I have been a couple of years with R9M with no issues, then I have changed to crossfire with the Tango 2. In a few months I have had 2 failsafes at 120m. So I've decided to change to ELRS and since then I am happy having the same range, with much better refresh rate and way cheeper receivers. And the best is that ELRS is open source.
For anyone doing it - make sure to switch to 250hz in the Lua script. As you could see even in the video, on 500hz it reports only ~215 packets. Tango as it is today supports only rate up to 250hz. Also, it can only run 250mw.
I have a Tango 2 and just picked up an ELRS module to take advantage of AIO whoop boards with built-in ELRS because I’m tired of Frsky failsafes. The cheaper component cost is also a benefit, with how pricey everything is going too.. Being able to fly 1-2s micros with the same peace of mind as my larger crossfire quads just makes sense to me.
nice intro ;) I wish we could use the ribbon cable to connect directly to a pcb module bypassing the need for bulky pins in the bay... it would result in a much more compact form factor.
Make sure you change to 250hz. You can see in the lua at top right that it’s showing 215hz. That’s because you have it set to 500hz and tango can’t do that. Change to 250 and then it will show 250hz in top right of lua
hahah I must admit, I bought the mdm adaptor and it's around here somewhere... kinda been putting off doing the mod. was just hoping for a nice native 2.4 ELRS that felt as nice. just don't like the idea of dealing with modules. kinda ruins what is nice about the tango2
Did it a couple months ago with the Slim Pro. I use Crossfire on anything bigger than 2.5 inches and ELRS on everything smaller (save two Redpine whoops). It is a great combo and is still my favorite controller.
4:55 The important difference between binding phrase and Wi-Fi password is that the Wi-Fi password is a secret while the binding phrase is explicitly public. It’s not a security feature, just a selector/matcher feature.
More of a feeling than a proven fact but maybe still worth considering: in areas with high density of high powered mobile antennas (like the area where I live), the likelyhood of your rc link being taken out by one of those antennas on 915Hz is a lot higher than on 2.4mHz, while the range of both Crossfire vs 2.4mHz ELRS is way beyond what most quads can go anyways. I think that might be a reason for some to switch, at least for me.
Aio and substantially cheaper and lighter rxs were the deciding factor for me. I love my small clean builds and crossfire just isn't the best option in any of those regards any more.
Yep,why would you use a Tango2 if your Crossfired already..... =I,m "curious"about Express LRS ..and don,t want to buy another tx just to experiment...hence I,m going to use the Tango2. SURELY...Trappy will bring something out to compete with Express LRS...I,m sure he doesn,t want TBS closing down?
removable drive is not showing up.. but it's charging. I click usb storage to no avail. tried different cables and usb ports.. guess I'm taking it apart to get the SD card out.
I have the slim pro module from happymodel the new one with 2.0.1 and bf 4.3 rc2 sometimes my tango2 doesnt connect to the drone and i need to unplug the battery from the drone. the bf receiver tab shows me when this happens strange values on the channels and i am doing nothing values like 888 for throttle and than instantly 1390 something and dann 2000 and then 949...
@@JoshuaBardwell firmware related.. Had the same thing.. After I did an update from OTX to ETX or from an older ETX to an newer ETX VERSION (don't remember) - then I saw this option..
Josh what are the difference between the BetaFPV vs HappyModel ELRS TX Modules, you said others prefer the HappyModel, can't find any comparison reviews or whether there is now an alternative?
7:26 min - the problem is that the switches are different (/ in a different position ?!) . You need to match up the inputs / mixer right to make it work in a similar way as the main radio.
This almost drove me insane after I spent 3 days trying to figure out what I had done wrong to get my new mobula6 elrs to bind to the elrs module on my tango2. All I ended up having to do was lower the PID loop frequency to 2k and overclock the FC to 120mhz.. The ELRS link was fine but because you have to build and flash the elrs module firmware yourself I thought that had to be the issue.
the packet rate at the top seems to indicate that its only runing at 215hz instead of 500, i guess tbs is doing something to lock out elrs lol. Also tbs agent lua works with elrs so you dont even need to download anything:D
I am running 250hz and that's working solid, I had the exact same thing on my Tango on 500 hz. Need to wait for EdgeTX release for 500hz packet rate and gimbal polling, I believe. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure. Saw UAVTech commented something similar.
