Therapist Breaks Down Eclipse | Narcissism, Jacob’s Shift, & Assault
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Trigger Warning: This video mentions sexual assault.
This is the 3rd and worst movie in the Twilight saga in my opinion. Today, we’ll also look into some other characters like Rosalie & Jessica to get a break from the love triangle that never ends. Remember, having narcissistic traits does not automatically make someone a narcissist. How do you feel about Eclipse?
TIMESTAMPS//
00:00 - Intro
03:14 - Jacob's Shift
10:51 - Rosalie
16:12 - The Love Triangle
17:42 - The Kiss
22:10.- Jessica
26:30 - The Push for Marriage
28:52 - Is Jacob Delusional?
32:43 - Imprinting
#therapistreacts #twilight
COAMFTE-ACCREDITED PROGRAMS//
coamfte.org/COAMFTE/Directory...
FIND A THERAPIST//
www.aamft.org/Directories/Fin...
WEBSITE//
www.whatsanyamind.com
SOCIAL MEDIA//
Instagram: / _steph.anya
Goodreads: Goodreads: / stephanya
Facebook: / steph.anya.fb
EXAM STUDY PREP (that I use)//
American Association for The Behavioral Sciences Study (AATBS) Volume I & II (15% Discount): www.talkable.com/x/0pWfTO
FOR MEDIA & SPONSORSHIP INQUIRIES//
Please email: stephanya@thestation.io
GEAR//
Camera: amzn.to/2xJoybv
Mic: amzn.to/2XPZjin
Flash: amzn.to/3czlgGI
Mic: amzn.to/2ZxBDA4
Audio Recorder: amzn.to/3bUKG0J
Flash: amzn.to/3czlgGI
Lighting: amzn.to/2XnyQaa
Theme Song:
Prod. NDO: / ndovert
Prod. Mari Beats: / @maribeats
Rosalie’s monologue makes me think that she was very excited to grow old, see her beauty fade, and still have someone love her. It must be devastating to be in eternal beauty and never have that confirmation that you are valued for something other than your beauty
Good point!
I love this so much
Wow! I never thought of it like that. Great take!
As someone who watched the movies first, I never understood the like of Rosalie til this movie and suddenly understood her better than any of the other characters. 💯 why I wouldn’t want to be a vampire either lol
Wow, love this idea!
I love that youre commited to breaking these books down. Its like having a one side discussion with a friend. Most of my friends dont care for this seires.. book and movies. But they are my guilty pleasure 🤣
I feel the same. It’s so nice to be able to talk about it with you all!
@@StephAnya here's a little rant about Jacob because i can't stop thinking about it after watching the video lol.
i believe Jacob changed that drastically from the second book to this one because of his new pack's influece on him.
By the end of the second book he was still confused as to what his new "role" in the pack was and if he HAD to become one of them and do and believe the same things just because he turned into a wolf, like he suddenly didn't have a choice anymore and i even remember he left his oldest friends in the world without saying or explaining anything to them and started hanging out with the pack.
And after that new feeling of belonging to a group faded and the cullens came back he got soooo angry because he was feeling trapped and without the ability of making decisions and choices about any aspect of his life, and he used all that anger and fed his hatred towards the cullens just to put the "blame" on somebody, to make someone gulty that now the could even hide his thoughts from other people and was literally physically forced into doing what the alpha of the pack ordered and bella didn't want him and he even puts the blame on them that he became a wolf in the first place. So i think the was a loooot going on with Jacob that resulted into a personality change in this book and it had nothing to do with the author not wanting us to root for him and bella.
i also believe wholeheartedly that he was trying that hard to "win" bella because he needed that victory in his life, that in the middle of all that was going on getting her would back up the hopes he had of still being worthy and human enough and part of the "good guys". i also think that he's struggling with thought that he won't even find "the one" and without the imprimation he won't find anyone willing to be with him now that his a wolf, and he sees that bella doesn't care and he thinks she's the only hope he has left.
So getting her to be with him sooo much deepper than just loving her in my opinion. also honestly, none of the times i read the books i got any impression of a love triangle. Bella just saw an easier life with him, but i don't remember her ever telling him that he had a chance and every time he adamant that she was in love with him too but didnt know it (all that gaslighting made me sooo mad btw) she always turned him down.
anyway im so glad someone is talking more in depth about this series! i just binged all the other videos, i cant wait for the next one hahaha
thank you so much for making them!!
Thank you for your honest discussions about these movies and books. I love it!
Finallyyyy someone mentions Jessica. I feel like nobody ever peeped or cared that she actually was crazy jealous of Bella
I've dealt with girls like her and it's genuinely psychotic
Rosalie a character that I love exploring because her story is the the conversation about consent. The line “I wish someone voted no for me,” is so deep because it highlighted the fact that Carlisle actually took something away from her right after her fiancé did by turning her into a vampire with the hopes of giving Edward a mate. Carlisle is painting as a good vampire but his motivations and decision making rarely comes from the interest of the individual
you make such good points!!! I cant believe i never made the connection that carlisle also did something without consent to rosalie so soon after her "fiance" and his buddies all sexually assaulted her. I remember watching these as a teen and hating her because she was so bitchy to me and i just feel so sorry for her now. She truly got so many things ripped from her without her consent and it breaks me. Your comment really got me thinking!
Carlisle is an interesting character because I feel his motivations are so unclear, they often seem very selfish in nature. I feel like the story would be more powerful if all of the Cullens had been turned independently and come together as a family by choice, rather than Carlisle turning these characters and then them feeling obligated to stay a part of the family. It’s like he feels the need to create “good” vampires even though this is such a traumatic experience for most of the characters who have been turned and I think Edward also would have rather died in his sickbed than be turned into a vampire, at least up until the point that Bella gives his unlife some meaning.
That is an excelent point, but I think it would more of a metaphore of a parent because the idea of creating a child - in his case, a vampire - îs inherently selfish: passing your genes in order to prezerve your genome. In this instance, it was his selfish wish to create a family by forcing vampires created by him to become part of it. That is the circle of life, unfortunately.
I think he thought he was helping her though since she was left to die
@@Schu0086 its a cult. he finds them in unfortunate circumstances, Edward in the Spanish flu, rosalie dying from her perpetrator (as I remember), the mother being sicj as well.. so of course they think their new chance is soley because of him and maybe that's true, but that doesn't mean they have to be family. They don't seem to leave. They ate totally uncritical about him, they all follow him blindly.
