Mazda's New Mainstream SUV Is Confused, And That's Part Of The Charm | 2023/2024 Mazda CX-50 Review
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Mazda said years ago they were moving up-market, yet they continue to push value as one of the main reasons to consider their CUVs and SUVs. Is that a flaw when the value portion of the equation impacts a core Mazda value like handling? The CX-50 is a solid example of this internal conflict. They finally gave it wider tires, but the lack of an independent rear suspension really prevents serious drivers from cross-shopping it with Acura or Lincoln. That said... There's a lot to love about the 2.5L turbo model and I'd probably buy it before I bought a Lexus NX...
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0:00 - Introduction
0:48 - Styling
1:49 - Dimensions
3:28 - It's all about the turbo
5:34 - Seats and interior
13:41 - On road evaluation
20:10 - How does it compare?
27:09 - Conclusion - Авто та транспорт
Alex, love your videos. One thing that all auto reviewers fail to recognize is that once you live with a car as us mortals do, you begin to appreciate Mazdas dial. They’re one of the few companies that do infotainment dials right and sadly no reviewer ever has their cars long enough to see what us owners actually go through (I’m a former owner, and my wife had one too) . Once you learn it, it’s hands down easier than having to look down at a screen and press a capacitive button on a touchscreen. Not only easier but it’s safer too. Put yourself in our shoes for once. Imagine living with any of these cars for years as we all do and it’ll start to give you a slightly different perspective.
It's not that great. They limit the number of items in things like playlists and contacts. I have two Mazdas. My Miata's unit is dog slow. I can be a mile down the road and it's still booting. The CX-5 is better but still not instant on like you'd get in a Kia or a VW. On the CX-5 with android auto you have to go through several steps to full screen a window. Do I hate it? No, but do I love it? Also No
I never understood the complaints about the dial. It is quite good,and most times I would use Siri for navigation/music. It is certainly less distracting than using a touch screen like on my wife's Sierra. I appreciate that sometimes you just want to click on a button and be done with it, but the dial is pretty easy to use.
@@tomdoe1234I call BS. My 2023 MX5 RF boots fully by the time I’ve backed out of the driveway and put it in first gear.
@@davidedwards4720 My apple is a 2021 don't compare it to your orange
@@tomdoe1234 Perfectly legitimate for me to compare it because you did not provide any model year to give your slam comment any appropriate context. The model above is a brand new one, as is my 23 MX-5 RF. Our boot time experience is far more relevant since buyers want to know how it is on new models, not your ancient '21 model.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I don’t care about what razor thin slice of the market Mazda is trying to capture with 3 different vehicles taking up more or less the same kind of vehicle in the CX30, CX50, and CX 5. Mazda has the best driving dynamics and luxury interiors for its given price point. I’ve owned a RAV 4, CRV, and I’m on my 4th Mazda. The brand, in general, is so woefully underrated. It’s sad. Do me a favor if you took the time to read this far, get one. The brand deserves way more credit as a manufacturer than it gets.
I love the CX-50. I never drove one, but I've built tens of thousands. Yes. I work at MTM in Alabama where it is built. Of course I want a better job within my education but it is satisfying to see these on the road.
Do all the 2024s have the suspension and steering changes, or does that only start with the models built in November?
I second the hourly pay question...
Thank you sir. I love mine.
You folks in Alabama make a damn good car! Happy with my CX-50 and chose it over the Ford Bronco Sport for a variety of reasons, one reason is the Mazda is made in the USA and the Bronco Sport is made in Mexico.
I still can’t find a reviewer who didn’t shit on Mazda’s non touch screen and controls. Mazda does the right thing and everyone demands an IPad built into the dash. What’s wrong with you 😂
100% agree... I'm in tech my whole life and this coms from the same people that complain that Macbooks don't have touchscreen....
These technologies should be applied where it's needed... I'm between CX-50 and XC-40 and the stupid google tablet on the XC-40 drove me away from the get-go.
I own a CX-5 2017 upgraded to Apple Carplay myself changing the module and it's absolutely amazing... I've never had a problem-free dash in any other brand.
Our Mazda CX50 drives like a German car without all the maintenance nightmares. The fit and finish is excellent.
I’m very happy with the fit and finish on my CX 50 too!
Surprisingly yes
It doesn't lmao. It's shaky af, nowhere near the smooth drive of German cars. It's more quiet than the cheap alternatives, but certainly still not as quiet as most German cars.
@@alb0zfinest true
Lmao do German cars have a torsion beam and a noisy cabin?
I love the control knob! Way easier and safer while in motion than the touch screen in my other vehicle.
Agree I love it, my wife loves it. It feels premium and once you get used to it your eyes are still on the road and not scrolling apps. Never understood the hate of the knob.
I have a mazda 3 and Cx-5, the knob is the bane of my existence. Worst part about the car by far. I know 5 others with mazdas and nobody likes it, they tolerate it but have all asked “how di i enable the touch screen?”
