any cavs fan will tell you our team failed him but then non cavs fans will try and say that it was lebrons fault Edit: The comments under this prove my point😂
What do y'all think about the reaction people had when Lebron left nowadays? Because it was pretty ugly to see and it made the 2010 Cavs fans look like a bunch of immature adults crying about a player taking his career into his own hands. But then again, I'm not even American or a Cavs fan, so I don't know what it feels like to have the "Chosen One" in my team just to loose him for nothing in free agency lol
@@frameddonut1056 hes definitely loved here nowadays hes our biggest legend. the reaction was very bad at first because people didn't want to see him leave. after he won us a chip and people started thinking about it with less emotion they started to realize how much he did for our team
@@frameddonut1056coming from a non Cavs fan, their reaction really wasn’t that bad lmao. Anytime a star player leaves a team the fans always take it personally, and we see it in every sport: jersey burnings, signs, social media posts etc. One would say Cavs fans are mature as they welcomed back Bron with open arms and didn’t just blindly hate him cus he left when the organization was sorry.
@@frameddonut1056 I'm a Toronto fan, so have strong feelings about LeBron. Having the greatest comeback in finals history will get you a lot of goodwill.
@@timoehlers2265 At least Luka has special, great and unique moments. Every Playoffs and RS with him it's great, especially with the past series with the Clippers and Suns
LeBron left the Cavs because of their organizational failures. After drafting the 18 year old kid that was deemed ‘The Chosen One’ he lived up to and exceeded all expectations. LeBron James gave the Cavs 7 seasons of the best basketball an organization could ask for and they failed him. In those 7 seasons the cavs failed to hit on any draft picks and they also didn’t trade for another star. Still with no co-star LeBron managed to drag that cavs team to the finals in the 2006-2007 season where they got swept by Tim Duncan’s spurs despite LeBron having the most points and assists in the series. People like to bash LeBron for leaving the Cavs but they don’t know what they’re talking about, he gave them everything. It’s not LeBron’s fault for the cavs front office failures because given the situation, he was damn near perfect on the court.
Okay, they weren't that bad. They had a really good defense and good coaching. They couldn't get any offensive to help LeBron ever since Carlos Boozer walked in free agency.
I always said this , “LeGm” Bron only became a thing because of those 7 years in Cleveland! He most likely got ptsd from organizations thanks to those Cleveland years 😂
Yeah but miami got him bosh wade chalmers haslem miller jones joel battier cole ray lewis andersen plus turiaf bibby big z house juwan pittman harris beasley over 4 years and he still left ...can't do better than that with the money draft and trade restrictions they were facing....thats a great run of players they added that contributed to titles and finals runs ...not a single wasted player there....
@@razkablewell he left Miami for 2 reasons. 1. Wade and Bosh’s health were uncertain, especially Wade’s at the time. So it wasn’t clear if they could run it back and contend for another title. 2. He has unfinished business in Cleveland, now that they had Kyrie, Thompson, and Dion who only missed the playoffs by 2-3 games that year, all they needed was Lebron to be contenders. Kevin Love was just a sweetener.
i think the pressure on the front office stems from not wanting to repeat the same mistakes the cavs organization did in his 1st stint, but since his 2nd stint, especially when it was winding down, there was mounting pressure to make moves to build a team around lebron, that's why the cavs blew up their team twice in a span of around 5-6 months lebron not getting enough help during his 1st stint with the cavs, inadvertently did result in him having a very large influence in the front office decision-making where they had to acquire pieces that would help him, thus the "LeGM" thing
@@razkablehe had enough to make the finals? The moment he left cleaveland started getting number 1 picks lol. He is carrying scrubs his first stint and cleaveland. Im not even a lebron or cavs fan
@@razkable LMAO he led this shit franchise to the finals in 2007 and had back to back win 60 seasons in 2009 and 2010 and averaged 30 in the playoffs. Yeah he definitely choked
@le Jordan wouldn't have done sh*t with that cavs team either. Jordan is nothing without Pippen. top 5 player of his time and Jordan had him his whole career edit. Not whole career but for all of his rings
Do a video on The 2004 Charlotte Bobcats Expansion Team They tried to do the smart thing and tried to build a team for the future, it didnt work, all of their picks were busts. They sucked. How do you think they would have done if they built a win now team? In the expansion draft they could have taken veterans like Antoine Walker from Dallas, Jerry Stackhouse from Washington, Chucky Atkins from Boston, Eddie Jones from Miami, Ruben Patterson from Portland and some younger guys like Matt Barnes from LAC, Jason Kapono from Cleveland, Zaza Pachulia from Orlando, Gerald Wallace from Sacramento In the draft they would have had the 4th pick and their choice of Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris, Josh Childress or Luol Deng. None are franchise cornerstones but all had better careers than Emeka Okafor I think that would have been a year 1 playoff team with a 29 year old Jerry Stackhouse getting 15/3/2 in 30mpg at SG/SF and a 27 year old Antoine Walker giving 20/9 at PF, I think that Bobcats team, with the sake of hindsight knowing how bad they were at drafting and developing talent and knowing how leadless they were. They definitely would have benefited from having a more veteran roster and they would have benefited from having later picks in the draft, assuming that's a playoff team the first 2 or 3 years. The Bobcats expansion draft is a super intetesting topic thats never talked about. Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, what do you think was the best possible team they could have built with the expansion draft and their 2004 draft picks?
His vids are ass lol he's a nobody talking about NBA players how they failed lol bro don't talk about how he's falling in his life rn lol tf this guy do huh
It will always make me angry how the Cavaliers fans reacted to Lebron leaving when he carried the franchise so much even that bum team to the finals! And then when he finally was done with it and left they burned the home town hero’s jerseys
15:30 I had foot surgery the day LBJ hit that buzzer beater, and I remember springing up from my chair right onto my wounded foot. Thankfully I didn’t mess it up any more, but that’s one his top career highlights for sure.
Those Cavs were 60+ win teams sometimes, but what’s sad about em is that most of it was cuz of LeBron. It’s also sad that revisionists use those Cavs teams to criticize him, as if Mo Williams, Larry Huges, an old Shaq and Big Z was apparently more than enough help for him.
excuses for lebron. big z was one of the best centers in the nba at this time...kids today didnt witness the time and lebron fan goofballs from back in the days forgott the reality
Well let me get it clear: if it's 60+ wins team it's because of LbJ if they fail it's because teammates suck? How about "LBJ makes his teammates better" or it only works with the all-stars?
Like at no point did anyone think they were actually gonna get a series on the lakers spurs and later the celtics while they were good defensively they were a horrible offensive team relying on lebron to carry and those spurs magic and celtic series show it
@@volkarach0293 I grew up in the 2000s, at no point was Big Z up there with guys like Shaq, Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Yao Ming or even Marcus Camby. Hell, even if u count PFs that played center, like Dirk, Timmy D, KG or Amar’e, Big Z wasn’t even in the top 10. “Kids these days.” All the comments I see from u is complaining about LeBron LIKE a kid, ur point literally has no meaning.
