DO PILOTS Need MATH And PHYSICS? The Real ANSWER
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Welcome back to my channel guys! In this video I explain different reasons why you have to have a basic (!) understanding of Math and Physics when you want to become an airline pilot. I will tell you about the ATPL subjects which contain calculations and I will share a couple of formula's you will face during your flight training. Apart from that I will share a few examples of calculations an airline pilot makes on a daily basis.
Examples of actual questions of the ATPL Subject Mass & Balance:
Question: The mass and balance information gives: Basic mass: 1 200 kg ; Basic balance arm: 3.00 m Under these conditions the Basic centre of gravity is at 25% of the mean aerodynamic chord (MAC). The length of MAC is 2m. In the mass and balance section of the flight manual the following information is given : Position Arm. front seats : 2.5 m, rear seats : 3.5 m, rear hold : 4.5 m, fuel tanks : 3.0 m. The pilot and one passenger embark; each weighs 80 kg. Fuel tanks contain 140 litres of petrol with a density of 0.714. The rear seats are not occupied.Taxi fuel is negligable.
What is the position of the centre of gravity at take-off (as % MAC)?
Answer: 22 %
Question: Determine the Take-off Mass for the following single engine aeroplane. Given : Standard Empty Mass : 1764 lbs Optional Equipment : 35 lbs Pilot + Front seat passenger : 300 lbs Cargo Mass : 350 lbs Ramp Fuel = Block Fuel : 60 Gal. Trip Fuel : 35 Gal. Fuel density : 6 lbs/Gal.
Answer: 2799 lbs
Question: What is the DOM? The basic empty mass of an aircraft is 30 000 kg. The masses of the following items are : - catering: 300 kg - safety and rescue material: nil - fly away kit: nil - crew (inclusive crew baggage): 365kg - fuel at take-off: 3 000 kg - unusable fuel: 120 kg - passengers, baggage, cargo: 8 000 kg
Answer: The Dry Operating Mass = 30 665 kg
I got average of 6 in math and physics back in high school, never good at them, never understand shit.
I'm now doing ATPL systems with no trouble understanding.
As long as you have common sense understanding of stuff around you in life, don't sweat about the marks, you'll get it if you receive the sufficient training and stick with it from the start of your aviation training
that is some what encouraging , i think Chuck Yeager the legendary test pilot said of himself once , " that even a student of his caliber knew that it was more important to be the hammer than the nail ".
Thank you i'm going to college this year and i want to become a pilot but i really suck at both of these
depends if you suck because you don't care enough and don't try or if you suck even though you've tried your best. I didn't care much in high school and uni because I haven't found my interest back then.
You only need basic math to fly, but you need to somewhat capable of doing simple quick math in your head without a pen a paper. For physics is the same, the training will build you up from the basics.
6 out of what? In IB, that's a good grade, cause it's out of 7.
Adrien Rassat I'm assuming he's using the UK's new GCSE grading system, which ranges from 1 (F) to 9 (A**)
I'm a train manager and we also have to know a lot of math to calculate the weight of the train, the power of the breaks and how much breakpower the train needs to end up in the correct position on the platform.
I can only imagine how much pilots need to know math!
Keep up the good work! ;)
Im a conductor and engineer (US, freight) I was terrified about getting on the railroad and being horrible at math. Turns out all we do is add our train length, train length with 3% for its stretched length and adding our tonnage. Thats it, all basic addition and subtraction if we set out cars/engines. Haha
I think this video could unnecessarily put some aspiring pilots off. On a day to day basis I do very basic maths... the only time you need to learn a bit more is when doing your ATPL exams. In the real world it's very minimal.
This is very reassuring, thank you! I was terrible at maths at school, especially arithmetic, but I think (hope) now I'm older that I might actually find it easier because I can think more logically etc.
speedbird3000 you're welcome! If I can prevent just one person from giving up on flying due to maths concerns then I'm happy.
