No this remote is only for the Avata, big FPV drone, or the drones you build yourself. The only one officially supported with the Mini 3 Pro would be the two DJI RCs, one with the screen and one without or the Motion 2 if you decide to go the route of FPV with the Goggles.
That’s strange…. When I disconnect my goggles my control link from the remote doesn’t drop off. I think the signal is going from that big antenna on the controller directly to the quad and not through the goggles for me at least
No longer have this remote but I heard that a firmware update after this video was made changed the behavior so that the remote no longer disconnects when the goggles disconnect. Everything else shown in the video is still valid.
My favorite controller is probably my ~10 year old Futaba. I use the FPV Controller 2 since it's the best option for the Avata. Hopefully the concerns are resolved with future firmware updates. Thanks for the video.
At the time of filming, yes, you actually lose the radio connection right before the video is lost. I hear that there has been a firmware update since that resolved this issue though. I no longer have this remote to verify.
Thank you for this I'm stuck with the DJI RC1 $300 is a BIG hit with little secondary market interest. I'd like to see DJI release a 2.4 ghz module to attach to the RC1 with all else necessary to work with the 03 AU. What surprises me is that you can still buy the RC1 for $300. Why would it not come way down in price like the V2 goggles? I suspect that DJI is helping retailers clear out inventory as I don't think you can buy the RC1 on the DJI store, any longer, at least not mode 2. If that holds true into the future, then it's safe to say DJI has abandoned ship on the RC1. I too am switching to TBS T2, for all the reasons you sighted; especially the gimbals. I had the potato for a couple of weeks, the RC2 is difficult to get used to; especially for something as powerful as the potato. We could always attach the TBS crossfire module to the DJI RC1, but it would still be big and bulky, and likely no longer supported, so...big hit. DJI just works, but can be limiting, and I suspect all of the hybrid system (backward compatibility). and the resultant compromises is DJI's way of steering us all toward the 03 system. DJI is a business, a very smart business. Ultimately, it seems inevitable to move everything up to 03. For me, TBS T2, and 03 air unit this year 2023, and Goggles 2 next year 2024. Unless I win the lottery. All into 03 up front: DJI 03 AU $229, new radio and receiver $200 to $250, Goggles 2 $649. That's $1,078 to 1,128 for what we already have. Is the range, penetration and image quality worth it? Possibly. So, start saving for 04, when it too will be inevitable.
Well said, they haven't even made the Vista compatible with the V2 goggles yet so perhaps there will be a Christmas miracle and we will get something for the black remote. I agree, no interest in the secondary market for the V1 goggles or the black remote. I suspect I'll take mine to the grave with me ;)
I have just bought the 03 plus Controller 2. Goggles, controller and air unit, all bound with latest firmware. I am using a MAMBA F722 with a plug designed for the air unit to just plug in. I have it set on MSP UART 3. I have video, OSD etc but the controller does not do anything. Its LEDs flash and when the Air unit connects the flashing goes solid green on the Controller but in the Betaflight Receiver tab nothing works like it does on my old Air units or other Express receivers. What is the trick to get this working?
Hey. Did you see this video? It’s about the Vista but same concept. Why won't my DJI FPV Controller 2 work with the Caddx Vista backwards compatibility firmware? ua-cam.com/video/tYomxAbQ7Vs/v-deo.html
@@Mangorille Yes I did. Eventually I went back to square 1 and reflashed the firmware aand reset up everytingg,and now it works. I do not know what changed but something did.
@@jaredmuniz4148 Definitely not. I run a 5" with 2207 motors on 4s and it performs really well with a gopro 7 black. You can see it in my videos under the freestyle playlist.
Im pretty new to this, but my dji controller v2 didnt work on my new iflight Cidora and i now bought the dji remote controller 1 for the dji vista.. that worked.. did you say that this controller wont work in the future on dji vista? Then what will work if the dji controller 1 og v2 dont.. what controller should you have then ?
Right now the controller 1 will only work with the vista and the goggles v1 and v2. The controller 2 will only work with the o3 and goggles v2/goggles 2 or the vista and goggles 2. Ultimately compatibility is a mess. This is why I myself went with a separate stand-alone remote control.
There is no record button on the Tango 2. Depending which button you use on the Tango 2 for arming, it's not a momentary switch but one that you push that stays pressed in.
Did you have any problems activating the Controller 2 Manual Mode in the goggles? My - Button Customisation menu doesn't work - won't let me access next menu in the new Goggles 2.
Good choice! I'm happy to see you going with a true and reliable link like TBS Crossfire. I have Crossfire and wanted to go to a smaller radio like DJI RC 2 radio but I trust Crossfire more and might need to look at the Tango 2 radio for the small package.
I love the crossfire, just struggling with the giant antenna. I've got some of the mini T coming and will test those out to see if it works okay for my type of flying.
Correct, the air unit is both a video transmitter and a remote control receiver so if you don't use the DJI remote you'd still need the air unit for the video transmission to the goggles and then another receiver for the remote control (here i use a crossfire nano receiver).
@@Mangorille so if I want to use the air unit in every dron I want to build it's perfectly possible to use my remote control 2 of DJI even if I want to build a long range?
@@MrsTatankaWhich air unit and goggles are you looking at? The remote controller 2 doesn't work with the previous generation. Also, how long range you talking about?
I'm going with the Tango. If they happen to make the black DJI radio work, I'll switch back to that one. I just can't get used to the DJI Controller 2 and some of the items mentioned (plus the range testing I did).
Thanks for the video as I m trying to learn what all I can do with the DJI FPV controller. so it looks like it will link/bind up and control any of the DJI Air units or like the vista units? it is kinda crazy you was able to have both remotes connected to the quad at the same time... Don't forget both are linked and leave one powered on for someone to pick up and start moving controls while flying that would be bad.
I didn't try having both powered on at the same time. There is specific compatibility for the DJI FPV Controller 2 and it is not fully backwards compatible. Which goggles and air unit do you have? ua-cam.com/video/tYomxAbQ7Vs/v-deo.html
@@Mangorille I have the Gray remote. The dji 2 controller I think is what it's called the PS looking one. And I ordered the geprc drone with the vista pro unit in it says it's PNP as I understand my remote is supposed to work with it. I'm used to mostly rtf packages that is how I purchased my DJI fpv drone with the V2 (bigger) goggles and remote three battery's charger and all.