I'm not saying LeBron is the GOAT or anything, but Jordan fans gloss over the fact what he had to deal with his first tenure as a Cavalier. Jordan was literally put in the perfect situation and when they got all those pieces together, they started winning. If they switched teams, I'm sure LeBron's career would look like Jordan's and then some. Plus, they brought in the greatest coach to put the cherry on top of those Bulls.
Thanks for this Dylan. A lot of MJ and Kobe fans blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland, but Cleveland never really built a solid supporting cast around LeBron. MJ threatened to leave in his earlier years as mentioned in Sam Smith's 1991 Jordan Rules book, and Kobe threatened to leave the Lakers for the Bulls I believe in 2007 after losing 4-1 in the Western Conference First Round vs the Phoenix Suns. I'm ok if you think MJ is the GOAT, I think the whole GOAT Debate is really subjective at the end of the day, but LeBron left Cleveland because they were not building around him and also there are rumours of personal issues with teammates.
The difference is the competence of their respective teams. The Bulls and the Lakers handle their stars' frustrations by making smart moves by drafting or trading great players to complement their stars and it paid off. I once hate Lebron because of this move but I'm still young back then and don't know shit so looking back I'm thinking right now that shit I'm glad Bron left that sorry ass organization
Bruh, lebron won in CLE😂.. Thanks kyrie lmfao.. But beside the fact, it's not like he's had trouble finding help, so why leave???.. Because he was losing?? Nobody else have 6Ls but bron
@@Bigedub101I mean 9 of those 10 that played were the core of the next year finals team plus they kept newble as well and he played so that makes 10...just add rookie gibson replace murray with him plus play more sasha less snow and damon and you have the main 11 playoff rotation guys on a finals team...the 12th man played like a few minutes total in the playoffs that year so....
@@hsfazal00Lebron choked against the Magic in 09 yall gotta stop lying lebron had help he had Big Z mo willaims boobie Gibson and Ben Wallace and drew Gooden
I never understood why the Cavaliers couldn’t get LeBron the help he needed in his first stint with them, but in his 2nd stint he got a lot more help. I feel like it’s because in LeBron 2nd run with the Cavs he knew what it took to win a championship.
I've always thought that Lebron being drafted by his hometown Cavs, and thus having his legacy be attached to them forever, was the worst thing that could have happened for his career.
It's the best to me, in abstract and substantially, the challenge, the connection, the ride, the downs, the thriving, the adversities. The 2016 comeback though, it's mainly because of that of course. Perfect. Thank god that he left and went to another eastern team though. And then returned ready and with some great moments like the 2012 series vs the Celtics and the 2012 Finals. If he was a Zion instead, of course It would've been already a ruined situation from the start and without anything to show for.
In retrospect him leaving taught him how to win at the highest level. When he came back to the Cavs he knew what was necessary from himself and his teammates.
@@dusk6159 2016 alone would put anyone else in the HOF, First ballot. I agree when Chuck says he is the greatest sports story of all time, but still i feel like had he drafted to a even remotely competent team, like Curry, KD, DWade, or MJ he would be the undisputed goat (and im a bulls fan lol) People give him shit calling him "LeGM" but its always been a compliment to me. It's because of the content in this video that he had to build that mindset because he couldnt trust his own front office to do any moves. Curry nor MJ ever had to lead and manage to magnitude of LeBron because they had organically built culture and elite coaching to rely on, Lebron never got to have that luxury outside of maayybe Miami (even then it wasnt to the level of the warriors or bulls). I still can't believe the Cavs owner publicly shitting on Lebron while he was already being shit on, the hate is uncomparable lol
@@euro51116 You're right on, that's the main point (plus wondering the if "everything was easier, set up and conducive to rack up things and greatness", he might even wonder and want that more than the ideal unanimous support for his boatload of hard and harsh adversities and accomplishments, which who knows if he would do and accept all over again, but I and we are for sure thankful that he doesn't have a magical choice of that kind). But, although I am more talking from a specific viewer perspective, not the majority of viewer's one, instead of if I were him, I would still stick with that story, past (not intending and meaning to necessarily mention the life stuff, although the struggle of not having a father contributes to the magic, hope and battle - despite being always blessed and talented in skills and body of course - , and ultimate success), rise and comeback. It is just special and also outside of the standard things (MJ's doing being for example superior to any other, even over Kareem and his own titles, besides the evaluation with Lebron who holds up). After all, rightfully so obviously, there are still loads of sectors calling him the goat.
Michael redd has gone on record saying he chose the bucks. Larry hughes was the 3rd option they wanted, first 2 being ray allen, then michael redd. Get ya facts straight bro
@@DMalltheway from the interview, I saw it sounded like it was more a comfort thing since he started his career in Milwaukee, and they took a chance on him with him being a second rounder. I believe he stated that on all the smoke, but I may be wrong. He also said that he regrets not going to Cleveland because he feels like if he was on the Cavs when they played the Spurs they could’ve won.
I love your vids but saying the Cavs chose Hughes over Redd is a straight up falsehood. The Cavs offered Redd the maximum amount of money they could and he chose to re-sign with the bucks. They obviously wanted him more but there is nothing more they could have done. Its easy to dunk on them for not getting the guy in hindsight but shitty to say they chose anyone over him when they offered him the max they could and he didnt want to sign regardless.
Exactly. I like his videos too but he’s missing many key aspects, including the Jiri Welsch trade, which I commented about. The Cavs did not trade two unprotected first round picks.
I remember that the Miami stuff happened when I was in the Middle School range and at the time I felt like he was being disloyal but when I got into my 20s I empathized with LeBron so much more. Granted The Decision is still kind of cheesy the circumstances surrounding his place in the NBA was something that I didn't realize how draining it must have been to be giving legendary performances for years and begging for help, only for the front office to give him a nearly retired Shaq and Anthony Parker while declining the deal to get Amar'e Stoudemire. I can't imagine how insulting and soul draining it is giving incredible performances year after year and being treated so cheaply and the Cleveland front office didn't deserve LeBron's work, especially now that we know how much effort and constant work he put into his body and craft. I'm happy that the Cleveland fans who treated LeBron well got closure in 2016, but that entire front office in the 2000s didn't deserve the amount of work LeBron put in. The silly comic sans letter is kind of really telling of that office's professionalism and arrogance, which made the huge record drop even more ironic after LeBron left (winning a Finals without LeBron, huh?). Another great video. I always drop what I'm doing when this channel uploads a new documentary.
Nuggets got the same problem regarding reliance. When Jokic goes off the floor, they dont know what to do. Too much reliance on one player increases losing chances.
Nuggets still good tho, didn't they beat the clippers without Jamal Murray and Jokic by like 20 earlier this season? An actual WORLD of difference in supporting cast lmao
Cleveland in 2009 & 2010 was actually seeded no.1 in the league with 66w and 61w, so they did have a strong team to win it all or at least expected to be in the Finals with home court advantage through out.
