i think the answer to relation between the FO and Exegol lies on General Pryde, maybe the older loyalists of the Empire, like Pryde, were aware of all of this, being the bridge between the Sith Eternal and the FO
@SnappyNick Right, if Snoke was just a mouthpiece for Palpatine then all inspiration for the First Orders activities would ultimately stem from him - maybe even armor design.
I think Palpatine would have used the Final Order/Sith Fleet to replace the First Order. From Palpatine's first lines in ROS it's safe to assume he intended for them to be a means to an end.
@@fernandoquant which I way I see star wars as one continues massive story where every bit of canon is important. Just as a book or comic can leave questions for the future, so to do the movies
As as a fan of Star Wars’ larger tapestry I love this, but as a filmgoer this is frustrating especially when these days tie in material to films is becoming less and less tolerated.
@@gamerpro9809 Why does it have to be same as Legends ? Starting by the name... Stop wanting that everything should be the same as the old EU, you will end up disappointed again. I just saw similarities with the two planets being : a weather of thunderstorms, a planet in the unknown regions, center of Sith power, and even forgotten by the actual Sith
Nathema is more likely what this is based on. (Tenebrae Vitaite, Valkorian) drained the planet of all life to fuel his immortality then later setup laboratories there. Nathema was also in the Unknown Regions.
Robot Chicken Palpatine: Execute Order 67! Ewoks: *start dancing* Robot Chicken Palpatine: That doesn't sound like Order 67. No, no, wait, yes it does, yes it does. I meant 68, execute Order 68!
I have a lot of logistical questions about the final order. According to wookiepedia it apparently takes around 37,000 people to crew a star destroyer. Let’s say there’s 100 (although there’s probably more) final order star destroyers, how is Exegol supporting the millions of people? What are they eating? Exegol doesn’t exactly look like an agricultural plant
I feel like Exegol was at least partially inspired by Dromund Kaas. You know, secret Sith world with massive storms covering the entire planet where the Sith emperor awaits his moment to return and conquer the galaxy
I feel like that story plot would be much better. Snoke being an ancient Sith Pureblood regenerating his body on Dromund Kaas would've been amazing. :-D
I think it's the other way around. Everything was controlled and developed on Exegol, then filtered down to the First Order. The Sith Trooper armor was probably developed first, then the mass production version was issued to the First Order Stormtroopers. Old guard Imperials would have known and been the links. That and the navigators and droids for any ships running supplies to and from the system.
@@XxiPoisonZxX If you mean the writing, sure - there was no cohesive plan. But in-universe, which is the only part I really care about, there would be a logical plan behind all of it. Not necessarily a good plan, but a plan nonetheless.
I suspect the First Order and Final Order weren't connected. I think the Imperial Remnants split off after the Battle of Jakku; some because one, the rest became the other.
I'd probably guess that Snoke knew of Exegol and planned to tell Kylo when he grew to naturally usurp him, but that didn't happen because Kylo took his chance to kill Snoke in episode 8
This does make sense just imagine the First Order and The Final Order Fleets combined into one nothing in the Galaxy would have been able to stop them.
@Grim Shade The First Order basically softened up the galaxy for the Final Order. The New Republic still did have some military forces that could have tried to oppose the Final Order.
@@ilikepigeons6101 It actually reminds me a lot about Vitiates plans in Legends. He used the Mandalorian War and First Jedi Purge to soften the galaxy up for his Sith Empire to invade. No one saw them coming and the Republic was practically helpless to stop them. Especially once they had so many allies backing them as well.
I hope Sith Troopers are clones, it's not surprising that the First Order had a presence in Exegal seeing as it is where Snoke is from and that Snoke was just a skin suit that Sheev wore like a... ... sheath
@@yseson_ But how many years has it been since he died? A lot. His DNA would have deteriorated to a largely unusable condition. Every clone but Kix is dead now. (Who is nowhere to be found.) Also, using clones to make clones leads to major defects. If they used clones, they'd need someone else.
@@marrqi7wini54 dude DNA lasts a long long time 521 years before it even begins to break down, and under ideal conditions it last for 6.8million years now pair that with Sith alchemy then you're good. You don't think Palps wouldn't keep some of that sweet sweet Fett boy Jedi killing machine DNA around?The Empire switched Storm Troopers to cut costs. But even some of his royal guards remained Fett clones, and all of the Corusant shock trooper clones were cloned on Corusant in a secret facility. There's a very good chance Palpatine would save the best and most elite Storm Troopers for himself.
This reminds me of the Foundation series by Asimov, where there is the main Foundation and a secret Second Foundation that no one knows it’s existence, not even the members of the first Foundation. Maybe this is the case for the FO too.
The sound design for the Exegol lightning is amongst my favourite in Star Wars, equal parts unnerving and uncomfortable (like nails on a chalk board), but also strangely musical.
The answer to that last, lingering question pertaining to the connections between the sith eternal personnel and the first order would be Snoke. Since Snoke was Palpatine's engineered puppet, it would stand to reason that Snoke was probably funneling the best first order personnel to exegol to become members of the sith fleet and sith trooper legions.
