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How SUICIDAL TENDENCIES changed punk forever (gang members to MTV)

  • Опубліковано 7 гру 2023
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    Find out how Suicidal Tendencies & Mike Muir changed punk rock with songs like "Institutionalized," "You Can't Bring Me Down," Tony Hawk Pro Skater and their Venice aesthetic.
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    0:00 Intro
    1:19 Early years of Suicidal Tendencies
    7:40 "Join The Army," crossover & "Lights Camera Revolution"
    11:18 Suicidal's influence on music and pop culture
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  • @ThePunkRockMBA
    @ThePunkRockMBA  4 місяці тому +52

    Follow me on Instagram: instagram.com/finnmckenty

    • @nemiloszorka1162
      @nemiloszorka1162 4 місяці тому +4

      Your videos are great, but I wonder why you never cover punk in Europe. I think it is a bit different than in USA, since many of us punks in Europe have members of families that were fighting in wars, in revolutions, that were slaughterd in concentration camps in WW 2 etc. Punk has much different flavour in Europe, than USA. It is much more a social and political movement than just a fashion. Check out France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Yugoslavia...
      Thank you for doing the great work❤

    • @hrafnafreyjax4106
      @hrafnafreyjax4106 4 місяці тому +3

      Hej Finn, thank you for setteling a debate amongst some frmr 12:58 members both North aen South on the topic of "Suicidals". 💯 stay up hon

    • @jamesmcnamara7484
      @jamesmcnamara7484 4 місяці тому +2

      I remember in the 80’s we called metal heads “hessians” or “buttrockers” sometimes…though I loved thrash and some metal too. There was so much good music coming from all these places. It was the heyday of gangster culture, so music was naturally niched into its own click.

    • @stephenhouse5129
      @stephenhouse5129 4 місяці тому +3

      Great video! Except for the terrible band you plugged. Seriously that is a joke. ST followed by that?

    • @Jeremya74
      @Jeremya74 4 місяці тому +1

      It was one of the top 5 bands we(skaters) listened to in the mid to late 80's...in Florida

  • @traviesoarcefan3063
    @traviesoarcefan3063 3 місяці тому +130

    A true story for ST fans: Many years ago my brother-in-law Ernie the HUGE ST fan was struck down with a blood clot in his brain and was found by his daughter passed out on the floor. Soon, medical aid arrived and took him to the hospital. Ernie survived but with severe mental and physical effects. His full recovery took over two years. During his darkest days of recovery a friend wrote to ST and told them about Ernie's situation and what a big fan he was. A few weeks later a box arrived for Ernie with a personal note from the band members and hats and shirts and everything you can think of. Yet another reason to love those guys!

    • @MarkytheCat73
      @MarkytheCat73 Місяць тому +4

      I believe it. They seem genuine. That’s a great story. Thank you for posting.

    • @oystershucksters4206
      @oystershucksters4206 7 днів тому +1

      I second what Marky said.

  • @SavvyNitro
    @SavvyNitro 4 місяці тому +112

    my mom was a skater in the 80’s so i grew up listening to her cassettes of Suicidal tendencies, Black Flag, Circle Jerks and MOD. ST was definitely my favorite!

    • @vyoletrose3218
      @vyoletrose3218 2 місяці тому +16

      Your mom sounds cool as hell

    • @tonyk1406
      @tonyk1406 2 місяці тому +4

      Captain Crunch, Captain Crunch, How I like to munch and munch....lol

    • @rollotomassi4768
      @rollotomassi4768 2 місяці тому +4

      You mom is/was badass

    • @_weighed8302
      @_weighed8302 2 місяці тому +3

      i saw your mommy 😁

    • @kosher8720
      @kosher8720 Місяць тому

      He’s inviting you to lunch!

  • @82nddave38
    @82nddave38 4 місяці тому +111

    Mike's lyrics got me through some tough times as a teenager. I will always be grateful for lights, camera, revolution.

    • @robertdavis5495
      @robertdavis5495 4 місяці тому +3

      Right there with you bro

    • @magamaga1827
      @magamaga1827 4 місяці тому +3

      Same here. Got kicked out of high school in 10th grade. "How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today" was huge to me as a disgruntled teen at the time.

    • @82nddave38
      @82nddave38 4 місяці тому +1

      @@magamaga1827 the heavy emotion version is one of my favorite songs

    • @anneyaquechavez3264
      @anneyaquechavez3264 4 місяці тому


    • @hekstoo5988
      @hekstoo5988 3 місяці тому +3

      His voice too, it's one of a kind and it just pierces through you.

  • @armchairgravy8224
    @armchairgravy8224 4 місяці тому +103

    ST's debut album was just a beast of speed and noise and black humor. Incredibly under rated band.

    • @PavlovSkriniskalov
      @PavlovSkriniskalov 2 місяці тому +1

      Wasn't it though! I loved that album!! Wait, was that lights, camera, revolution??

    • @armchairgravy8224
      @armchairgravy8224 2 місяці тому +1

      @@PavlovSkriniskalov The self-titled debut (1983).

  • @ewoksalot
    @ewoksalot 4 місяці тому +59

    ST was one of the very first bands I listened to and realized I wasn't alone in the depths of my anger and despair. Sure, some of their songs felt fun and upbeat, but I knew from the other darker lyrics and tones that they were authentic and I could - for the first time - relate to somebody.
    Those early albums were a bridge to the rest of the world for me.

    • @GP-hj1ft
      @GP-hj1ft 4 місяці тому +1

      Same. Very well said.

  • @nman2
    @nman2 4 місяці тому +26

    There’s nothing like that first ST album. I’m still searching for the high I got listening to it for the first time. Took me on a journey. I never heard punk with that level of musicianship before. The solo in Two Sided Politics for example blows me away every time. Too punk to be metal, too metal to be punk… whatever it is it’s a masterpiece

    • @klyoo2146
      @klyoo2146 4 місяці тому +2

      Thats crossover. Probably the best crossover album and band. Only ones that came close were D.R.I, a good band, but even they fell short. Early ST was just something else.

