I've been shooting clays for 40 years. It's a ton of fun. Alas, I'm still terrible at it. I prefer to shoot alone so I don't get laughed at. But after watching this video I have a little hope. I see now I don't lead the pigeon enough. Why it took 40 years to figure it out is beyond me.
went today for my first time, got 71 out of 100. never had so much fun. thank you for this video as an absolute beginner i have no reference or anyone to learn from so thank you sir.
Thank you ogstopper for watching it and commenting. If there are any target types you'd like to see or if you have any video requests, please let us know and we'll shoot/film them. Thanks again for commenting.
@@Shotkam What would be very helpful would be a ShotKam view of a round of English Skeet. It's a great product - I'm saving a bit of my pension each month to buy one! Don't tell the Mrs!
Ive always struggled with clays. Im a very good shot in everything else. This changed my whole perspective on lead times at different distances. I was way under estimating how far you need to lead a shot especially at longer distances.
Thank you for this feedback Theren; it is so great to hear. Do you have a ShotKam yourself? Or do you mean simply watching the videos helped me? Either way, thank you for watching and sharing this review. - Emily
Theren Aldrich, unlike other firearms disciplines, shotgunning requires 100% hard focus on the target. If for a millisecond you attempt to aim, visually measure lead, look at the shotgun bead, or otherwise take away visual focus from the target, you likely will miss. Begin shooting this way and your skills will improve as you learn to see the target but feel the lead. Trust your natural hand-eye coordination, your eyes will guide your hands. There's much more technique involved that can be quickly learned by seeking out a qualified instructor.
A picture is worth a thousand words and if you have a hard time figuring it out after this video you then need a million words. Love shotkam instantly had a much higher % of success with shotkam and of course the forever practice to apply.
Wish I had discovered these sooner a picture saves a thousand words iv just subbed too.Got my gun fitted ,pattern tested with right cartridge now practice with some idea of where to go.Thanks Regards Tony
The video is slowed down by approximately half. For a more accurate feel, set it to 2x speed. Even then, it still might be slightly too slow. Remember though, this just shows you lead. You still need to have a good hold and break point.
@@backatya9468 I looked up a bit more and the shotkam actually slows to 1/3 speed. That's because when you watch the video, it feels the same as doing it in real life.
It’s I think my third or fourth week and I’m hitting about 62% for last week out of a hundred shots so definitely improved, I’m just 11 and love hunting, had been probably two months since I’ve shot so was a little rusty at first
I’ve shot shotguns before but never clay shooting. Went with my brother and his friend and I shot 73/100 on the mid-level course and then we went to the double black diamond and I was at 22/30. Definitely a good start and plan to go more! Thanks for this video. Was cool seeing how you lead different shots!
...some quite difficult speeds, angles and distances in there! Shooter is a very competent and experienced to hit them with such tight chokes. Great video!
Darn good vidio. Sent to my friend to actually see how much lead is needed on some shots. I like skeet the most and as a cross dominant shooting left handed station 6 gave me fits till I actually saw the shot standing behind shooter. Adjusted my lead and did better.
i dont know if your cam was off or this is overdubbed but alot of those crushers were above plane and above and ahead target ive seen that picture and normally a loss bird
...I enjoy watching Shotkam videos (I come back to this one now and again!) but you have to avoid trying to measure the lead when you actually shoot. In reality, everything happens much faster, and the perceived lead feels different depending on your gun speed, hold point, lead method, follow-through etc. "Just off the front" could appear as 2' to you. Learn your own "sight picture" to good shots and then try to repeat it consistently..
@@jimsutton8244 Thank you Jim, really appreciate the comment. Those videos were a mix of shots from David Radulovich (World Champion) and David Stewart (Masterclass & ShotKam Owner), so I'll pass on your high praise. Thanks again for your comment.
Great question! On the day, the shooter used modified chokes for both barrels. If shooting sporting clays, here's generally what we recommend: New shooter: Improved cylinder If you shoot in the 70's: Light modified If you shoot in the 80's: Modified I hope this helps!
Im 17 and i went shooting for the first ever time a couple days ago and i got 23/25 and many people at the club say that im a natural and should consider getting a license and keep coming back.
