I am introducing my 6 grandsons to skeet. We're American so I tell them the follow-thru is like swinging a baseball bat, you don't stop the swing when batting. This is a great video! For anyone who can please take the young ones out to the field and/or the range to keep our traditions alive.
My father and grandfather always taught me to get ahead of the target by one shotgun length when shooting ducks and that piece of advice has never failed.
My sustained lead method is to just keep the barrel ahead of the target while mounting and as soon as the gun touches the shoulder and the cheek touches the stock(same time), shoot. and don't look at the barrel or sight but focus only on the leading edge of the target and let your peripheral vision handle the rest. I never calculate how many feet lead I need at any speed or angle. But that works for me.
I've watched quite a few videos on this question, and mostly what I see is a lot of talk, and they don't really explain well. Your video was simple, and to the point. I learned what I wanted to know. Thank you for a great, and informative video, sir.
I recently purchased a shotgun, and I am learning that it is a challenge to shoot a moving clay target. I'm pleased and a little surprised Australians are still able to participate in shooting sport, after your government's infamous gun grab. Anyway I will apply what I learn here. Thank you!
Well done, enjoyed it. My sport was Running Game Target (Running Boar). Similar lead is required for shotgun shooting. Game of course varies in speed and distance. Lead and follow through are critically important.
great video... I have trouble remembering to follow through... coming from a rifle background. This really helped show the importance of the follow through. Thanks.
I consider myself a pretty good shot. Issued my 410 and 22 at birth from the state of West Virginia. Never been so humbled than the first time I tried shooting clay. .
Why the emphasis on follow through? once the shot has left the barrel, does it really matter what you do after the shot is fired? does anyone have an explanation for the importance of follow through? - Thanks for the video on different ways of leading the target, great info.
nicerperson , the importance of the follow through is to make the shot pattern fly the same way the target is flying, did the target stop? No, either should you gun, it also has to deal with how much of a lead you are giving, if you stop your swing with gun, you lost your lead
If you don't follow through as a matter of practice, your tendency is to stop the gun at the moment you pull the trigger. Unfortunately, the shot does not leave the barrel at the exact moment your finger moves on the trigger. While everything happens really quickly, the process still involves a falling hammer, the firing pin striking the primer, primer ignites the powder, pressure forces the shot from the barrel. I know it happens extremely quickly. But if you quit on the shot when your brain tells your finger to pull the trigger, it can absolutely lead to a miss. I know people who claim to practice staying in the gun for a full 3 seconds after the shot is fired to avoid the tendency to quit on the shot prematurely.
nicerperson I believe the follow through is used if you miss on the first shot? The idea is to keep the gun moving,so you dont stop and then have to catch up to the clay? Happy to be corrected if wrong. Cheers!
Good instructional video and not so lengthy. Thk u. My question, when you are swinging your shotgun to match the speed then get the lead, are you looking down tbe barrel at the sight? Or just looking at the clay pigeon? Seems to me, i want to watch my sight as i swing past the target, establish the lead, then squeeze the trigger?
Except here in American we use a Vepr AK shotgun with a 30 round drum and just shoot like crazy at the clay. I kid though.... I just use a single shot 12 ga and have a good time.
When i went Skeet Shooting it was hard as hell....looks easy but at first it felt weird shooting at blank space infront of the target because we have habit aiming directly at target
Well. I identified my problem immediately watching this video. It wasn't the lead. It was the drop ! I have been aiming high and in front, essentially shooting too high anticipating gravity to have more impact on the shot. Not so !
We are using open chokes because of the close range targets. Most use Skeet and Skeet but I like a little more choke so tend to use improved cylinder and quarter...this rreally breaks them well and gives confidence on the crossing targets from the middle stations. Nothing more enjoyable than really smoking the clays?!
You can shoot that way but two eyes open is better if you can teach yourself to do that. Just gives a better view of what is going on in the shooting process.
