The BEST Cooling Solution - Air or Water - FINAL ANSWER
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2017
- AIO water cooling is considered the best for cooling efficiency short of a custom loop, but is it really? Or can air cooling give it a run for its money?
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Linus : It depends
Linus 2 Years Later : Why you shouldn't water cool your pc
also linus "Why is Water Cooling Better?
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@@shotbyarian really covering all angles there Linus
@@allseeingeyezz Talk about click-bait. Was a waste of my time watching this video.
@@jamesridley8613 So what was the reasoning before the newer video came out?
@@jamesridley8613 lol you pc nerds have no life seriously. Ease up!
Amateurs. I use a heater instead of a cooler
Big brain hours.
Mrmcfeffers Yeah, this is big brain time.
@@DS-os1sy turn up the heat, when computers are working hard they get hot, so the hotter they are the better they're computing
Shengud Make sure to pour lava when they need extra heat to help them out
@@DS-os1sy using a blowtorch straight onto the motherboard over overclocks the motherboard itself
don't know which to choose
*watch this video*
still don't know which to chooce
Air cooling, duh. Same performance for almost half the price
@@Impetuss aios looks better and CAN have better performance, the h150i Is a 360mm rad that can't be closed by a d15
@@ryusei9941 Looks are subjective. I prefer the look of a beefy air cooler to an aio. I think it just fills the case out way better. Custom water loops are gorgeous but are way too expensive and too much maintenance for the average user. Also the h150i costs a little more than double that of a d15 while being only a few degrees better in cooling. This is a comparison of the h150i pro and the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 ua-cam.com/video/OA4gXIeyrKs/v-deo.html literally only a couple degrees better. I have had both and like both but, if you want to save some money with no parts that can fail, then air cooling is the way to go.
@@K4R007 the h150i performs worst then the h115i and h100i while being more expensive. So the h100i outperfoms the drp4 by a fair bit and it's not that much more expensive it's like $20 more expensive
@@ryusei9941 Right... that makes a lot of sense. Would you like to post some numbers or did you just pull that claim out of thin air. Every benchmark I have seen, where the RPM of the fans were set equal, the h150i the h115i and the h100i were literally 2-4 degrees off of each other. I know this because I have a h100i in one of my systems and I looked into all four before getting it. There is obviously diminishing returns when it comes to rad size and cooling when it comes to aio. How fast the pump can circulate the liquid is way more important for thermals which is why a closed loop custom system is way better than an aio.
1:06 *puts up 3 fingers*
xD
He showed 3 fingers *twice*
@@vedant9637 when
Math!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait, METH!!!!!!!!!
Thanos wiped the other half
When he said "hd remake" my video connection dropped to 240p because of my background downloads and I thought it was hilarious.
Danaje Elliott 😂😂
You have 144 likes 😂 for 144p
OMG SAME LOL
Danaje Elliott 😂😂😂😂
508 likes now. Got a beefier router
*_Can't you just download more cooling?_*
HAHAHA
That’s what the guy at Walmart said
FRODO SWAGGINS *First download Humor.bat*
Where can I download more air cpu? Someone please help!
@@DS-os1sy FIRST DOWNLOAD *Accept.exe*
Every Air vs Water cooling video: “Is air better?: Yes. Is water better: Yes”
is air cheaper: yes is water cheaper: NO.
The water cost more because it looks cool. That's the whole result from every test I've ever seen.
only if noctua fans weren't diarrhea colored I'd get them in a heartbeat.
I choked on my water reading this comment
Lol who cares.. Performance over looks
I like the Noctrrhea look... wish they made cases in Noctrrhea color........Noctrrhea...
I don't care about the looks, but I bought an NH-D15 and one thing to keep in mind is that this thing is HUGE. It should really be one of the last things you install if not the last, because it's very difficult to reach many critical areas of the mobo after you put it on. It's DOABLE, but not easy. And especially tight spots like the CPU power headers were basically impossible to do with the heatsink installed.
James Amril-Kesh yep. Put the mounting bracket on beforehand but don’t actually install the fan until the end. It’s how I do it now cause it’s just easier.
I've found those TR4 Noctua coolers to work really well, would have been more interesting to test with AIO's that cover the full socket, though there aren't many out yet.
Maybe they can just put a bigger copper plate on the AIO? Like what noctua did. It turned out that a bigger plate really help.