Define minimal. Any calculus?
Adrien Rassat minimal as in basic arithmetic, e.g. 5 × 3, 57.8 - 57.1 etc
I doubt the training only incoporates that. i mean all of the physics you gotta learn, such as the compressability effect, supersonic and transonic calculations. I'd imagine to pass those you oughtta be really good at maths. Some people say u have to learn calculus before passing theory in training.
It’s “easier” than you think.If you have an idea about basic physics and can do multiplication, division, addition and subtraction. Congratulations! You’re half way there to be a pilot. All the best.
and whats the other half i need to learn and are you a pilot??
@@0kiix Basic training, required training, AME and time is all thats left.
All that computing power on a plane and you have to use a pen and paper for calculations ? Damn.
lesselp 🤣
What happens when the computer breaks?
zoidberg444 when does that actually happen
Because knowing math will at least an assurance that you will understand the physical concepts of flight from point of view of the engineer who designed the aircraft
If things go down, you cannot just look at a blank screen and say, shit.
Respect! As someone who just realized I want to become a pilot last Monday, the math and physics is the most terrifying part about this whole process (besides the money). This won’t stop me. Looks like I’m going to need to take math and physics courses. My least favourite subjects. But I finally have a REASON to use them. Thank you Dutch Pilot Girl!
~Marc
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Never give up
With the money part to basically get your pilot license for free join the airforce then leave the airforce once the training is done
@@zachunderwood9586 Gee. Why didn’t I think of that? I’ve never heard of the Air Force. I’ve also never heard of circumstances that would make it so one would either not be able to or not *want* to join a government entity.
Go for it! You'll be a pilot.
hope you are a pilot now
Great landing at the end
Dutchpilotgirl you make me more inspire becoming a pilot someday even though im not good at math. There is nothing impossible with God! I would go for it, and I know that I can!
You a pilot now?
I wanna be a pilot when I grow up
Me too😢😢😢
Me too
Cute
Me too but I hate maths and physics 😕😢😢😢
same
Thanks for the website recommendation, I just signed up. Need it for better understanding of math and physics for my cadet interview preparation. You are awesome!
Landing in the end of the video is a very good touch. Good video
*I love your channel, so great that you're representing and helping the student pilot side of aviation, as well as the female side* :)
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Great video as all your other ones and very informative! Thank you!
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You are a brave woman...the world needs a brave woman like you...well done.
awesome video as usual
thanx cp
Thanks for everything, you explain very well 😄
It's not just about the algorithmic side of things it's also about the ability to control a plane
flight school teaches you that
Planes are all about physics. One interesting case study is what happened with Kara Hultgreen's F-14 Tomcat. The F-14 Tomcat is a beast to tame, a very dangerous airplane that is given only to the best pilots for a reason.
Kara was flying F-14A variant which had a crappy engine. The F-14 has 2 engines and she was approaching the carrier. She was turning left and she overshoot the ILS centerline, so she tried to yaw and she had excess yaw, which caused a compressor stall, so she had asymetric thrust which adds rotation around vertical axis. What did she do? She engaged afterburner, making the rotation even worse.
Instead of using rudder to compensate rotation, she used the control column making things worse, AoA went too high, her left wing stalled and right wing lift rotated the plane. Copilot (RIO) pulled the ejection seat, and 0.4 seconds her seat ejected pointing below horizont and she did not make it.
The compressor stall happened literally at the worst possible moment.
The recommended steps to avoid her situation were:
Set a 10 deg pitch atitude on waterline without increasing AoA above 14 units
Rudder - opposite roll/yaw supplemented with lateral stick
Both throttles as required for positive rate of climb
Landing gear up (to reduce drag)
Even knowing what needs to be done, actually doing that in the simulator is tricky. If there is a compressor stall of an engine during final approach, with cross winds (to make it harder), it would worth practicing that in the simulator. It seems a bad situation and quite a challenge to solve.
