BANDS WHOSE DEBUTS ARE (ARGUABLY) THEIR BEST ALBUM PT. 2: THE SUBSCRIBER PICKS!
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
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A sequel was in order for this one and we did our best to cover all of your picks (sorry if we missed any) and discuss whether these debut albums were the best these bands had to offer in our opinion! Thanks for all of your submissions, everyone!
thrallsofmetal...
The Pantera one was a joke LOL!
I can't believe it made it into the video 😂
Necrotic Nick- We weren't sure because we've had quite a few "Glam-tera" fanboys defend that era after we ranked Pantera.
Noted down some album names I should check out from this video. Listened to Erosion of Sanity today and wow. It’s like a great suffocation album with leprosy-ish vocals. This is why I love this channel 🤘
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, Erosion of Sanity is a banger!
I wasn't a Gorgoroth fan UNTIL I heard Pentagram. Their first three albums are great, but Pentagram is perfection.
Necrotic Nick- I may revisit them at some point. I had a bunch of tracks by them on a ton of samplers and comps but it never clicked with me.
@@thrallsofmetal I was introduced to Gorgoroth during the Gaahl era, and wasn’t impressed. But the early material with Hat and Pest on vocals is classic Norwegian black metal.
@@matternicussI very much agree, however Under the Sign of Hell is still the best one, to me, and Pentagram simply being fucking awesome black metal!
Thanks guys for the shout out.. 🤘 With the Nasum debut. And yeah it sounds cool if you will do a Nasum ranking.
Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪 🤘
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Not a problem, man! Man, Nasum is a tough call and I think to make a definitive decision we need to do a video on them.
This was really fun you guys I hope you guys have a good day🤘
I’m kinda surprised you don’t like early Gorgoroth at least. Before Ghaal. The first three albums are mostly pretty killer. Don’t listen to the re-recording of Under the Sign of Hell though. That blows.
Pentagram is the best black metal album of all time.
One of my favorite debute albums is Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments. That band has a lot of bangers, but that one will remain their best in my opinion.
Necrotic Nick- That album flat out rules but I'd argue Retribution is pretty close to being just as good. It's a tough call there though.
It's solid, but they get better on Retribution and the albums after.
I almost crashed my car laughing at the 47 abs comment.
Thanks you, Nick.
Also, as an album pick, I gotta go with Solstice- Pray for the Sentencing. I may or may not be a Rob Barrett fanboy.
No worries boys I completely understand and being a fan and friend of theirs since 2010 it's cool to agree to disagree. 🤘
Suffocation no, GnR yes, Venom yes, Down yes, Testament no
Necrotic Nick- Oh, there's a ton on here for you to weigh in on. I think we covered over 100 albums when it was all said and done.
Suffocation YES!
Effigy is my favorite Suffo album but I understand if people pick others like Pierced or Breeding. The first 3 are classics and the rest are great. Top tier band overall and one of my favorites.
@@thrallsofmetal I wish I had a list of all the albums lol. I wonder if I could get through them all before double j Jammin Jon 😂
This was a fun time, great video. But I have to get this one off my chest: If you like Mike Patton and you're able to deal with Fantomas, I beg you to check out The Director's Cut, because that one is clearly Fantomas' magnum opus. First album is good, but The Director's Cut is really a masterpiece that transcends all genres.
Cool video, realy like thise long discutions vids, keep em coming 🐐🐐🐐
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man!
Sinister - cross the Styx
Never got into these guys much. Tried quite a few times...but their debut is a top 10 death metal album for me. Don't know if I'm being sentimental or what. I have a tendency to do that. This album is fucking brutal!!! I think it's their best. You guys fucking keep on rockin' and rollin', cheers 🍻 Nick, Jon
First 3 sinister are classic albums. Only real ones know
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! That's a tough one because I also love Diabolical Summoning a lot too. I love a lot of their earlier stuff and their last few have bee solid too. The middle period with Rachel on vocals was a bit so so but for the most part I enjoy their discography.
I thought I had controversial opinions, but taking Styx over Diabolical is some spicy chai!
@@FaerieGoatmother LOL my friends tell me this all the time! My favorite Megadeth is So far, so good…favorite Anthrax is State of Euphoria, favorite thrashers are Nuclear Assault. My favorite death metal is actually Brutality from Fla. Taste is a funny thing. I still can’t stand Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins or Pearl Jam though the masses have made them famous. Love me some Soundgarden though. Thanks for the comment. You made my day!
@rememberbeginning once my friend asks me, "You're not one of those elitist snobs who thinks Sound of White Noise isn't real Anthrax, are you?"
I was like, "People bother with Anthrax besides Sound of White Noise?"
I personally prefer lo fi BM to ear blistering death metal, but Sinister ages really well. I keep checking back in and there's not a bad album yet. And Screams of Anguish is still barely getting its due, total agreement on that act.