@@epoweredrc Sorry to tell you but that combination is not supported. If you want to use the gray remote, you need the vista + goggles 2/goggles integra or the o3 + goggles v2/goggles 2/goggles integra.
@@Mangorille Thanks for the replies. I do have a spectrum Rx on the way also cause was afraid I couldn't use the current dji remote. I will just install it and use my current spectrum tx. I need to learn more about this tbs and crossfire everyone is talking about. I'm not looking for long range. Maybe the size of a football field. Mostly be flying around my house or local parks. I got the PNP model cause the other was just tbs. It's the Cinelog 35 HD w/ vista Nebula pro system what I ordered. Wonder if the main unit itself could be switched out for a 03 unit. Not sure witch way would be best.
Hey. The tango 2 uses a standalone control link called crossfire so that will be completely independent of the video link. You’ll need to buy a crossfire receiver as well for the quad.
Thanks! The stick itself is two parts so you unscrew the top part and then screw the bottom part to close the gap. Will make more sense once you look closely at it and see that it is two pieces (kind of like two nuts tightened against each other).
You mean directly to DJI? You could when I looked into it last year but you have to cover the shipping back. Confirm with DJI customer service before making your purchase.
Old air units too when you upgrade to the backwards compatibility firmware from December 2022. You need the Goggles 2 or Goggles Integra though. Note that if you have the full size old air unit, you no longer have the onboard recording on the air unit once you upgrade to the backwards compatibility firmware.
@@Mangorille Wow, they give a little and take a lot. Very clever - allow you to use the cheap air units but upgrade to fair price FPV control and expensive goggles. Would be nice if I could use the new controller with old V1 goggles.
@@srqTagle At this point I don't see anything new coming out for the V1. I'm learning towards the same for the V2 especially now that they do have their "cheaper" goggles out - The goggles integra.
@@Mangorille I think the Goggles 2 is the one for me, just get the controller 2 and goggles 2 and call it a day - control all old air units, the new airunit and maybe the Mavics as well.
@@srqTagle See if you can try them out at your local store first. The FOV and smaller size causes some issues for certain face shapes. The new Goggles Integra have a smaller FOV and apparently they work better on more face shapes.
Agree, all depends on the type of flying you do. The controller 2 performance has improved since this video was made but still not where a crossfire or ELRS separate receiver would be.
AirUnit Bench work & overheating: a 5 or 12 volt computer fan (doesn't need to be a full 120 mm, but fine if that's all you got) I soldered a battery connector to a fan, (1s for 5volt & 3s for 12volt) so I can set the fan next to my quad on the bench. I glued a magnet to the edge of the fan and put it on a 80mmx100mm scrap piece of 1/8th inch steel to stand it. Any sheet metal will do. But a piece of double-sided sticky tape works fine. It's a small project, in and of itself, but once you have the fan set up like this, now you can use it for other stuff on the bench too.
If DJI gave us the Black controller for the 03 AirUnit, I probably would have stayed. But with the way they did it, I ended up going with HDzero's pre-sale on the goggles, and will be getting a Radiomaster. DJI was a great place to start, and I love the video quality, but the way they run the business, not so much. I love HDzero's open-source attitude, and customer first mindset. I also love DIY, and being able to tinker and experiment with stuff. So it was fun, DJI, but I see greener pastures ahead!
Lots of competition out there now, HDZero is not for everyone and DJI is still king of video quality. My hope is that Walksnail catches up, they've done a way better job at supporting and listening to the community so far.
Pre ordered the TBS Tango 2 CNC Gimbals... Its going to be a game changer and make it a relevant choice again. A long needed upgrade so it can compete with the newer feature packed controller style radios offered by other companies.
Thank you for this review. I have Controller 1 and I'd like to refresh my iFlight RTF drone with DJI's new O3 air unit. I may try Remote Controller 2 because of compatibility. Hopefully everything will be fine...
Hey bro, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’ve being using the Tango2 for more than two years, no complains, but I was also considering migrate to DJI remote 2, in order to avoid adding a receiver and antenna on the kwad, however after I saw your opinion I think I will stick with the tango, thanks! I also live in Canada, which part are you located ?
@@Mangorille good point, with the tango I use a longer stick ends, the originals feels weird for me, I think adding a longer one on the DJI will provide more “resolution” and precision. I live in Hamilton, and you ?
@@MadVultureFPV On the Tango 2 Pro, you can adjust the stick ends and it looks like they can get fairly long! Nice, I'm about 40 minutes north of you! :)
I am not 100% sure but for me that didn't look like a failsafe. It's more likely that it was the voltage drop below 9.5V. Did you use the o3 on a regular? I use the rc2 and i opened it up to loosen the springs and greased the gimbals. It's a lot better now. I also made an adapter to use regular M4 sticks on the RC2.
Thanks for the thought, I went through it on the actual video that clip was from. The air unit is connected directly to VBAT which means it would not be impacted by the voltage dropping below a regulator voltage (this is actually why I use vbat and not a regulator on all my builds) and I believe the air unit is good down till 7.4volts. ua-cam.com/video/r4tCgoptAvY/v-deo.html
@@RobLeeFPV i turned down a M4 screw on one en to thread a M2 on this side. I have a picture where you can use it better but i don't know how to post it here.
thanks for the review! I started FPV a few years ago, went straight into the DJI air unit system (never really used analog). Then when I got the DJI FPV with the smaller remote I loved it and couldn't wait for the Air Unit to move to the smaller Controller 2. I LOVE the DJI video system (besides the fact that their goggles don't really fit non-asian faces) but I sort of hate their drones -- always having to prove I'm allowed to fly, accept responsibility, upgrade firmware, update maps / DJI Fly, plug in my phone, etc. It was such a nice break to just be able to fly a non DJI drone, but with the air unit, and still get the great video but not all the nanny "features". I swear EVERY time I fly a DJI drone (which is admittedly not all that often) I ALWAYS have to update the firmware, etc before it will let me take off. And usually not having cell service where I fly, it would just end up as a totally wasted trip, and I'd come home angry. And now even worse with the Avata remote ID you cannot take off ever unless your phone is plugged in. Then as I used it more, I soon realized the Controller 2 is not at all an upgrade from the original black transmitter -- be careful what you wish for I guess. So now I am looking at moving to the Crossfire system. Great to hear your comparison. I just placed an order. Thanks!!
