Is Kia's "Tweener" 3-Row CUV Still A Top Pick? | 2021 Kia Sorento
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2021
- On the outside it's smaller than a Highlander, but on the inside you get more legroom. The base engine is less powerful than most 3-row CUVs and SUVs, but the price tag is significantly lower than the Pilot or Explorer. What exactly is the Kia Sorento and should you put it on your list if you're looking for a right-sized and right-priced family hauler with a third row?
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Really interested in the PHEV versions of the Sorento and Santa Fe being reviewed
Me too but fear they will be RAV4 Prime 2.0 - high demand and virtually no supply. You will also have to live in/near a ZEV state unless you want to buy it from afar…
@@trevormeyers1157 Even in ZEV states like California, many dealerships are still charging a markup of $5-10k over MSRP citing long waiting list and other bs reasons. No wonder Scotty Kilmer calls them "stealerships"!
@@CumBrianFries I looks like the PHEV Santa Fe will do 0-60 in 8.8 sec and that is in sport mode. Probably due to the 6 speed trans, wish it would be 8 speed.Charging will be 3.3 KW, don't know if it can be increased via a software update.
I've probably said it before, but your Charts with Vehicle size, etc., are VERY helpful. Great Reviews as always!
I saw one of these on the road yesterday and it looked really good.
Alex amazes with how thorough his reviews always turnout to be. Well done!
Excellent auto reviews! You cover everything that a prospective buyer is interested in.
Love the new ground clearance table. Please add that to all of your future videos.
Spot on…….Best car review ever, informative and in-depth with supporting graphics.
It's interesting. I prefer the Telluride to the Palisade, but I prefer the Santa Fe to this. Either way H/K is firing on all cylinders.
I really am waiting and hoping that Alex does a detailed more in depth review on the new Acura MDX soon. I saw the quick version but I want to see his actual good review on that specific vehicle.
I can't wait for the PHEV version and hopefully with the new KIA logo. Make it happen, KIA!
The 2022 models have been spied with the new logo.
@@ZapFlashD Thanks, glad to see them hopefully soon.
Yep, checking on the daily!
Really never understood the “confusion” of classifying the Sorento. To me, it’s plainly obvious that it’s a mid-size 2-row crossover to go up against the likes of the Ford Edge, Nissan Murano, Chevy Blazer, and Honda Passport. It’s unique selling proposition is that it just so happens to have a cramped (but useable in a pinch) third row.
I think that's underrating the third row. It may only be for adults for short trips, but there's plenty of room for kids back there, and that's who is likely to end up there. The lack of cargo space makes the third row unusable on a vacation, but for many families being able to haul a couple of extra kids sometimes is a definite plus.
@@markmiller3279 Spot on, Mark. I'm sure we don't deploy the third row of our Sorento as much as 10% of the time. But it's perfectly adequate for a couple of average size adults (5'9" or less) for an hour or two. And it's worth noting that the 29.6" of default legroom (without adjusting the 2nd row) is 2" more than a Toyota Highlander. On occasions when we take 6 or 7 passengers on a local outing it's a huge convenience compared to driving two vehicles.
True, it's Kia's entry against the above SUVs you mentioned. However none of them except the Hyundai Santa Fe sell well today. The Edge and Murano are likely going to be discontinued in 1-2 years.
@@anandecy3035 The Grand Cherokee outsells both, easily.
you do a better job at explaining the differences between all the options per trim level then their website, thank you
As a 3 month owner of a Sorento sx prestige xline model I recommend it to any family. It’s great in my opinion. I love the way it looks the way it drives and even when you compare to others similar to this from other brands the 3rd row is so much more usable. I can sit comfy in the last row in this and I’m 5’8 and I believe even a bit taller people will fit fine for a decent car ride. But specially for kids it’s great. Has lots of USB’s I like the materials inside specially for the price. Like the wheels on this and the drive is fun. It has some nice power to it. The pano roof is also amazing. Now the only thing is the trunk space ain’t great so soecially for a family of 4 it’s great because everyone fits and you can put 3rd row down for more storage room but if you need more space you can always throw some stuff on the roof for road trips. Back to driving I love the transmission shifts nice and smooth. Can’t think of anything else now but if any of you have any questions I can answer. ✌️
I am a 6" father of 2 boys aged 4 and 1 and another is on the way in Jan. I have crv currently and am looking for a 3 row. Minivans are too expensive and I really don't want to drive one...from your experience, would it be feasible to put half the 3rd row down with my 4 year old in his car seat on the remaining 3rd row seat and the 2 babies seats in 2nd row and still have room for a collapsed stroller on folded half 3rd row?
@@k.w.2275 I believe you guys will fit fine and the stroller will also fit but now it just becomes a thing about if you need or want a lot more space aside from that because I believe you will still have some space left to fit a couple more things behind the seat that is still up and also some space next to the stroller and it also comes with some storage space underneath the floor at the end of the trunk. It’s 2 separate decent size spaces but one side comes with the tire jack that comes with the vehicle to change the tire if needed but you can take that out and in my case I took it out so I use both sides for storage. Congrats on your new baby. Me and my partner are also expecting another son in a couple of months so I’m also going to see if it still works good because like I said with 4 it’s perfect but with 5 it can be a bit more tight because of the limited trunk space but honestly I love it man it’s just a great buy IMO. You should definitely check it out and make sure you take your stroller but if you think you might need more space you can also check out a telluride at the same time. I personally loved everything about the Sorento and specially the engine choices because I like the telluride too but the engine in the Sorento is just so much more fun and feel like the telluride is kinda under powered or just not as fun as the Sorento. Long story short I recommend it and you should check it out.
