Technical Tuesday - Trigger systems and the Timney design
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Hey everyone! We've had some questions about the Timney trigger in our guns. We can't warrant function or safety of our guns with any aftermarket components. With that said, we thought it would be worthwhile to walk through some differences between how various striker fired pistols actually operate and how that relates to the Timney trigger. Enjoy!
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I’ve been watching gun you tubers for over 10 years and have gotten more detailed Glock information out of Trevors videos than all others combined
His are good. But no 1 compares to Johnny glock... If u actually want to learn how 2 work on them
So true - what’s funny is he’s not even really talking about Glocks 😂
I think this was an excellent video on the difference between Double Action (DA) and Single Action (SA) in striker fired firearms. Thanks!
I like my MR920. The trigger is _ok_ , but it is spongy... spongier than the GEN5 Glocks I've shot. I don't want to go to an SA trigger in my MR920 (like the Timney Alpha), but I would like to see Shadow Systems (1) work on improving their trigger (as Glock apparently did), and then (2) offering an "upgrade" to current SS owners.
I second this. The Shadow Systems trigger definitely has room for improvement.
Is it a foundation series? If so, it uses a polymer trigger shoe, which can feel a little spongy. The combat and elite series guns use an aluminum trigger shoe, which can alleviate some of that, and they do sell it online. Just something to consider.
@@davidciarcelluti5084 Thanks for your input. I have the Elite version. It still feels spongey to me. Another issue is it becomes uncomfortable after about 100 rounds because the trigger is not flush enough with the shoe. That might not be a problem for other people, though. Anyway, I'm having a gunsmith install a trigger from Ramm Tactical. Going to pick it up this week, so hopefully that'll solve the problem for me.
Excellent explanation of these firing systems Trevor, thanks.
Got my Xr920 a week ago, absolutely love it, shot once so far and had nice grouping right off the bat.
Didn’t know this and had been considering the Timney till watching this. Great stuff, thanks!
SS is KING right now. Congratulations Trevor we love the product and content.
Love the company and love the videos. Keep up the good work.
Hi Trevor I appreciate Tuesdays!
Great explanation on the different actions. I will stay with the Shadow Systems trigger. Love my Guns.
Thanks for your time !!
I have a mr920 elite with a
timney trigger + Johnny glocks timney combat conversion kit and let me tell you how amazing that combination is!
It works flawlessly and is leaps and bounds over a stock mr920 trigger.
I highly recommend this set up.
$150 -timney trigger $72 -Johnny glocks timney combat conversion kit = a carry trigger that can’t be beat an absolutely amazing set up!
What does Johnny do to the Timney?
@@5jjt timney trigger is typically just the shoe (physical trigger that you squeeze)
While the Johnny glock upgrades is for the internals. It's specifically designed a certain for maximum performance and safety. It's superior to all other brands for sure...
@@5jjt allows you to shorten the reset and break even more (adjustable)
Can configure the trigger pull weight to your liking. Ranges from under 3lb pull to stock pull weight
@@SnD340 incorrect. The timney is a completely different trigger system from a stock glock. The internals are completely different
What gen did you get it for. I have a mr920 and was thinking about getting it.
I short my DR9 in competition and am completely happy with the SS trigger. I actually sold a G34 with a Timney trigger installed, and don’t miss it at all, I was nervous holstering that thing. Brilliant trigger, but am very comfortable with my well broken in SS OEM trigger.
Thanks so much for this vid. Loving my mr920
This is the best explanation of the difference between common striker fired setups available today. I actually never knew the M&P didn’t use the “DA” style. I heard that they got sued years back by Glock so I assumed they just completely copied the design.
Learned something again. Thanks.
Nice instructive lecture.
fantastic explanation. thanks
Thanks again Trevor! 👍🇺🇸
I've tried it in my SSC MR920 and DR920. I've not yet installed the other one I have in my MR920L because that's my EDC and I'm not fully confident in it yet. I need to call Timney. In hundreds of rounds tested, I've had two instances when the gun fired upon release of the trigger. Another friend had the same thing happen routinely in a P80 build. I have a feeling it has to do with the trigger housing needing to be OEM Glock instead of some proprietary part. I believe SSC uses a proprietary trigger housing; at least it's stamped with SSC on it. My problem might also be that, in performing prior trigger work on the original SSC trigger, I polished the connector. That helped smooth out the OEM trigger somewhat, but it's may now be causing an issue with the Timney installed. The good news is I've got time to play with this some more and the tech support folks at Timney are fantastic, so I'm going to give them a call this week to learn more. According to a gentlemen I spoke with before purchasing, they've tested their trigger in SSC guns with a good result, so it can be done.
