60 Hz. This setup sounds AMAZING! The components are small enough to fit on a desk, but produces Audiophile quality sound even from a cheap old laptop. Add a Deezer Lossless subscription and no one would ever believe they were listening to a computer. When you consider the Amp and speakers are under $100, this is something everyone should look into, for music, gaming, and even UA-cam. If you're a gamer, add a pair of HiFiMan headphones and a mic. The Fosi DAC is also a headphone amp. Planar Magnetic speakers are something Audio Engineers have been working on for more than 40 years, but few actually got it right. The designer of the HiFiMan headphones is one of those few.
good vid Paul... cool to get the low down and see all the features on those high end boards!
I really do appreciate your breakdown of the features and whether or not they're worth it.
Having said that I'm still planning on using the ROG Mini DTX board, should you and Kyle still host a charity stream this winter.
I have been seriously thinking a mini dtx board. They are small, but still have what I need and looks like a good way to cut down on some desk space.
@@bryku I've done one sff build using the Mini DTX board; It was a charity build for Paul and Kyle's stream last year and I have to say that the board is really nice
@@Lenticular67 My mouth is watering (more like my brain), every time I see it, I just imagine a new build with it. Like its always in the back of my mind if you know what I mean.
Have you noticed anything weird with it? It looks like a nice balance in terms of the physical size.
@@bryku There was only one minor issue with the board, and to be fair it wasn't the board itself but an accessory: the DIMM.2 device had its label affixed upside down and annoyed me when I looked at it. It was a mfg oopsie, but as for the board itself man, it was great.
I had more issues with the Lian Li TU 150 case than anything else
@@Lenticular67 I've been a bit standoff-ish on dimm.2, but I've always thought it opens up some extra space and it may be cool, just wasn't sure how it worked.
Was the performance any different, or did you even notice?
31 years later, your intro "excellent" will be back in theaters very, very soon!
very very soon.... later!
Waynes world?
@@t00dy11 Good memories
Great video. I have wondered this very question many times.
Great video Paul and it makes for a practical view of what is really necessary.
genuinely haven't heard someone use the term weaksauce in a decade, brought a smile to my face dude
kewl
I can't believe you didn't comment on the amazing sticker packs that they include with some of the motherboards! Just wait until you daughter hits about 4 and goes sticker crazy and you will learn!
if you arent paying $700 for some stickers packs what are you doing with your life
I'm almost sure that the 200 dollar motherboards also include those sticker packs...
New Paul video on my Birthday! It truly has been a good day.
For me thunderbolt was a must have under lockdowns here in a Melbourne. I’m a former Mac user and still have a 21.5” Lg Ultrafine which I adore. So putting together my work from home pc, I went with the ASRock X570-PHANTOM-GAMING-ITX/TB3 to get this feature. It’s so rare to have on the AMD side.
The motherboard video we need but not the one we deserve!❤️😎
one big cost part you don't talk about is PCB thickness and number of layers all the super high-end boards features a ton of layers to ensure stable and clean everything from power to data. sure this is due to being a better overclocking board than anything else but it dose generally give you better stability and less issues since it is very well within the margins.
i think you go from something like 3 layers on budget to 5 on mid to 7 on high to 9-11 layers on the highest end.
bang on. The "high end" but not insane level boards wil last for a decade under heavy use.
Solid Video Paul, thanks for the deep dive!
Hi Paul, love your videos, the only thing I was surprised you didn't discuss is out of the box WiFi capabilities...not a $200->$700 worthy feature but I think it's something that folks (including me) look out for when choosing a motherboard
When will I be able to buy an overclocker-focused motherboard with BAREBONES features? Maybe a NIC but cut out all the other junk. I don't need onboard audio for reasons like you said - I can add in my own superior hifi solution via an add-in card or USB. I don't need USB2 or RGB. Hell, I may not even want a NIC after all because I can add in my own much like the audio route.
Instead, use the money saved on BOM costs and give me a motherboard with ridiculous amounts of phases with top shelf power delivery. Give me the BEST passives like caps, resistors, etc from known, high quality manufacturers. An OC panel or something similar to let me adjust clocks on the fly would be just as helpful as voltage measurement points.
One problem would be AMD not allowing it because it wouldn't meet base spec for the chipset
I wish more motherboards were high end, but didn't have all the "bs". Sometimes you can find some server motherboards that this, but its pretty rare, they typically have other stuff baked in.
I can relate but more phases doesn't equal more better.