Krieghoff K80 as part of reviewing that splendid gun. Normally use a Beretta DT 10L with left-handed stock and 32" barrels. The K80 also sports 32" barrels
Thanks for your question Peter. Some people say they can see the shot under certain light conditions, but this is often only when looking over a mate’s shoulder or only as a flash of light if you’re looking up into a cloud bank on a sunny day. It’s better seen with plated shot and less so with standard lead shot. There are shells that incorporate some sort of tracer material. Winchester’s AA Traacker load incorporates a black or orange wad for either bright or overcast conditions that is designed to spread the petals and spin like a rifle bullet when it separates from the shot it is delivering and so it follows the shot line very accurately due to retaining some of the shot and therefore being heavier than a normal wad. This provides a fairly accurate idea of where your shot is in relation to the target, at least at normal clay target-type ranges. These are available at most good gunshops and online gun supplies shops.
Use lighter recoiling shells, add weight to the gun, put on a more recoil absorbing recoil pad, get your gun back-bored and relieve the forcing cones. You could also port the barrels.....phew...and have a look at how well your gun fits you as a well fitting gun recoils a lot less than one that doesn't.
Why is it so important to follow through once you have pulled the trigger? surely once you've pulled the trigger the shot leaves the gun almost instantly so what difference does it make if the gun is still moving once the shot is already on the way to the target?
Mainly because you stop a lot sooner than you think you do, if you're not following through, you actually start to slow down or stop when you first think about pulling the trigger, the few tenths of a second between then and when they shot clears the end of the barrel can make all the difference.
I think it's less the effect that moving the gun has on the target and more the fact that if you follow through you'll make sure that you don't stop prematurely and end up shooting behind the target. If you follow through with the motion then you'll make sure that your gun is in the right position when you pull the trigger. Following through provides consistency for your aim. (I'm not an expert so don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works)
Tasseography Leaves ear clothes that the butt of the gun won’t catch on. Make sure when you mount the gun you can line up both beads and see a tiny bit of the rib and when you shoot the gun the clay should be a tiny bit above the barrel. Keep practicing bringing the gun up, but it only works if the gun fits.
Practice Practice Practice.............do it regularly at home and track along the ceiling cornice or up the wall corner. Mounting in front of a mirror is also good with your eyes closed...then open them and see what your alignment is and if you are looking along the rib and mounting the gun upright. I tend to cant a bit but that can be fixed with gun fit.
Mate, forgot about the distance to the target and the shot diameter.That said, most shooters have problems with 1. Mount and 2. Balance.....Without proper mount and balance, the lead is just a Blue Peter Show.Have a nice day, mate~!
What i don't know is how much the clay will travel before the charge gets there. In other words, I don't know the how far to lead the c. pigeon. In trap, I suppose a Target travelling sideways might travel about a foot before the shot would reach it - less lateral travel if it is moving away (but farther away). ...Maybe I need some stationary target practice to learn more but you don't know which side you've missed the target on. ... It doesn't help that the local range requires single-shot loading only when my TriStar semi is hard to load. (A very stiff release button). Thanks anyone out there.
The techniques are correct, but this isn't a very good representation of the correct sight picture. I think some illustrations that show the correct sight picture, as well as instructions on how far to lead your target at different distances, along with this video would be much more beneficial to those who are new to this sport.
Thanks Collin...perhaps try watching again and particularly the slow motion shots. It's hard to get good footage of the longer crossing targets that's why we chose the closer incomer that takes longer to come to the shooter. The downside is that it needs less lead with any of the methods but your point is well taken.
A Texan here. Ive hunted all my life. This is a great video. I learned a lot. Cheers.
I am introducing my 6 grandsons to skeet. We're American so I tell them the follow-thru is like swinging a baseball bat, you don't stop the swing when batting. This is a great video!
For anyone who can please take the young ones out to the field and/or the range to keep our traditions alive.
What a nice gentle way to educate the beginners.Thanks
It’s so hard to get a shotgun in the UK Iv got the forms and shot but because of corrona nan
gotta love the two roos fighting in the background
My father and grandfather always taught me to get ahead of the target by one shotgun length when shooting ducks and that piece of advice has never failed.
The range of the ducks being highly variable, this would have to be an elastic gun length.
At that distance the lead shots may cool down
Excellent demo on leads. I must look at this video every other week. Thanks for sharing.
Looked at it again. Just saying...
Paul's shotgun is absolutely beautiful. Nice video.
It takes me about three beers to get the right amount of lead.