@@hondajohn6948you dont get touchscreen in the mazda infotainment system outside of apple carplay or android auto. And for the driver to reach the screen you will have to stretch as the screen is recessed in the dash.
Yes definitely way safer to fumble around on CarPlay with a control knob than just press the damn button on the screen
Or….just use voice commands activated from the steering wheel button….doh
The cargo area is much more useful than a RAV4 though. The extended depth is much nicer to have than extra height when you have larger objects like a stroller.
I had a CX50 loaner car for the day and have to say that it was very nice. Drove like a car, felt peppy, and was elegantly nice (like a Volvo) inside. If you are looking for cars, be sure to test drive a Mazda and you will see how they are “premium” in comparison to a Toyota or Honda.
Was that a turbo?
But...BUT...Mazda's line of vehicles, though nice and of good quality...also TEND TO RUN SMALLER AND WITH WORSE VISIBILITY FROM THE ALL IMPORTANT DRIVER'S SEAT than Honda and Toyota's (and Hyundai/KIA'S...) line of corresponding vehicles, so I strongly suggest you test drive every vehicle you're considering buying prior to making your decision. Good luck!
Test drove the cx-50 recently, was not impressed. Driver assist was rudimentary, interior felt dated, and the drive experience was just fine. The Subaru Forester and Outback had much better driving experience.
Yes, I have had on my CX 50 since December 2022, and I am really enjoying it!
Yeah not really even close to Volvo like inside. Maybe a 2004 Volvo S40.
No way, I love the direction Mazda is going as a premium main stream brand like Volvo. In fact, Jason Cammisa of Hagerty, called the CX-50s steering the best steering in a main stream vehicle, even better than a Porsche 911 GT3. Only real enthusiast drivers will appreciate steering like that every other driver will call it too heavy. And I hope Mazda wants to still attract enthusiasts
I just bought a cx-50 select, I had a cx-5 and loved the 50 more. I think the one thing about the suspension is that the rougher ride is not from the torsion beam, it’s the rims. I got out of a lower end cx-5 to a lower end cx-50 with 17 inch rims and I could not tell the ride difference at all. The bigger tires and smaller rims make a huge difference! Alex, when you test a 2024 cx-50, please test a lower end model with 17 inch rims, the ride is dramatically better with that extra 1.5 inch sidewall!
This obsession with large tires is just dumb. Car and Driver looked at the effects of larger rims back in May 2010, and it was basically all downside for day to day driving. Going from 15" rims to 19" rims with the same outside diameter resulted in 10% increase in fuel consumption and 4% slower 0-60 times. Unsprung weight increased by 14lbs each wheel/tire combo, couple that with lower, stiffer sidewalls and ride deteriorates, like you said.
Forgot to mention, lower profile tires are of course more expensive, while also being more prone to wheel and tire damage.
Man you can say that AGAIN.
@@SirOsisofLiver Big rims also mean you'll be buying a set of 4 tires EVERY OTHER YEAR on average. Big rims are insanely impractical!
@@SirOsisofLiver Lots of mid sized ev like the Arya come now with standard 19'' rim . Stupid thing especially on these 5000 lbs ev it won't be cheap to replace often
@SirOsisofLiver I passed on a cx5 GT. With 19 in tires and bought a touring with 17 in tires because I live in Pennsylvania plus 19 in cost 100.00 more
Works for me. I had accord coupes for years. Tried a CRV and hated it, so I traded for rav4. I loved the looks of the Rav but it was numb and boring to drive.
Enter the cx50. I love its looks, and the interior. That paired with being fun af to drive and I’m thrilled. Finally someone got it right.
And I love the dial and screen set up. It’s classy and non intrusive. I am here to drive, not stare at a screen.
My father in law asked for a vehicle recommendation to replace his Ford Escape. I said to look at Mazda and see what strikes him. He ended up getting a new midrange CX5, and was very thankful for my suggestion. Personally I think the exterior is nicer than the CX50 (I'm not sold on that cladding), but the interiors on both are probably the best at that price. His also has the smaller wheels with higher-profile tires, which I think is a good choice considering the roads in their town.
I think both models look great!
Cx5 is very bloated and minivan like. Pertains mostly to overweight moms imo.
@@pobster88j94 OK edgelord... 🙄
CX-5 better for taller drivers. Looks better, too.
I am having a hard time believing that
1. The rear suspension is not good to a degree you should be worried about it.
2. That most driver could even tell the difference between suspensions, especially with same tires and wheels.
To me it reminds me as a Japanese Volvo. 5000 miles , 4 months of ownership and I still look back after I park it.
I feel like this will probably wind up being a sleeper pick, but the loss of an under $30k base trim will probably be a deal breaker for many customers (even though yes I know it comes with a lot of nice stuff). Somehow I get the sense that some of these will sit on the lot for a while then become better bargains next year.