Can you provide an update? I test drove and the transmission felt weird. Have you had any issues?
Test drove the Santa Fe Limited and Sorento X line same day. Big differences. Santa Fe had a lot of side-to-side sway, the seating position was higher (couldn't rest my elbow on center console), the seat leather was kind of stiff, and the center stack of buttons was a mess. I had gone in wanting the Santa Fe, but when I had to sit there and hold my hand over the center stack to reduce the glare of the sun coming through the sun roof - those buttons are at a terrible angle - I realized I didn't like a bunch of things about it. The Sorento was *fun* to test drive. Tight suspension, seats are more comfortable and can sit lower, oh and the steering wheel feels great. Skinny, smooth-slippery little steering wheel on the Santa vs thick, grippy perforated leather on the Sorento. And the smart cruise control and lane centering is fantastic - this will be an easy drive to Florida in a month. Beats the hell out of the ping-pong worthless lane centering of my 2018 Accord.
Ended up getting an x-line with that rust interior and "everlasting silver" exterior and love driving it. My boss liked it so much he went out and got a Sorento as well. Great, great vehicle so far.
Wow! Very helpful! Thanks a Ton!
People snub their noses at Hyundia and Kia's but they are both good, reliable, nicely equipment, and lower priced vehicles.
I like how thoughtfully they equip these vehicles. Need two rows only, here's a Santa Fe. Want the option of sometimes carrying two more, we have a Sorento for you. Need to regularly carry six or seven, take a look at a Telluride or Palisade. It's possible to find something for just about any family in their lineup.
Great review 👍🏼
Hyundai and Kia are slowly not being the bargain it used to be. They're now trying to masked the it by having the lowest starting price, upper models creeps up to where it is either same pricing or even a tad more then competition.
But some would argue that it’s worth the extra money
A good example is nx vs gv70 or RX vs gv80.
Not a case of "masking" the price. The Korean brands retain an advantage in features offered at the same (or slightly lower) MSRPs.
Great review! Love the new Sorento!
30 minute review has been out for 6 minutes. You posted 3 minutes ago it’s a great review. 🤔 Are you from the future?
@@mlosuno402 yes😅
All of Kia's new designs look great
I really like the Sorento overall and the front seating looks very nice (I agree with you on the infotainment screens)! The lack of rear climate control is kind of a deal breaker as is the rear cargo volume!
The PHEV is coming and waiting for that one!
Can you review the 2022 Sorento. phew ….great review, very through and professionally laid out.
great reveiw, curious why the CX-9 specs were left out of this review in the comparison charts
This is actually nice looking, I even like the colour.
I liked the driver side thigh extension, along with rear heated seats and for some reason they deleted those features. They’re included in the Telluride, though we don’t need an SUV that large. Lastly, the previous model has very good sound deadening.
I'm annoyed by those changes, as well. I suspect it's a combination of protecting the sales of the Telluride by eliminating some features the Sorento shared and compensating for the cost of replacing the old V6 with the new turbo 4. The features you mention as well as a number of others are available on the Sorento sold in Korea but the Telluride isn't available there.
@@stephenhendricks103 Makes sense, though not sure buyers cross shop the Sorento and Telluride. For instance, the Telluride is far to large for my family and the Sorento was/is the perfect size for our needs.
In my opinion, there’s no reason they couldn’t offer those features on the top Sorento trim. Second time Sorento buyers like I might have otherwise been, will likely notice those changes and feel they would be stepping down into a lesser car. One of the top selling points for KIA as they’ve struggled to move on from their past earned reputation for crap cars, was to pack in technology and features like the thigh extension, along with the rear heated seats.
Also, we really like the naturally aspirated V6, because it shifts gears so effortlessly and the cabin is quiet. KIA’s turbo engines don’t have a stellar track record, so that’s another reason I’d pass on the new Sorento.
KIA needs to decide on a brand identity and stick with it. Right now that seems in flux.
@@stevewise1656 As an owner of a 2018 Sorento I share you frustration to some extent. And like you, I think the Sorento is a "Goldilocks" size for our family of four (two adults, a teenage daughter, and a big dog.) Personally, I'd pay nearly the same price for a fully loaded top trim Sorento as that of a Telluride or another larger 3 row SUV. But I think we're exceptions, not the rule. Consider the MSRP of the top trim Sorento versus the Telluride. The difference is over $5000. (And that difference remains or increases when actual transaction prices, many above MSRP, are taken into account.) That's a substantial price advantage for the Sorento. Conversely, if KIA offered the same content/features on the Sorento its price would inevitably increase. If the $5K+ difference were, say, $3000 or less would most potential Sorento customers stick with it or opt for the roomier Telluride? KIA believes, and I think they're correct, that a large portion of potential Sorento buyers would opt for a Telluride.
