Jay, hey man i'm a disabled vet and because of your videos i learned to build computers (a hobby i can still do every few years market permitting). i know it doesn't mean much but i just want to say thank you
Hey do you have a job? If not I totally understand btw because you have a disability but you should look for a volunteering job of computer recycling I saw one not long ago and it seems like a really fun thing tbh tearing down pcs and making them obviously you probably don't get to keep them but yeah seems good probably my plan at retirement tbh
Thank you for your service..... I am on SSDI so it is all about what I can afford and I am also not a gamer. I want to do videos but do not need a big system. I just want it organized on the inside and in the programs for performance. Putting one together is not to hard but computer language and understand what everything does is hard. Trying to remember all of it is even harder. It look me years to get around Win 7 now jumping into Win 10 then THEY ungraded my system to Win 11 so I might make a clean install back to Win 10. I liked it better.
Honestly I admire your spunk and drive keep up being awesome hopefully I can do stuff like this when I get old and am able to just be in my garage building pcs
Jay, have you ever made a video showing the performance of cards over the generations. Say like Performance of a 980 to 1080 to 2080 to 3080 to see the generation improvement and to see some awesome Phil bar graphs
At first I thought you were asking about a video detailing the performance of a card over the course of it's expected lifespan taking into account driver updates and optimizations. This would also be interesting. I feel like just like consoles, GPUs get better as they go... most of the time. Some updates have me rolling back like a Walmart sale but for better or worse there's probably some stories to tell in there
It would obviously be mostly historical and "useless" info but an interesting topic maybe. I've always stuck with Nvidia because it's my understanding they are better than Radeon at keeping things up to date driver-wise. But I never really hear much about Radeon in general but I might be looking at something different after my experience with the entry level 20 series cards. Borderline false advertising to have RTX on the shroud of a 2060.
@@T-DsGaming Sounds about right, I went with a mainly value oriented build with a R5 2600, RX580 8GB, 2x8GB 3200 RAM, and a B450 Tomahawk. My only regret is the 550w PSU that will need swapped if I want a more powerful GPU. I use it mainly for older games like CSGO and GTAV, some light photo and video editing and running Kali in VMware. Meets all of my needs just fine
Then you might as well buy a used PC from 5-10 years ago for maybe $200-300, since performance per $ is now only going get worse with time, even without a silicon shortage. I still use a W7 PC built in 2012. Only has a 1080ti (replaced a Radeon 7970 4 years ago), 3770k (4 cores/8 threads), and 16GB DDR3-1600 but that is still more than adequate for most sane things (ie not protein folding, rendering AVN's, testing nukes, predicting the weather, training an AI, etc). Performance is overrated and just marketing bullshit if you don't actually need or use it (ie I'm a movie collector often Handbraking a bunch of raw bluray dump downloads to h265 and since I'm not falling behind on my job list after running that 24/7 I don't need a faster cpu, a 1080 ti is still good enough for just about all games if you don't care about 4k or raytracing, etc). No one needs a Porche 911 for just a daily commute to work (unless you also street race or something).
As a programmer, I appreciate my 9900K. Compiling code is one of the few tasks that can be multithreaded really effectively. Multithreaded compiling can change my compile time on large projects from minutes to second, which real adds up over the course of a project.
While true that it does make a difference, what also makes a difference is structuring the project so that full rebuilds are rare. Doing this and setting the IDE to build on save I almost never notice waiting for building. Depends on language and platform of course. I used to work with the build system for a large company’s cell phone platform, which was tens of millions of lines of code in C and this was so heavy to build it took a cluster of 16 dedicated servers over 15 minutes to do a full rebuild and it was monolithic so no partial builds was possible.. but I digeess…
I agree. Teaching myself Unreal Engine 5 and frequently waiting for shared project shader recompilations (which are handled by CPU threads) is what motivated most to build a new 12th gen i9 PC to replace my aging 4th gen i7 system. (These are mostly one-time events but still would take hours each time.) It wasn't gaming being slow - which actually was still pretty decent for me. If we're smart we'll buy components that best fit the tasks we're trying to accomplish.
@@edwinafamefuna4383 Yes. It was the top of the line 9th gen consumer Intel processor. While it is still a good processor, I wouldn't build a new system with it. For budget builds or mid-level builds, I would go with a Ryzen current gen processor. For a high-end build, you really can't beat the i9 12900k, the current top of the line processor.
I started watching you a few months ago, along with a few other similar channels. Yall taught me enough to build my own with absolutely no experience. I did it and its so sick! Thank you for all the informative videos. I literally couldn't have done it without you. ❤
Your points on power supplies is spot on. Up until I built me latest modern build I was running a 10-year old 750W Corsair 80 Bronze PSU. And only because I needed more connectors.
I'd truly like to thank you for admitting that things you may have done on your channel were possibly "part of the problem" (even though I don't necessarily see it that way) and are heading back to the roots for the sake of your fans. I don't think you guys should feel bad or like you've done anything wrong by building all those crazy machines and pushing everything to the max. Anyone who has followed this channel for even a small amount of time should know how practical and no-bullshit the information you present is, and realize that wild builds like Skunkworks is NOT the standard consumer (maybe not even standard enthusiast) reality as far as price is concerned. but those videos are so great! It really shows where your heart is by switching gears from your passion projects so that you can help keep others from being robbed blind by useless "bells and whistles" or entirely impractical things. Thanks again, from myself and all your fans.
As someone from the Tropics region of the world. I was using an air cooler. But I was hitting almost 80 C on CPU during gameplay. Switched to an AIO and I'm going 69C max. I'm happy with it. It really didn't give me a performance boost, but definitely cured my Anxiety of the CPU going in flames. Cooler vs Anxiety is a good trade.
fwiw modern cpu's are basically designed to hit 95c (amd) or 105c (intel). 80C is hot but very "fine". Lower is better, sure, but not really a big deal either.
I'll attest to that Vetroo V5. I put one on my Ryzen 9 5900x and it kept the idle temps 33-38C. Load, non-overclocked, at 65C pulling 135 watts. Even overclocked at 85C pulling 190 watts. It did have 2 fans attached to it. It truly is a wonderous cheap cooler. I can't recommend that thing enough.
@@sujanmj23 you have to buy the 1700 brackets for 7 or 8 dollars. Thats what I did for the i5 12600k and it works amazingly with it, Idle temps 21C, max temp with Cinebench running 73C, @15C ambient temps
Wow... Just a big THANK YOU very much. I've been retired from IT for 10 years, and SOO Much has changed as i start to get back in to Building PC's. After watching several of your videos, I've realized where I could improve. (Buying what you need etc. without going over board.) Educational and helpful. Many Many thanks.
Hi Jay. I'm on my second build now and both times I called heavily on your back catalogue of extremely helpful videos and tutorials to get me through. Just wanted to say thanks.
I used win2000 pro serv i liked how it had multi cpu support so used it in my first multi core build .. liked how you can assign cpus for processes .. i assigned games to core 2
Jay you should do some kind of a showdown where you build an ultimate system that is near top of the line and then build your best bang for the buck system and show just how much you lose when you compare the two and just how much money that extra performance costs you.
Better yet, do the same showdown but with the budget rig with settings turned down far enough to get the same frame rates as the top tier rig. Show a fidelity side by side for how much that ray tracing and 4k resolution costs you.
Really good down to earth advice! I have been running a R5 3500x, 16Gb 3200, RX5500XT 8Gb machine for over a year now. At 1080p this setup is more than adequate for my needs. I am lucky to have a trusted local computer specialist that offered me a good price for my build especially considering recent supply problems/scalping. £350 for B550M/3500x/16Gb 3200 bundle and £290 for the 8Gb Sapphire Pulse card. I decided on a fairly budget build so I could afford a decent case, AIO, nvme drive, 650watt supply as well as gaming peripherals, monitor etc. The plan is that when prices eventually hopefully get back to sanity I have a decent foundation for future upgrades. :-)
Another point Jay did not mention in favor of SATA SSD's is that generally their performance is very stable at max speed for large file transfers. NVME drives, especially budget ones, will get hot and throttle speed massively (slow down to HDD speeds) on big sustained file transfers (like multi GB's).
I've been sticking to Ryzen 5 cpus, they get the job done and I'm still using an MSI GTX 1070ti with no issues. I don't really care for ray tracing so I've never seen a reason to blow the cash on anything higher or newer
Yeah a 1070 is pretty healthy at this point. It might not put out the constant 144+ fps as when it was new, but somewhere along the way Nvidia enabled Freesync so we're good for a few more years I think.
Actually, your big high-powered builds showed me where I could cut corners and get similar performance. I've enjoyed all your builds that I have watched. You said everything I just did with my new system on a budget. Thanks for all the help you have given to me so far and in the future.
I'm still running on an amd phenom II and the bottleneck is the memory controller. The CPU is still good enough to run 3 virtual machines at once and have several tabs open in Firefox on each system. On my next PC in 5-10 years, I'm gonna use ddr4 or better to combat this issue.
Thanks for bringing some balance to the discussion. Even though you build huge, unnecessarily expensive computers, I have to say that's a lot of what makes the channel so much fun to watch. I *like* watching you put together something that I would never be able to afford myself. It's good for people to remember they don't actually need to spend that much.
I was using a thermaltake toughpower 850w power supply for 12 years of more or less nonstop use, probably closer to 50% of the rated capacity, and never had one issue. Before I replaced it, the voltages still looked pretty decent. I figured 12 years was long enough and it had a good life. I upgraded to a modular PSU that can support the current video cards with no problem.
Had my finances allowed at the time (before prices went stupid), my current 'new' system would likely have had a 2700X (remember when they were selling for $165), and a 1660 Super on a B450 Tomahawk motherboard. Even that would have been more computer than I'd have needed. Then things went nuts with cryptomining and shipping delays and suddenly that really decent sub $1000 system became a $1600 system if not more and that assuming one could even get the GPU at all. There was no way I was going to spend that amount on that level performance so I ended up with a system with a 5900X (was only like $70 more than a 5800X and I do use the extra cores for some things) and a 3070. Sure I had to order through an SI and wait 10 weeks, but I didn't pay scalper prices and have a system that is basically overkill for a lot of what I do, but it sure is nice when I load up something like Cities Skylines and don't bog down or have to worry about how many tabs and apps I have running. It should last me 10 years baring anything actually failing (I'm not joking).
here in brazil things are crazy because everything is expensive even before the crypto crisis, our coin is worthless, and you need to work a whole year or more to pay a pc
I've been out of the loop a bit for a few years, thinking the inflated prices make it pointless to build a pc. I really appreciate these videos Jay, it's giving me some hope that I don't need to pay thousands of dollars for a new gaming pc.
It's not pointless, the new GPUs are made purely for 2k/4k monitors. For a 1080p 144hz u can choose a 3070 or heck even a 4060 ti and you'd be good. It sucks but that's how it is
i just got a 6650xt the other day, cheap, better then a 3060, maybe 10 frames less then a 4060 most of the time but about 40% less, got myself a 10400 cpu, 8 cores and more then good enough but at a really good price. what can i say? my wife bitches if i spend too much hahahaha
@@visitante-pc5zc dont even get me started man lmao. directly after moaning i spend too much for buying a graphics card for the first time in like seven years "hey can i get these boots?"
Like the Grandma Build he did a little while ago... but I feel like it kinda gets away from the "Jay-nesssss" of the channel. (I would appreciate some "cheapest watercooled system possible" videos though)
I've always been a budget/mid-level buyer with my PC builds, and once my pc was complete, over time I would upgrade parts here and there as I could afford to to keep it somewhat current. I kept an FX-6100 Zambezi in my system for many years until I upgraded to an A10-7870k, which I kept until Ryzen. When I upgraded from Ryzen 1600 to a 2700x, I changed my MOBO from a B350 to an X570, which I'm still using. GPUs have always been mid/high level and maybe a generation behind. Right now I'm very happy with my 5800X/6900XT build. Just swapped cases for the first time in 9 years, as the 6900XT was too big for my old case. The next upgrade will be a more modern PSU. My Corsair TX850M is about 9-10 years old. Still going strong, but a modern 850 will likely be more efficient.
I built my first PC in 10 years 6 months ago. I've been swapping out parts and doing some fun upgrades along the way. Everything I learned about what you need and what you don't need is exactly what Jay said in this video.
There are some things I actually disagree with Jay on for build. IE only getting what you need right now, had I done so I could have afforded one of the extremely overpriced GPU's last spring but I sincerely doubt I would have the butter smooth experience that I currently have even a year later. I had a $3000 budget last year and went with mid to high tier components across the board including room for a new GPU but after 3 to 4 months of sitting on $1000 left over for GPU I gave up and just bought a new, bigger, monitor and some nice peripherals n such to round out my system nicely.
Yea if speed of the drive is not going into the argument anyways, then gen 3 nvme drives are actually cheaper than SSDs at my local retailers and most online shops too. Even comparing within the same brand, nvme is often cheaper. Rn I can get 2tb kingston nvme gen 3 for 20% cheaper than 1.8tb SSD (also from kingston). And even gen 3 nvme is still vastly faster than any sata SSD.
also with games you aren't reading singular large files, but rather a shit ton of small files. One of the reasons the difference with gaming is so small. Now on the other hand, handling large video or cad files is another topic where the difference is felt.
Me too. When I upgraded my sata SSD to M.2, I didn't notice any difference when launching apps and games. The only difference I noticed is boot time. It's around 4 seconds faster now. lol
Coming into this video a month late, I found myself chuckling when in a video sponsored by Kioxia NVMe drives, Jay explains that "you don't really need an NVMe drive."
I got a m.2 SATA drive, 2TB for about 200 when I built my PC, and it was definitely speedy. I don't think I would've necessarily noticed a difference in SATA vs NVME, but I definitely appreciate the cleaner look in my case.
Not to be "that guy" but the "M.2" form factor only comes in NVMe / PCIe form while SATA SSD's are always 2.5" drives connected to the motherboard via SATA cable.
@@jayjuarez9500 Samsung can call SSDs what they want in marketing ("SATA-based M.2" for example), but the interfaces at which they connect and their form factors stay true. They either connect via the PCIe interface (meaning they are in the M.2 form factor), or they connect via a SATA cable (meaning they are in the 2.5" form factor).