To be fair, the “base trim” for the 2023 CX-50 only existed on paper as it was never produced. The “base trim” had been the $34K Preferred Plus for a long time until they started making the $31K Select a few months ago.
But they are not new. We looked at one at the dealer in April oh last year.
You can get the CX-5 under 30. My wife was looking for a new car and there were two of them under 30K. We ended up buying the top non turbo trim for 38K sticker and got 1,500 off sticker. We looked at CR-V first and the Honda dealers wanted 4-5K over sticker and wouldn't budge down much at all. The best we could get off similar trim CR-V was around 44K. For 36.5 vs 44K it was a no brainer to go with the Mazda. Very happy with the choice so far the CX-5 drives beautifully. We did test drive a CX-50 back to back and they drive the same so I'm sure that would be a great choice too.
2019 Mazda3 owner with the current-gen rotary knob, and i love it. It's the safest infotainment system on the market. It can be operated smoothly and quickly. The combo of the infotainment system and HUD make this an effective and safe setup, which allows your eyes to never dip below the dash.
Quiet is very important to me. So I really appreciate that you include that measurement and you mention the decibel level. Would be nice if you put the decibel level in the 'noise' box!
Agree about the suspension! It’s a deal breaker when Mazda is trying to sell their car as “sporty”.
As far as crossovers, it is sporty.
@@imdone1965 The Cx-5 is a better sporty crossover.
@oi32df the CX-50 is more "sporty". The CX5 is for soccer moms...
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Best car reviews. Been relying on Alex for years to know what to buy and what to recommend to friends.
Alex, Mazda may or may not be "trying to juggle too many balls" 0:34 but you were certainly 'walking a tightrope' in your effort to provide a diplomatic evaluation of the CX-50. I will be more blunt, the Torture Beam Rear Suspension® ain't gonna cut it and the lowered headroom is a joke. So there! 🤨
I love the sport wagon look at the CX 50!
Even with the cheaper rear suspension it’s still tops in the segment
The only thing I dislike is it only touchscreen when CarPlay or android auto is on, they think it’s “less distracting” than a touchscreen instead they use a knob. At least it’s better than Acuras touchpad which originated from most Lexus vehicles.
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 yeah but at least that’s the only negative
Yea and I don't need to use a pin to use my infotainment screen or pay subscription for maps like Toyota does smh
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 the newer interface yes. But not their older Entune 3. I personally hate the new interface. The old Entune 3 w CarPlay and android auto was so much better
@@naveenthemachine I get a lot of returning customer at a Toyota dealership I work at trust me the number one complaint is that new infotainment system on most new Toyotas, and the stupid app u have to download for it to work properly, its not optional. Some of them rather trade the car back in for something else and that seems to be the case here.
the knobs are controls are the best... initially I thought its a pain without touchscreen.. but the buttons and knobs turned out to be the best after 2-3 weeks of driving
Your reviews are top-notch, Alex. Love the formats, presentation, and editing.
I asked myself the same questions a year ago and ended up settling with the CX5. I think it's more premium than the cx50 and better for me as taller guy. The rear suspension does make difference imho.
Also I do prefer using the knob while driving, you just don't need to take your eyes out of the road. It is just bad for when you have to tap the address you're looking for at the gps, but I always do that while stopped and only use Android Auto, so I can tap in my phone. Not a big deal
Got a Mazda 3 as loaner for my Mazda 6. The rear suspension is definitely noticable on speed bumps, dips and rough pavement. With its already firmer suspension, like most Mazdas, it would be a deal killer for me.
Interesting because I own a 2019 Mazda3 Manual Hatchback and its the smoothest car I’ve ever driven on the highway. You might be right about rough roads but on the highway the suspension is amazing. Almost like a true luxury car. Even on most mild to moderately bad roads it’s not even that much worse. I would say only on the worst roads does the torsion beam rear suspension fall out of asleep.
@@Maxfli82 My gen 3 mazda 3 honesty rode way better, that was an insane car for what I paid ($23k for GT sedan/manual). Plus it had way more rear headroom than even the gen 4 hatch does. The spec sheet says only about half an inch but my head was against the ceiling in the Gen 4 while I could fit 6'4" adults in my gen 3 sedan.
Because there are fewer parts, the torsion beam setup is generally more durable than a multi-link setup. It also requires fewer bushings. Down the road, fewer wear and tear components will need to be replaced.
This is why they put it on the 50.
Tougher suspension for off road.
That is what the 50 was supposedly made for right?
@@imdone1965
Sad to see 4 cv joint in the rear with that torsion beam, as well put a live axle like on a jeep for sturdiness .When I see this set-up ( 4 cv joint without IRS ) it always reminds me the set-up of the first chrysler 4x4 minivan
But this video has nothing to do with a Mazda 3 or 6 though, right??