You're certainly correct that "there's no reason (KIA) couldn't (more and better) features on the top Sorento trim." After all, they've offered many of those features on the previous generation and they're offered on Sorentos in other national markets. But doing so would inevitably either diminish the price difference between the Sorento and the Telluride and hurt sales of the Sorento or cannibalize sales of the more expensive, higher profit Telluride. Neither is an especially appealing result from KIA's point of view.
There are other factors involved, as well. The new generation Sorento with a significantly modified external design, new engines, transmission, and platform inevitably means higher production costs compared to the last generation initially introduced in 2012. Yet KIA has barely nudged the MSRP of the top trim Sorento. With that in mind reducing features is inevitable. And the factors determining those decisions don't end there.
Not only are there complaints about a reduced set of amenities compared to the last generation, some complain about features offered on the Sorento in other national markets that are missing in the US. But what those complaints don't take into account is that the Sorento is the flagship and largest unibody SUV offered in most national markets. The Telluride is built and offered almost exclusively in the US and Canada. (It's not even offered in Korea.) In those international markets the Sorento is seen as a "large" SUV and competes primarily with similar size luxury SUVs from European manufacturers. The larger mainstream midsize SUV rivals sold in the US are either nonexistent or have minuscule sales in those markets. The Sorento, loaded with features, can be marketed as a "budget" luxury vehicle not offered in the US and still enjoy a substantial price advantage compared to models from BMW, Audi, MB, and Volvo. Even in Canada where both the Sorento and Telluride are sold, KIA offers some features not available in the US. But Canadian Sorentos are all AWD models with the built-in greater profitability of the vehicle compared to the US where AWD is an option on all trims and FWD models provide additional sales, albeit with less profit.
Bottom line? As I said, I understand the frustration with some of KIA's choices in deleting content from the new Sorento compared to the previous model. But initial sales certainly don't suggest KIA has made an error in their design and marketing strategies. The absence of a second row bench seat in all but the lowest trims prevents me from replacing my 2018 Sorento with a new model. It's a deal breaker for our dog. But I suspect I'm in a small minority.
@@stephenhendricks103 Do you work for KIA Americas?😉 You’ve explained that all exceedingly well! Prior to your message, I ‘d thought I knew more than most buyers. Hmm…trying to put my finger on what you do for a living…engineer or head of corporate marketing come to mind, though not for KIA. We also have a family of four and the Sorento has served us well over the years.
Your 2018 model offers virtually all the same safety features offered within the latest generation, so in my humble opinion, there’s no need to buy a new Sorento. The new turbo engine will have some hiccups like many of the other KIA turbos. The naturally aspirated engine in both your Sorento and mine work well, cabins are quiet, gears shift smoothly, and infotainment controls are intuitive.
For instance, My 2019 Stinger GT2 with only 4200 miles is going on four weeks at the dealership for a total engine and transmission teardown and replacement. Many other Stinger owners are dealing with these same issues on low mileage Stingers. The issues are in part related to the twin turbos. The car has also had three battery replacements, because KIA didn’t engineer those batteries to handle the technology parasitic drain.
So, my frustrations with KIA are just a tad bit high at this time. For decades I’d been a Honda/Acura buyer and switched to KIA, however after battling KIA over these issues that should’ve been covered under their alleged excellent warranty coverage, I’m looking to make a change.
Man this car looks so good to me
Awesome review and super clear comparisons, thanks Alex!
I actually love the front clip on the Sorrento, and there's something about the vertical, split rear taillights that remind me of the early 80s Olds Cutlasses (RWD), but that probably says more about me than the Kia lol. And to the question posed, I think the Sorrento is more attractive than the Santa Fe.
Agreed about the looks of the Sorento vs the Santa Fe. Hyundai designs tend to look like there's a committee charged with taking a design and adding creases and bulges all over the vehicle. As for the similarity to the Cutlass, you're likely nearly as old as I am. 😜
@@stephenhendricks103 hahaha. agree on all points
I absolutely love the exterior look of this. If you compare it to it's competitors: Pilot, Highlander, Palisade, it just looks way better than them, although the Telluride looks a little better in the same brand. Kia's exterior designs are so top tier now. I'm always wary of Kia's reliability, but I'm definitely going to consider them for my next car.
Like many KIA owners I was somewhat leery about build quality and reliability when I bought our family's first Sorento in 2013. I was somewhat reassured the KIA's long bumper-to-bumper and powertrain warranties. I shouldn't have worried. After 80,000 miles the warranties could have been for 50 miles and 90 minutes and I wouldn't have spent any more to deal with reliability issues. Zero dollars. Same story with the 50,000 plus miles on our 2018 model.
Thanks Alex! Great review. Are you going to do a review of the PHEV version? They are out! Also, is the DCT sorted out on this? We have a Niro PHEV and the DCT is fun, but when you use the paddle shifters, there’s a long delay between clicking the paddle and a shift…not very fun! But, as much as I like this vehicle, the 2-zone climate is a deal breaker! I never paid attention to 2/3 zone HVAC when buying cars because once we had kids we always had a minivan that always had 3 zone at the very least. BUT, they I got a TESLA Model Y and road trips were a disaster trying to keep everyone comfortable. So, no more 2 zone HVACs on the family vehicle!
The fact that this now has little competition in terms of size makes it a good Goldilocks pick for some people.
