I typically do not drop my past life too often anymore (it certainly is lost on most younger people anyway) - but for the sake of expressing the platform I stand on when I make this statement, I shall. I was at onetime a editor and contributor in the games industry, specifically for Ziff Davis Media (EGM, EGM2, PSM, GameNow), Future Media and 1UP. I also spent sometime contributing to Eurogamer and USgamer. This was BEFORE we thought of ourselves as "journalists" (well, before Eurogamer) and we took our jobs as employees columnists, editors and essentially entertainment. There was also a ton of WORK involved that would have been closer to copy-editing - but essentially we knew we were trusted and it was our duty it try to entertain and inform your purchases. So that out of the way. What exists on UA-cam is BY IN LARGE... NOT journalism or any form of constructive analysis. That does indeed exists thanks to a few people on the platform, but for the most part what has replaced genuine previews and reviews... what has derailed most valid and good faith discussion around videogames and pop culture... Is a very vocal and active industry that start started as a grass roots counter culture movement some years back - a response to political and social changes that many people did not like. Changes that, as with all social change, began to bleed into pop culture and even videogames media. This movement over time led to a cottage Industry of people who made careers out of selling their 'anti' persona to garner viewers. As the years became closer to a decade, we now have essentially a 'Grifters Economy' here on UA-cam - one which seems to play the algorithm and be feed into all our recommended boxes disguised as either shocking news or topical updates. And while I do hate to be the one to moonlight as a bearer of bad news.. The existence of these people, combined with legacy sites slowly str*angling on search-engine 'optimizations' and dwindling ad investments from corporate america; it has resulted in essentially a era of COUNTER reporting from the industry side. Yes, in an attempt to leech off the same algorithm appeasing outrage-pie as the grifter economy, we are now seeing publishers creating their own narratives and influencers to push against what's on UA-cam and sell ideas or products that are undercooked or outright false promises too. What we get is a era, where almost all discourse around videogames is slanted with a deep interest in towing certain narratives to drive engagement and clicks. The consumer cannot win, and it's often unfair to the developers as well who are often caught in the middle. We are now facing down the barrel of a landscape where most videogame discourse is either advertising from the publisher, or advertising for a ideal that everything is "woke and bad" or must be blindly purchased to "stick it to the chuds'". With a grassroots movement of people whom consume aside content, zealously coopting review systems, discourse threads and anywhere else to fight battles on behalf of these companies or content creators. The voices which exist who do classical critique are not rewarded by either the algorithm or the publishers. Ask Jeff Gerstman or any of the remaining legacy guys out there trying to get game codes. Outrage sells. So comes my conclusion as someone who was once part of the old machine, whom very much values impartial and fair analysis (not just criticism) as a way to make informed purchases and have civil discussions... I honestly think UA-cam is no longer the place to use as your resource for informed purchases. It's that simple. I also think that for the near future (possibly longer), any discussions around games or media are automatically going to be drown out and cooped by these online voices. I also see that the grifter industry has so thoroughly enthralled the younger generations who have grown up, only knowing it.. that you will be unable to escape the mind virus talking points and knee jerk indoctrination that has happened over the last 8 years. Because of this, there is no hope for improvement or reform. Yes, I said that. I am not a nihilist usually, but on this topic I have 36 years as gamer and far too much time observing, experiencing and studying this issue. The industry will have to survive this, and we will have to essentially outlast this storm. Until the grifter economy has run it's course, these old legacy sites finally are sold, and the generation of kids spamming social media and steam with political talking points and outrage have reached middle-aged and grown up a bit (most probably moving on from gaming) - then I see no way forward. Then I don't see this getting better, only worse. Infact, I attribute much of the recent escalation in bad practices and products of late years from a apathy in the industry. One which sees the consumer as a enemy, and one not to be respected or taken seriously. Due in large part by these discussions - the daily outrage and hit-piece videos. Essentially, all of those chaos has only served to ENABLE worse games and consumer practices!
This is a really good comment, and honestly makes me kind of sad. Why does it feel like trolls have taken over the internet and ruined it for all of us? I'm sick of seeing "outrage" and hate videos get millions of views and really good "down to earth" "normal people" views get practically nothing. It's the snake eating its own tail.
Very good points, although I see much more people calling out grifters and click-baiters recently. Maybe I’m just an optimist but i think things will improve once more people call out the grifters/outrage economy and promote valuing one’s attention instead of giving it to these people. I now have a habit of clicking the sub menu and clicking “do not recommend channel” every time I see channels using over the top facial expressions, “we need to talk about…” titles, over reactive negativity to minor issues, egregious clickbait, “MAJOR SWITCH 2 NEWS” over the most basic info, etc… I think more people are starting to get sick of it.
@@bobbylucas13It even sucks more when you follow channels for news on games and slowly they drift into this click bait stuff. I used to follow Mr. Matty for BGS news around Fallout 4, but all his titles and things are exactly as you described these days. "We need to talk" "what is going on" Im not much of a religious person, but I have attended church a fair amount of times. The pastor there says you can worship God, or you can worship the Dollar but you can not worship both. I think that is the most correct thing to say. You can do your due dilagence or chase wealth. Many online personalities have elected to making YT videos as a career instead of a hobby and chose the latter.
I don’t own an Xbox, haven’t played Starfield but the criticisms it’s getting with regards to the “emptiness” of it actually really appeals to me. I love liminal spaces, I love that feeling of lonely isolation (one of the seemingly few people who enjoyed No Man’s Sky at launch and was disappointed when they changed it) so I’m actually extremely keen to play it.
The vastness of space is one of the things that draws me to the game. There is some random events like ship landings to balance that vastness and make game feel alive.
@@Starfield_Eclipse For sure, if I had more of an incentive outside of Starfield, I’d buy an Xbox and probably enjoy it. I think some of the criticism feels more like hyperbole than genuine critique, it’s probably not the best game ever, but it still looks like a lot of fun 👍
@Starfield_Eclipse this is an incredibly small niche, Bethesda will not make money making empty spaces. You said yourself, "they need to add content to the procedural generation" They could add random events to a prebuilt world. Add one solar system with 2 or 3 hand crafted planets and space stations. Not procedural generated planet that feels empty and bare and not alive at all. Procedural generation doesn't work with RPGs. Because procedural roles are boring and hard to make. Non of your choices matter. I take out ambassadors, and the US scolds me but promotes me. No consequences. You can criticize a game, or you can be apart of the echo chamber making them worse.
@@behemoth-g6k I also said that the procedural generation is being worked on by a lot of different modders and improving. What would it hurt you if there was handcrafted environments and also procedurally generated environments as well. The procedurally generated content is improving constantly. It maybe niche the people that enjoy the vastness that the procedural generation brings but those communities that enjoy digital photography and other aspects are growing.
@@Starfield_Eclipse you sound like you enjoy ai art. I don't find the ad lib story of an AI to be engaging or it's world to be living. We can have both like the older games. But handcrafted should be the focus.
I bught it on day one and like it, but not enough to keep playing until the end, and no way I am willing to pay for an extension of a product I dont'n enjoy. If you dont't enjoy the main course in a restaurant, it does't make sense to pay for a cake made with the same ingredients All my respect for those who enjoy it. I love FO 3, NV, 4 and Skyrim, and I wish Starfield gets better with time, like others before
Yeah, I caught it. I am going to cover it tomorrow. It is another case of someone taking an unreasonable interruption of the story telling conference. I am going to have to explain what a corny joke is.