Sounds like a similar experience to mine! :) Crossfire is great, biggest problem is that you need to make sure you can fit the antenna on your quad which can be difficult for smaller quads. I'm playing around with ELRS now as well and got a ELRS transmitter module into my Tango 2 pro so I can switch between both crossfire (for larger quads) and ELRS (for smaller quads). I have a few videos out on this, check my latest videos.
The end of live bs is why the fpv and the mini3 pro are the last dji products ill ever buy,DJI throw away toys with an exp date leaves a bad taste in my mouth knowing i like something that im going to throw away . iv already started and am booting up my own shop to make the real thing folks are wanting in a drone, not what they are pushing on us ! I realy hope i can count all the drone communities to show some support in this mission helping me to make what we the people want the way we want it for a change !
Nobody knows what the next TBS receiver will look like and its compatibility. The point here is that the control link becomes an independent link and you are not forced to upgrade when the next DJI system comes out. If you choose to upgrade to the next TBS system or another better control link at that time, it becomes your call and you're not forced to ditch a $300 black DJI remote because of a decision a manufacturer makes.
@@Mangorille What limitations to using the Tango 2 with the O3 air unit would you say exist? As compared to the Radiomaster Boxer or Zorro for example?
@@Bollibompa There's no limitation, it all depends on what receiver protocol you intend to use. Natively the Tango 2 is Crossfire whereas the Boxer is typically ExpressLRS. Yes you can add an external module to the Tango 2 but this adds weight and cost. The form factor is also a personal preference.
I ordered PNP version of a prebuilt geprc quad, and I’m very disappointed about that googles/controllers issues. I hope so badly, that DJI will fix it😭
The latest firmware has made the Controller 2 signal behavior a bit better. I haven't tested but supposed to be more independent like the old Black DJI remote.
If you like gamepad style just get a Jumper T pro with built in ELRS 1w. Better gimbals than DJI, much much longer range and way cheaper. Comparing the Jumper to the Tango it has a much lower latency link, more Hz options of 50, 150, 250 and 500 probably a couple more I forgot, it also uses LORA on all settings not just 50Hz like TBS does and the biggest one Jumper runs Edge Tx not some half baked Freedom tx that no one asked for and again is way cheaper than its opposition. Oh and the antenna are easier to fit than TBS and receivers are half the price or less and can be flashed easily over wifi. I just taught a new guy how to flash one in about 5 mins. Dilemma solved.
I suppose the first question here is whether you are looking for ELRS or Crossfire. I went with crossfire but am giving ELRS a whirl right now, definitely requires more patience and learning curve initially but man are those receivers tiny!
@@Mangorille Yeah I'm still new to elrs and I'm trying out some Jumper AION mini's and they are around the crossfire nano size so pretty easy to deal with. So far so good, Im looking to test some more range with it now and see how it goes.
@@KwaddawK If I can get the same range as the DJI remote controller 1 then I'm happy (about 120m in the testing setup I do, mostly penetration testing).
For the life of me, I can't use the DJI Controller 2 comfortably with a neck lanyard.. The controller just seems to shift constantly, causing constant distractions..
@@Mangorille It has plenty other other small issues as well, but for me the fact it won't stay planted is a deal breaker. It works great with the Avata but not a fan of using it with the 5" freestyle I recently built.
Sad but true, the DJI controller 2 is nice for ease of building Quads. But for the connection and Failsafe situation, it's way better to have a solid Rc link that can outrange the O3 Video.. I switched to ELRS from Crossfire for some reasons but both should easy outrange Dji Video.. Great Video 🙌, and Merry Christmas 🌲✨🎄
So you switched to ELRS FROM crossfire? Those extra steps to get it working in my experience wasn’t worth it. Crossfire just works and you don’t need a pc. I immediately switched back to crossfire after giving ELRS a 2 month trial. Way too many failsafes where crossfire held up easily. I guess that’s open source for ya. I’m not into waisting too much time doing endless research on which ELRS module, receiver to buy.
@@creationlabsinc.189 I'm looking to give ELRS a try as well so I can fly smaller quads that cannot hold the bigger crossfire antenna and receiver. Which version of ELRS did you try, which hardware, and under which situations did it failsafe?
@@creationlabsinc.189 once you get it working, it's amazing. I use the cheap happymodel ES24TX and EP1 and EP2 Rx on 100mw fix. Wlan Setup is easy and the range and Penetration is on a new Level. I never Failsafed on ELRS, always Video ends before. Most importent the Feelin 500Hz with DJI Video feels so much better than 150Hz, in my opinion the main reason to switch and the Range... Crossfre looks a bit rusty agains sry to say, also Crossfire is not that solid with Penetration when conditions get worse, like wet Woods or Hills between.
@@Mangorille If you want jump on ELRS at the moment i would recommend the Ranger Moduls and RP1 and RP3 Rx. They are new and should come out at January in most shops like Drone FPV Racer in France. They should be high quality and full supportet from ELRS devs.
I love my tamgo 2 just order the pyrodrone gimbles for the tango 2 I do have the black dji controller but after what dji did with that remote i will never again wast my $ on another dji remote. My supper old tranis still works years latter i can still use it if i wanted lol. Dji is just a throw away. $300 on the dji for 2 years of life is just a kick in the face. If you got a radiomaster or a tango and spend $300 you will have a controller that will last you years to come
If I could just hookup my RadioMaster TX16s or even the RaidoMaster Boxer to my Avata, I'd sell that Controller 2 off in a heart beat! DJI $300 controller isn't nearly as nice as the Boxer and the Boxer is 1/3rd the price tag!