My dude......just come out and say it, the writers obviously made this up as they went along with little regard to existing canon or even common sense. Expect lots of comics with terrible and nonsensical explanations for all of this
I wish the Visual Dictionary went in about Sith worlds like Exegol and the Palpatine family timeline. If it was excluded because of spoilers, then they should have released the book a week after release.
Is it me or does the story, location, power and scale of the Sith Eternal remind anyone of the Eternal Empire in Legends? Almost if Disney is kind of recognizing/acknowledging it but not quite taking the entire storyline, hence their way of having to bring it back entirely off the fans clamor for it?
Except the Eternal Empire is a bad concept. Any "hidden civilization" in Star Wars is honestly kind of lazy and shouldn't exist. Chiss Ascendancy gets a pass because Thrawn is a very good book.
It annoys me to how were this massive fleet staffed. Are those crew on each star destroyer enlisted? Or are they just kidnapped children from the past?
Well one of the high command mentions that they will need to drastically increase recruitments. So to me, seems each ship only had a handful of people in them, but none were anywhere near full capacity.
In the Thrawn Trilogy, Thrawn was forced to use computers to control rudimentary functions because of personnel shortages. The device is in the new canon I believe so its very likely that most of the ships had just crew for the command bridge.
I think the Sith-Eternal, just like the First Order, took in little children and trained them into the Sith-troopers, pilots for the TIE-daggers and the bridge-crew of the Xyston-Star Destroyers. The First Order then filled up the remaining crews for the Star Destroyers (thanks to automation only 30.000 are needed for every Xyston). This fillup is why the Supreme Council thinks they have to step up recruitment.
Merry Christmas!!! I don’t know if this is true or not, (I hope so) but I heard that there was a statue on Exegol that was wearing Darth Nhilius’s Mask. Canon now? 🤞
Its very likely the essence of the Sith on this planet calling to Palpatine. Similar to how Obi Wan told Luke to go to Dagobah except more cryptic because the Sith don't really get ghosts in the same way.
They are scattered around the Galaxy and occupy worlds. At the end of TROS we see that the Galaxy begins to stand up to them (those aboth Bespin, Endor and Jakku are destroyed). I assume Generals Finn, Poe and Lando take the Fleet Lando assambled around the Galaxy and mop up the First Order.
My biggest question is how on earth did they manage to build such a great fleet on such a barren planet like Exegol, in such a short period of time. And also how star destroyers can be built underground and emerge to the surface...
So I’ve got a fair idea about the aesthetic of the sith eternals troops and their look. Assuming they’re apart of a separate group of loyalists that were at exegol the whole time. I’m assuming their gears similarities came from Snoke feeding the technical achievements of the First Order back to the Sith Eternal, allowing them to keep pace with the rapid evolution of modern war fighting equipment (cos there are foundaries to my knowledge). As for how they got there. Yeah I’ve no clue
I think it's possible only pryde, hux's father and Ray Sloan new the truth about exogal. I think he puppeted snoke to give the first order which became their name. So the sith troopers were the originals and first order storm troopers were the design palps designed after his own sith troopers.
This is how I see it but I could be wrong: 1. Imperials lose at Jakku and flee to the unknown regions. 2. Palpatine starts construction of two separate fleets, kidnapping and indoctrinating children for both. 3. Two fleets are created at the same time: the first order and the final order. They are not aware of each other's existence. 4. When the fleets are ready, Palpatine sends out the first order fleet (with his puppet leader Snoke in charge) to weaken the Resistance and New Republic. 5. Once the Resistance is weakened, Palpatine planned to send out the final order to destroy most inhabited planets in the galaxy. To me this makes the most sense. I wish the movie had explained it a little better and not rushed through everything so quickly.
You may not be able to answer my question: why Anakin didn’t disappear in the Return of the Jedi? I wonder why he didn’t disappear like Yoda or Luke or Kenobi.
King Darth dark lord plagues wise behide everything not palpatine by cloneing himself over over lord Vader father lives he behind everything cloneing himself over over
I just saw The Rise of Skywalker last night and it was good. I enjoyed it. That being said, I do have a question that maybe you can answer. Spoiler Alert: during the end of the movie, after the resistance destroyed the First Order the New Empire (whatever it's called) you see a Star Destroyer crashing down onto the planet of Jaku and on Bespin. Why didn't anyone notice this let alone do something about it? Also, where was the New Republic during all of this?
Why not? A movie only needs to tell the core principles of the story. It has ALWAYS been this way with Star Wars. If you don't want to read the books, watch the shows, play the games, don't complain if you delve deep into the movie and get confused.
Jacob wrong sooooo wrong Star Wars books never had to explain the plots of the movies they always expanded on stories within the movies little things got expanded but never had they had to explain the plot...movies said empire build Death Star books expanded how that happened imagine if ESB didn’t say Vader is Luke’s father but a comic set between does it then ROTJ Luke asks Obi Wan hey is it true Vader is my dad the audience would be confused as hell Star Wars never did that before Disney
@@NeoakiraIV Yeah, they did. The plots stand fine on their own, the novelizations just clear up any unimportant unanswered questions. That's how it has ALWAYS been.