I think there's a decline in quality and an increase in quantity and the people in charge of the studios are thrilled with this because it's more games, more purchasable content, more money. Meanwhile the consumers (gamers) are like WTF man, why are games getting worse while tech gets better? It's because they're trying to cut out the humans as much as possible to speed-craft content to shove down consumers throats. BGS has been making bigger and bigger games... but they are not (as a whole) on the same level as much of their old content. It can't be when you have hand-designed environments littered with POIs and easter eggs vs procedural generation that is very empty. In a space game, though, PG is really the only way forward since people want that vastness of space. Space game players will have to pick between smaller and more intimate games, versus larger but more explorative games. I don't think you can do both at the same time without one side suffering.
@@foxmulder7436 primitive... as in turn-based? It's a legitimate gaming style. I don't like those kind of games, but it isn't primitive. It's different.
@@StarfieldWX-tb42 primitive as in old in everything. Every mechanic in bg3 has existed for several decades. Linear isometric 3d map. Ability rolls. Garbage turn basee combat. All of this is in every crpg since the 80s. Bg3 is "modern" and popular because of pretty modern graphics and a lot of cutscenes, but the gameplay itself is ancient.
First off I do agree with your point about negative journalism. But with that said I think the reviews on Starfield were very accurate. As someone who foolishly preordered and played Starfield before I ever allowed myself to listen to a single review I’ll say once I did listen to the reviews most of the negative reviews on Starfield brought up the same exact reasons for not liking the game as I had. To put it short Starfield is one of the most bland and boring games I’ve ever played. While BGS may have developed new technology and game play mechanics for the game in many other ways it’s a downgrade from the systems used in Fallout 4.
I only went on youtube because I wanted to see if there was anybody who had the same experience as me playing Starfield, and realised that yes indeed there was.
Hey just letting you know that you are far from the only Starfield fan and BGS know its finding its own audience. Starfield is a polarizing game mainly because it delivers its content differently to previous BGS games. Because of this it is now finding/found its own audience, which only has some overlap with the audience of previous games. There are no doubts loads of people that like Starfield and loads of people that dislike Starfield. That's OK as not every game is for everyone and it is true for every game. Starfield though had the expectations of fans of previous BGS games who wanted more of the same but in a scifi setting, but it wasn't quite that with the exploration.
@@Starfield_Eclipsenope, we’re out there. And not bots. :) Funny how if you don’t ride the hate train you must be a bot because of course real live humans don’t love the game.
@@Starfield_Eclipse theres about 100 million active sony playstation users who actively review bomb starfield so hard that they literally stockholm syndrome the gaming community to appease them.
@@craig.a.glesner no you are actually a synth. But it should be revealing, that the game that doesn't focus on anything appeals to a small niche group. The cons outweigh the benefits. It's healthy to criticize companies that are just milking a cash cow. Paid mods already, a lackluster dlc, empty world, radiant quest, radiant NPCs on max, radiant worlds. This isn't a handcrafted game. This is a late no mans sky with a weak rpg. No identity, no immersion, no fun.
This is a useful and informative video thanks, luke was in line with all the other content creators so this is the first time i have the whole picture.
it just dosent feel like a bethesda game even if we are being generous and ignore some blatant problems (like the ifnite loading screens broken dlcs facial animations ect) the world of starfeild just feels dead. What got me hooked into bethesda games which started with skyrim was that the world feels so alive and you will quite literary never get bored because into your 20th or how many playthroughs you will encounter something that you never have before and it somehow feels all connected together same goes with fallout while in starfield you just dont get that feeling the world feels dead empty and quite boring to invest through and for those few good things you will find they are copy pasted all over the game so very few if any things at all feel unique. Dont get me wrong skyrim and fallout are not by any means perfect like something like elden ring there are quite a few flaws with both skyrim and fallout but their strength are so overwhelmingly strong that they make up for most of the faults i just dont feel that with starfield. Now i dont want to sound like an ahole if you just enjoy the game thats good im glad that you found something you like to play but we cannot sit here and ignore the GIGANTIC problems.
I think the beginning of Starfield was kinda boring and overwhelming, which was a bad choice from BGS. Many new players probably lost their interest because of that. But after maybe 15-20 hours, it's getting better. Now I'm at level 137 and still enjoying and have stuff to do (Ryujin, Shattered Space). They should give skillpoints more available because many level 4 skills change the gameplay for much better. Jetpack and sneaking etc, those should be default gameplay and not needing to waste a skill point for them. Ship building could be a more significant part of the game, because it's amazing. I haven't played any game this many hours since the launch of Fallout 4. Good to know there are others who haven't jumped in the bandwagon of trashing every single element of Starfield.
I've been enjoying Starfield a lot more since I've been recruiting only my favorite companions to my ship. The main ones are annoying. Favs are Rosie and Marika, Rosie is adorable.
I am enjoying Starfield more than any other BGS game I have ever played. I have been playing BGS games since Morrowinds release (I am old), and Starfield is the best product they have ever released.
I agree, toxic negativity doesn't help anyone. It's a reflection of the nastiest parts of the internet. But constructive criticism is golden, can make better games. I like Starfield and hope they keep improving it.
@@Starfield_Eclipse nothing. It's a procedural world. You'll see a point of interest and remember it from the twenty other planets. Two handcrafted planets, with unique places and environment would feel a million times bigger than 1000 planets. Games feel big and lived in when handcrafted. Not barren wastelands and copy pasted dungeons.
@@Starfield_Eclipse try Stellaris, try no mans sky. Star citizen. More features, more vastness, better exploration with a built in loop to incentives exploration. Sorry walking five minutes for a copy pasted dungeon isn't fun for most people.
@@Starfield_Eclipse try x4 foundations, or any other game with an engine meant for seamless exploration. Do you not accept the criticism people have? Like their are better more vastness exploration games that did what Bethesda did but better and five years ago.
Holy shit you completely exposed Luke. I never saw that video before. Good on you for defending the game. The constant dogpiling on Starfield and BGS is ridiculous. Starfield is no where near as bad as some want it to be. Gamers have become such a miserable bunch. I swear everytime I look on on my main feed there are bound to be multiple negative vides about BGS and Starfield from UA-camrs I've never heard of before much less watched, and what's more, I'm not even searching for them. Remember how people complained that settlements in Fallout 4 were too attached to the story? BGS fixed that with Starfield but haters seem to have glossed over that and accuse BGS of being tone deaf.
Bethesda just made in UN needed like everything else. Nothing matters in the game. It's old design from dagger fall a procedural world with no consequences. I kill diplomats and ambassadors and get scolded by the UC. But they STILL PROMOTE ME. Could've started war but political assassination don't mean anything. NOTHING DOES NOTHING.