Easy to categorise. It is almost identical in concept and size and equipment to the Volvo XC90. I changed a 2017 Volvo XC90 for one of these, both with Diesel engines and eight speed automatic. The Kia has a rotary shift selector not the stick as shown in this video. Mid trim in the case of the diesel with 4wd but missing the surround cameras, head up display and opening moonroof. Pretty much everything else is standard, oh except front seat cooling. Oddly, the way UK Kia spec it, third row gets air vents and separate air-con controls as standard.
An XC90 equivalent for Honda CR-V money with no compromise in quality or ability whatsoever. Less tire noise than an XC90 as a bonus.
As an Kia lover: I'd buy this someday Alex.
I drive a GV 80, and test drove the Sorento with my daughter, it seemed to be less harsh on sharp impacts than the GV 80 with 20's
How would you compare this to the Subaru Outback? Similar starting prices, similar towing with the two different engines, just the emergency third row vs more cargo?
Actually, the Sorento has slightly more cargo space behind the 2nd row and equal cargo space behind the first row. The difference, of course, is that the Sorento provides a choice between 3rd row seating and cargo capacity while the Outback doesn't offer that choice. The Outback, on the other hand, though not as capable as a Wrangler or Bronco, is considerably more versatile in an off-road environment than the Sorento (even the more rugged looking X-Line version.)
Alex, do you have any details on the PHEV Sorento? My family was going to get the regular Sorento Hybrid, but the fact that it was captains chairs only was a deal breaker. Really hoping there'll be a bench seat option for the PHEV.
Same here but I wouldn't hold your breath. The fact that KIA is viewing captain chairs as a sign of a premium vehicle means, I think, that they'll put them on the PHEV version just as they have on the hyrid and every trim level above the very lowest in the gas model.
I like the looks.. it needs a bit more bright work ( I'll check out the other trims)......& I can do without a 3rd row.....( why are you including the K5 in the charts?)...it’s between this & the Tiguan...love the green
Are noise levels measured on the same road for different cars?
Even though the Sorento has a 3rd row, I honestly don't consider it a 3-row crossover. It's just a nice, larger compact crossover with a jumper seat in the rear for emergency use. We own a 2019 Sorento (purchased after Alex's rather positive review of the new for 2019 8 speed auto) and have never used the 3rd row and I doubt any member of my family (the shortest being 5ft 2) could even ride there for more than 10 minutes. But, it does make for a nice large rear cargo area and I do appreciate Kia putting the spare underneath the car like a truck rather than inside. Of course, the downside is the tire gets really dirty and checking air pressure is a pain, but hey; that's what Les Schwab is for.
The new model's third row seat is much roomier than the old one, compromised mainly by the very low seat bottom. There's no shortage of headroom or legroom except for taller men. Anyhow, kids aren't as fussy about seating as adults and teens, and that's who this is made for, not teens or adults. Many of us grew up sitting in station wagon third rows that were far less comfortable than this. The bigger problem to my mind is the lack of cargo space with the third row in use. That makes it effectively a part-time third row, not one for a family with a bunch of kids. It's good enough for carrying a couple of extra kids around town, to school or home from soccer, but not four kids on a vacation.
Looking forward to seeing Sorento PHEV review
I like the Sorrento but the only thing I don't particularly like is the bucket seats I wish it had the 20 40 split seat
Love the cupholder PSA XD
Inside and outside looks better than telluride. Telluride just has those amazingly cool headlights
If you can't put a drive through drink into the cup holders, It has no cup holders
They really took out Kia Sorento's features so the Telluride would stay on top. The Sorento still has features like lumbar support, nappa leather, adjustable 3rd row, and vents in the third row in the European and Australian versions.
Yup, to void competition to the Telluride. No more V6 either.
Alex (or other commentator), any opinion on Sorento for car camping for two people? Any CUV/SUV recommendations from anyone? Thanks!
Any of the standard CUV models should be able to carry camping gear for two, including the Sorento, if that's what you're asking. Beyond that, what matters is simply how good a vehicle it is, considering where you will drive it. If you're not going off-road you can buy almost anything, so concentrate on reliability, price, comfort, features - just as you would when buying any car.
One note: at high elevations turbocharged engines don't lose as much power as naturally aspirated engines. That can matter if your vehicle is carrying a heavy load.
Hey, Alex, when are you reviewing the Sorento PHEV (I already own it)?
How do you like it so far? Is there any possibility of fitting a large check in size bag, in any orientation, in the trunk, with the third row occupied?
I guess I'm the only one who dislikes the looks of the Telluride . . . I love the looks of the Sorento.
Why doesn't it have a memory driver's seat? Top of the line without that feature is a deal breaker for us who share 1 vehicle. We got a EX-L Passport and it has 2 models above the trim and it gets the memory seat.
All the missing features and more are in the Santa Fe Calligraphy but it lacks a 3rd row. If you don't need it, get a Santa Fe (all have 8.2" ground clearance).
I have a feeling the Sorrento was decontented so it does step on the Tellurides toes. Although, any vehicle over $40000 without memory seats is inexcusable.
Only issue fir me on my test drive was the road noise on the highway
This is much more attractive than the telluride. In my opinion. I like the harder lines and the front end with it being more angular
I wonder when they are going to refresh the interior of the telluride. There are aspects of the sorento I really like but it kinda falls short. The telluride also, aspects I like but no panoramic sunroof and no digital gauge cluster. I'm shocked to say this, but the pathfinder looks really competitive with the Palisade/telluride.