I put this Timney trigger in my DR920. I've fallen in love with it as a range gun, not a duty gun. The trigger is much lighter and more crisp, but I'm agreeing with you on it being a "competition" type trigger. That being said, I love it for what it is, a pre-cocked trigger pull.
Buying it now based on what you said. Thanks man.
Put a + (8 pound) OEM connector in and the break weight will go up to between 4 and 4.5 pounds. (At least it did in my gen 5 trigger housing.)
I bought the timney trigger and installed it it my MR920 and the reset seems doggy or slow at times. I used the included silver spring, but am wondering if I should have used the purple instead. Do you have any idea what my issue might be?
@@sabre-sevendelta6675 the problem is your connector , it’s touching the trigger bar therefore it drags or reset gets stuck. Also change the trigger spring to the red one
Which of the two springs did you use the silver one or the purple one
Great video. You guys are the best. Now get back to work and get those CR’s out so I buy one.
Thank you for the information and I agree with you. For everyday carry and self-defense, your trigger is great. I've finally figured it out, Alec Baldwin's SA revolver had a Timney trigger.
I personally have the Timney drop in system in an xr920 and haven’t had a single issue. Relatively still new, as it’s only seen just short of 1000 rounds, but no issues to date.
How did you get it to drop in? Seems the trigger bar is hitting the rear of the frame and not setting.
After several hours of frustration and phone calls to Timney, my Gunsmith gave up trying to install the comp trigger into my stock Glock 19 Gen 4. However, he did test installing it in his Glock 19 Gen 3, and it installed and functioned perfectly. Timney indicated on his last call that Timney had incurred some defective parts in their mfg. process causing issues for installations for Gen 4 pistols. Since I wasted $$ with the Gunsnith attempts I sold the Timney kit to him at a discount. I plan on my future purchases with Mcarbo in the future since I've incurred no previous issues with their products.
I absolutely love my Timney in the MR920L it’s amazing for sport shooting. However. Because you put a Timney Trigger into a Shadow Systems do NOT expect Shadow to replace any parts the trigger may wear.
Great info.....thanks
Funny this video showed up today - I installed a Timney trigger in my MR920 yesterday - have not shot the pistol yet but let me tell ya --- It is absolutely the best trigger I have now compared to 4 other aftermarket glock triggers. 2 have the apex which was my favorite, overwatch and a boogeyman. The pull, reset and oh so clean break, it will make ya smile - disclaimer - I've only dry fired and not done any testing so take that for what it is but --- Its a niceeee !
Oh yeah - waiting on me a XR920 for my second SS
Thanks, which trigger did your ordered? Específicos for the Mr920? Thanks
A issue I found with my mr920 is the safety plunger is not being depressed fully and is marring up the plunger and the firing pin.
I am not a trigger aficionado, but I love my Shadow System War Poet. The MR920 and the CR920. The best polymer guns I believe. .
Can you all please make a metal mag well small medium and large. Would definitely get the sells.
Does the MR920 have a 3.5 lbs
Connecter?
I love everything about my MR920 War Poet... but the trigger. I mean its a trigger, it makes the gun go bang when you pull it. But my PSA Dagger Trigger feels better. What are my option for this to get a good duty trigger with a nice consistant wall and then bang.What woud you recomend.
Ìronically I have seen a lot of negative reviews on the Shadow Systems triggers on the MR/DR920 Elite models and people that prefer the factory triggers on the Gen 5 over these. When spending this amount of money on a "Elite" version of a weapon that is supposed to surpass the Glock quality, why on earth would it be acceptable to be spending even more money on trigger upgrades? To me these models does not sound very "Elite" to me. Any takes on this?
