I tried to love the Springfield Hellion...
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- Despite some distinct upsides, the Hellion ends up being that crazy GF from highschool. Great in theory, you miss her. But every time you seriously try it out, it's kind of a disaster.
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Brock only has room for one pup in his life, and she ain't a bullpup!
NOVA!
@@BrassFactsdoggy
A hellpup? /s
He ain’t a she either, Hop would say he’s going to kick your ass if he heard you say that about him.
Hop?
You either die a low-sub guntuber, or live long enough start saying every trigger "is shitty"
In my defense, outside of the tp9, I think this is the only time i've bitched about a trigger.
@@BrassFactsit's a bullpup, it has to be mentioned or the guys that like them too much will say all sorts of wild stuff about it.
The Hellion’s trigger is shitty.
@@BrassFacts fair. It's not you, it's fatigue.
I got an AUG a few years ago because I always wanted one. It broke in nicely, the trigger specifically, but I actually shoot it too.
Everytime I take it to the range, I get the guntube watchers who've never handled one tell me "Oh nice dude!! I would have gotten one too, but I hear the trigger..."
*bang*
"Oh dude?! Did you upgrade this?"
Nope.
@@austinboston5643 bullpup triggers made me better in bed dude. Trust me bro
I bought my VHS 2 after a trip to Croatia and felt obligated to get it when I got home. I’ve become the Slav version of a Weeb
slavaboo
@@youronlinegirlfriend5508 sleeb?
Slavaboo
Sooo a slave?
Sleeve
The place that AR's have arrived at, nice ambi controls, great triggers, and gentle recoil, direct impingement or piston, monolithic uppers, or excellent piece meal assemblies, budget 1 MOA accuracy, reliaibility that we never dreamed would be attainable, innumerable options for suppressors, optics mounting configurations, etc.
I love the idea of a bullpup but its a real uphill battle.
The AR has had decades of development, almost not even fair to try and compare newer bullpup platforms to it. And hence, why even try to replace something that’s already so good? lol
one day im sure they'll get there... right?
@@jamesbingus7232not just decades of development but also the full might of the largest small arms market in the world behind it.
At the price point and time sink into R&D, we can only hope the WYLVRYRYNE meets the mark.
Though i it doesn’t come installed with the blklbl or suppressor ready handguards otb at nearly 3k sooo…we’ll see…
The Aug is the best bullpup and there's ways to make the trigger way better. They make an ar15 trigger pack for it actually.
They also make a bullpup chassis for the ar15 and the trigger is nice I hear.
This rifle makes me feel like I’m doing my part too! Remember, service guarantees citizenship.
😂
Helgast from Killzone vibes too
🫡👏
*desire to know more intensifies *
I'm doing my part!
The charging handle _does_ act as a forward assist. The little metal tab on the rear of the paddle assembly can be pushed down fix the handle to the bolt carrier.
I've tried that, it doesn't work. At least not on mine.
It might supposed to be. But the g36 has a similar style system and it also doesn't work worth a shit.
Gotta hold the button down and push the handle. Requires 3 hands but it does work. It kinda follows the same Eugene Stoner argument that assists are stupid but the army required it
Yeh Tim on MAC shows how to use it. Duno I get a very yeh throw I'll rounds threw it but I am not really gonna try and learn about the gun vibe. LIke the earlier video I think it was him am Hop messing with the gun and they say the cheek riser was broke or didn't work it doesn't have a cheek riser. It's just a cheek rest that slides back to give you access to the dust cover pin, and they couldn't be bothered to look into it when they thought something was broke on the gun before they put out the video.
EDIT: Correction, I am the big stupid. There is a low magnifier mount for 1-1.2" height optics from arisaka.
Damn, making the thumbnail reminds me how cool this gun looks from certain angles.
(Despite ACOG RMR being a garbage setup for the Hellion)
Yeah, that height-over-bore is taller than my mom on stilts.
It does look sweet man.
Crazy ex GF. 😂
I like how your scope faces the correct direction.
#USN Fails.
Seems worthy of note, I work a gun counter at a local grocery store, we've had three Hellions through so far since the end of 23. None of ours had a "third wall." The big mooosh, most definitely. But not that weird click and middle wall you describe. Maybe mfg defect?
It’s definitely a big lad with that ACOG on top
@@cutlerf2194 interesting, it might be a iteration thing? Because we had multiple people with experience with several of these.
