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TonePrint Tuesday | 03: A better whammy experience for the PLETHORA X5 & Brainwaves
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- In this 3rd episode of TonePrint Tuesday, we answer a viewer's question: is it possible to have a good whammy effect through the MASH switch?
Yes, it is, and all it takes is a couple of tweaks. Dive in to find out which - and stay until the end to know how to set up your Brainwaves to play The Blood And Tears.
Fire up your TonePrint Editor, follow along, and let me know in the comments how this works for you!
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\\ Timestamps \\
00:00 Intro
00:40 The base toneprint
01:40 Why some people struggle with it
02:30 Fixing the issues
03:05 Gratuitous "demo-ing"
03:25 Back in the room
04:19 What's with the blue line?
06:20 Ko-Fi time!
06:40 The Blood And Tears (mostly tears...)
10:38 Outro
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![[Eng Sub] TC Electronic Brainwaves Pitch Shifter guitar effect](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1WllpbGP4MM/mqdefault.jpg)
More on the brainwaves please! There's so much in this pedal that's so unexplained on UA-cam!
It'll be coming! 😁
@@PedalPlatform have U done more?
@@PedalPlatform 🙏🙏🙏🙏
and sadly also on the manual... I want to know what i can customize about the "custom" setting on the voice knobs and nowhere does it say what you can or can't do. Within the app there is no way to create a toneprint unless you have the pedal. But I won't buy it unless I know what I can customize on top.
Specifically, I'd like to know if it is possible to set the voice at a P12 (oct+5th) or anywhere between 1 and 2 octaves.
Sounds a zillion times better than my Whammy IV, which I have to constantly calibrate. Thanks for the demo!
You're welcome! 🙏🏻
Great tutorial! How about a similar video, but for a wah effect instead?
Awesome.... Again 🤗
Thanks again!
@@PedalPlatformI still don’t understand. Can this pedal do a proper whammy pedal emulation?
Slow glides like Gilmour in marooned? Thx
videos like this are very useful. Unfortunately there is not much content about this wonderful pedal on youtube. #tcelectronic should support more content creators like you
From my part, I'll keep making them until everybody is bored of me! 😉🤣
@@PedalPlatform não pare meu amigo!
Não vou parar mesmo. 😉
I‘m sorry if I missed it, did you show your EVH detune toneprint settings in a later video? If not, could you guide me through the steps how to set it up in the Plethora X5? Thanks man, great channel btw
Hi, thank you for all of your videos! I'm hoping you can give me some tips on tweaking the settings to do the Audioslave "like a stone" solo. A slow whammy, maybe a less sensitive curve to let the pitch change more smoothly. I just can't seem to get it right. Thank you!!
Hi Mike, tweaking the sensitivity curve to make it less sensitive might be a double edged sword, as it might force you to put too much weight on the pedal to reach the correct pitch - but try tweaking the Bend Time parameters in the Voice tabs, and make them a bit longer, that way the pitch won't be as jumpy!
could i be able to play something like david gilmours marooned or blue songs with these mash whammy?
Great video!! Thanks a lot!! I have a question. Is it possible to do the whammy effect by using an expression pedal instead of the Mash button? May be the glide between notes could be more slow (more like a real whammy Tom Morello style) using an expression pedal? Thanks a lot again
Thank you! 🙏🏻 And yes, on the Plethora you can absolutely use the Expression pedal. I think the pitch shifting toneprints already have it mapped, so you just need to go into the Board settings, Exp assignment, Modifier, then pick the Brainwaves slot and select "Expression Modifier".
@@PedalPlatform Thank you very much
How do you make the MASH switch bend the tone down (instead of up) on the Plethora X5? I assume on the original Brainwaves pedal you can just flick the up/down switch for each of the voices, but I don't know how to program that into the Plethora using the Toneprint software :/
Hi Kalle, I'm working on the full Brainwaves tutorial which should be ready next week, but the parameter you're looking for is ToneBend Tone, inside each of the Voice tabs. The value represents cents (100 cents per semitone, 1200 per octave), positive values bend up, negative bend down. Hope this helps, and sorry for late reply! 🙏🏻
Hey, Thanks for this video. I am using the Plethora X3 with Mash and I want to use the Mash as a whammy effect as you are showing here. The problem is that when I use the Default Wham preset, it bends to a lower note instead of going up. I tried to explicitly follow your instructions, Is there exact settings I could at least get me in the ball park? I found many screen shots, but they didn't seem to match up with what I'm trying to do.. Thanks to anyone who can help!
