These videos always make me think - this channel deserves to blow up. I'm not even the biggest basketball fan out there (more of an NFL and NHL guy) but I'm always entertained and I feel like there's always some thoughtful discussion each video.
Thanks man for some reason this comment got held for review. lol that means a lot. I might branch out into some other sports as the channel grows. we'll see
I think the first ring chaser was actually another member of the Rockets, Clyde Drexler. He was on Portland for so many years but then joined Hakeem and won instantly. Bob McAdoo also joined the 80s Lakers when he was old af. Love ur channel btw!!!!!!
I feel like people use different arguments but they are are all good arguments like they use championships, who’s the better player and who had the better career…p.s I feel like you you will grow into a bigger channel and not trying to be corny but you are one of my favorite UA-cam and can’t wait for you to get 1 million subs one day
yeah, comparing players objectively is hard to do. I think it'd be interesting to try to measure which player has grown the game of basketball most. Nothing corny about that! Glad you're enjoying the channel!
6:38 the most un toxic version of this I saw was Kawhi and pg. Just 2 guys teaming up somewhere new. They tampered but they didn't go somewhere stacked or anything. Ad and boogie too This is fine to most fans bc you just know what's unfair when it happens. When harden threw a tantrum to get to Brooklyn despite it being a trade.
there's always a sacrifice being made because of the salary cap. The clippers don't seem to care about paying luxury tax, but ironically mo money mo problems.
@@whatslaps yeah but no one wants to be Bradley Beal. Legacy and perception no matter how inorganic it is, is what the modern guys care about. Green cried about pay on GS and lashed out at KD and Poole. He was the odd one out. Other than that legacy matters more to these guys and they're still getting max seals anyhow. Ex. LeBron and Steph, Russ, KD. And we all know those guys were in rings chase mode
Great vid and great conclusion. My thoughts on this have kinda always been, yes it is good and right to want to win rings, it is a team sport and whoever wins rings shows that they were part of the best team of a given season. But I believe it is equally important to seek to be the best (team) player you can be, and/but not find your ultimate identity in winning a ring or not. There have obviously been many ringless players who have had very successful careers and should be respected for what they contributed to the game, and should be proud of what they accomplished even if without a ring, and we as fans should be happy to have seen them do what they did on the court (and even more if they show themselves to be good people and likable off the court as well) and appreciate them for their skill, talent and ability. Whenever I hear debates about who was better than who, usually rings get brought up in the argument as to why one was better than the other, and my thought usually is "If player A switched places with player B, what are the chances that they would have won as many rings also?". Sometimes it is 'luck of the draw' for what team get to be on at any given time, along with plenty of other circumstances. Anyway, cool coverage of an interesting topic again. Always love your stuff, thanks again as always.
I feel like players should just do whatever they want to do. If they're staying with their team for the fans or moving to a new team to please the media that's on them. They just need to make the decision that's right for them. I've been doing a lot of thinking lately and I think the Lebron vs MJ debate is less about the two players, and more of a sign of tension between two generations of people. Thanks for the engagement, Skylar! glad you liked the video!
@@whatslaps oh yeah it's definitely social turmoil in there. Young entitled generation that's ignorant vs old heads going unheard I like the movement and zone better today but the officiating is horrible and it's creating new "GOATS". The things curry and GA and GS screeners get away with is egregious. Goat level players, scorers casually carrying the ball/traveling up court with no press lol Hand checking is bad but GA blatantly hitting 2x and not being called flagrant or offensive foul just so we can have a highlight is disgusting. This is supposed to be the skilled era but the offense is too physical. Curry has some of the worst blatant push offs and wrap around seals I've ever seen lol. It's not missing the calls but letting it happen Again I prefer today but the reffing is too manufacture a "skilled" era
7:12 I knew he cared about numbers bc early in his prime when he had wide open FT level jumpers he would hesitate so long bc he didn't want it. He didn't even use the space to drive. He would just stare and pass out with little time left kinda like how bron does sometimes to get a contested AST That really soured me on GA bc ppl already ignore he has 2 dpoy level guys on his team and give him all the credit. (1) Everyone knew Russ chasing 3x dubs was toxic but no one will say it about GA. I feel like padding rebounds and AST is especially egregious bc it looks the worst and is the cheapest. It's the most inauthentic in comparison to getting points. Some will FG% pad now so I especially keep track of that. The fake .5 court heavers, end of quarter... 😒 H8 THEM all (1)Same thing with Booker and that fake 70. Ad and Tatum with their AS game "record" too. That's not winning to me but petty HS level status chasing. This is why I like Luka and joker better. Also lesser help. I can't recall seeing them do it especially 🃏. Kobe could've touched 100 2 or 3x. Didn't. I wish players were more organic