    • @hekstoo5988
      @hekstoo5988 3 місяці тому +1

      That album is amazing, every song hits hard. Memories Of Tomorrow, Subliminal, Fascist Pig and Won't Fall In Love Today are my favorites

    • @davidpack4867
      @davidpack4867 3 години тому

      I loved DRI. I listened to a lot of Exploited too which became kinda metal. Excel wasn't bad either.

  • @tonytoofast
    @tonytoofast 4 місяці тому +1895

    All he wanted was a Pepsi.

  • @todddavis4274
    @todddavis4274 4 місяці тому +17

    A badass band. One of a kind. Mike Clark and Rocky George were unreal guitarists. Lyrics were true to life. All songs were different and it'll always be ST!

  • @ThrobbingChomboni
    @ThrobbingChomboni 4 місяці тому +28

    Suicidal was so influential and Institutionalized was some of the first sounds of the new emerging Punk/Hardcore sound coming out at the time. Growing up in an area where Chicano/ LowRider culture was huge---- Suicidal made so much sense to me. Absolutely seminal band that doesn't get all the credit they rightfully deserve

  • @humbertojimmy
    @humbertojimmy 3 місяці тому +11

    I really love this band. I'm not sure we can call it "the band that linked metal and punk", since there were others who explored that idea before (like Motorhead) but they sure brought that union alive at their gigs more than anyone else.

    • @jessiemartinez3056
      @jessiemartinez3056 3 місяці тому +1

      And don't forget about Death from Detroit since around 75 76 man.

  • @davechambers-media2599
    @davechambers-media2599 4 місяці тому +23

    They were the first band outside of mainstream to understand not only the power of a brand but how to do it. They created a blueprint that the majority of DIY bands now follow. They have had so many different band members however the brand is still the same, their albums differ but the Suicidal name remains strong.

  • @siener
    @siener 3 місяці тому +10

    I saw Suicidal Tendencies live in 2007 and I loved it. A middle aged Mike Muir still had that same raw teenage anger and rebelliousness. Really awesome.

  • @jeffersonhouse94
    @jeffersonhouse94 4 місяці тому +477

    One thing about Suicidal Tendencies people overlook is their ability to connect lyrically with their fans. ST got me through a lot of dark times when I was younger. I'm not sure I'd be where I am today without those songs.

    • @haleighhellfire321
      @haleighhellfire321 4 місяці тому +1

      Can we know the songs specifically? I'm curious.

    • @ddcraun
      @ddcraun 4 місяці тому +21

      ​@@haleighhellfire321honestly....just pick one. There is so much insight lyrically into so many different mental health issues, whether Mike personally dealt with them or he just happened to observe them happening to folks around him, that they can't be ignored. Many can identify with these feelings and issues. He also spends a great deal of time delving into the power of positive thinking, recognizing hypocrisy, using independent critical thought to change personal outcomes, and finding community in a diverse group of friends who become family. Here I am, 48 years old, and a band I discovered as a disenfranchised, disaffected skater kid with a love of aggressive music STILL loving their records.

    • @rudypeterson4514
      @rudypeterson4514 4 місяці тому +9

      Gotta Kill Captain Stupid while by no means one of my favourite songs by S.T really planted a seed in my mind. Having this cool rock band telling an impressionable kid that all that dumb shit, getting drunk, doing drugs etc… was in fact,… NOT COOL was a great message that set in.

    • @Elstupidor
      @Elstupidor 4 місяці тому +11

      @@haleighhellfire321If I Don’t Wake Up is a good song for reference. But all their songs really do have some sort of message in them and I do appreciate that this band was more about self improvement rather than destruction.

    • @Rollermonkey1
      @Rollermonkey1 4 місяці тому +14

      @@haleighhellfire321 The album How Will I laugh Tomorrow... is a big one personally. It does a great job of realistically describing and addressing depression without pandering. It also works its way through a whole lot of darkness to an uplifting recovery without feeling like schlocky bullshit, and without lying or pretending that the darkness could never come back. I don't think Mike Muir ever described it as a concept album, but it's definitely got a theme throughout.

  • @prongATO
    @prongATO 4 місяці тому +10

    Mike’s lyrics are incredibly philosophically deep. ST helped me navigate my way through the teenage years as kind of the “soundtrack” to my life, at the time.

    • @silencedones4421
      @silencedones4421 Місяць тому +1

      Ditto... They were judged by their name when their music was ANTI suicide for those who struggled with a suicidal life.

  • @davidjean6753
    @davidjean6753 4 місяці тому +9

    One of the most underrated/unappreciated bands of all time.
    I myself in highschool and shortly after dressed like that. Graduated in 2000.
    I was introduced to Suicidal Tendencies by older brother in the late 80's and early 90's. I never really saw pictures or videos of the band. So I didn't know how they dressed. But I picked up on the style in the late 90's through music like Korn, Sepultura, Limp Biscuit, Deftones, and so on. It's cool to see who pioneered it. Much respect!!

  • @eldiablo3794
    @eldiablo3794 3 місяці тому +8

    I feel like when Rocky George joined the band he took them to the next level with his guitar shredding skills and took them into the direction of crossing over into thrash. My dad turned me on to S-T around the same time I was learning guitar, and Rocky's solos are epic and were a huge influence on me because at the time I was solely into punk rock power chord playing mindset. Very underrated guitarist imo.

  • @clarkconstantine9440
    @clarkconstantine9440 4 місяці тому +4

    I was in the suicidal tendencies when I was 15 years old as a skater when I first got into the punk scene before I started playing in bands. Their songs were anthems to us. Still are. Years later when I was working security at this place called The Ritz theater in Tampa has security at the dressing rooms.. infectious grooves came and that's when I met Robert Trujillo... And Mike was there... My heroes were standing right next to me!!! One of the coolest moments of my entire life!!

  • @facerip2222
    @facerip2222 3 місяці тому +16

    You didn't mention this, but their guitar player was the first time I ever saw a 7-string Ibanez guitar, in their video for "You Can't Bring Me Down". And then a few years later, every band from Korn and Limp Bizkit to the Deftones were using them as standard. I love that crunchy 7-string guitar sound.

  • @lenz138
    @lenz138 4 місяці тому +407

    Rocky George is a beast of a guitar player and is so underrated it’s a crime. Love Suicidal!