One thing I've learned is to never cheap out on the psu. Get one that is gold or higher and has a good warranty with good reviews that shows it was built with good components.
Usually, but not guaranteed (gigabytes' bad batch). GamersNexus did a video going into detail about it. Also, let's not get correlation and causation mixed up. But I agree, don't cheap out on psu
Easy shopping list for a PSU: Name Brand, 700w and your good...Nothing else needed to know. It will service anything (under a 3090) with headroom for the future
@@luketurner314 I think that's where the reviews also come into it. Gold PSUs will typically have better components but the reviews can show if they have QC/longevity issues
Gold and higher is an okay start, but just skip all the headache and go look at one of the PSU Tier Lists kicking around the web. With companies I won't name cheaping out on components and causing fires/explosions it's best to just get something you know has been rigorously tested and passed. Sometimes the brands you don't recognize make better stuff than the big names. Running a Superflower Leadex III Gold 750w now and it's been great. EVGA used to just rebadge Superflower PSUs so I was lucky and snagged a couple Cablemod E Series cables to dress it up when I added my graphics card
@@antimatt_r Yea well its usually the case that those brands are the ones actually manufacturing the ones for the company that you do know and can often get the same things for cheaper with a bit of google fu
The SATA vs. NVME test sounds fun. Another idea I haven't found any videos exploring would be something along the lines of what would be better, in raw performance and performance per dollar, a GPU that is set for water-cooling from the manufacturer (i.e. PowerColor 6900 XT Liquid Devil) vs. an air-cooled GPU that you install a waterblock on yourself.
Its also a good idea to make sure your OS drive isn't an SATA drive, even if its solid state. SATA only runs half duplex. If you're running on an SATA SSD and you install something, your whole computer falls to the mercy of the SSD. On the flip-side, SATA SSDs are pretty good for relatively fast storage now. Hard disk drives by that point only should only be strictly for giant storage.
As for the water cooling it’s dependent on the generation and design. My factory AIO cooled EVGA 1080ti FTW hybrid used only a 120mm liquid cooler and that thing never got hot even with high over clocks. Meanwhile my factory cooled EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra hybrid using a 240mm AIO gets extremely hot easily into the 80c range in cyberpunk to the point I turned off over clocks over the summer because it was getting to hot, this also has to do with half the vram chips being on the back side. I’ve just started tearing it apart to custom water cool it. I would say a high end water block would always have better contact and just the amount of fluid in an open loop has a lot more thermal mass, however you need to keep up on maintenance
There's no reason to go with sata anymore. Price difference at 1tb is maybe $10 if you go really cheap. In most cases sata is more expensive. At 2tb there's no price difference.
Love your videos, times have been rough and even though people arent building I'm sure we all love to watch your content from time to time. Never stop, please.
I've recently found that gen 3 NVMe are going for the same price of SATA SSDs with the same capacity. I just picked up two gen 3 NVMe from Sabrent with 2TB for $180 each. Crazy deal.
@@MrThejograt I’m tempted to believe he misspoke and was actually meaning HDD, because that’s the only part of this video that didn’t make sense to me.
Finally someone said it! When I plan out my builds I always include a 2TB HDD in my builds just for the shear $/GB value. I get a 500GB M.2 drive for the OS to run on and if budget allows, a cheaper 1TB SSD (Silicon Power, SanDisk, Crucial, etc.) to keep games and personal stuff separated. Games boot just fine and fast enough for my preference off of the HDD that I'll take the cost savings over booting off of an SSD any day. Either pocket that money or move budget around for nice case fans!
Yeah, I'm the same. I have that big backup drive (2TB HDD right now) with a 1TB hybrid SSD and a 500 gig 2.5" SSD. I only put Elden Ring on the SSD because From games have a reputation about loading times. And I'm glad he called out RGB on memory. You really can blow hundreds on the bells. But at the end of the day, it's a box that you should never be looking at for longer than a moment.
@@GuidingOlive well some games these days are very demanding in reading speed and some games are not even playable with hdd's like Tarkov. I think the trend will go on to better utilize ssd's it just makes sense. And the loading times with those drives are so much better I rather have less gigs but only seconds of loading times.
Honestly, I really wanted to get a 3070 for my build a year ago, but had to settle for a 3060 due to my local Micro Center actually having them in. I'm glad I didn't splurge the extra money now, and it works perfectly fine.
I would go for 3060 but I'm a little bit concerned about it's 1440p performance. I guess it's more than enough today to run all titles on decent settings, but I don't want to be bothered with low frame rates for couple of years and games are getting more and more demanding these days. If the system struggle to run CyberPunk or Elder Ring on full details right now it will have troubles even running new games 4-5 years from now.
I really want a 3060, but it's just not in the budget right now. Maybe by this summer it will be a little better. The 3050's current price is pretty disgusting for what it is, and because it's so lackluster it's driving up the prices of older rough equivalents. But getting something like a 1650 right now would just be so disappointing. I mean anything's better than my current system's 960, but damn.
@@TiaKatt Honestly all prices are pretty gross. If I were you, I'd wait until summer to see if you can get some price drops. Your 3060 is a great unit, so no need to rush and buy an overpriced unit. If you can wait 6-12 months maybe the 3070's will be back to realistic prices.
The difference in boot time cloning a SATA SSD to an NVMe was actually amazing to me. I would never go back, and the NVMe is cheap anyway. I have always bought below the bleeding edge on CPUs, and close to top of the line on graphics cards, although, lately, with the current cost of graphics cards, I will continue using my 1070 for some time to come.
You raise a good point, 4 cores 8 threads is plenty of processing power for playing 99% of games, but with one caveat, emulation. I upgraded from a 4C/4T to a slightly faster 6C/12T because I play lots of emulation and the difference is significant.
but now you are not talking about 4c8t anymore. There is still a big difference between 4c4t and 4c8t to the point that in many games 4c8t and 6c6t perform nearly identical, but 4c4t suffers extremely low 1% low.
I know “future proofing” is a bit taboo. But I feel like if you’d like to avoid upgrading your cpu, mobo, and ram (which adds up), a good way to maintain performance and get a lot long-term value might be to go with the highest affordable performance core count. Decent CPUs seems to stay decent for a long time, but once thread utilization starts going up there’s not much you can do. Or I’m just weird. Current consoles having proper 8c/16t makes me wary of going with 4c/8t when it doesn’t take much more budget to reach 6c/12t. i9s have never really been worth it though with how how little you gain vs the progress of technology.
@@LilBoyHexley People said the same thing since the release if the Xbox One - 9 years ago. For most games even a 4c4t CPU is good enough, only some of the AAA games have troubles with that and even there it is mostly down to the game being coded sloppily and not the CPU being too weak (some of those games refuse to launch with a 4c4t system, but when running you can even limit them to 3 threads and it still runs >30 FPS). If you do not plan on playing AAA titles then there is no reason to waste money on something you don't use.
Its good seeing someone make a video explaining why you can play 1080p without taking out a car loan. Running a 4th gen dual core on my kid's computer and it plays everything they want so far without an issue. It has a GTX770 4GB that was $30.00 and a non-overclock motherboard that came with the dual-core G series for $30.00. It works great and still waiting to upgrade the CPU but so far there's no need. Thank you for the video reminds me of the older GPU testing you did showing older cards are still good.
Greg Salazar has been running a series of "I paid Fiverr to design me a PC." He gives them limited budgets such as $1000 or $1500 in today's market, and it's been fun seeing people in the comments section trying to maximize a build at each of those price points. It really forces you to think in a specific way.
@@anthonylong5870 Same as, if you are patient and realise that at a budget latest and greatest in the CPU and PCB isn't worth considering because you will be GPU bound whatever then you can build for reasonable money and concentrate your cash at the GPU. For example my budget choice right now is to base around the B450 platform because you can buy the Tomahawk Max II PCB for under £60 inc VAT and have the full range of Ryzen as an option to plug into it so for £300($450) I can do the platform, a 6 or 8 core CPU, 16GB of DDR 4, and a case with a mesh front supplied loaded with fans, on a good day a 650W main brand PSU as well. This allows plenty of scope to buy storage and GPU capacity depending on usage requirements while still having a decent easy upgrade path later on if and when games require more CPU performance down the line.
@@anthonylong5870 you have to remember that by the time he's made those videos a few weeks time has passed, and PC part prices are extremely volatile. Heck, I've seen prices shift near the $100 mark in as little as a day for some components.
Glad to see a video giving sane advice regarding PC builds. Before the pandemic I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core) and a 1660 super, and I'm still happy with it in every regard. Granted I don't play the very latest games (I'm on Linux), but the majority of the open world games I have tried out are working just fine, with reasonable adjustments of the graphics settings.
You really made my day with this video. It's so nice to see you disseminating realistic practical advice for the average builder. Money is tight for many right now and kudos to you for realizing the reality and showing that it is still possible to build a solid system with a reasonable budget. Well done!
Hey Jay, I’m a aussie vet and because of your no BS reviews and ability to translate tech speak into common speak, it’s enabled me to help my fellow vets to get into building their own systems. So thanks mate. Really appreciate what you do. NOW 😂 You may have covered this topic but I haven’t seen it here. It’s regarding 3 and 4 pin PWM fans. Regardless of the sexy ARGB or RGB that so often comes with the fan. Recently I was asked what’s the difference between the 3 and 4 pin PWM fans. While I know, I thought it would be worth asking if you’d devote just a little segment to this and why there are also 3 way daisy chain connections for the fans and how they can be invaluable. We here are in quite a warm environment even with A/C so this topic is quite relevant in Australia. Not all aussie vets are Einstein’s lol😂
When building a PC you should be aware of what you want, that requires knowledge on how stuff works, and THIS channel is where you find that information! Thanks Jay :)
Great video. I would agree with everything said in this video except for the NVMe vs SATA drives. There are high quality NVMe drives that are nearly as cheap as STS SSDs. I think I paid $100 for my 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe. While it's definitely on the slow end of NVMe drives, it's still twice as fast as any SATA SSD. With that said, yeah if you've got the choice between a 2TB SATA SSD and a 1TB NVMe, definitely go for the higher capacity as long as it's from a decent/reputable brand. I'm currently running 1 x 2TB 980 Pro (boot drive), 1 x 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 1 x 2TB Sabrent Rocket (PCIe 3.0 version) along with a 1TB 870 EVO and a 2TB 870 QVO. I've also got the 1TB Crucial P1 running in a laptop. They've all been great drives and honestly wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the 7000 MB/s 980 Pro and the 560 MB/s 870 EVO in day-to-day use for the most part. There are definitely some games that have seen a pretty noticeable decrease in load times going from SATA to NVMe.
Daily prices seem to be really close, dollars per terabyte. Sometimes a solid, basic NVME like a Western Digital is cheaper. I keep a giant stack of SATA drives for one reason only; each has a separate OS and I can plug and play all those Linux distros in my test rig in a few seconds.
You mention a noticeable decrease in load times from SATA to NVMe in some games. Could you list a few of those and the rough difference in load times for each(minutes, seconds)?
@@jtenorj For loading games I wouldn't expect more than a few seconds for a SATA compared to an NVMe, which is why the difference is usually negligible, however it would be very noticable in tasks that require moving files between disks and such
Still using a Sata-SSD as my main-drive and a HDD for bulk. And gotta say in most games it does not make much of a difference. Tried a NVMe drive and load-times stayed near identical. The thing that i did notice is that you do NOT want a Sata-SSD as a windows-drive IF you plan on a lot of copying around. SATA-SSD simply bogg down even when the source is just an old HDD:
@@ABaumstumpf If you're copying things around where the source is an old HDD, that's the bottleneck, not the SSD. It won't matter if you have a SATA SSD or an NVMe SSD in that case.
true that Jay, I just started viewing your videos when I bought new gear to build a new machine. I hadn't been watching any. But while waiting in anticipation for my stuff to arrive I started reviewing what I'd bought. Several items were returned with better purchased to replace them. Once my build is up and running, I'll not be watching many related UA-cam Videos. So, the increased questions do indeed indicate increased spending on our high dollar toys!
Hey man, thanks a bunch for making videos like these. I've been watching for a while and I'm finally building my pc within the next week and all your stuff has been an awesome resource. It's awesome to see so much content online for people getting into pc building.
I built my PC in 2020 before everything went to hell and have a 3700x and a 2070 Super and still in 2022 everything still looks great. The only thing I upgraded was adding more storage and I did a transfer to a new case.
I have a 3700x and 2070 super combo. I play mostly single player by myself, and my cpu usage rarely hits 50% with hyperthreading on. But i dont ha e a second screen or other background stuff going on. Couldve gotten by woth a six core chip.
Great video, in our commercial flight simulators we lose gold PSUs. However these run years before failing. Due to the 6-7figure sims we have very clean power. I found quality brands to be more important compared to efficiency ratings
Great channel, easy to watch and always a good pace. You're a pro. Last rig I built was 10 years ago. Now replacing it and got some pointers and ideas from your channel. Peace.
One thing I was expecting from a massive system upgrade that was more of a nice improvement, but going from a 5820K to a 5900x and 2400mhz DDR4 to 3600mhz DDR4, most applications I saw maybe seconds to minutes of overall improvement (like high poly models and rendering, Zbrush, GIMP, Iray rendering still on a 1070ti for, err, reasons), however, I'm more stable for longer durations when pushing the upper tier limits and such whereas I definitely knew when my system was going to struggle at a certain threshold before I was asking too much and risking a non-responsive crash. Cloth sims, however, have one area I wasn't expecting a huge buff but got a big one. Now it's like the model prefers more polys than fewer and goes faster (to a point). Point being, if I were just gaming, I wouldn't have even seen much of a change at all with this level of generational equipment, strangely enough. Also air coolers have improved HUGELY. I was a liquid cooled guy for all of the last decade, now I'm getting the same or LOWER temps on just a Hyper 212 Black than I was with a well-built 240 rad; either that or the 5900x is way more efficient when pushed over that 5820K.
yeah the 5900X has a much lower TDP despite doubling up on cores/threads compared to the 5820K, so I'd say the efficiency is a massive upgrade. outside of an overclocked 5950X or 3950X, pretty much every Ryzen CPU can run on just a basic tower cooler. That's still crazy when you look at performance numbers that Zen 3 CPU's have been putting up.