I learned a hard leson after purchasing my XR920 two days ago. After taking it to the range yesterday I left very disappointed because the trigger is horrible, 7.1 pounds on my Wheeler digital gauge. I'm no gunsmith, so I don't know what can be done to fix this, but all of the reviews I'm seeing on aftermarket triggers say they don't really work with this gun! :-(
I have owned about 48 different handguns over the last 30 years,and fired hundreds,my shadow dr920 elite has the worst trigger i have ever in my life experienced😡
I have the Timney in most all of my Glocks, However my SS is perfect just like it is…no reason to make any changes… Good Vid Trevor thanks for the details!!
I was going to buy a MR920L (or 2) from bass pro tonight. All their guns are trigger locked and they won't remove them. I mentioned I was concerned about reports of crappy triggers. One of their more experienced employees said he could take them in the back and see what he thought. He came back with the 2 boxes and said he wouldn't buy either, terribly gritty triggers. I left very disappointed but it SUCKS when you can't see for yourself.
Sounds like you need to find a scheels store near you. That guy was prolly a sig guy
Could you explain exactly what your guns are? I saw one in a store. It was nice. It looked like an upgraded G19. I asked the guy, but he didn’t have a clear answer. I checked out your website (2 weeks ago) but couldn’t quite get a read on it. Are you sort of a Wilson Combat of Glocks? Or an original manufacturer? Something else?
CZ p10 series also have a pre cocked striker. Mine started having issues double firing and firing when dropping the slide on a loaded mag. Everyone wants that 1911/2011 2 lb trigger but forget those guns have thumb and grip safety. IMO the Glock style is the most safe carry trigger on a striker style gun.
Your P10C was double firing?
They do also offer a combat trigger that maintains the slightly higher pull weight but still offer the clean pull
No they don’t. They only make the alpha trigger. It’s specifically stated to be a competition trigger only. It is offered in all black, or with a red trigger shoe safety. I have three of them, and they have failed the drop test in two guns.
@@Freakingstang Johnny Glock makes the combat version of the Timney to give it a 4-pound trigger with the clean break
That’s great. Timney doesn’t make it and no one was talking about Johnny Glock. The video was specifically about shadow systems and timney triggers.
@@Freakingstang Define fail tho... True, the sear can release... but the cruciform is still on the ledge, meaning that it's too high for the striker to get past... stops the striker... and the safety plunger is also engaged. Might be splitting hairs, but from what I've experienced the striker will not touch the primer. BUT... you do have a dead trigger that you wont know about till you squeeze the trigger. Thus I don't carry with it, comp only, but based on my experience it does not appear to be unsafe from a neg discharge standpoint. Curious if your experience is diff>
@@hawkgeoff put a primed empty case in the chamber and toss the gun from from 5 feet or more. 4 and below won’t set it off. I assure you it will set the primer off. You can’t get anymore fail than that.
This is why people love all p99 clone triggers example all Canik PDP VP9 are all basically the same pistol with the same trigger setups precocked strikers. Canik imo has the best stock striker fired triggers. Better then most aftermarket triggers.
Like he explained in the video Glock/Glock clone triggers are pretty much shit because it’s DA having to pull through to cock and drop the striker.
Trevor what causes the trigger to get gritty after break in. Gun is clean but more it breaks in the more gritty the trigger pull is getting. I also left 2 voicemails for customer service to call me about all the play in the rails. On trigger pull u can see the slide lift up with some play. My glocks are tight and doesn’t rattle mine is extremely loose in the rails.
Mine does the same thing with the slide lifting but when I put an empty mag in it. it stopped that movement. I also blew out my trigger springs with air compressor.
Thanks I been so nervous. My friend is having same trigger issues with the grit feeling and both of ours are clean I even used compressed air blew it out and still the same so I’m worried bout it
@@Cortney_Whitecotton sheesh that concerning did you re lube good. I hope nothing got bent and I hope Trevor gets back with maybe a rhyme or reason for it.
They don seem to get back to questions very well. I have 2 emails unanswered as well as a dm on insta. The only time I ever got a reply is when I couldn’t get the store to work. Ie request for help giving them my money. This will determine future purposes of their product. I shouldn’t have to call to get simple questions answered
My DR920 has the same play in the slide and SS told me it is normal. The only reason I brought it up to them is because the gun malfunctions more than I think it should. The ammo I’m using is not trash (AAC from PSA) but it stovepipes and double feeds about once every 25-50 rounds. I am running Magpul mags as SS recommends.