    • @danntheunknown7639
      @danntheunknown7639 4 місяці тому +8

      Hell yes!!!! He was one of my biggest influences especially back in his ST days

    • @SethHMG
      @SethHMG 4 місяці тому +19

      “Tell them what’s up, Rocky!”

    • @travisspaulding2222
      @travisspaulding2222 4 місяці тому +17

      I own 4 Ibanez RG guitars, and for the longest time, I thought RG stood for Rocky George, lol. That's basically all he would play back in the day.

    • @hogie1259
      @hogie1259 4 місяці тому +10

      His work with Cro-mags is underrated as well. Dude can f’n play.

    • @austinsquires-zk1lf
      @austinsquires-zk1lf 4 місяці тому +6

      100%. His shreds are timeless.

  • @mattdixon6396
    @mattdixon6396 4 місяці тому +5

    I remember the first time I saw them after being a huge fan for many years. They toured in support of Alice in Chains for the Dirt album.
    Any band that can open with You can’t bring me down and keep up the energy and power for the entire set is dooming the headliner to a miserable situation which is what happened.
    I’ve seen them on every tour since and been consistently blown away. Ive been luck enough to have met the classic line up and they were very kind and gracious with their time with photos and autographs etc.
    Criminally underrated band!

    • @chrhadden
      @chrhadden 4 місяці тому

      lmao rocked the house all the way out and wore the crowd down for the main act.if that isnt an accolade i dont know what is.

  • @manny75586
    @manny75586 4 місяці тому +6

    I'm old enough to remember that 1st album coming out. They were very unique. I never saw a band that openly embraced the street gang aesthetic and lifestyle quite like them. Definitely had not seen the cholo vibe in music.
    Great band.

  • @candideggplant1575
    @candideggplant1575 4 місяці тому +6

    I wouldn't say they are my favorite band but they definitely deserve their spot in the hardcore hall of fame.
    Just looking at Mike, he definitely has that whole old school east LA cholo look.
    Keep on doing ur thing Finn

  • @elosoguapo8137
    @elosoguapo8137 4 місяці тому +8

    Suicidal was one of my favorite bands as a kid. I was from an upper middle class family from the burbs, but could 100% relate to what they were doing. If you were like me or a straight cholo it was appealing and that’s powerful. Like Finn said, what couldn’t he denied was the talent in this band. Rocky George in particular is an absolute monster.

  • @tzt1182
    @tzt1182 2 місяці тому +2

    I saw them a few times back in the old days. My favorite was when Muir's side project, Infectious Grooves, opened the show. Incredible rocking show. "For this infectaphibian thing, man"

  • @duanenash9474
    @duanenash9474 4 місяці тому +138

    Also Mike wrote really emotional, vulnerable, introspective lyrics that he got away with, imo, cuz of the tough guy aesthetics. So first emo band as well.

    • @chrhadden
      @chrhadden 4 місяці тому +6

      oh shit your right

    • @GP-hj1ft
      @GP-hj1ft 4 місяці тому +4

      That's a great point. I never saw it that way.

    • @annna6553
      @annna6553 4 місяці тому +2

      S.t. people would get brutally beaten up by the oc punks back in the day. Was no contest

    • @bigmoon1698
      @bigmoon1698 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@annna6553LMPs had Mike dead to rights according to the book but let him slide by just knocking him out

    • @annna6553
      @annna6553 4 місяці тому

      @@bigmoon1698 Nothing surprises me.

  • @whosdamastah
    @whosdamastah 4 місяці тому +3

    I'm almost 50 years old. Been listening to Suicidal since 84. Suicidal stood out amongst a lot of other bands back then because of their musicianship and song writing. Rocky was like a thrash version of Hendrix and was still underrated. Mike's vocals were smooth complimented the band instead of shouting over them.. one of the first bands I can remember that let you appreciate all the members talents. He did the same with Infectious Grooves..ST is one of the greatest bands of all time, man. No comparison

    • @magamaga1827
      @magamaga1827 4 місяці тому +1

      I'm 51. Got the first album in summer of 86. Blasted it all night long so as to annoy my neighbors. They told my parents that I was crazy and that " I wanted to shoot Ronald Reagan." Lol

  • @jfiery
    @jfiery 4 місяці тому +3

    As a kid from Maryland Suicidal Tendencies was my gateway drug to punk rock in the late 80s. Which then opened me up to the DC Punk and hardcore scene. It was a good time to be young.

  • @frodo6058
    @frodo6058 4 місяці тому +4

    I’ve always been partial to the Lights Camera Action album, one of my favorite albums ever produced, I’m 54 and I listen to it still to this day. The other albums are great, but this album was just a little more polished, and the guitar work is absolutely brilliant

    • @hekstoo5988
      @hekstoo5988 3 місяці тому +3


    • @frodo6058
      @frodo6058 3 місяці тому +2

      @@hekstoo5988 Zero clue who you are, but you fucking rock, and “DON’T BE EATING FRUIT LOOPS ON MY FRONT PORCH!!!”

    • @hekstoo5988
      @hekstoo5988 3 місяці тому +1

      @@frodo6058 🤣🤣🤣

  • @adampeterson8820
    @adampeterson8820 4 місяці тому +3

    Their contribution to culture and history is one of the most under appreciated in music. They united a bunch of scenes, accepted most cultures (no nazi kooks) and were persecuted and censored from day 1. Did it anyway. No crying no BS. Just did the thing. I miss the 80’s. Hard life for kids but we were actually almost free and they helped to free our minds.

  • @777dbcoonassmetal6
    @777dbcoonassmetal6 4 місяці тому +4

    I love all their tunes, makes my blood boil. I was there when it all started! Rocky is one of the best ever!

  • @hunterdavis3003
    @hunterdavis3003 4 місяці тому +295

    I’ll never forget how my mom FREAKED OUT when she found a suicidal tendencies album that I had borrowed in 1987 (I was in the eighth grade) She wouldn’t let me keep it in the house and made me set it on the front porch. my friend came over the next day, understandably perturbed because his album was covered in pollen. She thought because I had the record I was literally suicidal?!?