Nice video! Thak you. What I saw in this CX50 is a new reinterpretation of the CX7.
I have a Turbo Meridian. My biggest complaint is the fuel economy and ride quality over rough surfaces. I’m getting like 16-18 MPG with 50/50 city and highway driving, though admittedly I’m constantly in traffic and drive quite hard. (Can you blame me tho? It’s so fun to drive!!) Driving over bumps also makes the entire car shake.
Otherwise, I love my car. Have no issue with the infotainment system. Love love love the steering feel and torquey engine. The terracotta interior is gorgeous. And the exterior is beautiful as well. I have had so many compliments on the look of my car lol
no go premium is the complete package at these prices or shove it off to the side. Not worth it!
I have had my CX50 Turbo for 2 months now.
I absolutely love this car.
There is nothing in this price point that comes anywhere close to the amount of car you get with the cx50
Just got one last week!
Its width is bizarre. It bulges at the wheel wells in a way I haven’t gotten used to. It’s a shame because I think the grill is a great evolution of the CX-5’s style. It’s the best looking grill in Mazda’s lineup
''Its width is bizarre'' : but above all = useless , all the interior dimensions ( hiproom shoulder room, etc ) ,are smaller than the cx-5 which is 3'' less wide.
I know you are not a fan of the infotainment system. I drive a 2029 F150, King Ranch. My wife drives a 2022 Maxda CX9 Signature. I much prefer the Mazda’s infotainment system. No reaching to the screen and something I use a lot in both vehicles Is the NAV. Twisting the Mazda knob to zoom in and out trumps a touch screen. The more I drive the Mazda the more I prefer it’s infotainment over the King Ranch.
Physical gauges, knobs, and buttons are nice. I really don’t understand the desire to put touchscreens in cars.
Test drove this a couple weeks ago and was really impressed.....however next vehicle will be hybrid! Hope they get it to market soon!!!
Poor use of space and poor fuel efficiency is the major frustration for me on the cx-50. I also wish manufacturers would stop putting too big of wheels on tip trims. At least some amount of rubber is necessary for an acceptable ride. And that lack of rear independent suspension.. when he’s saying “if you’re on a less than perfect road like this” I’m thinking… that road looks 100x better than anything within 90 miles of me. I hope they continue to tweak some things for this model.
My family rented a late-model Mazda3 on a trip, and my sister and her boyfriend didn't like the infotainment system just because it didn't have a touchscreen. They always touched the screen to manipulate the navigation screen and I had to remind them about the navigation knob. They said that they won't buy a Mazda vehicle just because of that feature.
I'm glad that Mazda made the phone projection-based part of the infotainment system touch-based, while I also see how they want people to use the navigation knob for the infotainment system, especially while driving.
To me, the CX-50 doesn't really improve on the aspects lacking in the CX-5, but adds negatives in the questionable seat design (up the crack seam), less cohesive interior, and that cost-cutting torsion beam rear suspension. And then to top it off, it costs more than the CX-5. I don't want the cosplay of big plastic cladding all over the place either, so...
Thanks Alex! This vehicle sounded really good to me but a few things would make me wait to see what they do with it. 1) poor infotainment system, which is increasing.y becoming a problem, 2) 6 speed vs 8 speed, 3) lack of independent rear suspension, 4) hybrid option.
Driving a 23, but claiming this is a 24 review. The 24 has a nice ride update, without sacrificing the fun factor.
I cross shop the CX-50 against the Outback, CRV, RAV4, and CX-5. The CX-5 has better put together interior, IRS, and overall better price. I didn’t care for the panoramic moon roof nor the front passenger air vent in the CX-50. Everything in the front seemed to be off center a bit and not the driver focus that I hope for. At the end I bought the CX-5 instead. I know it’s an older design but it’s still hold up well against the competitions (except for volume). The fit and finish on the Cx-5 is much better than the CRV I sampled at a much lower price. It’s no wonder that it still sells in large volume. Mazda needs to rethink their product strategy. Their recent North American products have not been as good as it used to. Sure the CX-90 is really nice but it has not been the home run product that the brand had hope. I wish Mazda well since this is the second Mazda I purchased. I am no brand loyalist but I am looking forward for their future vehicles.
Yep, interior symmetry is horrific in the CX-50. Also no usb c ports in 2023.
You said you also tested the Outback. What are your thoughts about it v. the CX-5? I’m looking at both right now so would be good to hear your opinion. Thanks!
@@LookingGlass24 although the Outback has a bit more cargo space, it does not have as many features for my money. I really wanted the Bose stereo and power lift gate. I had to jump to a premium trim to get them. I am also not a big fan of the Outback’s driving dynamics and touch screen. Everyone’s buying priorities are different. Hope that helps..
Def hate having to touch any screen when perfectly good knobs are right there. I'll keep my screen smudge free tyvm and the Mazda switch gear feels great anyways.