The 2010 cavs were built to make the finals and challenge bryant....lebron had already decided the summer before that he was leaving...that 10 cavs team after the jamison trade was nice af...they had delonte varejao gibson hickson big z off the bench with shaq jamison bron mo will and parker starting...in 2010 that's a finals roster
@@paulusrumanouw3176of course it isn't. someone should make a video comparing that Magic/Cavs series to Nuggets/Lakers last year. The team is good enough, but is Lebron good enough in the big moments?
@@Chef_curry_30. first off Kobe is my goat so great job assuming and being wrong lol. Secondly, who said anything about carrying? The team got him into the big moment and he gagged. Game one he missed an idiotic early shot clock 3, game 2 he missed a practically wide open layup, and game four he missed two straight clutch shots in a row when he had wide open teammates. You can't even make the dumb excuse that he "made the right play" lol he choked just like many other years. Keep slurping though
6:15 The Cavs didn’t trade two unprotected first round picks for him. They traded their own 2007 pick - which was top-10 protected. They already owed their 2005 playoff-protected pick to Charlotte, and in order to complete the Jiri Welsch deal they chose to unprotected. I know this is a mouthful, but you really should clarify this when you are making a video.
That and when he talks about Larry Hughes and Michael Redd he says “They chose the wrong guy” Well they didn’t choose Hughes. I’m a Bucks fan and can tell you Redd has gone out and said it was loyalty that had him re-sign with Milwaukee. They were kind of left with no choice but to chose Hughes cause Redd rejected them
I am a LeBron fan. I am also a jordan fan. They accomplished different things. If LeBron for his first seven years had got proper help, or at the very least not completely incompetent front office, I would conservatively assume he would have another ring. It is just crazy to see them give up on amazing players for dogshit ones
Jordan was in a good situation. Not good enough to win but not bad enough to get great picks (very similar to lebron except Jordan's teams were a bit worse) I agree with your assessment. It's rare to see people make logical points like this, well done
Would MJ have left Chicago for a better fit if Chicago never got Scottie? MJ fans don’t want to admit that acting like MJ was any good with mid rosters. The man has a negative W-L record in his career without Scottie and 1-9 in playoff series lol
@@PHXNKVHXLICwould scottie have been who he wss without the goat next to him. No. Yall over hyping scottie so much. Meanwhile lebron has been outplayed by numerous guys in the finals.
Lebron's first title came in a 66 game regular season. He doesn't win a 2nd ring if Ray Allen misses that clutch 3. Speaking of 3, if he doesn't instigate a flagrant foul by Draymond Green, then the Cavs never comeback from 3-1 dowen and he doesn't win ring number 3. His 4th ring is seen as a covid bubble Mickey Mouse ring. The only tittle he won w/o any dispute...is the in-season tournament sham of a trophy called the NBA Cup.
Most players that are drafted top 5 have a hard time developing team chemistry Bird and Magic were lucky they were drafted into a good situation not a team building situation it’s a big difference
LMAO the fan in the beginning who said Lebron leaving is "the worst thing that ever happened to him" used to be the producer on the biggest morning radio show in Cleveland #RMG, so it may have been a joke... but he was a good dude but was famous for crying on the air many times, back when #RMG was great...
Secret Base also has a really in depth two part documentary about the Cavaliers. Part one is the formation and early struggles, part two is an hour long video on LeBrons first stint in Cleveland. I recommend watching both
First stint they could have won one but the 2nd stint they didn’t have love or kyrie Irving for the entire playoffs in the first year and then after kyrie left, how are you supposed to beat 4 hall of famers on golden state ?
Lebron left not because of bad management but because management cannot give him what he want. He does not care about management. The proof is that he went back to Cleveland when he saw that the team finally got what he wanted.
WHO THE F wouldnt leave? No superstar EVERRR had such horrid teams the first half of their career.Look what happened the second he left 4 STRAIGHT finals with Miami then comes back and gets ROBBED in 2015 of a title when Kyrie busts his phucking kneecap yet wins the greatest ring in history the following year.Once he accomplished that he goes to LA and wins AGAIN during a pandemic that was mentally tough winning another ring.21 years of pure outstandingness IF HE ISNT THE GREATEST EVER THAN HE IS RIGHT BEHIND THE GREATEST
They replaced boozer money with gooden varejao more big z and marshall plus big ben...I think it worked personally....boozer wasn't worth it...they had more depth without him over those years after 04
Lebron has had 4 HOF careers throughout his career. 2003-2010: 6x all star 2 MVPs 1 finals appearance, 1 scoring title 2010-2014: 4x all star, 2 MVPs, 2 championships, 4 finals appearances, 2 FMVPs 2014-2018: 4x all star, 1 championship, 4 finals appearances, 1 FMVP 2018-present: 6x all star, 1 championship, 1 finals appearance, 1 FMVP, 1 Assist title 23 should be retired by Cleveland and LA with 6 retired by Miami Sincerely, A Warriors fan
LeBron was different back then, he could have stayed the course and probably would have won some championships in Cleveland without leaving. Going artificial in Miami got him some rings, but he lost legitamacy. He came back to Cleveland and had some pieces to win, but it feels tainted since he didn’t stay the course. More so, going to LA and trying to do it again artificially really didn’t get him closer to being a GOAT since people still ponder the bubble championship and his inability to not repeat. Now he is more interested in misusing his power than to win championships. Sad.
As an Ohioan it’s always funny to hear ppl say lebron kn Cleveland wasn’t as productive. Statistically he was the most productive player in modern basketball history when comparing him to his peers and his relative talent around him. And I don’t even like the guy but that much isn’t up for debate it’s just the data.
Joining an fmvp and championship team in d wade , and taking Bosh with you , watering down the already weak east , was a low integrity move . Lebronze let it be known he was chasing mj , and felt the pressure of not winning anything in Cleveland , so he jumped ship . Bcuz Lebronze isn’t a good leader , and couldn’t figure out how to play in a system , that’s why he never formed a dynasty . Instead he trades players , and fires coaches , and is a stat padder bcuz he knows he fell short of mjs greatness . The fact he choked in 2011 is karma , and getting spanked in 2014 , karma . Yall make excuses for your king , don’t make it right . He’s not competitive , and you can see this Banana boat culture friendly league Lebronze turned the nba into . No killer mentality . His longevity and stats is all he has left , in his mind . Doesn’t make you greater . Even his longevity is flawed .
Also lebron beating the pistons imo is the pistons own fault. If they kept Ben Wallace. I don’t think Lebron is scoring 25 straight. As you can see the bulls had the #1 defense. And who did they have? Ben Wallace
The more and more as time went the Cavs Org and fan bases reaction to him using his well, free agent ability was so wild, they never needed to “break the bank” but literally never seemed to try and make savvy moves
And if Jordan was Drafted to the Lakers he’d have 10, if he joined Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley or any other great of that time, especially if he went to New York he’d have more rings, LeBron would have at most 2 and probably just have just 1 if he never left Cleveland…so many ridiculous excuses and what if’s by LeBron fans, is this how you live your life as well?