    • @lucasglowacki4683
      @lucasglowacki4683 4 місяці тому +26

      That was at the same time as the Judas Priest and Ozzy “kid suicide” panic and lawsuits…the media had parents petrified😂

    • @HappinessDIY
      @HappinessDIY 4 місяці тому +41

      My mom was even crazier. She assumed anything not pop music meant you were both gay and satanic. I wish I was kidding. I needed years of therapy because of her.

    • @demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929
      @demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929 4 місяці тому +12

      Yes that 80s satanic panic was so fun wasn't it? A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace

    • @HappinessDIY
      @HappinessDIY 4 місяці тому +2

      @@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929n high school I wanted to start a band called satanic panic and capitalize off of the joke with over the top satanic joke music. It was going to be a cross between gwar and manic Hispanic.

    • @Boywhocriedrainbow
      @Boywhocriedrainbow 4 місяці тому +1

      @@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929 damn now I know who took my shirts lol

  • @gregoryhuffman3071
    @gregoryhuffman3071 4 місяці тому +2

    I'll never forget my first time hearing the debut album. I was literally shocked and appalled! In my defense, I was about 13. By 18, I was playing thrash metal drums. I mean it really cracked open my mind to what the fringes of music (at the time) could sound like. I think it was the summer of '85.

  • @AwesomeApril666
    @AwesomeApril666 4 місяці тому +4

    i love that you're having independent/ up and coming bands sponsor your videos. Stays true to your roots and i dig that

  • @jasonmast1982
    @jasonmast1982 3 місяці тому +3

    I Heard of these guys in 1986 when i was 13 years old,they were the first punk Album i Owned and it was a life changing moment . I would not be who i am today without their first album.

  • @dannorris642
    @dannorris642 4 місяці тому +4

    Awesome! Glad you mentioned their ear for musical talent. They've had quite the talented cats play for them, even more so in the last 10 years with more jazz/fusion related players like Thundercat, Eric Moore, and Thomas Pridgen. Their current drummer is Greyson Nekrutman who came up playing big-band and making instagram videos.

  • @robschultz9677
    @robschultz9677 4 місяці тому +3

    So pioneering and so groundbreaking in many, many ways. Great band and definitely a key player in the evolution of metal overall.

  • @andrewstableford9781
    @andrewstableford9781 4 місяці тому +119

    I was the rock/metal kid who discovered punk and hip hop as a freshman in high school in ‘85. Most kids couldn’t understand why I loved all of it and I couldn’t really explain. That first Suicidal album brought it all together for me.

    • @andrewstableford9781
      @andrewstableford9781 4 місяці тому +2

      @@ghost_mall Agreed. My metal friends made fun of me for listening to punk and my punk friends made fun of me for listening to metal. They all hated hip hop. That first ST album fused punk and metal and they brought the street/gang culture into the fold. As semi sheltered white kid I fell in love.

    • @jlobiafra
      @jlobiafra 4 місяці тому +1

      Again the song Join the Army was the first hybrid metal/rap song I've ever heard. At least three years before public enemy and anthrax

    • @chrhadden
      @chrhadden 4 місяці тому

      i bet they have ST tshirts they bought from amazon now lying about how much they loved it back then. i see that a lot these days and people dont know one song.

    • @andrewstableford9781
      @andrewstableford9781 4 місяці тому

      @@chrhadden I feel you fam but I’m too old to hate on posers. Besides it’s free advertising for the artists.

    • @13JDOG666
      @13JDOG666 4 місяці тому

      First album is the one. Not too into their later shit, but that self titled is IT. Join The Army is pretty dope too. Before the Mike Clark influence took over. They kinda lost me after How Will I Laugh Tomorrow.

  • @casz7098
    @casz7098 3 місяці тому +3

    I saw Suicidal at a small venue in Tokyo about 5-10 years ago. They were amazing. They played perfectly. They're old masters now.

  • @Deetroiter
    @Deetroiter 3 місяці тому +4

    The band that was too gangster for punks and too punk for gangsters! Rocky is a killer guitarist and definitely doesn’t get the credit he deserves!

  • @scottmiller260
    @scottmiller260 3 місяці тому +2

    I bought their first album in 1985 and it is still one of my all-time favorites. ST shows go off!

  • @tiekbane
    @tiekbane 3 місяці тому +2

    There first album is where I first heard what I'd always wanted to hear in punk music: blistering fast guitar solos. Grant Estes was a phenom. He could match the speed of the song with lightning fast double picking & hammer ons & anybody who says they were the harbinger to speed metal is right on.

  • @korndogz69
    @korndogz69 4 місяці тому +142

    I was a skater in the 80s, and Suicidal Tendencies was always on blast in my backyard while we were riding my halfpipe. Anything fast and energetic was what we listened to, and ST provided some of the best songs to skate to!

    • @smelltheglove2038
      @smelltheglove2038 4 місяці тому +3

      I was a skater/surfer in the late 80s, still am to this day. Got say, I was only 10 in 88. My older cousin was super into it, and so I wanted to be. He grew out of it, and I didn’t. I always loved Suicidal based on the skate connection.

    • @vanhattfield8292
      @vanhattfield8292 4 місяці тому +3

      Same.. The Descendants and Minor Threat were two other bands that we rocked often.

    • @13JDOG666
      @13JDOG666 4 місяці тому +11

      Agent Orange. Their music was fucking designed to skate to. But Suicidal was up there too. JFA. Agression. Boneless Ones. RKL. Gang Green. MDC. Shit, we even skated to the B52's sometimes. Some of the best days of my life.

    • @gundolarry
      @gundolarry 4 місяці тому +4

      @@13JDOG666 Agent Orange always on the 1/2 pipe playlist

    • @13JDOG666
      @13JDOG666 4 місяці тому +1

      @@gundolarry Mandatory😉

  • @BongEyedBastard
    @BongEyedBastard Місяць тому +1

    The Art of Rebellion and Suicidal For Life are both amazing albums.

  • @skalitstudio2208
    @skalitstudio2208 4 місяці тому +2

    let’s not forget that Thundercat was playing in Suicidal way before his solo stuff. Mike really has an eye for talent.