The 2022 reviews is on rati ride
ugh, I have no desire for a pano roof, dont want or need all that extra weight in glass above my head.
About the seats for ones mother in law (lol).
Did you know, that in Europe (where we don't have Telluride available, what I find a reason that) we have the air vents in the third row? With separate adjustments etc. ofcourse.
Does the Tucson really have 8.3 inches of ground clearance??
KIA did an awesome job here. The only problem is that the higher end pricing is in the Telluride range which gives you a lot more vehicle for about the same money.
Lol true no wonder why there everywhere 😅
If I were going to look at an Sorento SX or Santa Fe Calligraphy I’d have a hard time not just looking at a Palisade Calligraphy for about $6k more. The one thing that would probably hold me back would be the fuel economy.
Not everyone needs or wants a bigger vehicle.
@@markmiller3279 Bingo. Our 2018 Sorento is my wife's daily driver and the vacation "truckster" with ample cargo space for our family of four (3 humans and a big dog.) Furthermore, at 189" long we can hang a hitch mounted bike rack for 3 bikes on the Sorento and close the garage door. That wouldn't be possible with the larger Telluride or more other 3 row SUVs. For us, the Sorento is a true Goldilocks size.
I think the Sorento looks really good. Hoped the Sportage was more like this, just a bit smaller, and not like the monstrosity that was just recently revealed
Kia has been making some of the best vehicles on the road today, I’m truly impressed with them. Especially this Sorento and the Teluride. I think it looks great Alex, I’m happy they are keeping the Telluride on a pedestal as the brands icon. Once the electrics chips manufacturing comes back to normal and prices go back to normal I plan on selling my Pilot for a Telluride.
I really like the look of the front grill. I do NOT like the look of the back end. The verticle tail lights look odd to me.
What about the mitsushitty outlander phev? I thought both were in the same class?
There are many other vehicles he could have compared it with. His choices are some of the best known and most popular. I suspect when the PHEV Sorento and Santa Fe come out he will compare them with other PHEV competitors.
The Santa Fe is the luxury version of this car without the third row. In Calligraphy trim it compares (and beats) to crossovers that cost 30% more. The amount of cargo and passenger room combined with just about every luxury feature (rain-sensing wipers, auto-everything, auto-entry/exit seat, extending thigh support, etcetera is unmatched under $60K. And that engine! While the 0-60 is impressive, it is "passing power" that really counts and the acceleration from 40 to 90 borders on scary. Disclaimer, I have the Calligraphy and the only issue is, as Alex points out, 19 inch wheels would be preferable.
VERY Helpful!
They should have offered a 2-row version also, to compete in the same market as the Santa Fe/Blazer/Edge/Passport/Murano/Venza, etc.
And just why would KIA seek to compete with the Santa Fe with sales going into the same corporate pot? In the case of the Palisade and the Telluride, the latter is built and sold only in North America while the Palisade is designed to appeal to international markets.
Looking for a replacement for my 2019 Acura RDX that is a little bigger but with sporty looks and a good AWD system. This may be the vehicle. Not sure the sound system of the KIA can get close to the Acura's for audio quality but the infotainment system of the KIA has to be far less glitchy than the the Acura unit (it is plain awful in my car). I would bet the DCT also does not have the hesitation at low speeds (6 to 15 mph) in city traffic that the RDX often exhibits. I might even look at PHEV when it is available.
The Hyundai/Kia infotainment system is quite good, and almost always gets decent reviews. It's very straightforward and easy to learn.
Love the 2.5T engine in this. I would buy the Sorrento over the upcoming/current Sportage given its power and space. Very impressed. Love the colors inside as well. Interior, tech, and stopping distance is better than an MDX.
Would you be able to do the Blazer 2.0t? I would like to see a review of that car.
only thing going for that car is the styling... if it was called anything but a blazer. should just be called HandicapParkingBlazer
@@Matt-vw9nd that's cool
How are Kia's long term reliability? I've always been more of a CRV, RAV type person. My current 99 CRV still on its original Alternator and Starter without any issues, other than changing fluids, timing belt and water pump about 10 years ago and other routine maintenance. The only non routine was I changed the radiator after it got a crack in it 2 years ago. But its getting on in years, Its going to be replaced sooner or later.
I've thought about getting another used CRV, Seltos, CX5, CX30, etc.
Alex would say their reliability is identical to Toyota
@Ayush Malpeddi That is good to know, with the complexity of newer cars, they seem to be a little more intricate to repair. Reliability is important for me. I appreciate the input.
Consumer Reports currently rates Kia and Hyundai reliability as right about average. That puts it below Toyota, Mazda, and Subaru, but not much different from Honda, which has had some iffy models in recent years, and above most domestic and European brands.
Buick rates unexpectedly well, but that may say more about how Buick buyers use and maintain their cars than about the cars themselves.
@@markmiller3279 Reliability "rankings" of new cars regardless of brand frequently say more about how owners "use and maintain their cars than about the cars themselves." Furthermore, rankings tell you no more about the relative reliability of vehicles than "win/place/show" in a horse race tells you whether the winner was 17 lengths ahead at the finish line or wins by a nose. The fact is that over 90% of new car buyers in 2021 will drive their cars for 100K miles without a single serious reliability issue.