@@TRYNDD my what if is still valid. You can create other what if that is also valid. We can both be right in our divigations. And Jordan would win 💩 without Scottie, Rodman 2 Hall of famers plus Kukoch Harper and other very good players.
Kobe was given shaq ceballos elden van exel old scott and horry to start and then got jones and fox and then harper and a.c. shaw and rice...he was fine early on....
if HELP is what he needed, he got that in spades in Miami and still left. The Warriors dynasty might have never even happened... they couldv'e easily earned another 4-5 rings. It's fine to blame the early years on the cavs ... but every failure after that stint, sits squarely on his shoulders.
Yeah wtf was he thinking? Originally I knew the cavs office was incompentent, but I didn't know they passed up on Stoudemire to keep a 2k generated player JJ Hickson. And then lebron left and he said cavs would win before lebron. Like what?
They didn't want to risk losing young cheap trade asset hickson for just a few months of amare without lebron committing to stay...they could of lost amare and lebron that summer and it didn't guarantee a title...jamison made more spacing sense with varejao shaq big z on the roster...
@@razkable nah. the cavs DEFINITELY would've reached or even won the finals if they had amare that season. If the cavs were close to beating the celtics WITHOUT amare, imagine what they could've done if he WAS there.
the fact that LeBron led this team to finals and let alone win 60+ games on multiple seasons truly is a testament to his greatness. The Cavs fo should feel ashamed about how they handled the situation.
@@Angel_559_ The question you should be asking is who would want to play for Cleveland when Lebron never fully committed to Cleveland. The guy resigned to Cleveland for two years after his rookie deal so he, Bosh, Melo and Wade could all be free agents at the same time. Any NBA player with a brain cell knew Lebron wasn't committed to Cleveland so why would they go to Cleveland and be stuck there after Lebron leaves. All Lebron fans do is make excuses
any cavs fan will tell you our team failed him but then non cavs fans will try and say that it was lebrons fault
Edit: The comments under this prove my point😂
What do y'all think about the reaction people had when Lebron left nowadays?
Because it was pretty ugly to see and it made the 2010 Cavs fans look like a bunch of immature adults crying about a player taking his career into his own hands.
But then again, I'm not even American or a Cavs fan, so I don't know what it feels like to have the "Chosen One" in my team just to loose him for nothing in free agency lol
@@frameddonut1056 hes definitely loved here nowadays hes our biggest legend. the reaction was very bad at first because people didn't want to see him leave. after he won us a chip and people started thinking about it with less emotion they started to realize how much he did for our team
@@frameddonut1056coming from a non Cavs fan, their reaction really wasn’t that bad lmao. Anytime a star player leaves a team the fans always take it personally, and we see it in every sport: jersey burnings, signs, social media posts etc.
One would say Cavs fans are mature as they welcomed back Bron with open arms and didn’t just blindly hate him cus he left when the organization was sorry.
@@frameddonut1056 I'm a Toronto fan, so have strong feelings about LeBron.
Having the greatest comeback in finals history will get you a lot of goodwill.
It was lebrons fault
I hope Wemby doesn't end up in the same situation
Wemby won't but for completely different reasons.
As a Mavs fan I hope Luka doesn't
@@timoehlers2265 At least Luka has special, great and unique moments. Every Playoffs and RS with him it's great, especially with the past series with the Clippers and Suns
@@timoehlers2265Luka has been in a similar situation but the Mavs are getting better
Spurs will handle it don't worry
LeBron left the Cavs because of their organizational failures. After drafting the 18 year old kid that was deemed ‘The Chosen One’ he lived up to and exceeded all expectations. LeBron James gave the Cavs 7 seasons of the best basketball an organization could ask for and they failed him. In those 7 seasons the cavs failed to hit on any draft picks and they also didn’t trade for another star. Still with no co-star LeBron managed to drag that cavs team to the finals in the 2006-2007 season where they got swept by Tim Duncan’s spurs despite LeBron having the most points and assists in the series. People like to bash LeBron for leaving the Cavs but they don’t know what they’re talking about, he gave them everything. It’s not LeBron’s fault for the cavs front office failures because given the situation, he was damn near perfect on the court.
Danny Ferry, Jim Paxson, Dan Gilbert going to hell for deplorable decision
how does a bad team win 66 games
@@ricardolozano5356lebron
@ricardolozano5356 when they have the greatest player in history bad teams can win games
@gokuswanson2037 who's fault is it when they lose?
I don’t blame him a bit for leaving
It’s alarming when your best teammate is Mo Willams
I mean Mo Williams was a pretty good player. But if that's the BEST YOU CAN GIVE HIM? Thats pathetic.
@@RarelyEvennyou taking mo Williams over Scottie pippen?
Mo williams , 2009 all star
@@Betroidscottie pippen , THE ONLY ALL STAR JORDAN PLAYER WITH , when rodman joined he was aged
LEBRON played with SIXTEEN 16!
@@user-wt5lm9kv1q who!?
It’s still crazy to me that LeBron led that awful 2007 Squad to the FINALS 🤯
Okay, they weren't that bad. They had a really good defense and good coaching. They couldn't get any offensive to help LeBron ever since Carlos Boozer walked in free agency.
All time carry job.
Quit discrediting him. They were AWFUL. @@G_54-GMG
Lebron carried them to the finals that year.
@@G_54-GMGthey were the 4th ranked defense in the league. Really not a bad team.
4:49 - The instant I heard mental health I knew that a Better Help Ad was coming
😂😂
And I keep hearing their horrible
Thanks for the timestamp so i know where to skip
congrats on the first sponsorship man, glad to see your hard work paying off 🎉🎉
his first sponsorship is with a shady company :(
His first sponsor was a god awful company
I always said this , “LeGm” Bron only became a thing because of those 7 years in Cleveland! He most likely got ptsd from organizations thanks to those Cleveland years 😂
Yeah but miami got him bosh wade chalmers haslem miller jones joel battier cole ray lewis andersen plus turiaf bibby big z house juwan pittman harris beasley over 4 years and he still left ...can't do better than that with the money draft and trade restrictions they were facing....thats a great run of players they added that contributed to titles and finals runs ...not a single wasted player there....