That’s fair on Cathedral. I thought at least you might appreciate Lee’s vocals on that since it’s different from how he usually sings. Choosing between that and a couple other albums to be mentioned was painful.
At The Gates - The Red in The Sky Is Ours, I thought at least someone would’ve mentioned this one.
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus, this one was criminal for not being mentioned.
Uriah Heep - Very ‘Eavy… Very ‘Umble, mandatory mention for pioneer status.
Type O Negative - Slow, Deep, and Hard,
Didn’t see anyone mention this.
X JAPAN - Vanishing Vision, This one definitely has to be mentioned, and I doubt many would. Just intense Japanese Power Metal.
That First Manowar Album’s genuinely good.
Welcome to hell is up there as Venom’s Best. I also lean more to At War With Satan and Even Cast In Stone. Jon should definitely check those out.
For Jon, if he ever gets around to Cathedral, the first 3 are good to start. But considering he’s a big Prog guy if I remember right, I think he’d be into The Garden of Unearthly Delights and The Guessing Game. The former is Celtic Frost Heavy with Prog elements, with a 20+ min epic, and the latter is doom metal Frank Zappa and Genesis.
And Nick, since you love that Ahab Record, I recommend the following for Funeral Doom:
Thergothon - Stream From The Heavens, the production may make or break the album since it’s so jarring for its genre compared to other bands, but I love it. It’s also one of the first in its style, and along with the production, it has the unique distinction of being one of the shortest funeral doom albums ever (around 40 min.)
Funeral - Tragedies, You’ll love this if you liked My Dying Bride’s Debut.
Bell Witch - Longing, you don’t have to worry about waiting for an hour of 1 Song for it to get somewhere since it’s not one song long ass song.
Esoteric - Epistemological Despondency, this ones a lengthy listen; a double album. But worth listening to how the band incorporates different sounds and effects, plus killer solos. Plus the death metal breaks in between the long songs on both disc.
Evoken - Embracing the Emptiness, basically the precursor to Ahab in terms of style, with more death doom elements.
Skepticism - Companion, this is the latest album from them, and probably the one I’d recommend that’s more in line with their other albums in this list, but they involve a lot of Organs in their music.
Ulver - Bergtatt (don't know why I didn't think of that straight away!)
Resurrection - Embalmed Existence (classic Florida DM, released in 1993 on Nuclear Blast - for those who don't know this: Get It!)
Thanks for responding to my SUFFOCATION pick. I do often flip between Effigy and Pierced, but I do still lean more to Pierced From Within. I should've just picked that one instead. Oh well.
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Not a problem, man! Effigy and Pierced are like 1A and 1B for me. They're both amazing but I just dig Pieced a little bit more.
I wish Breeding got as much love as those albums cause it's a classic as well. If only it had better production, it would!
Totally agree with Ahab. Call of the Wretched Sea was fantastic and I don't think they made anything quite as good since. The pacific is probably my favorite doom metal song ever. The Divinity of Oceans, and The Boats of the Glen Carrig were both great, but I personally don't think they matched what came before.
Also on The Sword, because I am a huge The Sword fan, I think the best album is Gods of the Earth.
You both did a great job here, this was fun to watch and there were a bunch of records i haven't heard yet. I'll check some of 'em out for sure! 🙂
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I think we all learned about some bands with this one honestly.
Mörk Gryning - Tusen År Har Gått... (1995 - one of the albums that got me into melodic yet fierce black metal. Borrowed it from a school buddy, bought it a little while later. Absolutely majestic, dark, and aggressive atmosphere!)
Dudes, thank you so much for giving MA's Covenant the love it deserves. It's miles better than Altars of Madness in my opinion. Hell, I'd even pick Blessed are the Sick over AoM as well.
Also, my favorite album by The Sword is Warp Riders. Everything about it, even down to the science fiction concept is fascinating to me.
The riffs on that album are amazing!
Necrotic Nick- Picking a favorite between those first 3 albums from The Sword is like pulling teeth. They're all riffy perfection in my mind and I loved the Sci-Fi shift on Warp Riders personally. I'm more of a Sci-Fi guy than a fantasy guy honestly.
@@thrallsofmetal Exactly, sci-fi all the way. And honestly, man, Apocryphon is actually a killer album too. Dying Earth, Veil of Isis, Arcane Montane..the whole thing is a banger.
Love Warp Riders. One of my favorite albums ever. Apocryphon was also great. Really a shame that I haven’t liked much after that. The first four albums are amazing.
You guys should do a video on band called Desaster. One of the most underrated bands ever! Also, another band called Ningen Isu (you guys are going to have a blast with this band's legendary huge consistently perfect discography). Same for band called Sabbat (Japan) and another band called Gargoyle. Speaking of Japan, you guys don't really do much of anything on Japanese bands. I'm Surprise SIGH wasn't in this video. You included them in one video of yours from what I remember. I would personally would also like to see you guys do a video on Dir En Grey, a somewhat metal band but they are freaking awesome!