It seems that keeping AoA under control in the first instant is key. Immediately after, rudder, the throttle for climb and instants later landing gear. Is it the same in your plane? Your plane should not be like that F-14A beast and you will not be landing on a carrier, and yet it seems an interesting scenario to practice as an intellectual exercise of physics in the sim. To me it looks like the most difficult and delicate scenario, aside of losing hydraulics and landing with engines only.
Thank You very much for the video. Have a blessed friday and Wonderful Weekend.
Very informative thanks.
You don't need maths and physics to be an airline pilot. You just need the basics of maths and physics, you will only go through it in your CPL and ATPL really. Other than that no stress I've been to a flight school and I don't have maths or physics yet I "CAN" be an airline pilot, you do not neccesasily need those subjects they make your training easy let's just say that. Everything is taught and you will be shown everything
Yes you don't need university degree of math&physics but some people struggle even with basic physic laws so it is important to make clear that you must not underestimate it
Javier Lopez wtf are u trying to say?
Javier Lopez dude with a lil effort and determination you don't need to be a smart ass person to complete ATPL theory and cpl u can still be a pilot
i love you!
thanks for clearing that up, the video made me really consider my dream as an airline pilot, since i suck at maths but excell at physics... weird
Waldotto yuh flight schools don't give a shjt about your marks I rather suggest u watch mentour pilot he speaks the truth from every angle and I've been to a flight school myself, if u have the money to pay and u really determined to be a pilot nothing is stopping you, flight schools won't care about your grades except the really well known ones
"Math and physics are very easy to learn."
Me: yes you bet its easy gurl
Easy with the right teacher. Had so many happy to just have us bury our noses in textbooks - no wonder I struggled. Need proper engagement - she could teach me well.
Something about a woman who's this Gorgeous and Intelligent gives me chills...
Much love for you Michelle! This what I waiting for such a long time? Could you expand a bit like what sort of maths like algebra and psychics like obviously aerodynamics 😎✈️👨✈️
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Download this excel chart, it's a program provided by a hungarian university so it may be a bit different elsewhere but I assume the vast majority of the requirements are the same. Based on the chart, there really isn't any super complicated maths, it's basic engineering level.
I did some digging to find the exact descriptions and in my country there's one university program that offers to teach the required theoretical knowledge up until the ATPL exam. This is the exact description for the subject in question:
[Math 1.]
"Combinatorial concepts. Permutation, combination, variation. The concept of a complex number. Algebraic and trigonometric form. Complex numbers (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, square root) operations. Vectoralgebra. Operations with vectors. Scalar and mixed multiplication of vectors. Matrix salculation. Matrix addition, subtraction, multiplication. Base transformation variant I. and II. Linear programming. Standard and modified normal LP problem. Real number sequences. Monotony and boundedness of sequences. Limits of sequences.
Theorems for sequences. Operations with sequences. Series. Convergence of series. Convergence criterias. Absolute and conditional convergence. Operations with series. Geometric series.
[Math 2]
"Properties of a function, limits. Differential calculus, difference quotient, elementary rules of differentiation. Taylor formulas, Maclaurin formulas. Studying the graph of a function. Integral calculus, concept of primitive function, Techniques for indefinite integrals, integration of rational functions. Definite integral of real-valued functions. Newton-Leibniz formula. Limits. Applications of integral calculus, area, volume and rectification calculation. Centroid. Differential equations:homogeneous and inhomogeneous first-order linear equations. Second-order differential equations. Probability theory: properties of probability measure. Conditional probability, law of total probability, Bayes's theorem. Random variables, discrete random variables, absolutely continuous random variables, probability distribution function, probability density function, the description of probability density function, expected value and its properties, variance and its properties, independence, covariance, Well-known discrete distribution and continuous distributions: Laws of large numbers. The bases of mathematical statistics: random sample, sample mean, sample median, sample variance, unit area histogram (for density estimate). Statistical tests."
