I’ve been so excited for this video and I can say I came out with so many key bits of knowledge that I can now implement. EL Zone will be a game changer for failing contrast ratios on skin tones etc. Thanks for putting in that work.
Until your video, I thought all of my SmallHD products were unable to update to Pageos5. Glad I watched! Just updated mine and man between this tool and Ed explaining it is incredible! Thanks for this!
Great video. I'm hooked on EL Zone. Failing to distinguish mid-tone grays in Arri false color caused me to miss skin tones. Huge respect to Ed Lachman for pushing this newer approach.
My favorite monitor of all time is the SmallHD Focus 5 OLED. Super light weight. Low power consumption. Touch screen. Perfect blacks. Only downside is low nits for outdoor shooting.
Must admit I hated the 502 monitor I had, nice and small but had constant overheating issues with it despite sending it back twice. That said I’d be tempted to look at one of these newer monitors now it seems like they’ve improved build of them.
Ansel Adams would be very proud to see the Zone System finding a new place in video production like this. He passed away right as the technologies behind digital cameras and photoshop were being invented and was a big fan of the future in store for photography.
The more I hear about EL zone, the more I get excited about the future of filmmaking. This all came from asking "why?" and look where it's gotten us. Why is false color the go-to for exposure and bam, here we are with EL zone. Can you imagine other principles that we follow that need to be questioned? This is pretty exciting! Now to get a monitor that uses EL zone. lol
"then you buy a car, adopt three children, marry one woman, have another on the side, aquire an university degree in civil engeneering and metaphysics, learn how to play racketball, practise the trumpet daily, and then you have set up el zone."
Hi, great video, do you know if there are differences between Indie 5 and Indie 7 (besides screen size)? I see that they are currently both at the same price and the Indie 7 is a little less thick. Thanks!
Thanks! What do you recommend for a beginner? 5" or 7"? After watching your video I thought it would be an excellent tool to learn much more with EL Zone.@@CineDailies
I've seen a lot of negative reviews regarding the fan (for the Indie). Is this blown out of proportion? Or do you have issues with this as well. Thank you for making this vid!
NGL, When I first heard about EL Zone I was kinda ticked because I loved using False Color so much but after learning about the pipeline for color production and the difference it makes... I bought a 702 and im not looking back! There is just simply no more guessing. Everything turns out how I expect it will
Definitely helps put a foot in the door (considering the price ;0). My perfect monitor would be something like this, with a price between the CINE 5 and the Shinobi, with the possibility to record proxy codec files with the camera naming system on a SD card!
weird question..... Is your B cam (Cam right) and cell phone footage shot at 60fps? Not sure why but my eyes felt something different. Love the info man! always happy to see another video.
Same experience just different sizes. in this case I prefer the small SD 5 inch over the 7 just because of the weight. my kinemon 7 monitor is perfect because it’s light.
@@CineDailies appreciate the response. I shoot xh2s and buddy just brought the indie 7 by to check out, definitely makes the rig a bit more fat, but I see more 7s pop up on used than 5s so for same or less cost… may go 7.
Depends on your use case. No matter what monitor you choose, it will make your setup significantly bulkier. So this is the first choice. Do you need it over your EVF and/or on camera screen. On smaller mirrorless cameras, I wouldn't use a 7 inch monitor either, better 5 inch. 5 inch is enough to judge autofocus and exposure, for critical handheld focus 7 inch is certainly better. On larger rigs, 7 inch is best as screen real estate is always an advantage. If you only make video as a hobby, a monitor like a Atomos Shinobi is a nice starting point at a good price. The SmallHD's are more for professional use, and are 4 to 5 times the price of a Shinobi, with of course some more professional built quality and features (like an aluminum body, SDI ports, EL Zone exposure measurement etc.)
I want to get smanllhd action but I can't find it. Do you recommend samallhd focus 5? It's a bit old monitor smallhd focus. Can you recommend a different monitor instead?
Its always ture to invest reliable and professional tools, though most people struggle to get a reliable a cam at the first place, for those who already have a solid camera setup, they definitly should consider invest better monitors or image transmitters
I'm unlucky, I bought the BM Video Assist and it doesn't include it, I just hope they include it in a future update, otherwise, I'll have to sell my monitor and think about SmallHD or Atomos. Atomos is starting to include it in their monitors. What do you think of that brand? Would you recommend it?
@@CineDailies Oh yes, sorry hehe. I was referring to EL Zone. SmallHD is very good, but also a bit more expensive and doesn't record. However, I can think of it as a second monitor, even if it ends up being the main one.