Check the hotknobs when you are setting up the effect... if you turn them clockwise it will increase in +1 semitones...
Hey!!! I have one question... how to get a DETUNE effect like Chorus? I like Detune better then standard Chorus, its more clean and transparent. Is there a simple way to get a good Chorus like sound but DETUNE? I play acoustic and Chorus in plethora makes my sound thin when i play with it.. i know Detune is always more transparent and better sounding.. BUT.... how to get that sound? is there a toneprint maybe? TNXXXX
DETUNE is inside Brain Waves options
I am wondering (whammy effect) whether I can do a slower way of dive bombing. Pressing the knob the note drops very fast, hardly can hear the 'traveling way' of the note/s. I try to adjust the curve you suggest in the video around 04:00 ish
Try adjusting the "Bend time" in the Voice 1 / Voice 2 tab instead, and make them as long as you need. The curve will mostly adjust the sensitivity of the MASH switch in relation to how hard you press. If your bend time is 0 ms, that's roughly how long your dive bomb will last as soon as you hit full pressure, which is why you don't hear the travel time; try picking something like 500 ms to start with, then adjust to taste!
@@PedalPlatform wow, thank you!!! I try it!!!
I am trying to set up the Brainwaves to generate a pitch shift to “detune” the guitar a full step for certain songs. I can’t seem to make it work without some latency and also a considerable volume drop. I tried tweaking several tone prints and creating my own but can’t seem to get it right. Any suggestions?
Yeah, there's always a bit of latency when pitch shifting, so there's probably nothing you can do about that. As for the volume drop, have you made sure you maxed out the fx chain mix?
Dear Friend, now I have another issue when dive bombing. I lose the volume when I press the mash stomp and it cannot get through the mix. Is there any option to raise the volume while I am pressing deeper and deeper the mash? Thank you
Have u found a solution?
@@boimesa8190 nope. TC must update the Tone software and add a volume curve option. Or call back the pedals
@@ymelfilm for real... TC has gotten THE WORST customer service since musictribe took over the company
Please can you help? I'm pulling my hair out and ready to throw my Plethora X5 out the window 🤣
I've tried replicating your settings, and spent days tweaking every parameter I can find - but I can get the dry signal to go when I add in the pitch-shifted note with my expression pedal. I'm essentially trying to mirror Tom Morello's whammy for the Killing In The Name solo.
I'm just getting the two-octave higher note added to the existing dry note.
Also - is there any way to alter the volume of the whammy note? There seems to be a noticeable drop in volume when I 'whammy up'. The two issues may be related.
Thanks 🙏
Sure! I'll take this in steps so that we don't overlook something that might prove important in the end:
1) ignore my video (we'll come to that in a second); 🤣
2) plug everything in, including expression pedal (make sure it's calibrated), and load a Brainwaves in an effects slot;
3) in the Plethora settings, Board, etc, link the Expression Pedal to the Effect modifier;
4) in the Brainwaves slot, load up the *WHAM* preset (this is the most important bit to make the dry sound go away);
5) turn both Voice 1 and Voice 2 pots to 96 or thereabouts, i.e. 24 semitones;
6) ignore the MIX pot, that'll have a flat mapping at 100% wherever you dial it to;
7) try playing and messing around with the expression pedal.
This *should* do what you're expecting, and give you the dry signal on heel down, then change to wet signal without changing pitch as you start pressing down gently, and then the pitch will go up, killing the dry signal.
Back to point 1) above:
- my video was mostly intended to work around the extreme sensitivity of the MASH switches as soon as you touch them, as well as the level of force needed to press them to 100%. Since this isn't much of an issue with the expression pedal, you can safely ignore it - *unless* you want to tweak the speed at which the expression pedal reaches the full effect. In that case, you can tweak the expression pedal curve within the TonePrint Editor, and bring both ToneBend % curves to 100% at the mid or 3/4 point. Keep in mind that you need them to start only when the FX Chain Mix curve reaches 100%, otherwise you'll hear the dry signal mixed in with the octaves as they climb.
As for the volume issue, there's nothing you can do inside the Plethora / TonePrint, as the Wet Level is fixed within the Whammy effect type, but I find that running this effect before my distortion goes a long way to even the levels out.