Enermax already has a TR4 AIO with full coverage, he should've used one of those. Gamers Nexus clearly showed that typical Asetek AIOs do not cover all the dies, so comparing them to a full coverage air cooler is rigged.
its already been proven with custom blocks, with 240mm custom rads beating out a 280mm aio because of the base plate
+Brother Ares Agreed, I gave it a dislike as well. +James Mastroianni Gamers Nexus also did a test using Noctua air coolers that were identical except for the base plate. The one with the full-coverage TR4 plate was ~11°C cooler than the non-TR4 model.
Alphacool aio disagree.
Laughs in slavic
Uses a vodka cooled pc
Boris approves.
Blyatiful
@@bionicle9684 whoa western spy
Laughing doesn't have a language you fucking idiot.
jack kelley R/whoooooosh
Linus: air or water? My pc: fire
Underrated
My pc: earth 😂
Should have talked about reliability and longevity. Water cooled pumps fail in just a few years where air based lasts for decades.
Do the pumps fail due to lack of maintenance? E.g. dust build up generally can cause havoc to the life span of fans (especially the dust caused by smoking etc.) in my experience. Or is it just the nature/design of the pumps that cause that?
acidtwin It's in the nature of AIO's as they're using aluminium radiators and copper blocks which will lead to galvanic corrosion over time. Also the pumps aren't that reliable either. My Laing DDC is still going strong after 8 years of use - altough a custom watercooling loop is in a whole 'nother league in terms of pricing and ease of use but it looks sexier aswell. To each their own.
My H80i V2 is still going strong almost 3 years on. And a friend of mine's H80I pump failed on him recently at just over 10 years old.
guitarplayerforu I didn't say that they will fail in a short period of time - but they will eventually. Also the galvanic corrosion will lead to higher temps as gunk will build up inside of the block, which then will lead to decreased flowrates.
@@keremkesici4244 Everything fails with age, it's to be expected 😊
Cool, but we all know rgb fans make them both perform 80c cooler
Trum p in my testing I only got a 79c improvment. What rgp are you using?
Devin Dykstra the problem is that you are using rgp, He is using rgb
Black Helmets oof, I'm not even going to fix it
I am happy that the brightness in this video is good.
I run an AMD FX-9590 with air cooling. It actually works just fine. I got tired of replacing liquid coolant pumps so I decided to give it a try. It obviously runs warmer than it did when liquid cooled but well inside acceptable range.
And for me there is a risk... Air coolers give you 3-5-10 whatever celsius more BUT... If you aint playing 0-24 4k ULTRA SUPER HIGH RAY TRACING and all the bullshit... Just buy a high end air cooler and you will be ok for years. Liquid coolers risky... 🤷 Thats it.
@@attilapataki5202 Liquid coolers aren't risky at all unless you install it wrong.
Before watching this I never knew that the differences between the two were so slim. I'm glad I never wasted time with water cooling and just bought big tower coolers. Space isn't even an issue because I like big mean looking cases anyway.
To save you time the answer is once again.. "it depends" ffs -_-
I watched all the way just for that answer, god damn it.
God damit linux
hellhole why does everyone call Linus linux?
Urban Kitsune because.
Thanks didn’t watch video :)
it might seem crazy but why am i seeing orange color everytime in your hands & skin. ?
@NM Trindle bruh
Color correction in darks might be a little off
he just eated some doritoes.
No it's his signature colors mind washed into your brain. You see his white and orange everywhere, then when I think about this guy I think of the color orange lmao
Maybe they filmed in a weird hdr or somtin
Surely a major issue that would help someone decide would also be how quiet the cooler is. It was very surprising that you didn't mention it at all let alone test for it.
Air coolers are very quiet nowadays
for me i don't care about the noise just the performance
@@completionofcomplex seriously! If my fans are screaming that means I'm gaming and can't hear anything except what's playing in my headphones.
If it’s a Noctua, it’s quiet, simple as.
Air will always be better: zero risk of leak and all your components going kaboom!
@Clorox Bleach cryorig r1 ultimate and noctua nh d15 outperform alot of 240mm aio. SOME 240 mm aio are SLIGHTLY better. not that much better . and , those aios that are better, usually cost at least 20-30 bucks more. for 2 or 3 degrees cooler? lol hella dumb if you dont buy aircooler.
but 280 and 360 mm aios are better, but they cost even more.
@Clorox Bleach i have an nh-d15 in my pc, been using noctua for years, and let me tell you for the price the noctua coolers are bar none the best.
buys aio pays double the price of a noctua for the same performance, or marginally worse. why would i want to buy something at a higher price, that has same if not worse performance, with the risk of leakage and causing corrosion to my pc. yeah you can say whatever you want, but air coolers are not only safe, but perform just as good. at lower prince point. the only way you will see better temps on a water cooler is a custom loop, and that just increases the risk of failure 10 fold. not to mention they are stupid expensive.
