Ep 34 : Designing stuff in ONI is a case of breaking things a lot, Extra hard : Oxygen not included
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- I would like to point out again, this is a silly design challenge and has no real use outside of this specific scenario. It was however a fun challenge to wrap my head around, I think we got a solid design out of it in the end.
Credits song - Aaron Kenny - Happy Haunts
Links to the mini sour gas boiler design
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Save game file :
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Updated save game file 1 :
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“I’m going to build a nuclear reactor to power the sour gas boiler” francis please never change
Before the reactor it would be, I’m gonna smelt regolith to power the sour gas boiler. Man… the things we do in this game lol.
Exactly
I mean, using nuclear power to run it on the planet actually makes sense, since it would be a great way at generating the rads needed to consistently fire off the natural gas to the other planets.
He needs the reactor anyway, to power the interplanetary cannon
@@Beregorn88 you can just ship waste, or use solar radiation, only francis would use a reactor
Dammit FJ, we don't watch your channel religiously to see reasonable and sane decisions being made... we obviously want bigger, stupider, and more spectacle. You shouldn't even need to ask at this point. Make sure you've got a steady supply of whiskey and whatever other vices you require and reach for the stars! Sláinte!
Here here! I’m here for the stupider section!
hehe, you make a valid point there!
We want brute force simplicity scale up to infinity
Yes! Most stupidest section for me! Grander! Much much grander, please!
Idea: Create a second sour gas boiler to power your main sour gas boiler!
Now that’s ONI talk right there!
And a third one to power the second. Sour gas boilerception
Ok but what about a mini sour gas boiler to power the big one ???
Sour gas boilers all the way down!
Chase those Turtles!
@@NotASpyReally And then an ultra small one, the one he did in the baby base!
You can't spend an episode teasing this awesome monstrosity and not go through the pain of actually building it.
He did. From the look of it about 7-8 times. The poor soul probably spend about 4 hours just building for this episode.
"How much brain power, technical know-how, time and energy can I put into being dumb"
-Francis, probably
don't change, ever
I love the big over the top plan. For this playthrough I think it's perfect. I do always have a want in both Rimworld and ONI to see you flip your playstyle. Play the treehugging non-violence Rimworld run. Play a minimalistic Oni run. Maybe no metal refineries or no tearing the base apart. You do great stuff, and I love all of it.
He did a tiny base series for ONI. It was good but it was really short. I think going minimalistic would drive him crazy
@@bensiebert1997 minimalistic and compact aren't the same
@@bensiebert1997 he's already crazy though, lol
I vote go big, but my only problem with the last version is there was no room for the statue.
My thoughts exactly.
He can stand on the outside, rather than inside. :P
Yeah, if he could fit Aku inside then it would be a great design.
Go big or go home. (I really want to see this in a non sandbox environment!)
A few ideas:
1. tune ups for the steam turbines, it should make the process of making nat gas (slightly) power positive;
2. consider a symmetrical design, with half the sour gas goes around to the left of the central column, half to the right - you might need two Akus tho - having shorter steam chambers should make them more efficient - also, having 3 ATs on the left and 3 on the right might make the first ones (from the top) not too hot, hopefully.
Yeah, vertically symmetrical design woud make it a bit more efficient AND provide a hefty place for our dear Aku statue right in the middle!
Also: add heat transfer loops on the BOTTOM levels of turbines, inside the aquaturner room and EVERYWHERE ELSE WITH THE UNNESESARY HEAT GRADIENT and maybe RESTRAIN heat transfer on the top steam turbine room, to even out the heat drain throughout the levels, then there is going to be no need in bleed out system altogether.
you CANNOT tune a steam turbine!!
@@idjles Wrong.
I was like "yay Francis uploaded a video. Time to give my brain a break from studying." And you present me with that?
anyways... I vote Big
A new post-DLC option for rapidly deleting heat from sour gas or the petroleum boiler: boiling and condensing nuclear waste. The temperature range is just about right. No power generated this way, but you'd hardly be short on natural gas power on the oil planet.