I think your decision to go away from the Controller 2 is a good one. IMO, it looks cheap, is double what it should sell for, and it's smart not to be happy with those tiny gimbals! The entire controller is just a bad value. A Radiomaster Zorro is half the price, way better quality, and the same price with the AG01 metal full size gimbals! That's the value! Crossfire is still hard to beat for rock solid connection! 😎🤘 The Nano receiver only weighs 0.7g, and for small whoops or other tiny micros, just use the wire antenna with the $25 version of the Nano. I use that antenna for all my micros. I'm getting into Radiomaster Ranger and their ELRS receivers for it. But for whoops, where ultra lightweight is key, the AIO FC's with ELRS built in, in non SPI form, are the way to go, IMO. Keeps that FC so small and ultra light! 👍
Ya, having a "normal" remote opens up the door to a lot of other parts of this hobby such as using a new control link down the road or tiny whoops, etc. Thanks for your comment!
I'm new to FPV, I have the DJI controller and the Radiomaster Zorro and with around 200 hours of simulator there's no comparison regarding the precision of the gimbals... DJI FPV controller feels like a toy, just keeping it because of the avata.
Sorry buddy it's not when compared to the DJI remotes, I've had both and flew both including the original black DJI remote. My Tango 2 creaks and the power button sticks. It's still a great radio and I fly it all the time.
Twenty years ago you would never hear an American praising Chinese built crap, Times are a changing. Yeah I like DJI also, No real choices. Spektrem is great, They need to upgrade transmission protocol.
I know that helps some people but it won’t fix the signal problems and the fair safe I experienced. I heard some of the signal problems have since been resolved with a firmware update but I can’t verify.
DJI FPV1 remote had garbage range. While flying Vistas I would get like 2-3km at most. About 4-5km on full size air units. I've done 6km round trip with potato with full RC bars. And I don't think I've ever seen a crossfire failsafe. I can't even tell you how far I've flown my plane 😅
Weirdly enough I never had range issues with the FPV1 black remote. I did have the FPV2 grey remote fail safe right in front of me when the O3 first released. I ditched it at that point. Now using ELRS and no issues.
@@Mangorille I just ordered my first ELRS radio. Very excited. I'll probably sell my Tango and get a nano crossfire module. What's the longest range you've done with ELRS with bi-directional telemetry?
You can get accustomed to the new feel but in this case the big question is should you even bother given the other problems. Since the making of this video I also made two range videos that makes this remote even less appealing.
@@Mangorille The DJI controller with the 03 unit goes for like 7 miles and your trying to make gimbal legnth a deal breaker. almost seems like clickbait
![☀ Танго 2 - с любовью к мелочам. Аппаратура РУ, которую я ждал! [Tango II]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v8PkyPr1U7c/mqdefault.jpg)
will that DJI controller pair with the mini 3 pro drone or does it have to be the choice of the two DJI RC with screens ?
No this remote is only for the Avata, big FPV drone, or the drones you build yourself. The only one officially supported with the Mini 3 Pro would be the two DJI RCs, one with the screen and one without or the Motion 2 if you decide to go the route of FPV with the Goggles.
How about the most important question, what has the better range?
The tango 2. Here is the test: ua-cam.com/video/KwikXJiTr3Y/v-deo.html
Whats the difference between tango 2 and tango 2 pro? Any big advantage in getting the pro?
The pro has foldable gimbals to make them easier to transport. That's a big deal for some but not for others. I never use the folding feature.
And do you know if its the only thing? Because here in my country de rc2 sells for 150, tango 2 for 200 and tango 2 pro for 230. Thanks!
That’s strange…. When I disconnect my goggles my control link from the remote doesn’t drop off. I think the signal is going from that big antenna on the controller directly to the quad and not through the goggles for me at least
Tell me more, you are probably one of the few! Are you using the O3 system and if so, what firmware and what transmission settings?
how the update now ? still problem like video above ?
No longer have this remote but I heard that a firmware update after this video was made changed the behavior so that the remote no longer disconnects when the goggles disconnect. Everything else shown in the video is still valid.
@@Mangorille nice info, thanks
My favorite controller is probably my ~10 year old Futaba. I use the FPV Controller 2 since it's the best option for the Avata. Hopefully the concerns are resolved with future firmware updates. Thanks for the video.
Unfortunately if you have the Avata, no real choice here. I hope a firmware releases resolves the range and disconnecting behavior too!
I have those same three remotes, I really like the DJI black box controller the best, wish it worked on the 03
So it means that if for some reason I lose video signal on my goggles i might lose radio connection as well on the dji remote ?
At the time of filming, yes, you actually lose the radio connection right before the video is lost. I hear that there has been a firmware update since that resolved this issue though. I no longer have this remote to verify.
Thank you for this
I'm stuck with the DJI RC1
$300 is a BIG hit with little secondary market interest.
I'd like to see DJI release a 2.4 ghz module to attach to the RC1 with all else necessary to work with the 03 AU.
What surprises me is that you can still buy the RC1 for $300. Why would it not come way down in price like the V2 goggles?
I suspect that DJI is helping retailers clear out inventory as I don't think you can buy the RC1 on the DJI store, any longer, at least not mode 2. If that holds true into the future, then it's safe to say DJI has abandoned ship on the RC1.
I too am switching to TBS T2, for all the reasons you sighted; especially the gimbals. I had the potato for a couple of weeks, the RC2 is difficult to get used to; especially for something as powerful as the potato.
We could always attach the TBS crossfire module to the DJI RC1, but it would still be big and bulky, and likely no longer supported, so...big hit.
DJI just works, but can be limiting, and I suspect all of the hybrid system (backward compatibility). and the resultant compromises is DJI's way of steering us all toward the 03 system.
DJI is a business, a very smart business.
Ultimately, it seems inevitable to move everything up to 03. For me, TBS T2, and 03 air unit this year 2023, and Goggles 2 next year 2024. Unless I win the lottery. All into 03 up front: DJI 03 AU $229, new radio and receiver $200 to $250, Goggles 2 $649. That's $1,078 to 1,128 for what we already have. Is the range, penetration and image quality worth it? Possibly.
So, start saving for 04, when it too will be inevitable.