Great vid!
My sustained lead method is to just keep the barrel ahead of the target while mounting and as soon as the gun touches the shoulder and the cheek touches the stock(same time), shoot. and don't look at the barrel or sight but focus only on the leading edge of the target and let your peripheral vision handle the rest. I never calculate how many feet lead I need at any speed or angle. But that works for me.
Awesome thanks! This year I’m going to be joining my high school trap team this year and this was some great advice!
High School Trap Team?! You ain't from 'merica, are you? The Liberals would have a hussy fit if they tried that here in the USA.
I've watched quite a few videos on this question, and mostly what I see is a lot of talk, and they don't really explain well. Your video was simple, and to the point. I learned what I wanted to know. Thank you for a great, and informative video, sir.
American Patriot here. Enjoyed your video. Thanks and g'day mate !!!
I recently purchased a shotgun, and I am learning that it is a challenge to shoot a moving clay target. I'm pleased and a little surprised Australians are still able to participate in shooting sport, after your government's infamous gun grab. Anyway I will apply what I learn here. Thank you!
Outstanding tutorial. Thank you for sharing!
Rod pasco was my sound teacher at film school many years ago, lovely bloke
Guys thank you so very much! I went from two birds last year per trip to limiting out this year!
Let's have a look at that...
Great instruction, thank you.
I am glad I had a look at this.
Great video and tips hello from North Carolina
Same
Well done, enjoyed it. My sport was Running Game Target (Running Boar). Similar lead is required for shotgun shooting. Game of course varies in speed and distance. Lead and follow through are critically important.
Great video and illustration. "lets have a look at that"
great video... I have trouble remembering to follow through... coming from a rifle background. This really helped show the importance of the follow through. Thanks.
Very good video mate. great explanation of target acquisition. execution and registration with a follow through like an aussie
Loved the video and great tips to help me at skeet shooting in the near future. Thank You very much
Jerry Johnson II.410? Why handicap yourself like that lol. 12 gauge
I'm going skeet shooting tomorrow, last time I was lost. I think I'll do better after watching this. Thank you!
Very short and clear video, thank you very much!
PS its cool when u showed from the shooter eye
This was helpful! I only shoot my shotgun once a year, but I can't wait to try this the next time we are tossing clays.
Why only once a year ?
Good ole Australia - sound sensible advice. I'm in GB and this will really help me to shoot clays better. Cheers Chaps !
I consider myself a pretty good shot. Issued my 410 and 22 at birth from the state of West Virginia. Never been so humbled than the first time I tried shooting clay. .
Brian J WEST VIRGINIA HELL YEAH
Great tips with slowmo, thanks for explanations
Why the emphasis on follow through? once the shot has left the barrel, does it really matter what you do after the shot is fired? does anyone have an explanation for the importance of follow through? - Thanks for the video on different ways of leading the target, great info.
nicerperson when you continue to follow it breaks the habit of stop and shoot causing shoot behind misses
nicerperson , the importance of the follow through is to make the shot pattern fly the same way the target is flying, did the target stop? No, either should you gun, it also has to deal with how much of a lead you are giving, if you stop your swing with gun, you lost your lead
if you dont follow through you have a tendency to stop your swing as you pull the trigger, leading to a miss behind the bird.
If you don't follow through as a matter of practice, your tendency is to stop the gun at the moment you pull the trigger. Unfortunately, the shot does not leave the barrel at the exact moment your finger moves on the trigger. While everything happens really quickly, the process still involves a falling hammer, the firing pin striking the primer, primer ignites the powder, pressure forces the shot from the barrel. I know it happens extremely quickly. But if you quit on the shot when your brain tells your finger to pull the trigger, it can absolutely lead to a miss. I know people who claim to practice staying in the gun for a full 3 seconds after the shot is fired to avoid the tendency to quit on the shot prematurely.
nicerperson I believe the follow through is used if you miss on the first shot? The idea is to keep the gun moving,so you dont stop and then have to catch up to the clay? Happy to be corrected if wrong. Cheers!
thank you so much. I have always loved to learn this
Great stuff boys. I'll be thinking of this on the range tomorrow. Nice one!