This was an excellent video. Thank you!
I, too, was a little perplexed as to why Mazda opted for the torsion bar instead of the independent rear suspension. Cost, for one, sure- but I look at it as a potential money saver down the road, as there are fewer bushings and couplings that can rust out and need replacing.
The pano sunroof definitely should open all the way, like in my CX5. I don't mind the infotainment dial, only because I'm used to it.
The CX50 OEM Eagle touring tires are not the greatest for longevity, similar to the Toyo A36 they use on the CX5. Smooth ride because they're on the softer side but for snow? An upgrade is warranted.
The Heads Up display is a cool feature but can be distracting. I'll have to see if it can be dimmed or at least moved out of straight/direct line of sight.
None of these issues kept me from putting up the down payment, though. In fact, I pick up my 2023 black CX50 Turbo Premium this coming Wednesday!
I LIKE that they're keeping popular designs---- if something is GOOD-- DON"T Fix it!!!! I'm sick of these stupid companies thinking everything has to be NEW and better every year or sooner. I use LINUX on computer and you can't even get a distro installed and configures except what it hasn't ALREADY upgraded and changed before you finish doing that.. it's STUPID. NEWER IS NOT necessarily BETTER either.. as many think.
The answer is just buy a CX-5 with the independant rear before it's gone.
It's not going anywhere. It's getting refreshed in 2025.
I have read that the CX5 will be getting a refresh for 2025-and staying in the lineup.
The headache with this car is the select and premium models are rarely available. The premium plus is usually what is offered.
I am truly flummoxed as to why so many auto journalists bash on Mazda about the lack of an IRS and an "ancient" six speed automatic. The vast majority of buyers dont drive at 9/10s or even 6/10s. We sit in traffic on I-5 instead. Quiet, comfortable, and easy to operate is paramount. Admittedly, Mazda is stubbornly sticking to the screen control know, which is ridiculous in 2023 to most buyers. But again, Mazda feels that the driver should be focused on driving... even while sitting in bumper to bumper gridlock on the freeway. Maddening, I know. 😮
Because an 8-speed would give you better fuel economy and better low end performance on I5 in traffic...
That center console/shifter area is so bad thanks to the dial control for the infotainment. Also still using a 6-speed transmission?! The hybrid version of this can't come soon enough.
Great video. NO HYBRID! Toyota and Honda both offer popular hybrid versions. Mazda is missing a large segment of buyers for compact SUV’s.
I agree, I think Mazda have some great options in their lineup but a hybrid would be great especially in this segment. Although they are a small company.
I know the CX-90 PHEV is available but that’s a whole step up in size and price.
But the hybrid rav4 is nowhere near as good as the cx50
Really like the pros/cons chart!
The gauges look great - highly functional, classic layout. No, they may not seem as "snazzy" for some...
Great review for the time. The infotainment can be adjusted to full touch screen by going deep into the settings. The suspension has been tuned. Hybrid is coming out in 2025 all likely changing your scores and resulting in a very positive direction for the CX-50.
Amazing review Alex!
I recently got a 2024 Mazda CX-5 Turbo as I liked it over the CX-50. I found the CX-5 nicer on the interior, the seats more comfortable and I won't be venturing off road and rarely if ever on dirt or gravel roads. It took a week or two to get used to the rotary knob controls for the infotainment. Now I like it. I even find myself reaching for the control knob when I'm in our other car, which is a 2017 Toyota Camry with touch screen. I think if you are comfortable using a computer, you will probably like and even prefer the rotary knob after a short learning curve. It's the same type of hand eye coordination as using a mouse without looking at the mouse. But everyone is different. Spend some time like a half hour sitting in Mazda at the dealership and see if you think you can get used to it. Interestingly I tried the TouchPad system in the Acura RDX and decided it wouldn't work for me. The Mazda controls are rotary of course so they are different. Also the 2024 Mazda models have the option to enable touch screen for apple carplay/android auto and if you have one of those apps you will problably spend a lot of time using that interface.
I wonder how much it would cost to modify the cx-5 so it doesnt look so boring, wait thats the purpose of the cx-50 nevermind
I always thought the 6 speed auto in my 2013 CX5 shifted pretty fast. Ive been driving it in the pocono mountains for 12 years and use the manual feature a lot to slow down and speed up while saving the brakes.
I’d add that for me personally, I think I’d much rather go with an RDX SH-AWD base + tech. It’s a bit more at $46k but they give you a lot of stuff in the RDX even starting with the base. And I love the way sh-awd drives (technically i-vtm4 in my Honda). If I could do without navigation and real leather, the $43k base RDX is very tempting.
My wife has a 2021 CX-30. She loves it. I drive a 2020 RDX SH-AWD Tech. The audio system interface is the only real complaint with the RDX. I occasionally find it infuriating yet, even though I don’t drive the CX-30 that often, Mazda’s rotary knob is much easier to use. However, the RDX is REALLY fun to drive and makes a far superior road trip car.