I completely agree with the author. Negative content always sells better. Our gaming community is much more toxic than yours and we have similar bloggers who spread hatred are thriving! And the largest channels, after publishers left our market, came to similar content. Starfield and Shattered Space do not deserve such strong hate. It's a great game, it's a great DLC. Yes, they have flaws, but everything has them. But for some reason, many people are silent about the advantages, deliberately creating a negative aura. This creates a lot of activity on the channels, due to which the blogger can charge more money for advertising some next suspicious school of game designers (like in us).... And ordinary people, for the most part, take everything at their word. The effect of social approval... Example: We have a gaming journalism channel called StopGame with 2.7 million subscribers. They released a negative review on Shattered Space. Based mostly on outright lies. The journalist tells - There is no variability in the DLC, I have a dialogue option marked [Attack], but I can't attack. At the time of viewing this review, I went through this quest literally half an hour ago and what the journalist says is an outright lie. And this is what the whole review is based on. Lies even in the most elementary details -There are no short outputs in large DLC locations.... God... What nonsense is this. And the most offensive thing. In one of the most popular comments under the review, the guy writes. - [Attack] in dialogue does not allow you to attack??? What a shame! 🤣... Obviously, the guy himself did not play the game and everyone who liked his comment and made it one of the most popular, also did not play the game and did not check this moment themselves... They blindly believe what journalists tell them. This is how the majority of people form an opinion about games. Mass zombification. If Starfield had been released in the absence of the Internet, I'm sure it would have been a hit! 😁 (My speech may seem like the speech of an intellectually limited person, it's just because I don't know English well).
I have seen a lot of the outright lies in reviews. I am fine with people having a different opinion than mine but lying or being disingenuous really boils my blood.
Thanks for a positive review! These other reviewers really are toxic. Many just have confirmation bias right out the gate. They dont like starfield but they play the dlc because they need content for their channels and just reaffirm their hatred. Games are for fun and people that treat them like it is their W2 job is crazy to me. I like starfield. I havent played the dlc yet, but im so pumped to try it out when I get time. I still like video games, unlike many reviewers 😂
*Bethesda should just combine Fallout, Elder Scrolls and Starfield into one mega time traveling space adventure and just focus on that for the next 5 years* 👍
I love Starfield. It was referred to as "No Man's Skyrim" in the run up to launch and I feel its still the best shorthand description. Starfield is an evolution of the Skrim's and Fallout 4's game design which were evolutions of Fallout 3's and Oblivion's game design. At heart all of Bethesda's games are open world sandbox role playing games but with each game Bethesda makes tweaks. The games play similarly but aren't 100% the exact same game. I have been playing Bethesda games since Morrowind and I remember seeing stuff online from self proclaimed true fans at the time Oblivion released trashing it for being a downgrade from Morrowind for "dumbing down the rpg elements for console players." It didn't get a lot of attention back then but social media is a bigger force now in 2024 than 2005. Brief summary of what I have observed. When Skyrim released there were people online trashing it for being a step-down from Oblivion. Fallout 4 got trashed when it released for being a step-down from Fallout 3. Fallout: New Vegas is the holy grail of modern Fallout games which was made by Obsidian not Bethesda except for those people who think all Fallout games past the first 2 top-down isometric games made by the original IP holder are the only good ones. Fallout Brotherhood of Steel is an ugly unwanted redheaded stepchild. Fallout 76 is Bethesda's cardinal unforgivable sin against mankind. The hateful dog piling on Starfield going on right now isn't actually anything new bit it is getting more attention than ever before because social media is an amplifier for negativity. Thanks for your video 👍
The worst part for me is watching people that haven’t created a fucking thing in their lives have literal meltdowns online. Creative criticism is fine but the starfield derangement syndrome is out of control! How can a game widely seen regarded as a 7 be “horrible” “terrible” and “bad” as one video another on UA-cam claims? Really tired of the pile on hate grifters!
Starfield is not a good evolution of the game play. It is devolution. Less choices, consequences, empty worlds and lack of immersion. No role to play. I've spent over a hundred hours. It is boring. Empty, I want a hand crafted Skyrim, fallout, Morrowind. They went BACKWARDS to dagger fall the procedural world with NOTHING.
@@DoctorDeathFPS not grifting criticism is valid. Empty world, the design goes back to dagger fall procedural world with nothing in it. People love Morrowind, not daggerfall.
I love starfield. My main thing i want to see is better lookin planets. Make them look good as possible. I want to land on a planet that has over grown trees where i feel like an ant lol. Make these planets unique. But thats just me. I got like 160 hours and still counting
There is a modding project that someone is doing that is touching up a lot of the different planets to do what you describing. I think I will cover it in a future video. It's a work in progress but the author already has several planets redone, just like 950 to go (irresponsibly large).
@@WingMaker2050 Planets Biomes Overhaul V2.0 BETA 2 is the name. You can play it, the screenshot look very good but I haven't tried it yet. I will say that right now it's only a very small amount of the game that was redone. I have been meaning to cover in a long form video but it's on the docket for after I get done with my first playthrough of shattered space. I really just want to keep the author motivated to continue as these large projects are daunting and can easily be abandoned if not supported.
If a game/DLC is good, journalism discourse towards it will be favourable. The internet enjoyed crucifying Cyberpunk on release and would have continued if Phantom Liberty was lackluster. But it wasn't. It was amazing and journalists acknowledged it. The same would have been true if Shattered Space was better. Equally, Baldur's Gate 3 should have been ripped apart by the usual suspects for being woke, but the game was amazing and they knew they wouldn't get clicks if they dumped on the game. Whether or not you like to admit it, there is a correlation between the quality of the product and the discourse surrounding it. If Elder Scrolls 6 is fantastic, most people will acknowledge it.
Bg3 was review propped by tencent bot farms. It's only enjoyed by bad house wives, and their dirty children, who waste their time on dirty novels. Phantom Liberty was hardly any different to the base game, it was only propped up by an anime and bug fixes. Both games were not amazing but catered to those who eat porn games. Put a pretty red dressed thot in the matrix and it would distract any Neo wannabe. Exactly what were you expecting for shattered space?
If you truly believe that only the games quality (or any products quality) impacts discourse then you are extremely naive about the way the world works
@@qwertyvypez I didn't say that only a game's quality impacts discourse. I said there's a correlation. Quality is one of the things that impacts discourse, obviously.
I agree with you, it's extremely hard to have a nuanced discussion online cause people on both ends seem to have a fixed mentality that will not change.
@@ph0759 Please look at the critic reviews of starfield (83 on Metacritic) and the discourse around the game by UA-cam journalists. They are starkly different. One is saying the game is good, the others are saying its truly terrible. Generally good games are received well, but hate mobs are real and in this case they affected Starfield.
I know if you keep making positive videos likes this ill keep watching you because I’m with you and tired of all the negativity I for one enjoy starfield and am sick of hearing the hate I want to watch videos about the game not about he said she said bs that waste my valuable time lol
I enjoy it mostly for the outpost/ship building and combat, stories like the main and side quest i wish they could have flash out more and better like the Freestar could have been so much more then just a simple boring corporate scheme. However the game still suffer from bugs and crashes from time to time wich makes you wanna uninstall the game for weeks.
People are just angry and resentful at Bethesda and Starfield because it took development time from ES 6, this is very clear to me. If you go Starfield's first trailer and scroll all the way down to 2018~2020 you'll tons of people telling everyone that it's going to be shit and that they want ES 6 instead.
Yes I have, there is a ton of other/older BGS games that I hope to revisit. I would love to show newer BGS players where the game progressed from and that these games are very much still alive and being worked on.
@@Starfield_Eclipse it’s definitely a passion project! I just updated the mod again just now. And hopefully will get that first quest with the amulet in there. Everything is set up for the first quest stage right now I’m just recreating the secret passage way door and cell doors
Totally agree. The demography of gamers has changed a lot in the past several years, which can be summerized as followed: 1. UA-camrs who keep spreading negativity about video games to farm views. 2. Fake gamers who form their opinions only from streamers and youtubers instead of actual gaming. 3. Entitled gamers who treat video games as wishing machines. They will cry and complain like a 5-year-old baby if games don't deliver whatever they want even if they're never promised. 4. Normal gamers whose voice is sadly obscured by the above.
