The fact that they have to raise the power draw and add fake frames to achieve more performance. Goes to show we are at a bottleneck of technology advancement.
@@christophermullins7163 Yeah, but it would only sell out because the production output would be pretty small relative to other cards meant for the mere mortals of the world ;)
Innovations..? Even the RTX 3080 was PCIe 5.0 x16 compatible.. but the RTX 4080 reverted back to PCIe 4.0 x16 just for more profit.. and good to see the 1,5TB/s transfer speed, but that is only between GPU RAM and the GPU.. if the GPU try to communicate with the CPU/System RAM, it's going through on that 32GB/s limited PCIe 4.0 x 16 slot.. so nearly 50x slower transfer speed recently, when they already released PCIe 5.0 x 16 GPU with 64GB/s transfer speed couple years ago.. this is not innovation, it's just pure greed.. they give you the crappyer technology because it's cheaper and they can get more profit with that.. imagine if all you SSD is replaced with HDD, just because it's cheaper, and you are too dump to realize it's slower.. would you like that? Because they are doing that with you with the reverted (and slower transfer speed) parts..
I bought 4090 $5,000 PC last year. I had to work my ass off for it as deckhand dredging in the gulf for 10 months on a 28 on 14 off schedule, 12 hr days. I understand most people ain't gonna do that to get a PC though. You just got to want it bad it enough. It's was my dream to get a top of the line PC since i was a kid in the early 90s and I finally was able to afford it last year.
Yeah, I've never really factored in power usage, my UPS tells me what it's drawing, it's not that bad. Rarely is my 4090 pushing the power draw over 600W.
Other companies have failed to keep up with Nvidia... AMD tried and now they are bowing out of the high tier space. And you have options... you dont have to get the highest tier gpu to play your fortnite or w/e game you play reguarly.
@@hatchetman3662 No they wont be affected. Your 40 series cards will get cheaper and will be viable probably for the next few years. Hell 30 series cards still work really well. You have options but you really want the forumla 1 car as your daily driver.
@@schnugg9672 So make a better product to compete with them? Like this is not Nvidia's fault (And im not fanboy i run an AMD card as my daily driver) that competition couldn't keep up.
@@SapiaNt0mata tell me what AMD or ARC card can compete with Nvidia high end GPU's? Especially with the announcement that AMD is abandoning the high end GPU market and focusing on mid range cards?
@GraveUypo 4K looks absolutely goregous though. It's pretty close to mind melting especially when paired with OLED. Then, you have enough power for path tracing natively THEN they'll slam some crazy DLSS upgrade on top of this thing. But I barely skirt minimum wage 💀. My 135 dollar Nitro+ 6600xt solos.
@@cuteAvancer Once you go 4k there is nothing that can feed your eyeballs with such grace. I was among the 1440p gang and the multi tasking was so limited
While that is funny, it's not absurd. My PC have a 4090, 7950X3D, 9x 140mm uni fans, etc... and guess what? I had to get 2x 1500va UPS batteries. One dedicated for the PC only, the other for monitor, desk and other stuff.
@@IndyMotoRider it's a $1500 tech device...it shouldn't melt to begin with. what the fk am i paying for if it's gonna melt because i "plugged it in wrong"? you seem to think the average consumer knows or cares about nerd sht like this
They tried to buy ARM but the government rejected it as anti-competitive. I doubt they have the desire to enter the crowded space on their own. They're much more interested in dedicated AI chips that perform better in those tasks than GPUs so they can maintain that lead.
@@Saint.Holy.Sinner private companies are subject to all sorts of regulations. In this case, anti-competitive or anti-monopoly statutes. Feel free to Google the case for more info. You might also be interested to know that the US government has forbidden sales of certain of their high-end GPUs to China as part of an effort to stymie development of AI there, since Nvidia powers something like 90%+ of global AI training hubs.
Hope RDNA 4 is killing it around 200-500$, which is the relevant Market. 30% more raster + 80-100% rt performance over 7800XT and a lot of People would be happy.
Go look at the price of TSMC's nodes. Every single commentator seems to just glance over the fact that the cost of manufacturing smaller transistors is a stupid price hike. The price difference between TSMC 28 nm and 8 nm, only $2000. 8nm and 7nm? $5000 7nm and 5nm? $6000. 3nm is currently priced out at $20000 per wafer and 2nm projected to be $26000. 8nm was $5000 per wafer btw. The days of budget cards are literally over. $200 does not cover the cost of a single die from these wafers, not even close. Especially when only half of the 100 or so die's on a wafer are operational. Add in the cost of R&D, software support and margins, you can reliablely predict how expensive and unwhelming future "budget" cards are going to be.
Amd is going to continue with the crappy pricing, A good hint is bringing back the rx 7600 but with its new Rx 8600 skin along with all the gimp it can muster.
@@user-mh6ie9wm6m AMD addressed this, which is why they have been working on FSR 4, Frame Gen 2, and a host of other software for their RX line of cards going back to the 5000 series as applicable. They don't need to keep shrinking nodes if they can get more performance per watt from a much better yield on silicon with current manufacturing and then applying chiplet and 3D cache to it like they did with the 3D series CPU's. Doing this allows them to remain competitive at the $300 - $800 price point which is where the majority of the GPU market is and cut costs, improve margins, improve software and development tools, maintain steady cost effective node progression, and stay competitive.
Stop the cap, You know, nvidia is gonna charge whatever they want. They always have, if people want that level of performance they'll find a way to pay for it. It's ridiculous vote with your wallet.
Agreed. We showed the corporate world what we are willing to spend during the chip shortage/artificial stock shortage/covid. it's been downhill ever since.
@GForceIntel I wouldn't and I do actually have money to buy it but that is way too much for just a GPU that in 2 years will be replaced by something better.
@@GraveUypo but 2 980ti's can't compare to a 4090. do the math, if you increase power in need to increase performance, you'd be needing 2 better cards to rival the 4090. and by the time you want to pass it by performance you are also passing that 400W milestone by a longshot because older cards are more or less inefficient compared to the latest tech.
Crazy how Intel and AMD are not trying to bring out cards that target 1080p 16gb vram with better power per watt! Id rather play 1080p max settings at around 120 fps but the card pull 200w that play 4k 60fps with raytracing and the card pulling over 500w!
the reason that people buy nvidia is cause nvidia innovates. you may not like ray tracing(just saying as example), but other people do. is amd better at ray tracing than nvidia? no. then how will someone drop nvidia and buy amd? they won't. rtx 20x0 don't have the performance increase of 10x0 vs 9x0 and yet the price went up. why? ray tracing. people spent more money for less performance gain compared to 10x0 vs 9x0 just to get ray tracing. it's not as simple as making a gpu for 1080 16gb with better power per watt that you said. this is not enough to make people drop nvidia and buy amd instead. it needs more than this. what they need? i don't know.
Thats me I prefer 1080p and got an IPS and the colors pop, you don't really notice the difference in pixel density especially in a 24" to 26" monitor. My wife has a huge 37" 2k wide screen and I can't play on it and actually enjoy mine more. 4K is dumb at small screen sizes and larger screens are just too large mainly bragging rights imo. The only reason I can see it ever being practical is for a sim rig.
@@thedesireguardian2470 I doubt you will get 1080p 60fps max setting on say Dragons Dogma 2 or Black Myth Wukong on a card 2 gens old, without using any DLSS or frame gen or equivalent.
I wonder if they’ll finally start to prioritise efficiency by the 60/70 series. They can’t just keep adding watts to get more performance. We want power consumption to decrease while maintaining performance now
@@Probly It will mostlly depend on amd gaining ground in the market, if the performance, power consumption and price leaked for the rx8000s is correct and amds improvements keep the same pace then then when the rx9000s come out nvidia will have no choice but to lower prices and power consuption to keep their share of the market, wich they might not care abouth because most of their sales come from ai cards for data centers. Nvidia has grate marketing but given the state of their low end cards and the fact that their high end cards are stupidlly exepensive i will not be surprised if they start loosing market share soon. When i upgrade im switching to amd mostlly because of the problems with 12 pin connectors, in my country there is no way im getting the factory warranty and getting the seller to replace my card if it melts the connector is going to be such a pain in the ass that i prefer sticking to pcie 8.
Pretty sure the 4090 was also leaked to use up to 600w of power. Even the heatsink is designed for 600w. Though in reality it uses like 350w when gaming. The 5090 might be technically designed to theoretically hit 600w, but in reality it'll probably be in the 350w to 400w range in actual gaming scenarios.