@@Akiwaaa_ they are bulky, but the bulk combined with their signature fans. make for ultra silent running and low temps. i paid 80 a year ago for the d15 and am very happy. heck i only use one fan, and my temps never reach 80c.
@Thomas Borisov i got the d15 and my temps under load with p 95 was 62. lol during gaming it never reaches above 52 no matter what game. fuckin insane
i advice everyone to go aircooler. watercooling is as you say, too much of a risk for a few degrees cooler.
@@Akiwaaa_ AIOs dont leak very often and if so, they happen very quickly which u can claim warranty.
Despite being an air-cooling masterrace advocate myself, I'm kind of surprised by these results. I was not expecting any single-tower cooler, especially one as thin as the NH-U14 to stand up to dual fan AIOs, but, well, it seems I was wrong.
You're a phony
It’s probably due to well designed heat sinks
Come on guys this isn’t even question, we all know the best cooling solution is fucking fire
YOU! I LIKE HOW YOU THINK!!!
Fuck that, lava from a volcano. Now that's beastly cooling.
I thought it was whiskey liquid cooling I've been doing it wrong all these years !
I so cool. My PC wishes it were me... And it is cool enough...
Thank You So Much Love You Bro
Cost effectiveness and mechanical reliability in exchange of simply planning for the form factor of your rig wins the day for me by far.
Thx linus
no noise comparaison ?
Pumps make a lot of noise if they aren't the oversized custom loop ones
All air coolers performed at least as good as the water cooling units but the water cooling units used at least as many fans and a water pump.
Clearly the Air cooler is more quiet. Try cranking those AIO to the max and compare to Noctua's I own Noctuas and I run all of them max speed yet it's dead silent. My GPU is the most noisy.
taief miah I literally cannot hear my corsair all in one water cooler. You have to put your ear to the cooler itself to do so.
owning couple noctua fans and h100 aio, noctua fans would kick ass in every category.
h100 stock fans were noisy and their sound was disturbing. when i replaced them with noctua fans, i had to check if they were running. after i confirmed they were working and were dead silent, i used a synthetic benchmark cause i believed they would suck at cooling if they were so quiet.
nope, same-better performance while being barely audible with LNA cable (included). tried without LNA cable, now the fans were quite loud, but they sounded like "clear air", cant really explain it better, but they were NOT disturbing.
i put the LNA cable back on though, cause without it the fans were so strong that cooled my cpu below the "high performance range" in couple minutes, so fans were ramping up-down every few minutes
air vs water... but then the fire nation attacked
My Channel Has Only 1Video Just To Make You Happy ayyyy that not bad
Only the avatar could keep the temps low, but when summer arrived, he vanished.
My Channel Has Only 1Video Just To Make You Happy only the phase cooler,master of all the coolers could stop them
My Channel Has Only 1Video Just To Make You Happy .. Well too bad both air and water beat fire :/
Fire Nation AKA the i9-7900X Kappa
The background music is just awesome!
So, to summarise: If you're building an ITX, water-cool it. If you're using a Full Tower then Air-Cool.
I have a mistrust of water-cooling. Probably because i'm not an experienced builder, and the idea of having a water pump in the very heart of electronics sounds wrong, especially as pump failures and leakages aren't too uncommon. Saying that, I feel like my next build should be a Mini-ITX. It's the 'in' thing to do at the moment.
I had a Cooler Master Seidon v.2 120v, the smallest AIO i could get my hands on at the time I bought it. I had the same concerns, but wanted to try out water cooling at the same time. Overclocking wasn't a concern, I was just curious. It was amazing. It kept my i5 3470 at around 53°C under full load and turbo boosting, with 27°C ambient room temperature (it gets really hot here during the summer). And then two years later the pump died. I replaced it with a be quiet Pure Rock Slim, the biggest air cooler I can mount in my case, but it fails to deliver anywhere near the performance of the cheapest, smallest AIO I could find.
thats because u never measure the temp when the water heated up enough. Cooper/metal in aircooler is faster to get hot but also faster to dissipate. the water is contrary when it is slower to get hot, but also slower to dissipate when hot. if u still have that seidon and use that aida/prime or whatsoever to compare with the pure rock, than under 1-2 hours the seidon will win, when the water heated up upon time, and its already 3 hrs or so, u can see slight diffrence between them as i bet the bigger chance the bequiet will win
Justin Rafael Nope, we're talking about 8 hours of nonstop benchmarking with full load across the system (I went to work and back home and left aida and furmark running). While the Pure Rock Slim is a really good air cooler, the CPU runs about 7°C (60-61°C vs 52-53°C with the Seidon) hotter with it. Maybe the full size Pure Rock would be better, but I cannot mount it because of height constraints. Still, if we look at the price/performance ratio, the Pure Rock Slim wins, because it has no coolant pump, and running at the low sixties is still perfectly within normal operating temps, especially considering the relatively high ambient temp of the room. The Seidon's pump started to seize up after a mere two and a half years of usage, thus becoming completely useless unfortunately, but while it worked, it was amazing.