I'm not going to fault your logic. I'll just keep running my Hellion and enjoying it. Its wild to see your malfunction happen. I've been pretty hateful toward mine including not cleaning it for over a year and it just ran everything without a fault. The trigger is not great but you end up adjusting to it. I'm hopeful that the aftermarket provides as they have for the Tavor since the Hellion is growing in popularity. Thanks for the reasonable take on the gun this was less "Its total garbage" and more "It doesn't really do anything better than what I already have."
"hey brassfacts posted! go get my mirror so he looks right handed"
Being left handed this is THE bullpup to own. The newest models have improved easy to reach selector switches. Problem solved. manticore arms sells a replacement buttstock reducing the LOP by 1”. Problem solved. Running a low mount red dot co-witnesses the flip up irons. Problem solved. The trigger isnt a Geissele SSA-E but it sure works for a working rifle. I love mine. Sold my AUG because $250 for a left handed bolt is silly and then a right handed person cant use it. I sold my X95 because sending it in to be converted to LH use is stupid and then it’s not usable for a right handed user. You have to go 1.93” or higher to get a usable cheekweld with the AUG and especially the X95, at least I did. I’m a VHSII fanboy and that’s my cross to bear. I still love my DD, SOL and Radian Rifles. The VHS scratches that “not an AR” itch and the Halo vibe is awesome.
I'd like to try out a hellion some day but i just wanna throw in. The Rdb is an excellent ambi gun. Ejects out the bottom, ambi controls out of the box and a trigger thats honestly quite good. I can pass it to my lefty friends and back without changing a thing. Mines got over 1k rounds and i have had basically no malfunctions and i usually get 1" groups or less at 75ish yards.
Is keltec good too? It's light
@@wx2999 i have an rdb, i love it. Its been a solid rifle, runs great for me with factory and handloads. Triggers on par with my ar which for a bulpulp is great. I get around 1.5 moa on 5+ round groups. I would buy one again
As a Hellion owner, it's what my heart wants. But my brain says, if SHTF, grab the AR15.
For the most part, I agree with everything you've said. But I want to mention that if you want to mount a flashlight, the Magpul M-LOK Cantilever Rail/Light Mount will clear the lip and mount flush. Magpul product numbers MAG588 and MAG587 (NOT the cantilever scout mount MAG935).
You work the 2nd SHiFT?
I keep holding out for that bullpup I can go all-in on, too, but I haven't found it yet either. Going to check out the WLVRN next year and see how much they learned from the NGSW and the MDRx; fingers crossed.
As a hellion aficionado myself, I want to butt in here and say the Magpul cantilever MAG587 does NOT clear the lip on the forend. I had to dremel mine out ever-so-slightly to make it flush to saitfy my flavor of autism. My other complaint is actually the heft. This thing is bulky and that makes it less appealing to shoot. And the trigger does kinda suck. It's not as bad as some striker-fired handguns IMHO, but still not as pleasant as a nice single stage AR trigger. I actually do like the length of pull, I'm a smaller fellow and I still run my AR stock at the longest setting so the hellion's shortest setting is perfect for me. The optics height is also kind of a non-issue for me. My cheek welding happens to work nicely with the offset height. I run an Eotech EXPS and have no issues. I have to readjust my head on my flat top Ar to get a good picture so I probably need a higher mount for the optic. I do hate that the lower 3rd Eotech is still too high to co-witness the backup irons through. That thoroughly annoyed me.
The lack of extra gas settings is helpful in a military application, where grunts cannot be trusted to not screw up the weapon.
makes sense actually.
The charging handle actually can function as a forward assist, and this is intended:
Behind the lever that flips to both sides, there's a little metal tab. Pull the charging handle back so that it engages with the bolt, then you can push that little metal tab down so that it engages with the bolt, now you can push the charging handle forward as you need. The pressure will keep that little tab engaged to the bolt, so as soon as you let go the tab will move up again and disengage the charging handle from the bolt.
I think this is my favorite video that you've made. Well done Brock!
Arisaka makes a low magnifier flip mount that works on the Hellion.
I think the end really ties it all together
Treat the trigger like a Glock trigger and it pays HUGE dividends. Slack press. From the bench, stock extended, its sub-moa. I have dozens of AR's and other weapons, the Hellion is the one I take Javelina hunting and just hiking innawoods. Tend to pick it even over my MR556A1, which before this was my favorite go-to. Appreciate the video.