@@razkableMiami didn’t get him wade and bosh, the players agreed amongst themselves all to sign to the same place at the same time
@@razkablewell he left Miami for 2 reasons. 1. Wade and Bosh’s health were uncertain, especially Wade’s at the time. So it wasn’t clear if they could run it back and contend for another title. 2. He has unfinished business in Cleveland, now that they had Kyrie, Thompson, and Dion who only missed the playoffs by 2-3 games that year, all they needed was Lebron to be contenders. Kevin Love was just a sweetener.
i think the pressure on the front office stems from not wanting to repeat the same mistakes the cavs organization did in his 1st stint, but since his 2nd stint, especially when it was winding down, there was mounting pressure to make moves to build a team around lebron, that's why the cavs blew up their team twice in a span of around 5-6 months
lebron not getting enough help during his 1st stint with the cavs, inadvertently did result in him having a very large influence in the front office decision-making where they had to acquire pieces that would help him, thus the "LeGM" thing
Acting like the East wasn’t absolutely Putrid during that time. The West was filled with juggernauts
holy smokes, these videos are so well made bro 🙏 it’s always a great time watching them. great music choices too 🫡
* Shot for 22ppg, .395fg, .200 3pt, .69 FT% and commited 23 of the Cavs 44 turnovers in 07 Finals while Media and Bronsexuals blamed teammates
I am huge lebron fan, but i wasn't around with his first stint with the cavs and this documentary helps me understand him much better
No it doesn't....lebron choked a bunch back then...fact is he had enough to make many finals with the cavs and win the 2010 title
@@razkableI really hope your joking…because it doesn’t take a genius to know he had FAR from enough to win a finals in that first stint
@@razkablehe had enough to make the finals? The moment he left cleaveland started getting number 1 picks lol. He is carrying scrubs his first stint and cleaveland. Im not even a lebron or cavs fan
@@razkable LMAO he led this shit franchise to the finals in 2007 and had back to back win 60 seasons in 2009 and 2010 and averaged 30 in the playoffs. Yeah he definitely choked
@le Jordan wouldn't have done sh*t with that cavs team either. Jordan is nothing without Pippen. top 5 player of his time and Jordan had him his whole career
edit. Not whole career but for all of his rings
Yessir it’s always a good day when Dylan uploads
Do a video on The 2004 Charlotte Bobcats Expansion Team
They tried to do the smart thing and tried to build a team for the future, it didnt work, all of their picks were busts. They sucked.
How do you think they would have done if they built a win now team?
In the expansion draft they could have taken veterans like Antoine Walker from Dallas, Jerry Stackhouse from Washington, Chucky Atkins from Boston, Eddie Jones from Miami, Ruben Patterson from Portland and some younger guys like Matt Barnes from LAC, Jason Kapono from Cleveland, Zaza Pachulia from Orlando, Gerald Wallace from Sacramento
In the draft they would have had the 4th pick and their choice of Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris, Josh Childress or Luol Deng. None are franchise cornerstones but all had better careers than Emeka Okafor
I think that would have been a year 1 playoff team with a 29 year old Jerry Stackhouse getting 15/3/2 in 30mpg at SG/SF and a 27 year old Antoine Walker giving 20/9 at PF,
I think that Bobcats team, with the sake of hindsight knowing how bad they were at drafting and developing talent and knowing how leadless they were. They definitely would have benefited from having a more veteran roster and they would have benefited from having later picks in the draft, assuming that's a playoff team the first 2 or 3 years.
The Bobcats expansion draft is a super intetesting topic thats never talked about. Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, what do you think was the best possible team they could have built with the expansion draft and their 2004 draft picks?
Love your videos man. Great storytelling and editing.
His vids are ass lol he's a nobody talking about NBA players how they failed lol bro don't talk about how he's falling in his life rn lol tf this guy do huh
I made a video on how incrediable Lebron James was during his tenure with the Miami Heat, If you could check it out it would be much appreciated.
Respect for the pokemon music 💯
It will always make me angry how the Cavaliers fans reacted to Lebron leaving when he carried the franchise so much even that bum team to the finals!
And then when he finally was done with it and left they burned the home town hero’s jerseys
I made a video on how incrediable Lebron James was during his tenure with the Miami Heat, If you could check it out it would be much appreciated.
I love the editing and memes you've been including recently!
I made a video on how incrediable Lebron James was during his tenure with the Miami Heat, If you could check it out it would be much appreciated.
Dylan I love the P5 soundtrack choices. You use that shit real well.
The super mario 64 music in the background is just 👌
15:30 I had foot surgery the day LBJ hit that buzzer beater, and I remember springing up from my chair right onto my wounded foot. Thankfully I didn’t mess it up any more, but that’s one his top career highlights for sure.
Those Cavs were 60+ win teams sometimes, but what’s sad about em is that most of it was cuz of LeBron. It’s also sad that revisionists use those Cavs teams to criticize him, as if Mo Williams, Larry Huges, an old Shaq and Big Z was apparently more than enough help for him.
excuses for lebron. big z was one of the best centers in the nba at this time...kids today didnt witness the time and lebron fan goofballs from back in the days forgott the reality
Well let me get it clear: if it's 60+ wins team it's because of LbJ if they fail it's because teammates suck? How about "LBJ makes his teammates better" or it only works with the all-stars?
Like at no point did anyone think they were actually gonna get a series on the lakers spurs and later the celtics while they were good defensively they were a horrible offensive team relying on lebron to carry and those spurs magic and celtic series show it
@@volkarach0293 I grew up in the 2000s, at no point was Big Z up there with guys like Shaq, Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Yao Ming or even Marcus Camby. Hell, even if u count PFs that played center, like Dirk, Timmy D, KG or Amar’e, Big Z wasn’t even in the top 10. “Kids these days.” All the comments I see from u is complaining about LeBron LIKE a kid, ur point literally has no meaning.
Iverson had more trash teammates but he still won games against laker in finals
I'm not saying LeBron is the GOAT or anything, but Jordan fans gloss over the fact what he had to deal with his first tenure as a Cavalier. Jordan was literally put in the perfect situation and when they got all those pieces together, they started winning. If they switched teams, I'm sure LeBron's career would look like Jordan's and then some. Plus, they brought in the greatest coach to put the cherry on top of those Bulls.
couldnt have said it better, ive thought of this for a long time but recently it really hit me then i see this
Thanks for this Dylan. A lot of MJ and Kobe fans blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland, but Cleveland never really built a solid supporting cast around LeBron. MJ threatened to leave in his earlier years as mentioned in Sam Smith's 1991 Jordan Rules book, and Kobe threatened to leave the Lakers for the Bulls I believe in 2007 after losing 4-1 in the Western Conference First Round vs the Phoenix Suns. I'm ok if you think MJ is the GOAT, I think the whole GOAT Debate is really subjective at the end of the day, but LeBron left Cleveland because they were not building around him and also there are rumours of personal issues with teammates.
Yeah, and if it wasn’t for Scottie Pippen stepping up at the time and the Lakers acquiring Pau Gasol, then things would have been alot different today
The difference is the competence of their respective teams. The Bulls and the Lakers handle their stars' frustrations by making smart moves by drafting or trading great players to complement their stars and it paid off. I once hate Lebron because of this move but I'm still young back then and don't know shit so looking back I'm thinking right now that shit I'm glad Bron left that sorry ass organization
for the record i think Kobe is the goat and i don’t blame lebron for leaving
Bruh, lebron won in CLE😂.. Thanks kyrie lmfao.. But beside the fact, it's not like he's had trouble finding help, so why leave???.. Because he was losing?? Nobody else have 6Ls but bron
@@juliuscaesar6994 nobody else has 6 Ls in the finals because they aren’t good enough to go to the finals 10 times. What a stupid argument
Whenever I watch Dylan’s video I always sit down and grab something to eat it’s like a mini movie 🍿 ❤
Bro’s a JRPG fan, I love it lol
facts, when the persona 5 mementos music hit I was vibing
Dog ever since playing persona 5 I swear I can’t do anything without hearing at least one song off the sound track (it’s so good I love it)
@@JJ23 ahahaha I peeped the xenosaga too
I thought my playlist was playing over the video for a second when freedom and peace came on 😂
Ok nerds
These video qualities are getting better and better
Never thought I’d hear “Respect Your Elders” from Smash Melee on an NBA video 😭😭
9:17. Man that roster made me physically cringe
Look at the 2001 Sixers to be disgusted as well
Exactly and they act like that's a Finals roster to go up against. Prime Dùncan,Parker and Ginobli
Tripping. That was a solid defensive roster, with all star help in Zydrunas Ilgaskus; and all nba 1st team defensive help in Larry Hughes.