I think it makes sense that Rosalie would be offended that Edward didn’t care for her looks. She came from a time period where a woman’s looks were an essential part of her being picked to be married. In part marriage was something she wanted, but it was also socially expected. And if she couldn’t attract a man, she would’ve been seen as a failure of a woman.
It’s actually much worse. Check my comment above so I don’t have to copy/paste what I already wrote.
Also she is considered the American standard of beauty as well
@@NoelleTakestheSkyI’ve scrolled quite a bit and can’t find your comment, would you mind copy/pasting it here? I’m interested to know what your thoughts are.
But it's painted as her fault like she is the one being superficial. It's good old victim blaming. It's the patriarchy setting these standards, not women.
Let alone that in the books a whole reason she was turned was to be a MATE for Edward. So add her upbringing and then the whole factor of why she was turned, of course she was upset. She had to deal with being a vampire against her will and then the other person in a similar boat she was turned for tell her she wasn't good enough for him. Imagine living with someone like that
The kiss scene between Jacob and Bella before the battle is even worse than StephAnya described. Bella doesn't just kiss Jacob so he doesn't hate her for being engaged, Jacob actually threatens suicide by battle so she kisses him out of manipulative guilt to prevent him from dying. That's HELLA gross. 🤢🤮
I’m ngl I didn’t even read the books and I thought this was actually in the movie😭
When I was younger I just knew that Rosalie was trying to keep basic Bella from becoming a Bad B*tch.
When she just wanted to save her life lol.
😂 now this is a theory haha
Right !!! And then she confessed she’s jealous she wanted the human life so bad 😅😢😮
Did Jacob say something that was not ok? Absolutely. But Edwards actions were repeatedly not Ok and abusive…honestly Bella needed to be single for a while
Yes but Jacob imprinted on a new born and that is just eww
@@ms.shineraynot his choice tho
@@terickastidbits2342nah idc, you can walk away from that 😅 if you’ve imprinted on a baby, then just accept that you’ll be lonely forever and at least won’t be a pedo
He both said and DID things that weren’t okay - aka kissing her w/o her consent (when she was very clear about not wanting it) which is sexual assault. And his “you know you want to be with me” speeches which is another red flag. Totally agree she’s better off single. Both men were trash in relationships
@@ambriaashley3383 exactly people that defend Jacob are just mad weird, both guys are a no for me
I think Meyer destroyed Jacob's character because she was trying to reach an originally planned end when her story had already changed directions. She first wrote the series as two books, giving the second one to her sister with no plans for it to ever see the light of day. (It wasn't YA friendly.) Then when Twilight was going to be published, she sat down to properly write an extended, YA friendly continuation.
The problem is Jacob hijacked the story. This probably sounds really weird if you've never written before, but characters and interactions kind of have a mind of their own. I had this happen to me in a book where I had a throwaway side character and the main character started flirting, and then he ended up being a major plot point. It just happens.
My guess is she wanted to use Jacob as the motorcycle plot device, and then they just had such chemistry. He's a sweet guy, and so he noticed the things like she didn't like music. And Bella was just comfortable and relaxed around him. It's why you can feel so strongly about Team Jacob in New Moon - he's the better option for her, because she's happier and a complete human when around him.
The problem though is Meyer didn't want her to be with him, she had the end planned and was going to make it go that way no matter what. The only way to do that is to completely change Jacob's character to make him a different person. She had to shoe horn in the ending she wanted, and that's why it feels so out of character, because it had to be manipulated to get to that end.
The only comment that makes sense thank you so much😊
I feel this so much, especially with the whole "baby sire imprinting thing", because no matter which way you look at it, it's WIERD. I feel like she didn't plan for him to be so tied to Bella but also didn't want him to be with anyone else. Because he had imprinted on Leah for example, he wouldn't be anywhere near Bella or the story. So she used the imprint baby thing, probably because he was so popular and fan reactions imo
I really wish there were videos like these when I was younger. I ended up finding an Edward and it’s eye opening knowing that I was obsessed with this series that glorified toxic relationships
This is SO important. Especially if we aren’t being taught and/or having conversations with our parents about what it means to be in a healthy partnership.
I hope you are doing better now & healing ❤️🩹
@@ambriaashley3383 not really bc I’m married to him 🤣 probably will heal after we’re divorced
Lmfao I seeked a toxic relationship so bad as a teen which lead me to a cycle all because of this god dam series
Like without realizing it was toxic I thought it was “love”
I agree with you on Jacob's change, but not on how bad the sentence "better be dead than one of them" is.
See it from Jacob's point of view : Bella WILL be a bloodthirsty killer. She claims to be his best friend, but is willing to turn into his mortal enemy. At that point of the story, Jacob has had little to no connexion to vampires besides Edward, who left her and do seem like a monster incapable of feelings at that point.
Besides, it is impossible to know how much control she will have at first, when she turns. She will likely kill humans because she won't have any control... There's also the fact that becoming a vampire results in more werewolves "turning", see the pain that it causes for Jacob, for Sam and Leah.
Honestly, it's harsh, but I get his point of view. "Better be dead than turning into a cold bloodthirsty monster who will endanger me, my people and the people you claim to care about - ie Charlie".
The rest...Unforgivable, as you said. Besides, painting the Native American as the violent, hot headed, dangerous man against the quiet white dude (who is actually much more dangerous) is terrible.
I mean, even the Cullens were amazed at her level of control upon her turning, so how could we blame Jacob for assuming that she'd turn into a killer in the beginning 😅
Also, the presence of vampires make the young people in the tribe phase. Their lives get derailed by the presence of vampires, who are just another threat to their existence. No one in the book really cares about that. The tribe is just painted as beastly when it is in reaction to a real threat.
Jacob has been trying to save Bella from becoming the undead or being murdered by another vampire. Edward’s been controlling but not particularly good at protecting Bella. Jacob is actually more competent in that way-even Edward admits that in the book: “You stitched her back together.” Edward accepts Jacob’s help on multiple occasions in the movies too.