@@jizhoulei3982 Maybe most gamers are psychopaths. Regardless, studios are at the mercy of consumers so ignore the consumers' interests at your own peril. Microsoft has a short fuse with cutting studios as they own a lot of them.
True. But that's because people just don't like Starfield. If the base game is bad, developers are very rarely rewarded with people flocking out to buy the DLC for such a game. The guy making this video is the exact problem. 'the procedural generation is fixed. Okay, maybe not by BGS but it's being fixed' is the exact line I needed to hear to confirm that this is 'one of those people' who think that BGS should get a free ride by having modders fix the game. He's a BGS apologist plain and simple, and his opinion is just as ropey as any other social media 'journalist' that feels that everyone else desperately needs to hear said opinion. I'm glad people are voting with their wallet and not buying it, because it's that and only that that will ever bring any change.
Starfield = many loading screens, no beautiful ambient music, boring stupid dialogues, no exploring feelings, all planets looks the same. Good features of Starfield not recover all worst parts of it.
I am not watching those hate videos. But I see the thumbnails. Amused by the hubris of bystanders commenting on the appropriate engine. It would be like watching a surgeon. Tsk, tsk. He went for the number 3 forceps there. Doesn't he know that there is a newer titanium 2.5 by Thingamabob? This poor patient might not make it 48 hours. Keep calm and play what you like.
It's come to the point now if I hear this psychological issue associated with 🌟 FIELD comming out of peoples mouths I don't give them the time of day anymore and that bafoon streamer that was insulting us for enjoying the dlc I subscribe to the MIKE TYSON school of philosophy he needs to watch that smart mouth👊👀💥thanks for the wisdom sir much appreciated
Thank you for calling out Luke. I used to like him back in the day, but all he does now is feed on negativity. He's gotten so big all he does is cover negative news and speedrun new game main stories and call the games middling to bad. Negativity sells and he knows it.
I hate Luke Stephens. He’s been a hypocrite since cyberpunk, talking about how terrible the story, decision making, etc. were in a 4 hour critique, only to pretend he never made those points and hail cyberpunk as a great game when the gamer disposition changed.
@@joker6558 he definitely went off the rails well before Cyberpunk. I mean like 7-8yr ago back in the day, not last year. Cyberpunk was a mess on launch, but players saw the potential. It's great redemption story for the studio, and proof that you can turn around after a bad launch, if the studios care enough to let the devs do the work.
@@StarfieldWX-tb42 my issue is I watched his 4 hour critique, and honestly, save for the bugs, none of what he “criticized” in cyberpunk was ever really addressed, but despite that he hails it as a great game now. I am at the point where I just dislike his smug, greasy face and arrogant long winded demeanor.
Your opinion is in the minority but emil appreciates people like you. You must be that modern audience that all these game companies so desperately want but can't find enough of.
The people who seem to have the most to say about this game always seem to know the least about it. That's been my observation since last Nov/Dec or so, has not changed over the last year. I couldn't be more stoked for Starfield's future. That's not to say its where i want it to be, but i also understand this is a 5 year long game with a 10 year product support lifecycle. Its not the classic One and Done w/ DLC package approach of yesteryear, nor is it that closed loop waterfall dev process that i think is throwing folks on exactly what Starfield is. A long form, semi-SaaS game with a story that's being told over 5 years not in Waterfall dev, but Agile. It was hearing about this approach before launch that motivated me to toss down on a pre-order that when SF was announced i was content to wait on a GOTY ed for. The long form approach is what sold me. I think these folks with all of these clown takes will be embarrassed at the end. Not only for not getting in the weeds and understand what they're playing, but because they were so loud and so over the top in the stuff they were proclaiming that i expect to see a lot of these videos just disappear from YT over time as more folks start to get the memo. Time to wake up and smell our Agile based long form story telling future folks, cause i can almost guarantee you that ES6 and Fallout 5 will take the same approach. While i've never been a TES player, i really, really hope they take the same approach with the next Fallout.
I cannot stand Puke Stephens lol. He's the WORST gaming person on the internet and he is the furthest thing from a journalist. He's just a professional troll.
I love Starfield. Because of my enjoyment of Starfield, I haven’t bought a game yet since it came out because I’ve been able to enjoy playing it on and off. I can play it stoned or sober and not all games are like that, certainly not the talking simulator that everyone seems to cream their pants over (BG3)
What I do notice with the whole starfield hate is 1.hated because it's not on Playstation 2. Hated because Bathesda didn't give these reviewers a review code for Shattered Space, I can named 2 youtubers that actually admitted this and 3. Starfield hate bring the clicks bring views, you got guys that put 500 hours on the game beat the game 3 times but will make like 10 videos on why starfield is the worst thing ever... most of these "Starfield hate" are just fake and review bombers. It's a fact
Yeah, I was very tempted to show the steam forum post about how buy, review and refund. Review codes are like bribe for a good review and a lot of creators were pissed that they didn't get one and rushed the game so they could get that day one review out.
@@Starfield_Eclipse I believe that. And the fact a game that comes out in 2023 is going to be a testing ground for games coming out in 2028 or later is evidence enough of a studio that lacks both technical and creative design.
@@Starfield_Eclipse exactly what people are worried about. Kicking a load of social media idiots does not change the fact that Starfield is a giant, empty mess of a game. There is no reason for Bethesda to use any element of Starfield design in The next ES or FO game, they already have the ideal template for a Bethesda game, and it was made by Obsidian. 🙄😂
I typically do not drop my past life too often anymore (it certainly is lost on most younger people anyway) - but for the sake of expressing the platform I stand on when I make this statement, I shall.
I was at onetime a editor and contributor in the games industry, specifically for Ziff Davis Media (EGM, EGM2, PSM, GameNow), Future Media and 1UP. I also spent sometime contributing to Eurogamer and USgamer.
This was BEFORE we thought of ourselves as "journalists" (well, before Eurogamer) and we took our jobs as employees columnists, editors and essentially entertainment. There was also a ton of WORK involved that would have been closer to copy-editing - but essentially we knew we were trusted and it was our duty it try to entertain and inform your purchases.
So that out of the way.
What exists on UA-cam is BY IN LARGE... NOT journalism or any form of constructive analysis. That does indeed exists thanks to a few people on the platform, but for the most part what has replaced genuine previews and reviews... what has derailed most valid and good faith discussion around videogames and pop culture...
Is a very vocal and active industry that start started as a grass roots counter culture movement some years back - a response to political and social changes that many people did not like. Changes that, as with all social change, began to bleed into pop culture and even videogames media.
This movement over time led to a cottage Industry of people who made careers out of selling their 'anti' persona to garner viewers. As the years became closer to a decade, we now have essentially a 'Grifters Economy' here on UA-cam - one which seems to play the algorithm and be feed into all our recommended boxes disguised as either shocking news or topical updates.
And while I do hate to be the one to moonlight as a bearer of bad news..
The existence of these people, combined with legacy sites slowly str*angling on search-engine 'optimizations' and dwindling ad investments from corporate america; it has resulted in essentially a era of COUNTER reporting from the industry side.
Yes, in an attempt to leech off the same algorithm appeasing outrage-pie as the grifter economy, we are now seeing publishers creating their own narratives and influencers to push against what's on UA-cam and sell ideas or products that are undercooked or outright false promises too.