My first pc that i build was an X99 with an AIO, lol, but i get it, after 2 years of use, i just decided to remove my AIO and change it up for an Air cooler, most likely due of 2 reasons, safety and had enough space for a good one with similar performance, now the AIO i putted it on an ITX, and truly, is the best option available due of size and good performance as well.
I would also consider in how much do you use your pc daily, if you use your pc for working, specially for rendering/calculation tasks for a lot of hours, i would just go for air anyways, less chances that the AIO dies due of just lifespan, but if you really want WC still and will use it for very long hours, i would consider in getting a clear WC system (maybe a case as well) so you can see when maybe the WC needs maintenance.
Justin Rafael Just put some ice in the water -_- geez..
Yeah but are those ONE YEAR BENCHMARK PC's still running?
Eddie Spaghetti ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS!!
Eddie Spaghetti a
Yep they are still running, and should be in a video next month! :)
You mean to test whether positive, negative or neutral airflow is best?
Well, they said they'd test them for a year, which was back in December so... Results this December.
If any of you are worried about the project, then updates would just spoil the results and ruin the video's surpise or accuracy even
f your concern is mismanagement... Then how on earth can you give them the benefit of the doubt that they can leave these those 3 PCs running for a year? Think of how much they can forge their results in that time for some... Mischievous purposes.
Didnt they say at some point, during wan show I think, that they scrapped the test due to some reason? Like the dust collection in that place being way too big or something?
The title says final anwer? They're going to make another one of these in a year, you will see.
Austriahero3000 In the 41st millennia there is only war.....and knowledge of preferable cooling solutions.
Austriahero3000 final answer for currently avaliable products
That is the ultimate truth 👍🏻
Keep going baby
They will, and Linus will say it looks like crap ;P
Austriahero3000 just because there's an answer doesn't mean they wouldn't do it again
a quick disclaimer: i spent way too much time researching all this stuff since im upgrading my current build so ill share what i learned. one huge thing to consider is the lifetime of your cooler. AIO pumps frequently fail within the first few months, and you will have to get them replaced (sometimes multiple times) which can take weeks. they do look good though.
on the other hand, air cooling will not run into this problem because its just a bunch of metal sheets that spread the heat out, meaning air coolers can last MANY years more than an AIO.
and since high end air coolers practically grant the same temps as AIOs, its hard to convince someone to cough up an extra 100$ to get liquid cooling instead.
“What’s the ultimate cooler for this CPU, we have the answer”
*Pours Liquid Nitrogen on it*
These are the types of videos I want to keep seeing from Linus, not some random troll DIY nonsense.
I like both... :/
0:54 "Good cooling makes me wet."
I about did a spit take with my coffee. 😂😂😂
802 Garage hey friend
Sure it wasn't the creamer?
SMB Garage Yo! Funny how many people end up watching similar vids to me.
HA!!! Gottem!
good cooler won't make you wet, cuz it won't leak xDDDDD
I would gave liked a noise comparison aswell. Thank you for the video. Reallly helped out
2:22 I thought he was about to say visually appealing for a second there!
Do we ever really get a "Final Answer" from Linus?
Sunny Sandhar no
I dare ltt to pin this lol
No, because then there would be less for people to argue about in the comments
Sunny Sandhar the answer is the best is custom watercooling.
It Depends ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SO MUCH HAS CHANGED!
same answer everyone knew already.
Thx bro you safe my computer! Keep doing this mazing techinic job! Cheers mate!
Ok, proformance is everything. Putz. Also your airflow of your case. I have a coolmaster 5 fan case. Temps, at max 71c.
5 years later we'll see another battle of air vs water coolers.
Fans? Custom watercooling??? Hah! Noobs! Only airplane engines for *my* Core i7!
That would work, but you'd get a monstrous dose of radiation in the process.
ToadAwesome12 I recommend sub zero temperatures in space.
ikr, these noobs are so not pc master race
Oh so you were the guy on cs that sounded like he was playing during flight in the plane
PFFF airplane engines??? Try and beat my very own nuclear cooling tower
Thanks Linus! that was a great Video!