I cross-shopped the CX50 before buying my RDX. CX50 is very good package but deal breaker was lack of thigh support on seat.
@@mj8495 thinking back, I had a CX-50 as a service loaner once. I had thigh support issues also. The seat, as well as the seat in the CX-30, has limited range of adjustments available as compared to my RDX Tech.
I have to disagree with you on that because the model RDX you’re talking about doesn’t have rain sensing wipers like on the CX 50, doesn’t have a head up display like my CX 50 has, no power folding mirrors like my CX 50. Now, I don’t have the turbo CX50 so the RDX is going to be up on power compared to my CX 50!
That screen size is CRAZY for a brand new model
This thing has everything that could dethrone the Rav4 as the best-selling SUV in America, except for a hybrid/plug-in hybrid powertrain! In typical Mazda fashion, always doing things half-baked... 🤦♂
On the Rav4 Hybrid commentary: you aren't considering that even in your own backyard every Toyota dealer is adding $4-$6k 'distributor and dealer market adjustments' on Rav4 Hybrids - which lands you at nearly $50,000. And you can get a CX-50 for MSRP (or slightly less) - THOUSANDS less than the Toyota.
You have the most comprehensive and subjective reviews. Appreciate your in depth knowledge of vehicles.
Should probably just get the cx5 turbo with the independent suspension and slightly taller roofline.
CX5 turbo is a suv mvp at its price point.
You mention the Buick in the beginning which I totally get but it wasn't included anywhere in your overall size comparison chart? I am guessing you are referring to the Buick Encore GX?
More the Envision as it's closer in size. Encore is more or less CX-30 sized
Performance is great but it needs an improvement in MPG's. As you stated an 8 speed trans is needed here which would improve many things. The independent rear is also needed as well. At its price point against the competition it should have both. I feel it falls just a touch short without those two things (IMO).
I'd go CX5. And Imam an outlier -- love the infotainment knob which keeps my eyes on the road.
My main concern is whether that rear suspension kills the fun as much as the current 3 vs the previous Mazda 3 did. If so, then it’s a bad development from the CX5.
Yes, it's the same kind of fun kill only on a SUV rather than a sedan
Looks like a solid option to have in someone's list, shopping for a 5 passenger Crossover.
I've been leasing Mazdas since May of 2016. I started with a 2016 Mazda3 hatchback Touring 2.0. In March 2018 I went to a 2018 CX-5 AWD Touring, following in June 2020 to a CX-5 FWD Touring (Florida, no snow, so I felt AWD wasn't necessary). On November 28, 2022 I leased a 2023 CX-50 Preferred Plus AWD. Is the CX-50 better than the CX-5, IMHO yes and no. I like the greater interior length and width. I miss the better door windows on the CX-5 (better noise suppression). I feel that the lower/wider stance of the CX-50 results in less body roll than the CX-5. I don't feel much difference in the rider quality with the different rear suspension. As for the touch screen infotainment system, it works as a touch screen at lower speeds. Above that I think it is better that it doesn't work as a touch screen as it can be a distraction (like using a hand-held cell phone while driving...wait, isn't using a rotary knob the same problems?).
I got a GT Turbo (Canada) 2 weeks ago and love it.
Hope that doesn't bite them in the butt. Everyone don't want a rugged car. Good to have the CX5 which I chose. If they stop making the Cx5 I will buy the Rav. I was hoping for a redesign and hoping they make Sirius XM standard on ALL trims.
We recently bought a CX-5. Not sure I understand the point of CX-50. There really isn't much difference. Test drove both and they felt the same to me. We ended up with the CX-5 because they had one with the options and in the color we liked but if those options/color had been in the CX-50 would have got that. I didn't do any research they only had 2023 CX-5 and the CX-50s were all 2024 so I figured it was the new version.
Some reviewers felt the seam at the middle of the seat bottoms, however they were not wearing jeans. My favorite part of Mazdas is the steering feel. The price, looks and reliability are also good.
Hasn’t bothered me in nine months of ownership!
I have been driving a 2015 Mazda 3 for 9 years and I love the control knob.
Haven't driven a CX50 yet but drove my son's CX5 halfway across the US and absolutely loved it. The cruise assist was much better than my Honda Ridgeline RTL-E on the interstate and just as quiet. I'm not sold on the turbo though. 6 speed transmission is the way to go and love how Mazda stayed with it. Much less problems and cost to fix. Infotainment is easy to get used to and it makes sense. All the dash buttons and knobs don't clutter everything and leaves the interior clean and expensive looking. Mazda has found a good niche in the market especially when most are made in Japan. They just care more about their work.