Another great debut Album... Forbidden... Forbidden Evil!!🤘🤘🤘
Hail Thralls of Metal dudes! I love your channel! Even though I disagree with some of your verdicts on this one, I really enjoy and appreciate all your videos and tune in often. Keep up the great work! Hails from Denver, CO!
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Thanks, man! If we all agreed on everything I don't the discussions would be as much fun. Glad you're diggin' the content, man!
Ahab is just a sonic experience that one should not deny oneself.
Necrotic Nick- They were amazing at MDF this year. Soul crushing doooooooom!
How did I miss this? Damn...I wish I would've added my two cents earlier but I will go ahead and say:
-Godflesh Streetcleaner
-Candlemass Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
-Terrorizer World Downfall
-Flotsam and Jetsam Doomsday for the Deceiver
-Nocturnus The Key
-Metallica Kill 'Em All
Exodus Bonded by blood and Possessed Seven churches are 2 examples for me.
Imo, Exodus got far better post reunion.
Especially Seven Churches! One of those albums I can put on repeat all day long. Absolute classic!
@@alkebulanshujaaogun5152 Beyond the Gates is much Heavier, and the songs are not as amateur sounding
@@alkebulanshujaaogun5152 The only reason why Beyond the Gates is dismissed is the weak production. Otherwise it would definitely be ranked much higher than 7 Churches, and certainly blew away Scream Bloody Gore ( but what didn't? )
@@blacknessfallsmusic969 Bonded By Blood would have been better with Steve Souza. Every Vocal on Piranha is off key
Great pick with Erosion of Sanity from Gorguts, Nick! When I met Luc I told him how much I love it and bought the shirt. Amazing album overall.
Also yeah, Epidemic of Violence is my favorite DH album. Pyroclastic Annihilation is one of my favorite songs ever.
Necrotic Nick- I love that album and it works as such a cool transitional album in terms of them moving from OSDM to more technical/ progressive death metal. Luc is such a nice dude. We ran into him at MDF and he was awesome.
@@thrallsofmetal Erosion for old Gorguts and Colored Sands for new Gorguts so I agree with both of you haha
I saw Down play NOLA in its entirety at Psycho Las Vegas 2021. Classic album for sure. ⚜️
Necrotic Nick- I only got to see Down once at Ozzfest 2002 and they sounded amazing.
I think every set they have ever played is at least 93% NOLA lol
That sounds awesome
Saw Down at Ozzfest 02 and saw them in 09 on a solo tour. "A Night With Down" just 3 full hours of Down. It was literally something so incredible I cannot put into words. It was like a life changing spiritual experience. First 30 minutes was old clips of 70s metal bands like sabbath, Zeppelin, deep purple, etc projected on a huge stage screen. And then Down played for the next 2.5 hours. They threw in a cover of when the levee breaks, played a alternate version of jail Phil's vocal was beautiful! And they closed with Bury me in Smoke merged into Walk Away.
The venue was The Rave Eagles Ballroom in Milwaukee. So the place isn't that big and was packed to the gills and every human there was so cool and just 100% into the show. It was killer man. Best show experience I've ever had.
I saw them once back in 2011. They were great.good crowd. The opening bands not so much.
Oh man, I'm surprised Jon has never heard that Nuclear Assault album, that's like one of the most influential thrash albums to ever come out of New York lol
Necrotic Nick- I think he dipped out of thrash for death metal a bit too soon and he ended up missing out on a lot of classic stuff.
@@thrallsofmetal never too late to come back 🤘
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
You're not stupid, you're selective! ✌
Hell yeah, both agrees. Thanks for making this video!
Just to clarify, the name is HAKI guy (pronounced like hockey), not haiku 🤣🤣 but here’s one anyway just for you guys:
I love this channel
Thralls of Metal is the shit
Thanks for all you do!
Necrotic Nick- Shit. I didn't notice since Jon was reading the comments lol. Our bad. Dude, thank you not only for the praise but also the awesome haiku, man! That's amazing!
Laughing my arse off here! Super entertaining vid. I’m sort of with Jon in that there’s a lot I’ve not heard. One of the reasons I love your channel and others like it, seeing lots of bands to check out.
Looking through my own collection, I’m struggling to see that many where the debut is the best.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, we had a lot of fun with this one despite Jon feeling like he needs to play musical catch up lol. Either way, stuff like this give people a lot of stuff to check out that they've possibly missed here which I think is awesome.
Gorguts considered dead is the best gorguts in my opinion for a debut erosion of sanity is great but that debut is flawless
I'm not huge on Linkin Park or anything but I would take Hybrid Theory over The Black album any day.
Metal Church, Exodus, Death Angel, Suicidal Tendencies, Hirax, The Exploited, Discharge, Sarcofago.
Raise Hell - Holy Target, black/thrash - I highly recommend giving it a listen to anyone out there who havn't heard it yet! (I was going to make a "Holy Shit"-joke, but then saw on MA there is actually a band called just that...)