The physics part is what to be expected, electronics, engineering level mechanics, optics, wave theory, thermodynamics, and physical chemistry. This may vary based on where you do your courses, but I expect it to be more or less in line with the aformentioned requirments.
As is typical in such courses, they were designed by Mathematicians. They course bears no relation to the real world requirements but does boost the ego of Mathematics specialists. I would judge the requirements as being: Arithmetic to excellent mental and paper levels. Euclidian Geometry. Vector Arithmetic and Geometry. Basic Probability and Statistics.
All the rest in those course lists is important for a Mathematician, Professional Engineer or Theoretical Physicist going forward with their career but will never be used by the Pilot Students of these courses after they have sat the examinations.
Before anyone gets up in arms that I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm a retired Graduate Physicist, Chemist, Electronic Engineer and Computer Systems Engineer. Been there, done that, got multiple tee-shirts! Oh, I forgot to add Video Producer - LOL.
this is bullshit. the only theoretical knowledge you need prior to ATPL is if you're running full speed towards a brick wall you'll hit your head and die. Everything else will be taught to you in common sense
Bravo, DutchPilotGirl! Very well explained. See you later!
Nice landing at the end :)
Really appreciate the talk👍
Wonderful video. Keep it up
Nice video , maybe and hopefully one of my sons would get into aviation and find this helpful. Both love math , science. Time will tell. Good guidance Michelle I’ll check out Skill Share.
How is it going now?? Are ur kids in aviation yet??
great video much respect from South Africa
If you fly at h=33,000 ft and you want to descent to destination at a slope angle a=3° , you must do: tg(a) = h/d. Then you must start your descent at a distance from destination d=h/tg(a). h=about 10 Km. Then d = about 190 Km = about 102 nm. So you must start your descent about 102 nm before destination. And your vertical speed will be vs= v*tg(a). So if your ground speed is v=250 kt, then vs= about 13 kt = about 1,300 ft/min. Of course, the faster your ground speed is, the faster your vertical speed is (if the slope angle stay constant). When I played my favourite videogame (fs), I didn't do any calculation and diveded height into 3 to determine the start of descent at a vertical speed of 2000 ft. For example, if h=36,000 ft, then start of descent d=120 nm. And it worked greatly. Of course, "it worked greatly" ON A VIDEOGAME (I underline: "VIDEOGAME"). :-)
Very good video, Thank you
Great video I really liked it great help
That was a clean and beautiful Landing. Keep the blue up :)
Mi piace Milano molto. Ho visitato Milano due volte. In fact I was so impressed by Italy that, I too, was inspired to learn Italian. I just returned from Europe and Amsterdam was my point of entry. I studied Nederlance prior to going but I had never been exposed to it and there’s just no way to get a feel for a language until you’re attempting to speak to a native speaker while looking the person in the face and listening to the real living language. Thank god my flight lessons are generally easier and more fun than language (not by much because deep down, people are a little scary with makes it an adventure).
Nice landing - DutchPilotGirl ! I'll bet your a good Pilot.
Beautiful!!..nice landing
YES. Flying by the seat of your pants are over. Your advice is mandatory. Great clip. Thanks.
Nice video, thanks for the knowledge that you share. I love it. More power to you & God bless you.
madam to be Airlines captain what have to study
I knew there was math and physics but I just didn't know the complexity/difficulty. If anyone could give me an example of the type of math that would help a lot. I just want to know what to expect because I'm not good at math at all. I hate it.
Just basics. Don't stress yourself too much. You can do it
@@daintyflygirl4va logarithms , statistics , physic laws ? What comes up and can we do flight training in a different country? Which one is cheapest for training and do ppl do generally good in the exams or is the exams hard??
@@Hedgeflexlfz and dou think young ppl should directly do into pilot training or first get a bachelors degree to get matured enough? And doig training from forign country good idea and isnit s good career or too stressful? Eyesight requirements? Can we do it after getting lasik surgery?