Man, are we spoiled. I have never seen a better supply of arms in my lifetime. They all work great and will get the job done regardless of quirks. When I first bought an AR 15 (1984) I thought, this thing is garbage and not at all ergonomic compared to my nice Rem 700 BDL's and Lever guns. Well, that was a while ago and now own a plethora of arms. They're all good. I am grateful.
Just sold my 16in hellion 😢😢😢 To buy a 20in hellion 😈😈😈
m193 go brrrr
20" master race
This
the 20in is more clone correct to the military VHS2
The hellion was the first rifle I ever owned. I had nothing to really compare it other than what I shot at the range, so I adapted to it very well. No complaints.
I want one so bad I already have a x95 . But I want a hellion & then later on a aug
Honestly the ACOG RMR combo looks so clean on this rifle.
to bad the rmr has a 4ft height over bore.
@@BrassFacts I heard Unity is going to start offering invasive surgeries to extend the human spine by a few inches.
@@TheProteinPal hahaha
@@TheProteinPalFake news. It's actually GBRS😊
That description haha. Good review!
Thanks
" I tried to love the Hellion..but its a bull-pup" completed that for ya!
It may be a long length of pull, but at least you can adjust it longer.
You can use it in the suppressed setting without a suppressor for softer recoil.
The best trigger for a bullpup goes to the A3 tactical jakl/FTM/BRN-180 kit. But for overall ergo the hellion is really good at.
"Second cool"---the legacy of @nutnfancy is still strong
calling the trigger dogshit and then telling the sling to gtfo just kickstarted my weekend. Bless you and your comedy sir.
The peephole sights are really accurate too for new shooters. My Cali-friend hit everything he shot at with it.
The rifle gets a bad wrap online, because guntubers are all AR-Queens. "Muh LoP!" (Non issue) "Muh sponge trigger!" (Non issue)
My biggest complaint is the brass deflector is polymer and gets chewed up.
100% agreed.
The primary reason for getting a Hellion is that it's not an AR-15 rifle, especially if you already own an AR-15 rifle. It's an extremely well built accurate rifle that is fun to shoot. It's similar to owning an AK or a lever -action rifle if you want something different than an AR-15. Would love to see a Brass Facts production of alternate platforms that Hop actually likes!
right, but my issue is that it's not particularly a great bullpup either.
@@BrassFacts A good point, but I have yet to see a “great bullpup”. They all have their pros and cons, but I will defer that option to you since I have a limited experience with firearms.
Why own more than one gun 😅
Thats the point of most of Brass and Hop’s bullpup content. They’re expensive and worse in most regards compared to a decent AR15. But out of the bullpups, this seems to be one of the worst of the bunch for modernization despite being the youngest of the military bullpups.
It is still one of the most robust built bullpup on the market that is durable.
I had the exact opposite experience. The trigger was really easy to get used to. The length of pull is really comfortable for me. The weight distribution is perfect for me. The safety selector is perfect for me. Also, the iron sights are some of the best rifle irons I've ever seen.
Nice video, I love your reviews! I watched your Mdr video and then this one so I’m wondering which do you prefer and which would you pick if you could only have one?
Happy 200th video!
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Although I'm stuck with the Swarovski 1.5 X scope moulded into my gen. 1 AUG receiver AT LEAST EVERYTHING WORKS ALL THE TIME.
Run the light strong hand side, mounted on a Magpul cantilever scout mount. The Magpul mount will sit just high enough to not interfere with the lip at the front of the handguard.
Run the cable through the inside of the handguard. I used the Unity Modbutton lite, as it is slim enough to fit through the Mlok slots. Even better, i am using their new Link system version and the connector fit through the smaller vent slots. The 7in long cable worked well. I used one of the Magpul cable control clips to hold it in place. I am running an AFG and I was able to mount the clip where the AFG was covering, which prevented anything from sticking outside of the handguard.
When using the AFG with one finger hooking around the front of it, and using the Unity Mlok mount... The Modbutton sits right under my thumb when I extend it forward rather than have a C-clamp grip.
Great setup so far.
I had plenty of good ARs, and wanted something different. The trigger doesn't bother me in use. It's a "shut up and shoot" kind of affair. I love my nice two stage AR triggers, and can be a trigger snob, but I'm not going to complain too much on this one.