Hey Alex! How do you think Ben got to Exegol at the end with that old TIE fighter since it doesn’t have a hyperdrive? Probably JJ just wanted to see a classic X-wing and TIE next to each other, but the story group must have thought about how it could work. Also he didn’t have the wayfinder anymore and how did that TIE even survive in the wreckage of the second Death Star? 😀
Did anybody else notice while they were fighting on the command ship one of the sith troopers was hit with blaster fire and his armor took the hit and he kept fighting? I was like holy crap his armor actually work.
@@Special_Agent_NSB It's totally gonna happen. The reason they didn't make TOR canon yet is that they want audience focus to be on the current era and they don't want to introduce a whole new era in canon in some books or one-shot comic.
If Palpatine made Snoke, he was running things from the shadows, so it would be easy for Snoke to provide the designs for FO troop and other gear. The real question isn’t why how did Final Order get FO gear; it’s why did they base their “JJ needed a” super weapons on an up scaled version of the ISD instead of one of the newer improved star destroyer designs from the FO... or if they wanted the Imp aesthetic (cause JJ also needs nostalgia), at least base it on an ISD2... and actually make it bigger, don’t just use the same model, hot glue a gun to it and say it is 1.5 times bigger.
Darth Vader was the first to discover Exegol before Kylo Ren and Ray using the Sith Way-finder. Darth Noctyss and Darth Sanguis the ancient Sith Lords came to Exegol to seek immortality.
I would guess that only Snoke knew about Exegol but hadn't told kylo ren because he wasn't exactly anticipating being cut in half. Like the first order wasn't quite ready for that stage yet but kylo ren becoming supreme leader threw things off course.
The reason why the First Order had some access to the Sith Troopers was because Allegiant General Pryde (Richard E. Grant) was a follower of Palpatine.
There were at least 100+ Star Destroyers with 40,000+ crew on each ship. That's 4 million right there that knew where Exegol was. So much for "secret" planet.
I have a serious question for star wars fans: were we too harsh on the sequels? Was all the hate justified, or did the movies accomplish more than dividing the community? Im not so much a defender but i do remember disliking and then slowly appreciating the prequels.
You know what could have been a cool artistic choice? They could have had the statues look reminiscent of the appearance of characters from the Clone Wars. For example, a statue of Count Dooku would be a stone rendition of his Clone Wars appearance.
Exegol feels weird to say right? Malacore, Dathomir etc, good evil planet names that sound evil and nice when you say em. Exegol trips over in your mouth.
I think palpatine's original plan since the beginning is to form a Sith empire like it was during the Old Republic era. So he form the Empire and build Death star to announce the return of the Sith. But then Luke destroy the death star so he have to kill luke @ the last jedi. For the next 4 years he try to stop rebellion and Luke but get killed. So when he return he create Snoke to form a new goverment and when his Sith fleet is ready he announce arrival of Sith to the entire Galaxy.
If it was next to impossible to make it to Exegol, how were there hundreds of Star Destroyers and tens of thousands of Final Order military there? Where were all the Star Destroyers built? Where did the raw materials for the star destroyers come from? Where did the personnel come from? Are they all clones? A project of that size would have a logistical footprint much larger than a remote and inaccessible planet. When the fleet first flash on the screen, I thought it was a vision. When I realized they were real, it shattered my immersion in the movie.
I don't think the Sith Trooper armor looks any more like the First Order gear than any other type of Trooper. I don't know what that comment is based on. So, I wouldn't say that is a reliable thread to pull on in terms of a connection between the First and Final Order.
Hey man i know that this isnt star wars related but i do know you are also a hige indiana jones fan. I am telling you that you need to go back to the last crusade and listen to the music at 1 hour 40 minuets and 30 seconds until 1 hour 40 minutes and 40 seconds. You will here the trumpets play and it is the exact same thing as kylo rens theme
Since snoke helped the first order and Palpatine was snoke maybe he designed the first order uniforms and armor and then palpatine used the first order design as inspiration for the final order uniforms and armor
I'm starting to believe the red letter media theory that the palpatine we saw in the movie has been the original one the whole time and the Darth sidious was nothing more but the clone
You should also mention the Sith actually polluted it to the way it is now and also it has a blue giant Star that probably has an unstable habitable zone
My only question about TRoS is: Why didn’t Disney/Lucasfilm give Episode IX to Rian Johnson and allow him the time to finish the saga rather than fast track JJ into this slapdash fankwank rush job?
What I'm still confused about is if Sith Wayfinders were already in Palpatine and Vader's possession, why did they need explorers to seek out Exegol in the Aftermath novels? Was the way to Exegol already stored on the wayfinders, or did Palpatine put in the coordinates after his explorers located the planet?
@@TheLiamster I don't think so. The visual dictionary states that you just needed to hook it up to a ship, and it would guide you, like what we saw in the film. We also saw in the film that once the way is discovered, Wayfinders were no longer needed to get to Exegol, which is how the Resistance gets there.
We know the safe ROUTE was only found soon before Endor. The Wayfinders may have been found a little before then though, and the location known a bit longer.
There was nothing in the VD that suggested to me anyone in the FO knew about Exegol prior to the Emperor's broadcast. What from it gave you that impression (not a criticism, just genuinely curious)?
I can only imagine Exegol will be explored a lot in any Disney Star Wars Old Republic works like novels/books, comics, video games and live-action Disney+ series mainly I think of it as a lost Sith Empire/Sith Order colony and in addition to being the birthplace of the Sith Eternal cult it also was where the ancient Sith would use it as a place to conduct rituals and meetings whenever say Korriban was not available to use.