Happy Birthday Linus!
good cooling shouldnt make you wet if you dont have any leaks
CalculatinGenius Everyone takes a leak sometimes. It's extremely unhealthy not to.
ALRIGHT THIS IS JUST GETTING PUNCEPTION, IN A FEW MINUTES I WOULDNT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
Just hold it in long enough and it will automatically recirculate. Trust me, I'm an engineer...
If you want guaranteed no leaks, stick with air cooling.
Madame Minty you think its funny my friends PC got fucked due to leakage worked fine a cooler master h60 ruined his 900$ rig. But the CM guys were nice enough to give the money back but who knows if they decide not to give your money back what would someone do.
"it depends" haha loved it. it does depend! i dont understand why yall need him to tell you what to think, they gave us the facts, combine this with your brainpower and VOILA! We have the answer, we just gotta think, i know its hard but... you can do it!
So air cooling is better.
iT DePeNdS
@@ObsidiaBeast Except that surface area is important when using a heat spreader to spread the heat over a larger area. Yes, the dies are under the block but areas of the IHS not covered by the block are leaving cooling potential on the table.
Also AIOs perform worse than custom loop water cooling so it's more accurate to say "air and AIO are comparable" in these open bench tests but depending on the case you might get better results with an AIO since air flow restrictions in the case are real. True water loops are hard to beat thermally. Especially at a given sound level.
I think water is better, because fans not only cool the radiator, but also blow the air out of the case.
#NoLeakSquad
Compared to using AIOs then yh there around the same. You really only get a real advantage with water when you go down the custom water cooling loop. But not everyone is comfortable with that given its mote more complex and quite pricey
the surround sound audio in this video has me looking around with my headphones on incredible
Air cooling is a clear winner in my opinion, and also you didn't mention the water cooling possible leaks.
Sufian Diraneyya I am with you there .why do I want to worry about a leak going off in my PC ? I'd rather worry about a fan that will probably never die, and if it does my PC will still be fine
*The background music had me ripping off my headphones multiple times thinking a cell phone was ringing somewhere!*
A. M. XD same
*Has discord changed their ringtone*
LOL MAN, SAME HERE
A. M. How do you write why those bold letters?
Why is nobody else mentioning this wtf lol
I love how strate forward he it is❤️
I just got both for TR4..the 280mm V2 of the enermax AIO and the Noctua U14S..both are awesome coolers! just need another Treadripper build so i can use both :)
I think as the TR socket ages and we see more aio coolers with larger cold plates we will see the aio performance pull ahead. As it stands the older coolers smaller cold plate not having as much coverage as the air coolers in surprised that the aios performed even half as well as they did.
Calling it now : It depends.
ay lmao ur rite m8
Haven't watched yet, but yes, this is the correct answer
Given Name You were right
I sensed he felt a little shame when he said it
@06:55
Changed from H100x to Noctua NH-D15s. Air cooling is and was the best. And keep in mind that top of my PC where radiator was, was hot from the beginning now it has cool air and now i don't even have fans installed on top of my PC and my PCU went from 98 to 33 celsius degrees. Water pump was making huge noise after 2-3 years. Air cooling is the best for me!
Linus... the master of "it depends" videos!
Since Linus lives in Canada and temperatures there get low, it would be great to see a video where he uses winter air to cool a cpu for overclocking.
Those solutions are super complex and expensive. And you have to get a "normal" cooling solutions anyways, since you'd want to use your computer during the summer.
With that said, it has been done in some very cold areas, but only for servers.
Actually... Linus lives on the west coast of Canada, which is subtropical in places. Even in winter, it's not getting cold there. For the kind of cold you're thinking of, you'll want to head east, over the Rocky Mountains; the Prairies get super-cold (occasionally hitting 'it's warmer on Mars' every once in a blue moon).
i want to see a test where they use an aquarium to cool a radiator (aluminium radiators don't harm water quality)
Cyber Rat yup, Dec. 14, 2009 Edmonton AB was the coldest place on the planet, and the few days around that time it was in second and third. Prairies are damn cold sometimes!
it would be easier to just run external input/output from a laptop and leave the laptop in the window sill ,that's how i used to cool a shitty laptop when i was trying to game and it kept overheating
I’m doing both in my builds
Thanks for this really informative vid. I think I might go with the air coolers though.👍😄
I think that a fun build-y build video would be creating a heat sink for both CPU and GPU for the wow factor as well as showing the upper limit of what air can do, but focusing mostly on the actual creation aspect of the building with some cool maths thrown in for the math nerdz. And then at the end depending on results either giving one or both away or keeping them as "super air cooler" for future comparison things.
air vs water
*MELTING CPU*
3:50 For Results
And, at 04:30 The two coolers swap graph sides after the overclock. And apparently the Noctua is leading in power draw by using 1.5W's extra. And apparently both have throttled, and therefore they both get points...
this is really useful since i always want maximise my pc performence now i know i dont have to waste my money on something i dont need
this video made me decided to subscribe you, go Linus go!