Plus, Aku standing in a lovely fountain of sour gas and radioactive waste, what's not to like?
Those cute little neat shoebox boilers are so damn cool, I have to try that out
But the idea of spending so much effort to build one centralized fuel refinery to be able to just unfreeze that fuel elsewhere is damn great and right up FJ's alley
TL;DR: Big boiler is the way to go
PS: FJ, please whenever showing these designs from other people leave links to them in the description
about a year ago i made a design for a sour gas boiler that could process 50kg of crude oil in to natural gas. the design used a bunch of mini liquid pumps to pump liquid methane through the sour gas
aaaaand? *_AAANNNND!???_* Where it is? give us the save file or a screenshot already!
@@mrShift_0044 why? And sadly I can't anyway as I don't have that save any more due to changing computers and the game overriding saves but if you really want it I can remake it.
Was that the version where you only put 1 kg of oil through a pipe at a time to stop phase change? For 50kg that would have to be huge.
@@FrancisJohnYT yes 34 of them to be exact, to be fair it was on the old maps where you had a lot more space but it wasn't oil that was being brought through but liquid methane. The oil was being dripped down a large I think 30 tile high pyramid of air flow tiles and diamond temp shift plate to the bottom where 2 aqua tuners were heating it up, im 99% sure i got this from Tony Advanced's channel or from Gear Head Gaming. For it to work it had to be very very large and mostly tall so the heat exchange was near perfect and used everything using the liquid methane and sulfur, I got the idea from Tony Advanced's video on self powered(through steam turbines not using any of the methane) sour gas boilers the video is called "Self powered Natural Gas cooker " by Tony Advanced, the video its self is slightly out dated but there are forum posts and other lesser known videos on how to do it. Note: To make a truly self powered one now a days it has to be practically the entire maps height.
You knw the Mark 2 and 3 designs look an awful lot like a key, so if that doesn't have a name yet I suggest the Frank'n Key because it's just a monster.
Perfect name.
I like Frank'n Key or Monstrosa Key
Bleeding the heat out of the aquatuner room was explained in that tiny perfect shoebox boiler. Just put some conveyor bridges through the wall there so they transfer heat into the drip column.
As far as the initial power needs to get the boiler going on the oil planet. That planet does have a native natural gas vent. Which since the plan in general is to power things with natural gas, you won't even have to change away from the initial power setup if you just tap into it from the start. Also means you will be able to get your water/oxygen generation going in the process of setting up the power.
Good catch. I totally forgot that was even there.
We can also bring over a few tons of coal to help with startup, though I am liking the idea of installing a nuclear reactor to start though it's most likely inefficient.
@@FrancisJohnYT true enough, but there's a certain level of poetic symmetry in using natural gas to power a massive natural gas factory. Plus saves you the time of having to convert your power off coal and onto natural gas or something else later there later. Leaves more time for other projects, especially since making that massive boiler is probably going to take up a full episode at least to set up ;)
That said, a nuclear reactor would also take care of the rad requirements to fire the stuff off everywhere else. Yeah this is probably going to be a multi-episode project easily. Should be fun to watch
Thank you for showing my build in your channe l:) ( the one with a bunch of doors 5:30 ).
I say go big or go home when it comes to your sour gas boiler design.
"Stupid monstrosity" is definitely the way to go!
If there's an option you gotta go with big stupid every single time.
I vote for Big.
I want to see an awesome factory of solid methane with guns on top shooting all of it into space.
That design looks beautiful
That monster looks awesome! totally build that! As for any improvements.. maybe set up an overheat control with a door in the top and second row of steam turbines so they don't overheat? That would also probably help with getting more power out of the second and third rows, if the upper steam room doesn't go over 200C.