@@markmiller3279 Hmm, that's somewhat disconcerting. I've have also heard that about modern Honda's, that some weren't as reliable. Something with oil dilution, and their turbo engines being iffy. I've never been big on CVT's but it seems like may are except Mazda. I appreciate your info.
Santa Fe is smaller, should compare with Sportage, right?
Alex, do you always have a gallon of milk ready to be tried to fit into the console storage?
I've wondered that, too. By now I hope he has emptied that jug.
the best looking and least family friendly hybrid. Captain chairs makes it effectively and 4 passenger vehicle. 3rd child or cargo space on road trips. No go
Alex: *lets the car hover on a hill*
“But the transmission may eventually give up”
😂
It's unfortunate that Kia is starting to remove features from it's vehicles in the US. No memory seats , no 4 way lumbar ( both of which were available last year). They are doing this across the line up for the US market. All these features are available in other markets.
The Seltos in the Us , no cooled seats but Available in other markets.
Kia soul, no more leather / cooled seats but Available in other markets.
Maybe they are trying to keep the price down but it seems like they got customers in with these features in the past and now are trying to see what they can remove before sales take a hit.
KIAs are no longer a "cheap" brand alternative but they remain a "value brand." And that means aiming for a price point that's largely determined by the competition in a particular national market. The top trim Sorento SXL X-Line has an MSRP only very slightly more than last year's top trim. And it comes with a new engine rather than the long-in-the-tooth V6 and a major redesign, all of which has to be paid for.
Sorrento Hybrid is the top choice in the midsize SUV market.
"midsize" BRUH
@@carlosandleon Yes. I have a 3-row, chosen because of the large cargo space for my dogs.
@@SheilaR.08 BRUH
Zero chance of that. The Grand Cherokee easily outsells this..
Your information sheet is not correct
The s trim at $31,890-$33,690
Does not get the turbo engine
It’s just standard
Its too good to be true to get that engine at such price point
You need Ex or Sx to get the turbo engine
Handsome Crossover but I think were I in the market for a 3 row I'd go for one of the bigger competitors, and I'd prefer the Santa Fe for midsize / 2 row. Andy why oh why is everything captain's chairs nowadays? Give me a bench!!!!!
Like what I suspect is the overwhelming majority of Sorento owners my family seldom deploy the third row. Have to say, however, that when the need arises to chauffeur a gaggle of teenagers or any local trip with 6 or 7 passengers the third row is a huge convenience compared to using two vehicles. As for the trend toward captain chairs in the second row of upper trim mainstream and luxury 3 row crossovers stems from brands' market research that suggest customers with more disposable income (and related smaller families) see captain chairs as a sign of luxury. Unfortunately our family of four (Three humans and a big dog) has one member whose body isn't designed for a captain chair. (Guess which one.) And KIA's decision to offer a bench second row only on the lowest trims is a potential deal breaker for us.
@@stephenhendricks103 I think you're right on the money there, prior Sorento had ideal setup of bench (with more practical 40/20/40 split!) and occasional-use 3rd row. But as you say, market research dominates all and captain's chairs sure are popular nowadays
2021 Santa Fe soon ?
Hmmm Soreno or Highlander? Tough pick
I will be comparing the Santa Fe PHEV AWD pricing and performance to the Sportage PHEV AWD when they're both out. I just don't need or want the 3rd row.
the things hold me back from buying...1. no memory seats they took those out this year. 2. no steering response head lights. if you have never had these you dont know what you are missing they are awesome. our 18 sorento has them. 3. no nappa leather option. sure it has "genunie leather" but nothing beats nappa leather. 4. only 2-way lumbar support. my 18 has 4 way lumbar support. 5. only up to 3500 tow. my 18 has up to 5000 tow. and the big one...for about the same price i paid for my fully loaded 18 sorento i can get a fully loaded 21 sorento with much less stuff. what a shame
what are you buying?
I have the same 2018 top trim Sorento and would echo your points and add a couple more. No thigh extension for the driver. And most importantly, no second row bench seat for any but the lowest trim levels. That last item is a deal breaker for our family of four (two adults, a teenage daughter, and a big dog.) I understand the trend to offer captain chairs in the second row of top trim mainstream and luxury 3 row SUVs. It stems from market research that suggests a preference for them as a "luxury" feature coupled with the smaller families and greater disposable income of those who opt for more expensive trim levels and brands. Unfortunately, our dog's second home is the back seat of our 2018 Sorento and he simply doesn't have the body shape suitable for a captain chair.
I also understand KIA's decision to "de-content" the Sorento in some ways to keep the price of the Sorento from creeping closer to that of the Telluride. And the lower towing limit is understandable as well considering the replacement of the last generation's V6 with the 2.5L turbo 4. Unfortunately, some of the cost cutting significantly impacts our family's needs, especially considering that the closely related Santa Fe continues to several of those features. (e.g. memory seats, 2nd row bench). If we considered replacing our 2018 Sorento I think we'd have to think seriously about giving up the third row seating and opt for the Hyundai.
I think it is perfect for someone who does not really need a 3 row
The Sorento's third row is hardly generous but it's worth noting that the default legroom in the KIA is 2" more than a Toyota Highlander and even with the capability to adjust the legroom in the first two rows in both the Sorento and the Highlander, the KIA comes out ahead overall. Then there is Toyota's cruel joke of claiming to seat 3 in the third row simply because the Highlander comes with three seatbelts.