I am trying a submersed geo-thermal cooling option. The entire machine short the HDD's and optical drives are submersed in a pure mineral spirit base liquid. All USB ports and other human access ports are extended to an external panel. All fans are removed, including power supply. The fluid is pumped in from the bottom and extracted from the middle of the submersion bath using a single Grundfos circulatory pump. I extract from the middle to avoid low fluid or aeration problems and to extract the greater amount of hot fluid. The fluid is pumped out into the buried pipe coil 36" and deeper under the surface of the yard in the grassy area. This allows very high heat dissipation, zero noise since the pump is not in the room and very very low ambient temps. The cpu will not get cooler than the ambient temperature of the air cooling the liquid. You can always install a radiator in a swamp cooler if you cool your house that way, then you get very low ambient temps, during the winter use propylene glycol due to ultra low ambient temps.
Master-race detected! : O
Looks like im saving $100 on a h100i. Gonna keep my evo 212 and just add another fan for push pull.
MrDulvalius69 I had the evo 212 and pulled it off for the h110i actually. I’m so glad I did. My temps are amazing and can clock
Up more.
Granted I never ran push pull on the evo 212... it was good overall but the h110i went to great.
The Dark Phantom yeah mine is running about 4 degrees cooler with the extra fan. Im about 65 degrees under full load with my 2600k oc to 4.6. It was worth it for me.
MrDulvalius69 so does it mean that 2x fans are equal to Turbo 212 right? is there any differences?
@@MrDulvalius69 really? 4 degrees? I have a 212 evo with a 3770 @4.1 ghz, and now I'm considering add another 12mm fan to have push/pull
That person doing the little quotes under the intro graphic, I think I love you. You always make me LOL.
Love the reviews.
Anything water can do air will do better -- Opinion.
While not the best cooler the CMH 212 Evo at 30.00 blows just about all other options out of the water.
MasterAir Maker 8 is rather pricey at 100.00 but by far the best cooler I've ever used thus far.
0:36 "...in ways that we haven't never seen before."
He said have never
@@YRO. except he didn't
*HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU NOT COMPARE THE NOISE* :v
It's like the #2 thing people are thinking of when talking about air vs liquid. Obviously if you push the fan to the point where it sounds like a space shuttle taking off it's gonna be cool, but noone would want that
I'd assume all fans going full speed since it was throttling, so sound should be comparable unless the fans themselves had different max speeds. The fan speed during idle would be more interesting in that regard.
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The Air cooler will almost certainly be quieter than the liquid one. Fewer fans and no pump make sure of that. Also, noctua makes some quality fans.
Noise makes very little difference in a real world scenario. Ambient noise and/or headphones drowns out all but ear-damaging db levels
The liquid will definitly be quieter. The air cooler fan will have to operate at a much higher rpm to push as much air as the 2 fans on the liquid cooler. 1 fast fan will be louder than 2 slow ones.
The best water cooling solution is by far full immersion in Novek 7000. You can overclock anything and it will stay at ~ 44 C
Very good comparison. Nice work;-)
Linus, you should just rebrand LTT to "It Depends" lol
There are advantages to a water loop that aren't being considered in this video. Ambient air temp inside an actual case is a major one... The second is that if the components are liquid cooled, you need to be taking less - if any - air into the case itself --- resulting in cleaner internal components.
There are also several other issues with this test -- the first is that the Air Coolers you used were designed to cover the entire heat spreader and the AIO's were not, despite their being AIO's available with plates that fully cover threadripper... The second is that the largest tested was a 280mm radiator --- I'd like to have seen testing done with a 360 and even a 480. 280mm radiators are not much more efficient than comparable air coolers when dealing with such high TDP's.
I guess you are right but the prices for these are a lot higher .... which is a big factor
You made some solid points here
at that point you end up with coolers that cost x3 or x4 as much as a decent air cooler which is something most people won't ever spend on a cooler.
@@randomdudeontheinternet9926 And that is fine. No one is saying you have to invest in a high-end loop if you don't want. My point was this video was making the comparison and it was somewhat flawed or at least didn't take into account the entire picture.
For the vast majority of people, a high quality air cooler is perfectly fine.