It’s got to be frustrating. Only in this context is some of Jacob’s possessive and aggressive behavior somewhat understandable, if not right. The kiss, in the book especially, was assault. Charlie should have probably taken him down to the police station and asked Bella if she wanted to press charges. In real life, girls should run from anyone who acts like this. A guy like this has maturing to do and is too volatile for a relationship.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193I also want to add that members as young as 14 I think, were turning against their will. Like Leah's dad had a heart attack and DIED after her first shift, her bf went missing came back and imprinted on her cousin, the whole pack k ows her thoughts and emotions and judge her for not being happy with how stuff turned out. Like she's lost everything and doesn't even have the privacy of her own thoughts or feelings.
I can’t WAIT for you to do Breaking Dawn. That imprinting madness!! 😂And how Jacob was never really in love with Bella, he was drawn to the child she hadn’t even conceived yet.
Wild.
Deeply in love with unfertilized eggs 🤣🤣 I wonder if he would’ve still imprinted if Edward wasn’t the father. Also, vampire baby? Stephanie Meyers was playing in our faces lmaooooo
And the other half of his future-infant-fuckmate was in Edward’s icy sack. The implications….
Not forget about Quil and Claire and the „ideal couple “San and Emily.THe whole imprint think the way Stepahanie present it its creepy as hell.Its like you are trapped somewhere and there is not ecsape from that place.Jacob had said to bella that imprinting is more than love from the frist sigth ,more stronger and he also discribe what Sam feld when afther he vecome wolf when imprint with Emily.He said somethink like He loved Leah,but afther look in Emily eyes that dosnt matter anymore.Emily became his centar of his existense.How is that ok.And think became even more creepy ,when we wete learnig what was Jake thinking while imprint in Nessy.Yikes ,just Yikes.lets be honest ,Steph do the imptinthink stuff only so that Nessy can live and also becuase he wanted Jake to be with her,even when she also admitt that she can see the chemestry that he had with Leah afther they split from Sam pack and had to opportunity to spent more time and bond ect.THis would make a lot more sense ,than him being with nessy,of heck he could b e with someone brand new,but of corse she choiise the more bizare and make you shiver choise.
I am LOVING this analysis!
I never thought about what CAUSED Jacob’s change (even though I read the books as well) I always assumed that Jacob was hiding that side of himself, rather than seeing how he could’ve “changed” due to his heartbreak and disappointment
(Sorry for the mistakes I will make since I'm not an native english speaker). I don't know if it was really because he has hid this part of him. The analyze in the video makes a lot of sense. But I also think that an important aspect of his change is the fact that he has been part of the pack for a longer time. As it is said a few times in the books, the pack's members think in unison so they are more effective. He's mind has, in a way, been sort of corrupt or brainwash from Sam and the others (and the elders that have teach Sam everything). I found that Jacob in this book/movie sounds a lot like the internal monolgue of Billy that we have discover in Midnight sun. Just my two cents on the subject. Not sure if it makes sense.
Personally I always had an issue with the way the indigenous people in this book were portrayed, I feel like she did Jacob a disservice and made him weirdly violent and aggressive even with the whole wolf plot.
Also, SM glosses over the fact that the young people of the tribe only phase when vampires are present, and yet Dr. Cullen, who could afford to house his family in any cold rainy place in the world, CHOOSE to live right next to the ONE tribe who must transform in response to them. Yet he’s supposed to be SO principled and ethical. The Cullens know the tribe is threatened by their presence.
All this can be a metaphor for the generational trauma of colonization, except that I don’t think SM picked up on that. The gene mighy go dormant again if the Cullens and Bella moved away. Between this and having to imprint on Bella’s baby, Jacob gets a crappy story arc. His agency is repeatedly taken away. It’s like he is Bella’s perpetual body guard and servant.
This was my thought throughout the entire analysis.
Same, it makes no sense either since they existence to protect humans from vampires. They were just written like that so these rich, white vampires could swoop in and play white knight. They supposedly care bout humans but demonize, degrade and disrespect the wolves by moving to forks even tho they had a treaty with the wolves to stay away
I read that the tribe felt Lautner represented them well in his performance, but they did not appreciate the overt sexualization and trope of violence and aggression in the story. Also, the whole story is built on the presence of the Quileute tribe and their folklore-which is much more interesting than what we see or read-and yet the studio and SM “opted” not to let them sell merch OR compensate them, despite being asked. They need to relocate the community due to climate change too. It’s pretty awful.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193 that’s terrible!!! Shame on her
Thank you for using such popular material to make psychological knowledge accessible! I love you!
Thank you so much for watching!!
I was a very loving person with my ex. His happiness was my priority, and I was thinking of him all the time. Then he ghosted me. When he came back, he told me he met a person and he was trying to find out if it could work... I didn't feel hurt. I felt nauseous and so disgusting by him. I told him never to contact me again and even threatened him when he tried to. I'm surprised with myself, like I became a totally different person, and I lost all empathy for him. Sometimes, I hate him, but most of the time, I don't feel anything. He was the love of my life for 2 years. Now I find him so repulsive. I think I'm broken.
I don’t think you’re broken. Honestly that seems like a Normal response to me. He disrespected you and your relationship so it makes sense to want nothing to with him. Best of luck to you in all you do
You’re not broken. You were betrayed. His unfaithfulness gave you the ick. That is totally normal and justified. I’ve been there too. I hope you are healing well ❤️🩹
That’s a totally natural response to a situation like that! He disrespected you and your relationship, so you wisely refused to let him back into your life! And then you were able to enforce your boundary when he tried to cross the line, which many people aren’t able to do! So well done! Hope you’re able to heal from the whole situation ❤️
Wow, such lovely comments ❤ thank you very much for your warm kindness. Lots of love back to you all :)
This happened to me too, I was so hurt I didn't move. Then after a month he started calling me trying to get me back. I was so angry, I hated him. I've never cared for or dated anyone else. It's like the relationship part of my brain is broken.
Is Bella's not wanting to get married truly a personal value? I feel like it's more of a trauma response to the experience of our parents getting divorced more than anything. I believe the main reason why he was reluctant to be intimate with Bella is the fear that he would hurt her because he is a vampire not because he wanted to manipulate her into marriage. Also Edward is a very traditional character and the marriage is considered a lifetime commitment for vampires which is more sincere. It is also the same if she was to choose Jacob a lifetime commitment. I think both Edward and Jacob have more of an animalistic approach to finding a mate than human.