Isn't this more comparable to the Honda passport?
Agreed. I think this should have been compared with both the larger two-row crossovers like the Passport, Atlas Cross Sport, Edge, Murano and Blazer, as well as the smaller three-rows like the Highlander and Acadia
@@mark_u he does compare it to all of them in the drive and discussion section. I think for the full pricing and spec comparison section at the end, he probably narrowed it for video time efficiency
Not really. It's narrower and lighter, more like the compacts than the mid-size Passport. And, of course, it has the third-row seat, so that pushes it closer to the Pilot. Honda doesn't really have a direct competitor. It's like a CR-V with a third row.
@@markmiller3279 In terms of size the Sorento is very close to the Passport. (189" vs 190" in length.) As well as the Ford Edge (188") and the Sorento's sibling, the Santa Fe (188"). The CR-V is considerably smaller (182.1") In fact, the Sorento is a smidgen closer in size to the Highlander than to the CR-V.
The mother in-law is once again being mentioned lol
He clearly really hates his MIL...
I am glad it doesn't look like a Telluride. I want the Sorento to have its own look. Sure the Kia theme, but a look its own. I am kind of tired of models left in the dryer too long and ends up a shrunken version of the bigger model. Your mileage may vary. I think this is perfect. What a perfect traveling professional's ride without having its own zip code like most of the huge SUVs or crossover. This is the Goldilocks size. The question is reliability. With the amazing warranty who really cares? Lease it and give back at the end and get another. Not sure a long term KIA is my answer, but they have gotten much better. The Toyota reliability? Probably not, but so close. If the Sorento follows the Telluride's high reliability scores, this could be ideal for the long term. KIA is really getting to be compelling. Hyundai sister company makes too a strong case. I like this pretty well. I would like to see reliability trend before I take the plunge.
Definitely can tell where there is some cost cutting after checking one out. It’s not that much cheaper than a Telluride and to me. It as much of a buy. Rear door trim is all plastic. No power down for all windows. No felt lined glove box or struts for hood.
There are a number of deletions on the US Spec Sorento vs the previous model and the version available in Korea and some other international markets. For the most part the cost cutting is designed to reduce the likelihood of cannibalizing sales of the Telluride, a vehicle that isn't even sold in Korea.
Every dealership I asked for the sale price or out the door cost has lead to silence or $7,600 markup.
You should try actual negotiating rather than asking a dealer to give you his bottom line price without a negotiation. Nevertheless, demand for the Sorento makes it a seller's market.
@@stephenhendricks103 I like to make it plain and simple. I know with the chip shortage, it’s the dealer’s advantage on what they want to sell it at. I’ve been flexible with negotiating, but they all want markups with additional useless addendums/options. I don’t like to sit for hours 4 hours average with them playing the the 4 square routine. I hate leaving a dealership mentally burned out. If they have a selling point, and it’s out of my budget, there’s no point in negotiating.
A salesman tried selling me a demo 2021 Sorento SX Prestige X-Line with 5,542 miles that his manager used. Vehicle had pet hair all over the carpet. And seats are obviously a little worn out. He was trying to get me to buy it with $6,000 on top of MSRP, and another $1,100 options (VIN etching, Nitrogen, Tint).
My wife and I are willing to pay MSRP for it, with our trade in.
@@WKaznartist I"d say you should look for another dealer. My KIA dealer (Seattle metro area) sells all vehicles at MSRP or less. Period. And I've bought many, many cars over the years and never paid over MSRP. There's no question that the current economic conditions and supply chain issues give sellers an advantage but I've found very few dealers willing to let a serious offer walk out the door in the hopes of improving on a potential deal with someone else.
If you're someone who hates negotiations as you suggest, you might try working through a broker who does the negotiations for you. You won't get as good a deal as doing it on your own but you'll avoid the hassle of dealing and the time you can spend more productively. If nothing else, you might try purchasing services such as Costco that will give you a fixed price, typically less than MSRP that you can execute with multiple dealers.
I think KIA hit a home run with this. Looks way better than it did before inside and out ( although too much piano black in the center area) I test drove one and was impressed. The engine has plenty of low end torque but it is raspy and noisy. KIA and the Hyundai group are really delivering great alternatives. people have to get past the brand and take some chances. The Highlander is just boring.
I have a Sorrento 2019 top of the line, and will not be upgrading to the new one mostly because they don't offer 7 seats on the top trims anymore what is a deal breaker to me. It's a better looking vehicle than the previous generation, but it is less utilitarian and less capable overall.
I like this better than telluride 😊
I read Edwards consumer reviews on the 2021 Sorento. Large percentage of unhappy buyers. I bought a Venza instead.
"If you want to tow more", not everyone can afford the price tag of the Telluride plus the $10,000 price adjustment fee that dealers still hit you with in most dealerships. The prior 3 generations on the Sorento had the V6 and could tow 5,000lbs but not anymore.
You can get a Palisade without the dealer markup, and styling aside they are very much alike. Yeah, it still costs, but you get what you pay for.
My dealer in the Seattle area sells Tellurides at MSRP. No "market adjustment" period. The downside of that practice is a long waiting list for the top trim Telluride that has barely shrunk since its introduction. Pick your poison.