    @1COMIXMAN 4 місяці тому +3

    I grew up in the 70s and 80s in San diego and was heavy into the hard core punk scene. Ive been to a suicidal show band before they got real famous and man was it really wild.

  • @acb9896
    @acb9896 4 місяці тому +4

    In North County early 80's at Vista High there was about 9 legit dirthead, greentooth metal dudes. And maybe the same in Hardcore dudes. They all hung out together and partied harder than anyone I knew. Their parties were always outside and shitty beer, ugly chicks but I was jealous at how so many different dudes could just hang. I couldnt make it as a punker.

    • @pariahthistledowne3934
      @pariahthistledowne3934 4 місяці тому

      I grew up East of there too, lol...now a Permaculture Farmer in West Arkansas! OkieDogs, lol!

  • @user-uw1bz5oc9n
    @user-uw1bz5oc9n 3 місяці тому +2

    That 1st Suicidal record was all-time: it shocked adults, every song ripped, and it had "I Saw Your Mommy, " the song you heard about before you ever listened to the actual album.

  • @randywissler9923
    @randywissler9923 4 місяці тому +117

    It truly is a damn shame that Rocky George doesn't get the love that he should!!!🤘🤘🤘

    • @chrhadden
      @chrhadden 4 місяці тому

      whats rocky george a spin off?

    • @randywissler9923
      @randywissler9923 4 місяці тому +7

      @@chrhadden only the best guitarist ST ever had! And one of the best guitarists from the 80's!!

    • @chrhadden
      @chrhadden 4 місяці тому +1

      @@randywissler9923 yeah i looked him up.i should have known that. i might be missing a few brain cells after thirty or so years of beer.

    • @jeremylambden2284
      @jeremylambden2284 4 місяці тому +1

      @@randywissler9923 yes totally agree. Unique

    • @annna6553
      @annna6553 4 місяці тому

      Rocky didn't come up with the guitar parts of their big.songs. s.t.s earlier guitar players who were white did that

  • @friendly__drone9352
    @friendly__drone9352 2 місяці тому +1

    These kinds of videos are so underrated! Such a cool way of combining music history with social commentary, history and pop culture!

  • @Geezah1
    @Geezah1 4 місяці тому +2

    When I started skating in the UK in the late 80s, I was drawn towards Suicidal Tendencies, then Excel, Beowulf and No Mercy, but had to get them as a special import on vinyl.

  • @dannygunns7831
    @dannygunns7831 4 місяці тому +6

    great content here. my mom and uncles grew up in venice and my mom was in V13. all this culture was then passed down to me and why i still rock dickies and high socks to this day haha

  • @bernardocoto8519
    @bernardocoto8519 4 місяці тому

    Heard it in the late 80s early 90s and had a deep impact on my musical taste. Grew on a high school where you were a metalhead or you were out, so listening to their rapped lyrics with all that teenage angst I was feeling on my own were a great relief. Few people in my neighborhood were into them as they were too extreme at that time, but that didn't stop me to become a secret fan of them and enjoying their music on my own. Good times

  • @dougmuravez
    @dougmuravez 3 місяці тому +10

    Their first album came out when I was in high school in California. We then moved to Oregon in 1983. People were still wearing bell bottoms there. My sister and I were the only kids listening to them, or any punk rock at all, at our high school. Suicidal Tendencies, Minor Threat, Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys, and many, many other bands were on my Sony Walkman. We were lucky to live near the University of Oregon which attracted a good number of punk rock fans and was able to support nearby record stores carrying punk albums. A punk scene coming from another high school gave additional support for the genre. Fast forward to the mid 2010's, and I went to a town on the Oregon Coast on business. People were still wearing bell bottoms and mullets and the radio stations played 70's and 80's commercial rock. Such a waste. This is why you don't do meth.

  • @JohnEvans-xg2bp
    @JohnEvans-xg2bp 4 місяці тому +75

    Without Suicidal Tendencies, we wouldn't have the cultural fusion of the hardcore, death metal, and thrash scene today going on. Bands like Drain, 200 Stab Wounds, Judiciary, Frozen Soul, Enforced, Sanguisugabogg, Harm's Way, Code Orange...and the fact all these bands tour together and embrace each other's music. Even OG's like RATM owe a nod.

    • @annna6553
      @annna6553 4 місяці тому +7

      Disagree. There were bands like the middle class. Discharge, tsol and others way earlier

    • @colico14
      @colico14 3 місяці тому

      @@annna6553 Well, you're just wrong.

    • @johnnyssik
      @johnnyssik 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@colico14 actually he nailed it..

  • @xhameed5916
    @xhameed5916 4 місяці тому +1

    So glad that Finn talked about the crossover era. I lived it. This is when my metalhead friends began to understand why I liked punk so much… and everybody loved trash

  • @LordZolric
    @LordZolric 4 місяці тому +2

    I'll always love and respect Suicidal Tendencies, hell I still wear the bandana, blue and black. I remember I use to try and get it to look just like how Mike Muir had his when I was a teenager. Also the whole cholo look was awesome, except for the high socks... Just wasn't my thing but respect to who could pull it off. 🤘🏻

  • @jenaroayala5731
    @jenaroayala5731 4 місяці тому +81

    Damn finally someone giving Chicanos the actual credit we deserve for some aspect of pop culture in the world.

    • @magamaga1827
      @magamaga1827 4 місяці тому +8

      Yea it was weird to us here in NYC. We could never figure out where ST got their look. We thought it was cool though.

    • @s7olivas
      @s7olivas 4 місяці тому +1


    • @rubios996
      @rubios996 4 місяці тому +3

      Mexicanos don't need any credit.

    • @rickyretardo6367
      @rickyretardo6367 4 місяці тому +3

      @@rubios996 He said Chicanos.

    • @gdp49
      @gdp49 4 місяці тому +5

      No disrespect to the Chicanos, but they weren't the only ones dressing like that. I grew up in South LA and the Cholos and the Brothers dressed like that all the time. It's still the way I dress sometimes.

  • @bmjv77
    @bmjv77 4 місяці тому +1

    I'll go as far as to say that Mike Muir is one of the top five lyricists in any rock genre, ever.