Well said, they haven't even made the Vista compatible with the V2 goggles yet so perhaps there will be a Christmas miracle and we will get something for the black remote. I agree, no interest in the secondary market for the V1 goggles or the black remote. I suspect I'll take mine to the grave with me ;)
@@Mangorille Sadness...big hit.
@@richardruckert7954 the prices you mentioned above for the 03 unit is that AUD ?
I have just bought the 03 plus Controller 2. Goggles, controller and air unit, all bound with latest firmware. I am using a MAMBA F722 with a plug designed for the air unit to just plug in. I have it set on MSP UART 3. I have video, OSD etc but the controller does not do anything. Its LEDs flash and when the Air unit connects the flashing goes solid green on the Controller but in the Betaflight Receiver tab nothing works like it does on my old Air units or other Express receivers. What is the trick to get this working?
Hey. Did you see this video? It’s about the Vista but same concept.
Why won't my DJI FPV Controller 2 work with the Caddx Vista backwards compatibility firmware?
ua-cam.com/video/tYomxAbQ7Vs/v-deo.html
@@Mangorille Yes I did. Eventually I went back to square 1 and reflashed the firmware aand reset up everytingg,and now it works. I do not know what changed but something did.
@@chriscflint Perfect, happy flying.
Is having the air unit and a gopro to much weight? I am fairly new to all this and I crashed my dji “potato” and I’m now trying to build my own.
Hey. For what size of quad? A 5" can carry a go pro no problem and that's what most people do including me.
It’s a 5”. Would having the air unit and a gopro be to much weight for 2207 motos with 6s batteries?
I appreciate the help by the way!
@@jaredmuniz4148 Definitely not. I run a 5" with 2207 motors on 4s and it performs really well with a gopro 7 black. You can see it in my videos under the freestyle playlist.
im in the same boat. i absolutely love the old DJI controller. wish there was a way to take the controllers apart and put them in the bigger housing.
I'm okay with the form factor, makes carrying it around easier but not a fan of the smaller gimbals.
Im pretty new to this, but my dji controller v2 didnt work on my new iflight Cidora and i now bought the dji remote controller 1 for the dji vista.. that worked.. did you say that this controller wont work in the future on dji vista? Then what will work if the dji controller 1 og v2 dont.. what controller should you have then ?
Right now the controller 1 will only work with the vista and the goggles v1 and v2. The controller 2 will only work with the o3 and goggles v2/goggles 2 or the vista and goggles 2. Ultimately compatibility is a mess. This is why I myself went with a separate stand-alone remote control.
hello doest the start/stop and record button work on the tbs tango 2 also the same ?
There is no record button on the Tango 2. Depending which button you use on the Tango 2 for arming, it's not a momentary switch but one that you push that stays pressed in.
Did you have any problems activating the Controller 2 Manual Mode in the goggles? My - Button Customisation menu doesn't work - won't let me access next menu in the new Goggles 2.
Are you using this with the o3 air unit? If so, the menu in the goggles doesn’t do anything for me either. I do all the setup in betaflight.
If I buy the DJI FPV remote and the 03air vtx can I use the dji remote to control a custom quad?
Which dji remote? The small gray one or the big black one?
Good choice!
I'm happy to see you going with a true and reliable link like TBS Crossfire. I have Crossfire and wanted to go to a smaller radio like DJI RC 2 radio but I trust Crossfire more and might need to look at the Tango 2 radio for the small package.
I love the crossfire, just struggling with the giant antenna. I've got some of the mini T coming and will test those out to see if it works okay for my type of flying.
there was a problem with the dji O3 losing signal with the fpv controller 2 is this fixed?
You mean the one where if the goggles lose signal the RC loses signal as well? Yes that was fixed in the latest firmware.
@@Mangorille thanks
@@Mangorille still not fixed!
@@ar0nis Are you on the latest firmware all around? MadTech confirmed it was fixed a while ago.
I love the black remote. Hate it’s gone
Likewise, that remote was large but worked perfect, great gimbals, and very comfortable.
Hey friend, nice video! Question: you still need the dji air unit for pairing with the DJI Googles ?
Thanks
Correct, the air unit is both a video transmitter and a remote control receiver so if you don't use the DJI remote you'd still need the air unit for the video transmission to the goggles and then another receiver for the remote control (here i use a crossfire nano receiver).
@@Mangorille so if I want to use the air unit in every dron I want to build it's perfectly possible to use my remote control 2 of DJI even if I want to build a long range?
@@MrsTatankaWhich air unit and goggles are you looking at? The remote controller 2 doesn't work with the previous generation. Also, how long range you talking about?
Tango or 03 with Dji radio 2?
I'm going with the Tango. If they happen to make the black DJI radio work, I'll switch back to that one. I just can't get used to the DJI Controller 2 and some of the items mentioned (plus the range testing I did).
Thanks for the video as I m trying to learn what all I can do with the DJI FPV controller. so it looks like it will link/bind up and control any of the DJI Air units or like the vista units? it is kinda crazy you was able to have both remotes connected to the quad at the same time... Don't forget both are linked and leave one powered on for someone to pick up and start moving controls while flying that would be bad.
I didn't try having both powered on at the same time. There is specific compatibility for the DJI FPV Controller 2 and it is not fully backwards compatible. Which goggles and air unit do you have? ua-cam.com/video/tYomxAbQ7Vs/v-deo.html
@@Mangorille I have the Gray remote. The dji 2 controller I think is what it's called the PS looking one. And I ordered the geprc drone with the vista pro unit in it says it's PNP as I understand my remote is supposed to work with it. I'm used to mostly rtf packages that is how I purchased my DJI fpv drone with the V2 (bigger) goggles and remote three battery's charger and all.
@@epoweredrc Sorry to tell you but that combination is not supported. If you want to use the gray remote, you need the vista + goggles 2/goggles integra or the o3 + goggles v2/goggles 2/goggles integra.