What we get is a era, where almost all discourse around videogames is slanted with a deep interest in towing certain narratives to drive engagement and clicks. The consumer cannot win, and it's often unfair to the developers as well who are often caught in the middle.
We are now facing down the barrel of a landscape where most videogame discourse is either advertising from the publisher, or advertising for a ideal that everything is "woke and bad" or must be blindly purchased to "stick it to the chuds'". With a grassroots movement of people whom consume aside content, zealously coopting review systems, discourse threads and anywhere else to fight battles on behalf of these companies or content creators.
The voices which exist who do classical critique are not rewarded by either the algorithm or the publishers. Ask Jeff Gerstman or any of the remaining legacy guys out there trying to get game codes. Outrage sells.
So comes my conclusion as someone who was once part of the old machine, whom very much values impartial and fair analysis (not just criticism) as a way to make informed purchases and have civil discussions...
I honestly think UA-cam is no longer the place to use as your resource for informed purchases. It's that simple. I also think that for the near future (possibly longer), any discussions around games or media are automatically going to be drown out and cooped by these online voices.
I also see that the grifter industry has so thoroughly enthralled the younger generations who have grown up, only knowing it.. that you will be unable to escape the mind virus talking points and knee jerk indoctrination that has happened over the last 8 years.
Because of this, there is no hope for improvement or reform. Yes, I said that. I am not a nihilist usually, but on this topic I have 36 years as gamer and far too much time observing, experiencing and studying this issue. The industry will have to survive this, and we will have to essentially outlast this storm.
Until the grifter economy has run it's course, these old legacy sites finally are sold, and the generation of kids spamming social media and steam with political talking points and outrage have reached middle-aged and grown up a bit (most probably moving on from gaming) - then I see no way forward. Then I don't see this getting better, only worse.
Infact, I attribute much of the recent escalation in bad practices and products of late years from a apathy in the industry. One which sees the consumer as a enemy, and one not to be respected or taken seriously. Due in large part by these discussions - the daily outrage and hit-piece videos. Essentially, all of those chaos has only served to ENABLE worse games and consumer practices!
Well said. Sadly my analytics confirms what you said about the youth.
This is a really good comment, and honestly makes me kind of sad. Why does it feel like trolls have taken over the internet and ruined it for all of us? I'm sick of seeing "outrage" and hate videos get millions of views and really good "down to earth" "normal people" views get practically nothing. It's the snake eating its own tail.
Very good points, although I see much more people calling out grifters and click-baiters recently. Maybe I’m just an optimist but i think things will improve once more people call out the grifters/outrage economy and promote valuing one’s attention instead of giving it to these people.
I now have a habit of clicking the sub menu and clicking “do not recommend channel” every time I see channels using over the top facial expressions, “we need to talk about…” titles, over reactive negativity to minor issues, egregious clickbait, “MAJOR SWITCH 2 NEWS” over the most basic info, etc…
I think more people are starting to get sick of it.
@@WritesTooMuch Well thought out comment and I appreciate getting your insight.
@@bobbylucas13It even sucks more when you follow channels for news on games and slowly they drift into this click bait stuff.
I used to follow Mr. Matty for BGS news around Fallout 4, but all his titles and things are exactly as you described these days. "We need to talk" "what is going on"
Im not much of a religious person, but I have attended church a fair amount of times. The pastor there says you can worship God, or you can worship the Dollar but you can not worship both. I think that is the most correct thing to say. You can do your due dilagence or chase wealth. Many online personalities have elected to making YT videos as a career instead of a hobby and chose the latter.
I don’t own an Xbox, haven’t played Starfield but the criticisms it’s getting with regards to the “emptiness” of it actually really appeals to me. I love liminal spaces, I love that feeling of lonely isolation (one of the seemingly few people who enjoyed No Man’s Sky at launch and was disappointed when they changed it) so I’m actually extremely keen to play it.
The vastness of space is one of the things that draws me to the game. There is some random events like ship landings to balance that vastness and make game feel alive.
@@Starfield_Eclipse For sure, if I had more of an incentive outside of Starfield, I’d buy an Xbox and probably enjoy it. I think some of the criticism feels more like hyperbole than genuine critique, it’s probably not the best game ever, but it still looks like a lot of fun 👍
@Starfield_Eclipse this is an incredibly small niche, Bethesda will not make money making empty spaces.
You said yourself, "they need to add content to the procedural generation"
They could add random events to a prebuilt world. Add one solar system with 2 or 3 hand crafted planets and space stations. Not procedural generated planet that feels empty and bare and not alive at all.
Procedural generation doesn't work with RPGs. Because procedural roles are boring and hard to make.
Non of your choices matter. I take out ambassadors, and the US scolds me but promotes me. No consequences. You can criticize a game, or you can be apart of the echo chamber making them worse.
@@behemoth-g6k I also said that the procedural generation is being worked on by a lot of different modders and improving. What would it hurt you if there was handcrafted environments and also procedurally generated environments as well. The procedurally generated content is improving constantly. It maybe niche the people that enjoy the vastness that the procedural generation brings but those communities that enjoy digital photography and other aspects are growing.
@@Starfield_Eclipse you sound like you enjoy ai art. I don't find the ad lib story of an AI to be engaging or it's world to be living.
We can have both like the older games. But handcrafted should be the focus.
I bught it on day one and like it, but not enough to keep playing until the end, and no way I am willing to pay for an extension of a product I dont'n enjoy.
If you dont't enjoy the main course in a restaurant, it does't make sense to pay for a cake made with the same ingredients
All my respect for those who enjoy it. I love FO 3, NV, 4 and Skyrim, and I wish Starfield gets better with time, like others before
It won't. If they made 2 planets handcrafted. It would feel bigger than a thousand planets.
emil also replied back to a rant on a starfield facebook group I'm in earlier today, I screenshotted it but its still up
Yeah, I caught it. I am going to cover it tomorrow. It is another case of someone taking an unreasonable interruption of the story telling conference. I am going to have to explain what a corny joke is.
I've been playing since Daggerfall. Starfield is better than Fallout 76, but it takes pure delusion to ignore the decline in BGS.
@@K.R.98 bg3 is the most overrated rpg ever. It's popular because of dialogue cutscenes and sex. Its mechanics are primitive.
I think there's a decline in quality and an increase in quantity and the people in charge of the studios are thrilled with this because it's more games, more purchasable content, more money. Meanwhile the consumers (gamers) are like WTF man, why are games getting worse while tech gets better? It's because they're trying to cut out the humans as much as possible to speed-craft content to shove down consumers throats.
BGS has been making bigger and bigger games... but they are not (as a whole) on the same level as much of their old content. It can't be when you have hand-designed environments littered with POIs and easter eggs vs procedural generation that is very empty. In a space game, though, PG is really the only way forward since people want that vastness of space. Space game players will have to pick between smaller and more intimate games, versus larger but more explorative games. I don't think you can do both at the same time without one side suffering.
@@foxmulder7436 primitive... as in turn-based? It's a legitimate gaming style. I don't like those kind of games, but it isn't primitive. It's different.
@@StarfieldWX-tb42 primitive as in old in everything. Every mechanic in bg3 has existed for several decades. Linear isometric 3d map. Ability rolls. Garbage turn basee combat. All of this is in every crpg since the 80s. Bg3 is "modern" and popular because of pretty modern graphics and a lot of cutscenes, but the gameplay itself is ancient.