Of course... Possessed... Seven Churches 🤘🤘🤘🤘
Devin Townsend - Terria for me and Nasum - Helvete.
Off-topic weirdo comment: I personally enjoy videos like these where Nick isn't wearing sunglasses more than when he's wearing them.
Necrotic Nick- It's hard to pick a favorite with both. I'm such a huge fan of Ziltoid. It's goofy but endearing to me. Yeah, I generally wear the sunglasses if the light is bothering me (bit of photosensitivity) or if my eyes are looking haggard from a lack of sleep.
@@thrallsofmetal no problem, do what you have to. I just feel more of a connection when I can see your lovely teddybear eyes. 😛😉
Y know what? 6FU’s haunted. I don’t know why, it’s just my favorite.
Necrotic Nick- It's alright. I'll give it that but in comparison to what I've heard I'd say it's probably the best.
This wad a fun video and its always entertaining to debate on which album is a band's very best. I think a cool follow up would be bands whose 2nd album is their best. Ive got a few pics at the top of my head that i could mention.
Kreator 🤘
@@BATS33Please to Kill was pretty sick, i have to agree with you on that one. I also think Ride the Lightning was Metallica's very best all well.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! It was a ton of fun to do and it was great to get some feedback from the fans. I have some ideas for other discussions I'm working on right now and I think we'll have some fun ones to go over in the future.
I’m a little late to the party but this was a great video.
I love seeing My Dying Bride mentioned!!!!! As The Flower Withers stands out in their discography for how raw and oppressive it feels compared to their trademark "drowning you in sorrow" sound. It definitely has more Death Metal with quicker paces like The Forever People and really brutal vocals. I looked past it for so long but damn do I love it now. I'd put Turn Loose The Swans at the top though.
Necrotic Nick- That debut is vicious as hell and I like how it still has that oppressive, doomy vibe to it as well. That album is essential deathdoom in my opinion as well as Paradise Lost's debut.
@@thrallsofmetal I prefer A Line of Deathless Kings just because I think it's their best album in that era where they use little to no violin. I'm not a fan of violins much lol
This was fun, but sooooo tough! I’m surprised Assassin’s Upcoming
Terror didn’t show up, but I like Interstellar Experience more anyways.
Ocean Machine hands down Devs best!
One that I think is true for me would be Death Leprosy. I think Death never did a bad album, but Leprosy has that rawness I have come to appreciate. Title track, Pull The Plug, Born Dead. Chuck was so good on ALL the albums, but the decider is how raw Leprosy is. Another lesser known album, THAT RULES, is the debut from Infectious Grooves The Plague that makes your Booty Move. The one-two punch of Punk it Up and Therapy (with Ozzy) is BADASS! I think we could also say that Dio Holy Diver is a great record and great debut for Dio's band. Something more pop driven like The Cars debut album, now that is my favorite of theirs. Morbid Angel goes between Altars and Covenant, but right now, Altars of Madness is my favorite for them.
I would say that MOST bands do better as they continue on. It is quite rare for me to like a band's debut over their later work. Queen had a great first record, and as good as that is, it is not as good as Sheer Heart Attack or A Day At The Races to me. Pink Floyd's early albums do not do it for me. Give me anything from Meddle through Momentary Lapse of Reason. Deep Purple is fucking awesome and yet, give me their later stuff. In Rock, Burn, Perfect Strangers are all better than the debut. My favorite Black Sabbath album is still Vol. 4. I do love The Mob Rules as well. The first two Sabbath albums are quite good, and yet, those songs have been played to death! Iron Maiden's first two albums are really good as well, but today, my favorite is either Powerslave or 7th Son. Bloodbath's Resurrection Through Carnage is balls out amazing and yet, I like Nightmares Made Flesh and The Fathomless Mastery more. My favorite Dying Fetus is their latest, Make Them Beg For Death. I don't like their early stuff, but from 2008 on, I LOVE IT! Opeth has many good albums, but I don't think Orchid was their best by any means. Nile's early albums never have agreed with me. In Their Darkened Shrine is good, but Annihilation of the Wicked is GREAT! And I love the last 20 years of stuff they have done.
This was a good topic and thanks for your thoughts \m/ \m/
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I'm glad you dug it. For me, Leprosy is truly the blueprint for death metal in general. I would say almost every trope of death metal that fans love steams from that album. I don't own any Infectious Grooves honestly. It's a band I've been meaning to jam a bit more but I was kinda turned off by the funk metal-ish turn that Suicidal Tendencies took around Art of War so I kinda skipped it. I would agree that most of the bands we go over seem to hit their stride a bit later in their career after they've got some albums under their belt but it's all subjective too so it really depends on the listener. We're definitely going to be doing more topical stuff in the future for sure though. These have been a lot of fun to do.