@@Bigedub101I mean 9 of those 10 that played were the core of the next year finals team plus they kept newble as well and he played so that makes 10...just add rookie gibson replace murray with him plus play more sasha less snow and damon and you have the main 11 playoff rotation guys on a finals team...the 12th man played like a few minutes total in the playoffs that year so....
@@Joswagsnow is on both teams what a coniciendence
The 2009 finals... The Kobe vs LeBron final is forever gonna be one of the biggest "what if" in sport history
As a kid I was so excited for this matchup
Lakers win in 5
@@jamalwalker04bron & the cavs winning in 6
@@hsfazal00Lebron choked against the Magic in 09 yall gotta stop lying lebron had help he had Big Z mo willaims boobie Gibson and Ben Wallace and drew Gooden
Unfortunately Dwight happened to choke the shit out of those finals who went from 25.8ppg on 65% FG in the 2009 ECF to 15.5ppg on 48% FG in the Finals
This is a great part 1, cant wait to see what part 2 looks like!
I made a video on how incrediable Lebron James was during his tenure with the Miami Heat, If you could check it out it would be much appreciated.
I never understood why the Cavaliers couldn’t get LeBron the help he needed in his first stint with them, but in his 2nd stint he got a lot more help. I feel like it’s because in LeBron 2nd run with the Cavs he knew what it took to win a championship.
LeBron Stans still make the same excuse no matter how much help he gets. No one wants to consider maybe he's just not that guy
Bro PLEASE POST MORE
babe wake up, dylandoesbasketball dropped a new video
love the subtle nod to the Corneria theme from SSBM lol
I've always thought that Lebron being drafted by his hometown Cavs, and thus having his legacy be attached to them forever, was the worst thing that could have happened for his career.
It's the best to me, in abstract and substantially, the challenge, the connection, the ride, the downs, the thriving, the adversities.
The 2016 comeback though, it's mainly because of that of course. Perfect.
Thank god that he left and went to another eastern team though. And then returned ready and with some great moments like the 2012 series vs the Celtics and the 2012 Finals.
If he was a Zion instead, of course It would've been already a ruined situation from the start and without anything to show for.
In retrospect him leaving taught him how to win at the highest level. When he came back to the Cavs he knew what was necessary from himself and his teammates.
Honestly it’s not a bad case but his career still went a good direction does make you think how dominant he’d be on any decent team in that era
@@dusk6159 2016 alone would put anyone else in the HOF, First ballot. I agree when Chuck says he is the greatest sports story of all time, but still i feel like had he drafted to a even remotely competent team, like Curry, KD, DWade, or MJ he would be the undisputed goat (and im a bulls fan lol)
People give him shit calling him "LeGM" but its always been a compliment to me. It's because of the content in this video that he had to build that mindset because he couldnt trust his own front office to do any moves. Curry nor MJ ever had to lead and manage to magnitude of LeBron because they had organically built culture and elite coaching to rely on, Lebron never got to have that luxury outside of maayybe Miami (even then it wasnt to the level of the warriors or bulls).
I still can't believe the Cavs owner publicly shitting on Lebron while he was already being shit on, the hate is uncomparable lol
@@euro51116 You're right on, that's the main point (plus wondering the if "everything was easier, set up and conducive to rack up things and greatness", he might even wonder and want that more than the ideal unanimous support for his boatload of hard and harsh adversities and accomplishments, which who knows if he would do and accept all over again, but I and we are for sure thankful that he doesn't have a magical choice of that kind). But, although I am more talking from a specific viewer perspective, not the majority of viewer's one, instead of if I were him, I would still stick with that story, past (not intending and meaning to necessarily mention the life stuff, although the struggle of not having a father contributes to the magic, hope and battle - despite being always blessed and talented in skills and body of course - , and ultimate success), rise and comeback. It is just special and also outside of the standard things (MJ's doing being for example superior to any other, even over Kareem and his own titles, besides the evaluation with Lebron who holds up).
After all, rightfully so obviously, there are still loads of sectors calling him the goat.
Love to see you getting a sponsor man!! Your content is always so entertaining you deserve all the success
The title should really be “How the Cleveland Cavaliers failed LeBron James”
Edit: w title change
That’s what the title is now, what was it before?
@@MadGunnyidk
@@MadGunnyit was “how lebron james failed the Cleveland Cavaliers”
@@Kawhiburnergaming that's what it should be
@@sparkyfisternuh uh
Biggest mistake was not trading JJ Hickson for Amare Stoudemire.
This guy is the Emplemon of basketball, I love it 😂👍🏼💯
Michael redd has gone on record saying he chose the bucks. Larry hughes was the 3rd option they wanted, first 2 being ray allen, then michael redd. Get ya facts straight bro
He chose the $$$$
@@DMalltheway from the interview, I saw it sounded like it was more a comfort thing since he started his career in Milwaukee, and they took a chance on him with him being a second rounder. I believe he stated that on all the smoke, but I may be wrong. He also said that he regrets not going to Cleveland because he feels like if he was on the Cavs when they played the Spurs they could’ve won.
@@Foreriverricky Cavs didn’t offer as much as MIL, that’s what it came down to and honestly it wouldn’t have made the Cavs much better.
I love your vids but saying the Cavs chose Hughes over Redd is a straight up falsehood. The Cavs offered Redd the maximum amount of money they could and he chose to re-sign with the bucks. They obviously wanted him more but there is nothing more they could have done. Its easy to dunk on them for not getting the guy in hindsight but shitty to say they chose anyone over him when they offered him the max they could and he didnt want to sign regardless.
Exactly. I like his videos too but he’s missing many key aspects, including the Jiri Welsch trade, which I commented about. The Cavs did not trade two unprotected first round picks.
@@watershed6092 all that was fine but giving up amare was litteraly terrible
Your videos are great man keep it up!!