How did the knife point to a broken bit of the Death Star where the Wayfinder was? So if the knife was made after the Death Star was destroyed, who made it and why? That bit made no sense to me whatsoever
I don't know who made it, but the translation of the description was really specific, mentioning the coordinates and a specific ridge to be standing on. It's super convenient and I don't know why the dagger was made, but at least the design behind it made sense to me.
In ROTJ, Anakin successfully killed Palpatine. In between ROTJ and TROS, Sith Loyaltists from the Unknown Regions potentially brought him back to the planet Exogal, hoping to ressurect his life. In The Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine is clinging between life and death and nearly comes back to life once he drains Ben and Rey, but just like Mace Windu did, Rey sent the lightning back to him and he was put down once and for all(potentially).
@Geekdom's Grandpa - What might I ask would they have brought back to do this resurrection? All this sounds like a convoluted mess to try to justify Disney not planning anything. Then having to retcon their own story to make the third movie have an antagonist.
Would you be willing to do a video dissecting each Ahsoka sketch Dave Filoni has released post-Rebels? I'm interested in hearing your take on all of them.
@@jigolocana7492 Thank you. Maybe you are right about that because no leak for " sith pilot" costume or character. I think sith jet trooper use Tie Dagger. But I don't prove it.
Probably manned by the First Order after the Sith-fleet is discovered. Which would also explain why the Supreme Council of the First Order thinks they have to step up recruitment in TROS: They have to compensate the loss of troops they used to man the Sith-fleet.
It is a cool planet and I like the throne room. Merry Christmas
Throne is based off Ralph McQuarrie's concept art for the Return of the Jedi Emperor's Throne. I really like it too
Might be the coolest new planet in rise of skywalker
i think the answer to relation between the FO and Exegol lies on General Pryde, maybe the older loyalists of the Empire, like Pryde, were aware of all of this, being the bridge between the Sith Eternal and the FO
I think this also.
Huh. If that's the case, I wonder if people like Brendol Hux, Commander Hask, and Gleb knew.
@@CC1138 I think Hask and Hux father knew.... Project resurrection might be about that.
@SnappyNick Right, if Snoke was just a mouthpiece for Palpatine then all inspiration for the First Orders activities would ultimately stem from him - maybe even armor design.
I think Palpatine would have used the Final Order/Sith Fleet to replace the First Order. From Palpatine's first lines in ROS it's safe to assume he intended for them to be a means to an end.
I feel like Exogol is just screams "A lot of tie-in books and comics is coming to explain all of this"
Like everything Star Wars always
@@fernandoquant which I way I see star wars as one continues massive story where every bit of canon is important. Just as a book or comic can leave questions for the future, so to do the movies
Even has that giant scary sith cube
It's location in the Essential Atlas would be grid F-7, by my estimates (of the Visual Guide map)
As as a fan of Star Wars’ larger tapestry I love this, but as a filmgoer this is frustrating especially when these days tie in material to films is becoming less and less tolerated.
I saw and felt Exegol like a canon Dromund Kaas
Yas a wrecked version of dromund kaas after many years of sith coruption
dromund kaas has a huge city not a ruineds or too much darknesd
@@gamerpro9809 yes back then in the old republic but after eons of sith coruption the planet may have been destroyed
@@gamerpro9809 Why does it have to be same as Legends ? Starting by the name... Stop wanting that everything should be the same as the old EU, you will end up disappointed again.
I just saw similarities with the two planets being : a weather of thunderstorms, a planet in the unknown regions, center of Sith power, and even forgotten by the actual Sith
Nathema is more likely what this is based on. (Tenebrae Vitaite, Valkorian) drained the planet of all life to fuel his immortality then later setup laboratories there. Nathema was also in the Unknown Regions.
The final order aka order 67
@El-ahrairah nice
@El-ahrairah nice
El-ahrairah nice
Actually Palpatine had 150 contingency plans including order 66
Robot Chicken Palpatine: Execute Order 67!
Ewoks: *start dancing*
Robot Chicken Palpatine: That doesn't sound like Order 67. No, no, wait, yes it does, yes it does. I meant 68, execute Order 68!
I have a lot of logistical questions about the final order. According to wookiepedia it apparently takes around 37,000 people to crew a star destroyer. Let’s say there’s 100 (although there’s probably more) final order star destroyers, how is Exegol supporting the millions of people? What are they eating? Exegol doesn’t exactly look like an agricultural plant
There might be other planets near exogol or if not the dark side is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be unnatural like food creation🤔😂
The Dark side is the answer to everything
If Palpatine is strongest on Exegol maybe he used magic to construct and crew his new fleet
According to visionary hack JJ Abrams: "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit"
Robert Kinoy first order didnt know about him until he revealed himself
I feel like Exegol was at least partially inspired by Dromund Kaas. You know, secret Sith world with massive storms covering the entire planet where the Sith emperor awaits his moment to return and conquer the galaxy
I feel like that story plot would be much better. Snoke being an ancient Sith Pureblood regenerating his body on Dromund Kaas would've been amazing. :-D
@@michaelblower7363 thats what i thought back at 2015 snoke being a pureblood sith but plagiarized the emperor concept insteads
I really loved the atmosphere of Exegol
Kind of Korriban-esque, yes.