I like Nick looking up at that Testament album. I think if memory serves, he had that as his #1 in their discography, but I’m surprised to see it here. I can make an argument for multiple other albums from them as their #1. As did you guys on your rankings. The Gathering is mine. I think a better thrash pick would have been annihilator, which I myself forgot to mention.
Necrotic Nick- Actually it was Souls of Black that was my number 1 but I do love The Legacy. I love pretty much all of Testament's discography though.
@@thrallsofmetalit was John that had the Legacy. lol. I thought one of you guys had it. That’s why testament is so awesome. You can make a claim for an album from all 3 of their sound profiles. Probably the band with the most 4.75/5 star albums that I like.
@@thrallsofmetal i actually agree with you Nick as Souls of Black is my favourite. But thought my submission of The Legacy would be a good debate as many think it is their best. Including Jon at the time but thanks Jon for prouncing my name spot on!
For me it's Legacy on Monday but Gathering on Tuesday. Seen.them live few days ago, best/tightest live thrash band by far right now.
@@dinkokurtic2367 cant really go wrong with any, even their considered weaker albums (Practice What You Preach, Ritual, Demonic) all have their positives
Vio-Lence...Eternal Nightmare is clearly their best🤘🤘🤘
Speaking for my self Dark Thrones later albums is where it's at. F.O.A.D Darkthrones and Black Flags and Circle the Wagons are still on heavy rotation. Albums I always go back to. People need to check these albums out and bang there fucking heads. The riffs the vocals the album art work. Good list for sure right there and great points to why the debuts are the best. Oh and Drudkh's Eternal turn of the Wheel is gold!!!
Necrotic Nick- I was a bit thrown off by the crust era of Darkthrone when I first heard it but I do really enjoy Circle the Wagons still. It's a fun, dark, sleezy album full of "fuck you" punk spirit and I can get behind it. Eternal Turn of the Wheel is a pretty damn good. Hard to pick a legit favorite with Drudkh though. Very consistent band.
When it comes to Soulfly I easily prefer their later albums more, especially Ritual which is probably my favorite though I like everything from Dark Ages on when they put more thrash into their sound.
The Aura by Beyond Creation. Their other 2 albums are good too but this one is essential listening for anyone who's a fan of tech/prog death metal.
Necrotic Nick- I dig all of it and honestly Algorythm might be my favorite of the 3 at this point. I love that one.
I put on LD 50 the other day. I used to rock it non stop during and right after high school and my friends that don't even like metal couldn't help but love that record. After all the deathmetal and incredible bands that have come out, i was nervous about listening to it and was sure it would just sound like Mushroomhead or Papa Roach to me now. Alas, I was shocked at not only how great it sounded, but how many great songs there were. There are pretty much 0 skip tracks. Internal Primates and Nothing to Gain had me laughing they were so cool. I used to have this album memorized but because they packed so much awesome in one album, it made for a great re listen all these years later. Go back to LD 50. It had a cheesy rap or two but otherwise, it holds up pretty damn well.
I'm gonna hold you guys to that Deicide ranking! 😁🤘☠️🔥💯🎸🖤
Necrotic Nick- Miller got death metal in his hat drawing at the end of the Meshuggah Ranking so it might happen.
For me Pantera's first Album is Cowboys From Hell....
Necrotic Nick- I still dig Power Metal but I'm not a fan of the Terry Glaze years at all.
Leprous, Gojira, Tool, and Necrophagist imo. But I totally agree with your Cynic take
Necrotic Nick- I might agree with you on Leprous (there's some other contenders there) but the other ones I might be disagreeing with. Still, good picks and yeah as much as I love Focus I still think Traced in Air is the superior album.
I feel left out cause that first Gojira album is my favorite lol. I'm just more into the heavier stuff.
Vitek was 14 on Winds of Creation.
My favorite debut album is Sisters of Mercys First and Last Always album awesome Gothic rock debut.
Necrotic Nick- I gravitate more towards Floodland but that's what I heard first and what made me a fan.
Definitely vision thing for me. First... Is a bit too stark and basic, floodland a bit murky and loses focus in the instrumental tracks. Vision thing is super solid. They're all great though
Not a Mercyful Fate fan????
I love vocalists who don't follow the trends.
BTW Don't Break The Oath is top 10 Metal albums of all time for me.
Testament's best album is The Gathering. Souls of Black i could not stand I think it's their worst album. I think I played it once (Sorry Nick)
BTW The Cars first album is their best album.
So is the Knack's first album is their best album.
My Pre Metal days.
But it's music, always subjective and never objective.
Fun stuff Nick and Jon.
Thralls of Fucking Metal
Killing it again.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, the appeal of King's vocals still allude me but the riffs are killer on from what I've heard on both albums. I know Souls of Black is definitely a dark horse in that discography but there's something I absolutely love about that album in particular. I'd agree with both of those non metal picks though especially The Cars. That's one of my all time favorite debuts ever.