I love this question. I think just because Bella’s POV on marriage may be a response to the dissolution of her parents marriage doesn’t mean it isn’t a personal value. Ultimately, every person has a reason/experience linked to their stated values and/or morals. Think about how this relates to religion. The logic works the same.
@@Bee-gf8gn Well I'm looking at from the point of view that behaviors or beliefs that come from dysfunction ( I know it sounds harsh but that is what divorce is) aren't really healthy and don't need to be preserved. Being scared of marriage is just keeping you from experiencing a full life. For instance, Edward could have walked away because of that and there's no guarantee that Bella could find another love as great again.
Why not both? All of our personal values are influenced by one thing or another. Nothing exists in a vacuum.
I agree with this one. I don't think Bella was truly opposed to marriage. I think she was just young and had trauma from her parents divorce. I think it would actually be a positive thing for her working through that and choosing to break the cycle. Edward's ultimatum wasn't great but neither was her obsession with not out-aging him
I read that the author and due to her religious values and beliefs ensured that there would be no sexual activity between Bella and Edward before marriage; so it really wouldn’t matter what Bella or even Edward wanted is what the creator wanted happened lol if that makes sense.
I’m reading a twilight fanfic right now and the Edward in that story still did all of the controlling things but Carlisle talked to him about how controlling and almost abusive he has been and first he argued but now he is learning and coming to terms with it. It’s so nice to my twilight heart to see him grow
Oh I love that
Which fanfic is that?
I’d like the fic name
So fascinating about Jessica being a narcissist- I never read Midnight Sun so based off the movies alone I just kinda brushed off her behavior.
Agreed. I read the books a decade ago and never read Midnight Sun, but she always came across as typical self centered, superficial, popular girl. Not a narcissist. It was an interesting insight to listen to!
@@Tazazakshe’s come off way worse when you read midnight sun and see her thoughts through Edward. She was just a nasty vile girl
@@TazazakSame
Bella not comfortable sharing her engagement with Jacob is sus. The kissing proves it. Bella is no victim and she was playing game. There are three toxic people in this triangle.
Other reviewers have pointed out Jacob ranting about how he's gonna put himself in a dangerous situation and Bella trying to deescalate until she asks him to kiss her, exhausting all else she said.
I totally understand that, that was very wrong of her
i feel like the reason bella behaves the way she does has a lot to do with the relationship she had with her mom. a lot of her traits resemble the adult child of a narcissist, or something similar (maybe renee had bpd traits?) the whole premise of her moving had to do with her mom. when she explains to edward why she moved she says it was on her own, so her mom could travel with phil. but a responsible mother would recognize putting the pressure to make that decision on a child not even 18 would be unfair. she’s also really hurt over the fact bella doesn’t share every detail of her life (her relationship with edward) when she shows up at the hospital after the accident. but these things show she sees her more as an “equal”, an extension of herself. the responsibility makes sense it’s not unreasonable for bella to take.
all of that would likely lead to bella feeling doubtful in most of her decisions despite actually having quite a bit more life experience than most people her age, and it would lead her to be attracted to relationships that were stronger willed.
I’m not sure if I agree with the assessment that Renee was a narcissist. It seemed like Renee really wanted Bella to live with her, as Forks was a place Renee had rejected and felt her daughter would feel similarly. But Renee didn’t manipulate her into staying and let her make her own decision.
I think the more accurate reality is that Renee is flighty, which Bella recognizes as a character flaw in her mom. She left her marriage and small town life in Forks and then moved on with Phil, who allows her to travel and experience new things. Charlie reflects stability. Jacob also is somewhat stable. Maybe the reason Bella didn’t choose Jacob is because he’s more similar to the life Renee rejected and subconsciously wants to experience that same freedom her mother eventually did with Phil.
I actually brought up Jacob kissing Bella in a discussion about battery and consent last week in my Torts class, so it's interesting to hear how the legal aspects compare to psychological aspects on freaking Twilight! Love this so much!!
I am literally in love of how we are all growing up to be lawyers, and doctors and therapists and still include twilight in our lifes
As a 16 year old I was annoyed at Rosalie’s attitude towards Bella cuz it was getting old at this point lol but now as an adult she was just spitting facts telling Bella how she’ll be giving up so much and how she basically sucks at making choices lol I’m much more interested in Rosalie’s character than anybody else’s except maybe Alice.
The only reason to watch Eclipse for me is Rose and her whole look, Jasper’s superior hairstyle, Jasper’s backstory and the Jasper/Alice’s interactions when they are training. The man is a SIMP.
And also, how tf they managed to make Jasper’s and Rosalie’s wigs look the best they looked the whole Saga, all the while Alice’s, Esme’s, Carlisle’s and Bella’s wigs looked THAT awful?
OK but after watching you're video I'm just now realizing how many odd love triangle/unrequited love situations there were.
Jess/Mike/Bella
Bella/Angela/ Eric
Leah/Sam/Emily
I believe it's Midnight Sun that we learn that Rosalie was a little miffed that Edward took interest in Bella but not her. (Not that she even wanted him)
Even though James was dead Riley was unknowing Victoria's "Jacob".
There was also another vampire woman who liked Edward (she doesn't get talked about much).
Even poor Charlie started spending time with Sue after her husband died and Billy was not a fan. (Even though Billy didn't want her)
There were just so many weird romance dynamics.
Maybe Billy feeld weird,becuase its seems that they start dating pretty quackly of maybe that he was seeing his closes friend to date the wife of his now eath friend. I kinda explain his behaviour .
Leah/Sam/Emily o boy the think is that this triangle will be forever unresolved.This imprint stuff mess theire releoship pretty ,pretty badly and or corse the vilian in the eyes of the boys is Leah ,becuase she dont act like some martyr,but actually show normal human reaction good and bad.He still love her and i think that forever he will,but his love to her is eclipse by his imprinted love towards Emily ,i think that this would be case for Leah.Her love may transform in the fature somewhat ,but he will still be special to her.I want her to find normaly someone to fall in love i defnatly dont want her to imprint.There is so much possibility with what can be done with Leah and im afraid that if Step deside to writte a book to her to writte her typical stuff.Emily i cant sad nothink bad about her,but now im seeing her situatinion with sam with diffriend eyes ,When i was little i think that theire story was romantic and ive haven t think about Sam releoship with Leah,but when grow up i find it a lot problematic stuff with them and in general with the impriting.And ,yeh its seems that Emily had a crush on Sam before all this,but she didnt show this and act normal.Sam on the other hand think of Emily as Leah best griend and that was it.