I recently bought some SSDs for a system I'm building. I had decided beforehand that I wanted Samsung equipment. I needed 4 TB total - and ended up buying 2 x 2TB 980 Pro PCiE Gen 4 NVMe drives - there was almost no price difference between those and a single 4 TB SATA III drive! You may want to take another look at the NVMe/SATA comparison - something seems to have changed.
@ where the hell did you find a 4TB Sata SSD for 100 dollars??? I just che ked the prices over here, and the wd 4tb Sata SSD's are hovering around 400-450 euros
I love m.2 sata and m.2 NVMe for the clean build but, the problem is(especially for ITX builders like me) that we have extremely limited slots. Normally it's just 1 slot or if you pick right or increase your budget for ITX motherboards, you get 2. Sadly the less expensive ITX boards only carry 1 slot(In my case, the Gigabyte b450i)
Oh wow... thanks for the reminder... I now noticed that Jay didn't mention motherboards and what to look for in budget level builds in the above video.
@@SoficalAspects Yup, even full-sized ATX boards usually only have three or sometimes four M.2 slots, with most of them connected through the chipset and/or sharing lanes with expansion slots and other on-board devices. I have one X570 board where the third M.2 slot gets cut down to Gen3 x1 if you also use the x1 expansion slot. At least Intel 12th gen boards seem to be a bit better in this regard.
I'm not a gamer so I got a refurbished Lenovo P520 workstation with a base clock 3.7ghz boost to 4.5ghz six core Xeon W-2135 processor with 32gb four channel ECC DDR4 RAM and 900watt power supply for $188 from an Amazon vendor. Added a cheap Nvidia graphics card and a 1tb m.2 drive for a total cost around $250. I couldn't build anything near these specs for less than $500.
I kind of want both nvme and SSD. Pretty much like when SSD started replacing hard drive. You put the os on the faster drive, and mass storage go to the cheaper storage. Especially true for a lean Linux rig.
There's only so much you can decrease with the load times. From HDD to SATA SSD in modern games you're probably looking at a decrease from about a minute to about 25 seconds, look up the tests for more info about it since not every game is gonna be the same. With the NVME drive you're probably looking at 25sec to 20sec. I don't know how much faster they are with the OS booting but I don't expect the time difference to make up for the price difference just yet. Still gonna get an NVMe when I build a PC after all this ovepriced bs tho because they're cool lol
I have both, that's how I do it. However, I started to need more space for games(I was using a SATA 1tb 860 Evo), so I got a plain 1tb 980 nvme and put it in my second nvme slot, using it for games, with my OS on my 960 evo 256gb which is still going so strong I don't see a reason to upgrade the OS. Unless it's a case like that where you have an already free second nvme slot, it's not worth adding any in with add-on cards or such, the difference in speed is really not anything I can notice for games. The rest of game space I will add will be SATA SSDs for the foreseeable future, until we see DirectStorage start to be utilitised on PC, then I will move to nvmes, but I want to wait for that so I can get a PCI-e Gen 5 SSD for that so I have the fastest speeds to promise instant loading like with the consoles rn.
The only problem with NVME is that it makes your tower look silly. I have a single 2tb nvme, and now half my tower is completely empty. I have HDDs I could set up in a raid to fill the space, but then I'd have to listen to the dumb things. And I already have a NAS, so a local raid doesn't make sense..
@@fredygump5578 Well a lot of cases nowadays don't even have full size drive cages, so this would only be an issue for cases that have those full size HDD cages. For ITX builds nvme is perfect, and with most cases you could probably even add 2.5" drives if you need the extra storage.
NVMe for me is just about saving space, especially in small form factor being able to add one or two drives that don't take a whole 2.5" drive slot is really neat
NVMe drives has gotten so cheap. With my favorite local store, the cheapest 1 TB SSD they have is an NVMe drive from Kioxia at 82€. Seriously, 82 bucks for a 1 TB NVMe drive. It still baffles me just how cheap SSD's has gotten in recent years. It's "only" about 3x the speed of a good SATA drive, but with the convenience of M.2. I still remember the early days of SSD's when my brother bought one of first consumer SSD's that came to market. It was around 120 GB if not 100 GB and he paid like 335€ for it. Only, it wasn't nearly as good as the 120 GB SSD's you can get for 20€ now lmao
I spent 100 dollars each on two 32 gig 10,000 rpm hard drives, before ssd was a thing. Like you, I'm very happy with the current ssd options and their prices in comparison.
been waiting for those kioxia BG5 2230 ssds . nice upgrade for steam deck (but I think steam dek only uses pcie3.0 BG4 is enough too) series S too but I don't know if it works with xboxs too cause they use 2x pcie lanes . 2 gor internal and 2 for external
Awesome video for the home user. Very helpful this is definitely a UA-cam video style I never get sick of. That said sometimes it's nice to see the top end top end of the top end. Like a 1985 mustang vs the new corvette C8.
“Memory, ya’ll remember this stuff?” Dad joke level: 1000 haha, great video. Have yet to build a pc myself yet but feel like these videos help my understanding of what all I need when that time comes, hopefully later this year 🤞
Dad joke huh? I meticulously researched my build parts and ordered them. They arrived in 10 working days. I returned the case because they sent me the wrong color and got the correct case back (another 20 working days later, because the stock run out and had to ship from overseas) Now with everything delivered i began to assemble my new pc only to realize I had mistaken the nvme package for the Ram sticks package. I did not order any memory sticks >.
@@YiotisTheGnome ouch. I definitely see how Jay’s joke could be used to remember a part haha, I hope you were able to get the additional parts quicker than the others. I feel like when I finally do build one, I may forget something, same as you, despite the meticulously researching the parts. I feel like my wanted pc parts lists are complete, but not having yet built one, I’m sure I’ll forget something, but look forward to the process.
Just bought myself a V5 last week and finally replaced the stock cooler! Dropped my 9400f temps by almost 20 degrees (70 to 51 C under load) gained about 100 mhz boost clock (3.9 to 4.0 ghz), and it doesn’t sound like a demon is trying to escape from my pc! Actually an amazing product, can’t believe it’s so cheap.
I really like this video. Back when I had no idea about the computer hardware/software, a video like this would've helped me a crap ton. This is a very detailed video with a very good explanation of what is what, especially for someone that has no idea about anything, this will help a lot of people that are trying to educate themselves in computers. Thanks for making this video :)
Hey Jay how you doing? I'm just sitting here watching one of your videos and just wanted to say you got a great channel, you really know how to boil the information down to short simple Easy to watch useful videos, and you've got a great sense of humor. After having built about five computers and spending a decade as an engineer in Cooling and fluid flows, I can tell that the information you're giving out has really good accuracy to it also. Cheers and keep up the good work.
Current prices Sata SSDs are same price as nvmes for same capacity so its a no brainer to get the nvme.Only for compatibility if its an old system uograde which any sata will do for.
You just touched on the biggest reason I've all but left the PC space on UA-cam. Too many content creators focused on impractical PC builds and I got nothing for watching the video. I know it's a bit selfish, but time is valuable. I'm not interested it watching these flex builds while learning nothing at the same time.
I love how he touched on NVMe vs SATA when I just recently put together a new computer build for the first time in over 10 years and I went with not only a 2TB NVMe (instead of SATA, for data), but also a 1TB NVMe (for the system) and also a good ol 4TB enterprise hard drive for backup... but I'm also 49 and I may not upgrade again until I'm close to death. lol
18:40 I totally agree. I did a speed test on my 2TB SATA vs Nvme.2 by copy/pasting 35GB of game files (lots of smaller files,) as one would for a full backup. The speed difference was barely there.
From my experience, no need to overspec GPU because in the future you will also need new feature, not just performance. Example: video decoding (playback). Even GT1030 will outperform GTX980 playing back youtube VP9 because system with GTX980 must use it's CPU to do software decoding while GT1030 equipped with hardware decoder capable of decoding newer codec.
SSD vs NVMe prices are pretty close in a quick search on amazon. Maybe $10 difference. The extra speed is nice on the occasion it kicks in, which I do actually run into periodically. But mainly the zero cables are what sell me on it. One build is very clean with zero data cables. My all day ever day build is more messy but the normal sata ports are always full so that is just a few more drives I can get in before needing to expand to HBA.
Jay, I'm glad I found your videos. Super informative and direct which is great. I built my first PC before Christmas last year using help from my local Microcenter. Luckily the guy who helped me understood my budget and helped me put together what I think is a well balanced setup for mild gaming, office work, and CAD/3D modeling software. I look forward to building another PC using the knowledge I've learned on your channel. I've still got lots to learn on the electrical/software/tuning side.
This vid was 9 months ago, but I have 16gb corsair vengeance ddr4 3000mhz and I've been seeing games and programs getting my memory usage at 90-100%. One game that has been ram hungry has been Rust. I decided to put 32gb at minimum in my new system and ended up going for 64gb because I don't want to have to worry about it.
I like these kinds of videos. I feel like Jay and Paul are the "freshmen recruiters" when it comes to PC building. Steve is like the advanced 400 course professor. Linus is everything in between.
They are all just advertisers, notice that all their videos are very similar and all come along around similar time periods. These guys have no idea how to build cheap computers, they always overspec and thats because their bottom line is controlled by advertisers and they dont get paid if they dont show you enough shit to buy. I only come to these vids for the comments, it's where the true knowledge is really.
@@sammyakbhowmik6935 congratulations on the 1 video he’s recommended something that isn’t overpriced, it doesn’t compare to the 10s of others where there is a water cooler in the build
The thing I learnt from my first build was that RGB is shit. It just increases the cost, wiring and power draw of the system. Just get a RGB motherboard and you are good to go. Same speed and capacity of RAM in non-RGB variant and RGB variant cost very different.
Its not... It clan change your whole mood what can increase your focus etc... If you are type of guy that only want strong PC go full Black no rgb... But in fact there are still people who are buying pictures etc... So i think it depends on person to person... I know few guys that Will pick lower rgb specs instead better non rgb just due to looks 🤷♂️
@@ChopperGunnerNL Yes, but you save money and don't have rainbow puke pc. RGB lightbulb can work as normal lighbulb, and change color if you really want to. It also can be used for photos or videos as background.
@@Zdzisiek not everyone has rainbow puke. I have a synthwave build and my computer is wall mounted and is a showpiece. Speak FOR YOURSELF. Everyone has different use cases and FU for thinking ONLY yours matters.
5950x + 3080 ti Primarily used for 3d rendering and machine learning… I also do some gaming / streaming on the side. I do enjoy playing games at 1440p / 4K, maxed out settings… it makes me feel good about myself lmao This pc is my primary source of income and entertainment, so I think it being utterly overkill is somewhat justified.
I'm trying to commit to video editing so I got a 12700K and 3080 TI. albeit it still in 1080, I'm not trying to limit myself for the possibility of future projects with real cameras IRL and higher res gaming in my free time.
I got a GTX 3060 last week and it started overloading my OEM cooler. Picked up a Vetroo V5 for $30 off Amazon. Ran benchmarks over and over from modern AAA games. Haven't been able to exceed spikes of 163 f/72 c and it generally hangs out at 125 f/52 c in normal playing with no more warnings or crashes. Buying an extra exhaust fan too for the semetry. Nice to hear it recommended.
*Overall overspending issue: 80% youtubers found guilty* 100% agree with the ram overspending! Cooler overspending is not so easy. I hate noise, i live in a hot country with a really hot environment, add that to an itx build and the watercooling makes sense. Im running a dual loop with dual radiators and slim fans running at 800rpm and lower and my temps are in check
This is a great video. Very timely advice in this annoying economy. Also well paced and good foundations on your arguments. Must have been a very carefully written outline. Plus sell that current merch!
Ended up with a water cooler. I've been watching a lot of reviews from people living in temperate climate, and I'd never get the cool ambient temperature they'd have. Water cooler is probably overkill sure (in cold places) but my system is running cool and quieter now, without needing a huge aluminum block in the case.
Wait till the system will leak and the damage bill you will receive. never mix water with electronics. some people learn the hard way, you will too, in time. Water cooling solutions entering the PC enthusiast domain, was a very un-professional move, just to "sell" consumers and get their money.
@@AY-dw4om sure there’s always that risk but water is able to transfer heat much more effectively than air is. Besides, using AIO’s are much less risk than custom water tanks and such
You know what would be a really helpful addition to this video and future updates to this topic? A specific budget recommendation, maybe at a couple tiers. As in, here is an appropriate budget for a competent gaming build (not the absolute minimum), with some specific suggestions on the major components (PC, GPU, and RAM capacity). Add to that a solid gaming build (not top tier, bleeding edge), with the same suggestions. Beyond those, you are just spending money because you can, and you want to do some specific things on your build, all optional. Adding this would really round out this topic.
I'm pretty sure you gain more efficiency with the platinum and titanium PSU's, i dont think your wrong tho technically they will probably have a better circuit design w/ better components inside.
I'd love to see some builds based on the advice in videos like this. Actually seeing decent looking systems that can run games at reasonable quality/speeds while staying under budget.
True on the CPU aspect. I was hesitant about upgrading to an RTX 3070 with my Ryzen 5 3600 cpu because a lot of people said there was performance left on the table unless i upgraded it but with my use case (sim racing in VR) I'm still mostly GPU bottlenecked because of the high demand in VR
Funny story: I went to Micro Center looking for an SSD. I see they had, like 15 3050s in stock. I try to be an anti-impulsive buyer so I think about buying one overnight. The next day I go for a 3050 and I see a 3060 behind the counter. I ask the MC associate if that was real (not a box prop) and he tells me its for a PC client. But he did have a 3080 in stock. The GPU raffle ended hours ago so it was first-come first-serve. Now I can build a monster PC for a potential client (I build PCs in my spare time) but I'm still wondering if I went way over-budget.
I mean its all realtive but if your intention was to buy an SSD of I'm guessing the $100-$150 range and ended up with a GPU that was probably $1200-1500 ish then yea i think you went over budget lol
if you got it for near msrp, you did good honestly, considering the 1080 is still swinging, who could even guess how long the 3080 will still be swinging in the gpu line up
Blender uses CPU as main rendering device and offloads some of the calculations to GPU... So depending on how complex models you want to use I would go for CPU that has a lot of cores... Back in the day I rendered the same model with i7-3632QM in my laptop that is 4 cores 8 threads paired with GT740M and on i5-6600k paired with GTX1060 6GB that is just 4 core CPU but with much more powerful cores and the render times were almost similar. The i5-6600k was faster only 0.02 seconds. You can go with R7 CPU and 3060 or 3070 and it should handle most things you throw at it.