Saying excellent power delivery says it all on that topic. But to each his own
Good point but adding sound, nic etc adds up really quickly on the board taking up valuable space and PCI-E slots. There should be some integrated ones still present. That's like asking a company to ship a 2080Ti without a cooler because you will use your own air or most likely waterblock.
The problem is that some moron somewhere will inevetably try to run it without cooling and damage or kill the card. Then the screaming ensues. No company need that kind of bad PR.
That's the same reason they include chipset fans on X570. Based on my own experience and what i've seen from others it's rarely needed. It's there just in case someone has a GPU dumoing heat on top of it.
@@Raivo_K that's a moot point these days because even with dual card slot setups, there's still 2 or 3 slots free for add on cards. Beyond that, most good sound cards/DAC setups are USB for the reasons Paul mentioned in the video - it removes the device from the electrically noisy environment of inside the computer.
Rolling with a Maximus 11 Extreme. I didn't need it but figured it wouldn't hurt to have.
This has been the exact video I have needed😛!!! Thanks man helped me massively 👍🏼
Hi Paul, great video just like always, regarding the illuminated line in/out and microphone jacks. I also find it useful on my Asus X470-i Gaming.
I would look at 10gig add in cards as "arh, now I have this I won't have to purchase expensive motherboards to use my 10gig switch". I'm fairly sure that for stuff like 10gig add-in cards are a lot more economical than having to essentially purchase it each time you upgrade your platform.
Ive never spent more than $130 for a motherboard in my own personal builds.
Nor should you need to. :D
I spent $200 once but that was back in the days of Pentium II or III and you couldn't get one cheaper.
Hey soul-patch, just found your channel and it's awesome! Subscribed and am looking forward to your opinion on the new RTX 3070. Cheers!
Awesome video!
Thank you
Joe 👍🏼😎👍🏼
OMG!!! That motherboard had moving N.I.N.J.A.S!
Give me now!
I own a MSI Z490 Godlike (in aus they are $1500, gotta love them conversion rates
You deserve the 10K thumbs up just for providing the lineage of what name goes with which motherboard. Something the manufacturers have omitted on every site that I have visited. No where is a page or popup saying what position which mother board places in their lineup. I now know that "R"(epublic) "O"(f) "G"(amers) is at the top. Zenith is an addition and Zenith Extreme comparable to impact.
?????????
Ok, its still not as clear as I wanted it to be, but you get a derservant "thimbs up" for more info anyway :)
Super helpful video. Wish I had this when I bought my motherboard.
I will say, I'll pay extra for true pwm headers. Having enough to run every fan via pwm is definitely nice
Most decent motherboard PWM headers can handle like 2A output which is plenty to run splitter cables and group your fans.. The 4th sense wire that returns an rpm value only connects to 1 fan though so ideally they should be the exact same model.
Eg: I use MF120R ARGB fans (they were cheap and look nice, although average on cooling potential) with 3x coming off 1 header for "intake" group, 3x off another for "exhaust" group then my waterpump by itself
The fans are rated to use 0.2A with a safety current of 0.54A, so assuming the worst case scenario, 3x 0.54 is still only 1.62A.. well within limits
And then I set my intake group to around 50% fixed speed and exhaust to around 40% fixed speed.. permanently positive pressure environment for dust protection, no ramping up/down under load, still quiet enough at idle and CPU/GPU never reach 70C (I do still have to ramp the GPU fans under heavy load, but not by much)
11:40 - Paul! Don't let Steve from Gamer's Nexus see that PC you built. He released a video (yesterday?) talking about the correct way to install AIO coolers in the case, and that ain't it! He said when mounting the radiator on the side of the case, the hoses need to be at the bottom so the air goes to the other end of the radiator and the hoses aren't sucking air.
Just saying.... ;)
they told that for a long time already, just not a standalone video
I was looking for this comment lol
That's the Lian Li LU150 + CM ML120R AIO; it *does* have a variable height fan mount, but I think Paul as pushed it as high as it can go. See Paul's build log here: ua-cam.com/video/pC2UHDmviug/v-deo.html Steve in his video points this out: bad case design has necessitated non-optimal placement.
Steve only stressed it isn’t recommended.
You shouldn’t have air in water systems period whether it’s in a pc or not air kills pumps
Pretty helpful video thank ya.
This explainer is so useful thanks so much!
6:02 especially with how short of a period intel sockets usually last
???