That was really helpful I shoot skeet always seem to get some but not others I think this will help a lot.thanks.
Good instructional video and not so lengthy. Thk u. My question, when you are swinging your shotgun to match the speed then get the lead, are you looking down tbe barrel at the sight? Or just looking at the clay pigeon?
Seems to me, i want to watch my sight as i swing past the target, establish the lead, then squeeze the trigger?
Great video. Concise and effective.
Thanks I'm American but love your vids. New at skeet.. Gaday mate..
Except here in American we use a Vepr AK shotgun with a 30 round drum and just shoot like crazy at the clay.
I kid though.... I just use a single shot 12 ga and have a good time.
Ha yes
rudder727 nice to hear you like VEPR's. Its one of the most popular guns here in Greece together with Saigas.
its gday lol
Absolutely the best presentation!
Excellent video & explanation!
Stupid question: should you look along the rib (just one bead seen) or should you tilt the gun so that beads are (about) on to of each other?
This was an awesome video!! Thank you so much for making this
When i went Skeet Shooting it was hard as hell....looks easy but at first it felt weird shooting at blank space infront of the target because we have habit aiming directly at target
Great tip. Keep them coming.
What kind of camera was the shooter using?? Would like to buy one.
Calculating lead is subconscious. All you have to do is see the bird.
That really helps me a lot thanks for the video I will support this video
Well. I identified my problem immediately watching this video. It wasn't the lead. It was the drop ! I have been aiming high and in front, essentially shooting too high anticipating gravity to have more impact on the shot. Not so !
mark r Scranton Pennsylvania usa thx so much been shooting 4 yrs took crossing crows at 100yds no4 shot 4 ft over and 9 yds lead
Great video and instructor!
Main question. What kind of choke are you guys using and what kind of shell for this sport ?
Thanks , great vid and explanation!
Skeet or Improved Cylinder more than likely !!!!
We are using open chokes because of the close range targets. Most use Skeet and Skeet but I like a little more choke so tend to use improved cylinder and quarter...this rreally breaks them well and gives confidence on the crossing targets from the middle stations. Nothing more enjoyable than really smoking the clays?!
Thanks for the tips keep up the good work.
What gun did the shooter at 1:42 have?
Rottweil Skeet Olympia 72 maybe? Ik it’s been three years but here ya go
Excellent video
Thanks I always wondered how to figure out how to lead a target.
Do you close one eye when shooting
No.
You can shoot that way but two eyes open is better if you can teach yourself to do that. Just gives a better view of what is going on in the shooting process.
Is there a reason why they use only the over under shotgun for shooting plates
What is Paul shooting with?
I just naturally(never taught) use the always lead method I feel it gives me longer to adjust how far in front I am
great instructional video with plenty of deatail. thanks for posting....Bill
I need help.. One week I hit 10 clays.. 6 another.. but this week 3.. I alternate my lead.. but nothing works.. I don't know what I'm doing wrong..
thanks for this advice it will help me because i just started
Great Video, thanks for the info
Thanks for this great advice
Great video, just starting with a shoty. Great to see it in slow motion for clear instruction. Hope to be ok, mainly for feild work with foxes
Will an 18 inch barrel work with this?
Sir, what shotgun brand are you using..?
Magnificum Imperium looks like beretta. Like a 686
Krieghoff K80 as part of reviewing that splendid gun. Normally use a Beretta DT 10L with left-handed stock and 32" barrels. The K80 also sports 32" barrels
Why do you need to follow through?
That was very informative.
great video
THANK YOU MATE IT WAS VERY HELP FULL
some people can see the shot, i can not. Is there any 12 gauge cartridges that show the line ( not a tracer but similar?) If not, why not?
Thanks for your question Peter. Some people say they can see the shot under certain light conditions, but this is often only when looking over a mate’s shoulder or only as a flash of light if you’re looking up into a cloud bank on a sunny day. It’s better seen with plated shot and less so with standard lead shot. There are shells that incorporate some sort of tracer material. Winchester’s AA Traacker load incorporates a black or orange wad for either bright or overcast conditions that is designed to spread the petals and spin like a rifle bullet when it separates from the shot it is delivering and so it follows the shot line very accurately due to retaining some of the shot and therefore being heavier than a normal wad. This provides a fairly accurate idea of where your shot is in relation to the target, at least at normal clay target-type ranges. These are available at most good gunshops and online gun supplies shops.