Hi Fred, thank you for your comment. The ShotKam has an internal rechargeable battery that will need replaced every 2-4 years. The battery replacement is typically done at our facility in Florida ($40), but if you live internationally and prefer to do it yourself, then you can simply purchase a battery replacement kit ($59) which comes with all the necessary tools. You should get many many years of learning with the ShotKam. Should you have any questions, please feel free to visit us at shotkam.com or schedule a phone consultation with one of our ShotKam experts: calendly.com/shotkam-consultation/1 Thanks again and we hope to hear from you. - Emily
So funny listening to these comments. Everyone saying yeah I don’t lead them enough. Nobody does. Once they start gaining ground on you the lead gets so big it feels unnatural
(I) really enjoyed the vid!...Great shooting! It appeared that several of the longer shots taken were successful with 8’ or greater leads. Could someone from ShotKam comment on that? Thanks
Hi Tom, I always love your comments. Here's some fun facts about this video: 1. The first and last pair are shot by David Radulovich (World Champion) 2. The rest of the videos are by David Stewart (ShotKam owner...and my lovely Scottish father 💪) 3. At 1:39 in this video, the Chandelle was 45 yards away and took *12* feet of lead. 4. At 2:10 there was an edge-on battue. 5. Thanks as always for watching.
Some of these shots looks like 20 yard lead which I can't see to be accurate, wish the originator of the vid would elaborate on leading and what is shown in the vid. But good vid for people to see how to shoot clays.
You're supposed to get an idea of how to lead the target but since the target is in slow motion here you get the idea that a slow target gets the same lead as a fast one. Good try anyway, kinda.
The ShotKam slows all videos down into 1/3 speed because that is how your brain perceives a moving target. In other words, this is exactly what the targets looked like while shooting them. You will notice faster targets do get more lead and slower targets less, because every video is in 1/3 speed. If you film a shot with your iPhone for example, then the target will look very fast and small. The ShotKam Camera's field-of-view and playback speed are engineered to replicate the sharp focus of your retina (what the target actually looked like). I hope this helps, thanks for your comment.
Hi Fotis, thanks for your comment. These shots were filmed with the ShotKam mounted to a 12-Gauge over-and-under, was that your question please? Thanks again for watching. - Emily
Hi Colin, thank you for your comment. The ShotKam's default playback speed is 1/3 speed, as this is how your brain actually perceives a moving target. There is a "Playback Speed" option for "Full Speed" though, if needed :).
@@ralfbuschner6925 Hi Ralf, thanks for your comment. Are you saying that when you shoot, the clays look 2x faster than in this video? If that is the case, then that is fairly normal for newer shooters. A good tip is to practice your "Look Points" meaning where you hold your eyes as you call for the clay. We typically recommend not looking at the trap thrower as you call for the bird because the clay will come out extremely quickly and make your brain think that it needs to give a lot of lead, but it reality it slows down quickly. If you establish your "Break Point" (where you want to break the clay), then your "Hold Point" (where you hold your gun), then your "Look Point" should be about half way between the trap thrower and the Hold Point. You'll pick up motion of the clay in your peripheral vision, then once the clay crosses your Look Point you can focus on it and move with it to the break point. I think these two videos may be helpful for you: 1. How to Shoot Skeet: ua-cam.com/video/bi2h4ZpMih8/v-deo.html . This video uses effects to illustrate what I mentioned above. 2. The 4 Shooting Techniques: ua-cam.com/video/josMuJrogro/v-deo.html - This video may help as you begin to learn all the different techniques that shooters use. I hope this helps, thanks again for watching. - Emily
@@Shotkam Nay, what I mean is: clays on the range are looking twice as fast than they really are. After the first couple hundred shots they start to slow down, i hope. ;-)
Each place is different just like golf. The harder courses will have further and trickier shots. There’s a range down in SW FL that had 2 launchers on lifts 50ft high launching them high, fast and away from the shooter for a tournament haha I’ve seen ones that skip them across water or off of hidden trampolines too. It gets pretty wacky
The only thing I learned was the guy can break clays, but I still have no clue on how far to lead any given target due to the distances clays are flying, What's the formula for leading? is it just feel and a ton of shooting? Its why I gave Up sporting clays, I am left eye dominate and shot right-handed ( never shot shotguns growing up just rifles and pistols ) The Shooting coach told me I needed to bend the stock left-handed on my Browning 20g 32" Citori, so I did and I switched to left shoulder, still sucked and made NO Difference, so I sold the damn gun at a loss and bought a new set of golf clubs as I am a WAY better golfer than a sporting clays shooter....LOL Shooting 50% wasn't good enough for me .
I've been shooting clays for 40 years. It's a ton of fun. Alas, I'm still terrible at it. I prefer to shoot alone so I don't get laughed at. But after watching this video I have a little hope. I see now I don't lead the pigeon enough. Why it took 40 years to figure it out is beyond me.