Jacob was still a child, with raging hormones and a lot going on (wolfing, vampires). I think the moods are not weird for him at all.
I have known multiple guys acting out like that
And they’re assholes. I’ve known many guys who were hormone-ridded teens, and they still understood NO.
As a mother of a teenage boy, I completely agree
Yes it's more realistic to have him go through those moods
I definitely relate to thinking certain things were romantic when I was a teen and then realizing as an adult how unhealthy things were. I'm loving these videos!! Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏾💚💚
I think the only thing I’m not mad at is Edward wanting a wedding and to get married despite Bella not wanting it. He’s a traditional guy and I don’t think I’d really wanna turn someone if we aren’t gonna be together forever either lol. Sometimes a compromise has to come in if y’all really wanna be together and I’ve seen more than a few people have to make that compromise or break up. Really depends.
I haven’t read the books or seen the movies in over a decade so I could be wrong, but that whole thing was like the only time they actually compromised fairly equally for each other. Edward wanted anyone else but himself to change her, and she didn’t want to get married. She insisted that he changed her and he insisted they get married first. Compromise on both ends, they both gave up something important to them to get something important to them. Weird situation, maybe still not the healthiest, but at least they both compromised lol.
When you’re done with this series I would love your opinion on the Netflix show “My Happy Marriage” it’s a period anime on the relationship dynamic with This depressive girl who gets into a healthy relationship with someone she was married off too. It’s soooo good. I think you’ll enjoy it. ❤
Ohhh that does sound interesting. Thank you!
@@StephAnyayes please review! It’s so goodn
Omg what a great sugestion i love that anime, i started reading de manga first, but when i found out that it would become an anime i was so happy, like its truly shows the construction of a romantic relationship.
I love that anime! I’ve been waiting for more episodes to come out so I can have a mini binge watch and not watch only an episode each week lol
Perfect suggestion! There's also plenty of episodes to make extended content to deep dive and analyze at length and with detail
I can’t wait for you to talk about Jacob imprinting on their baby. That’s so fucking creepy
Thank you sooo much for this insight. I liked Jacob at first and then when I arrived at the 3rd book I hated both of the love interests. I dispised Bella for being a push over in all situations. Then the love triangle was annoying. It's beyond unrealistic. Then the controlling nature of Edward was driving me nuts. I severely disliked Edward. I read the book when I was 14 and it did not change.
I remember the moment I recognized why I hated the big jacob scene of kissing her and saying “you love me you don’t love him” type thing in college on spring break when I was in this exact situation. Like literally to the fuckin t it matched my entire situation and “friendship” with this person. I remember watching and wanting to cry tbh bc I was so angry and so disappointed. This person was genuinely so abusive to me in like all the worst ways that jacob and Edward had combined and it really messed with me. I’ll tell you this though, it woke me tf up and made me realize it wasn’t okay 😭
I’m so sorry he treated you so horribly. 😢 I hope you are doing better now and are healing from the damage he inflicted.
@@Tazazak he’s since been out of my life almost 4 years now and some days are definitely hard but therapy has really helped me begin healing🫶🏻 thank you for your kindness you sweet person
@@Thatgenderconfused3mo I’m glad to know you’re well on your way in your healing journey. 💜 Continued best wishes that you’ll heal and have a happy life!
We (daughter and I) found the series just this past month and it was new for us. Kind of fascinated in a morbid way. The books especially did not age well. I really appreciate the way you talk about the characters as if they were your clients and you essentially call them in to understand what drives their unhelpful and harmful behaviors. You are using empathy but asking for accountability. Great for people to see.
I’m also happy that my teen daughter says she is “Team Sweet Jacob Only.”
She’s sympathetic to wolf Jacob as he is under a lot of otherworldly stress + wolf hormones BUT she would only be interested in the sweet kid who rebuilt the truck as a gift just for his childhood friend(although Bella barely noticed that) or the kid in New Moon who is steadfast and patient and sunny (and who gets to wear clothes) who patiently helped Bella through her depression. My teen says she is really “Team Bella needs a stronger sense of self and to tell these guys to get lost” once the competition for control starts. Who gets married at 18, she says. (She also ships Edward and Jacob. ;) )
One more thing:
The main problem with the books is that SM wants them to also be bodice rippers for teens, so the messaging around consent is conflicting. The main problem with the movies is that they really sexually objectified a teenage boy through body modification, and while he was beautiful, he was before the extra 35 pounds, and we started to feel downright bad for him in Eclipse. “Doesn’t he own a shirt.”
Teenage boys still try to emulate that unsustainable body and I think it’s toxic b/c even the actor has talked about body image and dysmorphia and weird encounters with women old enough to be his mom.
I love that you're talking about these. Everyone is honestly terrible in this book/film. Stephenie has continued to say she's a Jacob shipper, which astonishes me. The one thing I appreciate in the book is that when Edward comes back from hunting, he says he trusts Bella, and she's welcome to be with the wolves as much as she wants. If she says they're safe, he believes her. The animosity is so much less coming from Edward (at least for a long while). It was refreshing. Of course, the movie did away with that.
This series has been really good. I feel like a lot of us read/watched and loved the series when we were young and naive, and now have complicated feelings about it as adults who can identify the issues.
Meyer butchered Jacob’s character after new moon. I loved him for Bella. He was the healthier choice because he aligned with her humanity. Tbh i think fan pressure led her to picking Edward in the end, and id bet on it based on the convoluted plot in breaking Dawn, It felt shoddy and twelfth hour.
Subscribing! The particularly maddening thing about the kiss Jacob forced on Bella (aside from the obvious thing) is how he blamed HER for breaking her hand after she punched him. "You broke my hand!" "Bella, YOU broke your hand." Anyway, spot on analysis as always.
I love Rosalie and I'm so glad that you talk about her because she has many layers and it's not so black and white with her.
Let’s not forget had Bella not gotten pregnant and was going to die after birth, Edward would’ve held off changing her for a couple of more years after she actually compromised and got married.
Jessica being the narcissistic is the plost I never saw coming😂❤.
Same here! I did not see this at all!