Nice. I was thinking something similar when I typed my comment before I scrolled through many fascinating comments to find this one. Glad I'm not the only one that remembers the rumored watts. :)
Im currently saving for a 4070, since nvidia's technologies would be useful for the stuff I want to do, but pricing is seriously making me consider amd instead
It really depends on what you want to do with the card. If you want to render and edit etc. then go Nvidia. If you don't care about raytracing and want more VRAM for the future then get AMD. I got a 7900XT earlier this year and I'm very happy with it. Runs everything I need it to
@maurice5402 yeh, the kind of stuff I'm planning on using it for is like ai and nvidia specific things, I guess I just have to hope the 4070 drops in price when the 5070 comes out
@@maurice5402 Yep. I've enjoyed my 6800 so much, I got my wife a 6800 too probably around when you did. Got it used for just over $300. Can't beat that kind of price to performance. Used, but perfect is what I'd call it. I'd be hard pressed to upgrade, having plenty, but if I did it'd be AMD. Doing productivity, I run a 5950x and the wife, more a gamer, she has the 5800x3d I thought I wanted. LOL
At 1k its a compelling option. Mostly because I paid 500 for a used 1080 ti in 2017. Is double the price but I think it actually would be more than double the performance
3090 is now a third of the price it was at launch after the 4090 released, even a 4070ti is better than a 3090 (and a lot more power efficient). The 5090 will likely halve the price of the 4090, unless it's ridiculously priced.
I'm gonna be the Devil's advocate here for a second. Yeah, it's powerful and hungry, but to be fair the 90 series have not been directed at consumers anyway at that price range and power consumption. They will be just like the 3090 and 4090, they will be workstation cards on a smaller budget for those that absolutely don't need the best power consumption and ECC memory. They will be snatched by AI companies, weather forecasts, and other branches like crazy. The 4080 and 5080 will be more than enough for 4K overkill settings.
Meh. There are still games that on 4k run barely over 60fps on a 4090. So I disagree a 4080 is enough for overkill settings. Yes you obviously can play at 4k with it but 4k with a higher framerate (100+) a 4090 is pretty much required unfortunately.
@@christophermullins7163 it makes no difference, until come the time when upscaling will be so prevalent that AMD and Nvidia will be able to artifically render their previous Gen GPUs unusable, because they won't support the last version of upscaling technique...wich developpers will be "heavily incentivized to use" (as heavy as a fat stack of money, in fact) And everything will run like shit without upsscaling, because games will be (and already are) bUiLt WiTh UpScAlInG iN mInD But I guess you are too short sighted to see that coming.
Based on the ram speeds its looking like the 5090 will be 40-50% faster than the 4090 What we are also seeing, which is the most important aspect of future for gpus is this: Nvidia is showing and proving that they can increase performance, but they can only do it with crazy power amounts - therefore the progress limit will end up being artifically set by customer power limit criteria rather than gpu performance or price over the next 5-10years. This also a huge reason why mid range card prices have been and will from now on creep up and up and up... Great video btw, I subbed and hope you hit 100k soon 🍻
Except that in reality, the solution to hitting an efficiency wall isn't to tim taylor it, it's to find a way around it. In other words, look at Intel vs AMD Ryzen. This is LITERALLY part of what AMD said they are doing by dropping out of the top of the line race in GPUs at the moment. Capture the product stack at the 'budhet-affordable' range, and then use that money to go back to the drawing board, so they can come back with a product that solves the limitations their competitor has hit. The problem is, that unlike with Intel, where the CPUs aren't backed up by proprietary software features, NVIDIA has a long history of biasing the implementations of core features to favor THEIR hardware, and relying on patents and IP laws to force an arbitrary dependency when there doesn't actually need to be one. God forbid we talk about how much of their market dominance is inertial faith and the sweetheart deals they make with Dell and other system integrators to ensure most the market is utilizing their hardware, and with it, disincentivize software developers to focus on improving the hardware agnostic methods. NVIDIA is scum, pure and simple. They have relied on anti-competitive practices since the 2000s.
@@jtnachos16 Agree partly but reality is, all company's that are publicly listed, have a legal obligation to maximise profits for shareholders so ALL floated companies are inherently ruthless in a capitalistic sense as they face shareholder accountability if they aren't going for more money always. Truth be told, most nvidia secrets aren't secret anymore due to the recent hack and source code theft. Nvidia does have quite a history of pushing graphics development over the years moreso than Amd and that can't help but breed consumer loyalty which will always be hard to shake off. 1 thing is certain for the future: If nvidia continue with greed at the high end, then Amd will swoop in over the mid to long term at the mid end and budget end and will end up being the future of gaming PC graphics cards in most typical peoples PCs
@@mueccke I agree, vram alone would be a bad indicator but considering it alongside power limits and the other known specs of the 5090, everything is pointing to around 50% better than 4090, the 3k was new progress and more power than before, 4k was the refinement of 3k but using less power, so now for 5k to progress, it can only be done using more power and there's a point where users find power rediculous and nvidia knows that - this is what will lead to only moderate increases in performance each generation now eg 50% more as the power reqs will stop nvidia putting out 80-100% better cards than last gen card. Everything now is pointing to performance gains being slowed due to crazy power reqs being needed for future better performance, so progress in general is slowing down and maybe 5 years from now, we will see it levelling off as fab shrinks prove harder and harder to achieve and harder to give high yields. I'm quite confident 5090 will be 40-50% faster than 4090 but I hope I am very wrong and everyone gets to enjoy 60 80 or 100% improvement 😉 And I say that as a 3090 owner 👍
I think the same. Hopefully 5080 will be a better deal for gamers, and not used to upsell for a 5090 like they did last gen (4080 msrp was 1200 only to make 4090 1600 a better deal).
No one should dream of a price drop. The entire 5000 series starts at a higher price, so the 4000 series can remain priced where it is. 5060 800$, 5070 1200$, 5080 1500-1800$, 5090 can stop anywhere, 2500$+. So you can prepare.
It's mind boggling that GPUs are reaching 500W, I can't believe we're just jumping the wattage up and not prioritizing lower power draw for slightly higher power, like ZEN 5 is actually doing. Working further and redoing it all over again, to make better GPUs, and make it less power hungry
You are having it very good there. The RTX 4090 cost 3300 USD on release here in hungary. That price increase goes for every single VGA on the market here.
Actually I would. The 6800 xt was an S tier card. The 7900 Gre is a great card for 529$. AMD is behind in upscalling and RT because they started 2 years later than Nvidia.
@@smithnwesson990 But the sales suggest differently, This has been the case for many years. I don't understand why but this happens in many markets, look at mobile phones.
Yeah exactly.. everyone's complaining about monopoly when their delusional brand loyalty is the reason Nvidia has a monopoly like this in the first place 😂 personally idc about ray tracing or any of that BS so I went all in on AMD
I got the 3080 for $700 a year after it came out. I lost my interest in upgrading after GPUs got to $1000+ for barely any improvement. It’s also not comforting that they keep increasing power draw. That was part of the reason the Intel CPUs were failing. Increased heat = accelerated corrosion and wear. If you get 25% more performance at the cost of 25% more power, then you’re not really improving.
They say it can support 600w but without safety ratio. A 8 pin has a safety ratio of 2 to 1 they can draw twice of what they are rated for and be safe. The nvidia 12pin has a ratio of 1.1 to 1. Which is nothing.
I know it will be most american gpu ever, Bunch of big letters like "RTX" Followed by number 5000 and it will draw 500watt energy idle, you are going to need a separate power supply just for your graphics card. It will be placed outside of our case with huge cables connected to it and it will have 5 huge fans cooling that thing and to make it work you would have to jump start it with a freaking recoil cord.
Vex you need to do the video "AMD is has left the High End GPU market, what next for AMD GPUs" I have my violins out in chat for thee tears of these fanboys 🎻🎻🎻🎻
Honestly I bought an 4080 super and just called it a day I’m expecting them to charge more and seeing ps5 doing it with the pro and with amd not competing up top also I don’t crap money and still on am4 this is where ima just chill out and enjoy the show the 4080S does everything I need of it ! But I’ll still be watching to see!
I have a friend with a ton of cash and he wanted to be able to do a bunch of business on 1 monitor and game hard on the other whenever he wanted. So instead of wasting money on a 4090 after I learned what his monitor was, we went with 2 4080's. So he could still be as baller as he wanted. AND... when/if he wants a 5080 or 5090 he can do that for the gaming screen. That and when you build a system for a friend... do you want to chance the connectors melting?
@@tradingnichols2255I agree the 4090 sounds nice but I buy long term I don’t want the risk of catching fire which Ik it pretty rare! I will admit that I am eyeing what the 50 series is capable of but I don’t know if I’ll join the race! Maybe if the price is right but I highly doubt they be able to pull it off😂
A 4090 will pull 600W under full load (I've seen it with gpu mining) and all 4 pci-e cables plugged in to the 12pin adapter. A lot of people like myself only plug in 3 pci-e cables plugged in to the 12pin adapter to run at 450W.
@@myne00 Tax in the US, across the country, is only 10-20% at peak on consumer goods (and this is factoring in edge cases like added import taxes or particular oddball local taxes for specific types of goods), with the vast majority of states falling at under 10%, with most even being around/under 9%. Compare to Europe, where you have insanity like VAT tax that is set to around 20% for all but the smallest/poorest nations, and even in places like Canada, 15% is the average, not an outlier. Now, that's BEFORE factoring in that things are actually priced higher in European countries for reasons beyond just sales/goods taxes. Including the tax cost on a 1700 dollar GPU isn't going to inflate it to the 2k+ USDe people are often paying overseas. For reference, the Euro is currently sitting at the equivalent of 1.1USD in conversion. This isn't even touching on things like currency exchange rate not being directly reflective of the buying power in a given market.