You are not alone...lol
Hey here is a good video on how to judge lead by a world camp ua-cam.com/video/DUuVLyHqhC8/v-deo.html
How I emphasise....I am ok with full bore [ex Army] but with clays I have more chance throwing rocks.
@@brendanukveteran2360 we are taught to aim, apparently it took me close to 30 years to realize that’s not the case 😅
That was useful. More useful than a bunch of chit-chat about how to go about it.
This video is a great service to the sporting clays community! Thank you for sharing.
ShotKam is an Amazing product.
went today for my first time, got 71 out of 100.
never had so much fun.
thank you for this video as an absolute beginner i have no reference or anyone to learn from so thank you sir.
That's amazing to get 71/100 for a first time! Keep it up as you must be a natural to get a score like that 👌
That's such a helpful video. Thank you so much for posting it.
Thank you ogstopper for watching it and commenting. If there are any target types you'd like to see or if you have any video requests, please let us know and we'll shoot/film them. Thanks again for commenting.
@@Shotkam What would be very helpful would be a ShotKam view of a round of English Skeet. It's a great product - I'm saving a bit of my pension each month to buy one! Don't tell the Mrs!
Ive always struggled with clays. Im a very good shot in everything else. This changed my whole perspective on lead times at different distances. I was way under estimating how far you need to lead a shot especially at longer distances.
Thank you for this feedback Theren; it is so great to hear. Do you have a ShotKam yourself? Or do you mean simply watching the videos helped me? Either way, thank you for watching and sharing this review. - Emily
Theren Aldrich, unlike other firearms disciplines, shotgunning requires 100% hard focus on the target. If for a millisecond you attempt to aim, visually measure lead, look at the shotgun bead, or otherwise take away visual focus from the target, you likely will miss. Begin shooting this way and your skills will improve as you learn to see the target but feel the lead. Trust your natural hand-eye coordination, your eyes will guide your hands. There's much more technique involved that can be quickly learned by seeking out a qualified instructor.
This is a great video!
Spectacular shots!
A picture is worth a thousand words and if you have a hard time figuring it out after this video you then need a million words. Love shotkam instantly had a much higher % of success with shotkam and of course the forever practice to apply.
Best comment of the month!
This is very satisfying to watch. Thanks for sharing. I have to get one of these 🤠👍🏻
Wish I had discovered these sooner a picture saves a thousand words iv just subbed too.Got my gun fitted ,pattern tested with right cartridge now practice with some idea of where to go.Thanks Regards Tony
This helps a lot - thanks.
Am I the only one thinking, I do just like that and still miss?
The video is slowed down by approximately half. For a more accurate feel, set it to 2x speed. Even then, it still might be slightly too slow. Remember though, this just shows you lead. You still need to have a good hold and break point.
1.5X is closer to actual speed
@@backatya9468 I looked up a bit more and the shotkam actually slows to 1/3 speed. That's because when you watch the video, it feels the same as doing it in real life.
Watching this shows me how far off I’m actually shooting... I went for my first shoot 4 weeks ago and got 41 out of 100 so this definitely will help
It’s I think my third or fourth week and I’m hitting about 62% for last week out of a hundred shots so definitely improved, I’m just 11 and love hunting, had been probably two months since I’ve shot so was a little rusty at first
Especially on those arching and dropping clays. It's no wonder I always miss those shots. Can't wait to shoot those now.
I lined up the barrel exactly where the clay pigeon was, not in front of it
@@landonbagg5361 yea I come from air rifles so never had to shoot infront of a target before … takes some getting use to lol
The work of one or more Shotgun Masters!
By watching these videos and using my new ShotKam, my shooting has improved........Thanks for posting!
Thank you Steve, really appreciate the kind words and comment. - Emily
I’ve shot shotguns before but never clay shooting. Went with my brother and his friend and I shot 73/100 on the mid-level course and then we went to the double black diamond and I was at 22/30. Definitely a good start and plan to go more! Thanks for this video. Was cool seeing how you lead different shots!
thankyou soooo much ..... these site pictures are just what i needed
Great video thanks. So soothing. On my way to go gun down a few clays now
Awesome....answers so many questions
Great post!
...some quite difficult speeds, angles and distances in there! Shooter is a very competent and experienced to hit them with such tight chokes. Great video!
Darn good vidio. Sent to my friend to actually see how much lead is needed on some shots. I like skeet the most and as a cross dominant shooting left handed station 6 gave me fits till I actually saw the shot standing behind shooter. Adjusted my lead and did better.
Incredible accuracy
i dont know if your cam was off or this is overdubbed but alot of those crushers were above plane and above and ahead target ive seen that picture and normally a loss bird
Very straightforward and helpful video. Thanks a lot!