@@K.R.98 player agency in crpgs has existed for decades. People acting as if bg3 invented player choices most likely have never played rpgs before
First off I do agree with your point about negative journalism. But with that said I think the reviews on Starfield were very accurate. As someone who foolishly preordered and played Starfield before I ever allowed myself to listen to a single review I’ll say once I did listen to the reviews most of the negative reviews on Starfield brought up the same exact reasons for not liking the game as I had. To put it short Starfield is one of the most bland and boring games I’ve ever played. While BGS may have developed new technology and game play mechanics for the game in many other ways it’s a downgrade from the systems used in Fallout 4.
I only went on youtube because I wanted to see if there was anybody who had the same experience as me playing Starfield, and realised that yes indeed there was.
I thought the dlc was fine. I would've liked some ship parts and a varuun shotgun but I gave it 7/10 without mods. 8/10 with mods
Hey just letting you know that you are far from the only Starfield fan and BGS know its finding its own audience.
Starfield is a polarizing game mainly because it delivers its content differently to previous BGS games. Because of this it is now finding/found its own audience, which only has some overlap with the audience of previous games.
There are no doubts loads of people that like Starfield and loads of people that dislike Starfield. That's OK as not every game is for everyone and it is true for every game. Starfield though had the expectations of fans of previous BGS games who wanted more of the same but in a scifi setting, but it wasn't quite that with the exploration.
You are not the only person that enjoys it. Thanks for your point of view.
With how vocal the hatreds is it sometimes feels like I am the only one. Thank you!
@@Starfield_Eclipse - Nah man, there are lots of us that enjoy it! It’s one of my favorite games ever! 😄👍
@@Starfield_Eclipsenope, we’re out there. And not bots. :)
Funny how if you don’t ride the hate train you must be a bot because of course real live humans don’t love the game.
@@Starfield_Eclipse theres about 100 million active sony playstation users who actively review bomb starfield so hard that they literally stockholm syndrome the gaming community to appease them.
@@craig.a.glesner no you are actually a synth. But it should be revealing, that the game that doesn't focus on anything appeals to a small niche group.
The cons outweigh the benefits. It's healthy to criticize companies that are just milking a cash cow.
Paid mods already, a lackluster dlc, empty world, radiant quest, radiant NPCs on max, radiant worlds. This isn't a handcrafted game. This is a late no mans sky with a weak rpg. No identity, no immersion, no fun.
This is a useful and informative video thanks, luke was in line with all the other content creators so this is the first time i have the whole picture.
it just dosent feel like a bethesda game even if we are being generous and ignore some blatant problems (like the ifnite loading screens broken dlcs facial animations ect) the world of starfeild just feels dead. What got me hooked into bethesda games which started with skyrim was that the world feels so alive and you will quite literary never get bored because into your 20th or how many playthroughs you will encounter something that you never have before and it somehow feels all connected together same goes with fallout while in starfield you just dont get that feeling the world feels dead empty and quite boring to invest through and for those few good things you will find they are copy pasted all over the game so very few if any things at all feel unique. Dont get me wrong skyrim and fallout are not by any means perfect like something like elden ring there are quite a few flaws with both skyrim and fallout but their strength are so overwhelmingly strong that they make up for most of the faults i just dont feel that with starfield. Now i dont want to sound like an ahole if you just enjoy the game thats good im glad that you found something you like to play but we cannot sit here and ignore the GIGANTIC problems.
I think the beginning of Starfield was kinda boring and overwhelming, which was a bad choice from BGS. Many new players probably lost their interest because of that. But after maybe 15-20 hours, it's getting better. Now I'm at level 137 and still enjoying and have stuff to do (Ryujin, Shattered Space).
They should give skillpoints more available because many level 4 skills change the gameplay for much better. Jetpack and sneaking etc, those should be default gameplay and not needing to waste a skill point for them. Ship building could be a more significant part of the game, because it's amazing.
I haven't played any game this many hours since the launch of Fallout 4. Good to know there are others who haven't jumped in the bandwagon of trashing every single element of Starfield.
I've been enjoying Starfield a lot more since I've been recruiting only my favorite companions to my ship. The main ones are annoying. Favs are Rosie and Marika, Rosie is adorable.
I think they get overlooked by a lot of players
The game explores the persons own psychology state.
I am enjoying Starfield more than any other BGS game I have ever played. I have been playing BGS games since Morrowinds release (I am old), and Starfield is the best product they have ever released.
I agree, toxic negativity doesn't help anyone. It's a reflection of the nastiest parts of the internet. But constructive criticism is golden, can make better games. I like Starfield and hope they keep improving it.
Me too! I can't wait to look back years later and what very talented people have built.
@@Starfield_Eclipse nothing. It's a procedural world. You'll see a point of interest and remember it from the twenty other planets.
Two handcrafted planets, with unique places and environment would feel a million times bigger than 1000 planets.
Games feel big and lived in when handcrafted. Not barren wastelands and copy pasted dungeons.
@@behemoth-g6k I wouldn't play the game you described. Sorry but I need the vastness of space. It is a make or break thing for me.
@@Starfield_Eclipse try Stellaris, try no mans sky. Star citizen. More features, more vastness, better exploration with a built in loop to incentives exploration.
Sorry walking five minutes for a copy pasted dungeon isn't fun for most people.
@@Starfield_Eclipse try x4 foundations, or any other game with an engine meant for seamless exploration. Do you not accept the criticism people have? Like their are better more vastness exploration games that did what Bethesda did but better and five years ago.
Starfield on the username, wonder what you'll have to say about it
Holy shit you completely exposed Luke. I never saw that video before. Good on you for defending the game. The constant dogpiling on Starfield and BGS is ridiculous. Starfield is no where near as bad as some want it to be. Gamers have become such a miserable bunch. I swear everytime I look on on my main feed there are bound to be multiple negative vides about BGS and Starfield from UA-camrs I've never heard of before much less watched, and what's more, I'm not even searching for them.
Remember how people complained that settlements in Fallout 4 were too attached to the story? BGS fixed that with Starfield but haters seem to have glossed over that and accuse BGS of being tone deaf.
I do recall the settlement complaints. Shattered space is same deal, they give them what they want and they just move the goal posts.
Bethesda just made in UN needed like everything else. Nothing matters in the game. It's old design from dagger fall a procedural world with no consequences.
I kill diplomats and ambassadors and get scolded by the UC. But they STILL PROMOTE ME. Could've started war but political assassination don't mean anything. NOTHING DOES NOTHING.
I completely agree with the author. Negative content always sells better. Our gaming community is much more toxic than yours and we have similar bloggers who spread hatred are thriving! And the largest channels, after publishers left our market, came to similar content.
Starfield and Shattered Space do not deserve such strong hate. It's a great game, it's a great DLC. Yes, they have flaws, but everything has them. But for some reason, many people are silent about the advantages, deliberately creating a negative aura. This creates a lot of activity on the channels, due to which the blogger can charge more money for advertising some next suspicious school of game designers (like in us)....
And ordinary people, for the most part, take everything at their word. The effect of social approval... Example:
We have a gaming journalism channel called StopGame with 2.7 million subscribers. They released a negative review on Shattered Space. Based mostly on outright lies. The journalist tells
- There is no variability in the DLC, I have a dialogue option marked [Attack], but I can't attack.
At the time of viewing this review, I went through this quest literally half an hour ago and what the journalist says is an outright lie.
And this is what the whole review is based on. Lies even in the most elementary details
-There are no short outputs in large DLC locations....
God... What nonsense is this.
And the most offensive thing.
In one of the most popular comments under the review, the guy writes.