I have an Intel Motherboard and CPU that I bought in 2007 - 2008. The board back then was a lower-middle end board for about $200.00 and the CPU is a Core2 Quad Extreme 3.0GHz. The motherboard has 6 SATA, 1 E-SATA, 8 USB 2.0 (pre USB 3.0 or USB C). 4 Memory Dimms 2 PCI-Express, and 2 PCI-Express x16 slots and 2 ... It also has very decent overclocking capabilities, it's not water-cooled, it doesn't have the external bios flashing or reset capabilities as they came out about 5-7 years later. I don't care about have 10,000 LEDs glowing and lighting up my room... if I need to see what it is I'm doing physically to my system, I'll just turn the lights on or grab a flashlight. The system is 12 years and is still a workhorse! Am I due for a newer system? Sure, it is becoming dated as other modern hardware peripherals would require a newer motherboard and CPU combo to operate. For example, if I wanted to get NVidia's GeForce 2000 or 3000 series boards, I don't think my system would support it. I could run a 1080 series, but to have capabilities of real-time ray tracing, I would need the advanced vector instruction sets... I'm sure I have MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, and SSE4.1, but I don't have AVX, AVX2, AVX512... so, if I really want to be pushing high-end graphics at super high resolutions such as 4K and maintaining 60 - 120fps... I would need a newer setup. However, for my current needs, it runs great at full 1080p via HDMI to 42" 1080p tv. As I have already said, my board and CPU are about 12 years old and still running strong, and I'm still running a 64bit version of Windows 7. Another downside is my motherboard isn't standard UEFI and not configured for it, but I do believe it does have UEFI support and it may be limited. It also only has an L2 and L2 cache as there is no L3 cache. It is 4 physical cores each single-threaded. It's an Intel DP45SG board running a QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, 3000 MHz (9 x 333), one of the last few generations of when they still made motherboards. I haven't had any complaints with this board nor CPU! This entire rig initially cost me about $1,100 - 1,200 and about $1,500 when all was said and done, but that also includes a $70 gaming mouse, a $100 gaming keyboard which has been replaced with a $150 mechanical gaming keyboard, a $180 video card, and 3 power supplies. I wore out 3 power supplies, 1 heat sink fan, and 1 keyboard on this rig. Then again about every 2-3 years, I will back up my data, wipe my drives (not format, but wipe them clean) and I'll remove and clean the old thermal paste and apply new, I typically use Arctic Silver 5, but I keep checking reviews for performance, reliability, integrity and the lifetime use for the thermal paste.
So when you say intel sockets usually don't last, you are far from wrong because my guess is you have support for an Intel Socket by some 3rd party company and not an Authentic Intel Socket. Intel quit making motherboards about 10 years ago around the 2nd or 3rd generation of the iSeries processors. If you didn't have an Intel motherboard, then it wasn't an Intel Socket, it was some 3rd party aftermarket company who built their own socket to support Intel's chips and chipsets. This machine has been very reliable for me. And don't give an AMD cause I'll probably throw it at you, except for maybe, maybe their Ryzen processors, but even at that it'd be a long shot. I like my little-endian machine that AMD tries to mimic. I never cared for AMD CPUs... I've worked on many computers trying to fix them, clean them, remove viruses, etc. since the late 90s during the Windows 98 era, and no joke, if I worked on 10 computers and could only fix 7 of them where 3 were ready for the dumpster, the 7 that was able to be recovered were Intel Pentiums(1-4), and the other 3 were AMD (Athalon and other versions). AMD always had issues with overheating and frying not just its own CPU, but the mainboard as well. When I was doing a battery test on two comparable systems without using a heat sink and cooling fan and when I did the Intel CPU and it started to overheat, it had automatically powered down the system, the AMD on the other, just kept running and running and running, and eventually, it started to spark and I had seen flames coming out of the CPU. Needless to say, after that battery test between two comparable systems... the Intel, when put back together, booted right up and everything was fine with 0 issues. As for the AMD, well let's just say it hit the trashcan... oh and I had to throw the motherboard away too... Since then, I've never used AMD and this was in the late 90s early 2000s it was either when I was still in High School or not long after I had graduated!!! I'll spend a little extra on the quality of reliable products.