Always cool to hear some love for far beyond driven. The arrogance of that record is is what puts it slightly ahead of vulgar for me.
Necrotic Nick- Legit that album is still one of the most important gateway albums into metal for me. That was perfect for my shitty teenage self when I heard it and those riffs still stick with me.
I agree on Down, LOA, Deicide & SFU. Souls of Black is my go to Testament album so no on their debut. Undecided on Acid Bath.I know I missed a few.
Don't sweat the small stuff Jon! You can't hear it all... unless you're Nick or Uncle Ken with an amazing collection Excellent vid fellas 🤘
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I think this video got Jon fired up about checking out more bands that he's missed over the years.
Surprisingly few, besides the obvious dio, exodus and entombed.
Fairly common in metalcore & metallic HC, though. Most would agree satisfaction is the best hatebreed record, everyone agrees master killer for merauder. Atreyu isn't cool but their debut is better than people want to admit and is definitely their best. Code Orange Love is love for Sure. Most would agree cave in until your heart stops.
I would make the case for hearts.... For Shai Hulud, stings of conscience for unearth and opposite of December for poison the well although those are all arguable.
Forgot calculating infinity. Also, I do have a trad metal debut pick I haven't seen yet here: armored saint - March of the saint.
I enjoyed the hell out of this one! I would also pick Nunslaughter’s debut since I can now pick a second pick lol
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! It was a ton of fun to do. Yeah, that would have been a good one.
Even the dudes from Suffocation agree Effigy of the Forgotten is their best work ever. I asked Frank and Terrance myself years ago, Pierced from within is their second pick.
Venom and Testament I agree on being their best
Pierced is tied with Effigy for me for sure.
Necrotic Nick- And they should be proud of that one as it's a landmark album in death metal but I just think the songs on Pierced are Catchier.
Liege Of Inveracity breakdown playing in my head
I asked them too and they said the same thing haha. My favorite Suffo album for sure!
Deicide is my pick. I love a number of their albums but nothing beats their debut for me. it's an all time favorite of mine.
Necrotic Nick- Those first 3 could all be my number 1 Deicide album honestly. It's that close.
Hail of Bullets - I don't know if they've been mentioned yet.
My favorite debut albums, but in no particular order...
1. Appetite For Destruction -- Guns N' Roses
2. Bonded By Blood -- Exodus
3. Cowboys From Hell -- Pantera
4. Show No Mercy -- Slayer
5. The Legacy -- Testament
6. Nola -- Down
7. s/t -- Black Sabbath
8. s/t -- Van Halen
9. Out Of The Cellar -- Ratt
10. s/t -- W.A.S.P.
Necrotic Nick- There's some solid one on here for sure, man. Nice list.
You covered Brutal Truth so the most obvious ones for me after that are Cro-mags - Age of Quarrel, Lucifer- Lucifer 1, Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend, and I'll be the odd duck and say that Lonesome Crow is my favourite Scorpions album. And as much as I think they are killing it since Manslaughter, that first Body Count album
Necrotic Nick- Man, I might be backing a dark horse here but I love Best Wishes honestly. The riffs on that album are some of their best in my opinion. I still need to jam more Lucifer and Lucifer's Friend to say on that one but man, Lonesome Crow is a kinda spicy one but I still kinda dig that one. I like that Body Count debut but I think they got better. Either way, you got some good ones here, man.
@@Gregbaltzer Other than the song Ride the Sky the Lucifer's Friend debut was kind of weak , the follow up Where the Groupies Killed the Blues was way Heavier, and didn't feature such a horrible album cover.
@@Hecatecrossways I love the second album, but it's no where near as heavy as the first album. All those Sabbath riffs that were present on the first album were completely gone by the second album. Toxic Shadows is my favorite song on the first album.
@@Gregbaltzer I own all of Lucifer Friends albums. The first 2 albums were the only Proto Metal albums. Mean Machine was a decent Foreigner style album, but some of their other material is barely even Rock, little Lone Metal. The debut sounds more like a collaboration between Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple more than Black Sabbath. Lucifer is a new band formed by Nicke from Entombed with his wife providing the Voice for the band. Lucifer's Friend debut was 1970 the same year as UFO - UFO 🛸, Deep Purple in Rock, Sir Lord Baltimore - Kingdom Come, and Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath. Here's my ranking from Heaviest to Softest for these albums
1. Sir Lord Baltimore - Kingdom Come
2. Uriah Heep - Very Eavy , Very Umble
3. Deep Purple - In Rock
4. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
5. Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend
6. Handicapped Wildcat - When Satan Steals Your Wife
7. Led Zeppelin 3
8. UFO - UFO
9. Groundhog Greatest Hits
10. Black Sabbath - Paranoid ( actually the Heaviest Metal album from 1970 ,but I forgot about it being a 1970 release until I already completed the list)
@@Gregbaltzer I agree that the second Lucifer album is less Black Sabbath than the debut, but I really don't hear anything like Black Sabbath in any of the Lucifer's Friend songs. I would agree that the debut is more depressing than the follow up, but it also features a lot more acoustic ( clean ) ballad type stuff . Where the Groupies Killed the Blues is just overall a more Hard Rock, and less Pink Floyd like than the debut.