@@Mangorille Thanks for the replies. I do have a spectrum Rx on the way also cause was afraid I couldn't use the current dji remote. I will just install it and use my current spectrum tx. I need to learn more about this tbs and crossfire everyone is talking about. I'm not looking for long range. Maybe the size of a football field. Mostly be flying around my house or local parks. I got the PNP model cause the other was just tbs. It's the Cinelog 35 HD w/ vista Nebula pro system what I ordered. Wonder if the main unit itself could be switched out for a 03 unit. Not sure witch way would be best.
@@epoweredrc My suggestion is to go with an ELRS setup, more suited to smaller setups and seems to give a lot more options. That's what I did.
hi great video pls how to conect dji controler to this drone??????
What goggles and air unit do you have?
EXCELLENT review!! Perfectly timed
Thanks! Happy flying!
Hi bros. I am a newbie. Can DJI googles v2 go with tbs tango 2 controller?
Hey. The tango 2 uses a standalone control link called crossfire so that will be completely independent of the video link. You’ll need to buy a crossfire receiver as well for the quad.
@@Mangorille got it, thank you
Nice to see you making content again! How do you adjust the tango 2 sticks to be higher?
Thanks! The stick itself is two parts so you unscrew the top part and then screw the bottom part to close the gap. Will make more sense once you look closely at it and see that it is two pieces (kind of like two nuts tightened against each other).
Can you return an opened DJI product ?
You mean directly to DJI? You could when I looked into it last year but you have to cover the shipping back. Confirm with DJI customer service before making your purchase.
Very good review!! For clarity, does the DJI controller 2 work with all DJI air units, like even the old ones? Or just the caddx vista variant?
Old air units too when you upgrade to the backwards compatibility firmware from December 2022. You need the Goggles 2 or Goggles Integra though. Note that if you have the full size old air unit, you no longer have the onboard recording on the air unit once you upgrade to the backwards compatibility firmware.
@@Mangorille Wow, they give a little and take a lot. Very clever - allow you to use the cheap air units but upgrade to fair price FPV control and expensive goggles. Would be nice if I could use the new controller with old V1 goggles.
@@srqTagle At this point I don't see anything new coming out for the V1. I'm learning towards the same for the V2 especially now that they do have their "cheaper" goggles out - The goggles integra.
@@Mangorille I think the Goggles 2 is the one for me, just get the controller 2 and goggles 2 and call it a day - control all old air units, the new airunit and maybe the Mavics as well.
@@srqTagle See if you can try them out at your local store first. The FOV and smaller size causes some issues for certain face shapes. The new Goggles Integra have a smaller FOV and apparently they work better on more face shapes.
I just got used to the controller 2. Its not the best but its one less thing to solder. Then again it highly depends on how you fly and where.
Agree, all depends on the type of flying you do. The controller 2 performance has improved since this video was made but still not where a crossfire or ELRS separate receiver would be.
AirUnit Bench work & overheating:
a 5 or 12 volt computer fan (doesn't need to be a full 120 mm, but fine if that's all you got)
I soldered a battery connector to a fan, (1s for 5volt & 3s for 12volt) so I can set the fan next to my quad on the bench.
I glued a magnet to the edge of the fan and put it on a 80mmx100mm scrap piece of 1/8th inch steel to stand it.
Any sheet metal will do.
But a piece of double-sided sticky tape works fine.
It's a small project, in and of itself, but once you have the fan set up like this, now you can use it for other stuff on the bench too.
If DJI gave us the Black controller for the 03 AirUnit, I probably would have stayed. But with the way they did it, I ended up going with HDzero's pre-sale on the goggles, and will be getting a Radiomaster. DJI was a great place to start, and I love the video quality, but the way they run the business, not so much. I love HDzero's open-source attitude, and customer first mindset. I also love DIY, and being able to tinker and experiment with stuff. So it was fun, DJI, but I see greener pastures ahead!
Lots of competition out there now, HDZero is not for everyone and DJI is still king of video quality. My hope is that Walksnail catches up, they've done a way better job at supporting and listening to the community so far.
Pre ordered the TBS Tango 2 CNC Gimbals... Its going to be a game changer and make it a relevant choice again. A long needed upgrade so it can compete with the newer feature packed controller style radios offered by other companies.
The Pyrodrone ones?
@Mangorille Yep pyrodrone but GetFPV is also doing preorders for them.
@@Infinite_Ouroboros They look nice!
Merry Christmas 🎅
Thanks bud, Merry Christmas to you too!
Thank you for this review. I have Controller 1 and I'd like to refresh my iFlight RTF drone with DJI's new O3 air unit. I may try Remote Controller 2 because of compatibility. Hopefully everything will be fine...
How did it go?
Thank you for the informative explanation . It's very helpful.
No problem, happy flying!
Hey bro, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’ve being using the Tango2 for more than two years, no complains, but I was also considering migrate to DJI remote 2, in order to avoid adding a receiver and antenna on the kwad, however after I saw your opinion I think I will stick with the tango, thanks! I also live in Canada, which part are you located ?
That makes sense, until at least the radio link is more resilient (assuming you are okay with the size and gimbals). I'm in Ontario. How about you?
@@Mangorille good point, with the tango I use a longer stick ends, the originals feels weird for me, I think adding a longer one on the DJI will provide more “resolution” and precision. I live in Hamilton, and you ?
@@MadVultureFPV On the Tango 2 Pro, you can adjust the stick ends and it looks like they can get fairly long! Nice, I'm about 40 minutes north of you! :)
I am not 100% sure but for me that didn't look like a failsafe. It's more likely that it was the voltage drop below 9.5V. Did you use the o3 on a regular?
I use the rc2 and i opened it up to loosen the springs and greased the gimbals. It's a lot better now. I also made an adapter to use regular M4 sticks on the RC2.
Thanks for the thought, I went through it on the actual video that clip was from. The air unit is connected directly to VBAT which means it would not be impacted by the voltage dropping below a regulator voltage (this is actually why I use vbat and not a regulator on all my builds) and I believe the air unit is good down till 7.4volts.
ua-cam.com/video/r4tCgoptAvY/v-deo.html
@elio kreier, can you share what you did for the adapter?