@@CineDailies Yes, whereby the input is still 4K, so you can zoom onto the image without any loss of resolution. This is different from quite a few other monitors.
@@CineDailies I wonder if the gamma curves are close enough between arri log c and BM film for the stop mapping to be more or less equivalent and therefore work as a substitute...
I like the brand, I’ve only ever owned smallhd. But the company itself sucks. The support is almost insulting, and you never end up using the gimmicky ‘features’ on the monitors, the camera already does all those things. All you need is something bright you can plug in to your camera. The action 5 is a good monitor for that. They gave it some terrible software so that you’d buy the more expensive version. It can also make whites look overexposed at times. Ok it’s a piece of crap but it’s 2000 nits. I wouldn’t bother with the other models, if you’re the one paying for it. The company itself is terrible and from what I can tell, is staffed with not so great people either. They’re not premium. Far from it.
We sold it immediately after we realized that issue. Changed to Blackmagic assist 7 and never looked back. However, we might get 5 inch portkeys for smaller projects
Okay, guys and gals, don't listen to this guy and go spend thousands on this. Remember that if you're startin out or simply cannot afford to buy this, you shouldn't. Let's say if you had this much money the amount of this monitor, just buy a better tripod first. Yes you will live with a $300 video monitor but a good expensive tripod.
@@CineDailies right, though it is still important to know that people can still do the job with what you dismiss as trash. Their video won't be trash, that depends on the skill of the cinematographer. Osee, viltrox and feelworld still last for years. Your video in the final output matters more. I know plenty of people for who their feelworld lasted 4 to 5 years or so.
I’ve been so excited for this video and I can say I came out with so many key bits of knowledge that I can now implement. EL Zone will be a game changer for failing contrast ratios on skin tones etc. Thanks for putting in that work.
This comment made my day!
Until your video, I thought all of my SmallHD products were unable to update to Pageos5. Glad I watched! Just updated mine and man between this tool and Ed explaining it is incredible! Thanks for this!
Great video. I'm hooked on EL Zone. Failing to distinguish mid-tone grays in Arri false color caused me to miss skin tones. Huge respect to Ed Lachman for pushing this newer approach.
My favorite monitor of all time is the SmallHD Focus 5 OLED. Super light weight. Low power consumption. Touch screen. Perfect blacks. Only downside is low nits for outdoor shooting.
Must admit I hated the 502 monitor I had, nice and small but had constant overheating issues with it despite sending it back twice. That said I’d be tempted to look at one of these newer monitors now it seems like they’ve improved build of them.
I have a 702 Touch and Cine 5, and both have served me really well. Great monitors and easy interface.
Ansel Adams would be very proud to see the Zone System finding a new place in video production like this. He passed away right as the technologies behind digital cameras and photoshop were being invented and was a big fan of the future in store for photography.
FACTS haha he would be very proud
The more I hear about EL zone, the more I get excited about the future of filmmaking. This all came from asking "why?" and look where it's gotten us. Why is false color the go-to for exposure and bam, here we are with EL zone. Can you imagine other principles that we follow that need to be questioned? This is pretty exciting! Now to get a monitor that uses EL zone. lol
Awesome input family! I’m still in love with my 702 Touch!
Yessir!
Very helpful. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for creating it for us.
Happy to hear! I have a part two coming soon
"then you buy a car, adopt three children, marry one woman, have another on the side, aquire an university degree in civil engeneering and metaphysics, learn how to play racketball, practise the trumpet daily, and then you have set up el zone."
I love el zone on my sigma fp… I’m just sitting around waiting on parts to finish a rig I’m working on.
Sigma FP is such a great cinema camera. When they added EL Zone thru firmware, I was over the moon. All that, plus ProRes raw for $1,200 used. 👍🏾
@@MockManor I’m getting a 12g videos assist to record braw and use it as a b cam to my ursa 12k
Hi, great video, do you know if there are differences between Indie 5 and Indie 7 (besides screen size)? I see that they are currently both at the same price and the Indie 7 is a little less thick. Thanks!
No difference other than size!
Thanks! What do you recommend for a beginner? 5" or 7"? After watching your video I thought it would be an excellent tool to learn much more with EL Zone.@@CineDailies
I've seen a lot of negative reviews regarding the fan (for the Indie). Is this blown out of proportion? Or do you have issues with this as well. Thank you for making this vid!
It's a little blown in my opinion. Cameras are louder
@@CineDailies think it will bother a run and run and gun shotgun mic setup?
@@taylorsmithmedia you'll have to test it for yourself. It's available for rent on lensrentals
@@CineDailies good call. Thanks for the replies!