- [Attack] in dialogue does not allow you to attack??? What a shame! 🤣...
Obviously, the guy himself did not play the game and everyone who liked his comment and made it one of the most popular, also did not play the game and did not check this moment themselves... They blindly believe what journalists tell them.
This is how the majority of people form an opinion about games. Mass zombification.
If Starfield had been released in the absence of the Internet, I'm sure it would have been a hit! 😁
(My speech may seem like the speech of an intellectually limited person, it's just because I don't know English well).
I have seen a lot of the outright lies in reviews. I am fine with people having a different opinion than mine but lying or being disingenuous really boils my blood.
Thanks for a positive review! These other reviewers really are toxic. Many just have confirmation bias right out the gate. They dont like starfield but they play the dlc because they need content for their channels and just reaffirm their hatred. Games are for fun and people that treat them like it is their W2 job is crazy to me.
I like starfield. I havent played the dlc yet, but im so pumped to try it out when I get time. I still like video games, unlike many reviewers 😂
*Bethesda should just combine Fallout, Elder Scrolls and Starfield into one mega time traveling space adventure and just focus on that for the next 5 years* 👍
Lol, make an option at the unity to switch to the fallout universe or elder scrolls
I love Starfield. It was referred to as "No Man's Skyrim" in the run up to launch and I feel its still the best shorthand description. Starfield is an evolution of the Skrim's and Fallout 4's game design which were evolutions of Fallout 3's and Oblivion's game design. At heart all of Bethesda's games are open world sandbox role playing games but with each game Bethesda makes tweaks. The games play similarly but aren't 100% the exact same game. I have been playing Bethesda games since Morrowind and I remember seeing stuff online from self proclaimed true fans at the time Oblivion released trashing it for being a downgrade from Morrowind for "dumbing down the rpg elements for console players." It didn't get a lot of attention back then but social media is a bigger force now in 2024 than 2005.
Brief summary of what I have observed. When Skyrim released there were people online trashing it for being a step-down from Oblivion. Fallout 4 got trashed when it released for being a step-down from Fallout 3. Fallout: New Vegas is the holy grail of modern Fallout games which was made by Obsidian not Bethesda except for those people who think all Fallout games past the first 2 top-down isometric games made by the original IP holder are the only good ones. Fallout Brotherhood of Steel is an ugly unwanted redheaded stepchild. Fallout 76 is Bethesda's cardinal unforgivable sin against mankind.
The hateful dog piling on Starfield going on right now isn't actually anything new bit it is getting more attention than ever before because social media is an amplifier for negativity.
Thanks for your video 👍
I couldn't agree more
Yeah, I am so sick of the crapping on Starfield group it's an instant don't recommend for me.
The worst part for me is watching people that haven’t created a fucking thing in their lives have literal meltdowns online. Creative criticism is fine but the starfield derangement syndrome is out of control! How can a game widely seen regarded as a 7 be “horrible” “terrible” and “bad” as one video another on UA-cam claims? Really tired of the pile on hate grifters!
Starfield is not a good evolution of the game play. It is devolution. Less choices, consequences, empty worlds and lack of immersion. No role to play.
I've spent over a hundred hours. It is boring. Empty, I want a hand crafted Skyrim, fallout, Morrowind.
They went BACKWARDS to dagger fall the procedural world with NOTHING.
@@DoctorDeathFPS not grifting criticism is valid. Empty world, the design goes back to dagger fall procedural world with nothing in it.
People love Morrowind, not daggerfall.
I too enjoy their games too you're not alone. I think your videos are awesome.
Thank you!
I love starfield. My main thing i want to see is better lookin planets. Make them look good as possible. I want to land on a planet that has over grown trees where i feel like an ant lol. Make these planets unique. But thats just me. I got like 160 hours and still counting
There is a modding project that someone is doing that is touching up a lot of the different planets to do what you describing. I think I will cover it in a future video. It's a work in progress but the author already has several planets redone, just like 950 to go (irresponsibly large).
@Starfield_Eclipse oh no way. Yes when it comes out please make a video
@@WingMaker2050 Planets Biomes Overhaul V2.0 BETA 2 is the name. You can play it, the screenshot look very good but I haven't tried it yet. I will say that right now it's only a very small amount of the game that was redone. I have been meaning to cover in a long form video but it's on the docket for after I get done with my first playthrough of shattered space. I really just want to keep the author motivated to continue as these large projects are daunting and can easily be abandoned if not supported.
If a game/DLC is good, journalism discourse towards it will be favourable. The internet enjoyed crucifying Cyberpunk on release and would have continued if Phantom Liberty was lackluster. But it wasn't. It was amazing and journalists acknowledged it. The same would have been true if Shattered Space was better. Equally, Baldur's Gate 3 should have been ripped apart by the usual suspects for being woke, but the game was amazing and they knew they wouldn't get clicks if they dumped on the game. Whether or not you like to admit it, there is a correlation between the quality of the product and the discourse surrounding it. If Elder Scrolls 6 is fantastic, most people will acknowledge it.
Bg3 was review propped by tencent bot farms. It's only enjoyed by bad house wives, and their dirty children, who waste their time on dirty novels.
Phantom Liberty was hardly any different to the base game, it was only propped up by an anime and bug fixes.
Both games were not amazing but catered to those who eat porn games. Put a pretty red dressed thot in the matrix and it would distract any Neo wannabe.
Exactly what were you expecting for shattered space?
If you truly believe that only the games quality (or any products quality) impacts discourse then you are extremely naive about the way the world works
@@qwertyvypez I didn't say that only a game's quality impacts discourse. I said there's a correlation. Quality is one of the things that impacts discourse, obviously.
I agree with you, it's extremely hard to have a nuanced discussion online cause people on both ends seem to have a fixed mentality that will not change.
@@ph0759 Please look at the critic reviews of starfield (83 on Metacritic) and the discourse around the game by UA-cam journalists. They are starkly different. One is saying the game is good, the others are saying its truly terrible.
Generally good games are received well, but hate mobs are real and in this case they affected Starfield.
I know if you keep making positive videos likes this ill keep watching you because I’m with you and tired of all the negativity I for one enjoy starfield and am sick of hearing the hate I want to watch videos about the game not about he said she said bs that waste my valuable time lol
I enjoy it mostly for the outpost/ship building and combat, stories like the main and side quest i wish they could have flash out more and better like the Freestar could have been so much more then just a simple boring corporate scheme. However the game still suffer from bugs and crashes from time to time wich makes you wanna uninstall the game for weeks.
People are just angry and resentful at Bethesda and Starfield because it took development time from ES 6, this is very clear to me. If you go Starfield's first trailer and scroll all the way down to 2018~2020 you'll tons of people telling everyone that it's going to be shit and that they want ES 6 instead.
Me too, elder scrolls is my favorite series and this is likely the root cause of a lot of the outrage from the hard core BGS fans.
love the oblivion music ! did u check out my starblivion mod ?
Yes I have, there is a ton of other/older BGS games that I hope to revisit. I would love to show newer BGS players where the game progressed from and that these games are very much still alive and being worked on.
@@Starfield_Eclipse it’s definitely a passion project! I just updated the mod again just now. And hopefully will get that first quest with the amulet in there. Everything is set up for the first quest stage right now I’m just recreating the secret passage way door and cell doors
Great video, except for the Luke stuff. He makes me sick. I couldn’t handle debunking his and other RageTuber garbage. I’ve subbed to you now though!
Thank you!