@@RobLeeFPV i turned down a M4 screw on one en to thread a M2 on this side. I have a picture where you can use it better but i don't know how to post it here.
thanks for the review! I started FPV a few years ago, went straight into the DJI air unit system (never really used analog). Then when I got the DJI FPV with the smaller remote I loved it and couldn't wait for the Air Unit to move to the smaller Controller 2. I LOVE the DJI video system (besides the fact that their goggles don't really fit non-asian faces) but I sort of hate their drones -- always having to prove I'm allowed to fly, accept responsibility, upgrade firmware, update maps / DJI Fly, plug in my phone, etc. It was such a nice break to just be able to fly a non DJI drone, but with the air unit, and still get the great video but not all the nanny "features". I swear EVERY time I fly a DJI drone (which is admittedly not all that often) I ALWAYS have to update the firmware, etc before it will let me take off. And usually not having cell service where I fly, it would just end up as a totally wasted trip, and I'd come home angry. And now even worse with the Avata remote ID you cannot take off ever unless your phone is plugged in.
Then as I used it more, I soon realized the Controller 2 is not at all an upgrade from the original black transmitter -- be careful what you wish for I guess. So now I am looking at moving to the Crossfire system. Great to hear your comparison. I just placed an order. Thanks!!
Sounds like a similar experience to mine! :) Crossfire is great, biggest problem is that you need to make sure you can fit the antenna on your quad which can be difficult for smaller quads. I'm playing around with ELRS now as well and got a ELRS transmitter module into my Tango 2 pro so I can switch between both crossfire (for larger quads) and ELRS (for smaller quads). I have a few videos out on this, check my latest videos.
Great review. Still on DJI black one… so very interested. Will keep it until I can.
Thanks! I flew the black remote yesterday after a long time and was so happy with the gimbal feel, will miss that remote if it truly is end of life.
@@Mangorille yes…if you move on O3. My quads are all still on AU.
My biggest issue with the dji remote is that you can’t set throttle expo, would help a lot
I've never used expo on the throttle channel before, interesting use case.
@@Mangorille I do mainly indoor slow fly throughs, really helped with my Cinelogs and even my tinywhoop
You can add throttle expo in Betaflight configuration (assuming your quads run BF)
Informative . Amazing. Needed this
Glad to hear that. Happy flying!
The end of live bs is why the fpv and the mini3 pro are the last dji products ill ever buy,DJI throw away toys with an exp date leaves a bad taste in my mouth knowing i like something that im going to throw away . iv already started and am booting up my own shop to make the real thing folks are wanting in a drone, not what they are pushing on us ! I realy hope i can count all the drone communities to show some support in this mission helping me to make what we the people want the way we want it for a change !
Ya, it's forced obsolescence to move people over to the new controller.
So how do you know that the next tbs receiver is still gonna be compatible with old remote? That is just a plain lie/guessing.
Nobody knows what the next TBS receiver will look like and its compatibility. The point here is that the control link becomes an independent link and you are not forced to upgrade when the next DJI system comes out. If you choose to upgrade to the next TBS system or another better control link at that time, it becomes your call and you're not forced to ditch a $300 black DJI remote because of a decision a manufacturer makes.
Did you return it?
I did. Been running the tango 2 with an internal ELRS module ever since.
@@Mangorille
What limitations to using the Tango 2 with the O3 air unit would you say exist? As compared to the Radiomaster Boxer or Zorro for example?
@@Bollibompa There's no limitation, it all depends on what receiver protocol you intend to use. Natively the Tango 2 is Crossfire whereas the Boxer is typically ExpressLRS. Yes you can add an external module to the Tango 2 but this adds weight and cost. The form factor is also a personal preference.
I ordered PNP version of a prebuilt geprc quad, and I’m very disappointed about that googles/controllers issues. I hope so badly, that DJI will fix it😭
The latest firmware has made the Controller 2 signal behavior a bit better. I haven't tested but supposed to be more independent like the old Black DJI remote.
If you like gamepad style just get a Jumper T pro with built in ELRS 1w. Better gimbals than DJI, much much longer range and way cheaper.
Comparing the Jumper to the Tango it has a much lower latency link, more Hz options of 50, 150, 250 and 500 probably a couple more I forgot, it also uses LORA on all settings not just 50Hz like TBS does and the biggest one Jumper runs Edge Tx not some half baked Freedom tx that no one asked for and again is way cheaper than its opposition. Oh and the antenna are easier to fit than TBS and receivers are half the price or less and can be flashed easily over wifi. I just taught a new guy how to flash one in about 5 mins.
Dilemma solved.
I suppose the first question here is whether you are looking for ELRS or Crossfire. I went with crossfire but am giving ELRS a whirl right now, definitely requires more patience and learning curve initially but man are those receivers tiny!
@@Mangorille Yeah I'm still new to elrs and I'm trying out some Jumper AION mini's and they are around the crossfire nano size so pretty easy to deal with. So far so good, Im looking to test some more range with it now and see how it goes.
@@KwaddawK If I can get the same range as the DJI remote controller 1 then I'm happy (about 120m in the testing setup I do, mostly penetration testing).
Awesome video 👍😎
Thanks Buddy, happy flying!
For the life of me, I can't use the DJI Controller 2 comfortably with a neck lanyard.. The controller just seems to shift constantly, causing constant distractions..
Been a while since I used this remote given my experience but don't recall this being a big issue. I had other issues that perhaps overshadowed.
@@Mangorille It has plenty other other small issues as well, but for me the fact it won't stay planted is a deal breaker. It works great with the Avata but not a fan of using it with the 5" freestyle I recently built.
@@J_Madison Ya, invest in your favorite ELRS controller and never look back.
@@Mangorille my thoughts as well. The Boxer Max by Radiomaster is looking mighty tasty!
Sad but true, the DJI controller 2 is nice for ease of building Quads. But for the connection and Failsafe situation, it's way better to have a solid Rc link that can outrange the O3 Video.. I switched to ELRS from Crossfire for some reasons but both should easy outrange Dji Video.. Great Video 🙌, and Merry Christmas 🌲✨🎄
So you switched to ELRS FROM crossfire? Those extra steps to get it working in my experience wasn’t worth it. Crossfire just works and you don’t need a pc. I immediately switched back to crossfire after giving ELRS a 2 month trial. Way too many failsafes where crossfire held up easily. I guess that’s open source for ya. I’m not into waisting too much time doing endless research on which ELRS module, receiver to buy.