Second this! It'd both up the power output and lower the on time of the aquatuner cooling the steam turbines.
I just love these science episodes :D
for which version to choose: I'm all for "go big or go home"
I love it! All of it. Stuff like this is why your name pops up in so many Q&A discussions all across onidom.
Want to learn why something works and how to build it? There's an FJ for that.
Looking for an more optimised version of some thing you cobbled together? There's an FJ for that too.
Want to see something monstrously awesomely unnecessarily massively overkilling a purely situational demand that could be handled much more simply? Do you still need to ask if FJ has you covered?
Never ever change!
1) I'd get a mod to rename planetoids (which'll let you rename rockets too) and call the oil planet "The REFINERY" 2) I think I'll use the mini sour gas boiler on my world as I only got three oil wells on my starting planet. 3) The idea of a nuclear powered sour gas boiler is right up your alley, honestly too bad it doesn't get hot enough to use the reactor output to boil it directly. It is hot enough however to run a petro boiler.
That is a beautiful monstrosity.
Even though I'm not so good in this game, I d like to present to you my two cents to this "The Thing" design (DC comics).
1) I never ever used those solid loops to chill/heat the environment, but it looks really great. Like using the steel one to transfer heat, yeah it does not store much, but conducts it's heat fast enough and it's also relativly cheap
2)maybe there will be an option to use a solar panels too, yeah it's not much power, but it's still something to fill up that consumed power . of course i understand that you need that space to deliver methane to the planets, but you could build it with mesh tiles and under that delivery system - solar panels to maximise the power you could extract from a planet.
3) I think you also have enother problem. once your cargo arrive to a destination it will need to be heated, but that's also power requirments to you
4) WE WANT AKU THERE!
love that.can't wait to see in the survavial game.
I found this design walkthrough very interesting and rewarding. Thanks for the change of pace.
When I first saw this video I just about lost it, I thought he had built a whole petroleum boiler off camera. It wasn’t until I saw the completed sour gas boiler that I recognized it from his QOL 3 playthrough
Definitely the giant one. The solid methane's chill can be very useful in a colony, for example to preserve food, chilling the colony itself, etc. The byproduct sulfur can be used to feed grubfruits, the water to feed gristle berries and they can be combined to make mixed berry pie.... :)
Nuclear reactor for starting steam and power. Could take some of the steam itself or run the nuclear waste through a temporary heat exchange attachment to boil the water. I would try the attachment method since it can be torn apart after the boiler is up and running. The corner insulated tile where the dev power would be the best place for a heat exchange tile to get the starting steam in both rooms.
He could also use the nuclear reactor and waste's radiation to make the radbolts the interplanetary launchers need.
Fun to see a design video like this. I would definitely prefer the big design. The current version doesn't have room for Aku though, so you'd need to make it slightly wider. Not sure if that causes any changes to the whole thing.
You could always ship some of the the frozen methane to a small room nearby, heat it up somehow, and only ship in more if the pressure is below a certain amount. Then you have a room of backup power to keep this thing running.
No please I want to see this beast brought to life!! I've loved this crazy series exponentially more than all the older ones.
And don't you dare forget to plonk in the Shapeshifting Master of Darkness himself!
I would say ... why not BOTH? Build the giant one on the oil planet, for the FUN ... and mini ones on each planet. They'll need it anyway, for the water and stuff!
I am so ready. May this beast one day rival the steam rocket water harvester in abject stupidity!
Yes! Over-the-top can’t be over-the-top enough. Also, somehow you’ll have to deal with the frozen methane on the other end. That should be… interesting.
GIANT, GIANT, and GIANT..
The amount of time you had to put in on that testing is beyond countable.
Another bloody awesome vid FJ thank you.
Miniaturization can be it’s own “bigger, dummer, hammer” quest.
I love your videos and how you know the game so well. I wonder if in one of your tutorial videos you can show since basic tips and tricks of using sandbox and dev modes, I would love to see how some of that all works better.