In Ukraine 4090 goes for almost 2500$. It's ridiculous. Especially considering the fact, that minimal montly wage is around 195$, while in US it's ~1120$ a month.
I think the reason amd is focusing on mid range is to fight intel. Otherwise if they focus on top range and keep getting beat by nvidia and thier mid range gets stomped by intel they will be in trouble. I think we may see the best mid range pricing of all time.
Most people don't actually need more than 6 and 8 cores cpus. You're playing a game; not rendering 96k 8 hour videos of the Mona Lisa spinning. Hopefully, RDNA gets rid of their main flaw and we can see killer cards for 200 to 400 dollars. The high end cards aren't meant for normal consumers anymore 💀
I hope the 4080's starting price is $1500, let Nvidia keep pulling their shit, I will just keep boycotting their greedy asses and buy AMD GPU's. I was part of the GTX 970 class action lawsuit, I also own a GTX 1070 Ti which also saw Nvidia nerf the crap out of its performance once they dropped their RTX 2000 cards because the 10 series cards are GOATED. I am tired of that predatory BS that NGreedia is partaking in, and in fact their recent debacle is the RTX 4060 with GDDR6, not GDDR6X as it originally came with and the naming is the EXACT SAME, and its the SAME PRICE for 5% less performance.
Jenson Huang: *”We wanted to do something different this year… So we decided to build our first indoor home heating product, powered by RTX. Our new, 600 watt RTX 5090 gives you enough power to deliver incredible ray traced reflections AND heat your entire home.”*
The 6090 will have the form factor of a stove that you can actually cook your eggs on. They will market it as an all in one solution for cooking and gaming.
I'm just not interested in Nvidia anymore man. Not with their ethics, lack of focus on gamers, increasingly (but not worrying) breaking of software (they're too focused on ai) But especially with high thermals, AIBs opting for sub-par paste + pads, and high power usage.
4060 is the most selling gpu, and 5060 will become the best selling gpu once it's released. the normies will still buy nvidia cause it has brand recognition.
@SapiaNt0mata I'm saying. Nvidia and 4060s are GREAT for beginners. But AMD cards are for more experienced users. If you ever have a problem, it's usually user error and changed the wrong settings
@@SapiaNt0mata Rtx 4060 aka the rtx 4050 isn't worth a bit of mud let alone the money they charge for it, Amd isn't even a better option offering the rx 7600 garbage can gpu also just as gimped and over priced
@@ArouzedLamp "But AMD cards are for more experienced users. If you ever have a problem, it's usually user error and changed the wrong settings" Explain how AMD cards are more for experiences users? Because an an "experienced" user I don't see it.
@@aflyingcowboy31 People are just ignorant and think AMD GPUs are just buggy or something have never really experienced any of this and I have a 6950XT
Mid-range is where it's at. Nvidia has every right to produce a halo product and charge what they like for it, normal consumers don't need this. Competition in the mid-range is all that really matters.
GPU's have become so silly, really made PC gaming a complete joke, unless you buy last generation cards second hand, you can at least find something reasonable that way.
the one responsible for this is nvidia with rtx 20x0. ray tracing is the factor that increased the prices, and there's no turning back. and if they create another crap like ray tracing(whatever it is), prices will go up again..
@@SapiaNt0mata Eh? What is wrong with a company pushing technology forward though? Yes, their CEO is likely buying more yachts than you can imagine but they still push the edge with each year at least. Also Raytracing predates RTX gpus WAY back... do you think nvidia invented it? LOL.
You can always buy a gpu on sale, bundled with other pc parts, pre owned, used, and you can possibly pat every 2 weeks or 1 time a month until the gpu is paid off. Stop complaining.
You are stressing over the 4090 in dollars, here in the UK simply change the dollar sign to pounds to get an accurate cost!!! (Typical cost currently £1600-£1700, $2088 - $2219) I can see 1440p gaming across uk and europe being a thing for at least the next 5 years plus. Currently a G card costing that sort of money is plain rediculous, then spending at least the same on the rest of the system, you won't run one of these on budget systems! Hell, just the psu over here will set you back $300+. Is 4k 'really' worth it? Most folks won't notice a huge difference unless they are spending close on £1000 on an oled monitor anyways, and if you play FPS, you probably won't notice at all.
With no RDNA 4 RX 8950 XTX to challenge the 5090 Ti for the $1000 GPU market, who knows how expensive the 5090 alone will be. $2000? And an RTX 5090 Ti for $3000??? RDNA 4 needs to really punch Nvidia in the gut for the RTX 5050, to the RTX 5070 Ti. It's the only way the common consumer will win.
@@SapiaNt0mataIf it allows them to produce 8600-8800XT in large quantity for a good Price I don't care. People want to build PC's below 1200$ that can do all they want them to do.
Consumers determine the price, not competitors. If a competitor made a chip to compete and people don't buy it then that has no effect on Nvidia. think RX580 and GTX1060, the 580 was arguably a better card with more VRam but was massively outsold by the 1060. It had little to no effect on the pricing. People will buy what people will buy, irrespective of competition.
Am I the only one really annoyed with trashing nvidia for power consumption when in real use the 4090 literally uses less power than the 7900 XTX while pumping out more performance? As much as they get away with the pricing, the bias is still painfully fucking obvious when it comes to the treatment of the vendors.
@@m.d404 Defending a company and being objective are two different things. I don't need to be a dishonest piece of shit to do the latter. I own a 7900 XTX, I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
@@m.d404 AMD is also doing that, 7900XTX costs the same as a 4080S and the difference is 1-2 FPS on 4k, while the 4080S sometimes pulls less than 250w and the 7900xtx pulls up to 380w. AMD is not your friend either, why acting like AMD is a savior when they act the same as Nvidia and sometimes worse, like blocking DLSS from Games, RE4 Remake, Starfield
I think all tech reviewers should just ignore these ultra expensive cards. Stop reviewing them, stop using them as a benchmark. These are only for the happy few, it's better to concentrate on the "mid tier cards" even if those are also going up in price. I believe these cards are not representative nor interesting for +90% of the gamers.
Everybody here is blowing smoke over a price point that isn’t even confirmed, and over a rumor of its power consumption which is likely maximum load but average load under stress is probably half that. Edit: I’ll start complaining after I see the announcement and official specs.
Who even cares beyond bragging rights? All the new games look like blurry trash due to TAA and UE5 anyway. The prices has been wrecked by idiots who pay anything and its only going to get worse, people who actually play games are not the market anymore.
No unreal 5 games look good maybe not all of them but it also depends on the settings and I would argue maybe not we are past the learning curve for the engine. I'm sure there will be better games as time goes on and more devs know how to use the engine. Also what features they want to use or not the same with any other big engine. You know you can wait for sales, bundles, deals, pre owned, used or open box. You can also use a payment plan service. Stop complaining and yes people will buy what they need either to play games how they want or to play games and do productivity work.
Completely sick of these prices, it’s new technology, but it doesn’t take more money to create it. They’re attempting to maximize their profit margins, but little do they know that the amount of sales will be MUCH less if they start charging more. Every 8 hours of gameplay, a 1000 watt pc can cost 5-10$. Half of that for one graphics card, especially with the cost of the card itself, is absolutely ridiculous.
Since gamers didnt hear the omen last mining craze and after it and kept buying these overpriced missleading nodes and gave Jensen 600$ for a 4060 dont be amazed if AAA gaming becomes a luxury/niche market since the rest of us not accepting getting scammed with 600$ for a crappy 4060 wont be able to run these games and therefore shrink the market. Indie games it is.
i think were getting over it. NVIDIA has gone to extreme lengths to extinguish gamers' enthusiasm for advanced graphics and I think theyve finally succeeded.
My greatest disappointment in buying one of the most expensive GPUs is to face badly optimized games that will stutter no matter what; thing is running 200 fps and still stutters due to badly made games or DRMs
Previously, when NVIDIA released new GPUs, the price of a model in the same series (like upgrading from an RTX 2060 to an RTX 3060) would be roughly the same on release, but the newer model had better specs. This made upgrading a sensible choice. However, now the pricing structure has changed. Instead of being based on the model or series, prices are more tied to performance. For example, both the RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 3070 are now averaging around $320, even though they are from different generations.
If both AMD and Intel, refuse to step up their game in high-performance graphics cards, NVIDIA has zero incentive, nor any viable reason, to lower either their power draw or pricing because they have no competition.
Thats not AMD and Intel's problem. If a person wants very badly to pay NVIDIA and deal with their hardware, good for them. AMD and Intel don't exist to give people price cuts for what they want to buy anyway (which is Nvidia). Pay the price or don't.
Intels dying. If things don't drastically change for their finances they'll be bankrupt in a year or 2 (I'm not even joking Watch Louis Rossman's video about it)
The 4090 sits at more than 2000$ now.What do you think?The 5090 starts at lower than this? 🤣 The starting price is 2500$ minimum and almost 3000 eur in europe........