  • @ericsyre9418
    @ericsyre9418 4 місяці тому +1

    Suicidal Tendencies also brought in some kind of self-motivational, positive attitude on life in their lyrics and very few Metal bands did that at the time.

  • @youthfulcurmudgeon3627
    @youthfulcurmudgeon3627 4 місяці тому +71

    Institutionalized is still one of the greatest songs of the 80s.

    • @faustozone
      @faustozone 4 місяці тому +2

      @@ghost_mall I'm from the 90s and always thought that song was from the 90s, very surprised to learn it's from '83 !

    • @ikillmelol6969
      @ikillmelol6969 4 місяці тому

      I didn't like the punk stuff just the Thrash.

    • @chrhadden
      @chrhadden 4 місяці тому

      all you have to do is count the remakes and al yancovich type parodies. ice t even knows the words to that song

    • @annna6553
      @annna6553 4 місяці тому

      The songs guitar parts written by previous s.t. guitarists. Not rocky george

  • @happycowfromcali
    @happycowfromcali 4 місяці тому +2

    Suicidal Tendencies are HARD!!! I have been a fan since 89. They are the most punk rock hard band ever. Despite LAPD efforts they are still around

  • @MarthMain
    @MarthMain 3 місяці тому +1

    I’ve always loved this band. They never get the love they deserve

  • @cmfranklin1079
    @cmfranklin1079 4 місяці тому +1

    I was 14 when that first album came out. I'm pretty sure I listened to it around 1,000 times or so during the rest of my teens.

  • @drunkingham138
    @drunkingham138 4 місяці тому +1

    Their first record, as well as 'Kill 'Em All' were total game changers for me in 1983.

    @TRAUMABINLADEN 3 місяці тому +1

    Killer Band.. I was into stuff like this as a kid because of mtv and stuff.. I discovered Napalm Death because I thought the name was cool.. Scum changed my life.. got the Dystopia record the same way.. I guess I assumed it would be like indie hip hop or some shit because of the graffiti logo lol... that first track holy shit.. still one of my favorite records all these years later

  • @stevegaspar
    @stevegaspar 4 місяці тому +25

    Rocky George is a legit amazing guitarist. Many of those riffs and solo's he did with ST are incredible. A personal fav riff of mine (probably because it was one of the first riffs I learned) was from the song waking the dead

    • @toddsmods.623
      @toddsmods.623 4 місяці тому +3

      Never gets his due. My favorite and imo the best lead player out of that era's thrash players.

    • @rickg8015
      @rickg8015 4 місяці тому +3

      Rocky and Dr. Know are influential..

    • @Robostomp
      @Robostomp 4 місяці тому +7

      Agreed on Rocky George, his style and approach were unique, but let's not forget Mike Clark who was a badass riff machine since 1988 for more than two decades. And Waking the Dead is originally from No Mercy's "Widespread Bloodshed" album that featured Muir on vocals and Clark only on guitar. When No Mercy disbanded _Brother Clark_ was offered to join ST and this actually transformed the band overall sound to the 80's thrash metal with hardcore punk base. "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow" is a perfect example of how Mike and Rocky complemented each other for good six-seven years.

    • @stevegaspar
      @stevegaspar 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Robostomp I didn't know that! Good to know some history to some of those songs.

    • @danntheunknown7639
      @danntheunknown7639 4 місяці тому

      @@rickg8015 Dr. Know is WAY underrated as well as Bad Brains. Would love if Rocky & Dr. Know did a band together as their lead styles are quite different from one another but their band's music are similar enough they could come up with some killer songs

  • @SuperStrik9
    @SuperStrik9 День тому

    Awesome band. Lights Camera Revolution is a great album and my favorite by the band. Love Rocky George guitar playing. That guitar solo on You Can't Bring Me Down shreds. It's also a great song overall with a great message.

  • @jetdr
    @jetdr 4 місяці тому +1

    D.R.I, Agnostic Front and Sick of it all were some of the best bands! Loved the NYHC music scene

  • @ericgorman9942
    @ericgorman9942 4 місяці тому

    A friend of mine played me the album "Join The Army," which was new at the time. I was instantly hooked, and I've been a fan of them ever since. From Punk to thrash, and back to Punk, they just had the right energy for me. Later on, I damn near freaked out the first time I heard Muir's band, No Mercy." Legends, man...Legends. The invention of "Crossover" was such a great period. For me, those bands and their shows were perfect.

  • @phillipboisselle293
    @phillipboisselle293 4 місяці тому +1

    Awesome video Finn! I grew up in the mind 00's in a part of Rural OR outside of Portland and the last few years of HS I spent hanging out with rockers who were in bands and into bands like ST. I've loved their music ever since than, but this video was a huge eye opener on their influences impact and legacy. I've also been watching the shit out of the movies and documentary's about the Zephyr skate team, since they've been free on youtube these last few weeks so it was super cool to see those connections. Once again thanks for the great video!!

  • @Mrdorf14
    @Mrdorf14 4 місяці тому +1

    The first time I heard them in 90s. I hadn’t realised that institutionalised was from 1983. Late 80s early 90s was a great time for me discovering music. I loved hip hop but enjoyed heavy metal, punk and grunge too.

  • @bwav.7077
    @bwav.7077 4 місяці тому +22

    Suicidal Tendencies was the first band I saw live when I was a teenager.
    I love this band. I even have a ST logo on my hand 👌

    • @Cerebro13
      @Cerebro13 4 місяці тому +1

      The first band I ever saw was W.A.S.P. . Fucking Blackie Lawless and his boys put on one hell of a show.

  • @hatefuldisplay
    @hatefuldisplay 4 місяці тому +1

    I first heard them when I got into punk around 87 and 88. Saw them in Germany with Metallica and The Cult in 92 or 93. Alice In Chains was supposed to be on the tour and was glad to see Suicidal take their spot. Mike made some great cracks about the German audience not being able to understand them. When he dedicated a song to "a very special person/ your mommy!" I was screaming like a lunatic and all the Germans around me were looking at me like I was the idiot I was and still am. So many good memories including their music...