The safety was annoying so I got an aftermarket that fixes the issue. The factory safety has been changed, it is improved, and it is very good. Anything made in the past like 6 months should have the new safety.
It is a bullpup with some bullpup quirks, but that is fine with me. I like it enough that it is my secondary go to rifle behind my decked out BCM.
i dont agree with your opinions on this one, good vid though :)
fair enough
Care to elaborate?
@@jamesbingus7232 nah
3:30 "And I took that personally..." - Hop
4:45 I liked that purely for the ability to switch hands and hug corners better for concealment. Purely an urban use weapon due to this because the front weight of the ar helps bipod shooting (ie; the best kind of shooting).
Extended LOP is great for prone. Love mine. I have all but the MDR/x/wolverine.
I have all but the Aug and fs2000
I know its a long shot, but do you have any plans on testing or reviewing the A3 Tactical Triad bullpup kit? Its supposed to have a pretty good trigger system.
no, im a lefty.
@@BrassFacts Dammit, now I have to ask Hop
Yes? Oh, not me. Sorry.
Its a fine option for bullpups, especially considering the price. If I was in the croatian army and I was issued this? I would be pretty happy. Of course not a single bullpup match Moded AUG/A3 M2. Balance and ergonomics of AUG cannot be beaten
The AUG is a fantastic baseline. Simple, sleek, lightweight.
Love my Aug
We are truly bless!
"I tried to (make) love the Springfield Hellion..." - everyone's mind
I was used to sitting a terrible sks trigger and long ak trigger. So milspec ar15 trigger feel fantastic to me. The mushy bullpup triggers remind me of a polished up lightened sks trigger job
The selector was a bit awkward to work but it's doable. Overall, it has the cool factor. Bullpup owners may or may not even admit that they are cool for existing.
I like mine. Works fine for me. I love bullpups though.
The addition of lube to the carbon made a polishing paste and lapped the soft parts to match 😆
That piggyback holosun is stupid high on this gun
Id definitley put a 20-25 moa rail section on top to mount my scope to😂
I think your conclusion was very accurate. At the end of the day, it has to do something, anything, even subjectively, better than other rifles. Anesthetics are about the only thing and that is obviously very subjective. Based on its price point, it's priced too high for a purchase based solely on cool-factor for "most" people.
also you can buy an Arisaka Low Magnifier Mount for low mounted red dots, look it up it's pretty cool
You definitely should get the upgrade to the newer HELLION with the updated selector and the trigger too is sligthly better too.
I can tolerate the trigger more than the LOP. The trigger will never be good though since the trigger bar pushes against the trigger pack, the best way to have a decent bullpup trigger needs a pull-type interface.
Pro tip for VHS-2 owners who want a light. Use a Midwest Industries MLok Extended Light Mount. It goes up and over the hump on the handguard so no issues there and extends far enough forward to not interfere with charging handle use.
Arisaka makes (or used to make) a super low magnifier mount btw, specifically for guns that have a higher picatinny like ak rails.
I wonder if a pic mount light mount would make things less jank with the lighting situation
I hold out hope that one day, my ideal bullpup will come to be. I'm holding out hope that the WLVRN turns out to be solid, although I'm a bit disappointed that the Quattro magazine system couldn't be incorporated into it.
I prefer the X95 but my lefty son likes his Hellion for what it is. He shoots it pretty well but it hasn’t unseated his 10.3” BRN-180 as his main squeeze. For me the X95 is in the bedroom in case I need something more than my Scorpion or SP5.
not sure if its been mentioned, magpul cantilever light mounts will clear the front handguard
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If it wasn't for that inhuman length of pull, then it would be a great gun for someone wanting a Halo Battle Rifle if you put a dedicated 2× or 3× prism optic on it.
Some one please tell the gun industry to put chrome lined hammer forged barrels back on all military style rifles.
LOP is also somewhat mitigated by changing the grip to a more angled 20 degree AR15 grip.
That trigger was the classic in-gun-shop 'fuck no'. When you make a Glock trigger feel amazing by comparison your trigger is ass-tier.
The amount of people that take the gun off safe, try to shoot it, and then assume it's still on safe is probably a majority.
is it actually that bad
@@cookie5535 yes
@@cookie5535its that that bad. Its not a good trigger, but it is serviceable.
Everyone says the trigger is bad, but I didn't think it was bad.