Alex, what’s your gut feeling on how well these new Hyundai/Kia will hold up in 5 years compared to Toyota/Honda?
For me I’m liking the new Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid in blue edition (no massive sun roof). However I’m waiting on the upcoming Lexus NX hybrid.
Our 2001 Subaru Forester is ready for retirement. We are retired empty nesters ready for some post pandemic travel. I was disappointed with the Venza being smaller inside than the RAV4 4.
Exactly the question that goes through my head every time I consider a Hyundai/Kia.
@@mynameIan there’s a reason frugal taxi and Uber drivers buy Toyota hybrids. A consensus favorite was the second generation Prius, or the Prius V.
@@MechayaAlta True, a Prius is ideal for an Uber driver. The Highlander is a very different vehicle. It should be reasonably reliable, but the things that fail most often on modern cars are all the electronic gizmos, and a Highlander has a lot more of those than the much simpler Prius.
To address the question directly, few cars have major problems within five years. Consumer Reports rates Kia reliability as right about average. It is below Toyota, but close to Honda. That rating mostly reflects minor problems, irritating, but not the sort that kill a vehicle. CR says regularly that major engine problems are very rare now until cars have a lot of miles on them. You're not going to drive that far in five years, even if you take a lot of trips. A Highlander might have fewer repairs, but the Kia warranty is better.
@@markmiller3279 good points. Another from CR is the first year of a redesign can be problematic. Our other car is a 2014 Subaru Legacy, the last year before the 2015 redesign. It has been flawless.
Alex, can you tell the OEM tire brand on all your reviews moving forward? It just males us the future buyers informed if this is good fit for the vehicle. Good post!
Why would you not buy a vehicle based on wear items like tire brand... you can easily change that lol.
@@zoe7657 it's not on the tire Brand I buy!. I have bought over 30+ vehicles since 1981. All new...Ford Cobras to communter cars. I said OEM tires on the wehicles that were equipped from the factory. Many times manufactures don't install the best tires for that vehicle. I purchase on horsepower and comfort!
@ good thing it's an easy fix.
Brand and model are not meaningful to most viewers. Most brands make a pretty broad range of qualities, so just knowing that it's a Hankook instead of a Kumho isn't going to tell most people much at all. Only geeks will know what the specific model designation means, and they can easily look up that info online if they want to.
The Sorento is beautiful looking, but Kia's (and Hyundai's) poor resale / residuals make the car very costly on a lease. For an SX Turbo X-Line at $44k, they wanted $750 a month for a 36 month/10k mile lease. Ended up going with an Ascent Touring, which costs more ($48k) but ended up being $200 less per month for the same lease terms. Can't beat Subaru's resale value.
Yeah, but all Hyundais and Kias are rated at the top today by Consumer Reports and recommended. The Ascent got it's recommendation dropped recently.
@@normt430 Consumer Reports recommends a large number of cars. Reliability has to be average or better and the road test score likewise. It's meaningful, but not a very exclusive club.
I leased a Santa Fe Calligraphy (admittedly, ordered in February) for $565. This includes ALL costs: taxes, fees, tags, etc and zero down. Now dealers are simply ripping people off because....... they can!
@@markmiller3279 CR's data reporting has improved over the years and their detailed reviews about ergonomics and living with a car seem to be spot on as we average one new car every 18 months or so. We don't agree on price/ value as the cost to purchase the Korean's and domestics are much less than the Japanese. The quality gap has a closed to the point it is moot.
@@axion8788 did you pay MSRP? Trade-in?
No memory seats and memory mirrors is a deal breaker for anyone with multiple drivers in the family.
No. Not really
A disappointment I agree (and I own a 2018 Sorento with each of those features along with others no longer available.) But a "deal breaker?" I think not.
Why doesn't Alex compare the Sorento to a Santa Fe? It's basically the sister car from Hyundai. (edit: I meant it in the first part of the video)
Very, very few reviewers compare the Sorento and Santa Fe. Though I'm sure it's not a requirement to avoid comparisons I suspect that neither brand encourages (and may discourage) direct comparisons.
@@stephenhendricks103 Weird...
what type Fuel in turboed version?
I have the model Alex reviewed. It uses regular, 87 octane.
@@jeffweeber523 better performance with premium?
@@Drogos79 I haven't tried, but I don't think so. I don't think kia has a high performance tune for higher octane.
@@Drogos79 No. I have the Hyundai Calligraphy and it is a ROCKET burning regular.
Where is your Bronco driving impressions video Alex?
It's luxury.
Honda's Passport would have been another comparable, albeit two rows only.
Alex, I think your videos are informative , However, It is delivered in too Much Rapid Fire manner... It leaves me almost dizzy...
Love to see this Kia vs. the Acura RDX Advance with SH-AWD (one of the absolute best in the business).
Try watching a video more than once. The wealth of information is worth the effort.
sadly sold with huge mark-ups
Beware! Our X line transmission failed at only 3,900 miles. It’s still at the dealer waiting for Kia to ship a replacement trans. 👎
Another great review! The one thing I can’t stand, the light gray headliner fabric 🤦🏼♂️ previous higher end trims came with black, which dresses up the entire interior. It really makes it feel even more premium with black.