Do they still sell the action 5 as description on part 10:07 i cant find it
they have discontinued the action 5
This video was so well made, im so impressed. Instant sub LOL
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for making this bro
Thanks for watching fam! Gotta catch up soon
Amen
Thanks, man 🙏
You bet!
NGL, When I first heard about EL Zone I was kinda ticked because I loved using False Color so much but after learning about the pipeline for color production and the difference it makes... I bought a 702 and im not looking back! There is just simply no more guessing. Everything turns out how I expect it will
I totally agree!
Definitely helps put a foot in the door (considering the price ;0). My perfect monitor would be something like this, with a price between the CINE 5 and the Shinobi, with the possibility to record proxy codec files with the camera naming system on a SD card!
This was great, thank you. I wonder what you think of the Accsoon/Ipad combo?
I'm getting their new HDMI / SDI pro so stand by
@@CineDailies standing by!
Another thought, Cine 5 or Video Assist 5 for the X-H2s?
@@ruisearts I made a video on the video assist for the xh2s - it's in my channel
@@CineDailies and I’ve watched it, I’m just wondering which would you pick or recommend for everyday filmmaking.
Great video! Quick question, 5 inch vs 7 inch?
Idk what your needs are but 7inch
I’m stuck between getting a 5 or 7 inch monitor
@@benbadenhorst2423 get a 7inch
what is the difference with the Atomos Monitors? looking my new Monitor for DP
There is a big difference in my opinion. Both have pros and cons. Depends on your needs and budget.
weird question..... Is your B cam (Cam right) and cell phone footage shot at 60fps? Not sure why but my eyes felt something different.
Love the info man! always happy to see another video.
no 60p here lol but thanks for watching!
I own the cine 5 with my Komodo, it's like the perfect setup
Absolutely
I see you have a ZOLAR panel, how do you like it? I just used mine once but I like it a lot.
I mainly use it in the studio. I need to get some modifiers for it
@@CineDailies same but at the mean time I’m bouncing it like you are
Would the EL zone work for the black magic pocket camera?
It's not in the monitors yet - the closest would be arri log c
@@CineDailies Thank you, , maybe It will come in an update 🤞
6:48 Hey I Know that guy!
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How did you feel about the 5 compared to the 7?
Same experience just different sizes. in this case I prefer the small SD 5 inch over the 7 just because of the weight. my kinemon 7 monitor is perfect because it’s light.
@@CineDailies appreciate the response. I shoot xh2s and buddy just brought the indie 7 by to check out, definitely makes the rig a bit more fat, but I see more 7s pop up on used than 5s so for same or less cost… may go 7.
@@abandonbourbon yeah it's top heavy for sure with a 7. But rent one out and see how it handles
Ever run into dead or stuck pixels? Just noticed two in my screen.
@@abandonbourbon I so far haven't on my 2 devices
How do you feel about pulling focus on the 5 series vs the 7 series? is 5" enough?
Personally 5 isn't enough
so for someone without a monitor, do you suggest to not buy a monitor at all until I save up to get a small HD monitor?
Great question, if you absolutely need a monitor right now, buy what you can. But if you can wait, id invest in a smallhd monitor for future-proof.
Depends on your use case. No matter what monitor you choose, it will make your setup significantly bulkier. So this is the first choice. Do you need it over your EVF and/or on camera screen. On smaller mirrorless cameras, I wouldn't use a 7 inch monitor either, better 5 inch. 5 inch is enough to judge autofocus and exposure, for critical handheld focus 7 inch is certainly better. On larger rigs, 7 inch is best as screen real estate is always an advantage. If you only make video as a hobby, a monitor like a Atomos Shinobi is a nice starting point at a good price. The SmallHD's are more for professional use, and are 4 to 5 times the price of a Shinobi, with of course some more professional built quality and features (like an aluminum body, SDI ports, EL Zone exposure measurement etc.)
I agree but I need a 7inch, this Shinobi is a no go. I can't stand it. But the price. Gotta wait for the used market.
I want to get smanllhd action but I can't find it. Do you recommend samallhd focus 5? It's a bit old monitor smallhd focus. Can you recommend a different monitor instead?
I think its discontinued
Do you know about small hd focus 5. Because I found second hand.
@@emrahoprukcu221 yep I owned one. I made a video about. I think there are better options out there. The focus 5 is a little to do dumb down
Thank you. Maybe i miss this video.