So what distance do you sight optics that high over bore? And how good is it at greater distances
The algorithm requires engagement
Having used mine, and yeah you're frustrations with the Hellion I have myself. The trigger is the main thing I have issues with, the recoil feels different but whatever.
The length of pull is also an odd one to me, I keep it all the way in and just shoot it right-handed with right-hand eject. But I'm 6'1" so I would have expected to need more length of pull and I wish it had less. The one other thing is I wish the buttstock was something easy to replace with one that isn't as stiff. It's 5.56 so it's not a huge issue but it's just rock solid it feels like making shouldering it for a long time isn't the most fun experience in the world.
The optics height was def an issue, but I am used to running a friend's AK so it isn't an issue long term and I like the more heads-up stance it asks for. The NGAL (I already had one laying around) I have with my Vortex Strike Fire (because I wanted to mess around with a cheap 1-6x to figure out which type I prefer between FFP and SFP). As for a tape switch, that is actually the one I have and the one I use, it just works for the grip the gun asks for. I also noticed the issues with the handguard and had come to the same conclusion for where it had to be placed.
Overall I like it, and like you said if the cool factor is why (yep) it is nice, and I do want to get just a super basic AR-15, good parts, nothing fancy, something nice and brain dead reliable. 100% the Hellion was due to it makes me think of the Halo bullpups. It goes along well with my CZ-75 P-01, which is impractical due to price, weight, and the rarity of 15 round mag's for carry, which is why I'm getting a basic PSA Dagger Compact. And for a reliable do whatever rifle, a reasonable entry AR-15 that can take what I need it to have, a light, an red dot, and a sling.
But I am glad to see my teething troubles with the Hellion aren't an individual thing, nor are they as bad some make them out to be. Gun is fun, it's alright, haven't had any super weird failures like your trigger but I'm only 500 rounds into it after having it since the start of March. But I do like how compact it is, its balance is a little weird when empty, but easier to lug around than my G3. Same with finding ammo for it that doesn't make me want to cry.
Saved me money watching this. 👍🏾
Even tho there many bullpups in the market, I think the hellion looks very good and it just gives out G36 vibes, and an adjustable stock, which is rare on bullpups, suppressable, and gas adjustable, and very competitive in the bullpup market
to bad it adjusts in the wrong direction.
It looks great tho
Pls take a detailed look like this at the AUG i beg of you
Thank you for the straightforward honest no shill review.
yep. also wassap, haven't seen you comment in a bit.
@@BrassFacts Always here man. Love your videos.
Personal Review: Take the front end of a G36, weld it to the rear of a SCAR 20s, add 15% more recoil than a HK416, and make it a bullpup...for some reason. While the accuracy is pretty damn good, BF is not lying about the trigger pull (I wish he was). I tried tossing a magic in visible laser on to use for special see in the dark glasses, NO. Height over bore is a thing and Springfield really likes it. Oh, and trying to shoot a barricade is not a good time.
Good things: You get the velocity of a long gun in a package that sorta fits in the "truck gun" size category. It can shoot a 10 string that measures around 1" at 100y. The suppressed setting works better than most other rifles. Due to the spread of the weight, the gun kinda feels lighter than it is. It looks pretty sweet and you feel like a Helldivers recruit when you run around with it.
All in all, it's not a bad rifle but it is not a revolutionary new system. If you need velocity in a manageable package, this is a pretty damn good option. It also feels a lot like what a European would draw if you asked them what a scary automatic rifle 15 would look like, so that's a plus.
The length of pull adjustment is there specifically for moving to off-hand shooting in real-time... so no ejecto in the face-o... so sayeth the engineers @HS Produkt. Ir works well for me.
i literally spend 1min talking about that in the video :D
The best part of the Helion is the BCM grip so you can use reuse it on the mid-tier AR you were supposed to buy in the first place.
lmao
I actually dislike that grip. No back texture.
You know what we need now? Arma 3 CSAT camo to rock this. The Hellion is probably the closest we will get to the Katiba.
Problem I'm having with my main rifle and 1-6x P.A., i chose a 1.93" mount and actually (especially with a piggy back RDS) wish I would've chose a 1.57 to begin with.... wondering how much that height over bore will effect my 100y zero out to 5-600
I tried this one out at my local range and it just felt weird in every way i wasn't a fan but it was nice trying ot out to see
It takes awhile to feel natural with it. Definitely need to own the gun for and keep practicing with it for atleast a couple weeks.