When I plug in my happy model Slim pro 2 2.4 it does not suggest or identify a com port. It reads “manual serial device selection. Do you know what might be wrong?
so i have the 915 version so its different. you have to pull the case off and p[ush the button under the main button when its flashing and says pids failed tap it and it will finish correctly
@@JoshuaBardwellSo I am on the mambo, I downloaded the ELRS lua and its showing up in freedom tx, but when I open it I get syntax error? Is that just because I don't have the module in the controller yet? I am waiting on the adapter since I only have the nano!
@@Farang_Lifestyles better refresh rates than tbs as well as penetration you can go way further in woods concrete buildings etc with elrs than you can with tbs tracer
Hahaha (0/215) Trappy doing Frsky things? TBS strikes again! I remember about a year ago there was a bug in freedomTX that only allowed 50Hz communication to the module bay and it was making tracer modules run at 50hz. I wonder if it's the same limitation? It's a shame such a good radio is so limited by its firmware.
DUDE… your thumbnail was so clickbait!! Safety goggles and a hammer!?!!? AND DUCT TAPE!!??made me think someone may get pregnant ..😂😂🤣🤣.. seriously, love your “out-trows!! No matter what u post.. I’m always learning something .. so let me say..”thank you”…
I noticed that the fpv guys round here want the most powerful RX that will have the longest range ....but they don't need it cause they never fly that far out. Its like the kid who has a super fast drifter car but he only drives slow as hell in the fast lane.
Here are the things that ELRS does better than CRSF: ELRS is about 1/2 to 2/3 the price; ELRS runs in 2.4 GHz which has smaller antennas, less interference from other pilots, and can run at higher frequency (lower latency); ELRS can run up to 500 Hz. That's not to say that Crossfire has no advantages, but you asked what ELRS does better.
![☀ ELRS - Прошивка, настройка, пайка, фристайл тесты. [BetaFPV ExpressLRS Nano TX&RX]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yoXrhsCT6r0/mqdefault.jpg)
Ive watched so much BARDWELL videos my brain has predictive text on his videos.
Expanding the tango 2 screen was pure genius.
I have been a couple of years with R9M with no issues, then I have changed to crossfire with the Tango 2. In a few months I have had 2 failsafes at 120m.
So I've decided to change to ELRS and since then I am happy having the same range, with much better refresh rate and way cheeper receivers.
And the best is that ELRS is open source.
Always thought putting another control link on my Tango 2 was forbidden 😅 thanks for the tutorial JB!
I did this about a month ago as part of switching my whoops over to ELRS SPI AIO boards. So happy I did! No more fail safes in the house.
You were getting fail-safes with crossfire?
Thanks for the walkthrough sir. Now all the Tango 2 is missing is EdgeTX. Hopefully in EdgeTX 2.7 this spring/summer...
For anyone doing it - make sure to switch to 250hz in the Lua script. As you could see even in the video, on 500hz it reports only ~215 packets. Tango as it is today supports only rate up to 250hz. Also, it can only run 250mw.
Joshua Bardwell teaching me something again.. thanks
I have a Tango 2 and just picked up an ELRS module to take advantage of AIO whoop boards with built-in ELRS because I’m tired of Frsky failsafes. The cheaper component cost is also a benefit, with how pricey everything is going too..
Being able to fly 1-2s micros with the same peace of mind as my larger crossfire quads just makes sense to me.
Wow when you did the PIP of the bigger screen on the Tango 2 I was like WTH that looks awesome, I would love that! Thank JB!
Had to do a double take at 3:07 there when JB slipped his finger UNDER the LED screen 😂 Had me fooled right up to that moment!