It’s a shame you’ve already done the Pantera discography, they could’ve been your ‘glam’ pick Nick
Is John testifying in front of Congress?
"I do not recall that album."
"I am unaware of their entire discography."
"I have not listened to that album, as far as I can remember."
Necrotic Nick- He hit a bit of a road block with some of these albums since he missed a lot of stuff over the years.
"I did not inhale that album."
"I did not have sexual relations with that album."
"Read my lips: No, Never Heard it!"
You have to check Funeral Mist. It is Mortuus's band from Marduk.
Necrotic Nick- I'm definitely going to look into them more at some point. Hearing a lot of good things about that one.
Before I even listen to your answers.... The best Dillinger Escape Plan is the one with Mike Patton singing.
You guys not liking/or being familiar with Eternal Nightmare or Melissa breaks my heart literally in my top albums of all time 2 of my favorite bands of all time but I worship King Diamonds voice and the evil lyrics to me to me Don’t Break the Oath is in the conversation for greatest metal album of all time and same for Sean Killian when you listen to Sean’s vocal’s in Vio-lence from the perspective of a maniac in a straight jacket that broke out of an asylum who happened to front a thrash band it makes more sense especially with the chaos and speed on the first record lol. Also Game Over is essential Thrash!
Necrotic Nick- I definitely know and like Eternal Nightmare but I'm jus not a fan of Killian's vocals on that one. I'm picky with vocals and that's kinda kept me from fully getting into Mercyful Fate/ King Diamond. His high wails are just not for me. Maybe one day it'll click but it hasn't happened yet.
Winds of Creation is the best Decapitated by a loooong shot. Possibly the greatest tech death album of all time!
Necrotic Nick- Debatable for me as I lean more towards the next 3 in the discography but I do love that debut.
Suffocation's self-titled >>>
A few off the top of my head that weren't mentioned:
Kayo Dot “Choirs of the Eye”
Godflesh “Streetcleaner”
Aghora “Aghora”
Spastic Ink “Ink Complete”
Sybreed “Slave Design”
Necrotic Nick- I haven't heard the debuts from Spastic Ink (I own the 2nd one), Kayo Dot (I started with Blue Lambency Downward) and I'm not familiar with Aghora but I think there's a solid argument for both Godflesh and Sybreed for sure. Good picks, man.
Good call on Choirs of the Eye. That album is excellent. I've had a hard time with a lot of their other stuff.
@@thrallsofmetal Highly recommend Kayo Dot’s debut - came out shortly after maudlin of the Well disbanded so it’s more metal and less free-form compared to their subsequent releases. Oh, and “Aghora” - awesome prog jazz-fusion metal feat. Sean Malone and Sean Reinert (RIP both).
Didn't think Id get much argument with Morgoth; though I have met a few people that really enjoy Odium.. which is fine but nowhere near the same level of savagery as Cursed or the e.p's in my opinion.
Lovin' these discussions guys.
My favourite Fantomas record is Director's Cut. Suspended Animation is really fun (and crazy) as well. You should check them out. I saw them live during the Suspended Animation tour. My first time seeing Mike Patton and King Buzzo live.
I bought the last album from DÅÅTH not that long ago, really digging that band.
Necrotic Nick- I like that one but I do think they went a bit overboard on the symphonic elements.
Tomb Mold was death metal seinfeld with that bass lead bounce driving the songs and it's basically gone after that and Artificial Brain became almost an alt rock band with the lightness of the guitars compared to the ferocious debut
Welcome To Hell over Black Metal is a bit of a hot take. I prefer The New Order and Practice What You Preach over The Legacy.
Necrotic Nick- There's definitely a few spicey takes on this one. It was pretty fun to shoot honestly.
Welcome To Hell is a better complete album than Black Metal.
I do prefer The New Order to The Legacy.
I love Effigy of the Forgotten, and I listened to it heaps more than Breeding the Spawn, but definitely my favourite Suffo album (from when I was really into their stuff) is Pierced From Within. Incidentally, I probably would have listened to Breeding the Spawn a lot more if it didn't have that terrible production. And the story behind that production is quite unfortunate. It seems the band has gradually re-recording that album in piecemeal (via bonus tracks) ever since!
Make the Chris Hanson Impersonation a Short... 😂😂😂❤
Necrotic Nick- LOL! I used to watch To Catch a Predator all the time so I got pretty good at imitating him lol.
The UA-cam Rabbit Hole of TCaP has taken many hours of my life. I'm not mad; time well spent.
The Montrose album rips. They are awesome
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I'm gonna check them out at some point. I've heard a lot of people bring them up over the years honestly.
@@thrallsofmetal the sound and guitar tone for the time is cool.