I use 12 ga and there is more of a kick to it, is there anyway to control it?
Alex Peterson smaller size shot, i use size 7-8 for clay targets
Lean more forward
Use lighter recoiling shells, add weight to the gun, put on a more recoil absorbing recoil pad, get your gun back-bored and relieve the forcing cones. You could also port the barrels.....phew...and have a look at how well your gun fits you as a well fitting gun recoils a lot less than one that doesn't.
Why is it so important to follow through once you have pulled the trigger? surely once you've pulled the trigger the shot leaves the gun almost instantly so what difference does it make if the gun is still moving once the shot is already on the way to the target?
Mainly because you stop a lot sooner than you think you do, if you're not following through, you actually start to slow down or stop when you first think about pulling the trigger, the few tenths of a second between then and when they shot clears the end of the barrel can make all the difference.
I think it's less the effect that moving the gun has on the target and more the fact that if you follow through you'll make sure that you don't stop prematurely and end up shooting behind the target. If you follow through with the motion then you'll make sure that your gun is in the right position when you pull the trigger. Following through provides consistency for your aim. (I'm not an expert so don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works)
Colin the two replies you have had answer your question perfectly. Well done and thanks guys!
I literally suck every 3gun event when there is clay poppers or clay throwers in the stage
Literally? That sounds very strange.
what kind of camera was this?
The camera is a GoPro mounted on a helmet just above the shooter’s eyeline.
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Sounds stupid but how do you get your shot gun upto your shoulder & in place that fast that's what I'm too slow at
Tasseography Leaves ear clothes that the butt of the gun won’t catch on. Make sure when you mount the gun you can line up both beads and see a tiny bit of the rib and when you shoot the gun the clay should be a tiny bit above the barrel. Keep practicing bringing the gun up, but it only works if the gun fits.
Practice.
Practice Practice Practice.............do it regularly at home and track along the ceiling cornice or up the wall corner. Mounting in front of a mirror is also good with your eyes closed...then open them and see what your alignment is and if you are looking along the rib and mounting the gun upright. I tend to cant a bit but that can be fixed with gun fit.
Awesome video thank you!
Great instruction! Thanks!
Great video learned what I'm not doing right.
very helpful info
Very helpful thank you
Mate, forgot about the distance to the target and the shot diameter.That said, most shooters have problems with 1. Mount and 2. Balance.....Without proper mount and balance, the lead is just a Blue Peter Show.Have a nice day, mate~!
Nice gun
1:20 man that guys glasses are crooked and its bugging the shit out of me
The three examples look equal to me. Can't get the difference
Thanks for sharing!
So, since this was filmed in upside down world, do I do the opposite?
But your not saying how much lead.
Like taking a photo of a person on a bike. Follow through ;)
Very informative
Outstanding> Thank you very much
Clara Harmon
Been doing everything except follow thru. Been missing too!
Who stole the bottom of his glasses?
Very informative, thank you.
great vid, i learned alot, thanks mate
Why is the follow through so important and what does it accomplish?
What i don't know is how much the clay will travel before the charge gets there. In other words, I don't know the how far to lead the c. pigeon. In trap, I suppose a Target travelling sideways might travel about a foot before the shot would reach it - less lateral travel if it is moving away (but farther away). ...Maybe I need some stationary target practice to learn more but you don't know which side you've missed the target on. ...
It doesn't help that the local range requires single-shot loading only when my TriStar semi is hard to load. (A very stiff release button). Thanks anyone out there.
I can’t believe the gunshots didn’t scare away kangaroos...
The techniques are correct, but this isn't a very good representation of the correct sight picture. I think some illustrations that show the correct sight picture, as well as instructions on how far to lead your target at different distances, along with this video would be much more beneficial to those who are new to this sport.
Thanks Collin...perhaps try watching again and particularly the slow motion shots. It's hard to get good footage of the longer crossing targets that's why we chose the closer incomer that takes longer to come to the shooter. The downside is that it needs less lead with any of the methods but your point is well taken.
Thks for sharing!