I didn't have so much of a problem with Edward. I my problem was Bella. She was hard-headed in Eclipse. Alice & Edward told her that the wolves were uncontrollable and temperamental. Edward knew Jake had feelings for Bella. Plus, Jacob made it very clear he had feelings for her. At some point she being older should have put distance between herself and Jacob. I found myself annoyed at times that Edward was tolerating Bella's behavior. Not to blame the victim. Jacob definitely assaulted Bella, but Edward warned her to leave Jacob alone. Bella should have spent more time with Angela & Leah. They were the only characters who told Bella the cold truth. Charlie pushed Jacob on Bella to slow down Edward's relationship with her. Smh.
And to think-the people are are supposed to dislike are Charlie, Leah, Angela, and Rose, yet they’re the only decent ones.
@noelletakesthesky3977 I understood & respected Rose's point about Bella staying a human. But Charlie lost points with me. In Eclipse, the book, Charlie displays a "boys will be boys" mentality and laughs when Jake tells him Bella punched him after their "kiss". I didn't like that. And Charlie was more concerned with Edward threatening Jacob after the "kiss". He wasn't as concerned about his daughter being assaulted, maybe because Jake is 2 yrs younger. 🤔
Edward, and Alice, constantly violates bella's consent and autonomy so him warning about Jacob or whatever just comes off as hypocritical especially since Edward has also kissed her without consent but he isn't demonized for it by bella or by Stefanie Meyer cuz he's white. The lack of awareness about how deeply r@cist it is that Jacob and wolves are all written to have uncontrollable rage even tho it directly contradicts their purpose, which is to protect human, while the exclusively white vampires, who show little to no regard for human life unless they deem that human important, are painted as the saviors is bizarre
Jacob is def in the wrong at times but he's a 16 yo boy written r@cistly while Edward is a 106 yo white, billionaire, mind reader who has multiple degrees and 80 years of life experience yet he behaves worse than Jacob and isn't demonized the same way
@dekuquan7010 when did Edward kiss Bella without consent? I know in New Moon, she asked him not to kiss her, and he stopped. Book has plenty of evidence that Bella wanted a physical relationship with her BF Edward.
@dekuquan7010 On race...story is Eurocentric leaning. However, there werewolves are depicted as losing control of their tempers in other movies or shows. Just like vampires stalk their subjects of interest.
My daughter’s middle name is Rosalie! Partly inspired by the character, but mostly because it’s a beautiful name.
I really liked her character. I felt like she came from a place of maternal protection for Bella. Seeing Bella as herself and the opportunities she lost as well as a potential daughter she could’ve had. (At least from my memory)
Jacob threatening to hurt himself after he finds out Bella is engaged is so viscerally aggravating to me that I get genuinely angry when I see his face during rewatches.
Don't even get me starting on Breaking Dawn Part 2 ("should I start calling you dad" 😡😡😡). Lock this man up.
I was actually surprised that she didn't go into that second kiss more, it was always one of the most disgusting scenes out of the entire franchise to me... Yes, Bella decided to kiss him but only after he literally threatened to unalive himself! I don't remember the scene from the book exactly but I do remember that in the movie, he literally says something like "give me a reason to stay alive" and when Bella says "because you are important to me, I don't wanna loose you" he just says "that's not a good enough reason" which is why she ends up kissing him - it's the only thing she could think of to make him not unalive himself, it's such a disgusting manipulation from Jacob, I have to agree with you, anytime I watch or re-read that scene, I get furious with Jacob and just wanna get Bella out of that situation immediately!
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193 there's a difference between putting up a boundary by leaving and threatening to go into a fight not trying to make it out alive. And btw, even after the kiss, he still left, but this time with the promise of trying to stay alive, so the kiss was definitely an instrument to make him fight for his life and not keep him there.
The fact that he said he won't kiss her without her asking for it earlier makes this even worse for me actually! Like, she made it clear, that she isn't interested in kissing him and he still ended up putting her in a position (accidentally or planned) where she felt that kissing him was the only way to ensure him staying alive - that's forced consent to me which means it's no consent.
Honestly, I don't believe that he actually intended to manipulate her into kissing him, he was just too hurt in the moment to think straight, but that doesn't make the entire situation less disgusting
If it was a situation where he wasn't threatening to essentially unalive himself and had Bella not tried other reasons to make him either stay (so he won't unalive himself) or at least fight properly, then I would fully agree with you, bc it would truly have been just a "kiss before the war" moment, but it clearly wasn't
In the book, it was Edward who made the joke. Imprinting is a horrible deal for Jacob. Dehumanizing. Adds to the beast trope.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193 so you're literally admitting that Jacob manipulated her and you blame her for not seeing through it in a moment of panic where she thought a person that she loves was going into a fight without ever trying to stay alive during the fight?! Do you hear yourself?
The easiest way to see this is this - would she have kissed him if he didn't threaten to harm himself? No, she wouldn't, since the kiss was not initiated by any deep desire that she had to do so (doesn't mean that there wasn't any desire there, just that it wasn't the reason that she kissed him), but as a desperate attempt to get Jake to not throw his life away. He was always gonna put his life in danger by fighting, that's true, but there is a very big difference between going into a fight fighting to stay alive and going into a fight wanting to be unalived in the process
I decided to rewatch the series with my best friend after seeing your videos, and I'm having so much fun! Eclipse was the one we saw most recently, and we were just laughing at all of the characters dumb choices 😂 I love the series, for nostalgia reasons but also it's genuinely entertaining no matter how much time passes, and being back in it feels good. your commentary is amazing and very insightful!
LOL GIRL…when i re-watching the twilight saga now, stephanie rlly did jacob dirty 😭🙄 thank you for breaking down the movies intricately and thoughtfully ❤ can’t wait to see BD pt. 1 & pt. 2 😆
p.s. would you consider combining them into one video?
Oh absolutely, the way she wrote these men/boys & framed it as desirable and normal says a LOT about her & some dangerous mentalities she has
I think Jacob changing so much between New Moon and Eclipse is supposed to be partially the supernatural effect. Imo, Stephanie Meyer wrote it with the intention that turning into a wolf/coming of age for Jacob involved him becoming more "dominant" and "animal like" and the hatred of vampires being instinctual. Because of being in Bella's POV / arguably not great world building viewers often try to treat the vampires and wolves as a little too human. But the story is a lot more interesting and things make more sense if you genuinely view them all as predators and Bella as prey.