@@whatslaps this is why Timmy's legacy is like the greatest stock investment over time lol. Goat value deal. Sadly Robinson doesn't get this love for some reason 🤔. But Tony and Manu still do ..extra weird This is also why everyone loved prime Kawhi and 2019 raps especially too. Pippen deserves more respect too, Bobby Jones, Pau
The same way LeBron started ring chasing by stacking the deck purely for a cheap resume boost/KD too, I feel like Dame is doing rn. I like him better than Steph and he can carry a team better than Steph ever could but I felt like when Dame openly started talking about his "loyalty" he was coping like melo was in Olympic medals vs rings argument lol. (1) I don't think he wanted to go to a contender bc he was so scared of that next level of competition where the teams were too damn loaded. GS in particular I felt like he didn't believe he could compete with bc they whooped him so bad despite his scoring brilliance and solo carrying. I feel like they kinda broke him competitively during that time, which they did to so many teams back then. So If he leaves Portland he has to win whereas he can be lil bro rn and say " I wasn't even trying". Lol So I feel like he's trying to be associated with someone like Dirk and Kobe and get a legacy boost rather than being actually loyal. Same way I don't feel like LeBron and KD wanted to compete. They just wanted a cheap filler to their resumes. I mean who was going to beat GS back then??.. 1. This is why harden deserves even more credit bc no one played GS better than Houston and Harden carried a load unlike anyone in history during his prime. The guy was iso carrying a team against the greatest team in history FROM the perimeter lol. Ppl say he choked but I believe it was a stamina issue. No one had a greater load all season and then you have to sprint through the finish line against the most spaced out team in history that gets all the dirty calls??
6:33 Jordan team was more organic and they grew together unlike KD GS or super Miami and maybe Super 6ers in 80s. Comparing teams is fine but when we start giving credit to individuals on the inorganic teams more credit than the organic ones it just feels ignorant bc it feels like fans of the inorganic era are just replying for the legacies of their guy rather than the team. Which again, is very annoying given how we know most those guys wanted an easy ring.
These videos always make me think - this channel deserves to blow up. I'm not even the biggest basketball fan out there (more of an NFL and NHL guy) but I'm always entertained and I feel like there's always some thoughtful discussion each video.
Thanks man for some reason this comment got held for review. lol that means a lot. I might branch out into some other sports as the channel grows. we'll see
I think the first ring chaser was actually another member of the Rockets, Clyde Drexler. He was on Portland for so many years but then joined Hakeem and won instantly. Bob McAdoo also joined the 80s Lakers when he was old af.
Love ur channel btw!!!!!!
good for drexler getting when the getting was good. also thanx!
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I feel like people use different arguments but they are are all good arguments like they use championships, who’s the better player and who had the better career…p.s I feel like you you will grow into a bigger channel and not trying to be corny but you are one of my favorite UA-cam and can’t wait for you to get 1 million subs one day
yeah, comparing players objectively is hard to do. I think it'd be interesting to try to measure which player has grown the game of basketball most. Nothing corny about that! Glad you're enjoying the channel!
This is an amazing channel, for real.
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Great vid as usual 👏
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6:38 the most un toxic version of this I saw was Kawhi and pg. Just 2 guys teaming up somewhere new. They tampered but they didn't go somewhere stacked or anything. Ad and boogie too
This is fine to most fans bc you just know what's unfair when it happens. When harden threw a tantrum to get to Brooklyn despite it being a trade.
there's always a sacrifice being made because of the salary cap. The clippers don't seem to care about paying luxury tax, but ironically mo money mo problems.
@@whatslaps yeah but no one wants to be Bradley Beal. Legacy and perception no matter how inorganic it is, is what the modern guys care about. Green cried about pay on GS and lashed out at KD and Poole. He was the odd one out.
Other than that legacy matters more to these guys and they're still getting max seals anyhow. Ex. LeBron and Steph, Russ, KD. And we all know those guys were in rings chase mode
Great perspective
thanks man!
Great vid and great conclusion. My thoughts on this have kinda always been, yes it is good and right to want to win rings, it is a team sport and whoever wins rings shows that they were part of the best team of a given season. But I believe it is equally important to seek to be the best (team) player you can be, and/but not find your ultimate identity in winning a ring or not. There have obviously been many ringless players who have had very successful careers and should be respected for what they contributed to the game, and should be proud of what they accomplished even if without a ring, and we as fans should be happy to have seen them do what they did on the court (and even more if they show themselves to be good people and likable off the court as well) and appreciate them for their skill, talent and ability. Whenever I hear debates about who was better than who, usually rings get brought up in the argument as to why one was better than the other, and my thought usually is "If player A switched places with player B, what are the chances that they would have won as many rings also?". Sometimes it is 'luck of the draw' for what team get to be on at any given time, along with plenty of other circumstances. Anyway, cool coverage of an interesting topic again. Always love your stuff, thanks again as always.