I have started using Winchester/Hertenberger’s to see if the problems go away.
If it doesn’t I am going to go back to them for help.
💯 agree. If someone is going to purchase one of your firearms for either their EDC or duty. LEAVE IT! ALONE! As a duty or EDC pistol being modified, you run the risk of that pistol not being reliable. If you change ' one ' part, other ' factory ' parts my not work together. Then your changing out more parts. If your not shooting match shooting competitions. Leave your firearm alone.
I heard ramm tactical makes a drop in trigger for shadow systems that works great
I guess the question is: Why does Shadow Systems not make a premium trigger?? We paid a lot for the pistols, I don't think I'd mind paying more for better trigger
I don’t like the idea of a Glock like firearm with a fully cocked trigger.If your weapons are always loaded,which they should be as defensive weapons,the springs are compressed all the time.It’s only a matter of time before that spring wears out or fails.I like the standard “semi cocked”Glock operating system which is safe and effective and does not lend itself to failure.
It's like Trevor read my mind.
I learned a hard leson after purchasing my XR920 two days ago. After taking it to the range yesterday I left very disappointed because the trigger is horrible, 7.1 pounds on my Wheeler digital gauge. Not so much gritty, but too heavy, makes me want to sell it and I saved forever to purchase it, so I am very disappointed. I'm no gunsmith, so I don't know what can be done to fix this, but all of the reviews I'm seeing on aftermarket triggers say they don't really work correctly with this gun! :-(
The SS trigger is great once it breaks in, I really don't know why all these people want to change it out.
I’ve left mine stock, for now. I think most like to personalize or customize to suit there own needs or to accessorize as they deem necessary, kind of like changing components out on a brand new car/truck. That’s my .02….
Because people think upgrades can replace skill.
I like the trigger. I have kept it. But it does feel a bit slow with the longish reset.
I'm not saying the firearms are similar or on the same level, but you check out the trigger on a Canik METE at nearly half the price and it has like a 2mm reset.
Again, not saying it is a bad trigger. It works just fine for me. The trigger on my MR920 has pretty much zero creep once I reach the wall and it breaks crisp. I have no doubt when the pistol is going to fire once I settle at the wall. So I am not dogging the trigger. I like it. I just wish it was a tad faster.
I don't like it. I prefer the factory gen 5 trigger. The trigger pull is very long.
Sorry bro coming from a M&P Apex trigger? The 1911 of striker fire triggers? This trigger is lacking.
I shot my new XR920 yesterday for the first time. I needed to zero the Holosun 507 optic and get started on the 200 round break-in. The Holosun instructions say the sight is zeroed at 25 yards from the factory. Shadow Systems installed the sight and sold it as a unit. I set up a 25 yard target and used a rest. Fired 3 and went to check. Not a single bullet hole. Got a much larger piece of paper and found it was 12 inches left and 7 inches low. That’s 48 clicks right and 28 clicks up. After about 15 shots and further adjustment, I got it where I wanted it.
The trigger is ok. Not great, but serviceable. It is not completely flat faced and the insert protrudes a bit when the trigger is pulled. Slightly irritating, but not as bad as my G43.
I have the Timney trigger in my G19. Sweet as sugar. Smooth as silk. Hot knife through butter. Game changer. I’ll make the decision on installing on in the XR920 after the break-in. Maybe the stock trigger will improve with time.
I contacted timney about it and they said they don’t recommend putting one in a shadow systems. The trigger on my XR920 is super heavy, even compared to my MR920, so not sure what to do. I’d hate to get rid of my XR based on the trigger alone. Any suggestions?
I learned a hard leson after purchasing my XR920 also.. After taking it to the range I left very disappointed because the trigger is horrible, 7.1 pounds on my Wheeler digital gauge. I'm no gunsmith, so I don't know what can be done to fix this, but all of the reviews I'm seeing on aftermarket triggers say they don't really work with this gun! :-(
@@Iceflame38 agree
I'll stick to the tried and true S.S. trigger. If it ain't broke, don't f#$k with it! Just my opinion.
I bought this gun for the promise of a better more repeatable trigger. I’ll maintain that the best trigger mod you can do is to go shoot your gun and train. No one shoots enough. Spend that money on classes and learn how to shoot it if it’s a defensive weapon. If it’s a gamer gun or a range toy, fine. I get it. How badly do you want a high speed part to potentially alter the reliability of your gun when you need it most?