I owned a CX5 Turbo and test drove the CX50 Turbo thinking that the larger car would be more comfortable. Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with the driving dynamics compared to the CX5. I ended up buying a Kia K5 GT plus the $4k option package for my bigger, more comfortable vehicle and on my 28 mile highway loop got 39mpg. 0-60mph in 5.5 seconds ain't bad either !!!
KIA K5 is a sedan...
While possible to mix fuel grades, I highly recommend feeding any engine like this with high octane fuel 91/93.
The combination of turbo induction/high piston compression(10.5)/direct fuel injection, will not play well with low quality fuel over many miles.
Quality fuel + quality oil + timely maintenance = happy engine.👍
I agree with all the points. However, I am looking for a hybrid and good fuel economy car. So I will pass on cx50 as is. 😔
I came to love the rotor control for the infotainment system from Mazda. Once you get use to it the systems in very intuitive and Mazda did a perfect job of locating the rotor. I find that I have learned the system so well that I can do most things with only a very brief look at the screen and in some cases without looking at the screen at all. The Mazda rotary system reminds me of the system in an Audi I had but better than Audi's. Sometimes if I want to use a specific app, I use Apple CarPlay which works as a touch screen. The one beef I have with Mazda is that their radios do not offer SiriusXM. I am seriously looking at purchasing a CX-50 Turbo Premium. The turbo is more fun for the money than the law allows.
I have a cx5 and love the handling. Wondering if the CX-70 inline 6 will be a better car
Most likely. It will also cost more tho.
Mission goal is frighteningly similar to Oldsmobile, Pontiac or Mercury. We need value cars that are durable and practical not more $40K+ options.
Base price for this Mazda is $31k. It's up to the consumer to pick the variant that fits their budget.
@jdm1039 True, however manufacturers and dealers dictate what is available on lots with a strong preference for higher option models - before considering markups and location dependent destination fees. If you can order what you want and have it sold at MSRP great. Deletion of base S trim is good indicator of pricing goals. See also Corolla Cross at $30K+ and Maverick hybrid now the added cost model, EV blazer deletion of base trim, etc.
@edisontrent5244 I understand and agree with your point too. In my area (Upstate NY) I see a variety of trims. Not everything is the more expensively equipped versions.
I recently put a deposit down on a CX-5 that hasn't arrived at the dealership. I actually wanted the Signature but they only had one available and I did not like the color. They had plenty of the lower end CX-5 but limited CX-50 inventory and most of that was turbos or higher end non turbo. I drove both and prefer the exterior looks of the 50 more but the 5 seemed more refined and I preferred the interior more.
@edisontrent5244 bought a cx50 prefered plus for 32k. Hard to beat for the price.
@imdone1965 In that case based on comments maybe Mazda has some better options. I am interested in a crosstrek but to get the features I want bump it into a price bracket where it makes sense to just get the next bigger models.
Which has better highway Road noise, soft suspension for passengers in rear seats, especially kids?
How noise compares to Honda CRV Hybrid 2024 vs Mazda CX5 Signature Turbo 2024?
I think the choice of the torsion beam rear suspension was made to increase cargo/ towing capacity and for better off road ability. After driving both the CX-50 and CX-5 I honestly don't notice much difference in the real world handling between the IRS and the torsion beam.
I don't understand this whining about the infotainment. It's not like Mazda has the first to come up with such a system. Most of the premium brands have such a system. Even some very expensive cars like Aston Martin's do not have touch screen because they use a similar controller based system. Why? Because they are driver focused cars and such a system is 100% better during driving than any touch screen based interface can ever be. Everything I, and probably majority of people, do during driving, is easier with the central controller. All the common tasks like changing music albums or playlists, scrolling through phone contacts, switching between Waze, music and messaging apps, is better done with the controller than with touch screen. I can go at 150km/h on a highway and still comfortably scroll through my albums list without being much distracted. With touch it's literally impossible as I would have to lean forward, and look away from the road (because the screen is put more on the side to be reachable) and either tap many times on the screen or try to drag the menu to scroll.
Whining about not having a touch screen is such a plebeian complaint made by phone junkies. All the driving oriented premium cars have a similar system to Mazda. So it begs the question if those reviewers even drive cars.
I love the rotary knobs and the steering.
This man knows cars!
...I never quite understood all the complaints with the infotainment system when a few yrs back both BMW & AUDI were using them in their vehicles, ( which MAZDA copied )...and not once did I hear or read about complaints of using a knob to control your radio and maps. Why? bcs we're talking about $50k plus vehicles combined with the prestige of driving them. But when MAZDA does it, complaints out the wazoo! I owned both a BMW and 2 MAZDA products, and have no problem with the infotainment.
The CX-5 has never been a favorite of mine looks-wise . . . it's a little egg-shaped for my taste. The CX-50 makes the Mazda style language look much better, not out of date as far as I'm concerned.