@@Hedgeflexlfz PLS HELP ME WHICH KIND OF PHYSICS I NEEDI SUCK AT PHYSICS I LOVE MATHS.....PLS TELL NE WHAT KIND OF PHYSICS I NEED SO THAT I CAN WORK ON THAT
bro if you can divide 300 by 3 you can be a pilot.
*tip: the answer is 50 *wink*
Thank you very much for information
Now im student in high school since physics
Ma'am , You are doing too good which help us a lot and a step to ameliorate the upcoming pilots but We want your videos of cockpit comprises of all the controls , their actions and instruments.
We're keen to learn new things and waiting for your next video.
I'm alright at maths but its one of my weakest areas but im very keen and eager to learn on how to operate an aircraft. I know quite a lot about airplanes more on the science side but the maths and Physics side I'm not so good at. I would like more advice and essential math formulas that a pilot must know
You’re videos are very detailed and descriptive. Thank you👍🏽
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Nice landing
Personally I have always wanted to be a pilot in major cargo airlines like DHL or Fedex. These large companies are very fond of profiles with university degrees especially in the scientific fields. When they saw that I had a Bachelor degree in Mechanical Engineering + 3000 flying hours in glider they immediately contacted me to tell me that they were interested in my profile. I passed the selections where I did everything excellently and a few months later I became an airline pilot officer at DHL on B757. So if I have any advice for you to focus on your studies and try to get the best possible degrees in the best possible schools and you will get there: D!
Hi DutchPilotGirl! I am a teacher in Maths and Physics. It is interesting to learn more about aviation, because there are a lot of Physics. Maybe I would have reeducated myself to a pilot if I was younger...
Never too late 👍
I'm from Italy and live in Turin. Able to give you Italian lessons if you want!!!LOL THX so much for the video and you have no idea how well scientific preparation is done in our high schools here. Maths is mandatory for every high school type here, Physics in the majority. I'm getting crazy because of numbers after 5 years!!!!!!
i'm kinda bad at maths tho, but i really wanna be a pilot.
thanks for this video!
KHAN ACADEMY is another alternative
i just kerbal space program it. way more fun
I'm watching this video from Milan, Italy (my home town) and when she said at 3:33 that thing I was like: What? Seriously? :-o
I couldn't believe it! Is she going to make some speeches or something like that, here, in Milan? XD
I just noticed you wear your watch on your right wrist. My question is to ask if you're left handed? I wear mine on the right as well. Love your site.
Hello!! would there be a need to perform and learn higher mathematical techniques such as linear calculus (integration and differentiation)?
You really did butter at the end
I wanna know the beginning topics and subject for training
I am from Egypt How can I get my training at a flight academy in Germany? How long should I start preparing before applying to a flight academy? knowing that I am in a business school right now
Will I need geography as a school subject since I didn't know what I wanted to do when I was choosing my subjects?
Even though I'm pretty sure they will take me in if I have a good maths and physics, especially with the shortage of pilots?
When I saw the intro I thought my internet connection was bad and UA-cam was trying to load the video
Hy Can u send a pic of that calculater
I'm 7/10 in Physics and 8/10(sometimes better) in Math. Should I worry about my possibility to become a pilot?
You're adorable..
Thanks for the information.
Thank you very much mam
Ok thanks for the info but do I need pure maths except maths?? Btw nice vid
THATs a no-brainer. (grins)...Oh, yeah, LOTS of math and physics...though I( have a problem with "lift" preferring to call it "push"...from experience...understand the idea though...
I am 14 and i chose physic, computer science,additional maths economics and accounting for O level.I plan to take computer science, Physics and maths as my principal subject for A level,can i still become a pilot without chemistry or an aeronautical engineer?I wont have any chemistry degrees
in France you have to be excelent to go in a pilot school, there is a real competiotion to become a pilot, only the very best ones can access to it
I'm a student who go the following grades Math C,physics D and geography C , I'm asking will I be able to be a pilot?