You absolutely need to hear Funeral Mist! All their albums are great, but Salvation is a special kind of nasty.
Necrotic Nick- I'll have to check them out at some point. There's so many damn "funeral" bands out there so of them just get lost in the shuffle.
the divinity of oceans from Ahab is their best in my view.
Necrotic Nick- I'm still missing that one in my collection but it's pretty damn good.
Jon I’m there with you buddy. I know fuck all. Lol 😂
Necrotic Nick- He'll learn and most importantly he wants to learn more about the albums he's missed out on.
@@thrallsofmetal I’m the same. I’m plowing through all sorts of albums. Made the mistake of listening to paleface Swiss though. They are really dumb even for deathcore
My Dying Bride - As the Flower Withers was definitely the best My Dying Bride album
Necrotic Nick- That album is amazing. Brutal as hell but still has that doomy oppressiveness I love.
I honestly think the most recent Monstrosity is my favorite, though the whole discography is flawless. And I gotta go with Jon on RATMs self titled as the best, so good
Necrotic Nick- That is such a tough call with Monstrosity. Hell, I struggle picking a favorite between the first 3 already lol. Yeah, I'm slightly more torn on RATM. Battle of Los Angeles has so many bangers on it as well.
Testament is so hard as their entire discography is solid, but for me personally The Legacy stands still at #3. My favorite from the bay area legends is actually their 2008 release, The Formation of Damnation... something about Chuck's growls, Alex being back in the fold, and my all-time favorite drummer Paul Bostaph just hammering the kit makes a heavy metal masterpiece.
The entire album is solid, so many killer thrash albums came out around that time. I'd say same goes for Exodus, a ton would put Bonded as their best, but for me it's Tempo of the Damned by long-shot
Necrotic Nick- Oh, believe me we know. That was a one we did years ago and it was tough as hell. That band is so damn consistent. Yeah, my personal favorite is a bit of a dark horse in the race with Souls of Black. It was the first one I ever got and I still love the hell out of that album.
@@thrallsofmetaloh shit I gotta revisit Souls, been way too long for me since I've heard that one!! but yeah for sure, only one I remember being not my thing was Demonic
Their later career records are good too.
Awesome video once again🤘
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man!
For a second i was afraid that Jon was saying Altar is my favourite. We must resist Jon.
Necrotic Nick- I knew he wouldn't go that far. We're both diehards when it comes to Covenant.
@JamminJon - I'm similar to you in being on a black metal voyage of discovery. There's lots of it I really don't like. But here's a recommendation from a couple of years ago: INEXORUM, "Equinox Vigil". It's an absolute beast, super riffy and with incredible production and tonnes of melody... check it out (and apologies if you guys have already reviewed it!). Great episode as always gents 🤟
I feel kinda bad for Jon lmao, he's not ignorant at all tho, he just enjoys his music at his own pace. It's also kinda unfair to him that his companion, Nik, is a walking metal encyclopedia LOL, that guy knows his metal alright
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, he's taking this as an opportunity to check out all the stuff he's missed which I think is awesome. You all supply us with cool suggestions all the time and we do our best to check them out. Jon will catch up though and he really wants to learn more which I think that's going to keep him driven.
Ocean Machine is an excellent pick.
Necrotic Nick- I do love that album. Honestly, I love most of Devy's solo work. He's just a flat out amazing musican.
How come no one mentions "Once Was Not" when talking about Cryptopsy? That album is an INSANE MASTERPIECE! One of their best. Highly underrated. I mean, do you HEAR what they are doing in that album!? The brilliant songwriting!? One of the most intense creative conceptual cinematic extreme albums I ever heard! Its literally apocalypse or armageddon put to music! It deserves more love amongst extreme metal fans.
I disagree. It’s my second least favorite Cryptopsy album, only ahead of The Unspoken King. Lord Worm’s vocals are pretty poor, and musically it’s kinda a mess. It definitely pales in comparison to Blasphemy Made Flesh and None So Vile, and I’d take both Mike DiSalvo albums over it as well.
i unfortunately don’t have time to watch the whole 1.5 hours of this right now. but if it’s not in here, part 3 should have parkway drive- killing with a smile
The edit on the Six Feet Under Agree and Disagree 😂
Necrotic Nick- I thought it was a fun and somewhat subtle jab lol
Do your homework, Phil Demmel writes ALL the music on Eternal Nightmare, not Rob Flynn.
Necrotic Nick- Robb has writing credits on like every track, bro. Apparently you missed that.
@@thrallsofmetal Apparently you don’t have the original Version on vinyl where literally every song lists -Sean Killian ,Lyrics, Phil Demmel Music, Rob Flynn isn’t listed once. So unless the original LP is incorrect, I’m going by that.
Necrotic Nick- Then apparently there are some discrepancies because he's listed on other versions.
The Haunted!
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, while I think it's an OK debut the next 3 are way better in my opinion.