Great points, and every so often you get to see Jay's depth of knowledge when he talks about how different intensive applications interface with RAM differently, and when CPU bottlenecks occur. The problem with SATA SSDs and nVME drives is that in a lot of retailers they are almost the same price capacity for capacity in the 2TB and up range; weirdly enough SATA SSDs are usually within ~$20 USD of their nVME counterparts.
The SATA/NVMe pricing is due to NVME production costs dropping fairly steadily as the drives become more commonplace. - with sales I'm seeing 1TB SSDs range from $75 to $150 depending on the brand. Doubling the price for double the capacity is expected, but people seem to be expecting HD price scaling when going to 2TB, so that $199 wrinkles compared to what that much got you in spinning rust.
@@Revoku My Sky Lake and Kaby Lake systems still do great with higher end games even though they don't have the benefit of chipset advancements that newer generations enjoy. The older cpus that run 4.6ghz out of the box without boost are pretty nice for a lot of things now and into the future.
Over the course of the last 2/3 weeks I’ve fallen in love with this channel and I’ve gotta say, not only is the content straight forward & genuine, highly informative, but the way you showcase your sponsors is fantastic. It’s clean, to the point, informative, and brief. I’ve never once skipped through your sponsor promotion because I don’t feel the need to. But yea, this channel is amazing and I’m so glad I found you (especially right before going into my enthusiast build). The content is GOLD and I appreciate it so much, thank you!
depends on what you use your computer for. if we talking pure gaming, 5800x over 5600x are just total overkill and wont gain you anything extra besides 60% more power drain. if you allso do alot of photoshop, video editing, and more difficult multitasing on tougth programs, then 5800x would def be better choice. got 5600x myself about a year ago, and it was an amazing upgrade. last cpu i had was quite often annoying bottleneck. but the 5600x rarely goes above 50% load, tho that might have something to do with that i kinda need better gpu aswell:)
Reminds me of when I was going to buy a Ryzen 3 3100 for my dive into a Ryzen system and first new computer in about 6 years, but by the time I was going to buy one the price on Newegg and everywhere else had climbed to being like $5 away from the Ryzen 5 3600 (and has stayed at that price since lol) so it was a no-brainer. Now though I’m thinking of either a Ryzen 5 5600 non-X or the Ryzen 7 5700X when those launch to upgrade me.
@@synlion pure gaming means only gaming. barely any games are optimized for or can even use more then rougly 4 cores at most. only if you do more multitasking like game and stream it, or do heavier work like photoshop, movie editing and stuff like that would higher end cpus with more cores be usefull. im many cases they arent even just as good, but even gives worse performance if gaming are all you do, the more expencive cpus
Great video as always! While I understand the video is made for beginners, I do have some things to point out: - CPU/GPU depends: For 1080p60? Most modern systems will do. For 1080p240 for demanding competitive games? Then you gotta have at least 6 cores and a beefy GPU for sure - Agree with RAM for older DDR4 systems, but at least 3600CL16 for XMP on most modern chips. If the person wants to overclock, Samsung B-Die can be had for less than $100 - Agree that no one needs an NVMe SSD unless you are saturating far beyond the speeds of SATA, but nowadays you can get an NVMe or SATA SSD for the same price (both with cache). Even in Crucial's case, paying an extra $10 for no cables to manage and faster speeds when needed is a total win.
I would even argue that an NVMe drive is something one may want to consider getting just for the fact it's future proofing for upcoming games that will be taking advantage of DirectStorage.
That fast ram is not needed for gaming and everyday use. I do work and gaming on my pc and I dont notice that extra speed at all. 3200 is more than enough.
@@Xirpzy Have you tried using higher speed RAM with tighter timings though? For regular productivity I agree it makes no difference, but depending on the game it could be a big difference. In my case, going from 3200C16 to 3800C14 on my 5600X got me an extra 20-30fps in Warzone and Apex Legends, that's not a small difference! Even Jay has mentioned that RAM is very important while going for his TimeSpy scores
@@VNLEASHED hitting more than 60 fps (maybe in 120 fps spectrum) is enough for most gamers, any additional fps for additional parts for a higher price is a diminishing factor for their cost Like myself, i dont really need more than 120 fps for my games (luckily if the game is well optimized i could go beyond) and also im using my pc for heavy workload rendering and stuff
I must have missed this video earlier :) There's always that one guy... me ;) I've had a EVGA 750G2 PSU fail on me after 4 years of use. luckily the RMA employee at EVGA in Germany (I live in Denmark and EVGA don't or didn't have an office here) was willing to cover the UPS costs and replacement of the unit. It was a very fast and fluid experience, except for the service UPS delivers. From my first contact with EVGA to me recieving a new PSU was less than 10 days. The "boring part" The failure the PSU was experiencing was most likely in it's internal monitoring and or protection curcuits. It would power up and shut down after a couple of seconds. I hooked it up to an osciloscope and the voltages were all stable before the shutdown. None of the computers other copmponents were damaged. it's my old gamer and now secondary system and it's still running without issues. ASUS Maximus VI, i5 4670K, 16GB RAM, GTX970.
I have a Dell G5 It's hated by Steve at gamer's nexus, but he hates it coming from a hardcore gamer's mind, not from someone who lives in poverty & has multiple disabilities. It's doing fine, I got it on black Friday in 2020, got it for $750 off regular price. I have wanted to build a system on my own, but the cost was far more than my system cost.
the problem with the Dell G5 is that it's e-waste as soon as a part dies because they used non-standard parts. If it had standard parts it wouldn't be half bad
To be fair to Steve. He doesn't hate it from a hardcore gamer's perspective but he hates the price to performance of the Dell. You could build a better system for the same price or the same build for a lot cheaper price.
@@neroz06m.20 that depends on what country you live in, America sure, but some other places buying pre-builts is less expensive, especially in places like Africa. Australia is nice for used parts. But all of these things depend on which country you live in and how lucky you are. I am an American that has the luxury of building pcs at costs lower than prebuilts, but that also means more competition for parts. Either ways, look at it from perspectives where different options are priced differently. To some, it may cost a bit less than it would for others, to each is there own.
@@Fly_By_Gaming I'm from the Philippines. Prebuilts by big manufactures like Dell and HP are the biggest offenders. PC's built by small shops are better but still over priced even if you account for the build/labor fee
I really appreciate your reasonable, common-sense advice about stuff that's still told in an entertaining way. People can save so much money and aggravation by following your advice.
One of the biggest lies i have been told while building a computer was that graphic cards exist ;p Id rather believe in Unicorns coming out of Jayz's new cooling system than the GPU thing xD
If you are building from scratch and need a PSU as well, go to Antonline. They have EVGA GPU and PSU combos for decent prices. Yes they throw in other parts like a keyboard or mouse but the prices is still quite reasonable. 3060TI with a 750w PSU and mouse for 700 or jump up to a 3070TI 850w PSU and keyboard for $1050 (about what I paid for just my 3070 non TI white Strix unicorn)
@@aha6500 No idea, but even if they did.. at those crazy prices (3 times as much) its like they don't exist either way. I would not buy a hugely overpriced card... How much can you get a card for in Mexico? Im actually curious now lol :P
Go on Newegg, you can basically buy any card you want for fair market value. Stop bitching. The gpu shortage is basically over. Can’t bitch about the price, everything’s expensive because of global inflation.
@@Starfals Well, say, Nvidia Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 30 Series RTX 3060 ZT-A30600E-10M 12GB is $750; Nvidia Asus TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 30 Series RTX 3080 is $1700; Nvidia Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 30 Series RTX 3090 is whooa, $3700!!! Good thing I don't game- I'm a video editor, and to us the processor is much more important. And a lot of RAM. But I don't think these prices are ever going down, until some completely new technology makes them obsolete. Everybody is saying "when they come down in prices", but why should makers ever bring them down? People are obviously paying these prices, I mean, look, they can't even make enough of them. So why would they decline profit, when it's offered. But I also don't know what would make me spit out $3700 for that. My whole computer was some $2000, including the periferies.
All of these things are so true. Use your CPU stock cooler, choose a power supply that can power a mid-range 180W GPU and normal 90WCPU. Buy components off of things you do and not things you might one day do.
That's the biggest mis concept, especially on the newest pc builder. Grab the best you can afford, now. Ahem no, identify your needs and start from there.
Been building for 25+ years, everything from media PCs to enterprise class servers for large corporations. I meet with major vendors regularly. 100% of this is on point, and great to see someone condensing a lifetime of learning in a short video. This really does help new builders to find a way to enter the market without overspending. I've seen too many i9 + GTX 1030 systems that aren't well paired and perform so much worse than a balanced setup. Keep refreshing videos like this occasionally to helping the new builders. It really is an enjoyable process to build your own, and the accomplishment for some is what hooks them for life.
He needs to refresh this video right now because just 1 year later most of what it says is no longer valid. You can get a top of the line 2 tb pcie nvme drive now for like 120 bucks. Windows 11 wants 32gb minimum. Hell most modern games are now putting "made with dlss and fsr in mind" right on the tin, and the main feature of 4k series is all these things this video implies are fluff. Also good luck trying to cool a "I will hit 95 come hell or high water" am5 cpu on a 25 dollar air cooler.
Jay, hey man i'm a disabled vet and because of your videos i learned to build computers (a hobby i can still do every few years market permitting). i know it doesn't mean much but i just want to say thank you
Hey do you have a job? If not I totally understand btw because you have a disability but you should look for a volunteering job of computer recycling I saw one not long ago and it seems like a really fun thing tbh tearing down pcs and making them obviously you probably don't get to keep them but yeah seems good probably my plan at retirement tbh
Thank you for your service to the great USA, sir!
*Salute*
God bless you for your service.
Thank you for your service..... I am on SSDI so it is all about what I can afford and I am also not a gamer. I want to do videos but do not need a big system. I just want it organized on the inside and in the programs for performance. Putting one together is not to hard but computer language and understand what everything does is hard. Trying to remember all of it is even harder. It look me years to get around Win 7 now jumping into Win 10 then THEY ungraded my system to Win 11 so I might make a clean install back to Win 10. I liked it better.
Honestly I admire your spunk and drive keep up being awesome hopefully I can do stuff like this when I get old and am able to just be in my garage building pcs
Jay, have you ever made a video showing the performance of cards over the generations. Say like Performance of a 980 to 1080 to 2080 to 3080 to see the generation improvement and to see some awesome Phil bar graphs
There are a ton of website reviews that show this
At first I thought you were asking about a video detailing the performance of a card over the course of it's expected lifespan taking into account driver updates and optimizations. This would also be interesting. I feel like just like consoles, GPUs get better as they go... most of the time. Some updates have me rolling back like a Walmart sale but for better or worse there's probably some stories to tell in there
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It would obviously be mostly historical and "useless" info but an interesting topic maybe. I've always stuck with Nvidia because it's my understanding they are better than Radeon at keeping things up to date driver-wise. But I never really hear much about Radeon in general but I might be looking at something different after my experience with the entry level 20 series cards. Borderline false advertising to have RTX on the shroud of a 2060.
I'm rooting for Intel
I'd love to see a truly no nonsense build, only caring about performance per dollar.
Would be something like my (now older build) of an i5-8400, 16gigs of ddr4 2666 and a 1650Super gpu.
Should happen when the next months price drop happens. No one wants those 6600XTs lol
@@T-DsGaming Sounds about right, I went with a mainly value oriented build with a R5 2600, RX580 8GB, 2x8GB 3200 RAM, and a B450 Tomahawk. My only regret is the 550w PSU that will need swapped if I want a more powerful GPU. I use it mainly for older games like CSGO and GTAV, some light photo and video editing and running Kali in VMware. Meets all of my needs just fine
Then you might as well buy a used PC from 5-10 years ago for maybe $200-300, since performance per $ is now only going get worse with time, even without a silicon shortage. I still use a W7 PC built in 2012. Only has a 1080ti (replaced a Radeon 7970 4 years ago), 3770k (4 cores/8 threads), and 16GB DDR3-1600 but that is still more than adequate for most sane things (ie not protein folding, rendering AVN's, testing nukes, predicting the weather, training an AI, etc). Performance is overrated and just marketing bullshit if you don't actually need or use it (ie I'm a movie collector often Handbraking a bunch of raw bluray dump downloads to h265 and since I'm not falling behind on my job list after running that 24/7 I don't need a faster cpu, a 1080 ti is still good enough for just about all games if you don't care about 4k or raytracing, etc). No one needs a Porche 911 for just a daily commute to work (unless you also street race or something).
The most bang for buck is a used office pc with a 7th gen i7 and throw in a 3050 which takes most of its power of pci e Lane and a Sata to 6 pin.
I would love to see some more budget builds like the ones you hinted at. Makes perfect sense to cut all the unnecessary features out to save money.
As a programmer, I appreciate my 9900K. Compiling code is one of the few tasks that can be multithreaded really effectively. Multithreaded compiling can change my compile time on large projects from minutes to second, which real adds up over the course of a project.
While true that it does make a difference, what also makes a difference is structuring the project so that full rebuilds are rare. Doing this and setting the IDE to build on save I almost never notice waiting for building. Depends on language and platform of course. I used to work with the build system for a large company’s cell phone platform, which was tens of millions of lines of code in C and this was so heavy to build it took a cluster of 16 dedicated servers over 15 minutes to do a full rebuild and it was monolithic so no partial builds was possible.. but I digeess…
my 8600k and my friend's 9700k Have less FPS with a 3080 / 3070 respectively than a friend who has 9900k in some games like FF14.
I agree. Teaching myself Unreal Engine 5 and frequently waiting for shared project shader recompilations (which are handled by CPU threads) is what motivated most to build a new 12th gen i9 PC to replace my aging 4th gen i7 system. (These are mostly one-time events but still would take hours each time.) It wasn't gaming being slow - which actually was still pretty decent for me. If we're smart we'll buy components that best fit the tasks we're trying to accomplish.