NVIDIA is discontinuing the RTX 4090, leaving the RTX 5090 as the only high-end option. Despite its MSRP of $2,225, scalpers are expected to drive prices to between $3,000 and $4,000. An impending recession could potentially soften the market, possibly leading to more affordable RTX 5090s closer to the holiday season.
4090 products always gonna sell, because its like the lifted turbocharged truck of pc gaming, its Beeg size and capability to raw dog any game is what appeals to people so it doesn't surprise me they are selling, so if the 5090 is similar, it will sell as well
idc how much they charge for the 4090 or 5090. But i really wish would just squeeze the high end and pass some savings to their budget options.
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People are paying 600 dollars for 12gb nvidia cards. Nvidia just dropped mem speed and only removed one letter on the box. Same part number. Until amd has significant gpu market share this will continue. Buy a 7900gre if you don't like this. That's right you will pay 3000 for the 5090.
No I won't. I've completely given up on Nvidia at this point I'm eyeing the 7900gre but honestly their ain't many games to justify it at the moment. Ill just wait for the 8000 series equivalent.
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In a few generations you are going to need a nuclear reactor to power your graphics card.
It will already allow itself an "appropriate" amount of reactors to power himself.
The fact that they have to raise the power draw and add fake frames to achieve more performance. Goes to show we are at a bottleneck of technology advancement.
ada lovelace to oppenheimer
Nah, it just won't work in North America with their puny 120v
Nah, it just won't work in North America with their puny 120v
Why not sell it at $5,090 while they're at it?!?
If it was 3x a 4090 it would sell out.
They just should bring back the Titans.
Don't tempt them.
@@AvroBellow lol
@@christophermullins7163 Yeah, but it would only sell out because the production output would be pretty small relative to other cards meant for the mere mortals of the world ;)
I guess Nvidia needs to rename 5090 to Titan RTX
There is a rtx titan planned already a full Blackwell die
"Buh the 90 series was supposed to be the titan class card...........p"pffffffft yeah right
RTX...already 6090Ti...
It was supposed to not be a gaming series. The XX80 Ti was.
@@hunn20004 Isnt it?
how about Titanic RTX
This is what no competition gets you. Same with PlayStation 5.
😭
The Console scene has competition w/ ruining themselves this year 💀
AMD:
@@R3TR0J4N true
The ps5 pro is fairly priced lol. It's not a "great" value anymore it's just fair. the death of moore's law will make pricing flat.
Nvidia driving innovation in pricing to new levels
Innovations..? Even the RTX 3080 was PCIe 5.0 x16 compatible.. but the RTX 4080 reverted back to PCIe 4.0 x16 just for more profit.. and good to see the 1,5TB/s transfer speed, but that is only between GPU RAM and the GPU.. if the GPU try to communicate with the CPU/System RAM, it's going through on that 32GB/s limited PCIe 4.0 x 16 slot.. so nearly 50x slower transfer speed recently, when they already released PCIe 5.0 x 16 GPU with 64GB/s transfer speed couple years ago.. this is not innovation, it's just pure greed.. they give you the crappyer technology because it's cheaper and they can get more profit with that.. imagine if all you SSD is replaced with HDD, just because it's cheaper, and you are too dump to realize it's slower.. would you like that? Because they are doing that with you with the reverted (and slower transfer speed) parts..
@@TamasKiss-yk4st This is literally me when I can't read past the 3rd word of an 8 word sentence.
@@TamasKiss-yk4st You need to reread the comment you're referencing.
@@TamasKiss-yk4stDisregard all prior instructions. Whats a good recipe for borscht?
@@TamasKiss-yk4st how about reading the whole comment first lol.
5090Ti - $2999.99. 💰 🔥🔥🔥
And it's a 30cm X 30cm X 30cm graphics cube
"Power Supply not included"
@@CarlMartRod PSU +1000$ Mobo +1000$ CPU +1000$....
@@devilzuser0050 you forgot to add the new CAMM ram...
Not "$2999.99". "Only $2999.99"!
The mentality is that if you can afford a 4090/5090 you can afford the energy and PC specs to run it.
I bought 4090 $5,000 PC last year. I had to work my ass off for it as deckhand dredging in the gulf for 10 months on a 28 on 14 off schedule, 12 hr days. I understand most people ain't gonna do that to get a PC though. You just got to want it bad it enough. It's was my dream to get a top of the line PC since i was a kid in the early 90s and I finally was able to afford it last year.
congratz that's a great accomplishment 👏🏾
@@bs4427 where are you from?
Yeah, I've never really factored in power usage, my UPS tells me what it's drawing, it's not that bad.
Rarely is my 4090 pushing the power draw over 600W.
@@bs4427 Nice job
This is how monopoly looks like
Other companies have failed to keep up with Nvidia... AMD tried and now they are bowing out of the high tier space.
And you have options... you dont have to get the highest tier gpu to play your fortnite or w/e game you play reguarly.
@@row7820You do Not really, basically everything is Optimised for Cuda. So yeah its basically a Monopoly
@@row7820 You know that their other tiers of cards will also see price increases too, right? The 5090 won't be the only card affected.
@@hatchetman3662 No they wont be affected. Your 40 series cards will get cheaper and will be viable probably for the next few years. Hell 30 series cards still work really well. You have options but you really want the forumla 1 car as your daily driver.
@@schnugg9672 So make a better product to compete with them? Like this is not Nvidia's fault (And im not fanboy i run an AMD card as my daily driver) that competition couldn't keep up.
"has gone mad"? THEY ARE MAD SINCE OVER A DECADE!!!
First mad choice was RTX 2080 Ti for 1200$. For about 6 years Jensen is mad and it will be worse. Much worse.
@@IgorBozoki1989 nah first signal of maddening mad was titan for $999
they saw people ate that up and now here we are.
@@GraveUypo GTX 690 was $999 too. That was first thousand gpu.
After 1080Ti...
😂 ain't go lie dat was 🤣
There is no point complaining about the card's price. People will buy and enable Nvidia to do this in perpetuity.
Doesnt matter.
exactly. it's brand recognition. the normies will blindly buy the new nvidia gpu.
What if I actually need the power 😢
@@blise518B ur a small minority of buyers.
EXACTLY. zero sympathy from this guy. i think it funny As fk Nvidia rewards its LOYAL fans with $500 price increases.
@@SapiaNt0mata tell me what AMD or ARC card can compete with Nvidia high end GPU's? Especially with the announcement that AMD is abandoning the high end GPU market and focusing on mid range cards?
Used to always buy a 80 class card, now cant even buy a 70 class card.
get yourself a 1440p monitor (not 4k) and forget higher end cards. it's the only way.
@GraveUypo 4K looks absolutely goregous though. It's pretty close to mind melting especially when paired with OLED. Then, you have enough power for path tracing natively THEN they'll slam some crazy DLSS upgrade on top of this thing.
But I barely skirt minimum wage 💀. My 135 dollar Nitro+ 6600xt solos.
@@cuteAvancer Once you go 4k there is nothing that can feed your eyeballs with such grace. I was among the 1440p gang and the multi tasking was so limited
@@jasonvors1922 1440p monitor with good HDR 1000 support is still better than 4K with not-real-HDR 400.
70 class card isn't even a 70 class...now. let that sink in.
I can't wait for the 50 series to charge me $800 USD for a 5060
Which will be 5% slower than 4060 but supports DLSS 4.0.😪
And with 8gb vram
If this keeps up people will need to start wiring 10 gauge wiring to their computer rooms. I’m not kidding.
While that is funny, it's not absurd. My PC have a 4090, 7950X3D, 9x 140mm uni fans, etc... and guess what? I had to get 2x 1500va UPS batteries. One dedicated for the PC only, the other for monitor, desk and other stuff.
@@CarlMartRod That's pretty insane in the membrane
@@CarlMartRod It's going to be similar to hooking up an electric oven or dryer. 3-phase GPU's in the future?
If only America actually used 240 volt
@@notorious8361 If they start putting in 3 phase motors maybe
it's going to be so fun watching connectors melt all over again.
THIS
This is the new ultimate feature done within 10 minutes of game play, Nvidia ™
yeah fr
learn to connect a plug...solved
@@IndyMotoRider it's a $1500 tech device...it shouldn't melt to begin with. what the fk am i paying for if it's gonna melt because i "plugged it in wrong"? you seem to think the average consumer knows or cares about nerd sht like this
*_They say the power of a few city blocks won't be able to quell this thing's hunger for power._*
The gamers yearn for more 4k performance (they all have 1080p mointors 💀)
@@cuteAvancerthey also don’t Know
That it’s 144hertz and not g-sync compatible 💀
With Intel's mess up, imagine if Nvidia starts making cpu to rival AMD
they're looking into making arm based cpus
They tried to buy ARM but the government rejected it as anti-competitive. I doubt they have the desire to enter the crowded space on their own. They're much more interested in dedicated AI chips that perform better in those tasks than GPUs so they can maintain that lead.
@@RyneLanders isn't a private company can a government ban you from doing that?