Which is the best aviation academy that offers a good captain training program?
You are looking for something non existent bro.
You get your licences and ratings, then apply for an airline, then actually get a job, then spend years as a FO in order to become a captain. There is no shortcut.
In Maths Pilot has Trigonometry and which other subjects
Heb jij je opleiding bij KLM Flight Academy gedaan? Of ergens anders?
I wanna be pilot sounds fun And theirs many nice people
Then if I am mechanical engineer, is it more easy to be pilot?
Can I training that pilot course wearing a pair of spectacles ?
Tnx
I am 14 years old I am planning to be a pilot I learned how to drive by books and I am training math and physics to get ready for the atp
What is physiometric test and apptitude test for cadeet pilot program make a video on it
Hi Mich....... hope all is well with you......
Nice Video....
Go on like this...
qsync • DxmmiDZN hy Man Can u help me m'y career is that to wt is ATPL un full
I had depression in the past, but not anymore at all, will I make it? Is that a big problem?
Girl please this website is takes all my money! Give some free advice 😂🙏 I want to start practicing my math and physics but not to pay for it
i am not very good at math and physics but still i passed ppl and now i am getting my atpl training i am not saying we don't need them , we need to learn but we don't have to be perfect. we should learn enough
This is all I needed to hear. Thanks very much for sharing❤
I agree with eUK95, this video, although informative seems to put people off being pilots, because it makes it seem much harder, more selective and unreachable than it really is. After doing a lot of research, specifically about the requirements of my country’s airlines (Australia) it is not as important to ace maths and physics as it is made out in this video. Other than that, it was a good video.
So... about flight school... does anybody know if Finland pays flight school? Becouse i know sweeden does
I like maths but my teacher this year is shit, he doesn’t explain anything and when he does explain it’s incomprehensible. Last year I got about 85/100 this year it’s at 45-50/100 points. Is gcse maths pretty much sufficient to becoming a pilot(if not I’m capable of doing a bit better but A level maths seems really complicated to me). I’m quite good in physics being at about 75/100 so no worries there. It’s just the maths that are hard, and I think it’s just to do with my teacher. Any advice would be very helpful.
If 50 plus numbers do not appear in Math then how will you apply in the pilot.
I don't care about physics theories and trigonometry. Most can understand those given enough effort. What I fear is stuff like calculus. Do u need to know calculus to do ATPL maths/physics?
Are 12th board marks important....if yes then how much pl...please tell..
Do after graduation can we approach for pilot training???
It was help full my dream is to Be a pilot
I can't stand Euclidean geometry,will I still learn about it in flight school?
What flight school did you attend?
For kids, math may be boring unless you love it. I have found parents in US use a tabletop game called "Battletech a game of armored combat" to keep their kids sharp in math for STEM careers. It is like some sort of chess with math. In that game kids must measure distances, converti situations into numbers, sum, convert numbers into locations and sometimes even using formulas. Rules in text format may seem intimidating for newcomers, so "Battletech fan" channel made a visual guide Lego instructions style, to make learning of kids easier. A parent in a group said a few days ago:"Its a very good learning tool. I played with my 8 year old and it forces him to think and use math, while having fun and strategizing."
So if you cannot find a way to love math, playing that game will make you like it. The game deals with internal hardware failures and requires attention to detail. You may find it very interesting.
Hi... I am from India. I have completed my engineering in computer science stream and I wanted to become a pilot.
I Want some more details about how to take admission in flying academy and from which courses I have to do through...
I guess being afraid of heights disqualifies a candidate 🥴. I had a friend who could not perceive depth due to an eye condition, but still flew small planes.
Mam i am from india......i have fear of maths &physics ....my ambition is to become pilot ....plz tell me the way to fear out....i am in 8 class