I'm just breaking into building. Is a 9900k an Intel processor?
@@edwinafamefuna4383 Yes. It was the top of the line 9th gen consumer Intel processor. While it is still a good processor, I wouldn't build a new system with it. For budget builds or mid-level builds, I would go with a Ryzen current gen processor. For a high-end build, you really can't beat the i9 12900k, the current top of the line processor.
I started watching you a few months ago, along with a few other similar channels. Yall taught me enough to build my own with absolutely no experience. I did it and its so sick! Thank you for all the informative videos. I literally couldn't have done it without you. ❤
Your points on power supplies is spot on. Up until I built me latest modern build I was running a 10-year old 750W Corsair 80 Bronze PSU. And only because I needed more connectors.
i only got a new psu because my 1200w one was too large to fit the now smaller tower i was building in :D
I'd truly like to thank you for admitting that things you may have done on your channel were possibly "part of the problem" (even though I don't necessarily see it that way) and are heading back to the roots for the sake of your fans.
I don't think you guys should feel bad or like you've done anything wrong by building all those crazy machines and pushing everything to the max.
Anyone who has followed this channel for even a small amount of time should know how practical and no-bullshit the information you present is, and realize that wild builds like Skunkworks is NOT the standard consumer (maybe not even standard enthusiast) reality as far as price is concerned. but those videos are so great!
It really shows where your heart is by switching gears from your passion projects so that you can help keep others from being robbed blind by useless "bells and whistles" or entirely impractical things.
Thanks again, from myself and all your fans.
As someone from the Tropics region of the world. I was using an air cooler. But I was hitting almost 80 C on CPU during gameplay. Switched to an AIO and I'm going 69C max. I'm happy with it. It really didn't give me a performance boost, but definitely cured my Anxiety of the CPU going in flames. Cooler vs Anxiety is a good trade.
xD yeah its pretty good trade
fwiw modern cpu's are basically designed to hit 95c (amd) or 105c (intel). 80C is hot but very "fine". Lower is better, sure, but not really a big deal either.
@@JgHaverty What "modern" CPUs are we talking here?
@@alfi9981 probably since the 4790k started with thermal limit at 90c... 80c wont even throttle any cpus made inthe last 10 years. j
@@alfi9981 the 13900k for instance wont even *Start* throttling until 100c.
I'll attest to that Vetroo V5. I put one on my Ryzen 9 5900x and it kept the idle temps 33-38C. Load, non-overclocked, at 65C pulling 135 watts. Even overclocked at 85C pulling 190 watts. It did have 2 fans attached to it. It truly is a wonderous cheap cooler. I can't recommend that thing enough.
can it be used in LGA 1700 12 gen intel cpu?
What would you say your average ambient temperature is? Or are you like me where it varies vastly from summer to winter?
@@sujanmj23 u can buy the bracket kit from them
@@sujanmj23 I have the Vetrii V5, intel brackets should be included
@@sujanmj23 you have to buy the 1700 brackets for 7 or 8 dollars.
Thats what I did for the i5 12600k and it works amazingly with it, Idle temps 21C, max temp with Cinebench running 73C, @15C ambient temps
Wow... Just a big THANK YOU very much. I've been retired from IT for 10 years, and SOO Much has changed as i start to get back in to Building PC's.
After watching several of your videos, I've realized where I could improve. (Buying what you need etc. without going over board.)
Educational and helpful. Many Many thanks.
Hi Jay. I'm on my second build now and both times I called heavily on your back catalogue of extremely helpful videos and tutorials to get me through. Just wanted to say thanks.
I've been building PCs for 30 years and all I can say is: "yup." Good job.
Wow , 30 years man ! Did you finish building it yet ?
@@chakeer5176 doesn't seem like it
I used win2000 pro serv i liked how it had multi cpu support so used it in my first multi core build .. liked how you can assign cpus for processes .. i assigned games to core 2
@@darunealbane the good old days.
1997 was the beginning for me
@@davkdavk win95 was my start
i used win2000se till i was forced to upgrade for 64 support
Jay you should do some kind of a showdown where you build an ultimate system that is near top of the line and then build your best bang for the buck system and show just how much you lose when you compare the two and just how much money that extra performance costs you.
Better yet, do the same showdown but with the budget rig with settings turned down far enough to get the same frame rates as the top tier rig. Show a fidelity side by side for how much that ray tracing and 4k resolution costs you.
Really good down to earth advice! I have been running a R5 3500x, 16Gb 3200, RX5500XT 8Gb machine for over a year now. At 1080p this setup is more than adequate for my needs. I am lucky to have a trusted local computer specialist that offered me a good price for my build especially considering recent supply problems/scalping. £350 for B550M/3500x/16Gb 3200 bundle and £290 for the 8Gb Sapphire Pulse card. I decided on a fairly budget build so I could afford a decent case, AIO, nvme drive, 650watt supply as well as gaming peripherals, monitor etc. The plan is that when prices eventually hopefully get back to sanity I have a decent foundation for future upgrades. :-)
Another point Jay did not mention in favor of SATA SSD's is that generally their performance is very stable at max speed for large file transfers. NVME drives, especially budget ones, will get hot and throttle speed massively (slow down to HDD speeds) on big sustained file transfers (like multi GB's).
...and when controller on SSD dies, your data is lost forever.
then SSD should be advertised like "backup needed" @@SergeyVolkov
yep, thats actualy true. @@SergeyVolkov
Depends on the NVME.
Some have better thermal designs INTENDED to handle large file transfers.
Heat sinks can help a lot.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Or harm them even more, if these "heatsinks" are just piece of plastic or foil, present only for aesthetics.
I've been sticking to Ryzen 5 cpus, they get the job done and I'm still using an MSI GTX 1070ti with no issues. I don't really care for ray tracing so I've never seen a reason to blow the cash on anything higher or newer
Yeah a 1070 is pretty healthy at this point.
It might not put out the constant 144+ fps as when it was new, but somewhere along the way Nvidia enabled Freesync so we're good for a few more years I think.
i'm exactly in same boat, built a 1600nd 1070ti back in 2017, upgraded to 5600x in jan nd still everything is more than I need at 1080p 144hz
1070ti really aged well, glad I got it before all of this GPU apocalypse honestly
What in a game actually determines more or less CPU use?
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Actually, your big high-powered builds showed me where I could cut corners and get similar performance. I've enjoyed all your builds that I have watched. You said everything I just did with my new system on a budget. Thanks for all the help you have given to me so far and in the future.
Which video is that? Sorry, I'm new to the channel and to building
I'm still running on an amd phenom II and the bottleneck is the memory controller. The CPU is still good enough to run 3 virtual machines at once and have several tabs open in Firefox on each system. On my next PC in 5-10 years, I'm gonna use ddr4 or better to combat this issue.
Thanks for bringing some balance to the discussion. Even though you build huge, unnecessarily expensive computers, I have to say that's a lot of what makes the channel so much fun to watch. I *like* watching you put together something that I would never be able to afford myself. It's good for people to remember they don't actually need to spend that much.
I was using a thermaltake toughpower 850w power supply for 12 years of more or less nonstop use, probably closer to 50% of the rated capacity, and never had one issue. Before I replaced it, the voltages still looked pretty decent. I figured 12 years was long enough and it had a good life. I upgraded to a modular PSU that can support the current video cards with no problem.
Had my finances allowed at the time (before prices went stupid), my current 'new' system would likely have had a 2700X (remember when they were selling for $165), and a 1660 Super on a B450 Tomahawk motherboard. Even that would have been more computer than I'd have needed. Then things went nuts with cryptomining and shipping delays and suddenly that really decent sub $1000 system became a $1600 system if not more and that assuming one could even get the GPU at all. There was no way I was going to spend that amount on that level performance so I ended up with a system with a 5900X (was only like $70 more than a 5800X and I do use the extra cores for some things) and a 3070. Sure I had to order through an SI and wait 10 weeks, but I didn't pay scalper prices and have a system that is basically overkill for a lot of what I do, but it sure is nice when I load up something like Cities Skylines and don't bog down or have to worry about how many tabs and apps I have running. It should last me 10 years baring anything actually failing (I'm not joking).
Make sure to keep it clean 😍👍🏻
@@borgejoh Yep, blow the dust out every couple months and will be doing a deep clean in the next month or so.
whats an SI?
here in brazil things are crazy because everything is expensive even before the crypto crisis, our coin is worthless, and you need to work a whole year or more to pay a pc
@@notrycat2201 System Integrator. Basically a pre-built.
I've been out of the loop a bit for a few years, thinking the inflated prices make it pointless to build a pc.
I really appreciate these videos Jay, it's giving me some hope that I don't need to pay thousands of dollars for a new gaming pc.
It's not pointless, the new GPUs are made purely for 2k/4k monitors. For a 1080p 144hz u can choose a 3070 or heck even a 4060 ti and you'd be good. It sucks but that's how it is
i just got a 6650xt the other day, cheap, better then a 3060, maybe 10 frames less then a 4060 most of the time but about 40% less, got myself a 10400 cpu, 8 cores and more then good enough but at a really good price. what can i say? my wife bitches if i spend too much hahahaha
upgrading from a 1050ti to a rx 6650 is going to be huge for me! i am excited
@farmerpandasyoutube4800 lol typical wife thing. And they are okay spending $500 for a new set of nails
@@visitante-pc5zc dont even get me started man lmao. directly after moaning i spend too much for buying a graphics card for the first time in like seven years "hey can i get these boots?"
I'd totally love to see you make more videos about affordable and realistic builds.
Right I'm sure he has enough parts laying around to do a few videos about it.
Remember he is talking about strictly gaming. Most use their computers for other things other than just gaming.
Like the Grandma Build he did a little while ago... but I feel like it kinda gets away from the "Jay-nesssss" of the channel.
(I would appreciate some "cheapest watercooled system possible" videos though)
I've always been a budget/mid-level buyer with my PC builds, and once my pc was complete, over time I would upgrade parts here and there as I could afford to to keep it somewhat current. I kept an FX-6100 Zambezi in my system for many years until I upgraded to an A10-7870k, which I kept until Ryzen. When I upgraded from Ryzen 1600 to a 2700x, I changed my MOBO from a B350 to an X570, which I'm still using. GPUs have always been mid/high level and maybe a generation behind. Right now I'm very happy with my 5800X/6900XT build. Just swapped cases for the first time in 9 years, as the 6900XT was too big for my old case. The next upgrade will be a more modern PSU. My Corsair TX850M is about 9-10 years old. Still going strong, but a modern 850 will likely be more efficient.
I built my first PC in 10 years 6 months ago. I've been swapping out parts and doing some fun upgrades along the way. Everything I learned about what you need and what you don't need is exactly what Jay said in this video.
There are some things I actually disagree with Jay on for build. IE only getting what you need right now, had I done so I could have afforded one of the extremely overpriced GPU's last spring but I sincerely doubt I would have the butter smooth experience that I currently have even a year later. I had a $3000 budget last year and went with mid to high tier components across the board including room for a new GPU but after 3 to 4 months of sitting on $1000 left over for GPU I gave up and just bought a new, bigger, monitor and some nice peripherals n such to round out my system nicely.
For nvme drives, if you're OK with a gen 3, I've seen 1 terabyte nvme's for near the same price as SATA when on sale
Yea if speed of the drive is not going into the argument anyways, then gen 3 nvme drives are actually cheaper than SSDs at my local retailers and most online shops too. Even comparing within the same brand, nvme is often cheaper. Rn I can get 2tb kingston nvme gen 3 for 20% cheaper than 1.8tb SSD (also from kingston). And even gen 3 nvme is still vastly faster than any sata SSD.
Do make sure both are the same memory type for a proper comparison. I'd prefer a Sata with TLC memory compared to an NVMe Gen 3 with QLC memory.
@@CheapBastard1988 I wouldn't , 3.5GB/s burst is better than 500 sustained for most people anyday
@@llortaton2834 yeah but QLC sucks
if you are gaming gen 4 is a waste of money over gen 3.
I love the M.2 just for the convenience alone like you said. As a standard gamer, I can't tell the difference between sata and nvme.
also with games you aren't reading singular large files, but rather a shit ton of small files. One of the reasons the difference with gaming is so small. Now on the other hand, handling large video or cad files is another topic where the difference is felt.
Me too. When I upgraded my sata SSD to M.2, I didn't notice any difference when launching apps and games. The only difference I noticed is boot time. It's around 4 seconds faster now. lol
Coming into this video a month late, I found myself chuckling when in a video sponsored by Kioxia NVMe drives, Jay explains that "you don't really need an NVMe drive."
I got a m.2 SATA drive, 2TB for about 200 when I built my PC, and it was definitely speedy. I don't think I would've necessarily noticed a difference in SATA vs NVME, but I definitely appreciate the cleaner look in my case.
Not to be "that guy" but the "M.2" form factor only comes in NVMe / PCIe form while SATA SSD's are always 2.5" drives connected to the motherboard via SATA cable.
@@AtomicFallout757 Not to further be "that guy" but you're wrong. See the 860 Evo as a reference :)
@@jayjuarez9500 Samsung can call SSDs what they want in marketing ("SATA-based M.2" for example), but the interfaces at which they connect and their form factors stay true. They either connect via the PCIe interface (meaning they are in the M.2 form factor), or they connect via a SATA cable (meaning they are in the 2.5" form factor).
@@AtomicFallout757 Wrong, there are sata SSDs in the M.2 form factor I was a victim of that on my first m.2 drive and my board was PCIe only.
@@bassemzammeli1553 Never heard of or seen such a thing, but I don't claim to know everything.
One thing I've learned is to never cheap out on the psu. Get one that is gold or higher and has a good warranty with good reviews that shows it was built with good components.
Usually, but not guaranteed (gigabytes' bad batch). GamersNexus did a video going into detail about it. Also, let's not get correlation and causation mixed up. But I agree, don't cheap out on psu
Easy shopping list for a PSU: Name Brand, 700w and your good...Nothing else needed to know. It will service anything (under a 3090) with headroom for the future
@@luketurner314 I think that's where the reviews also come into it.
Gold PSUs will typically have better components but the reviews can show if they have QC/longevity issues
Gold and higher is an okay start, but just skip all the headache and go look at one of the PSU Tier Lists kicking around the web. With companies I won't name cheaping out on components and causing fires/explosions it's best to just get something you know has been rigorously tested and passed. Sometimes the brands you don't recognize make better stuff than the big names.