    • @JohnGatesIII
      @JohnGatesIII 2 місяці тому +1

      That's funny. I saw the Faith No More/Metallica/GnR in Germany (Bad Cannstatt/Stuttgart) in 93. Germans didn't know what to do with Faith No More any more than AIC or ST. FNM got BOED off the stage....everyone was there to see Metallica and GnR. It was a great concert (although a little on the short side). Germans knew the BIG names, but the up and comers had a rough go of it. Germany, in the early 90s, was AWESOME.
      I grew up in the San Fernando Valley in the late 70s and 80s (went in the Army in 89). I got introduced to ST fairly early, since there was a large cross-over of Valley kids that ended up in Venice and Santa Monica. There was even a Valley "Gang" that stylized themselves off of ST, Fight for Freedom (or FFF/666), that sported that same Cholo/White boy look but were punkers. The funniest thing about them was that were middle class/upper middle class kids, that lived in North Hollywood/Studio City. I always thought, in the Seven Slease (Seven Seas) scene in "Valley Girl", that ST should have been playing instead of the Plimsouls, but that's just me.

  • @jamesbedford3774
    @jamesbedford3774 4 місяці тому +1

    Great band. 'You Can't Bring Me Down' is in my top 5 songs of all time.

  • @silencedones4421
    @silencedones4421 Місяць тому

    Suicidal Tendencies kept me from suicide. I realized as a teen through them that I wasn't alone and I wasn't crazy.

  • @shunsuikyoraku5428
    @shunsuikyoraku5428 4 місяці тому +2

    Very cool of you to let bands promote their music on your channel Finn

  • @Greg-om2hb
    @Greg-om2hb 4 місяці тому +1

    I saw ST in SF several times in the early 80s. I was a metal Head in the 70s, until I got into Punk Rock in 77; I liked how Rocky brought Metal guitar into ST’s take on Punk. I was also of fan of all the Crossover bands mentioned here, but it was METALLICA’s fusion of the intensity of Hard Core with the musicianship of Metal that made me a lifelong Thrash Metal fan. Japan’s LOVEBITES are carrying the Thrash flag into the future with a fresh take on a old sound. Check them out.

  • @stompintom6619
    @stompintom6619 4 місяці тому

    S.T. 's first album is an untouchable classic , bought it when it first came out . Saw them in the early 80's at a portuguese social club (small venue) in Toronto. That was the last time that club hosted any heavy bands . The place got trashed. Mike is an often underrated composer. 🤟🍁

  • @ncc1701mjs
    @ncc1701mjs 4 місяці тому +18

    Regardless of whether or not I like the music, I love the idea of having a band sponsor your video and share their music on your platform. Hope it’ll happen more often!

    • @YoungDeathWish
      @YoungDeathWish 4 місяці тому

      problem is, their music is poorly mixed. Impossible to get a real feel for them when you can't hear the vocals over the guitar.

    • @phat-kid
      @phat-kid 4 місяці тому

      suicidal tendencies > rushing spring

    • @RickReasonnz
      @RickReasonnz 4 місяці тому

      @@YoungDeathWish Some really weird drum sounds too. Still, respect that they are reaching out in a unique DIY way

    • @TheBlackAxe1
      @TheBlackAxe1 3 місяці тому

      That was a nice way of saying that Rushing Spring was not the best choice for promoting a Suicidal Tendencies documentary.

    • @ouchouchouch
      @ouchouchouch 3 місяці тому

      @@RickReasonnz putting your music on to spotify and paying for an add = DIY. OK got it...

  • @OnyxSkiesXIX
    @OnyxSkiesXIX 4 місяці тому +1

    They still have an ear for the upcoming musicians honestly. Their latest tour had this guy Greyson Nekrutman on drums who was a a jazz drummer on Instagram that started posting rock covers and I guess got noticed by them. He’s real fucking good.

  • @johnchedsey1306
    @johnchedsey1306 Місяць тому

    I got into ST in 1989 when I got How Will I Laugh Tomorrow, which became one of my absolute favorite albums. I was a full on metal head but the addition of Mike Clark on rhythm led them to become one of the best thrash bands of the time. It also allowed Rocky George to solo his heart out, which gave them such a unique sound. Muir's lyrics were also perfect for outsider teenagers and despite his gangster past, he really was an introspective dude with a lot of insight.

  • @monkeytailhock2295
    @monkeytailhock2295 4 місяці тому

    I saw ST a few years ago at House of Blues Houston and they killed it. Last few songs, Mike Muir called the crowd on stage. During Institutionalized, I was on the drum riser with Dave Lombardo when Mike shoved the mic in my face during the chorus. I got to be the guy that yelled "INSTITUTIONALIZED". I was immediately taken back to when I discovered ST in junior high and was stoked to sing backup on the mic with Mike Muir.

  • @nf3982
    @nf3982 2 місяці тому

    I love them!! I was so excited when they appeared on Miami Vice!! Suicidal Tendencies always brings me joy. 😃

  • @NuMetalDad
    @NuMetalDad 4 місяці тому +33

    ST opened my eyes to so much music. I would say ST and DRI did the most in exposing me to punk. I was a metal kid and the most punk thing I listened to was Dead Milkmen 😅. After hearing ST and DRI on Headbangers Ball I ended up getting both albums for my birthday. I remember using the video to "Possessed to Skate" as an intro to a speech I did in speech class on skating. 35 years later and I have quite the punk library......plus 30 second DRI songs were great for an ADHD kid.

    • @vanhattfield8292
      @vanhattfield8292 4 місяці тому

      Love bot bands but neither are punk, they are Thrash/Metal.

    • @zappasmoustache23
      @zappasmoustache23 4 місяці тому

      @@vanhattfield8292someone didn’t watch the video.
      Crossover. All the best parts of metal and punk in one tidy little package.
      Some bands were more punky some were more metal. Even when they were well established ST were still considered more punk than metal despite their sound cos’ they had that edge and attitude, musically and aesthetically. It took a little while for the metal purists to accept ST.
      DRI was essentially a punk band. Their attitude and performance style was clearly diy based, with a stripped down to basics metal sound.

    • @jlobiafra
      @jlobiafra 4 місяці тому

      ​@@vanhattfield8292I guess you've never heard DRI first two albums, there's nothing metal about those albums

  • @awoken8infinite
    @awoken8infinite 4 місяці тому

    Join the Army is probably my personal favourite, it just has so many good tracks on. I love how it opens up quite slow with the title track as well, it has a bit of a stoner vibe to it.