I like the chungus design, can't wait to see it implemented.
Go all the way Sour gas monstrosity LETS GOO! Mini boiler cant even compete.
I think there’s an inefficiency in the Mark 4A (and maybe the 4B too, to a lesser extent) that could be addressed. The pipes in the lowest aquatuner loops spend some time in a vacuum, where they don’t contribute to cooling the sour gas. Maybe a heat transfer loop (gas pipes if you’re gonna go back to using the sulfur to optimize the cooling a bit, rails if not) running up and down the cooling area?
Love the design episodes. Really makes the game more approachable and its very enjoyable watching you iterate on your designs. I wouldn't have tried to understand a sour gas boiler but watching this makes it seem much less daunting. Similar to how I never thought I'd grasp SPOMs, watched you (and others) build them a bunch of times, and now I can easily build one that overflows power into my main grid that isn't just a copy of Ol' Roddy.
I do think you deserve a bit of a break lol. Between RimWorld and ONI, your series' are always on the edge. Maybe invert the scale and give yourself a different kind of challenge? How decadent could you make a base in ONI in 1000 cycles? Some sort of three- or four-dupe gimmick? One dupe per planetoid? Something that doesn't require you to build insanely big, but I have a feeling that that is a lost cause hah. Really loved the Baby Base series back in the day!
Right on time
Since we're going with the stupidest ideas possible, here's mine: Do it all! Build a nuclear reactor to power the giant sour gas boiler and then send frozen methane and crude oil over to other planets and use the methane to power the mini-boilers on each planet.
As always with this whiskey powered genius, I vote go big. But what could be nice is booting it with smaller ones…
"whiskey powered genius", very good.
Love the video. All this sour gas boiler stuff brings me back to all of my testing to get a pre space one up and running about a year ago. Some of your designs even remind me of what I ended up settling on. The idea of just sending back solid methane is great for your use. I can't wait to see what you implement.
I love the peek into your process for developing these insane machines. So fun seeing somebody with a deep familiarity in the game's quirks
I am in full support of this idea, more content!
Going through your development process in this was fantastic. It definitely made making big builds more accessibly seeing how you drafted through ideas and modifications.
Personally, my favorite series of yours was the Baby Base ... So I'd prefer the mini sour gas boiler. BUT you OBVIOUSLY prefer to do this huge monster of a machine hahaha So, go for it !! I'll enjoy the videos either way
i really like these sandbox episodes/segments where you tinker around with the mechanics and explain your thought process while trying to design technical builds. moar pls?
Wouldn't mind having every reservoir spit out sour gas immediatly and just cooling the entire map top to bottom.
How could the oil reservoir spit out sour gas?
@@HappyGingerWolf Have 1kg of water in at 530°C. Aquatuners with super coolant almost give free heat and you never need to worry about cooling the stuff the only real power drain is tepidizers in case too much chill is generated.
This episode has some Young Frankentein vibes. Ive never used the sour gas boiler before so this has been beyond educational to the funcationality of one. No regrets recommending this channel to new players. Keep the juices flowing man
If I can't power the entire solar system with just one machine, then I should just go home and write a memoir on my failure to lord Aku.
To quote Sheev Palpetine: "DEW IT!"
loved the idea of powering mega sourgas boiler with nuclear powerplant..gave me a huge laughter thinking the recycling in oni..this is why we visit the channel. loved it
Might as well use all that Sulfur to produce enough Grubfruit for every planetoid and send that too. That way the other planetoids do not need their own farmers and cooks. Also I'm a bit worried that you can't fit all those Interplanetary Launchers and you need relay-stations on other planets. But if anyone can do it, then it is you :).