With blue-and-dark theme, definitely my favourite
I think it's the other way around. Everything was controlled and developed on Exegol, then filtered down to the First Order. The Sith Trooper armor was probably developed first, then the mass production version was issued to the First Order Stormtroopers.
Old guard Imperials would have known and been the links. That and the navigators and droids for any ships running supplies to and from the system.
You’re delusional lmao, they just made it all up as they went along
@@XxiPoisonZxX If you mean the writing, sure - there was no cohesive plan. But in-universe, which is the only part I really care about, there would be a logical plan behind all of it. Not necessarily a good plan, but a plan nonetheless.
I suspect the First Order and Final Order weren't connected. I think the Imperial Remnants split off after the Battle of Jakku; some because one, the rest became the other.
Don't know why but I'm fascinated by Exogol. I wanna spend my next vacation there.
Me too!
Throw a little edgy music on and we already got some sweet natural strobe lights to keep the mood going. Instant party.
me too! so dark and creepy with lots of lightning!!
I'd probably guess that Snoke knew of Exegol and planned to tell Kylo when he grew to naturally usurp him, but that didn't happen because Kylo took his chance to kill Snoke in episode 8
Most likely true. After all, snoke was created in that planet, so while his time being the supreme leader, he helped organised the fleet and troopers
This does make sense just imagine the First Order and The Final Order Fleets combined into one nothing in the Galaxy would have been able to stop them.
@Grim Shade The First Order basically softened up the galaxy for the Final Order. The New Republic still did have some military forces that could have tried to oppose the Final Order.
Brandon Travis Rodriguez that is a clever tactic
@@ilikepigeons6101 It actually reminds me a lot about Vitiates plans in Legends. He used the Mandalorian War and First Jedi Purge to soften the galaxy up for his Sith Empire to invade. No one saw them coming and the Republic was practically helpless to stop them. Especially once they had so many allies backing them as well.
Do you think if/when the films start to delve into the Old Republic era, we will see Exegol in its prime?
I hope Sith Troopers are clones, it's not surprising that the First Order had a presence in Exegal seeing as it is where Snoke is from and that Snoke was just a skin suit that Sheev wore like a... ... sheath
But clones of what template?
@@marrqi7wini54 Fett, the best template
@@yseson_
But how many years has it been since he died? A lot. His DNA would have deteriorated to a largely unusable condition. Every clone but Kix is dead now. (Who is nowhere to be found.) Also, using clones to make clones leads to major defects. If they used clones, they'd need someone else.
@@marrqi7wini54 dude DNA lasts a long long time 521 years before it even begins to break down, and under ideal conditions it last for 6.8million years now pair that with Sith alchemy then you're good. You don't think Palps wouldn't keep some of that sweet sweet Fett boy Jedi killing machine DNA around?The Empire switched Storm Troopers to cut costs.
But even some of his royal guards remained Fett clones, and all of the Corusant shock trooper clones were cloned on Corusant in a secret facility. There's a very good chance Palpatine would save the best and most elite Storm Troopers for himself.
Exegol sure has a lot of strobe lights
Happy Life Day.
But really, Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas Alex and Mollie ! Can you please do the traditional "Planets of TROS" video ?
This reminds me of the Foundation series by Asimov, where there is the main Foundation and a secret Second Foundation that no one knows it’s existence, not even the members of the first Foundation. Maybe this is the case for the FO too.
I strongly asume so.👍
The sound design for the Exegol lightning is amongst my favourite in Star Wars, equal parts unnerving and uncomfortable (like nails on a chalk board), but also strangely musical.
The answer to that last, lingering question pertaining to the connections between the sith eternal personnel and the first order would be Snoke. Since Snoke was Palpatine's engineered puppet, it would stand to reason that Snoke was probably funneling the best first order personnel to exegol to become members of the sith fleet and sith trooper legions.
My dude......just come out and say it, the writers obviously made this up as they went along with little regard to existing canon or even common sense. Expect lots of comics with terrible and nonsensical explanations for all of this
I'm sort of surprised today isn't a video on the Star Wars: Holiday Special since it's Christmas. Merry Christmas by the way.
I wish the Visual Dictionary went in about Sith worlds like Exegol and the Palpatine family timeline. If it was excluded because of spoilers, then they should have released the book a week after release.
Is it me or does the story, location, power and scale of the Sith Eternal remind anyone of the Eternal Empire in Legends? Almost if Disney is kind of recognizing/acknowledging it but not quite taking the entire storyline, hence their way of having to bring it back entirely off the fans clamor for it?
It's also in the Unknown Regions
Except the Eternal Empire is a bad concept. Any "hidden civilization" in Star Wars is honestly kind of lazy and shouldn't exist. Chiss Ascendancy gets a pass because Thrawn is a very good book.
There are other worlds they may have traded with or conquered, though.
It annoys me to how were this massive fleet staffed. Are those crew on each star destroyer enlisted? Or are they just kidnapped children from the past?
Well one of the high command mentions that they will need to drastically increase recruitments. So to me, seems each ship only had a handful of people in them, but none were anywhere near full capacity.