Thank you. I just got going on my tango 2. I was wondering if I should switch. But now I know thank you sir. 🙏👊👊
Educational as always!
nice intro ;)
I wish we could use the ribbon cable to connect directly to a pcb module bypassing the need for bulky pins in the bay... it would result in a much more compact form factor.
Yea I know people do this mod
Nice. Thank you, Joshua. Was planning to install the module bay and configure my happymodel elea module this weekend.
Damn, son! You been workin' out! Lookin' good! 💪
I was actually wanting to try this. Thanks for making this video.
Thank you so much for this. You are in fact the man in fpv!
Make sure you change to 250hz. You can see in the lua at top right that it’s showing 215hz. That’s because you have it set to 500hz and tango can’t do that. Change to 250 and then it will show 250hz in top right of lua
hahah
I must admit, I bought the mdm adaptor and it's around here somewhere...
kinda been putting off doing the mod.
was just hoping for a nice native 2.4 ELRS that felt as nice.
just don't like the idea of dealing with modules.
kinda ruins what is nice about the tango2
Thanks for all the help like always!!!
Thank you for every Video JB
I somehow feel this was a teacher corriging my sheet on "how to make an fpv how-to video" thank you
Did it a couple months ago with the Slim Pro. I use Crossfire on anything bigger than 2.5 inches and ELRS on everything smaller (save two Redpine whoops). It is a great combo and is still my favorite controller.
crazy to watch each video sound completly different for these tangos the hype did build up indeed lol
Awesome that I can use multiple module and recieved with the binding phrase! Didn't know that.
Awesome, Joshua! Thanks a lot! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
4:55 The important difference between binding phrase and Wi-Fi password is that the Wi-Fi password is a secret while the binding phrase is explicitly public. It’s not a security feature, just a selector/matcher feature.
More of a feeling than a proven fact but maybe still worth considering: in areas with high density of high powered mobile antennas (like the area where I live), the likelyhood of your rc link being taken out by one of those antennas on 915Hz is a lot higher than on 2.4mHz, while the range of both Crossfire vs 2.4mHz ELRS is way beyond what most quads can go anyways. I think that might be a reason for some to switch, at least for me.
i know you did it in editing, but i would buy the Tango 2 instantly if it had a touchscreen that big, even if it was still monochrome
Exactly what I plan on doing
If I didn't have CSRF I would probably get ExpressLRS, Still love my tango 2
Aio and substantially cheaper and lighter rxs were the deciding factor for me. I love my small clean builds and crossfire just isn't the best option in any of those regards any more.
Did it myself in December. 😁👍
You make it look so easy. But it's hard as hell.lol.👍
I installed the module bay to use with tracer... CRSF for range & tracer for Freestyle
Yep,why would you use a Tango2 if your Crossfired already.....
=I,m "curious"about Express LRS ..and don,t want to buy another tx just to experiment...hence I,m going to use the Tango2.
SURELY...Trappy will bring something out to compete with Express LRS...I,m sure he doesn,t want TBS closing down?
Awesome video! What if mine is for JR module base, what should I do and I still want a Tango 2 rc?
Fits the BETAFPV ELRS Micro TX module to the tango 2
were i can download lua scrit ?
I did a stealth install of ELRS module inside my tango 2 without hurting original CRSF features.
Trappy is gonna be mad about the Intro 😂 👍🏼
removable drive is not showing up.. but it's charging. I click usb storage to no avail. tried different cables and usb ports.. guess I'm taking it apart to get the SD card out.
I love my tango but just typing "take it apart to get the SD card out" feel ridiculous 😑. how bout a slot tbs
I have the slim pro module from happymodel the new one with 2.0.1 and bf 4.3 rc2 sometimes my tango2 doesnt connect to the drone and i need to unplug the battery from the drone. the bf receiver tab shows me when this happens strange values on the channels and i am doing nothing values like 888 for throttle and than instantly 1390 something and dann 2000 and then 949...
Nice tutorial!