@@Saint.Holy.Sinner private companies are subject to all sorts of regulations. In this case, anti-competitive or anti-monopoly statutes. Feel free to Google the case for more info. You might also be interested to know that the US government has forbidden sales of certain of their high-end GPUs to China as part of an effort to stymie development of AI there, since Nvidia powers something like 90%+ of global AI training hubs.
Hope RDNA 4 is killing it around 200-500$, which is the relevant Market. 30% more raster + 80-100% rt performance over 7800XT and a lot of People would be happy.
Go look at the price of TSMC's nodes. Every single commentator seems to just glance over the fact that the cost of manufacturing smaller transistors is a stupid price hike. The price difference between TSMC 28 nm and 8 nm, only $2000. 8nm and 7nm? $5000 7nm and 5nm? $6000. 3nm is currently priced out at $20000 per wafer and 2nm projected to be $26000. 8nm was $5000 per wafer btw. The days of budget cards are literally over. $200 does not cover the cost of a single die from these wafers, not even close. Especially when only half of the 100 or so die's on a wafer are operational. Add in the cost of R&D, software support and margins, you can reliablely predict how expensive and unwhelming future "budget" cards are going to be.
Amd is going to continue with the crappy pricing, A good hint is bringing back the rx 7600 but with its new Rx 8600 skin along with all the gimp it can muster.
That is what I am hoping for
@@jasonvors1922 Last gen AMD is priced great. That's where the budget but good GPU's are, or the 3060. That works too.
@@user-mh6ie9wm6m AMD addressed this, which is why they have been working on FSR 4, Frame Gen 2, and a host of other software for their RX line of cards going back to the 5000 series as applicable. They don't need to keep shrinking nodes if they can get more performance per watt from a much better yield on silicon with current manufacturing and then applying chiplet and 3D cache to it like they did with the 3D series CPU's. Doing this allows them to remain competitive at the $300 - $800 price point which is where the majority of the GPU market is and cut costs, improve margins, improve software and development tools, maintain steady cost effective node progression, and stay competitive.
Stop the cap, You know, nvidia is gonna charge whatever they want. They always have, if people want that level of performance they'll find a way to pay for it. It's ridiculous vote with your wallet.
I hear the black market organ sales are booming since the 4090 dropped. 😂
Agreed. We showed the corporate world what we are willing to spend during the chip shortage/artificial stock shortage/covid. it's been downhill ever since.
That’s literally Monopoly mean
If you had the money, would you not buy it?
@GForceIntel I wouldn't and I do actually have money to buy it but that is way too much for just a GPU that in 2 years will be replaced by something better.
I don't know why people keep bringing up the power draw, AIB 4090's had 600W on some models but the 4090 is so efficient it never gets that high.
I got you, i have a 4090 Rog Strix and it pulls under 400w while gaming. With DLSS it pulls around 350w undervolted and uncapped frames.
@@venusprinzj8094 Yeah my 4090 Tuf Gaming OC is unlocked for 600W but it usually runs like half that, it's really an impressive card.
@@venusprinzj8094 that's still more than the 980ti pulled... in SLI. two of them.
@@GraveUypo but 2 980ti's can't compare to a 4090.
do the math, if you increase power in need to increase performance, you'd be needing 2 better cards to rival the 4090.
and by the time you want to pass it by performance you are also passing that 400W milestone by a longshot because older cards are more or less inefficient compared to the latest tech.
@@GraveUypothe 7900xtx also pulls more than the 4090 XD, dude whats your point with 980ti, you cant compare those old GPUs with new ones...
Crazy how Intel and AMD are not trying to bring out cards that target 1080p 16gb vram with better power per watt! Id rather play 1080p max settings at around 120 fps but the card pull 200w that play 4k 60fps with raytracing and the card pulling over 500w!
the reason that people buy nvidia is cause nvidia innovates. you may not like ray tracing(just saying as example), but other people do. is amd better at ray tracing than nvidia? no. then how will someone drop nvidia and buy amd? they won't. rtx 20x0 don't have the performance increase of 10x0 vs 9x0 and yet the price went up. why? ray tracing. people spent more money for less performance gain compared to 10x0 vs 9x0 just to get ray tracing. it's not as simple as making a gpu for 1080 16gb with better power per watt that you said. this is not enough to make people drop nvidia and buy amd instead. it needs more than this. what they need? i don't know.
Thats me I prefer 1080p and got an IPS and the colors pop, you don't really notice the difference in pixel density especially in a 24" to 26" monitor. My wife has a huge 37" 2k wide screen and I can't play on it and actually enjoy mine more. 4K is dumb at small screen sizes and larger screens are just too large mainly bragging rights imo. The only reason I can see it ever being practical is for a sim rig.
the only option i see is amd and intel giving high performing budget cards that nvidia overprices
You can get that with 2 generations old graphic cards, what are you yapping about
@@thedesireguardian2470 I doubt you will get 1080p 60fps max setting on say Dragons Dogma 2 or Black Myth Wukong on a card 2 gens old, without using any DLSS or frame gen or equivalent.
In my private environment who are really close to the green company I heard something about 1400$ for the 5080 and 2000$ for the 5090.
I can lie on the internet too. No way the 5080 will be more than $1200 MRSP when it sitll has 16gb vram
@@michaelangst6078 Mark my words and we will see this in January. I have nothing to gain from lying btw.
I believe the performance hierarchy will look something like 5090 > 4090 > 5080
@@michaelangst6078 Its GDDR7 so why not
Sounds like anybody who has a 4090 could skip this year and wait for the 6000 series.
you can literally wait for 70 series with 4090 there is no ps6 or new xbox so no new gen games…
@@cloud380 In raw procesing a 4090 is 5xps5 so you might as well wait until ps7 and 70ti.
I wonder if they’ll finally start to prioritise efficiency by the 60/70 series. They can’t just keep adding watts to get more performance. We want power consumption to decrease while maintaining performance now
@@Probly It will mostlly depend on amd gaining ground in the market, if the performance, power consumption and price leaked for the rx8000s is correct and amds improvements keep the same pace then then when the rx9000s come out nvidia will have no choice but to lower prices and power consuption to keep their share of the market, wich they might not care abouth because most of their sales come from ai cards for data centers. Nvidia has grate marketing but given the state of their low end cards and the fact that their high end cards are stupidlly exepensive i will not be surprised if they start loosing market share soon. When i upgrade im switching to amd mostlly because of the problems with 12 pin connectors, in my country there is no way im getting the factory warranty and getting the seller to replace my card if it melts the connector is going to be such a pain in the ass that i prefer sticking to pcie 8.
@@Probly40 series very much did prioritize power efficiency, just terrible prices all around.
I don't think the 5090 will be 600W the same was said when 4090 wasn't a thing
hopefully rdna4 cuts prices
Thank you. Exactly what I said! :D
Pretty sure the 4090 was also leaked to use up to 600w of power. Even the heatsink is designed for 600w. Though in reality it uses like 350w when gaming. The 5090 might be technically designed to theoretically hit 600w, but in reality it'll probably be in the 350w to 400w range in actual gaming scenarios.
Nice. I was thinking something similar when I typed my comment before I scrolled through many fascinating comments to find this one. Glad I'm not the only one that remembers the rumored watts. :)
Exactly, crazy how many ppl on UA-cam don’t seem to understand this. It will probably only draw 50-100w tops more than the 4090
Im currently saving for a 4070, since nvidia's technologies would be useful for the stuff I want to do, but pricing is seriously making me consider amd instead
Buy used, buy happy 😊
It really depends on what you want to do with the card. If you want to render and edit etc. then go Nvidia. If you don't care about raytracing and want more VRAM for the future then get AMD. I got a 7900XT earlier this year and I'm very happy with it. Runs everything I need it to
@maurice5402 yeh, the kind of stuff I'm planning on using it for is like ai and nvidia specific things, I guess I just have to hope the 4070 drops in price when the 5070 comes out
@@maurice5402 Yep. I've enjoyed my 6800 so much, I got my wife a 6800 too probably around when you did. Got it used for just over $300. Can't beat that kind of price to performance. Used, but perfect is what I'd call it.
I'd be hard pressed to upgrade, having plenty, but if I did it'd be AMD.
Doing productivity, I run a 5950x and the wife, more a gamer, she has the 5800x3d I thought I wanted. LOL
@@fizbonetv2816 Keep your eyes out for the next gen AMD cards, they are going to use AI cores, it might just be what you have been saving up for.
Lowkey hoping the 5090 just tank the 4090 prices
I predict the 4090 will drop to around 1000 in the used market
At 1k its a compelling option. Mostly because I paid 500 for a used 1080 ti in 2017. Is double the price but I think it actually would be more than double the performance
So what would a 4080 super drop to ya think ??
Would guess 700 to 800 range
3090 is now a third of the price it was at launch after the 4090 released, even a 4070ti is better than a 3090 (and a lot more power efficient). The 5090 will likely halve the price of the 4090, unless it's ridiculously priced.