In the Thrawn Trilogy, Thrawn was forced to use computers to control rudimentary functions because of personnel shortages. The device is in the new canon I believe so its very likely that most of the ships had just crew for the command bridge.
I think the Sith-Eternal, just like the First Order, took in little children and trained them into the Sith-troopers, pilots for the TIE-daggers and the bridge-crew of the Xyston-Star Destroyers. The First Order then filled up the remaining crews for the Star Destroyers (thanks to automation only 30.000 are needed for every Xyston).
This fillup is why the Supreme Council thinks they have to step up recruitment.
Jonas Brauer makes sense now. Thanks everyone
@@ilikepigeons6101 Your welcome ;)
Merry Christmas!!!
I don’t know if this is true or not, (I hope so) but I heard that there was a statue on Exegol that was wearing Darth Nhilius’s Mask. Canon now? 🤞
Not sure, but Revan is canon as one of the Sith trooper legion is named after him.
TomB1426 yeah I saw that, Tinabris (I don’t know the spelling) is canon too! So glad to finally get mention of Plaguius’s master
@@cooltriplets_2 Tenebrous and Plageius
So everybody got Plagueis's name wrong
Darth Sagit
Thank You for the Spelling correction 🙂👍
Happy Christmas to you both. Thanks for everything you do.
If Palpatine was alive all this time and snoke was his creation, from who was the voice that palpatine used to hear before his “death”
There was something calling him in the unknown regions my guess it was the dark side itself
Its very likely the essence of the Sith on this planet calling to Palpatine. Similar to how Obi Wan told Luke to go to Dagobah except more cryptic because the Sith don't really get ghosts in the same way.
All the past Sith that came before, that lived on in him once he got there, perhaps.
I was thinking maybe a ritual that the sith loyalist made
What happened to the rest of the other first order ships? weren't there alot of them?
They are scattered around the Galaxy and occupy worlds. At the end of TROS we see that the Galaxy begins to stand up to them (those aboth Bespin, Endor and Jakku are destroyed). I assume Generals Finn, Poe and Lando take the Fleet Lando assambled around the Galaxy and mop up the First Order.
Wonder if that ship at Endor got Holdo-ed?
@@chrissonofpear1384 I would asume so. It was the little easter-egg JJ needed to tie in Episode 8 too into the movie ;)
It's incredible how they used the old lore and added new one.
Yes, it seems that Pryde was in the know about the existence of both the planet and the emperor’s existence.
My biggest question is how on earth did they manage to build such a great fleet on such a barren planet like Exegol, in such a short period of time. And also how star destroyers can be built underground and emerge to the surface...
So I’ve got a fair idea about the aesthetic of the sith eternals troops and their look. Assuming they’re apart of a separate group of loyalists that were at exegol the whole time. I’m assuming their gears similarities came from Snoke feeding the technical achievements of the First Order back to the Sith Eternal, allowing them to keep pace with the rapid evolution of modern war fighting equipment (cos there are foundaries to my knowledge). As for how they got there. Yeah I’ve no clue
I think it's possible only pryde, hux's father and Ray Sloan new the truth about exogal. I think he puppeted snoke to give the first order which became their name. So the sith troopers were the originals and first order storm troopers were the design palps designed after his own sith troopers.
This is how I see it but I could be wrong:
1. Imperials lose at Jakku and flee to the unknown regions.
2. Palpatine starts construction of two separate fleets, kidnapping and indoctrinating children for both.
3. Two fleets are created at the same time: the first order and the final order. They are not aware of each other's existence.
4. When the fleets are ready, Palpatine sends out the first order fleet (with his puppet leader Snoke in charge) to weaken the Resistance and New Republic.
5. Once the Resistance is weakened, Palpatine planned to send out the final order to destroy most inhabited planets in the galaxy.
To me this makes the most sense. I wish the movie had explained it a little better and not rushed through everything so quickly.
@@Michael_ORourke This is exactly how I see it.
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You may not be able to answer my question: why Anakin didn’t disappear in the Return of the Jedi? I wonder why he didn’t disappear like Yoda or Luke or Kenobi.
King Darth dark lord plagues wise behide everything not palpatine by cloneing himself over over lord Vader father lives he behind everything cloneing himself over over
King Darth dark lord plagues wise one of his hidden spots Luke skywalker grandfather lives by cloneing himself over over
I just saw The Rise of Skywalker last night and it was good. I enjoyed it.
That being said, I do have a question that maybe you can answer.
Spoiler Alert: during the end of the movie, after the resistance destroyed the First Order the New Empire (whatever it's called) you see a Star Destroyer crashing down onto the planet of Jaku and on Bespin. Why didn't anyone notice this let alone do something about it?
Also, where was the New Republic during all of this?
What I don’t get is, how tf did THE EMPEROR hold up an entire fleet army but couldn’t destroy Rey who was standing right infront oof her
Would it not be cool if Motive studios were still on Battlefeont 2 and made a Starfighter Assault map for Exegol!
Gotta love the automatic subtitles. "Eggs a goal" 😂
The more Sith the merrier
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Mate it’s Christmas. Take the day off
"I hope the novelisation clears things up" isn't the best thing to hear :(
archlinuxrussian love DLC in my movies
Why not? A movie only needs to tell the core principles of the story. It has ALWAYS been this way with Star Wars. If you don't want to read the books, watch the shows, play the games, don't complain if you delve deep into the movie and get confused.