Agree, it's very unfortunate as the old black remote works flawlessly for me! Never a failsafe.
@@creationlabsinc.189 I'm looking to give ELRS a try as well so I can fly smaller quads that cannot hold the bigger crossfire antenna and receiver. Which version of ELRS did you try, which hardware, and under which situations did it failsafe?
@@creationlabsinc.189 once you get it working, it's amazing. I use the cheap happymodel ES24TX and EP1 and EP2 Rx on 100mw fix. Wlan Setup is easy and the range and Penetration is on a new Level. I never Failsafed on ELRS, always Video ends before. Most importent the Feelin 500Hz with DJI Video feels so much better than 150Hz, in my opinion the main reason to switch and the Range... Crossfre looks a bit rusty agains sry to say, also Crossfire is not that solid with Penetration when conditions get worse, like wet Woods or Hills between.
@@Mangorille If you want jump on ELRS at the moment i would recommend the Ranger Moduls and RP1 and RP3 Rx. They are new and should come out at January in most shops like Drone FPV Racer in France. They should be high quality and full supportet from ELRS devs.
Nice review where did you get upgraded stick ends for controller 2?
Thanks! The controller came with two sets of sticks, one longer and one shorter in the box.
@@Mangorille So how can we record on 03 without dji remote? Can we assing a switch for that in beetaflight?
I love my tamgo 2 just order the pyrodrone gimbles for the tango 2
I do have the black dji controller but after what dji did with that remote i will never again wast my $ on another dji remote. My supper old tranis still works years latter i can still use it if i wanted lol. Dji is just a throw away. $300 on the dji for 2 years of life is just a kick in the face. If you got a radiomaster or a tango and spend $300 you will have a controller that will last you years to come
Agreed! Fool me once you know...
Suppose fpv remote controller 2 use DJI 03 system without Google it's working yes and no
какой смысл быстрого соединения пульта, если все равно нужно ждать видео связь
Mainly if you're working on the quad on the bench, I also do line of sight flights to test things out all the time.
If I could just hookup my RadioMaster TX16s or even the RaidoMaster Boxer to my Avata, I'd sell that Controller 2 off in a heart beat! DJI $300 controller isn't nearly as nice as the Boxer and the Boxer is 1/3rd the price tag!
Ya you're paying a premium for the DJI controller so that you can use it with all of their drones.
I think your decision to go away from the Controller 2 is a good one. IMO, it looks cheap, is double what it should sell for, and it's smart not to be happy with those tiny gimbals! The entire controller is just a bad value.
A Radiomaster Zorro is half the price, way better quality, and the same price with the AG01 metal full size gimbals! That's the value!
Crossfire is still hard to beat for rock solid connection! 😎🤘
The Nano receiver only weighs 0.7g, and for small whoops or other tiny micros, just use the wire antenna with the $25 version of the Nano. I use that antenna for all my micros.
I'm getting into Radiomaster Ranger and their ELRS receivers for it. But for whoops, where ultra lightweight is key, the AIO FC's with ELRS built in, in non SPI form, are the way to go, IMO. Keeps that FC so small and ultra light! 👍
Ya, having a "normal" remote opens up the door to a lot of other parts of this hobby such as using a new control link down the road or tiny whoops, etc. Thanks for your comment!
All that for 4 minutes flights.
@@etric4947 Welcome to the world of DIY quads, nothing like DJI quads that give you 20 minute flight times.
I'm new to FPV, I have the DJI controller and the Radiomaster Zorro and with around 200 hours of simulator there's no comparison regarding the precision of the gimbals... DJI FPV controller feels like a toy, just keeping it because of the avata.
Agreed, lots of compromises with that gray remote but if you have an Avata no real choice and at least you can use it with your DIY quads now too.
Dude the tango 2 pro is top quality wow you need to know what your talking about before posting wow dude
Sorry buddy it's not when compared to the DJI remotes, I've had both and flew both including the original black DJI remote. My Tango 2 creaks and the power button sticks. It's still a great radio and I fly it all the time.
Twenty years ago you would never hear an American praising Chinese built crap, Times are a changing. Yeah I like DJI also, No real choices. Spektrem is great, They need to upgrade transmission protocol.
It’s not crap anymore so no need bringing up what people did 20 years ago.
There are choices other than buying Chinese products. First step…quit fpv
I remember Spektrum being king back in the day with r/c cars. DSM1 and then DSM2. Times have really changed. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. :)
Yeah, we better like Chinese electronics! Not much else to choose from! 🤷😳
1.5x faster video
get stick extensions, problem solved
I know that helps some people but it won’t fix the signal problems and the fair safe I experienced. I heard some of the signal problems have since been resolved with a firmware update but I can’t verify.
tango2 better
DJI FPV1 remote had garbage range. While flying Vistas I would get like 2-3km at most. About 4-5km on full size air units. I've done 6km round trip with potato with full RC bars. And I don't think I've ever seen a crossfire failsafe. I can't even tell you how far I've flown my plane 😅
Weirdly enough I never had range issues with the FPV1 black remote. I did have the FPV2 grey remote fail safe right in front of me when the O3 first released. I ditched it at that point. Now using ELRS and no issues.
@@Mangorille I just ordered my first ELRS radio. Very excited. I'll probably sell my Tango and get a nano crossfire module. What's the longest range you've done with ELRS with bi-directional telemetry?
@@voxtelnismoI'm not a long range pilot but check out the ELRS hall of fame to see the range records.
Drone operators that can't adjust to any controller have no talent. If that's you, please reconsider the hobby overall
Kek5
You can get accustomed to the new feel but in this case the big question is should you even bother given the other problems. Since the making of this video I also made two range videos that makes this remote even less appealing.
@@Mangorille The DJI controller with the 03 unit goes for like 7 miles and your trying to make gimbal legnth a deal breaker. almost seems like clickbait
This guy has no clue what he is talking about..
Ya he’s a nut.
Suppose fpv remote controller 2 use DJI 03 system without Google it's working yes and no