So it does have a forward assist but much like the G36 it's hit or miss if it actually works. The metal tab behind the handle can be pushed down to use as a forward assist but it only kind of works. Also they updated the safety selector on the newer models coming in.
i had a whole section on that where I showed that it never actually works with real world FA type issues. I then deleted it because i realized it never actually works at all haha.
You might enjoy the optic rail more with a magnifier + red dot and use the Arisaka low mount for magnifier, it should work with a direct mount red dot. Maybe the PA ACSS 25mm?
Despite the hate it gets I still love my FS2000. It does everything I need it to do without sacrificing barrell length. I own several AR 15's one of which is a shortie, but I'm plenty comfortable with the FS2k manual of arms that I wouldn't hesitate using it in defense of myself or home. The forward ejection is a strength, at the sacrifice of slower reloads compared to the AR. I got mine long time ago. It's raised in price substantially. I can't complain :P From all the bullpups I've seen come out it's still the one for me.
My buddy has an FS2000 and I fell in love when I shot it. That thing is awesome. He brought out a bunch of nice guns including his real slick MK18 build and I spent the whole day shooting his FS2000 lol. I love the ergonomics, how soft it shoots, and especially the way it poops shells out the front. Wish I could afford one because they are such nice guns.
Arisaka Defense is one of the few companies offering magnifier mounts for rifles with greater deck height than an AR
Since you’ve been doing a decent amount of bullpups, are you going to do DT’s Wolverine?
when they make the micron
Arisaka makes a low height magnifier mount 😜
Thanks for this review. The cool factor almost got me with one of these, but the George carlin metric means I’d rather put the money elsewhere.
Have y’all ever tried a Reap Weaponries SCY bullpup conversion kit? Looks pretty interesting
as a lefty most bullpup kits dont work for me
Doing a review on the GoonBeam light any time soon?
I know a Famas, when I see a Famas, and this is a Famas.
I feel personally attacked by the dust cover comment
I honestly think in the case of a military service rifle nightvision compatability is actually a very valid point. Sure, not everyone is the us, but while nightvision is very much a stretchgoal for still probably close to 90% of serious civilian shooters, every military in the northern hemisphere issues nv to atleast some of its troops, so it should be a given that the modern standard service rifle in those countries is nv compatible. And i know, there are people who successfully set their vhs up for that, but with an lpvo at usable height, the only real option is the mawl and i feel like that is very limiting.
It's a different story for countries that still use aks, if your rifle is basically 80 years old it's okay when you have to take some compromises, as long as there are decently capable ways to set it up. But the vhs is a relatively new rifle, at the time they developed that, they should've been already planning, with night use in mind
what's the flashlight mount you're using on the Hellion?
Warm fistbumps from Denmark, Dude!
hell yeah
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The Master Chief defeated the covenant in 2598 with that rifle...
such a good doggo
The correct way to engage the bolt release is to use your index finger like a hook and pull rearward instead of canting/angling your hand upward to engage it with your thumb. I do recommend you get the Lunartech brand of Hellion upgraded bolt catch, magwell, and magazine release.
yeah, in theory. I prefer this because it's way more consistent when doing non beer can style reloads. Which I'll do more often as I rarely have a belt on.
The correct way is to get an AR and forget about this turd lmao
The last point you made about premium price and premium feature, I think you glossed the fact that this rifle has the premium feature/performance of 1) Ambi controls, 2) Ambi ejection, 3) built in BUIS, rugged reliability, bullpup config for 16"/18"/20" barrel performance and decent accuracy. The extending stock is overlooked by many as useless, but its benefits are for offhand shooting to keep brass away, bench shooting, and people with certain physiques.
those are not premium features, those are just features.
You just named something that basically every single bullpup can do, including the cheap ones 1000 dollar ones.
Bullpups HAVE TO be able to be swapped in ejection otherwise a noticeable percent of the consumer base can't even buy it
Hey thanks for the reply man! Now partly true, but as a left hander myself I understand where you are coming from. Granted I have used most bullpups on the market, but here is my additional comment regarding this.
Not all bullpups on the market has all of the exact features listed as what the Hellion can do, such as a true ambi charging handle/bolt/mag release, built flip up BUIS, and having a gun that can swap right to left ejection without the additional purchase of parts or sending the gun back to the manufacturer. Granted we know bullpup triggers aren't the best, but recent development by 3rd parties is showing promise in platforms like the AUG and a few upcoming for the Hellion (currently Bill Springfield can do a trigger job on the Hellion.)