I always thought that Edward thought that Bella had been convinced that marriage wasn’t so bad by seeing Renee remarry happily and seeing the Cullen couples who were also married. I think he felt pretty awful when he realized that Bella was going along to get along, and that he may have inadvertently forced her into marriage when that wasn’t necessary. As always, great video and great discussion!
What a coincidence I was binging your videos earlier! My birthday is soon and your video about birthday anxiety made me feel a lot better 🎂
Oh I’m so glad. I hope your birthday is peaceful 🫶🏽
These videos are so well-made, thank you! ❤
I loveeee thisss but girllll Jacob literally threatened to kill himself just to get Bella to kiss him and Edward reveals later that he would have forced himself on her again even if she didn’t consent to kissing him. Jacob was on something in Eclipse!!!
I missed that part. My cousin said..."Jacob was nice until he didn't get his way"...or the girl...which I agree with. I didn't feel he was as nice of a guy as Team Jacob made him out to be. At least Edward, never tried to overpower Bella. That's a red flag. Edward & Alice was right to warn Bella against Jacob.
@@kaisofine yea it was only clear in the books though. Right before the fight he says “there’s a pretty dangerous fight brewing down there, it wouldn’t be too hard to take myself out of the equation” he goes on saying that if Bella doesn’t want him to kill himself than Bella needs to do something to prove she wants him alive, which ended up being for her to ask him to kiss her. Then after the fight when he’s in bed injured Bella says “at least Edward didn’t say he’d kill himself just to kiss me” but she wasn’t mad at him… and for the life of me I don’t understand why
@@charlottedomingos9437 oh OK
Yup. Super disgusting and dangerous irl
That wasn’t consent. Consent needs to be freely given, not coerced. If a man holds a gun to your head and tells you you’re going to have sex with him, and you do, you didn’t give consent just because you weren’t physically held down. You were coerced, and that’s still rape. Bella didn’t consent to either kiss.
This series is so much fun! I’m loving it!
I'm really enjoying these videos from your point of view, keep em coming.
Thank you for this. You express these things so clearly. Helps me understand my life too.
obviously the books are fictional but these observations are so important to pick up on and reflect in real life relationships! thank you for making these videos ❤ very fun to watch and informative
I’m so glad that you’re enjoying them ♥️
I’ve been waiting for this vid!!!!
Please keep making videos like this❤❤ the terms you use make so much more sense for me when you apply it to situations in movies or shows
Thank you for the upload 😊
This is a really interesting and informative breakdown of the story, thank you so much for analyzing and sharing it!
Really loving your breakdown videos on these books and movies, I was obsessssed as a teenager and it's so cool to reflect back on them through a different lens, so thank you!😀
This series is giving me LIFE! Serious analysis of fluff content is my favourite thing in the world ❤️ This video was the highlight of my day!
28:00ish: re: the discussion of the marriage ultimatum vs. having sex. I think it's okay for Edward to say "I want to be married before we have sex" and it's okay for Bella to say "I don't believe in marriage so I don't want to do it." In a healthy couple, that would be a discussion, and possibly a (hopefully amicable) breakup because they realize they want incompatible things.
To play that forward a couple moves, they both might realize they can't stand being apart so they come back and renegotiate, and maybe we end up in the same place with them married, etc., but without the emotional blackmail of the original story.
TL/DR: I do enjoy Twilight as brain candy but I do wish it modeled healthier relationship dynamics.
I don’t see Edward coercing Bella either, even regarding turning her. Bella had no right to push him when there were others who were willing. She pushed and wanted him to do what he didn’t want to do, and so he placed a condition on it. If she wasn’t pushing him, then his actions would be assholish. But she’d not innocent in this. She’s so conceited and entitled that she saw no problem with barging into their home after not seeing them for so long, and, rather than being so happy they’re back and focusing on that for a while, forced them to vote then and there on giving her what she wanted.
I never enjoyed Twiight because I was concerned VERY early on that there were going to be girls who had these relationships reinforced as the ideal. Fantasy becomes reality when people are told in real life that this thing is good. Even in this comments section, there are people who’ve mentioned molding relationships after Twilight and not seeing the toxicity.
I LOVE your videos ! So refreshing to see someone who looks like me breaking down these topics 🤎
I hoped this would be soon! Can't wait! *6:51** waiting until 7 vibrations*
yayyyy!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 please continue doing this series, I love how you analyze and the actual relationships present!
i would love to see more therapist breakdowns of movies/tv shows once you finish the Twilight series!!
Hi very new subscriber and just wanted to comment and say how much I enjoyed your summary and just insight on the twilight franchise I’ve been such a huge fan of twilight ever since I can remember and have watched, so many people do different type of reviews on the movies but I especially love your reviews you have read the books and your a therapist so you have a logical standpoint on the movie to which I absolutely love!! Thank you for switching the Contant up a little. Definitely Coming back to your channel 💯 ❤️🙏🙏
Thank you for your insight and character interpretations. I watched the movies when released but you inspire me to read the books.
Can’t wait for the next ones 😁
I was sooo delulu as a kid 😢
I LOVE THIS SERIES! I’m learning a lot and checking myself lol
I can't wait for your next video on these books/movies! I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about Charlie and how Bella and others treat him in Breaking Dawn.
You know I loved how you broke down the this video I really enjoy and I really do think that a lot of these examples have to do is so many good things and all of our lives and I think that's good for us to understand a little bit how it pertains to going through life and being able to understand red flags and things I think that is a positive thing and I really like the way you explain it
Thank you so much for the structure of your videos, an inspiration!
Aw thank you 🥹
i LOVE this series! I hope you also cover life and death. It would be interesting to know if the subtle differences from twilight changes any of your thoughts.
Idk how true this is but I always heard that Stephanie Meyer wrote twilight to be a standalone, and then she wrote the wedding from breaking dawn as a follow up. But when she got an agent, they wanted her to make it a series. So Jacob wasn't even a character at first, and she definitely didn't ever really think of him as a serious love interest imo
Edward had a right to lay out his standards in the relationship...no sex before marriage...marriage in order to turn her into a vampire. Bella didn't have to except the offer. Like he said "compromise".
I am LOVING this series!!! Watching the Twilight Saga along with you so it's fresh in my mind when your next video comes!
Aw, I love that!