You also need a rancher on every planet as well as some kind of critter egg handling system, because without sweetle tending you can't get grubfruit and without sweetles you can't get sucrose
I've never built one of these, but I think it would work better if you have more heat connections between the boiling chimney and aquatuner chimney. That would allow more even and complete heat transfer out of the aquatuner chimney and potentially faster starup as well. Right now all the heat from the aquatuners has to get through a single spot at the bottom.
I am so pleased that you decided to go for the big dumb and utterly excessive approach, and I loved seeing your design process for the sour gas boilers. Very excited to see the next few episodes of build.
francis you can use all sorts of mass for heat transfer like heavy watt wires, conveyor bridges, automation bridges radiant gas pipes, all of them works and its more mas for a more efficient heat transfer, you can use that trick to cranck up the heat transfer in the dropper and for the turbines, what about a single big steam room instead of 3 separate ones that way you can delete more temperature and the turbines all work with the same amount of heat
I like this idea, kind of how the steam turbines are arranged in the nuclear power plant.
@@JohnSmith-eu2dt yeah like make a tall heat exchanger down the right side and a single steam room for the turbines
Build the stupid monstrosity! I'd like to pressure into using the sulfur to provide additional chill specially making it zigzag through the metal tiles, also, conveyor bridges vertically on the heat exchanger will make it more efficient.
The bigger the better and more fun.
this is fantastically over the top
Though I would like to see the mini sour gas boilers in action, I want to see your grand idea come to fruition. Keep doing what you’re doing! Cover that star system with frozen methane shipments
Woo! the compendium of amazing designs is awesome. I've had a lot of fun with ONI using that little guidebook. Building those things in a real game is a special kind of challenge. As you note, the design is tricky but the boot sequences are often trickier.
That said, bigger and stupider is the order of the day.
If you could find some way to paint the whole thing red....
I was waiting for this video for so long
It's cool to see your engineering process. Plus it makes it easier to steal your designs :3
One of the reasons I love your content is that you build stupid things that don't really make much sense. For that reason go big!
Love your videos. I'm always having a blast when you explain your process and your contraptions.
With the latest version of the game, there are now dev gax and liquid generator so you no longer have to build an infinite storage of supper couland, it's included in sandbox mode. Juste wanted to let you know so you can save you the trouble.
FJ, I had a couple of thoughts on increased efficiencies, so I grabbed your save file and tinkered a bit... If you put your temperature insertion doors and the left side turbines a bit higher, With the doors at the middle of the aquatuners, it will spread your temperature differential better, which doesn't increase efficiency, but should mitigate your concerns about the top aquatuner temperatures. On the other hand, I tried increasing the right side steam chambers to 3 tiles high, putting tempshift plates across the middle row of each level, and them extending tempshifts in the sour gas room upwards 3 rows each for the bottom 2 and 2 rows for the top, and was able to squeeze a few more degrees of sour gas precooling from them. I also dropped the whole thing lower, with the bottom turbines' steam room sitting above the horizontal section of the sour gas room. I'm seeing the sour gas passing by at 125 to 127 degrees consistently. It's only a tiny efficiency gain, but the thing is already pretty close to energy neutral... I'm going to see if I can hunt up any more gains for you.
A much more sane option would be to just send petroleum to the other planets, which can be burned for power + water. But we are well past sane options here aren't we!
Go big!! I love watching what's possible in this game.
I started playing after watching mostly all of your back catalog. I'm on game number 2 and am still scared of space. Thanks to you though, copper and gold volcanoes do my bidding (only after a few minor scaldings, of course). :)
If you don't get an odd scalding you are not doing it right 😁
that produces so much cold, that you could use the methane to cool all your bases. it would also pre heat the methane to get it ready for burning.
Love this behind the scenes look.
Build the stupid monstrosity is my vote.
Would love to see the interplanetary delivery system for the solid methane
As much as the big contraption is neat, I am more intrigued by the tiny modular design that allows you to simply pass oil to the other planets.
While all the other ONI players are playing ONI, Francis is playing Stellaris and setting up a Generator world for his cluster.