  • @brassteeth3355
    @brassteeth3355 4 місяці тому

    I grew up in a very rural wilderness area. I went to visit my grandparents where my older cousin was visiting as well. He had a magazine called "thrasher" . It was packed with skulls and punk and skate imagery. I had never seen anything like it. I didn't even know what to think but I was very intrigued. That's where I first saw this band. I got a cassette a year or two later when I was on a trip. That changed me for good.

  • @fifteen8
    @fifteen8 3 місяці тому +1

    In '81-82 we were playing sabbath, priest, clash, and stuff from DK Fresh Fruit in my high school band. We weren't part of any scene, but we didn't know metal and punk weren't supposed to mix. It simply felt natural and made sense because the music had that energy. And we liked the politics of punk that was often missing from metal (War Pigs notwithstanding). Later when I became part of the LES scene, metal and punk mixing was OK.

  • @rustyshackleford5704
    @rustyshackleford5704 3 місяці тому +1

    I was into Suicidal during the early 90's and nobody at school knew who they were.
    I listened to ST and wore their shirts. I liked how nobody knew who they were. At a time when grunge was the thing.
    Still a big fan and still listen to them.

  • @L3onR3dK3ttl3
    @L3onR3dK3ttl3 4 місяці тому +33

    My friend Louie was the bass player on the 1st 3 albums. Now he does shows With His band LUICIDAL he does the O.G. suicidal songs that he co wrote. I think he recently hosted a couple of tours at the new punk rock museum in Vegas recently with Fat mike and has a couple of his bass guitars there. Ive been a hardcore fan since 1987. Whooooo this is cool. 🎉❤😊 thanks. SUI4LIFE

    • @jlobiafra
      @jlobiafra 4 місяці тому +3

      Louie was the man, he co wrote alot off the first two albums which were their best albums. I wish he would of stayed in the band. I remember he fronted a band called Uncle Slam for a while

    • @13_13k
      @13_13k 4 місяці тому +2

      Luigi is the man, and even though a lot of people, especially management, got mad at Amery because he wouldn't play "dress up" any longer and left the band, those two were the original backbone of ST's sound.
      I grew up with Amery, friends since I was in 6th grade and I went through all grade school with Bob Heathcote, R.I.P. , Rick R.B. Batson and met Rocky before he joined ST, he was jamming with one of my best friends putting together a band.
      I also surfed and skated with Jay and got to know Jim from my friends and I skating the neighborhoods and Marina Skatepark. Two of my younger friends I skated with who ended up on DogTown team are Scott Oster and Aaron Murray. We all skated along with Pat Ngoho and Christian Hosoi.
      The '70s - into the '90s were some wild years growing up in Venice, Santa Monica, Playa Del Rey, Westchester, Marina Del Rey.
      It definitely wasn't like any place in the world. We were the world as far as we were concerned. Hahahahaha
      Westside L.A. Del Rey Deadchester Locs
      Be safe Brother

    • @13_13k
      @13_13k 4 місяці тому +1

      @@jlobiafra --- you are correct. Uncle Slam was Luigi and Amery, ST's original bass and drums. They had some good songs on that first album. Then I don't remember why they broke up. Amery told me, I'm sure but that was a very very long time ago. Amery also played in a band called The Brood. They were moving into the speed metal sound and then eventually Amery was hired by th Beastie Boys to be their tour drummer and stayed with them for about 15 years or so.

    • @jlobiafra
      @jlobiafra 4 місяці тому

      @@13_13k did you know the guys in Excel? That was a great band.

    • @13_13k
      @13_13k 4 місяці тому

      @@jlobiafra --- I don't think I do know those guys. I know a lot of musicians from the years both in LA and the Bay Area.
      Is that really you Jello or are you just using that name for your account?

  • @Optiv1
    @Optiv1 4 місяці тому

    First heard their debut album at the age of about 23 (about 2013). Blew me away, fantastic music

  • @Drumming-Life
    @Drumming-Life 3 місяці тому +1

    Found ST in '85. Skipping school in the city park hanging out with a couple of metalheads. I was a punk skater and was blown away by the first ST album. They also turned me on to Wendy O Williams who was equally good, imo. Good days to have grown up in. Miss it.

  • @daveshvac5665
    @daveshvac5665 4 місяці тому

    I grew up in the SFV in the 80’s and saw Suicidal many times. In fact, I almost fell over when I saw my young self on stage during that clip you showed after the Flipside cover. Great video that brought up great memories! Thanks

  • @rickydabessst59
    @rickydabessst59 3 місяці тому +1

    As a Mexican Punk looking for people who dress like me and look like me ST was one of the first bands that made me feel comfortable and accepted got me into Hardcore Thrash and even 2000s Pop Punk

  • @kentvikman1086
    @kentvikman1086 4 місяці тому

    I bought Join the Army and their 1st album in 1988 and shortly after How Will I Laugh Tomorrow. I was also lucky enough to see them live in Stockholm as part of the Clash of the Titans tour in 1990. If I wasn't enough of a fan before that show I certainly have been since. Sweet video man👍.

  • @bfunderb5899
    @bfunderb5899 4 місяці тому +66

    These episodes delving into the history of a band/artist are my favorite

  • @StoneyEyeStudios
    @StoneyEyeStudios 4 місяці тому

    I love ST so much!! Rocky George IMO is the most underrated guitarist, he is so amazing and one of my biggest influences.

  • @johnnyhotrod
    @johnnyhotrod 4 місяці тому

    Huge part of my teen years,they sounded like no one else and were a great way to get out that teenage angst!
    Love Suicidal,phenomenal bamd.

  • @StackingtheSouth
    @StackingtheSouth 3 місяці тому

    They were and are one of my favorite bands. I grew up in California, and we emulated the look and everything. We lived in Northern California, but they were a staple of the skate scene. I've liistened to them since 83. Great video.

  • @joshelderkin9592
    @joshelderkin9592 4 місяці тому +1

    I grew up with the self titled album and prime cuts as like beach/long drive music hearing about the impact they had is extra dope