Love Mazda and was considering the Mazda 3 hatch until I found out it had a 1970's torsion beam rear suspension. Bad move Mazda. I'll stick with my Mini Clubman, which has been completely reliable for almost 60K, averaging 28 city/highway while being great to drive and not just another box on the road.
Unfortunately it now costs over 30k for the base model
But Mazda makes it worth the cash
@@naveenthemachine Also, I don't believe that Mazda ever brought out the base trim for 2023. I think that the lowest trim sold this year has been the Select, so the cheaper base trim is meaningless.
That air vent placement is actually correct. Unlike other cars, where the centerline of the vents is at two different levels, Mazda keeps that centerline uniform across the entire car, only changing the shape of the vents to suit the location. It makes for a much more uniform feeling from the HVAC with no weird hot or cold spots.
Also, going with a torsion beam means that Mazda was able to really engineer the best torsion beam possible, instead of having a more expensive yet less well-optimized multilink.
Alex, I’d love to hear about resale value of Mazdas in general and annual cost of maintenance. A Lexus NX could be nicer but costs of repair could be much greater. As we all know, the purchase price of a vehicle is just one component if it’s overall cost to the consumer. I need to see those costs + resale value-This is something that car reviews need these days of great inflation. Thanks for your consideration. 👍 And to other watchers if this channel: how would you rate the Mazda dealership’s customer service and demeanor. Are they any different from Toyota, Subaru or Honda? Do tell!
The biggest barrier to the CX50 for me is the seat in the upper trims...the S Select and S Preferred seats are very comfortable...can we Please get the turbo engine in the lower trims with the more comfortable seats?
I just got one the only thing I don’t like is the steering wheel is so hard and skinny doesn’t feel good to me in hand. And also such MPG was better
Steering wheel covers are awesome. It feels so weird when I drive a car that doesn't have one now.
@@GruntsworthWhat type of steering wheel covers do you use? Do they age better than stock?
I live in the Silicon Valley and bought a brand new CX-30 several months ago. I have never owned or driven a car that I loved so much! This is a FANTASTIC vehicle! I came close to purchasing the CX-50; however, I didn't need something quite so big (for my daily driver). They are both similar and built on the same platform. If I bought another, I might pick the CX-50 -- because it's perfect for camping in the mountains and forests around us (in Northern California).
Thanks for sharing your experience! -Travis
Really a great assessment by Alex on the CX50. Also appreciate him bringing up the lack or IRS which weirdly most reviewers never mention. Lack of IRS at this price point is insulting. Cost cutting at its worse. I also find the new interior layout in the CX50 lazy and uninspiring. The CX5 is more premium inside and out. I find the CX50 offering very confusing and not premium. Americans will buy it because they buy anything that is a box on wheels but I think Mazda missed the mark
Totally agree about the interior. We drove both over the weekend and while I did like the way the 50 drove more like a car, I found it extremely cheap looking inside and out. We ended up with a CX5 turbo and so far my wife just loves it compared to the 2022 Sante Fe we traded in for it. The Sante Fe is a beautiful and comfortable car, but we couldn't deal with the push button transmission and the constant beaping even though almost everything was turned off. Stop start was also anoying as hell, something Mazda doesn't torture you with.
The seats on the top of the line cx-50 were terribly uncomfortable, that center strip… no go. I’d love to try a turbo model with the base seats and 18” wheels
This review mentioned the Subaru Outback; I think it understated the comparison. This is a Mazda Outback. All CX-50s have AWD. The CX-50 is longer and lower than a CX-5, just like an Outback compared to a Forester. It's a worthy competitor to an Outback.
Too bad, it doesn't have the 40/20/40 split bench like the CX-5, which give an edge against competition in term of cargo versatility.
The CX-50 is another perplexing Mazda vehicle. The exterior looks great in spite of the cladding and the fake rear air vents, but the interior looks subpar compared to the CX-5’s. The panoramic sunroof is a great addition, but it doesn’t open enough. The handling is decent, but it’s hampered by the rear suspension. Overall, though, I would still chose it over the competition because they don’t create the emotional buzz that it does.
Yep, all that roof glass and it opens 7 inches.
Mazda needs to pick a street and stay on it.
They were the Japanese driving excitement brand
Now, stay focused on being the Japanese Buick, premium mainstream brand
Nah. Mazdas not the Japanese Buick
Mazda makes much more fun cars than most Japanese brands have to offer
@@naveenthemachinethe only fun car Mazda makes is the Miata
@@bitbat9 the cx5 cx50 cx90 are not fun to drive?
@@naveenthemachineno they’re not
@@bitbat9 Have you driven them?
I was completely unaware that Mazda had low pricing as one of their goals. I found them to be way too pricey when I was trying to make a deal on a new CX-30 3 years ago. Needless to say we didn’t get very far. That particular vehicle’s is very small and way overpriced.
I would consider a CX50 if and when they add a hybrid option. This has a better feature layout than the CR-V in my opinion.
Nobody cares.