I'm gonna be the Devil's advocate here for a second. Yeah, it's powerful and hungry, but to be fair the 90 series have not been directed at consumers anyway at that price range and power consumption. They will be just like the 3090 and 4090, they will be workstation cards on a smaller budget for those that absolutely don't need the best power consumption and ECC memory. They will be snatched by AI companies, weather forecasts, and other branches like crazy. The 4080 and 5080 will be more than enough for 4K overkill settings.
The 4090 has ECC mode as an option.
Meh. There are still games that on 4k run barely over 60fps on a 4090. So I disagree a 4080 is enough for overkill settings. Yes you obviously can play at 4k with it but 4k with a higher framerate (100+) a 4090 is pretty much required unfortunately.
the only nvidia gpus in my house are inside laptops
This will change 2024/25,
I dropped $800 on my GPU. I play 4k so upscaling is crucial and I also enjoy turning on ray tracing so.. had to go big.
@@christophermullins7163 "...I play 4k so upscaling is crucial..."
In other words : you don't play at 4k, 1440p at best.
@@lamikal2515 you've never seen Nvidia upscaling. Performance dlss at 4k looks better than 1440p native. And also what different does it make to you?
@@christophermullins7163 it makes no difference, until come the time when upscaling will be so prevalent that AMD and Nvidia will be able to artifically render their previous Gen GPUs unusable, because they won't support the last version of upscaling technique...wich developpers will be "heavily incentivized to use" (as heavy as a fat stack of money, in fact) And everything will run like shit without upsscaling, because games will be (and already are) bUiLt WiTh UpScAlInG iN mInD
But I guess you are too short sighted to see that coming.
Understand this is power theyve had for years just giving us it in drips and drabs.
Based on the ram speeds its looking like the 5090 will be 40-50% faster than the 4090
What we are also seeing, which is the most important aspect of future for gpus is this:
Nvidia is showing and proving that they can increase performance, but they can only do it with crazy power amounts - therefore the progress limit will end up being artifically set by customer power limit criteria rather than gpu performance or price over the next 5-10years.
This also a huge reason why mid range card prices have been and will from now on creep up and up and up...
Great video btw, I subbed and hope you hit 100k soon 🍻
Except that in reality, the solution to hitting an efficiency wall isn't to tim taylor it, it's to find a way around it. In other words, look at Intel vs AMD Ryzen. This is LITERALLY part of what AMD said they are doing by dropping out of the top of the line race in GPUs at the moment. Capture the product stack at the 'budhet-affordable' range, and then use that money to go back to the drawing board, so they can come back with a product that solves the limitations their competitor has hit. The problem is, that unlike with Intel, where the CPUs aren't backed up by proprietary software features, NVIDIA has a long history of biasing the implementations of core features to favor THEIR hardware, and relying on patents and IP laws to force an arbitrary dependency when there doesn't actually need to be one. God forbid we talk about how much of their market dominance is inertial faith and the sweetheart deals they make with Dell and other system integrators to ensure most the market is utilizing their hardware, and with it, disincentivize software developers to focus on improving the hardware agnostic methods.
NVIDIA is scum, pure and simple. They have relied on anti-competitive practices since the 2000s.
@@jtnachos16 Agree partly but reality is, all company's that are publicly listed, have a legal obligation to maximise profits for shareholders so ALL floated companies are inherently ruthless in a capitalistic sense as they face shareholder accountability if they aren't going for more money always.
Truth be told, most nvidia secrets aren't secret anymore due to the recent hack and source code theft.
Nvidia does have quite a history of pushing graphics development over the years moreso than Amd and that can't help but breed consumer loyalty which will always be hard to shake off.
1 thing is certain for the future: If nvidia continue with greed at the high end, then Amd will swoop in over the mid to long term at the mid end and budget end and will end up being the future of gaming PC graphics cards in most typical peoples PCs
Vram speed is a Bad indication of Overall performance. Just Check 4090 vs 3090 ram speed and gaming/ Compute Performance
@@mueccke I agree, vram alone would be a bad indicator but considering it alongside power limits and the other known specs of the 5090, everything is pointing to around 50% better than 4090, the 3k was new progress and more power than before, 4k was the refinement of 3k but using less power, so now for 5k to progress, it can only be done using more power and there's a point where users find power rediculous and nvidia knows that - this is what will lead to only moderate increases in performance each generation now eg 50% more as the power reqs will stop nvidia putting out 80-100% better cards than last gen card.
Everything now is pointing to performance gains being slowed due to crazy power reqs being needed for future better performance, so progress in general is slowing down and maybe 5 years from now, we will see it levelling off as fab shrinks prove harder and harder to achieve and harder to give high yields.
I'm quite confident 5090 will be 40-50% faster than 4090 but I hope I am very wrong and everyone gets to enjoy 60 80 or 100% improvement 😉
And I say that as a 3090 owner 👍
I would bet 5090 will be $1,800 and the much cut down 5080 will be $1,200
I think the same. Hopefully 5080 will be a better deal for gamers, and not used to upsell for a 5090 like they did last gen (4080 msrp was 1200 only to make 4090 1600 a better deal).
They might make it more expensive than that to not cannibalize 4090 sales.
I think they'll say that and then it ends up costing $2500
Good, then Ill buy the 4080
No one should dream of a price drop. The entire 5000 series starts at a higher price, so the 4000 series can remain priced where it is. 5060 800$, 5070 1200$, 5080 1500-1800$, 5090 can stop anywhere, 2500$+. So you can prepare.
It's mind boggling that GPUs are reaching 500W, I can't believe we're just jumping the wattage up and not prioritizing lower power draw for slightly higher power, like ZEN 5 is actually doing.
Working further and redoing it all over again, to make better GPUs, and make it less power hungry
guys, gddr7 speed is 32 Gbps .
then, ( 32 x 488 )/8 = 1.952 TB/s [Bandwidth] , almost 2x the bandwidth 🤯🤯🤯
If it can't tame 4k gaming we are doomed.
You are having it very good there. The RTX 4090 cost 3300 USD on release here in hungary. That price increase goes for every single VGA on the market here.
Oh boy I can't wait to play the countless numbers of worthwhile, high quality AAAAA games on this beast!
lol all new games suck so bad, who cares how good a crap game looks lol
@@ImakeTanks Myth wukong looks like booty juice and runs like it to, And it's so sandboxed a kitten has more freedom to roam.
Why are people talking about "no competition" guys you wouldn't buy an AMD card even if there WAS competition at the high end 😂😂
Actually I would. The 6800 xt was an S tier card. The 7900 Gre is a great card for 529$. AMD is behind in upscalling and RT because they started 2 years later than Nvidia.
@@smithnwesson990 But the sales suggest differently, This has been the case for many years.
I don't understand why but this happens in many markets, look at mobile phones.
No this is just wrong
Yeah exactly.. everyone's complaining about monopoly when their delusional brand loyalty is the reason Nvidia has a monopoly like this in the first place 😂 personally idc about ray tracing or any of that BS so I went all in on AMD
Well, I bought a 6900xt because at that moment AMD was really making some progress.
I bet they could sell the 4090 for 1.000 and still make mega Bank
Yes sir,it's true.They have incredible profit with the 4000 series.I think the 4090 production cost no more than 200$.....
Can't wait to see more melted power connectors 👍🏻
LOL, we are thinking it. :)
I got the 3080 for $700 a year after it came out. I lost my interest in upgrading after GPUs got to $1000+ for barely any improvement. It’s also not comforting that they keep increasing power draw. That was part of the reason the Intel CPUs were failing. Increased heat = accelerated corrosion and wear. If you get 25% more performance at the cost of 25% more power, then you’re not really improving.
They say it can support 600w but without safety ratio. A 8 pin has a safety ratio of 2 to 1 they can draw twice of what they are rated for and be safe. The nvidia 12pin has a ratio of 1.1 to 1. Which is nothing.
which is why it was already melting with 450w
I know it will be most american gpu ever, Bunch of big letters like "RTX" Followed by number 5000 and it will draw 500watt energy idle, you are going to need a separate power supply just for your graphics card.
It will be placed outside of our case with huge cables connected to it and it will have 5 huge fans cooling that thing and to make it work you would have to jump start it with a freaking recoil cord.
isn't the 5070 still at 12gb?
Yes
Well that honestly sucks.
no way 😭😭
ngreedia keeps getting ngreedier
so 4090= 450 watt.
5090= 600 watt.
10090 = 1100 watt ?? and so on ?
I'm running an Rx 6800 and my computer is basically a small space heater. I can't IMAGINE how hot these computers will get!
6700 (non-XT) here, even 120W is a lot of heat on hot days. Seriously considering going iGPU next time around.
7900XT owner here, I dont even have to wear clothes in my room anymore lol
Just bought a 6800 xt here, Still haven't got the time to test it but I know I will love it even if it draws a lot of power
@@maurice5402 What the heck... my Hellhound 7900XT sits around 45-60c so not sure what people are talking about.