Thanks so much for your feedback Terry :)
...I enjoy watching Shotkam videos (I come back to this one now and again!) but you have to avoid trying to measure the lead when you actually shoot. In reality, everything happens much faster, and the perceived lead feels different depending on your gun speed, hold point, lead method, follow-through etc. "Just off the front" could appear as 2' to you. Learn your own "sight picture" to good shots and then try to repeat it consistently..
What choke tube was used asking because of the lead distance?
Very shooting. Very polished with keeping the camera in the view of the clay breaking. Some were very long so my compliments to the shooters.
Very “good” shooting - forgot the good!
@@jimsutton8244 Thank you Jim, really appreciate the comment. Those videos were a mix of shots from David Radulovich (World Champion) and David Stewart (Masterclass & ShotKam Owner), so I'll pass on your high praise. Thanks again for your comment.
Brilliant - What chokes are you using?
That’s pretty cool
Any chance you could share which chokes you’re using here? Much appreciated!
Great question! On the day, the shooter used modified chokes for both barrels. If shooting sporting clays, here's generally what we recommend:
New shooter: Improved cylinder
If you shoot in the 70's: Light modified
If you shoot in the 80's: Modified
I hope this helps!
How much time does it take to learn to this level of mastery?
months
Months would prob take like 6 depending on how often you shoot
One day at the range. You can sit at a spot and take as many shots as you want. Then edit a 2min clip and only put in videos of hits lol
thanks! i’ll never miss a target again lol!
What choke tubes are you using?
I am about convinced to buy one of these cams. Still thinking.....
Im 17 and i went shooting for the first ever time a couple days ago and i got 23/25 and many people at the club say that im a natural and should consider getting a license and keep coming back.
man that looks fun thanks for sharing
What gram cartridge was you using
Great video, thank you. What is the life-time of such a camera?
Hi Fred, thank you for your comment. The ShotKam has an internal rechargeable battery that will need replaced every 2-4 years. The battery replacement is typically done at our facility in Florida ($40), but if you live internationally and prefer to do it yourself, then you can simply purchase a battery replacement kit ($59) which comes with all the necessary tools. You should get many many years of learning with the ShotKam. Should you have any questions, please feel free to visit us at shotkam.com or schedule a phone consultation with one of our ShotKam experts: calendly.com/shotkam-consultation/1 Thanks again and we hope to hear from you. - Emily
So funny listening to these comments. Everyone saying yeah I don’t lead them enough. Nobody does. Once they start gaining ground on you the lead gets so big it feels unnatural
What choke are you using?
(I) really enjoyed the vid!...Great shooting! It appeared that several of the longer shots taken were successful with 8’ or greater leads. Could someone from ShotKam comment on that? Thanks
Hi Tom, I always love your comments. Here's some fun facts about this video:
1. The first and last pair are shot by David Radulovich (World Champion)
2. The rest of the videos are by David Stewart (ShotKam owner...and my lovely Scottish father 💪)
3. At 1:39 in this video, the Chandelle was 45 yards away and took *12* feet of lead.
4. At 2:10 there was an edge-on battue.
5. Thanks as always for watching.
And what chokes and ammo was being used? I'm guessing No. 8 shot at 1200fps?
Some of these shots looks like 20 yard lead which I can't see to be accurate, wish the originator of the vid would elaborate on leading and what is shown in the vid. But good vid for people to see how to shoot clays.
Love all the comments on here from little boys confusing computer games with reality
1:05 before clay: exist
After clay: thanos has snapped
Is that @KoToutdoors shooting?!
Very helpfull for me. It's different than paper target with 223rem 😁
Would be nice to see it in real time!! Slow mo kind of ruins the feel for the speed of the birds!
be careful with that eagle 2:22
You're supposed to get an idea of how to lead the target but since the target is in slow motion here you get the idea that a slow target gets the same lead as a fast one. Good try anyway, kinda.
The ShotKam slows all videos down into 1/3 speed because that is how your brain perceives a moving target. In other words, this is exactly what the targets looked like while shooting them. You will notice faster targets do get more lead and slower targets less, because every video is in 1/3 speed. If you film a shot with your iPhone for example, then the target will look very fast and small. The ShotKam Camera's field-of-view and playback speed are engineered to replicate the sharp focus of your retina (what the target actually looked like). I hope this helps, thanks for your comment.
This is good, cheap practice. Well done.
is it just my idea or he is aiming way too front?
usually i aim just a bit in front of the clay and it is all fine.
any response is welcome.