Running a Superflower Leadex III Gold 750w now and it's been great. EVGA used to just rebadge Superflower PSUs so I was lucky and snagged a couple Cablemod E Series cables to dress it up when I added my graphics card
@@antimatt_r Yea well its usually the case that those brands are the ones actually manufacturing the ones for the company that you do know and can often get the same things for cheaper with a bit of google fu
The SATA vs. NVME test sounds fun. Another idea I haven't found any videos exploring would be something along the lines of what would be better, in raw performance and performance per dollar, a GPU that is set for water-cooling from the manufacturer (i.e. PowerColor 6900 XT Liquid Devil) vs. an air-cooled GPU that you install a waterblock on yourself.
Its also a good idea to make sure your OS drive isn't an SATA drive, even if its solid state. SATA only runs half duplex. If you're running on an SATA SSD and you install something, your whole computer falls to the mercy of the SSD. On the flip-side, SATA SSDs are pretty good for relatively fast storage now. Hard disk drives by that point only should only be strictly for giant storage.
As for the water cooling it’s dependent on the generation and design. My factory AIO cooled EVGA 1080ti FTW hybrid used only a 120mm liquid cooler and that thing never got hot even with high over clocks. Meanwhile my factory cooled EVGA 3090 FTW3 ultra hybrid using a 240mm AIO gets extremely hot easily into the 80c range in cyberpunk to the point I turned off over clocks over the summer because it was getting to hot, this also has to do with half the vram chips being on the back side. I’ve just started tearing it apart to custom water cool it. I would say a high end water block would always have better contact and just the amount of fluid in an open loop has a lot more thermal mass, however you need to keep up on maintenance
There's no reason to go with sata anymore. Price difference at 1tb is maybe $10 if you go really cheap. In most cases sata is more expensive. At 2tb there's no price difference.
@@DimiS1978 No reason? Multiple Drives without the need for expansion cards? How many Motherboards have 4 or 6 NVMe slots?
@@DimiS1978 not everyone lives in the clouds, many of us still use local storage
Love your videos, times have been rough and even though people arent building I'm sure we all love to watch your content from time to time. Never stop, please.
I've recently found that gen 3 NVMe are going for the same price of SATA SSDs with the same capacity. I just picked up two gen 3 NVMe from Sabrent with 2TB for $180 each. Crazy deal.
I think he was more talking about SATA HDDs.
@@Dyonivan nope, Jay is talking about SATA SSDs
Thats been my experience with gen 3 nvme.
@@MrThejograt I’m tempted to believe he misspoke and was actually meaning HDD, because that’s the only part of this video that didn’t make sense to me.
@@Dyonivan sata hdd should never be used for a windows partition. They are just garbage slow and VERY noticeable.
Finally someone said it! When I plan out my builds I always include a 2TB HDD in my builds just for the shear $/GB value. I get a 500GB M.2 drive for the OS to run on and if budget allows, a cheaper 1TB SSD (Silicon Power, SanDisk, Crucial, etc.) to keep games and personal stuff separated. Games boot just fine and fast enough for my preference off of the HDD that I'll take the cost savings over booting off of an SSD any day. Either pocket that money or move budget around for nice case fans!
Yeah, I'm the same. I have that big backup drive (2TB HDD right now) with a 1TB hybrid SSD and a 500 gig 2.5" SSD. I only put Elden Ring on the SSD because From games have a reputation about loading times.
And I'm glad he called out RGB on memory. You really can blow hundreds on the bells. But at the end of the day, it's a box that you should never be looking at for longer than a moment.
@@GuidingOlive well some games these days are very demanding in reading speed and some games are not even playable with hdd's like Tarkov.
I think the trend will go on to better utilize ssd's it just makes sense.
And the loading times with those drives are so much better I rather have less gigs but only seconds of loading times.
Honestly, I really wanted to get a 3070 for my build a year ago, but had to settle for a 3060 due to my local Micro Center actually having them in. I'm glad I didn't splurge the extra money now, and it works perfectly fine.
I would go for 3060 but I'm a little bit concerned about it's 1440p performance. I guess it's more than enough today to run all titles on decent settings, but I don't want to be bothered with low frame rates for couple of years and games are getting more and more demanding these days. If the system struggle to run CyberPunk or Elder Ring on full details right now it will have troubles even running new games 4-5 years from now.
@@GiltleyRage You would want a 3070 for 1440. 3060's run 1080p great and 1440 fine. But 3070's actually seem to perform better on 1440 than 1080.
@@theunbearablebull Yeah, I figured 3070 would be a sweet spot for me.
I really want a 3060, but it's just not in the budget right now. Maybe by this summer it will be a little better. The 3050's current price is pretty disgusting for what it is, and because it's so lackluster it's driving up the prices of older rough equivalents. But getting something like a 1650 right now would just be so disappointing. I mean anything's better than my current system's 960, but damn.
@@TiaKatt Honestly all prices are pretty gross. If I were you, I'd wait until summer to see if you can get some price drops. Your 3060 is a great unit, so no need to rush and buy an overpriced unit. If you can wait 6-12 months maybe the 3070's will be back to realistic prices.
Thanks!
The difference in boot time cloning a SATA SSD to an NVMe was actually amazing to me. I would never go back, and the NVMe is cheap anyway.
I have always bought below the bleeding edge on CPUs, and close to top of the line on graphics cards, although, lately, with the current cost of graphics cards, I will continue using my 1070 for some time to come.
@El Cactuar Happy?
@El Cactuar I am glad I could help with your happiness levels.
always good to have a reality check on the marketing from components, been looking for upgrades recently and now maybe I'll wait for better hardware
You raise a good point, 4 cores 8 threads is plenty of processing power for playing 99% of games, but with one caveat, emulation. I upgraded from a 4C/4T to a slightly faster 6C/12T because I play lots of emulation and the difference is significant.
but now you are not talking about 4c8t anymore. There is still a big difference between 4c4t and 4c8t to the point that in many games 4c8t and 6c6t perform nearly identical, but 4c4t suffers extremely low 1% low.
I know “future proofing” is a bit taboo. But I feel like if you’d like to avoid upgrading your cpu, mobo, and ram (which adds up), a good way to maintain performance and get a lot long-term value might be to go with the highest affordable performance core count. Decent CPUs seems to stay decent for a long time, but once thread utilization starts going up there’s not much you can do.
Or I’m just weird. Current consoles having proper 8c/16t makes me wary of going with 4c/8t when it doesn’t take much more budget to reach 6c/12t.
i9s have never really been worth it though with how how little you gain vs the progress of technology.
@@LilBoyHexley People said the same thing since the release if the Xbox One - 9 years ago.
For most games even a 4c4t CPU is good enough, only some of the AAA games have troubles with that and even there it is mostly down to the game being coded sloppily and not the CPU being too weak (some of those games refuse to launch with a 4c4t system, but when running you can even limit them to 3 threads and it still runs >30 FPS).
If you do not plan on playing AAA titles then there is no reason to waste money on something you don't use.
Its good seeing someone make a video explaining why you can play 1080p without taking out a car loan. Running a 4th gen dual core on my kid's computer and it plays everything they want so far without an issue. It has a GTX770 4GB that was $30.00 and a non-overclock motherboard that came with the dual-core G series for $30.00. It works great and still waiting to upgrade the CPU but so far there's no need. Thank you for the video reminds me of the older GPU testing you did showing older cards are still good.
Greg Salazar has been running a series of "I paid Fiverr to design me a PC." He gives them limited budgets such as $1000 or $1500 in today's market, and it's been fun seeing people in the comments section trying to maximize a build at each of those price points. It really forces you to think in a specific way.
LOL I watch Greg and I actually beat the builds both times. Those fiver people are normally not very good
@@anthonylong5870
Same as, if you are patient and realise that at a budget latest and greatest in the CPU and PCB isn't worth considering because you will be GPU bound whatever then you can build for reasonable money and concentrate your cash at the GPU. For example my budget choice right now is to base around the B450 platform because you can buy the Tomahawk Max II PCB for under £60 inc VAT and have the full range of Ryzen as an option to plug into it so for £300($450) I can do the platform, a 6 or 8 core CPU, 16GB of DDR 4, and a case with a mesh front supplied loaded with fans, on a good day a 650W main brand PSU as well. This allows plenty of scope to buy storage and GPU capacity depending on usage requirements while still having a decent easy upgrade path later on if and when games require more CPU performance down the line.
@@anthonylong5870 you have to remember that by the time he's made those videos a few weeks time has passed, and PC part prices are extremely volatile. Heck, I've seen prices shift near the $100 mark in as little as a day for some components.
Glad to see a video giving sane advice regarding PC builds.
Before the pandemic I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core) and a 1660 super, and I'm still happy with it in every regard. Granted I don't play the very latest games (I'm on Linux), but the majority of the open world games I have tried out are working just fine, with reasonable adjustments of the graphics settings.
You really made my day with this video. It's so nice to see you disseminating realistic practical advice for the average builder. Money is tight for many right now and kudos to you for realizing the reality and showing that it is still possible to build a solid system with a reasonable budget. Well done!
Hey Jay, I’m a aussie vet and because of your no BS reviews and ability to translate tech speak into common speak, it’s enabled me to help my fellow vets to get into building their own systems. So thanks mate. Really appreciate what you do.
NOW 😂
You may have covered this topic but I haven’t seen it here. It’s regarding 3 and 4 pin PWM fans. Regardless of the sexy ARGB or RGB that so often comes with the fan.
Recently I was asked what’s the difference between the 3 and 4 pin PWM fans. While I know, I thought it would be worth asking if you’d devote just a little segment to this and why there are also 3 way daisy chain connections for the fans and how they can be invaluable.
We here are in quite a warm environment even with A/C so this topic is quite relevant in Australia. Not all aussie vets are Einstein’s lol😂
LTT did the drive test thing.
People chose the SATA drive as "feeling faster" in a lot of cases.
When building a PC you should be aware of what you want, that requires knowledge on how stuff works, and THIS channel is where you find that information! Thanks Jay :)
Great video. I would agree with everything said in this video except for the NVMe vs SATA drives. There are high quality NVMe drives that are nearly as cheap as STS SSDs. I think I paid $100 for my 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe. While it's definitely on the slow end of NVMe drives, it's still twice as fast as any SATA SSD. With that said, yeah if you've got the choice between a 2TB SATA SSD and a 1TB NVMe, definitely go for the higher capacity as long as it's from a decent/reputable brand. I'm currently running 1 x 2TB 980 Pro (boot drive), 1 x 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 1 x 2TB Sabrent Rocket (PCIe 3.0 version) along with a 1TB 870 EVO and a 2TB 870 QVO. I've also got the 1TB Crucial P1 running in a laptop. They've all been great drives and honestly wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the 7000 MB/s 980 Pro and the 560 MB/s 870 EVO in day-to-day use for the most part. There are definitely some games that have seen a pretty noticeable decrease in load times going from SATA to NVMe.
Daily prices seem to be really close, dollars per terabyte. Sometimes a solid, basic NVME like a Western Digital is cheaper. I keep a giant stack of SATA drives for one reason only; each has a separate OS and I can plug and play all those Linux distros in my test rig in a few seconds.
You mention a noticeable decrease in load times from SATA to NVMe in some games. Could you list a few of those and the rough difference in load times for each(minutes, seconds)?
@@jtenorj For loading games I wouldn't expect more than a few seconds for a SATA compared to an NVMe, which is why the difference is usually negligible, however it would be very noticable in tasks that require moving files between disks and such
Still using a Sata-SSD as my main-drive and a HDD for bulk. And gotta say in most games it does not make much of a difference. Tried a NVMe drive and load-times stayed near identical.
The thing that i did notice is that you do NOT want a Sata-SSD as a windows-drive IF you plan on a lot of copying around. SATA-SSD simply bogg down even when the source is just an old HDD:
@@ABaumstumpf If you're copying things around where the source is an old HDD, that's the bottleneck, not the SSD. It won't matter if you have a SATA SSD or an NVMe SSD in that case.
true that Jay, I just started viewing your videos when I bought new gear to build a new machine. I hadn't been watching any. But while waiting in anticipation for my stuff to arrive I started reviewing what I'd bought. Several items were returned with better purchased to replace them. Once my build is up and running, I'll not be watching many related UA-cam Videos. So, the increased questions do indeed indicate increased spending on our high dollar toys!
Hey man, thanks a bunch for making videos like these. I've been watching for a while and I'm finally building my pc within the next week and all your stuff has been an awesome resource. It's awesome to see so much content online for people getting into pc building.
I built my PC in 2020 before everything went to hell and have a 3700x and a 2070 Super and still in 2022 everything still looks great. The only thing I upgraded was adding more storage and I did a transfer to a new case.
That’s a very good PC.
I have a 3700x and 2070 super combo. I play mostly single player by myself, and my cpu usage rarely hits 50% with hyperthreading on. But i dont ha e a second screen or other background stuff going on. Couldve gotten by woth a six core chip.
Great video, in our commercial flight simulators we lose gold PSUs. However these run years before failing. Due to the 6-7figure sims we have very clean power. I found quality brands to be more important compared to efficiency ratings
Great channel, easy to watch and always a good pace. You're a pro. Last rig I built was 10 years ago. Now replacing it and got some pointers and ideas from your channel. Peace.
One thing I was expecting from a massive system upgrade that was more of a nice improvement, but going from a 5820K to a 5900x and 2400mhz DDR4 to 3600mhz DDR4, most applications I saw maybe seconds to minutes of overall improvement (like high poly models and rendering, Zbrush, GIMP, Iray rendering still on a 1070ti for, err, reasons), however, I'm more stable for longer durations when pushing the upper tier limits and such whereas I definitely knew when my system was going to struggle at a certain threshold before I was asking too much and risking a non-responsive crash.
Cloth sims, however, have one area I wasn't expecting a huge buff but got a big one. Now it's like the model prefers more polys than fewer and goes faster (to a point). Point being, if I were just gaming, I wouldn't have even seen much of a change at all with this level of generational equipment, strangely enough.