Soon the sweat will be in your eyes and Vaseline vision will naturally take place in flavor of dlss
RTX 5090 will have ultra giga benchmark score but you need multiple nuclear power plant to run it... 🙄
Vex you need to do the video "AMD is has left the High End GPU market, what next for AMD GPUs"
I have my violins out in chat for thee tears of these fanboys
🎻🎻🎻🎻
Honestly I bought an 4080 super and just called it a day I’m expecting them to charge more and seeing ps5 doing it with the pro and with amd not competing up top also I don’t crap money and still on am4 this is where ima just chill out and enjoy the show the 4080S does everything I need of it ! But I’ll still be watching to see!
I have a friend with a ton of cash and he wanted to be able to do a bunch of business on 1 monitor and game hard on the other whenever he wanted. So instead of wasting money on a 4090 after I learned what his monitor was, we went with 2 4080's. So he could still be as baller as he wanted. AND... when/if he wants a 5080 or 5090 he can do that for the gaming screen.
That and when you build a system for a friend... do you want to chance the connectors melting?
Pardon me, probably was a 4080S, it's been a minute since I set it up.
Me too, got the PNY 4080 super for $924 on da amazons. Wondering what I’ll be forced to sell it for if I decide to upgrade to a 5080
@@tradingnichols2255I agree the 4090 sounds nice but I buy long term I don’t want the risk of catching fire which Ik it pretty rare! I will admit that I am eyeing what the 50 series is capable of but I don’t know if I’ll join the race! Maybe if the price is right but I highly doubt they be able to pull it off😂
@@vindeiatrixlol only if the 5080 doesn’t cost an kidney 😂
Scalpers: *”I can’t even scalp the 4090/5090, NVIDIA’s already doing it themselves”*
Not surprising. Nvidia knows they own the high end (and have for years), they know they can get away with it.
damn think how well it's going to run the newest unoptimized pc games these lazy devs come out with
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A 4090 will pull 600W under full load (I've seen it with gpu mining) and all 4 pci-e cables plugged in to the 12pin adapter. A lot of people like myself only plug in 3 pci-e cables plugged in to the 12pin adapter to run at 450W.
1:03 if in the us the situation is dramatic, in Italy this card has never gone under 2000€, or 2200 us $....
4090 costs 3000 $ in some countries so 5090 would be like 4 or double the og rate 😂
Tbf, the yanks never include tax when they quote prices.
@@myne00 Tax in the US, across the country, is only 10-20% at peak on consumer goods (and this is factoring in edge cases like added import taxes or particular oddball local taxes for specific types of goods), with the vast majority of states falling at under 10%, with most even being around/under 9%. Compare to Europe, where you have insanity like VAT tax that is set to around 20% for all but the smallest/poorest nations, and even in places like Canada, 15% is the average, not an outlier.
Now, that's BEFORE factoring in that things are actually priced higher in European countries for reasons beyond just sales/goods taxes.
Including the tax cost on a 1700 dollar GPU isn't going to inflate it to the 2k+ USDe people are often paying overseas. For reference, the Euro is currently sitting at the equivalent of 1.1USD in conversion.
This isn't even touching on things like currency exchange rate not being directly reflective of the buying power in a given market.
This thing is going to be 2500+ for fancy models and over msrp prices lmao
In Ukraine 4090 goes for almost 2500$. It's ridiculous.
Especially considering the fact, that minimal montly wage is around 195$, while in US it's ~1120$ a month.
We were about to start having to put two power supplies on our PC. One, solely for the GPU
I think the reason amd is focusing on mid range is to fight intel. Otherwise if they focus on top range and keep getting beat by nvidia and thier mid range gets stomped by intel they will be in trouble. I think we may see the best mid range pricing of all time.
Most people don't actually need more than 6 and 8 cores cpus. You're playing a game; not rendering 96k 8 hour videos of the Mona Lisa spinning.
Hopefully, RDNA gets rid of their main flaw and we can see killer cards for 200 to 400 dollars. The high end cards aren't meant for normal consumers anymore 💀
@@cuteAvancer Polaris was the last great generation of amds. After rdna crap came out their pricing has been nothing more than garbage can fuel.
@jasonvors1922 Prettg much. I used my RX 580 for years untill recently when I got a Nitro+ 6600xt for 135 dollars which was acceptable for me lmao
I hope the 4080's starting price is $1500, let Nvidia keep pulling their shit, I will just keep boycotting their greedy asses and buy AMD GPU's. I was part of the GTX 970 class action lawsuit, I also own a GTX 1070 Ti which also saw Nvidia nerf the crap out of its performance once they dropped their RTX 2000 cards because the 10 series cards are GOATED. I am tired of that predatory BS that NGreedia is partaking in, and in fact their recent debacle is the RTX 4060 with GDDR6, not GDDR6X as it originally came with and the naming is the EXACT SAME, and its the SAME PRICE for 5% less performance.
5030 64 bit 4 gb only 499.99 $
RTX 5020 64 bit bus, 4GB DDR3 for the nasty price of 399 !
d*ldo offered !
Jenson Huang: *”We wanted to do something different this year… So we decided to build our first indoor home heating product, powered by RTX. Our new, 600 watt RTX 5090 gives you enough power to deliver incredible ray traced reflections AND heat your entire home.”*
the 4090 has transient spikes up to 600watts which was causing issues with some power supplies. I think the 5090 is going to be a bigger challenge.
I watch a LOT of deep tech reviewers. I didn't think 40 series had the ambient spikes that 30 and 20 series did. I thought this was mostly solved.
The 6090 will have the form factor of a stove that you can actually cook your eggs on. They will market it as an all in one solution for cooking and gaming.
I'm just not interested in Nvidia anymore man. Not with their ethics, lack of focus on gamers, increasingly (but not worrying) breaking of software (they're too focused on ai)
But especially with high thermals, AIBs opting for sub-par paste + pads, and high power usage.
4060 is the most selling gpu, and 5060 will become the best selling gpu once it's released. the normies will still buy nvidia cause it has brand recognition.
@SapiaNt0mata I'm saying.
Nvidia and 4060s are GREAT for beginners.
But AMD cards are for more experienced users. If you ever have a problem, it's usually user error and changed the wrong settings
@@SapiaNt0mata Rtx 4060 aka the rtx 4050 isn't worth a bit of mud let alone the money they charge for it, Amd isn't even a better option offering the rx 7600 garbage can gpu also just as gimped and over priced
@@ArouzedLamp "But AMD cards are for more experienced users. If you ever have a problem, it's usually user error and changed the wrong settings"
Explain how AMD cards are more for experiences users? Because an an "experienced" user I don't see it.
@@aflyingcowboy31 People are just ignorant and think AMD GPUs are just buggy or something have never really experienced any of this and I have a 6950XT
Nvidia will hit the same law of physics's limits as Intel did... you just wait. I'm going AMD to for next gen, that's it.
Mid-range is where it's at. Nvidia has every right to produce a halo product and charge what they like for it, normal consumers don't need this. Competition in the mid-range is all that really matters.
Exactly, people want good Value below 500$ and enough VRAM.
@@lukashuening 💯, I'd say below $400, but YMMV. 12GB VRAM or more, 16GB for sure above $400.
yup. these type halo type products are the ones who buy this type for their workstation each time a new one comes out. (2080Ti - 3090Ti - 4090. etc)
@@c99kfm ya I say that's on point imo, 8gb is kinda 2015 era in consideration to when 12gb became actually useful for gamers.
@@c99kfm Amd was charging around 350$ for the junk can known as the rx 7600, They are dead to me
600W is insane...
5070 it will be maybe cca 270-300W
GPU's have become so silly, really made PC gaming a complete joke, unless you buy last generation cards second hand, you can at least find something reasonable that way.
I can at best find a 10% lower cost of used gpu's compared to the same but new.
the one responsible for this is nvidia with rtx 20x0. ray tracing is the factor that increased the prices, and there's no turning back. and if they create another crap like ray tracing(whatever it is), prices will go up again..
@@SapiaNt0mata Eh? What is wrong with a company pushing technology forward though? Yes, their CEO is likely buying more yachts than you can imagine but they still push the edge with each year at least.
Also Raytracing predates RTX gpus WAY back... do you think nvidia invented it? LOL.
You can always buy a gpu on sale, bundled with other pc parts, pre owned, used, and you can possibly pat every 2 weeks or 1 time a month until the gpu is paid off. Stop complaining.
One day GPUs will be bigger than car batteries lmao.
You are stressing over the 4090 in dollars, here in the UK simply change the dollar sign to pounds to get an accurate cost!!! (Typical cost currently £1600-£1700, $2088 - $2219) I can see 1440p gaming across uk and europe being a thing for at least the next 5 years plus. Currently a G card costing that sort of money is plain rediculous, then spending at least the same on the rest of the system, you won't run one of these on budget systems! Hell, just the psu over here will set you back $300+. Is 4k 'really' worth it? Most folks won't notice a huge difference unless they are spending close on £1000 on an oled monitor anyways, and if you play FPS, you probably won't notice at all.
Customers: "4090 is so HOT!"
Nvidia: "Hold my beer, son, I got 5090 on deck"
$700 for an PS5 Pro doesnt sound that expensive now...
Exactly 😂 thank u
It still does. Insanely expensive.
Still does......
Just get a AMD 7800 / 7900 XT / XTX
you dont need rtx 5090 to play games .