Jacob wrong sooooo wrong Star Wars books never had to explain the plots of the movies they always expanded on stories within the movies little things got expanded but never had they had to explain the plot...movies said empire build Death Star books expanded how that happened imagine if ESB didn’t say Vader is Luke’s father but a comic set between does it then ROTJ Luke asks Obi Wan hey is it true Vader is my dad the audience would be confused as hell Star Wars never did that before Disney
@@NeoakiraIV Yeah, they did. The plots stand fine on their own, the novelizations just clear up any unimportant unanswered questions. That's how it has ALWAYS been.
Jacob nope
Hey Alex!
How do you think Ben got to Exegol at the end with that old TIE fighter since it doesn’t have a hyperdrive? Probably JJ just wanted to see a classic X-wing and TIE next to each other, but the story group must have thought about how it could work. Also he didn’t have the wayfinder anymore and how did that TIE even survive in the wreckage of the second Death Star? 😀
Did anybody else notice while they were fighting on the command ship one of the sith troopers was hit with blaster fire and his armor took the hit and he kept fighting? I was like holy crap his armor actually work.
It was also mentioned that it was related to “the world between worlds”
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Who's gonna bet that we'll see more of Exogol in the TOR prequel.
@@Special_Agent_NSB It's totally gonna happen. The reason they didn't make TOR canon yet is that they want audience focus to be on the current era and they don't want to introduce a whole new era in canon in some books or one-shot comic.
If Palpatine made Snoke, he was running things from the shadows, so it would be easy for Snoke to provide the designs for FO troop and other gear.
The real question isn’t why how did Final Order get FO gear; it’s why did they base their “JJ needed a” super weapons on an up scaled version of the ISD instead of one of the newer improved star destroyer designs from the FO... or if they wanted the Imp aesthetic (cause JJ also needs nostalgia), at least base it on an ISD2... and actually make it bigger, don’t just use the same model, hot glue a gun to it and say it is 1.5 times bigger.
I'm guessing that there was a specific "need to know" list of mainstream First Order personnel who were aware of Exegol and everything on it.
Via Snoke, perhaps.
Darth Vader was the first to discover Exegol before Kylo Ren and Ray using the Sith Way-finder. Darth Noctyss and Darth Sanguis the ancient Sith Lords came to Exegol to seek immortality.
also curious about the relationship between the First Order and the Sith Fleet
I would guess that only Snoke knew about Exegol but hadn't told kylo ren because he wasn't exactly anticipating being cut in half. Like the first order wasn't quite ready for that stage yet but kylo ren becoming supreme leader threw things off course.
The reason why the First Order had some access to the Sith Troopers was because Allegiant General Pryde (Richard E. Grant) was a follower of Palpatine.
There were at least 100+ Star Destroyers with 40,000+ crew on each ship. That's 4 million right there that knew where Exegol was. So much for "secret" planet.
Merry Exegol!
Man I still really wish Ben defeated Palpatine
I have a serious question for star wars fans: were we too harsh on the sequels? Was all the hate justified, or did the movies accomplish more than dividing the community? Im not so much a defender but i do remember disliking and then slowly appreciating the prequels.
You know what could have been a cool artistic choice?
They could have had the statues look reminiscent of the appearance of characters from the Clone Wars. For example, a statue of Count Dooku would be a stone rendition of his Clone Wars appearance.
Exegol vs Moraband/Korriban
Which planet is better?
You know, if The Old Republic were to be brought back into canon, I can see Exegol fitting right in.
Exegol feels weird to say right? Malacore, Dathomir etc, good evil planet names that sound evil and nice when you say em. Exegol trips over in your mouth.
I think palpatine's original plan since the beginning is to form a Sith empire like it was during the Old Republic era. So he form the Empire and build Death star to announce the return of the Sith. But then Luke destroy the death star so he have to kill luke @ the last jedi. For the next 4 years he try to stop rebellion and Luke but get killed.
So when he return he create Snoke to form a new goverment and when his Sith fleet is ready he announce arrival of Sith to the entire Galaxy.
If it was next to impossible to make it to Exegol, how were there hundreds of Star Destroyers and tens of thousands of Final Order military there? Where were all the Star Destroyers built? Where did the raw materials for the star destroyers come from? Where did the personnel come from? Are they all clones? A project of that size would have a logistical footprint much larger than a remote and inaccessible planet. When the fleet first flash on the screen, I thought it was a vision. When I realized they were real, it shattered my immersion in the movie.
If Exegol ever shows up in any other Star Wars media it will be anything related to the Old Republic.
I like Hexagol, I just wish I could, you know, actually see any of it.
I don't think the Sith Trooper armor looks any more like the First Order gear than any other type of Trooper. I don't know what that comment is based on. So, I wouldn't say that is a reliable thread to pull on in terms of a connection between the First and Final Order.