I feel like players should just do whatever they want to do. If they're staying with their team for the fans or moving to a new team to please the media that's on them. They just need to make the decision that's right for them. I've been doing a lot of thinking lately and I think the Lebron vs MJ debate is less about the two players, and more of a sign of tension between two generations of people. Thanks for the engagement, Skylar! glad you liked the video!
@@whatslaps how about Taurean Prince last night though huh?
Haha, I know. I told y'all he's got game.
@@whatslaps oh yeah it's definitely social turmoil in there. Young entitled generation that's ignorant vs old heads going unheard
I like the movement and zone better today but the officiating is horrible and it's creating new "GOATS". The things curry and GA and GS screeners get away with is egregious. Goat level players, scorers casually carrying the ball/traveling up court with no press lol
Hand checking is bad but GA blatantly hitting 2x and not being called flagrant or offensive foul just so we can have a highlight is disgusting. This is supposed to be the skilled era but the offense is too physical. Curry has some of the worst blatant push offs and wrap around seals I've ever seen lol. It's not missing the calls but letting it happen
Again I prefer today but the reffing is too manufacture a "skilled" era
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Can you do an analysis on the Milwaukee bucks?
I could work it into something.
7:12 I knew he cared about numbers bc early in his prime when he had wide open FT level jumpers he would hesitate so long bc he didn't want it. He didn't even use the space to drive. He would just stare and pass out with little time left kinda like how bron does sometimes to get a contested AST
That really soured me on GA bc ppl already ignore he has 2 dpoy level guys on his team and give him all the credit. (1) Everyone knew Russ chasing 3x dubs was toxic but no one will say it about GA. I feel like padding rebounds and AST is especially egregious bc it looks the worst and is the cheapest. It's the most inauthentic in comparison to getting points. Some will FG% pad now so I especially keep track of that. The fake .5 court heavers, end of quarter... 😒 H8 THEM all
(1)Same thing with Booker and that fake 70. Ad and Tatum with their AS game "record" too. That's not winning to me but petty HS level status chasing.
This is why I like Luka and joker better. Also lesser help. I can't recall seeing them do it especially 🃏. Kobe could've touched 100 2 or 3x. Didn't. I wish players were more organic
yeah, I'm the same way. I just like players who go out to get dubs and hit the showers
@@whatslaps this is why Timmy's legacy is like the greatest stock investment over time lol. Goat value deal. Sadly Robinson doesn't get this love for some reason 🤔. But Tony and Manu still do ..extra weird
This is also why everyone loved prime Kawhi and 2019 raps especially too. Pippen deserves more respect too, Bobby Jones, Pau
man u speak truth.
I just be seeing it, and telling it.
The same way LeBron started ring chasing by stacking the deck purely for a cheap resume boost/KD too, I feel like Dame is doing rn.
I like him better than Steph and he can carry a team better than Steph ever could but I felt like when Dame openly started talking about his "loyalty" he was coping like melo was in Olympic medals vs rings argument lol.
(1) I don't think he wanted to go to a contender bc he was so scared of that next level of competition where the teams were too damn loaded. GS in particular I felt like he didn't believe he could compete with bc they whooped him so bad despite his scoring brilliance and solo carrying. I feel like they kinda broke him competitively during that time, which they did to so many teams back then. So If he leaves Portland he has to win whereas he can be lil bro rn and say " I wasn't even trying". Lol
So I feel like he's trying to be associated with someone like Dirk and Kobe and get a legacy boost rather than being actually loyal. Same way I don't feel like LeBron and KD wanted to compete. They just wanted a cheap filler to their resumes. I mean who was going to beat GS back then??..
1. This is why harden deserves even more credit bc no one played GS better than Houston and Harden carried a load unlike anyone in history during his prime. The guy was iso carrying a team against the greatest team in history FROM the perimeter lol. Ppl say he choked but I believe it was a stamina issue. No one had a greater load all season and then you have to sprint through the finish line against the most spaced out team in history that gets all the dirty calls??
I got no comment on this one, but I read it.
The only thing I hate curry for is making the league a three point contest. But the way he won was better than LeBron so I have more respect for that.
Damn this video was a great crossover of basketball and a healthy societal existence. Preesh
I apreesh the preesh.
I think karl malone regrets "something else" more than not getting a ring💀💀💀
I don't know. He's seemed to disassociate (himself emotionally) pretty well from his past. Might do a video this summer about Malone.
@@whatslaps looking forward to that he's a polarizing player fs, I've always wondered how he maintains his legend status with that in his past.
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6:33 Jordan team was more organic and they grew together unlike KD GS or super Miami and maybe Super 6ers in 80s. Comparing teams is fine but when we start giving credit to individuals on the inorganic teams more credit than the organic ones it just feels ignorant bc it feels like fans of the inorganic era are just replying for the legacies of their guy rather than the team.
Which again, is very annoying given how we know most those guys wanted an easy ring.
yeah, I think part of basketball culture is the fact that players are always chasing something from the past that can't be obtained.