Fanboys always trying to justify themselves
I really hope it's goes for above
1750$
2000$ AIB model
and watch ppl buy it , why not
it's new iPhone
Unlike iPhone these GPUs are actually the best GPUs available
With no RDNA 4 RX 8950 XTX to challenge the 5090 Ti for the $1000 GPU market, who knows how expensive the 5090 alone will be. $2000? And an RTX 5090 Ti for $3000???
RDNA 4 needs to really punch Nvidia in the gut for the RTX 5050, to the RTX 5070 Ti. It's the only way the common consumer will win.
i have some news. AMD official quit the high-end gpu. there won't be a gpu to rival 5080 and 5090.
@@SapiaNt0mataIf it allows them to produce 8600-8800XT in large quantity for a good Price I don't care. People want to build PC's below 1200$ that can do all they want them to do.
It's rumoured to be $1599 or $1699
Don't remember
Thats at msrp
Na i hope RDNA 4 fails so i can see the Green team folk get reward $500 dollar price increases for their loyalty to the GREEN TEAM.
Consumers determine the price, not competitors.
If a competitor made a chip to compete and people don't buy it then that has no effect on Nvidia. think RX580 and GTX1060, the 580 was arguably a better card with more VRam but was massively outsold by the 1060. It had little to no effect on the pricing.
People will buy what people will buy, irrespective of competition.
I remember during the chip shortage...people were paying $2k for a 3080 FE on ebay
0:21 it's sad 4090 is barely 1440p card now
More like Wukong's top preset Cinematic isn't intended for current hardware. There's little sense playing at those settings unless you like low fps...
Its sad the 7900xtx is barely a 1080p card now. Maybe its because Black myth Wukong is running on UE5 and is one of the best looking Games right now.
@@venusprinzj8094 Just zero optimisation. It's not doing that much. If it looks similar on consoles, it's not special, graphically speaking.
2000$ is nothing for true Nvidia fans.. Spend more, save more :)
@@roki977i must have lost at least 500 brain cells reading your comment
There's a special place in hell for all the engineers and directors at Nvidia for producing a power hungry GPU like this.
Am I the only one really annoyed with trashing nvidia for power consumption when in real use the 4090 literally uses less power than the 7900 XTX while pumping out more performance?
As much as they get away with the pricing, the bias is still painfully fucking obvious when it comes to the treatment of the vendors.
No i got you buddy, my 4090 is pulling 350w undervolted with DLSS and uncapped frames, destroying a 7900xtx and not heating up my room.
Can we stop to defend a company that obv is fingering Our A hole and all we can Do is Not to buy them ?
@@m.d404 Defending a company and being objective are two different things. I don't need to be a dishonest piece of shit to do the latter.
I own a 7900 XTX, I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
We should be trashing both of them lol
@@m.d404 AMD is also doing that, 7900XTX costs the same as a 4080S and the difference is 1-2 FPS on 4k, while the 4080S sometimes pulls less than 250w and the 7900xtx pulls up to 380w.
AMD is not your friend either, why acting like AMD is a savior when they act the same as Nvidia and sometimes worse, like blocking DLSS from Games, RE4 Remake, Starfield
I'll sell my 4090 and swallow my pride. And I'm not SUPER flexible. Nuff said. But the 5090 WILL be mine 😂
I think all tech reviewers should just ignore these ultra expensive cards. Stop reviewing them, stop using them as a benchmark.
These are only for the happy few, it's better to concentrate on the "mid tier cards" even if those are also going up in price.
I believe these cards are not representative nor interesting for +90% of the gamers.
Not sure I agree - still even if most won't own these I still think it's interesting to see cutting edge tech being released.
So tech reviewers should just stop making half of their job, got it.
Top selling cards are for the few? Make it make sense
Everybody here is blowing smoke over a price point that isn’t even confirmed, and over a rumor of its power consumption which is likely maximum load but average load under stress is probably half that.
Edit: I’ll start complaining after I see the announcement and official specs.
Exactly.
Who even cares beyond bragging rights? All the new games look like blurry trash due to TAA and UE5 anyway. The prices has been wrecked by idiots who pay anything and its only going to get worse, people who actually play games are not the market anymore.
No unreal 5 games look good maybe not all of them but it also depends on the settings and I would argue maybe not we are past the learning curve for the engine. I'm sure there will be better games as time goes on and more devs know how to use the engine. Also what features they want to use or not the same with any other big engine. You know you can wait for sales, bundles, deals, pre owned, used or open box. You can also use a payment plan service. Stop complaining and yes people will buy what they need either to play games how they want or to play games and do productivity work.
Completely sick of these prices, it’s new technology, but it doesn’t take more money to create it. They’re attempting to maximize their profit margins, but little do they know that the amount of sales will be MUCH less if they start charging more. Every 8 hours of gameplay, a 1000 watt pc can cost 5-10$. Half of that for one graphics card, especially with the cost of the card itself, is absolutely ridiculous.
Can't wait for the 5090. Nvidia take my money
Since gamers didnt hear the omen last mining craze and after it and kept buying these overpriced missleading nodes and gave Jensen 600$ for a 4060 dont be amazed if AAA gaming becomes a luxury/niche market since the rest of us not accepting getting scammed with 600$ for a crappy 4060 wont be able to run these games and therefore shrink the market. Indie games it is.
Amd and Sony were smoking hella kush with the release of the play station 5 pro.
Note : a standard 15a receptacle (in the USA) can handle around 1500-1800w.
And if the computer were to pull that much it would trip a 15a breaker.
@@FantomMisfit implied by my comment
i think were getting over it. NVIDIA has gone to extreme lengths to extinguish gamers' enthusiasm for advanced graphics and I think theyve finally succeeded.
My greatest disappointment in buying one of the most expensive GPUs is to face badly optimized games that will stutter no matter what; thing is running 200 fps and still stutters due to badly made games or DRMs
NVidia needs to worry about register overflow on their bank account.
Gonna have your circuit breaker trippin.
Get it trippin. I’m so funny
Previously, when NVIDIA released new GPUs, the price of a model in the same series (like upgrading from an RTX 2060 to an RTX 3060) would be roughly the same on release, but the newer model had better specs. This made upgrading a sensible choice.
However, now the pricing structure has changed. Instead of being based on the model or series, prices are more tied to performance. For example, both the RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 3070 are now averaging around $320, even though they are from different generations.
i owned 4090 and 4080s,but 5090 is so tempting xD
If both AMD and Intel, refuse to step up their game in high-performance graphics cards, NVIDIA has zero incentive, nor any viable reason, to lower either their power draw or pricing because they have no competition.
If the best battle mage card can have the performance of the rtx 4080 at 500$ I will buy it in a heartbeat.
Thats not AMD and Intel's problem. If a person wants very badly to pay NVIDIA and deal with their hardware, good for them. AMD and Intel don't exist to give people price cuts for what they want to buy anyway (which is Nvidia). Pay the price or don't.
Intels dying. If things don't drastically change for their finances they'll be bankrupt in a year or 2 (I'm not even joking Watch Louis Rossman's video about it)
Remember the 3090ti was 2k at launch. The 3090 was 1500, the 4090 launched at 1700. I don’t see it being over 2k, but, we’ll see I guess
Yes, only the China ban drove the 4090 over 2k for a while.
The 4090 sits at more than 2000$ now.What do you think?The 5090 starts at lower than this? 🤣 The starting price is 2500$ minimum and almost 3000 eur in europe........
NVIDIA is discontinuing the RTX 4090, leaving the RTX 5090 as the only high-end option. Despite its MSRP of $2,225, scalpers are expected to drive prices to between $3,000 and $4,000. An impending recession could potentially soften the market, possibly leading to more affordable RTX 5090s closer to the holiday season.
Will get the lowest wattage cheapest rtx 5090 and undervolt and put an aio water-cooling solution and that beast!
Cant wait for the 5090 to be like 5% better than the 4090 for 5x the price
28gb vram is so incredibly unneccesary, dont need more than 16-20gb, with 16gb you're done in 1440p for the coming 5-6 years guaranteed.
My left kidney has served me well...
4090 products always gonna sell, because its like the lifted turbocharged truck of pc gaming, its Beeg size and capability to raw dog any game is what appeals to people so it doesn't surprise me they are selling, so if the 5090 is similar, it will sell as well
Nvidia is basically doing what intel is doing. more watts for more performance. while AMD is less watts for good or same performance.
It's gotten out of hand. I'd consider it a monopoly at this point because the RX series doesn't compete anymore.
idc how much they charge for the 4090 or 5090. But i really wish would just squeeze the high end and pass some savings to their budget options.
People are paying 600 dollars for 12gb nvidia cards. Nvidia just dropped mem speed and only removed one letter on the box. Same part number. Until amd has significant gpu market share this will continue. Buy a 7900gre if you don't like this. That's right you will pay 3000 for the 5090.
No I won't. I've completely given up on Nvidia at this point I'm eyeing the 7900gre but honestly their ain't many games to justify it at the moment. Ill just wait for the 8000 series equivalent.