I got Byss/ Dromund Kaas vibes from the planet
Hey man i know that this isnt star wars related but i do know you are also a hige indiana jones fan. I am telling you that you need to go back to the last crusade and listen to the music at 1 hour 40 minuets and 30 seconds until 1 hour 40 minutes and 40 seconds. You will here the trumpets play and it is the exact same thing as kylo rens theme
Oh sure use Dromund Kaas and give it a different name and make it a barren wasteland, but keep the storms. SMH
Since snoke helped the first order and Palpatine was snoke maybe he designed the first order uniforms and armor and then palpatine used the first order design as inspiration for the final order uniforms and armor
Did darth vader now about exogol, he had a wayfinder i his castle?
I'm starting to believe the red letter media theory that the palpatine we saw in the movie has been the original one the whole time and the Darth sidious was nothing more but the clone
So what of the chosen one...
@@chrissonofpear1384 what chosen one prophecy apparently was all bulshit anyway
Exegol is kind of similar to planet Helghan from Killzone series.
You should also mention the Sith actually polluted it to the way it is now and also it has a blue giant Star that probably has an unstable habitable zone
isnt exegol just malachor? I mean they are so identical.
Exegol was a planet? I thought it was a fortress lol
Abrams: only someone with a Sith wayfinder can find it.
Every fan: then who put or built all the ships and temple there?
Abrams:...
My only question about TRoS is: Why didn’t Disney/Lucasfilm give Episode IX to Rian Johnson and allow him the time to finish the saga rather than fast track JJ into this slapdash fankwank rush job?
You probably would've bitched and moaned even more so it's inevitable.
Nice Video :)
What I'm still confused about is if Sith Wayfinders were already in Palpatine and Vader's possession, why did they need explorers to seek out Exegol in the Aftermath novels? Was the way to Exegol already stored on the wayfinders, or did Palpatine put in the coordinates after his explorers located the planet?
Only force users can access the wayfinders and many in the Empire/First Order did not know of Exegols existence as it was kept secret.
@@TheLiamster I don't think so. The visual dictionary states that you just needed to hook it up to a ship, and it would guide you, like what we saw in the film. We also saw in the film that once the way is discovered, Wayfinders were no longer needed to get to Exegol, which is how the Resistance gets there.
We know the safe ROUTE was only found soon before Endor. The Wayfinders may have been found a little before then though, and the location known a bit longer.
I think Gallius Rax knew but he was killed in the battle of jakku.
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Maybe theres just a long way around to get to exegol?
Did the name "Exegol" come from a shortening of "Execute Order"? Because that's all I think when I hear it.
Where the L comes from?
Also why where all the ships under the ground
Maybe first order stormtrooper armour and ships derive from sith design. But only forgotten or kept secret? 🤷♂️
I call it a planet of emperors
Oh Moraban is also called Korriban ?
There was nothing in the VD that suggested to me anyone in the FO knew about Exegol prior to the Emperor's broadcast. What from it gave you that impression (not a criticism, just genuinely curious)?
Exegol the anti Ahch-to
I can only imagine Exegol will be explored a lot in any Disney Star Wars Old Republic works like novels/books, comics, video games and live-action Disney+ series mainly I think of it as a lost Sith Empire/Sith Order colony and in addition to being the birthplace of the Sith Eternal cult it also was where the ancient Sith would use it as a place to conduct rituals and meetings whenever say Korriban was not available to use.
How did the knife point to a broken bit of the Death Star where the Wayfinder was? So if the knife was made after the Death Star was destroyed, who made it and why? That bit made no sense to me whatsoever
I don't know who made it, but the translation of the description was really specific, mentioning the coordinates and a specific ridge to be standing on. It's super convenient and I don't know why the dagger was made, but at least the design behind it made sense to me.
Korriban: *Am I a joke to you?*
Did Kix fight in Exegol?
Cool cool cool, but how tf did palpatine survived
He didn't. He was resurrected on Exegol.
In ROTJ, Anakin successfully killed Palpatine. In between ROTJ and TROS, Sith Loyaltists from the Unknown Regions potentially brought him back to the planet Exogal, hoping to ressurect his life. In The Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine is clinging between life and death and nearly comes back to life once he drains Ben and Rey, but just like Mace Windu did, Rey sent the lightning back to him and he was put down once and for all(potentially).
Tarro it could be that Palpy had foreseen his defeat and included it in his 'design'
@Geekdom's Grandpa - What might I ask would they have brought back to do this resurrection?
All this sounds like a convoluted mess to try to justify Disney not planning anything. Then having to retcon their own story to make the third movie have an antagonist.
Tarro
Transferred his soul into a body produced on exogol
Would you be willing to do a video dissecting each Ahsoka sketch Dave Filoni has released post-Rebels? I'm interested in hearing your take on all of them.
Who is the pilot of Tie Dagger(Sith Tie Fighter) ?
Acar Ates Aykac i think they are similar to a droid fighter which relied for automations
Nobody knows. In the lego set, the pilots are just first order pilots.
@@jigolocana7492 Thank you. Maybe you are right about that because no leak for " sith pilot" costume or character. I think sith jet trooper use Tie Dagger. But I don't prove it.
Probably manned by the First Order after the Sith-fleet is discovered. Which would also explain why the Supreme Council of the First Order thinks they have to step up recruitment in TROS: They have to compensate the loss of troops they used to man the Sith-fleet.
Jonas Brauer true. But why do they seem so surprised of the discovery of that fleet?