My fans in my pc run at 4000rpm. It also has been running around 100c for the last couple of months, 24/7. So I would say air cooling works really good.
Water cooling looks dope!
I don't know why people care so much about water cooling, it's a minor difference in performance if at all. Aircooling on the other hand is much cheaper, much more reliable, has greater longevity, almost no maintenance, and if properly implemented it's quieter as well. You'd need some very specific and demanding needs to justify watercooling.
I had a pump fail in an H80i and the OG H100 sprung a leak where the return hose meets the rad. Meanwhile, I have a Xigmatek Dark Knight 2 tower on a 3770k that still to this day runs sub 70c at 4.8ghz 1.344v since I bought it 5 years ago. Never had an issue from it one bit. Just blow it out from time to time.
Liquid is cool, but it's always in the back of my mind when It's on my main rigs and the temps are more or less the same, just get a good tower, install it prpoerly with good high grade TC and forget it.
Shawn..what's your ambient temperature?
I keep the room around 19-21c. All my cases are high air flow with 230mm fans.
Shawn...
I think that your 70c at 4.8GHz is freaking awesome,yet it is air cooled...mine is water cooled but idle temp is around 50s celcius, and 70s clcius when it is loaded at about just below 20%.
The temp get worse (80s clcius) if the load is about 40%. In fact,I dont overclock my CPU .
After reading reviews from the intrnet, I think it may be caused by either the CPU heat management failure or the AIO water cooling. Lately, I am more sure that the main cause of the high CPU temp without full load and without overclocking (yet I dont like to overclock it) is beacause of the AIO water cooling itself. I find that the water inside it has reduced as I can hear the sound of water when I shake the radiator, it's like there's air inside. I 've just used it for less than 1 and half years. It just makes me feel that it's a burden in maintaining AIO water cooling system even though I know that water cooling can reduce more temp than the air cooling one, but the common flaw (yeah I think it's common when it involves water) of AIO water cooling makes it seems
worse than the other one.
ur advantage is that ur ambient temp is pretty low...
when I was in Australia, it's pretty cool that I dont have to really bother about the cpu temp, yet I still didnt overclock it. The ambient temp was below 10c during winter. CPU temp will be just about 30s clcius I think when fully loaded...idle temp will be just around 10c + ambient temp =around 20s. but I dont like summer, urrghh hot
Would you suggest for me to try air cooling?? I really have no experience with that. I just wonder what would the cpu temp be if I overclock it..lol
Hard to say really. There are a lot of different variables that can determine how hot or cool a CPU runs. 4th and 5th gen i7's were notoriously hot for example, while the 2nd and 8th gen i7's can easily handle 5ghz on a decent sub $50 cooler. Airflow within the case plays another large factor. If I'm going to go the air route, I make sure the case has large front and side fans, just makes things a lot easier temps wise from my experience.
Air cooling is no harder to install over AIO's. Though AIO's are better for smaller, thinner cases. As some air towers can struggle with top clearance. I exclusively use GELID's GC Extreme thermal paste. A bit of a PITA to work with, but the performance is pretty much best of the lot. Almost 12c cooler than Arctic SIlver 5 on average. Stuffs amazing. Your thermal compound is arguably a bit more important on air cooling than liquid. so don't skimp here. The best part about air cooling, is once you install it (takes a few minutes) you're done. You dont have to worry about leaks, pump failures etc. Just blow it out from time to time. If you get a good one, usually 50-75 USD it's going to perform more or less the same as a top end AIO.
Plenty of sites that test and rate various coolers and put them on a graph. Just go down the list from the top down till you find the best one in your budget/compatitble with your CPU socket
I got my first water cooled CPU a year ago, and I’m never going back to air again. I’m sure Linus’s tests we’re spot on, but purely in my own experience, Water is incredible quiet, and seems to have to barely work to keep everything super cool while pushing my rig simultaneous running high-end games and doing video editing on the fly.
what my air cooler made less noise then my water cooler not more?
A lot of old school veteran PC builders prefer Air Cooling and I can definitely see why. No worries about a pump or tubing falling leaking water or destroying your cpu cuz you see the fans spinning but can't tell if the pump is actually running until your PC crashes. I rather do air as much as possible. Replacing a failing fan is easy. Replacing a whole pump and raidiator is costly.
The kraken nzxt g12 works great for keeping gpus cool, it dropped my gpu from 70c to 45c under load. H55 aio
rly? they didnt mention the noise at all?
Was just thinking this. As a person with a gtx 970, stock nzxt h440 and a shitty air cpu cooler....yea, its loud.