The Tavor SAR and TAVOR X95 both cannot be converted to left hand use unless you buy the parts and send the gun back to IWI to do the barrel change or you risk breaking the barrel lock part and the Tavor SAR has no swappable charging handle. Similarly, the AUG cannot swap charging handles and the AUG Nato is right hand eject only (with no bolt release) while the AUG Standard can be swapped, but requires you to buy a left hand bolt to work (+the bolt release is only on the left side which is awkward for us left handers). The FS2000 too is only a left hand charging handle design like the AUG and isn't as ambi as you'd like it to be with other quirks such as stanag magazine use only and no bolt release. Other bullpups such as the K&M M17s is all right hand use with no option for left hand conversion, and this goes for the same for every AR15 based bullpup kit such as the new AKB23 (L85 kit by Aly&Kauffman), Senex Arms MBLR15, A3 TRIAD, SRU TACTICAL AR15/JAKL/BRN180 kit, SCY REAP, AK bullpup kits and PSA's Jakl kit is all geared towards right hand eject only. The only bullpups that can offer a built-in swappable/ambi ejection, built-in swap charging handle and ambi mag release narrows down to the Hellion, Keltec RFB 308, Keltec RDB (but needs 3rd party right side bolt release part) TAVOR 7, MDRX/WLVRN, and PS90. Granted we know the MDRX is flawed so I can only suggest the WLVRN from Desert Tech to be the only premium rifle priced solution for what you are looking for, but the Desert Tech WlVRN still opted to use a polymer handguard that is 2 peice from the reciever so putting laser devices on the handguard will have a POA shift due to the handnguard flex so it doesn't solve all the problems in that design. The Hellion is really a gun that was designed and released shortly after the X95, so it wasn't as geared toward the modern day shooter of having IR/laser devices mounted on the gun's handguard and the Croatian military is seeing mounting the laser on the top of the carry handle with the tape running to the side. There is 1 individual working on a bi-level handguard for the Hellion to resolve that issue. The Hellion is not perfect, but for 1.6k when I got my 16" and 20" Hellion, it has a lot of the features I think was worth it and offered decent performance out of the box in terms of accuracy and reliability for me. I do have to again say the 16" Hellion you have is built more stiffer in the trigger area than the newer 18" and 20" Hellion, and the newer 16" Hellions with the updated selector lever. If you do see a newer Hellion at your LGS, try compare the trigger because it does feel slightly lighter (but more pronounced clacky noise). The perfect bullpup is still not on the market yet at the price point most general consumers can stomach. The Desert Tech WLVRN released recently has most of the good features you like, but has some sacrifices made such as the elimination of the forward eject, but the gun comes at a higher cost tag making it a bit out of reach for most folks wanting a gun that is as capable as an affordable AR15. As for us left handers, we are still a small market in the gun world sadly, and I agree most guns should be ambi by design, but it shows that there is more right handed folks in the market. The Beretta ARX100 was a solid concept for being truly ambi eject and controls, but it was not a bullpup and had issues with its quick detach barrel feature to retain zero.
waiting for the review of "the scy" ar15 bullpup conversion.
I can't use those, im a lefty
Guy petting the dog looks like john Conor from terminator 2 😂
Apparently from what I’ve heard, the stock was designed to be freakishly long because of Croatian soldiers physiques being rather different. The VHS-1 variant(which has even poorer ergonomics than the VHS-2 albeit still reliable) has a more normal sized stock.
hop is 6 5 and found it awkward, and he wasn't even wearing armor
@BrassFacts the other benefit of the stock extending is its good to extend when shooting from a bench and helps for shouldering.
@@BrassFacts In that case, I'm not too sure why it's so long.
@@BrassFactsStrange. I found the LOP perfect for me.
Nice Gatorz, I want a pair because I'm a Jack Carr/James Reece fanboy
I'm getting 1 MOA with my Hellion, using a 2-12X LPVO. It has slightly more recoil than the AUG, but the Hellion is my favorite bullpup for a ton of reasons. It's probably THE bullpup I would get a duplicate of, for a secondary purpose. The MDRX, despite having a great trigger, has a miserable charging handle, that isn't enjoyable to operate
I could get behind that 1moa if the trigger wasn't complete ass