Also air coolers have improved HUGELY. I was a liquid cooled guy for all of the last decade, now I'm getting the same or LOWER temps on just a Hyper 212 Black than I was with a well-built 240 rad; either that or the 5900x is way more efficient when pushed over that 5820K.
yeah the 5900X has a much lower TDP despite doubling up on cores/threads compared to the 5820K, so I'd say the efficiency is a massive upgrade. outside of an overclocked 5950X or 3950X, pretty much every Ryzen CPU can run on just a basic tower cooler. That's still crazy when you look at performance numbers that Zen 3 CPU's have been putting up.
I recently bought some SSDs for a system I'm building. I had decided beforehand that I wanted Samsung equipment. I needed 4 TB total - and ended up buying 2 x 2TB 980 Pro PCiE Gen 4 NVMe drives - there was almost no price difference between those and a single 4 TB SATA III drive! You may want to take another look at the NVMe/SATA comparison - something seems to have changed.
I agree, but I tend to not mention it... It gets a surge of *scaplers* going and then you just end up with never being able to buy drives...
@ where the hell did you find a 4TB Sata SSD for 100 dollars??? I just che ked the prices over here, and the wd 4tb Sata SSD's are hovering around 400-450 euros
I love m.2 sata and m.2 NVMe for the clean build but, the problem is(especially for ITX builders like me) that we have extremely limited slots. Normally it's just 1 slot or if you pick right or increase your budget for ITX motherboards, you get 2. Sadly the less expensive ITX boards only carry 1 slot(In my case, the Gigabyte b450i)
Oh wow... thanks for the reminder... I now noticed that Jay didn't mention motherboards and what to look for in budget level builds in the above video.
I hsve 2 Akasa PCI-e NVME-converters on my Gigabyte UD. There are solutions, one of them is even quite low profile. But sure, room...
What about the Asus x16 pcie x4 m.2 NVMe slots for raid?
@TheTekknician @@ragalthor ITX boards only have one (at most) PCIe slots, so if the GPU is taking up a slot...
@@SoficalAspects Yup, even full-sized ATX boards usually only have three or sometimes four M.2 slots, with most of them connected through the chipset and/or sharing lanes with expansion slots and other on-board devices. I have one X570 board where the third M.2 slot gets cut down to Gen3 x1 if you also use the x1 expansion slot. At least Intel 12th gen boards seem to be a bit better in this regard.
I'm not a gamer so I got a refurbished Lenovo P520 workstation with a base clock 3.7ghz boost to 4.5ghz six core Xeon W-2135 processor with 32gb four channel ECC DDR4 RAM and 900watt power supply for $188 from an Amazon vendor. Added a cheap Nvidia graphics card and a 1tb m.2 drive for a total cost around $250. I couldn't build anything near these specs for less than $500.
I kind of want both nvme and SSD. Pretty much like when SSD started replacing hard drive. You put the os on the faster drive, and mass storage go to the cheaper storage. Especially true for a lean Linux rig.
There's only so much you can decrease with the load times. From HDD to SATA SSD in modern games you're probably looking at a decrease from about a minute to about 25 seconds, look up the tests for more info about it since not every game is gonna be the same. With the NVME drive you're probably looking at 25sec to 20sec. I don't know how much faster they are with the OS booting but I don't expect the time difference to make up for the price difference just yet. Still gonna get an NVMe when I build a PC after all this ovepriced bs tho because they're cool lol
I have both, that's how I do it. However, I started to need more space for games(I was using a SATA 1tb 860 Evo), so I got a plain 1tb 980 nvme and put it in my second nvme slot, using it for games, with my OS on my 960 evo 256gb which is still going so strong I don't see a reason to upgrade the OS.
Unless it's a case like that where you have an already free second nvme slot, it's not worth adding any in with add-on cards or such, the difference in speed is really not anything I can notice for games. The rest of game space I will add will be SATA SSDs for the foreseeable future, until we see DirectStorage start to be utilitised on PC, then I will move to nvmes, but I want to wait for that so I can get a PCI-e Gen 5 SSD for that so I have the fastest speeds to promise instant loading like with the consoles rn.
The only problem with NVME is that it makes your tower look silly. I have a single 2tb nvme, and now half my tower is completely empty. I have HDDs I could set up in a raid to fill the space, but then I'd have to listen to the dumb things. And I already have a NAS, so a local raid doesn't make sense..
@@fredygump5578 Well a lot of cases nowadays don't even have full size drive cages, so this would only be an issue for cases that have those full size HDD cages. For ITX builds nvme is perfect, and with most cases you could probably even add 2.5" drives if you need the extra storage.
NVMe for me is just about saving space, especially in small form factor being able to add one or two drives that don't take a whole 2.5" drive slot is really neat
NVMe drives has gotten so cheap. With my favorite local store, the cheapest 1 TB SSD they have is an NVMe drive from Kioxia at 82€. Seriously, 82 bucks for a 1 TB NVMe drive. It still baffles me just how cheap SSD's has gotten in recent years. It's "only" about 3x the speed of a good SATA drive, but with the convenience of M.2. I still remember the early days of SSD's when my brother bought one of first consumer SSD's that came to market. It was around 120 GB if not 100 GB and he paid like 335€ for it. Only, it wasn't nearly as good as the 120 GB SSD's you can get for 20€ now lmao
I spent 100 dollars each on two 32 gig 10,000 rpm hard drives, before ssd was a thing. Like you, I'm very happy with the current ssd options and their prices in comparison.
been waiting for those kioxia BG5 2230 ssds . nice upgrade for steam deck (but I think steam dek only uses pcie3.0 BG4 is enough too) series S too but I don't know if it works with xboxs too cause they use 2x pcie lanes . 2 gor internal and 2 for external
Very informative Jay. I’ve been building PCs for over twenty years and I still have learned a lot from your channel. Thanks
Awesome video for the home user. Very helpful this is definitely a UA-cam video style I never get sick of. That said sometimes it's nice to see the top end top end of the top end. Like a 1985 mustang vs the new corvette C8.
“Memory, ya’ll remember this stuff?” Dad joke level: 1000 haha, great video. Have yet to build a pc myself yet but feel like these videos help my understanding of what all I need when that time comes, hopefully later this year 🤞
As a person who started with jayz2cents, gamers nexus and linus tech tips between these 3 you have all the knowledge you will need
It really does help. I was the same way and when I finally managed to save up for a PC it was a breeze.
Dad joke huh?
I meticulously researched my build parts and ordered them. They arrived in 10 working days.
I returned the case because they sent me the wrong color and got the correct case back (another 20 working days later, because the stock run out and had to ship from overseas)
Now with everything delivered i began to assemble my new pc only to realize I had mistaken the nvme package for the Ram sticks package.
I did not order any memory sticks >.
@@YiotisTheGnome ouch. I definitely see how Jay’s joke could be used to remember a part haha, I hope you were able to get the additional parts quicker than the others. I feel like when I finally do build one, I may forget something, same as you, despite the meticulously researching the parts. I feel like my wanted pc parts lists are complete, but not having yet built one, I’m sure I’ll forget something, but look forward to the process.
Just bought myself a V5 last week and finally replaced the stock cooler! Dropped my 9400f temps by almost 20 degrees (70 to 51 C under load) gained about 100 mhz boost clock (3.9 to 4.0 ghz), and it doesn’t sound like a demon is trying to escape from my pc! Actually an amazing product, can’t believe it’s so cheap.
Wow 😂🤣
How long had that stock cooler been on there? Had its paste gone solid?
@@bipbop3121 about 15 months. Paste was still decently moist but very sticky.
I really like this video. Back when I had no idea about the computer hardware/software, a video like this would've helped me a crap ton. This is a very detailed video with a very good explanation of what is what, especially for someone that has no idea about anything, this will help a lot of people that are trying to educate themselves in computers. Thanks for making this video :)
Hey Jay how you doing? I'm just sitting here watching one of your videos and just wanted to say you got a great channel, you really know how to boil the information down to short simple Easy to watch useful videos, and you've got a great sense of humor. After having built about five computers and spending a decade as an engineer in Cooling and fluid flows, I can tell that the information you're giving out has really good accuracy to it also. Cheers and keep up the good work.
Current prices Sata SSDs are same price as nvmes for same capacity so its a no brainer to get the nvme.Only for compatibility if its an old system uograde which any sata will do for.
You just touched on the biggest reason I've all but left the PC space on UA-cam. Too many content creators focused on impractical PC builds and I got nothing for watching the video.
I know it's a bit selfish, but time is valuable. I'm not interested it watching these flex builds while learning nothing at the same time.
I love how he touched on NVMe vs SATA when I just recently put together a new computer build for the first time in over 10 years and I went with not only a 2TB NVMe (instead of SATA, for data), but also a 1TB NVMe (for the system) and also a good ol 4TB enterprise hard drive for backup... but I'm also 49 and I may not upgrade again until I'm close to death. lol
i hope you live a long and healthy life :))
Come on bro you easily got 40 more years you'll need a few upgrades :)
@@SelkonAngelo yep. I'm 65 and I just built a new pc with 5600x, 6600xt and two NVME ssds (2tb and 1tb).
@@mpholicx2 whoa this is exactly what i'm planning. how do you like it?
@@lepus6511 I'm in the process of an update, and thinking of going 100% NVMe, just to get rid or power and data wires to tidy stuff up.
18:40 I totally agree. I did a speed test on my 2TB SATA vs Nvme.2 by copy/pasting 35GB of game files (lots of smaller files,) as one would for a full backup. The speed difference was barely there.
From my experience, no need to overspec GPU because in the future you will also need new feature, not just performance. Example: video decoding (playback). Even GT1030 will outperform GTX980 playing back youtube VP9 because system with GTX980 must use it's CPU to do software decoding while GT1030 equipped with hardware decoder capable of decoding newer codec.
Actually, GT 1030 doesn't have hardware encoding (NVENC)
@@sokool3994 but my example is about hardware decoding (NVDEC), not encoding (NVENC).
@@suryabejibun Ah, I see. I forgot about that.
SSD vs NVMe prices are pretty close in a quick search on amazon. Maybe $10 difference. The extra speed is nice on the occasion it kicks in, which I do actually run into periodically. But mainly the zero cables are what sell me on it. One build is very clean with zero data cables. My all day ever day build is more messy but the normal sata ports are always full so that is just a few more drives I can get in before needing to expand to HBA.
Now eight months after the video was posed I am finding it cheaper to purchase NVME compared to an SSD now.
Jay, I'm glad I found your videos. Super informative and direct which is great. I built my first PC before Christmas last year using help from my local Microcenter. Luckily the guy who helped me understood my budget and helped me put together what I think is a well balanced setup for mild gaming, office work, and CAD/3D modeling software. I look forward to building another PC using the knowledge I've learned on your channel. I've still got lots to learn on the electrical/software/tuning side.
This vid was 9 months ago, but I have 16gb corsair vengeance ddr4 3000mhz and I've been seeing games and programs getting my memory usage at 90-100%. One game that has been ram hungry has been Rust. I decided to put 32gb at minimum in my new system and ended up going for 64gb because I don't want to have to worry about it.
I like these kinds of videos. I feel like Jay and Paul are the "freshmen recruiters" when it comes to PC building. Steve is like the advanced 400 course professor. Linus is everything in between.
They are all just advertisers, notice that all their videos are very similar and all come along around similar time periods. These guys have no idea how to build cheap computers, they always overspec and thats because their bottom line is controlled by advertisers and they dont get paid if they dont show you enough shit to buy. I only come to these vids for the comments, it's where the true knowledge is really.
@@MrHennoGarvie did you.. watch the video? Jay literally recommended sata ssds and a 24$ cooler. No way thats overpriced.
@@sammyakbhowmik6935 He clearly doesn’t. He flat out said he only comes here for the comments.
@@sammyakbhowmik6935 congratulations on the 1 video he’s recommended something that isn’t overpriced, it doesn’t compare to the 10s of others where there is a water cooler in the build
The thing I learnt from my first build was that RGB is shit. It just increases the cost, wiring and power draw of the system. Just get a RGB motherboard and you are good to go. Same speed and capacity of RAM in non-RGB variant and RGB variant cost very different.
Its not... It clan change your whole mood what can increase your focus etc... If you are type of guy that only want strong PC go full Black no rgb... But in fact there are still people who are buying pictures etc... So i think it depends on person to person... I know few guys that Will pick lower rgb specs instead better non rgb just due to looks 🤷♂️
@@squiss986 rgb is shit. Want to change mood? Install rgb lightbulb in the room and save money and hustle.
@@Zdzisiek Which is still RGB.
@@ChopperGunnerNL Yes, but you save money and don't have rainbow puke pc.
RGB lightbulb can work as normal lighbulb, and change color if you really want to.
It also can be used for photos or videos as background.
@@Zdzisiek not everyone has rainbow puke. I have a synthwave build and my computer is wall mounted and is a showpiece. Speak FOR YOURSELF. Everyone has different use cases and FU for thinking ONLY yours matters.
5950x + 3080 ti
Primarily used for 3d rendering and machine learning…
I also do some gaming / streaming on the side. I do enjoy playing games at 1440p / 4K, maxed out settings… it makes me feel good about myself lmao
This pc is my primary source of income and entertainment, so I think it being utterly overkill is somewhat justified.
If you're making money off of it, it's justified.
I'm trying to commit to video editing so I got a 12700K and 3080 TI. albeit it still in 1080, I'm not trying to limit myself for the possibility of future projects with real cameras IRL and higher res gaming in my free time.
cool flex, bro.
Got the same combo and love it.
He literally says something along the lines in the video that unless you are using the PC in a professional/creative way then overkill is not for you.
I got a GTX 3060 last week and it started overloading my OEM cooler. Picked up a Vetroo V5 for $30 off Amazon. Ran benchmarks over and over from modern AAA games. Haven't been able to exceed spikes of 163 f/72 c and it generally hangs out at 125 f/52 c in normal playing with no more warnings or crashes. Buying an extra exhaust fan too for the semetry. Nice to hear it recommended.
*Overall overspending issue: 80% youtubers found guilty* 100% agree with the ram overspending! Cooler overspending is not so easy. I hate noise, i live in a hot country with a really hot environment, add that to an itx build and the watercooling makes sense. Im running a dual loop with dual radiators and slim fans running at 800rpm and lower and my temps are in check
ITX build = overspending. There you go ;)
This is a great video. Very timely advice in this annoying economy.