Those weren't even my first systems... I started working with computers when I was bout 11 or 12 with an Intel 4086 running Dos 6.0 and wither Windows 3.11 or OS/2... That system only had a 200 MB hard drive, and it only had a 2x speed CD-ROM, but it did have a VGA (not SVGA) ATI Radeon video card and a 16bit Sound Blaster Sound card and there was no Internet... It was fun installing games in DOS that was easy until you go to play them and you had to configure their IRQ ports and DMA channels... Oh and do not put a Mac in front of me either, I won't throw it at you but everyone around you as well, haha, just kidding on the figure of speech, but yeah don't like Macs either! I can't say much about Linux cause I've never really worked on a Linux machine... for a little bit I tried learning bash, but I was so used to command prompt - dos commands that I fell away from it as I really don't have much use for a Linux machine. I'm not running any databases or servers... I basically do some gaming, but I also do some programming and I'm accustomed to Visual Studio's compilers even though I'm starting to learn more about Clang and GCC... So I do know about both the hardware and the software. Now, this isn't to say that every Intel Process is inferior to every AMD CPU as a top-end Ryzen would be better than a piece of crap i3 or low-end i5, but when it comes crunching numbers, Intel's Mid to High-End i5s and almost all of their i7s and i9s will outperform most of AMD's Ryzen chips in many ways, except for maybe their highest model which might be the only one to compete with Intel.
Both companies have been at it for quite a long time... Now if you are looking for a general-purpose computer for basic web browsing then yeah AMD may not be a bad choice as their mid-grade products are more affordable than Intel, for example, a mid-level AMD CPU might cost you about $300 where the competitive Intel model might run you $450 - 600... If you are planning on doing a lot of multitasking that utilized parallel programming then Ryzen might have a slight edge... but if you are looking for a Gaming Rig to give you the best frame rates and the better Overclocking capabilities then the high-end i5's and i7's are the way to go! The high-end Ryzen might cost about $850 - 900 where the high-end Intel Boards nonextreme might be about $950 - 1,200 and some of their Extreme CPUs can run as high as $2k but that would be the i9 series which most people wouldn't even buy. Personally, I'd stick with Intel. Now, from many of the reviews I've been seeing lately, Intel needs to reevaluate their management and get things rolling again. They were excellent at being innovative and with their current leaders in their R&D departments... it appears as if they are starting to become stale. Maybe I'll wait another 5-10 years and go with Risc-V or by then Risc-VI instead!
@@skilz8098 really replied with your life story lmao
@@avonire Not my life story, just from personal experience!!!
Passive X570 Radiator. A MUST for anyone who has watched a chipset catch on fire before. The thought of active cooling fail on a component which has no temp sensor is terrifying.
it has a temp sensor on x570, also it mostly works passive even with a failed fan
@@ladmad9196 I hope that is true at this point. But just a couple generations ago my complex nearly burned to the ground because of this precise issue, so forgive me if I don't trust that particular temp sensor just yet 😅 At any rate, B550 ill do just fine for now.
@@wiggetywut32 modern things burstinh in flames i probably the psus fault for not reacting fast enough. DONT CHEAP OUT ON PSUS
a heads up for anyone
@@ladmad9196 It was an fm2+ board so it has been a while lol but I never skimp on power. I doubt they had temp sensors on the chipsets back then considering I watched it erupt into electrical fire right in front of me ha. Anyway, I went with a gigabyte vision D for now but if I go x570 it will have to be an aorus extreme. Looking forward to seeing the x670s
This is a fantastic video. Thanks Paul, your the everyman's tech guy and we appreciate you.
You are my hero for breaking down the branding of these mobos. They are one of the most daunting things to learn about when it comes to building a pc, and you explained so much information masterfully. This is a must watch video for an amateur pc enthusiast
MSI: "Could you not display our products when talking about overpriced high end motherboards?"
Gamer's Nexus xD
Answer: yeah sure... Lower the price
lol which of GN videos did they say this?
@@Joseph_006 GN didnt say it but the joke is thrown as msi is recently very aggressive about any comments that may negatively impact them. and GN roasted msi for that
@@zahidurrahman6624 what vid is that?
I remember the time when I had money...... sigh...
Money? What's that? 🤣
A brilliant, well thought out, solid video offering advice and comparison like I have seen no where else. I build my SIM Racing rigs to last me five years with nothing more than graphics card updates. Worked well on my last build that went from 2 x Asus 780TI to 1 x Asus 1080TI to 1 x Asus 2080ti. With the new series 3 cards coming out I want to get a new build done and send my old sim rig to Emby. I am a high end MOBO buyer because I like my rig to last 5 years and high end MOBO's carry the features that will still be strong in 5 years like 10G on board networking , high speed memory rates and other things that carry me through about 5 years before new tech out runs it. I give zero F's for RGB lol, now that's a waste of money IMHO as is liquid cooling unless you are a super over clocker dude IMHO. I simply want to pair a 10th gen 10900k with some 48000mhz ram, some Samsung M.2 Pros and have as much PCI bandwidth as possible. I use the onboard sound. Networking, Bluetooth and all the rest f it. Folks that claim a high end MOBO is just bragging right are missing the point IMHO and maybe are a little p1ssed they don't have one (they will tell you that's not the case, they are just smarter than you and know better and you are stupid, wasting money so you can brag. No not me, I am not 12 and my D1k is big enough thanks). I run my mobos and CPU's for 5 years. When I upgrade, every five years........ I buy a super fast CPU and feature rich MOBO, for the next 5 years I know my rig will run whatever comes out at max settings. I "F" about a lot less with these things since I took this stance. Your video has helped me understand the difference and make an educated decision. Thanks Paul. Thanks very much.