Does anyone have a link to a cover for the nano module for those times I've removed my ELRS module?
Exactly what I needed!
If the RadioMaster Zorro turns out being bad, I might just get a Tango 2 pro and elrs it up.
This is what I did. I couldn't wait for the zorro to be in-stock
Outsider working my way in. I was thinking this as well. The Zorro's sticks appear to be an issue for most reviews. Though I'm a fan of the frame.
7:00 - yours was at 215hz packet rate vs. the 500hz selected. Check to see if increasing Baud rate to 400,000 fixes it.
Won't help. Freedom tx is not capable of 500Hz...
Normally that's in the Hardware screen but I don't see it on the Tango 2. Any advice?
@@JoshuaBardwell don't bother. Set ELRS at 250Hz and wait for OpenTX / EdgeTX support for this unit
Yup @kazuzaPT is right, freedom TX can do at most 250Hz, so it goes all loopy when you try to run 500Hz
@@JoshuaBardwell firmware related.. Had the same thing.. After I did an update from OTX to ETX or from an older ETX to an newer ETX VERSION (don't remember) - then I saw this option..
Good video! that screen over was bizarre .... especialy if you point with your finger....
Gonna drop a like just for the thumbnail
Tango 2 can only run at 250 hz
Waiting on my Mambo being able to do 500hz. They can only do 250hz until the next version of Edge TX
What a great video thank u
Hey JB it isn’t the micro module. It will not boot up after flash. The target ist the one without the micro. Had the same problem
Josh what are the difference between the BetaFPV vs HappyModel ELRS TX Modules, you said others prefer the HappyModel, can't find any comparison reviews or whether there is now an alternative?
Im slightly stupid but where are you finding the com port
Interesting video. Why did you exchange the screen of the controller in the video with a tracked other video, though? Or is that a zoom?
2:28 omg i wish the display was that big lol
underrated comment, Please tbs read this :D
You hitting the gym over there JB? Looking slim!
Ok,,,, I dont understand why I would want to do this to my Tango 2.... its already CRSF. ........Is this to go 2.4 ?
7:26 min - the problem is that the switches are different (/ in a different position ?!) .
You need to match up the inputs / mixer right to make it work in a similar way as the main radio.
Why I would putt that if ther is nano crossfire ??????
thanks
Whats the battery life like?
This almost drove me insane after I spent 3 days trying to figure out what I had done wrong to get my new mobula6 elrs to bind to the elrs module on my tango2. All I ended up having to do was lower the PID loop frequency to 2k and overclock the FC to 120mhz.. The ELRS link was fine but because you have to build and flash the elrs module firmware yourself I thought that had to be the issue.
For a hot second I was thinking Joshua Bardwell had some mod on his Tango 2 making the screen like a 5” DOT Matrix display. Lol.
always good
the packet rate at the top seems to indicate that its only runing at 215hz instead of 500, i guess tbs is doing something to lock out elrs lol. Also tbs agent lua works with elrs so you dont even need to download anything:D
I am running 250hz and that's working solid, I had the exact same thing on my Tango on 500 hz. Need to wait for EdgeTX release for 500hz packet rate and gimbal polling, I believe. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure. Saw UAVTech commented something similar.
Thanks!
I almost thought there was a new tango II with a much bigger oled display 😅
When I plug in my happy model Slim pro 2 2.4 it does not suggest or identify a com port. It reads “manual serial device selection. Do you know what might be wrong?
so i have the 915 version so its different. you have to pull the case off and p[ush the button under the main button when its flashing and says pids failed tap it and it will finish correctly
There should be a mod to make the display larger on Tango 2!! like the zoomed in size in video! Like powerzoom for game boy :D
Thumbnail is too good.
How to install external module is Saône cutting soldering required?
i don't get it. why tho?
you already have the best long-range link.
I assume this is basically the same process if I purchased a mambo?
Yes!
@@JoshuaBardwell I'm buying it! Going to use it with ELRS, but grabbing a tracer receiver to experiment with while i'm at it!