@@Starfield_EclipseBTW that content at 34:18 is mind blowing!
couldn't agree more!
Totally agree. The demography of gamers has changed a lot in the past several years, which can be summerized as followed:
1. UA-camrs who keep spreading negativity about video games to farm views.
2. Fake gamers who form their opinions only from streamers and youtubers instead of actual gaming.
3. Entitled gamers who treat video games as wishing machines. They will cry and complain like a 5-year-old baby if games don't deliver whatever they want even if they're never promised.
4. Normal gamers whose voice is sadly obscured by the above.
Shattered Space is getting horrific reviews from "normal gamers."
@@jfkst1 you know what. Most psychopaths also consider themselves normal people.
@@jizhoulei3982
Maybe most gamers are psychopaths. Regardless, studios are at the mercy of consumers so ignore the consumers' interests at your own peril. Microsoft has a short fuse with cutting studios as they own a lot of them.
@@jfkst1 oh, let me guess you must belong to the last group in the demography that I forgot to mention: pathetic console fanboys.
Well said
34:18 is damning.
i think it's worse than the discourse. is the actual reception/market performance of the DLC... so, actual money/revenue/profit.
True. But that's because people just don't like Starfield. If the base game is bad, developers are very rarely rewarded with people flocking out to buy the DLC for such a game.
The guy making this video is the exact problem. 'the procedural generation is fixed. Okay, maybe not by BGS but it's being fixed' is the exact line I needed to hear to confirm that this is 'one of those people' who think that BGS should get a free ride by having modders fix the game.
He's a BGS apologist plain and simple, and his opinion is just as ropey as any other social media 'journalist' that feels that everyone else desperately needs to hear said opinion.
I'm glad people are voting with their wallet and not buying it, because it's that and only that that will ever bring any change.
Starfield = many loading screens, no beautiful ambient music, boring stupid dialogues, no exploring feelings, all planets looks the same. Good features of Starfield not recover all worst parts of it.
Disagree on all of your points.
Have you thought about enjoying things for what they are?
@@provaricus627 look, there are one game named Gollum. Try to enjoy this thing.
100% spot on.
It's very interesting how both of the videos with negative titles on your channel have the most amount of views. I wonder why?
Negativity bias, an unfortunate condition of human nature. Sometimes I exploit human nature to try and change minds.
I am not watching those hate videos. But I see the thumbnails. Amused by the hubris of bystanders commenting on the appropriate engine. It would be like watching a surgeon. Tsk, tsk. He went for the number 3 forceps there. Doesn't he know that there is a newer titanium 2.5 by Thingamabob? This poor patient might not make it 48 hours. Keep calm and play what you like.
It is truly amazing the things people will speak as an authority on with no knowledge of.
It's come to the point now if I hear this psychological issue associated with 🌟 FIELD comming out of peoples mouths I don't give them the time of day anymore and that bafoon streamer that was insulting us for enjoying the dlc I subscribe to the MIKE TYSON school of philosophy he needs to watch that smart mouth👊👀💥thanks for the wisdom sir much appreciated
Thank you for calling out Luke. I used to like him back in the day, but all he does now is feed on negativity. He's gotten so big all he does is cover negative news and speedrun new game main stories and call the games middling to bad. Negativity sells and he knows it.
I hate Luke Stephens. He’s been a hypocrite since cyberpunk, talking about how terrible the story, decision making, etc. were in a 4 hour critique, only to pretend he never made those points and hail cyberpunk as a great game when the gamer disposition changed.
@@joker6558 he definitely went off the rails well before Cyberpunk. I mean like 7-8yr ago back in the day, not last year. Cyberpunk was a mess on launch, but players saw the potential. It's great redemption story for the studio, and proof that you can turn around after a bad launch, if the studios care enough to let the devs do the work.
@@StarfieldWX-tb42 my issue is I watched his 4 hour critique, and honestly, save for the bugs, none of what he “criticized” in cyberpunk was ever really addressed, but despite that he hails it as a great game now. I am at the point where I just dislike his smug, greasy face and arrogant long winded demeanor.
Your opinion is in the minority but emil appreciates people like you. You must be that modern audience that all these game companies so desperately want but can't find enough of.
I wouldn't call myself a modern audience and judging by my analytics a lot of the fan are between 35-55. Like myself
He isn't a minority. Just not part of a loud mid sized audience that's angry
Truth.
The people who seem to have the most to say about this game always seem to know the least about it. That's been my observation since last Nov/Dec or so, has not changed over the last year.
I couldn't be more stoked for Starfield's future. That's not to say its where i want it to be, but i also understand this is a 5 year long game with a 10 year product support lifecycle. Its not the classic One and Done w/ DLC package approach of yesteryear, nor is it that closed loop waterfall dev process that i think is throwing folks on exactly what Starfield is. A long form, semi-SaaS game with a story that's being told over 5 years not in Waterfall dev, but Agile. It was hearing about this approach before launch that motivated me to toss down on a pre-order that when SF was announced i was content to wait on a GOTY ed for. The long form approach is what sold me.
I think these folks with all of these clown takes will be embarrassed at the end. Not only for not getting in the weeds and understand what they're playing, but because they were so loud and so over the top in the stuff they were proclaiming that i expect to see a lot of these videos just disappear from YT over time as more folks start to get the memo.
Time to wake up and smell our Agile based long form story telling future folks, cause i can almost guarantee you that ES6 and Fallout 5 will take the same approach. While i've never been a TES player, i really, really hope they take the same approach with the next Fallout.
There won't be another BGS game if ES6 is like Starfield. Microsoft will disband the company. They would not be profitable.
@@jfkst1 You're more than welcome to that opinion. I'll pass on it.
I cannot stand Puke Stephens lol. He's the WORST gaming person on the internet and he is the furthest thing from a journalist. He's just a professional troll.
Haters gonna hate 🤷♀️
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🤔, I have been asleep. I didn't remove any
I love Starfield. Because of my enjoyment of Starfield, I haven’t bought a game yet since it came out because I’ve been able to enjoy playing it on and off. I can play it stoned or sober and not all games are like that, certainly not the talking simulator that everyone seems to cream their pants over (BG3)
An eatable before I go recording eclipses on moons is crazy 🤣
What I do notice with the whole starfield hate is 1.hated because it's not on Playstation 2. Hated because Bathesda didn't give these reviewers a review code for Shattered Space, I can named 2 youtubers that actually admitted this and 3. Starfield hate bring the clicks bring views, you got guys that put 500 hours on the game beat the game 3 times but will make like 10 videos on why starfield is the worst thing ever... most of these "Starfield hate" are just fake and review bombers. It's a fact
Yeah, I was very tempted to show the steam forum post about how buy, review and refund. Review codes are like bribe for a good review and a lot of creators were pissed that they didn't get one and rushed the game so they could get that day one review out.
Wrong. Most Starfield "hate" is from gamers like me that never wanted a new IP and hate BGS not focusing on FO and ES.
@@jfkst1 understand that many of the things that you would see in FO5 or ES6 will be developed in starfield.
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I believe that. And the fact a game that comes out in 2023 is going to be a testing ground for games coming out in 2028 or later is evidence enough of a studio that lacks both technical and creative design.
@@Starfield_Eclipse exactly what people are worried about. Kicking a load of social media idiots does not change the fact that Starfield is a giant, empty mess of a game. There is no reason for Bethesda to use any element of Starfield design in The next ES or FO game, they already have the ideal template for a Bethesda game, and it was made by Obsidian. 🙄😂