Its always ture to invest reliable and professional tools, though most people struggle to get a reliable a cam at the first place, for those who already have a solid camera setup, they definitly should consider invest better monitors or image transmitters
I'm unlucky, I bought the BM Video Assist and it doesn't include it, I just hope they include it in a future update, otherwise, I'll have to sell my monitor and think about SmallHD or Atomos.
Atomos is starting to include it in their monitors.
What do you think of that brand? Would you recommend it?
Include what? The EL Zone? I personally prefer smallhd
@@CineDailies
Oh yes, sorry hehe. I was referring to EL Zone.
SmallHD is very good, but also a bit more expensive and doesn't record.
However, I can think of it as a second monitor, even if it ends up being the main one.
Can you recommend/link the best NPF battery options for the Indie 5 for run and gun? Thanks!
I normally just use the dc to Dtap. Or the Anton Bauer NPF
thanks!
@@CineDailies
Amazing job sir
Thanks fam!
Shinobi has el zone. And it s as easy to put on assists,
Nice- great to see EL zone being added in more monitors
Hey question - can I shoot 4K 24 and 60p in F Log 2 with the Indie 5? Just checking, new to the XH2s. Thanks so much!
hey! if you are using the clean feed out it'll display in 4k but if you have display setting on it'll be in 1080 24p or 60 p
@@CineDailies Yes, whereby the input is still 4K, so you can zoom onto the image without any loss of resolution. This is different from quite a few other monitors.
Was so hyped to start working with El Zone- until I found out they haven’t yet implemented Blackmagic Log into the colour pipeline options 😢
Send a request!
I have done. Was surprising to me to find Flog2 support implemented before Blackmagic Film!
@@timashby properly political ha arri log c would be the closest to braw
@@CineDailies I wonder if the gamma curves are close enough between arri log c and BM film for the stop mapping to be more or less equivalent and therefore work as a substitute...
@@CineDailies I have done some tests applying the arri log c input and opening and closing the lens by a stop at a time - seems close enough!
yoooo, link those options!
Wait which options? 😅 what Id forget?
Just had to dig to find one link to the smallhd monitors in the rigging section of your description ;)
Ha! Just I moved up
can someone confirm whether EL Zone shows clipping? My understanding is that it does not.
“Clippng” is represented as five and six stops over which is orange and red
Hi, is Smallhd Action 5 worth buying?
Did you watch the video?
What's a piece of gear that you can't go without?
At this point its timecode gear. Makes bigger productions SO much easier in post.
My camera :D
@@KevinFedde so true
@@TheFlyFishingFilmmaker haha of course
You are excellent.
Thank you! 😃
liking them smallHD monitors
Yessir
Small hd is the best- the only monitor I’ll buy
100%
I want the cine 18 so bad but $6K is so pricey...I might just keep renting.
Are they better than Ninja Atomos? Why say stop buying cheap monitors?
Lol if you need a recorder than use Atomos. The point is to but hear that last. Cheap stuff can only get you so far
I like the brand, I’ve only ever owned smallhd. But the company itself sucks. The support is almost insulting, and you never end up using the gimmicky ‘features’ on the monitors, the camera already does all those things. All you need is something bright you can plug in to your camera. The action 5 is a good monitor for that. They gave it some terrible software so that you’d buy the more expensive version. It can also make whites look overexposed at times. Ok it’s a piece of crap but it’s 2000 nits. I wouldn’t bother with the other models, if you’re the one paying for it. The company itself is terrible and from what I can tell, is staffed with not so great people either. They’re not premium. Far from it.
Tough, hope you told them that lol
Anyone else gets burnt from their small hd monitors? I gave up and moved to port keys......
We sold it immediately after we realized that issue. Changed to Blackmagic assist 7 and never looked back. However, we might get 5 inch portkeys for smaller projects
You’re here for 1:05 😂
Lolol
Bro I thought it was Charleston’s white 😂😂
LOL
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Okay, guys and gals, don't listen to this guy and go spend thousands on this. Remember that if you're startin out or simply cannot afford to buy this, you shouldn't. Let's say if you had this much money the amount of this monitor, just buy a better tripod first. Yes you will live with a $300 video monitor but a good expensive tripod.
i agree, if you don't have the money. Don't buy. But if you do, its worth the investment. Cheap monitors are trash. Just like cheap tripod.
@@CineDailies right, though it is still important to know that people can still do the job with what you dismiss as trash. Their video won't be trash, that depends on the skill of the cinematographer. Osee, viltrox and feelworld still last for years. Your video in the final output matters more. I know plenty of people for who their feelworld lasted 4 to 5 years or so.
1.3 k ?????? Wjat 😂
What?
P r o m o S M
$1200 😂
If you've never owned one, you won't understand.