I remember that the Miami stuff happened when I was in the Middle School range and at the time I felt like he was being disloyal but when I got into my 20s I empathized with LeBron so much more. Granted The Decision is still kind of cheesy the circumstances surrounding his place in the NBA was something that I didn't realize how draining it must have been to be giving legendary performances for years and begging for help, only for the front office to give him a nearly retired Shaq and Anthony Parker while declining the deal to get Amar'e Stoudemire. I can't imagine how insulting and soul draining it is giving incredible performances year after year and being treated so cheaply and the Cleveland front office didn't deserve LeBron's work, especially now that we know how much effort and constant work he put into his body and craft. I'm happy that the Cleveland fans who treated LeBron well got closure in 2016, but that entire front office in the 2000s didn't deserve the amount of work LeBron put in. The silly comic sans letter is kind of really telling of that office's professionalism and arrogance, which made the huge record drop even more ironic after LeBron left (winning a Finals without LeBron, huh?).
Another great video. I always drop what I'm doing when this channel uploads a new documentary.
babe wake up dylan posted
I can't believe the Cavs chose Hughes over Michael Redd. Redd was really underrated
Dan gilbert worst owner in the history of sports bro.
Nuggets got the same problem regarding reliance. When Jokic goes off the floor, they dont know what to do. Too much reliance on one player increases losing chances.
Difference Jokic won a ring
Nuggets still good tho, didn't they beat the clippers without Jamal Murray and Jokic by like 20 earlier this season? An actual WORLD of difference in supporting cast lmao
@@VyuelYeah, but lost every other game with both teams having full rosters.
@@Idontknowhoiamanymorethe difference is Joker had a solid team and great Robin
@@gokuswanson2037 you guys love making excuses for lefraud
Finally a Cleveland LeBron video
DYLAN UPLOADED AND ON A FRIDAY TOO 💯🎉
Cleveland in 2009 & 2010 was actually seeded no.1 in the league with 66w and 61w, so they did have a strong team to win it all or at least expected to be in the Finals with home court advantage through out.
The 2010 cavs were built to make the finals and challenge bryant....lebron had already decided the summer before that he was leaving...that 10 cavs team after the jamison trade was nice af...they had delonte varejao gibson hickson big z off the bench with shaq jamison bron mo will and parker starting...in 2010 that's a finals roster
@@razkable yeah so the notion that the Cavs organization failed LBJ by surrounding him with bums is not entirely true!
@@paulusrumanouw3176of course it isn't. someone should make a video comparing that Magic/Cavs series to Nuggets/Lakers last year. The team is good enough, but is Lebron good enough in the big moments?
@@TheForkOnTheLeftistexpecting LeBron to carry this team at 39 is the biggest reach typical Michael Jorgamble fanboy 😭🙏
@@Chef_curry_30. first off Kobe is my goat so great job assuming and being wrong lol. Secondly, who said anything about carrying? The team got him into the big moment and he gagged. Game one he missed an idiotic early shot clock 3, game 2 he missed a practically wide open layup, and game four he missed two straight clutch shots in a row when he had wide open teammates. You can't even make the dumb excuse that he "made the right play" lol he choked just like many other years. Keep slurping though
6:15 The Cavs didn’t trade two unprotected first round picks for him.
They traded their own 2007 pick - which was top-10 protected.
They already owed their 2005 playoff-protected pick to Charlotte, and in order to complete the Jiri Welsch deal they chose to unprotected.
I know this is a mouthful, but you really should clarify this when you are making a video.
That and when he talks about Larry Hughes and Michael Redd he says “They chose the wrong guy”
Well they didn’t choose Hughes. I’m a Bucks fan and can tell you Redd has gone out and said it was loyalty that had him re-sign with Milwaukee. They were kind of left with no choice but to chose Hughes cause Redd rejected them
First Team All-Cardio is crazy 💀💀
I am a LeBron fan. I am also a jordan fan. They accomplished different things. If LeBron for his first seven years had got proper help, or at the very least not completely incompetent front office, I would conservatively assume he would have another ring. It is just crazy to see them give up on amazing players for dogshit ones
Jordan was in a good situation. Not good enough to win but not bad enough to get great picks (very similar to lebron except Jordan's teams were a bit worse) I agree with your assessment. It's rare to see people make logical points like this, well done
I’m a fan of both too 😂. I’m too young for the Jordan era but he’s my favorite all time and Bron’s my seconds favorite.
Would MJ have left Chicago for a better fit if Chicago never got Scottie? MJ fans don’t want to admit that acting like MJ was any good with mid rosters. The man has a negative W-L record in his career without Scottie and 1-9 in playoff series lol
@@gokuswanson2037jordan came into s way worse situation.
@@PHXNKVHXLICwould scottie have been who he wss without the goat next to him. No.
Yall over hyping scottie so much.
Meanwhile lebron has been outplayed by numerous guys in the finals.
Lebron's first title came in a 66 game regular season. He doesn't win a 2nd ring if Ray Allen misses that clutch 3. Speaking of 3, if he doesn't instigate a flagrant foul by Draymond Green, then the Cavs never comeback from 3-1 dowen and he doesn't win ring number 3. His 4th ring is seen as a covid bubble Mickey Mouse ring. The only tittle he won w/o any dispute...is the in-season tournament sham of a trophy called the NBA Cup.
Most players that are drafted top 5 have a hard time developing team chemistry Bird and Magic were lucky they were drafted into a good situation not a team building situation it’s a big difference
Let’s gooo new video
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LMAO the fan in the beginning who said Lebron leaving is "the worst thing that ever happened to him" used to be the producer on the biggest morning radio show in Cleveland #RMG, so it may have been a joke... but he was a good dude but was famous for crying on the air many times, back when #RMG was great...
The 21 years of seeking help. This guy took "stop it, get some help" to literally
Mj didn’t have to look his legendary gm sat hall of fame players on his lap
Secret Base also has a really in depth two part documentary about the Cavaliers. Part one is the formation and early struggles, part two is an hour long video on LeBrons first stint in Cleveland. I recommend watching both
KEEP THE GOAT VID COMING
Imagine giving Lebron the help he needed early in his career, that would've sealed the goat debate.
It’s insane how the cavs had a generational talent lebron for 11 seasons and only managed to win 1 championship
First stint they could have won one but the 2nd stint they didn’t have love or kyrie Irving for the entire playoffs in the first year and then after kyrie left, how are you supposed to beat 4 hall of famers on golden state ?
@@Disneymagic24They would've never won in his first stint
@@Disneymagic24Were they ever going to beat the Spurs or Lakers in the finals?
The legend is back
Love the videos
Lebron left not because of bad management but because management cannot give him what he want. He does not care about management. The proof is that he went back to Cleveland when he saw that the team finally got what he wanted.
WHO THE F wouldnt leave? No superstar EVERRR had such horrid teams the first half of their career.Look what happened the second he left 4 STRAIGHT finals with Miami then comes back and gets ROBBED in 2015 of a title when Kyrie busts his phucking kneecap yet wins the greatest ring in history the following year.Once he accomplished that he goes to LA and wins AGAIN during a pandemic that was mentally tough winning another ring.21 years of pure outstandingness IF HE ISNT THE GREATEST EVER THAN HE IS RIGHT BEHIND THE GREATEST
4:59 lmao knew it was a betterhelp ad right here.
3:49 the way the cavs let boozer go was nasty worl
They replaced boozer money with gooden varejao more big z and marshall plus big ben...I think it worked personally....boozer wasn't worth it...they had more depth without him over those years after 04
No way you used persona 5 music for this vid, damm man love this video.