If this still doesn't work, please let me know and we'll try to figure it out. 👍🏻
Hi Filipe,
Thanks so much for your help and detailed instructions 🙂
Unfortunately, I still have the issue. I don't think it's actually the dry signal I'm hearing with the toe-down. I think it's a wet unison note accompanying the two-octave-up note. Both at equal volume.
In the mapping screen, both Voice 1 and Voice 2 are set to 'Pitch Shifter - 1. Harmony '
Both voices are are set at 24 at all points (flat line) and the Mix is set at 100% at all points (flat line) as you stated above.
On the Expression Pedal screen, the top field is set to 'Pitchshifter - 1. Tonebend %', the middle field to 'Pitchshifter - 2. Tonebed %', and the bottom field to 'Router - FX Chain Mix'.
The Chain mix starts at 0% and goes to 100% at the second point. Both tonebends start at 0% and go to 100% at the third/middle point.
Any ideas?
Hi Filipe,
Thanks so much for your help and detailed instructions 🙂
Unfortunately, I still have the issue. I don't think it's actually the dry signal I'm hearing with the toe-down. I think it's a wet unison note accompanying the two-octave-up note. Both at equal volume.
In the mapping screen, both Voice 1 and Voice 2 are set to 'Pitch Shifter - 1. Harmony '
Both voices are are set at 24 at all points (flat line) and the Mix is set at 100% at all points (flat line) as you stated above.
On the Expression Pedal screen, the top field is set to 'Pitchshifter - 1. Tonebend %', the middle field to 'Pitchshifter - 2. Tonebed %', and the bottom field to 'Router - FX Chain Mix'.
The Chain mix starts at 0% and goes to 100% at the second point. Both tonebends start at 0% and go to 100% at the third/middle point.
Any ideas?
Man, I like to much electro harmonix B9, C9, Key9. Can the PlethoraX5 beat them?
Different horses on different courses... the Plethora's effects are more along the "traditional" guitar effects lines, whereas those specific EHX are more about emulating other instruments. If you spend enough time with the toneprint editor and the various pitch / modulation effects in the Plethora you might get a few toneprints in the ballpark of those sounds, but if those specific EHX sounds are the ones you want, then just keep it simple and stick to them. 🙂
Thanks, it worked for me, but... could you please describe your signal chain? My whammy effect sounds tiny... low volume... thin... My signal chain is: guitar > spark booster > OCD > amp... plethora is in the FX loop...
I had the Brainwaves before my drives to fatten it up.
@@PedalPlatformany ideas on how to fix this with drives before plethora?
Can the Brainwave/Plethora do the EVH Detune sound?…where you go down 8 cents on the left and up 8 cents on the right…..
Hi Scott, I'm 99% sure it can, but I'll have to check the other 1% and confirm the settings to do it! I'll post back once I can confirm that.
@@PedalPlatform Thank you!!….I am looking for a good Detune pedal to do the EVH wet dry wet thing…the Eventide Micropitch is the obvious choice,but it’s not analog dry thru,and the Brainwave is….and it’s cheaper…not very many videos on the Brainwaves with a high gain sound,and the detune function..
Try this one: ua-cam.com/video/qPqJacEZe74/v-deo.html 😉
I'm using a very subtle mix, which can be made a lot more aggressive, but I prefer the subtle widening effect rather than the in-your-face detuning. I'll post up the settings in an upcoming video, I have a sore throat and can't really speak right now 🤦🏻♂️, but in essence it's the detune algorithm with 8 / 9 cents set on the custom voices, and one switch flipped up, the other one down. Hope this helps!
@@PedalPlatform yes,thank you!!….I am looking for an EVH 90’s era detune for my wet dry wet rig….the obvious choice is the Eventide H9 or Micropitch,but neither of those are analog dry thru,which is a deal breaker,as I want some dry signal in my wet cabs……the Brainwaves seems to be able to provide that sound….I would love to see more details and sounds for this setting..
Cool! I'll try to make a TonePrintTuesday video about it asap, with more extreme examples, etc. 👍🏻👍🏻
I thought this interface is shitty, too much complicated and absolutely not user friendly. It doesn't match with the simplicity and the spirit of the Plethora.
It's not as simple as the Plethora, no. But personally I'll put up with the complexity in return for the sheer amount of flexibility it affords us 😬