I have a big noctua cooler with two fans and it doesn't make a sound
are you running an OC setup? if yes no sound at 100% at all? O.o currently running an older i7 with its stock cooler which is loud af. so i was thinking about upgrading to ryzen with a noctua fan
+Pinkie Pie You cant hear Noctua fans.I mean you can if you crank up on 100%.
When I bought H115i I was cryng.those fans are so loud,bought Noctua fans and now I dont know if machine is working or not :)
ohh wow sounds great. was thinking about the fanless case they showed off a while ago since i hate those noises. so those comments kinda helped me more then the video...
I haven't even watched the video and I know that the final answer is gonna start with "Well, It depends..."
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I do both. Ive got a game maxx 240mm water cooler for my cpu and I've got 3 corsair rgb 120mm aio fans :)
I use 360mm AIO and it is really necessary for my CPU, which is a 5900x. Even with it, its temps are still in the high 80s during full load
What about noise level?
Yep this is the main problem with AIOs, louder to achieve the same temps in my experience, not much point in this review without that test. Also tend to hear the pump even at idle which you don't have to worry about with air.
Noctua also wins on that one.
+1 for me, one main factor is noise. Air coolers tend to be better in my experience.
WarmSoftKitty the h115i are loud as fuck, same goes for the h100i the noctua nh d15 is far more quiet.
Noctua wins when it comes to noise level. But if you really wanted quieter AIO cooling. You could replace the fancy rgb fans on your AIO with tacky noctua fans anyways. Only issue then would be the occasional bubbly gurgling sounds from the pump.
This is not the recommendation I need when it's -40 outside UA-cam
°F or °C?
"...yes"
I can t explain how many times you have actually helped me. Like, i don't know man, you are such a #Genius.
Thank you for all the help you are providing.
#Respect!
My enormous chassis combined with the prism fan that came with my 3700X keeps my gpu under 63 degrees even when overclocked and under stress testing. It worked out well for me.
The answer is Air cooling...
It's cheaper, it's more reliable, it's easier to fix, it's easier to install, it lasts for decades, it's easier to clean and the list goes on...
I'm saying this as someone who has build lots of different Systems and those where I used an Air Cooling option never brought me any angry customers. Water cooling sounds cool and high tech, but they won't last long. Usually around 3-5 years. The reason for the short lifespan is simply the corrosion of metals used and those fucking pipes. And the next issue I faced a lot is, that people don't know how to take care of their water cooling system. I even have GPUs old as fuck with overclocked fans and they still work properly.
Air cooling pretty much never breaks. I mean heat sinks will last decades and there isn't much to go wrong. It's really the fan that will break and those are dead easy to replace on heatsinks and takes 2 minutes to replace. Water cooling is only better when you go down the custom water cooling loop but then thats way more complicated and expensive.
I'm about to build my first ever personal PC and my concern with water cooling is the probable leaks that could happen. I don't want liquid dripping over my GPU and eventually frying it if I don't notice the leak right away. That's a hefty additional cost right there if it ever breaks.
@@mangosteen. I wouldn't recommend anybody who builts his first PC to be water-cooled. As I already said, even those who have the knowledge tend to do a lot of mistakes which on the other side will cost a lot of money. Go with a bequiet CPU-Cooler if you have the space in your case.
All the sudden all air and gasses disappear on earth in 9.9 years
Personally, I like to see a more in-depth demonstration using other/better water-cooling kits, maybe even some custom set-ups, because Threadripper cooling under OC load will be the next real challenge...and it will be interesting to see what kinds of solutions people will come up with. (Hint-hint, Linus!) ^_^
Was air cooling my R7 2700 @ 4,1ghz... pulled the trigger on a 240mm AIO and haven't looked back! Temps are 10° cooler at idle and 15° cooler under load...
I feel like the it depends answer is becoming a series all its own lmao
TLDW: It depends.
so which one is good, just use both..
My AIO just lasted one year plus …. Not gonna use AIO anymore… Air is the way to go for me
Thanks Linus good video.Just built- i5-7600K with CM 212 EVO GREAT!!!! O.C. to 4.8 Stable for days-PS, I de-lided the processor beforehand with a Rocket-88.
Aldo D. Why should we delid? Isn't air or water cooling enough?
Why does Linus look in the ad spot like his nose had been broken about a week ago? No meme intended
Lorenzo Risi thats what happens when u marry an asian woman.
OmerTheGreatOne It probably happened while having kinky sex 😂😂😂
As soon as Linus said HD video went from 360p to 144p
Spotted the continuity error, linus gets a spot on his nose in an 8 minute video :)
I would have liked to have an idea of what is best if the next important factor after performance is noise: water or air?