@@JoshuaBardwellSo I am on the mambo, I downloaded the ELRS lua and its showing up in freedom tx, but when I open it I get syntax error? Is that just because I don't have the module in the controller yet? I am waiting on the adapter since I only have the nano!
Joshua you selected Betafpv 2400 TX micro, it isnt micro module!
I have a question… my R9M is ELRS flashed. Can I use that on the mambo instead of buying a happymodel module?
The thumbnail to this video is both funny and scary....
I’m confused on which comport to pick I’ve got three options.
Com8 Microsoft, com7 Microsoft and com3 silicon labs
Unplug the device. Whichever port disappears is the one you want.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks Mr. B!
Why haven't you built any drone recently ?
Hello Joshua ! This possible with Tango 1 ? To get elrs 868mhz ? This old model with fpv screen…
Yes. Any 900 MHz elrs module can do both 868 and 915.
Is it stable?
As a newbie. I understood Crossfire = Apple and ExpressLRS = Android.
Read my mind JB!
Who saw the video with ExpressLRS on the Flysky radio?
why someone would exchange using crsf on tano on elrs2???
Honestly I don't know but a bunch of people have asked.
The only thing that Tango 2 misses is a big screen like that in your video. :) :)
Is tango 2 support 500hz?
Do you know of any place I can get a Tango 2 currently? It seems to have been back ordered since Jun 2021. Did TBS discontinue it?
It's still being made just component shortages are a real hassle.
I've seen so many ppl in Germany 🇩🇪 sell their Tango 2.. Don't know why tho..
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks
@@Cre8ionz. yeah I can’t find any here
Why wouldn’t you want elrs over crossfire?! It has way better penetration even at 2.4ghz and better refresh rates?
yeah I didnt understand the purpose of doing this mod....
@@Farang_Lifestyles better refresh rates than tbs as well as penetration you can go way further in woods concrete buildings etc with elrs than you can with tbs tracer
What buttons do u use the hammer for??? Lol
4:31 Device Target should be the "non-Micro" as this module is the "Nano"
Yes, also that's why the elrs menu has a fan control entry even though this tx doesn't have one obviously.
Hahaha (0/215) Trappy doing Frsky things? TBS strikes again! I remember about a year ago there was a bug in freedomTX that only allowed 50Hz communication to the module bay and it was making tracer modules run at 50hz. I wonder if it's the same limitation? It's a shame such a good radio is so limited by its firmware.
It will only run up to 250hz. It’s showing 0/215 because lua is set to 500hz and it can’t reach that.
DUDE… your thumbnail was so clickbait!! Safety goggles and a hammer!?!!? AND DUCT TAPE!!??made me think someone may get pregnant ..😂😂🤣🤣.. seriously, love your “out-trows!! No matter what u post.. I’m always learning something .. so let me say..”thank you”…
My mambo was only running at 38 hz on firmware 1.31 i downgraded to 130 and itll run 250 Hz elrs just fine
0:215? Uh oh. Should be 0:250hz, right?
TBS must lock out ELRS
What? Why?
I noticed that the fpv guys round here want the most powerful RX that will have the longest range ....but they don't need it cause they never fly that far out.
Its like the kid who has a super fast drifter car but he only drives slow as hell in the fast lane.
Penetration!
Consistency/penetration ability to fly back with damaged antenna. Having an option ready is useful even if you don't use it all the time.
Yep, trees and walls are definitely things.
@@Przemo-c sounds like my crossfire rig..
@@TheOuterDrive I use crossfire as well and even with chopped antenna I was able to get back and I'm thinking of ELRS for my smaller quads .
Bardwell is really flipping out over elrs what’s so bad about crossfire?
Here are the things that ELRS does better than CRSF: ELRS is about 1/2 to 2/3 the price; ELRS runs in 2.4 GHz which has smaller antennas, less interference from other pilots, and can run at higher frequency (lower latency); ELRS can run up to 500 Hz. That's not to say that Crossfire has no advantages, but you asked what ELRS does better.