As an X570 Xtreme user,
I can definitely tell you that this board ended up actually saving me money.
PCIE gen 4 M.2 raid support has been awesome. Having two separate 1 gig cards striped is... overkill. But it's so damned fast!
The 10 gig nic is a must have for my NAS storage, and the other gen 4 M.2 drive works wonderfully for caching the sata storage on my machine.
That way I can actually USE a 10 gig nic for decent transfer speeds.
Not having a chipset fan stuck under my GPUs is excellent.
Being able to run a VM with 4 core virtualization and dedicate my quadro to it, and still run games on 8 cores and my RTX card has been wonderful.
The onboard wireless is honestly good enough to run as my house wireless router. It's controllable via software, and powerful enough to work for my entire house.
Cooling support has been excellent. I use the Fan Commander that came with the board to control every fan for every radiator, and can tune them to water temps on the mobo because of the two separate temperature sensor inputs on board.
enough USB 3.0 ports to permanently connect my VR headset, all 3 lighthouse trackers, everything that comes with being an Elite Dangerous fan (So many USB devices), the orbweaver (Can no longer game without it), and about 5 to 7 more USB devices at any given time. The front two case USB ports are pretty much dedicated as turbo chargers thanks to the board's ability to fast charge android and apple devices (and others).
Honestly, if I tried to do everything I'm doing with this machine on a lesser board, I couldn't. I'd run out of PCIE expansion on the X570 platform before I got to where I was,
which brings up another point.
This mobo allows me to use this platform as a kind of pro-sumer workstation without having to bump up to the HEDT range.
I could buy a 12 core chip that works a LOT better than I was expecting it to without having to jump into something with more PCIE lanes, and that price jump is a LARGE one.
Even if I could find another X570 mobo that had enough PCIE expansion, I'd still save money compared to buying all these features to add on to a $300 dollar board.
In the end, it probably saved me over a thousand dollars.
Still, if I wasn't using the features, there's no way I'd buy the board JUST for its excellent VRM.
Other than the mobo itself, there's not a single LED in the system so... all the fancy LED controls are worthless to me. lol.
I've also been saved by the equipped dual bios and clear CMOS buttons. I like to see how fast I can make 64 gig of Micron B-die go.
3555 @ cl16,18,18,32 is as fast as I can make it stable. Still, that's a lot better than I was expecting.
CPU definitely benefits from the power delivery, as it'll run @ 4.26 Ghz all core, and still boost to 4.6 Ghz single, with absolutely no changes other than memory OC and loadline calibration.
Hands off to Aorus here. I've never had a machine that checked so many boxes so damned well.
Get ready for work, or watch Paul's latest video as soon as possible?
Hi Paul! :)
Today I learned that Paul doesn't have a lot of friends.
Love how the thumbnail makes it look like it’s either a prop from Aliens or a 90’s laser tag vest
Hi Paul! Love your video! Your comment on DACs made a lot of sense. One thing I've always wondered for if you really want a good internal audio solution and wanted to go with a sound card, would there be any benefit to using the GPU vertical mount for the sound card? I've seen nobody test this. Sound cards don't need cooling, but being so far away from the rest of the board could be beneficial to interference, no?
the most rare thing is Thunderbolt 3 that has very limited choice still
Thru Mi Lens
My first Thunderbolt 3 board was the ASUS Deluxe II, and i never went bock to basic board!
all the extra cards, wow! NVMe, NIC, Thunderbolt 3, wow! that's the best I/O i ever got!
limited? the CPU channels on intels X series?
I feel like when people talk about MAXIMUS they never mention the Code series :(
Great video man Just curious as to why the ASUS Rampage Extreme line was not included?
I am actually very happy with the Team Group ram you advertised in this video. They are doing much better than the same spec Corsair I had.