Distance to the target, trajectory of the target, fps of your ammo. The lead will vary
24g???
Hi Fotis, thanks for your comment. These shots were filmed with the ShotKam mounted to a 12-Gauge over-and-under, was that your question please? Thanks again for watching. - Emily
@@Shotkam He means how much did the birdshot weigh in grams?
I was thinking about going skeet shooting but only have me that would be going, does somebody launch the Clay's for you or how does this work?
Depends on the range but either voice activated or someone presses a button. Did you go?
Some push button machines can be set with a 3 second delay for diy
@Josh mcbride no I live in Texas in San antonio
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you need to show these at real speed too not just slow mo
Hi Colin, thank you for your comment. The ShotKam's default playback speed is 1/3 speed, as this is how your brain actually perceives a moving target. There is a "Playback Speed" option for "Full Speed" though, if needed :).
@@Shotkam I'm a clay shooting beginner - for my brain the clays are at least twice as fast than they get thrown...
@@ralfbuschner6925 Hi Ralf, thanks for your comment. Are you saying that when you shoot, the clays look 2x faster than in this video? If that is the case, then that is fairly normal for newer shooters. A good tip is to practice your "Look Points" meaning where you hold your eyes as you call for the clay. We typically recommend not looking at the trap thrower as you call for the bird because the clay will come out extremely quickly and make your brain think that it needs to give a lot of lead, but it reality it slows down quickly. If you establish your "Break Point" (where you want to break the clay), then your "Hold Point" (where you hold your gun), then your "Look Point" should be about half way between the trap thrower and the Hold Point. You'll pick up motion of the clay in your peripheral vision, then once the clay crosses your Look Point you can focus on it and move with it to the break point. I think these two videos may be helpful for you:
1. How to Shoot Skeet: ua-cam.com/video/bi2h4ZpMih8/v-deo.html . This video uses effects to illustrate what I mentioned above.
2. The 4 Shooting Techniques: ua-cam.com/video/josMuJrogro/v-deo.html - This video may help as you begin to learn all the different techniques that shooters use.
I hope this helps, thanks again for watching. - Emily
@@Shotkam Nay, what I mean is: clays on the range are looking twice as fast than they really are. After the first couple hundred shots they start to slow down, i hope. ;-)
@@ralfbuschner6925 because you are starting to focus better by that point.
Was this a long distance sniper clays course, the clays seem so far out lol my local course is setting me up for failure if I travel
Each place is different just like golf. The harder courses will have further and trickier shots. There’s a range down in SW FL that had 2 launchers on lifts 50ft high launching them high, fast and away from the shooter for a tournament haha I’ve seen ones that skip them across water or off of hidden trampolines too. It gets pretty wacky
To hit a flying target you had better be perceiving it's speed as it actually is. The eyes of antelope and horse=flies and men are different.
So this is what Gucci mane is talking about
Leading is aiming
Ciao scusate ma perché tutto scritto in Inglese e non in Italiano? Saluti grazie
Mean video .what country are you in? Noticed a lot of chem trails
this is mostly sustained lead with some swing through - not the best.
It’s not about it being good, it’s showing the concept of how you shoot, when, and where.
Not so much how, but what it looks like. Great video, just no instruction provided.
I went clay shooting and I did a buck buck buck buck buck buck PAKOW! and blew em all down
I have got it it sorted now....I use a jet pack and chase the clay then wack it with a bloody big hammer.....no?
The only thing I learned was the guy can break clays, but I still have no clue on how far to lead any given target due to the distances clays are flying, What's the formula for leading? is it just feel and a ton of shooting?
Its why I gave Up sporting clays, I am left eye dominate and shot right-handed ( never shot shotguns growing up just rifles and pistols )
The Shooting coach told me I needed to bend the stock left-handed on my Browning 20g 32" Citori, so I did and I switched to left shoulder, still sucked and made NO Difference, so I sold the damn gun at a loss and bought a new set of golf clubs as I am a WAY better golfer than a sporting clays shooter....LOL Shooting 50% wasn't good enough for me .
@@joecostner1246 Even after spending big bucks to bend my stock to left shoulder I still sucked at Sporting clays ....LOL
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Only watched 20 seconds and all-ready fed up - You can chuck a barn door in the air and I'd miss it.
First
So what??? Why not add something constructive??
Tom Lagatol to be the first is constructive....
No it’s not...It’s childish, immature and no more.
Back under the bridge troll.......
Bribe someone to stick some C4 and a timer on the clay then shoot when it explodes....no?
Far too slow in taking some of those shots
Pretty easy when you have a 1,000 dollar video scope
700