I mean, that monstrosity looks preeeeetty sweet.
Love your amazing designs, I'm going to try that build!
I recently learned of this interesting game mechanic: if you put in HOT water at the vaporization point of Petroleum, say 540` C, the Oil Refinery will spit out Sour Gas. 😂 This might save you a step in your build process. It also is 100% efficient!
Don't you have to do 1kg packets of water then which would slow down the production to 10%?
@@boefsk there is that, yes!
Unless the game has changed, there was a design that used 60 something gas valves and vents to convert 10 K/s of sour gas with zero sulfur. Would be a net 50% increase in natural gas without increasing the boiler portion
That thing was huge, I don't think the oil planet has enough free space for that. The main planet/Base game planet version is about the only place you can build something like that.
The sillier and more overcomplicated the idea, the better! Id love to see your starmap, as you launch swarms of natural gas packages all over the place!
Awesome. Then you can double the methane use as a chill source for the living spaces.
I'd skip the nuclear reactor, it would mean shipping fuel, and you want to export energy, not import energy.
You also might scale the amount of temp shift plates upwards as you move on in the design, so the first one has one layer, the second has two, the third has three, and so on. Tthe hottest SG has the least exposure, and the cooldest pre-cooled SG has the most. This would mean you have to expand the SG tunnel to be wider, but that would let you go back to having room for Aku.
Definitely go for the stupidly big design!
wow good luck! i'm eager to see how this goes!
Sounds like an awesome plan! That machine looks so cool~ - you should totally build it just because :D
Go big or go home! (Or in this case, jump into the Temporal Tear).
As Col. Hannibal Smith would say: "Overkill is underrated"
The vertical shape reminds me of the towers in RL oil refineries
I'm probably the only one here that wants to go with the cute little tiny design. I generally like the idea of extensibility and adding small pieces on every planet seems kinda fascinating to me. It is one of the reasons why I like Linux. And no i do not like Emacs. I'm a guy of "The one thing and do it really well" .Anyways, just wanted to shere my opinion.
oh god i think i am addicted to your oni videos
I always enjoy big, stupidly impractical designs like this.
Nice, love seeing a gas elevator. Though you do need a mesh tile under each vent in order for it to form a bead that exchanges heat. I still think you should've used supercoolant to get away with counterflows as short as 6 tiles ;). Though you wouldn't be able to export it as a solid in that case
Bigger is better.
Do it!
Better be aku in the middle of that monstrosity too
You're a mad scientist!
Either the large sour gas boiler or a nuclear powered version of the sour gas boiler.
Also it would be cool if you or us came up with a name for it like the H.E.A.T. in your Rim World play through.
You can pick up the sulfur by making the conveyor loader pick up methane in two thirds of a cycle and sulfur in a third
No need, 1 conveyor rail can handle 20kg/s of material, which is more than this boiler can produce
The issue is once the loader start picking up one type of material it keeps picking up the same type of material as it's constantly raining sulphur and methane. The only way I could get it to work was two loaders and sweepers. Also had to have one of the sweepers only in range of one of the loaders.
Yes yes and yes, this is exactly why i watch it all. Francis, Aku (hope that it is his name) needs a place too.
For a real world boot up, wouldn't generating steam in a separate steam boiler to be pumped into the aqua tuner room save potential headaches? So you get pre heated steam environment for the aqua tuners to exist in.
Some quick math and you are constrained by the cooling down of SG to solid methane. Anything that will reduce the SG temp will allow more throughput (or a higher safety margin). One thought is cool the SG after the turbine section by running the crude through (125ishC -> 100ishC... 7% or so impovement). Sulfur is terrible but a long external counter flow with incoming crude could drop this even further.
How is that a question? Of course we want the stupidly humongous build. XD
I love watching the process here, go big or go home!
Mini sour gas boiler to jump start the mega sour gas boiler??
Mini boilers sound like a lot of fun!