Like if a $200 motherboard wasn't expensive enough.
i'm happy that i got the ASUS most expansive board, the thunderbolt 3 extreme and NVMe extensions!
i tend to prefer the ~400, i want to keep the thing for 7-8 years so having some QoL stuff is worth it.
If you keep the thing for over 3years well you definitely don't need more than 200$ my system phenom 2 system still runs today we didn't spend much it was also a prebuild system.
@@tanmaypanadi1414 point = missed
I had a $79 Mobo for my Phenom II x4 last over 10 years of gaming by myself and my kids and it was still working when I upgraded to a Core i7.
Ran that on a $99 Mobo and just upgraded to a Ryzen 7 with another $99 Mobo.
If I hooked those up now they would still boot.
i built a $10,000 build in the Obsidian 1000D not unlike the one you built but with dual custom loops. i bought the Z390 aorus master for the top board and I did use any of the fancy addons. Im upgrading it now to the 5900X and im only going with the X570 Aorus Master this go around. Really good video and very informative.
Thanks for this insight!
What about I/O? I believe that is one of the best features of a high end motherboard
yeah having like 7-10 type A ports are why i get the higher end boards
@@MrKONA604
Just like 10gig networking, or extra nvme slots, you can get PCI E expansion slots for USB.
@@yotoprules9361 yes you can. or just get a motherboard with that stuff included.
The $700 X570 Aorus Xtreme...mmmm so sexy please take my money!! love em all!
Great video. As a noob, this sort of explainer is awesome and saves so much time
FANTASTIC advice!!!
Thank you!!
(Me looking sadly at my $1,400 aorus extreme waterforce) THEY DONT LOVE YOU LIKE I DO :'(
Short answer: bragging rights
Long answer: bragging rights
That has to be a joke or a troll. Yes there is a difference. Anyways I know there are pretty stupid people that think that money equals status or respect, but please tell me that was a joke or troll.
@@natturefrk Are you content in life?
Daniel Johanson how do people like you exist?
@@al-kazaz9032 I came to exist the same way you came to exist. Through my Mother's womb, lolol. How else?
Great video. I really like this type of video.
I'm actually looking at a higher end mobo at the moment. I use a custom water cooling loop and my case's thermals are not great, so I want as much heat as possible being put into the loop where it can be dealt with by the radiators instead of relying mainly on internal case air flow to cool components. I love the look of the Aqua board, especially with the chipset cooling- and the waterforce too! But I'm probably going to go with the updated version of what I already have- a ROG Formula. Only covers the VRMs for water cooling but they're probably one of the biggest sources of heat out of the stuff in the computer that isn't already connected to the loop. Plus it's half the price of the others. I'd certainly make use of the features on those high end water cooling boards but even then I can't bring myself to drop over a grand on a motherboard. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to stay with the formula honestly, and might look into what monoblocks are available for cheaper boards. Then again I'm already familiar with the Asus bios and how to set my overclocks...
Yeah I hate picking motherboards.
01:23
Weak sauce chipsets insufficient for the Awesome Sauce Network
Short answer: followed my color scheme...
Loving the teleprompter reflection on the MSI board
Thanks I'm learning I want to build a system some day that's why I watch you and bitwit your knowledge is Priceless.
0:18 Someone with more dollars than sense.
"Who actually buys these motherboards? I have no idea to be perfectly honest.."
*buildzoid has entered the chat*
I feel like buildzoid either gets them loaned to him to drool on or he analyzes pictures of them but he in reality spends 125$ on mobo if it’s out of his pocket
Kind of a daft thing to say from a big tech tuber.
X570 aorus xtreme has its power inlet pin tilted 90 degree instead of traditionally facing the user, a very big plus point for cable management, same goes with Sata, fan, water pump etc. And yes the additional temp sensor input and sound sensor input is worth noting as it further fine tunes overall cooling abilities of the build.
Great video!
Excellent video, as usual. Thank you.
Fun fact: i have all msi godlike boards 💯💯❤
I have the Z390 Godlike. Should be fine with a RTX3090, right?
I have most of the rampage extreme boards. Missing the IV though.
In your van no joke i would hop in
kimi all intel and amd?
@@unknownperson3691 both:)
"Cool, coo coo cool" if you know you know.
Thank you for making this. I've often wondered. Though yeah like some other people in tend to be in the standard range.
ASRock has done LED audio lights on add-on cards in the past. With a X79 board I ordered years ago it came with a network and sound PCIe adapter that had LED’s inside the audio jacks. :)