Also well paced and good foundations on your arguments. Must have been a very carefully written outline. Plus sell that current merch!
Ended up with a water cooler.
I've been watching a lot of reviews from people living in temperate climate, and I'd never get the cool ambient temperature they'd have. Water cooler is probably overkill sure (in cold places) but my system is running cool and quieter now, without needing a huge aluminum block in the case.
Same here. My home office (where both the desktop and the gaming rig are) gets sauna-like at summer. I have AIO in both setups.
I feel you man. I live in Houston so it’s never really below 80° outside of February
Wait till the system will leak and the damage bill you will receive. never mix water with electronics. some people learn the hard way, you will too, in time.
Water cooling solutions entering the PC enthusiast domain, was a very un-professional move, just to "sell" consumers and get their money.
@@AY-dw4om sure there’s always that risk but water is able to transfer heat much more effectively than air is. Besides, using AIO’s are much less risk than custom water tanks and such
@@AY-dw4om That is totally BS.
You know what would be a really helpful addition to this video and future updates to this topic? A specific budget recommendation, maybe at a couple tiers. As in, here is an appropriate budget for a competent gaming build (not the absolute minimum), with some specific suggestions on the major components (PC, GPU, and RAM capacity). Add to that a solid gaming build (not top tier, bleeding edge), with the same suggestions. Beyond those, you are just spending money because you can, and you want to do some specific things on your build, all optional. Adding this would really round out this topic.
I'm pretty sure you gain more efficiency with the platinum and titanium PSU's, i dont think your wrong tho technically they will probably have a better circuit design w/ better components inside.
I'd love to see some builds based on the advice in videos like this. Actually seeing decent looking systems that can run games at reasonable quality/speeds while staying under budget.
I do a lot of work in Resolve and often Handbrake. Nothing like watching all 24 cores slamming against the 100% usage mark 🙂
And then you start freaking out or seeing your memory maxed....64GBs worth.
@@SuperSilvi1990 how did you know how much ram I have? 😂
@@TheOneTonHammer im doing the same 🤣
True on the CPU aspect. I was hesitant about upgrading to an RTX 3070 with my Ryzen 5 3600 cpu because a lot of people said there was performance left on the table unless i upgraded it but with my use case (sim racing in VR) I'm still mostly GPU bottlenecked because of the high demand in VR
Funny story: I went to Micro Center looking for an SSD. I see they had, like 15 3050s in stock. I try to be an anti-impulsive buyer so I think about buying one overnight. The next day I go for a 3050 and I see a 3060 behind the counter. I ask the MC associate if that was real (not a box prop) and he tells me its for a PC client. But he did have a 3080 in stock. The GPU raffle ended hours ago so it was first-come first-serve. Now I can build a monster PC for a potential client (I build PCs in my spare time) but I'm still wondering if I went way over-budget.
I mean its all realtive but if your intention was to buy an SSD of I'm guessing the $100-$150 range and ended up with a GPU that was probably $1200-1500 ish then yea i think you went over budget lol
if you got it for near msrp, you did good honestly, considering the 1080 is still swinging, who could even guess how long the 3080 will still be swinging in the gpu line up
@@connorjohnson4402 Lol the GPU was a lil over $1600. Buy they might still go for "the second best GPU in today's market."
As someone interested in going deep in blender I'd be interested in hearing your take on building a PC for that.
Blender uses CPU as main rendering device and offloads some of the calculations to GPU... So depending on how complex models you want to use I would go for CPU that has a lot of cores...
Back in the day I rendered the same model with i7-3632QM in my laptop that is 4 cores 8 threads paired with GT740M and on i5-6600k paired with GTX1060 6GB that is just 4 core CPU but with much more powerful cores and the render times were almost similar. The i5-6600k was faster only 0.02 seconds.
You can go with R7 CPU and 3060 or 3070 and it should handle most things you throw at it.
@@JerziTBoss blender actually has really good GPU rendering now, I've done really complex renders with zero increase in CPU fan speed
Great points, and every so often you get to see Jay's depth of knowledge when he talks about how different intensive applications interface with RAM differently, and when CPU bottlenecks occur.
The problem with SATA SSDs and nVME drives is that in a lot of retailers they are almost the same price capacity for capacity in the 2TB and up range; weirdly enough SATA SSDs are usually within ~$20 USD of their nVME counterparts.
Yeah I've noticed little to no price difference between SATA and a corresponding nvme drive of comparible capacity.
his points on cpu use are 5 years out of date and straight up wrong.
The SATA/NVMe pricing is due to NVME production costs dropping fairly steadily as the drives become more commonplace. - with sales I'm seeing 1TB SSDs range from $75 to $150 depending on the brand. Doubling the price for double the capacity is expected, but people seem to be expecting HD price scaling when going to 2TB, so that $199 wrinkles compared to what that much got you in spinning rust.
@@Revoku My Sky Lake and Kaby Lake systems still do great with higher end games even though they don't have the benefit of chipset advancements that newer generations enjoy. The older cpus that run 4.6ghz out of the box without boost are pretty nice for a lot of things now and into the future.
@@worstcat8489 try warzone or dayz or star citizen and tell me how far away from smooth 144hz you get, and how 100% cpu use pegged you be.
Over the course of the last 2/3 weeks I’ve fallen in love with this channel and I’ve gotta say, not only is the content straight forward & genuine, highly informative, but the way you showcase your sponsors is fantastic. It’s clean, to the point, informative, and brief. I’ve never once skipped through your sponsor promotion because I don’t feel the need to.
But yea, this channel is amazing and I’m so glad I found you (especially right before going into my enthusiast build). The content is GOLD and I appreciate it so much, thank you!
I would love to see you build this systems and see what FPS you could get in popular games
I was going to get the 5600X when I built my last PC... but they had an incredible sale on 5800X for 30 more dollars! The choice for me was logical
depends on what you use your computer for. if we talking pure gaming, 5800x over 5600x are just total overkill and wont gain you anything extra besides 60% more power drain. if you allso do alot of photoshop, video editing, and more difficult multitasing on tougth programs, then 5800x would def be better choice. got 5600x myself about a year ago, and it was an amazing upgrade. last cpu i had was quite often annoying bottleneck. but the 5600x rarely goes above 50% load, tho that might have something to do with that i kinda need better gpu aswell:)
Reminds me of when I was going to buy a Ryzen 3 3100 for my dive into a Ryzen system and first new computer in about 6 years, but by the time I was going to buy one the price on Newegg and everywhere else had climbed to being like $5 away from the Ryzen 5 3600 (and has stayed at that price since lol) so it was a no-brainer. Now though I’m thinking of either a Ryzen 5 5600 non-X or the Ryzen 7 5700X when those launch to upgrade me.
@@goldeneagle256 What do you mean by “just pure gaming”. Does that include playing competitively at 240fps?
@@synlion pure gaming means only gaming. barely any games are optimized for or can even use more then rougly 4 cores at most. only if you do more multitasking like game and stream it, or do heavier work like photoshop, movie editing and stuff like that would higher end cpus with more cores be usefull. im many cases they arent even just as good, but even gives worse performance if gaming are all you do, the more expencive cpus
@@goldeneagle256 What about playing games at high framerates and watching livestreams at the same time?
Great video as always! While I understand the video is made for beginners, I do have some things to point out:
- CPU/GPU depends: For 1080p60? Most modern systems will do. For 1080p240 for demanding competitive games? Then you gotta have at least 6 cores and a beefy GPU for sure
- Agree with RAM for older DDR4 systems, but at least 3600CL16 for XMP on most modern chips. If the person wants to overclock, Samsung B-Die can be had for less than $100
- Agree that no one needs an NVMe SSD unless you are saturating far beyond the speeds of SATA, but nowadays you can get an NVMe or SATA SSD for the same price (both with cache). Even in Crucial's case, paying an extra $10 for no cables to manage and faster speeds when needed is a total win.
I would even argue that an NVMe drive is something one may want to consider getting just for the fact it's future proofing for upcoming games that will be taking advantage of DirectStorage.
@@SilvyReacts Good point, didn't even take that into consideration!
That fast ram is not needed for gaming and everyday use. I do work and gaming on my pc and I dont notice that extra speed at all. 3200 is more than enough.
@@Xirpzy Have you tried using higher speed RAM with tighter timings though? For regular productivity I agree it makes no difference, but depending on the game it could be a big difference. In my case, going from 3200C16 to 3800C14 on my 5600X got me an extra 20-30fps in Warzone and Apex Legends, that's not a small difference! Even Jay has mentioned that RAM is very important while going for his TimeSpy scores
@@VNLEASHED hitting more than 60 fps (maybe in 120 fps spectrum) is enough for most gamers, any additional fps for additional parts for a higher price is a diminishing factor for their cost
Like myself, i dont really need more than 120 fps for my games (luckily if the game is well optimized i could go beyond) and also im using my pc for heavy workload rendering and stuff
I must have missed this video earlier :) There's always that one guy... me ;) I've had a EVGA 750G2 PSU fail on me after 4 years of use. luckily the RMA employee at EVGA in Germany (I live in Denmark and EVGA don't or didn't have an office here) was willing to cover the UPS costs and replacement of the unit. It was a very fast and fluid experience, except for the service UPS delivers. From my first contact with EVGA to me recieving a new PSU was less than 10 days.
The "boring part"
The failure the PSU was experiencing was most likely in it's internal monitoring and or protection curcuits. It would power up and shut down after a couple of seconds. I hooked it up to an osciloscope and the voltages were all stable before the shutdown. None of the computers other copmponents were damaged. it's my old gamer and now secondary system and it's still running without issues. ASUS Maximus VI, i5 4670K, 16GB RAM, GTX970.
I've never found RAM speed alone makes a dramatic difference in performance.
It did for me, but that was honestly back when I went from 1333mhz RAM to 2133mhz and then 3000mhz. After that not much
I have a Dell G5
It's hated by Steve at gamer's nexus, but he hates it coming from a hardcore gamer's mind, not from someone who lives in poverty & has multiple disabilities.
It's doing fine, I got it on black Friday in 2020, got it for $750 off regular price.
I have wanted to build a system on my own, but the cost was far more than my system cost.
specs?
the problem with the Dell G5 is that it's e-waste as soon as a part dies because they used non-standard parts. If it had standard parts it wouldn't be half bad
To be fair to Steve. He doesn't hate it from a hardcore gamer's perspective but he hates the price to performance of the Dell. You could build a better system for the same price or the same build for a lot cheaper price.
@@neroz06m.20 that depends on what country you live in, America sure, but some other places buying pre-builts is less expensive, especially in places like Africa.
Australia is nice for used parts.
But all of these things depend on which country you live in and how lucky you are.
I am an American that has the luxury of building pcs at costs lower than prebuilts, but that also means more competition for parts.
Either ways, look at it from perspectives where different options are priced differently.
To some, it may cost a bit less than it would for others, to each is there own.
@@Fly_By_Gaming I'm from the Philippines. Prebuilts by big manufactures like Dell and HP are the biggest offenders. PC's built by small shops are better but still over priced even if you account for the build/labor fee
Year later, how have your opinions changed?
I really appreciate your reasonable, common-sense advice about stuff that's still told in an entertaining way. People can save so much money and aggravation by following your advice.
We are watching. Not always when you upload, but we are watching. Thank you for talking about real life builds for the average guy.
One of the biggest lies i have been told while building a computer was that graphic cards exist ;p
Id rather believe in Unicorns coming out of Jayz's new cooling system than the GPU thing xD
If you are building from scratch and need a PSU as well, go to Antonline. They have EVGA GPU and PSU combos for decent prices. Yes they throw in other parts like a keyboard or mouse but the prices is still quite reasonable. 3060TI with a 750w PSU and mouse for 700 or jump up to a 3070TI 850w PSU and keyboard for $1050 (about what I paid for just my 3070 non TI white Strix unicorn)
I don't get it, why here in Mexico I can buy all these cards easily, and you guys in the US can't?
@@aha6500 No idea, but even if they did.. at those crazy prices (3 times as much) its like they don't exist either way. I would not buy a hugely overpriced card...
How much can you get a card for in Mexico? Im actually curious now lol :P
Go on Newegg, you can basically buy any card you want for fair market value. Stop bitching. The gpu shortage is basically over. Can’t bitch about the price, everything’s expensive because of global inflation.
@@Starfals Well, say, Nvidia Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 30 Series RTX 3060 ZT-A30600E-10M 12GB is $750; Nvidia Asus TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 30 Series RTX 3080 is $1700; Nvidia Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 30 Series RTX 3090 is whooa, $3700!!! Good thing I don't game- I'm a video editor, and to us the processor is much more important. And a lot of RAM. But I don't think these prices are ever going down, until some completely new technology makes them obsolete. Everybody is saying "when they come down in prices", but why should makers ever bring them down? People are obviously paying these prices, I mean, look, they can't even make enough of them. So why would they decline profit, when it's offered. But I also don't know what would make me spit out $3700 for that. My whole computer was some $2000, including the periferies.
All of these things are so true. Use your CPU stock cooler, choose a power supply that can power a mid-range 180W GPU and normal 90WCPU. Buy components off of things you do and not things you might one day do.
That's the biggest mis concept, especially on the newest pc builder. Grab the best you can afford, now. Ahem no, identify your needs and start from there.
Been building for 25+ years, everything from media PCs to enterprise class servers for large corporations. I meet with major vendors regularly. 100% of this is on point, and great to see someone condensing a lifetime of learning in a short video. This really does help new builders to find a way to enter the market without overspending. I've seen too many i9 + GTX 1030 systems that aren't well paired and perform so much worse than a balanced setup.
Keep refreshing videos like this occasionally to helping the new builders. It really is an enjoyable process to build your own, and the accomplishment for some is what hooks them for life.
He needs to refresh this video right now because just 1 year later most of what it says is no longer valid. You can get a top of the line 2 tb pcie nvme drive now for like 120 bucks. Windows 11 wants 32gb minimum. Hell most modern games are now putting "made with dlss and fsr in mind" right on the tin, and the main feature of 4k series is all these things this video implies are fluff. Also good luck trying to cool a "I will hit 95 come hell or high water" am5 cpu on a 25 dollar air cooler.