I did shoot mine. After 500 rounds i got a gritty, spongy mess of a trigger that didnt have a reliable/consistant break
The trigger on XR920 is terrible, nothing like my MR 920. I tried to fix using both an overwatch and zev drop in trigger kit and both induced binary fire. I put the stock trigger back in and your customer service said you can do nothing for me and my terrible stock shadow systems trigger. Unfortunate that your company doesn't help its users.
Same.... I learned a hard leson after purchasing my XR920 two days ago. After taking it to the range yesterday I left very disappointed because the trigger is horrible, 7.1 pounds on my Wheeler digital gauge. I'm no gunsmith, so I don't know what can be done to fix this, but all of the reviews I'm seeing on aftermarket triggers say they don't really work with this gun! :-(
I have no worries carrying my timney @ 2.3 lbs. if you can’t trust your finger don’t use it!
I prefer the factory trigger on my SS .
My OEM SS trigger is more 6lbs
No wonder 320’s are having problems with AD’s.
I have 6 Glocks and 3 P 80s. All but one P 80 has the Timney Alpha Comp. triggers. It's plain and very simple, these are Competition TRIGGERS. They where made for competition use. I neve would own a Glock because I could never understand why anyone would put themselves through the worst trigger ever made. The only reason I have the Glocks I do is because the Timnely triggers. Not one of my Glocks would break under 6 1/2 lbs. new out of the box. To me that is far beyond reason to have that heavy of trigger unless for Duty use. All my guns are fun, range guns. I do have 3 I use for daily carry.
I am reather disapointed in this video! Why would you talk about it and not show what you are talking about. This seams like a waste of time and effort on the subject. I clicked on this video hoping to see a new tirgger. All you did is talk about single action and double actionin a few different guns. This is disapointing.
i just picked up my dr920 elite and not sure why anyone wants to change tyhe trigger out, very happy
The stock MR 920 trigger SUCKS. Huge disappointment. I just got mine (special ordered) and the trigger is easily the worst striker pistol trigger I own. I hate it. Debating on selling the gun
The shadow sytems trigger looks cool but the trigger pull is no better than a glock, some of my glocks actually have a better pull.
I’m sad that you don’t offer an option that would let the consumer decide. No shadow systems branded upgrade that would allow us to retain warranty. I love the Glock compatibility and the design of the firearm but seriously disappointed that the trigger feels worse than the legendarily terrible Glock trigger. I wish there was a better option other than void my warranty or just deal with it
Proud new owner of my MR920P. I do like nice triggers, I am cursed with my previous years of competition on 1911 pattern guns. It would be seriously fantastic if you turned out tuned up performance trigger kits along the lines of Apex. Also an alloy magwell + backstrap combo.
I see no need to change anything about my MR920L. Especially the trigger
put a better trigger on the cr920 great gun trigger sucks
People… there is a break in period. Give it 100 rounds with stick trigger! I promise. You won’t want to change it. SS MR920L
I've put 300 rounds through it and still hate it. I never have shot glocks well, so I will be changing mine.
I am no expert but it seems that the trigger in my Walther PPQ match 5 has a short nice trigger pull. My MR 920L seems like it takes forever to fire , a long trigger pull? I don’t know if that’s the best way to say it but that’s what it feels like. I like the trigger in my Walther way better
So after 3 months I decided to finally try the Timney Trigger with a 3.0 Black Yikes Conmector and Zev Pro slide kit. And it is just as smooth as my Staccato XC. Super hard to believe, a Glock having a good enough trigger as a 1911? NO WAY. But yes… seriously take up is super minimal, wall is very crisp, reset is almost INSTANT. Timney and Zev have been around a while, I figured let me give them both some love in a MR920L. With that being said. Don’t expect any kind of warranties or liability issues with Shadow after changing OEM parts to aftermarket. That’s pretty common with majority manufacturers.
An XC with an Atlas trigger is on another level.
@@bradpowell843 that’s like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Mustang…
If you cant shoot shadow systems well, you cant shoot.
I would rather get training if i need a different trigger id get a different gun
just ordered my first shadow systems pistol yesterday, what type of timney would i need, gen 3/4?
Gen 4