Lebron has had 4 HOF careers throughout his career.
2003-2010: 6x all star 2 MVPs 1 finals appearance, 1 scoring title
2010-2014: 4x all star, 2 MVPs, 2 championships, 4 finals appearances, 2 FMVPs
2014-2018: 4x all star, 1 championship, 4 finals appearances, 1 FMVP
2018-present: 6x all star, 1 championship, 1 finals appearance, 1 FMVP, 1 Assist title
23 should be retired by Cleveland and LA with 6 retired by Miami
Sincerely,
A Warriors fan
i love your vids brooooo they so good
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@@Jxmybuckets
19:20 We just gonna gloss over this one?
LeBron was different back then, he could have stayed the course and probably would have won some championships in Cleveland without leaving. Going artificial in Miami got him some rings, but he lost legitamacy. He came back to Cleveland and had some pieces to win, but it feels tainted since he didn’t stay the course. More so, going to LA and trying to do it again artificially really didn’t get him closer to being a GOAT since people still ponder the bubble championship and his inability to not repeat. Now he is more interested in misusing his power than to win championships. Sad.
1st team all cardio is hilarious 🤣
DYLAN WITH ANOTHER VIDEOOOO
Can we get an elbow reveal? The people wanna see bro
As an Ohioan it’s always funny to hear ppl say lebron kn Cleveland wasn’t as productive. Statistically he was the most productive player in modern basketball history when comparing him to his peers and his relative talent around him. And I don’t even like the guy but that much isn’t up for debate it’s just the data.
he shouldve left cleveland wayy earlier fr.
That Mario 64 music at 13:20 🔥🔥
Joining an fmvp and championship team in d wade , and taking Bosh with you , watering down the already weak east , was a low integrity move . Lebronze let it be known he was chasing mj , and felt the pressure of not winning anything in Cleveland , so he jumped ship . Bcuz Lebronze isn’t a good leader , and couldn’t figure out how to play in a system , that’s why he never formed a dynasty . Instead he trades players , and fires coaches , and is a stat padder bcuz he knows he fell short of mjs greatness . The fact he choked in 2011 is karma , and getting spanked in 2014 , karma . Yall make excuses for your king , don’t make it right . He’s not competitive , and you can see this Banana boat culture friendly league Lebronze turned the nba into . No killer mentality . His longevity and stats is all he has left , in his mind . Doesn’t make you greater . Even his longevity is flawed .
Loved this video. Maybe video of Kobe’s legacy after Shaq left and his back to back?
Persona music goes crazy
That 07 run was very overrated. He didn't play a team with a winning record till the ecf 🤦🏿♂️
Also lebron beating the pistons imo is the pistons own fault. If they kept Ben Wallace. I don’t think Lebron is scoring 25 straight. As you can see the bulls had the #1 defense. And who did they have? Ben Wallace
Imagine thinking JJ Hickson is more valuable to your team than Amar’e Stoudamire
They really gave Bron everybody after their prime l🤦🏿♂️ Ben Wallace, Shaq, Jamison all past their prime
Babe wake up Dylan did more basketball
Dylan you always cook bro
The more and more as time went the Cavs Org and fan bases reaction to him using his well, free agent ability was so wild, they never needed to “break the bank” but literally never seemed to try and make savvy moves
GOAT discussion would be over if they didn't waste LeBron first 7 years. He would have at least 2-3 more rings.
Agreed
And if Jordan was Drafted to the Lakers he’d have 10, if he joined Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley or any other great of that time, especially if he went to New York he’d have more rings, LeBron would have at most 2 and probably just have just 1 if he never left Cleveland…so many ridiculous excuses and what if’s by LeBron fans, is this how you live your life as well?
@@TRYNDD my what if is still valid. You can create other what if that is also valid. We can both be right in our divigations. And Jordan would win 💩 without Scottie, Rodman 2 Hall of famers plus Kukoch Harper and other very good players.
ummmmmm is Dylandoesbasketball a smash fan???!!! love this background music at 1:42 lol
ok I'm hearing more melee music at 9:00. Dylan, let's play on slippi
im so glad players like Kobe and MJ didnt give up and People like Jerry Buss and Krause werent stupid
Kobe was given shaq ceballos elden van exel old scott and horry to start and then got jones and fox and then harper and a.c. shaw and rice...he was fine early on....
given? no more like they were already there lol@@razkable
Bruh what are you talking about? Kobe was ready to walk outta LA in 2008 until Jerry West saved his ass with Pau Gasol
@@BooBooDaFoo330 you mean when he wanted a trade and said it publicly and rescinded it after he was talked to by the org?
@@christophermauro-barias7451 do you remember when Kobe quitted in game 7 against the Suns in 2006 after blowing a 3-1 lead 😂
if HELP is what he needed, he got that in spades in Miami and still left. The Warriors dynasty might have never even happened... they couldv'e easily earned another 4-5 rings.
It's fine to blame the early years on the cavs ... but every failure after that stint, sits squarely on his shoulders.
Lebron has(d) such a historic career with basically wasting almost the 1st half of his career with the cavs
I heard the Corneria theme being played and then realized it was the Leffen diss track version, let's gooooooo
Lmao Cavs didn’t want to trade JJ Hickson and Igauskas 😂
Just shameful
Pathetic. LeBron should've left way sooner. Then the owner had the nerve to write that abysmal letter slandering LeBron. What a punk
Yeah wtf was he thinking? Originally I knew the cavs office was incompentent, but I didn't know they passed up on Stoudemire to keep a 2k generated player JJ Hickson. And then lebron left and he said cavs would win before lebron. Like what?
They didn't want to risk losing young cheap trade asset hickson for just a few months of amare without lebron committing to stay...they could of lost amare and lebron that summer and it didn't guarantee a title...jamison made more spacing sense with varejao shaq big z on the roster...
@@razkable nah. the cavs DEFINITELY would've reached or even won the finals if they had amare that season. If the cavs were close to beating the celtics WITHOUT amare, imagine what they could've done if he WAS there.
the fact that LeBron led this team to finals and let alone win 60+ games on multiple seasons truly is a testament to his greatness. The Cavs fo should feel ashamed about how they handled the situation.
babe wake up, dylansoesbasketball posted (there is no babe i suffer from severe loneliness)
Yeah... Why couldn't the Cavs build him a superteam? 🤦
Who tf could the Cavs trade for and Who would want to play for Cleveland?
@@Angel_559_ The question you should be asking is who would want to play for Cleveland when Lebron never fully committed to Cleveland. The guy resigned to Cleveland for two years after his rookie deal so he, Bosh, Melo and Wade could all be free agents at the same time.
Any NBA player with a brain cell knew Lebron wasn't committed to Cleveland so why would they go to Cleveland and be stuck there after Lebron leaves. All Lebron fans do is make excuses
@@Angel_559_Gilbert arenas and they coulda drafted jr nic batum serge ibaka but they didn’t