I love your videos! I love breaking down these books and the way you explain them is relatable and very interesting. You brought out a more insightful perspective to Rosalie, Jacob, and Bella trying to keep a normal life in caring for Charlie in your video covering Twilight. I’m excited for more of your videos! I’m going to watch your videos over Love is Blind next lol
Thank you so much ♥️
This is gonna be good 😌🔥
been waiting for this!!!! thank youuuu can’t wait for breaking dawn ❤️❤️
I love this series. I can't wait for your breaking dawn videos 🎉. I would love for you to tackle the summer I turned pretty next.
I hope u do all the movies. Thanks posting
When you talked about how Edward made a lot of decisions for Bella it made he think of that scene in breaking dawn part 1 when Edward snapped at her for wanting to keep the baby and said “ you decided this all on your own”
Great video !
I used to read Twilight as a kid, but not as a plot, but rather some other issues. I have a warm feeling towards the book, since if it didn't exist, I probably won't be here today. I don't remember the plot much, just how I turned the pages for basic soothing, but was never a fan, and just read it because my mom used to read it and I wanted to check it out of curiosity. The thirst for violence was something young me found relatable in Edward, and still do to some degree, and I understand how all encompassing it is, and agree with Edward on the no sex before marriage thing. To me, it just seems like a relationship that is emotionally distressing for both. And wanting to hurt someone even if it's against your values is very emotionally distressing. It's a choice to act upon it, but I see it more as succombing to temptation, and that thirst for violence can be all incompassing. Verbalizing it is important to some degree, especially if you don't know how long you'll be able to control yourself. Being tempted impulsively so to do something against one's values is very distressing. Together with his attraction for Bella. I don't think Edward would be happy in this relationship.
Personally, I am more of a Harry Potter girl. It got some great stuff to analyze, maybe the Dursleys are an interesting pick for a relationship therapist.
Me too. I was never interested in the romance aspect of the series. What drew me in was how Bella felt like she didn't belong anywhere. Which I can still kinda relate to this day but I'm comfortable with being able to socialize with people now and not expecting deep friendships.
Obviously I stayed for the vampires.
Dr. Steph, you can't be playing with my emotions like this taking so long between these videos! 🤣😅😂 I love, Love, LOVE your analysis of the Twilight saga and I am already looking forward to the next one. This video analysis was epic, as always, and I thank you!!!!🤗
Haha not a doctor yet! Sorry about the delay. We went on a trip and then I got sick, so we missed a week. I appreciate your support!!
Hi! I love your videos so much. My daughter just read the Twilight series and enjoyed them. Now I want to show her your videos so she understands that the books are just fiction and not a template of what healthy relationships should look like. Sometimes, we don't realize how much books and movies influence how we view relationships and develop unrealistic expectations based off of what we see. I just finished watching the latest Ultimatum on Netflix and was hoping you could doa series breaking down the couples. There was A LOT going on this season. I would love to hear your take on what you saw. Thank you!
Thanks for being on the toxic person's side too and not just clout chasing by completely devaluing them like most youtube therapists/psychologists I've seen
LOVE that you’re diving into this series and have been waiting for this video! I only read & watched Twilight growing up because my sister was completely obsessed. I just wanted to see what the fuss was about. I deeply disliked Bella for most of the series but enjoyed the way she found herself as a vampire in Breaking Dawn pt 2. I actually think that’s the best movie in the series as well.
LOVED the way you spoke about Bella parenting her parents in the first book/video. I think there is more to explore there. How Bella is so needy/dependent on Edward modeling how her mother manages her relationship. We see this same dynamic (of course) with Ana in 50 Shades of Grey. The ways absent mothers leave their daughters vulnerable to manipulative/controlling partners. Thoughts?
In a future video, would love to hear your POV on the Michelle Carter/Conrad Roy III case. I just watched the documentary and the Hulu series “The Girl from Plainville” based on this and I think there are similar themes to explore re: depression, teenage relationships, parental absence, etc. I know this is a real case with real people as opposed to the fantasy of Twilight but with our obsession with true crime, these stories are hard to ignore. Another one is the story of Betty Gore and Candy Montgomery as seen in the Hulu series “Candy” and/or the HBO Max series “Love & Death”
More more more!! Luv your break down of twilight
These are so good! I've never seen you before but I really love a psychological breakdown of my favorite movies like this. Huge plus plus bonus points that you're actually a fan and do comparison of the books with the movies! You even read Midnight Sun!
I watched the Therapist Reacts videos with Jonathan and Alan and love their content but they are not fans, nor have either of them read the books so you have a huge advantage there.
I look forward to seeing more like this from you! ❤️
Glad that you're enjoying them! Thank you so much ❤
One downside of watching these videos: I get the theme song stuck in my head all day! Great breakdown. Loved the discussion of control and values as ultimatums.
I love these new videos so much💚💚
Thank you 🫶🏽
I LOVE THIS, I wish this could be a series, would love the analysis for 50 shades of grey that happens to have started as a fanfic for Twilight
Yayyy so excited love you Steph ❤️
Love you too 🫶🏽
Unrelated to this video, I would love to see more videos on green flags in relationships! I really enjoyed watching your video of Tiffany & Brett from LIB :)
Finally. I was waiting for you
Me too!! :)
Thank you for being patient! It’s been a wild couple of weeks.
@@StephAnyait’s okay and I love your videos. You are making my day and you are kinda my psychiatrist HAHA.
Alsooo… ATE THE BRAIDS
I’m working my way through your channel and saw this series and thought how disturbing these movies were to me when I rewatched them in my 30s vs late teens…
But your practical advice your giving ..! I really wish I had you to listen to 10-15 years ago😞
I wish I could find a therapist like you!
But age and time can help to
I’m so glad I’m (almost) early. I still love Twilight but I love this series so much😭
I still love it too. Thanks for watching 🫶🏽
I love these movie breakdowns.
Last week I thought I would love to watch your view on Eclipse and yesterday BAM this video was suggested to me by UA-cam! I love your videos! ❤
Aw yay! Thank you 🥰
Hi Steph, I love how you break down hypothetical situations, such as in movies and shows. I would love for you to do Éowyn from LOTR, she's a character that has shaped my life a lot, as a shield-maiden.
i would love to see you break down Jersey Shore ! i think there’s so much to unpack there 🫣 i love your videos ! 🫶🏻