The Curious Case of the Chinese Win Rate ft. TaToH
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- I noticed something very strange in the stats about how often Chinese win, and thought I'd investigate it a bit further. In the end I decided to call in Tatoh for an interview to hear a pro player's perspective about it, as well.
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I've actually found that the Chinese winrate is exactly the same as the winrate for every other civilisation. 0%.
I am very bad at this game.
Same :-(
Been playing since AOK. I'm still trash as well. Working on beating a hard computer consistently!
@@jam34786 That's the spirit
I know how that is I half expected to see me as the main reason the Chinese have such a low win rate
I am as bad, but the last game I won was as chinese so they are really good, and towers and chu ko nu are OP.
Nice, I think getting topplayers as a really good addition to this channel! Hope we see some more!
Agreed! This reminded me of how he interviewed one of the creators of the original AOE 2 AI in one of his videos few months ago.
Naaahh, just Tatoh, who is super chill and easygoing. The rest are a bunch of arrogant stiffs full of themselves, they'll never give this guy an interview.
@@dondeestaCarter Are the top level players really that isolated from the community that they wouldn't know of spirit of the law and these sorts of videos? That kind of arrogance is not the impression of top level players that I've gotten from watching t90 videos. Albeit the most recent pro player game I saw was mbl vs daut where daut fell for the old "has advanced to the imperial age" trick. Not even correctly spelled or punctuated either.
@@DaddyMouse oh hey its the guy I was talking about my kid self forest nothing memories with lol.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of top players who would participate in a SOTL video^^ They are very well connected with the comunity - I mean e.g. a bunch of them streams regulary^^ And TBH not sure if Donde is trolling or not 11
Thanks for subtitles under Tatoh's words. His English is excellent but the bad audio quality made it hard to hear what he said.
Yeah they came in handy to me as well cause I was eating some chips on top of that lol.
I can understand his English but sometimes I can't
Yes his English is very good, but he does speak (understandably) with a heavy accent that can be hard to properly understand first time go around.
@@Tapiola666 True, as a Spanish I can say he has a fluent English but his accent is too heavy even for me
He speaks too quickly, it would be a lot simplier to understand if he spoke a little slower.
Spirit of the Law: Been making noobs feel like pros since 2015.
Love you SOTL.
😂 fucking right I’m viper now
"still sounds like a great correlation to any of you social science majors" that burn
I noticed that too! Goddamn the hard sciences.
I was like:”Daamn, shots fired” when I heard that!
LOL, same
I don't really see how it is a burn. It is a high correlation in this context. What is high depdens on what is being studied. By the very nature of what is being studied, most social sciences will naturally have lower correlation.
@@evil001987 found the arts major lol
Barely even play AOE2 any but I love this channel
Same. I literally played only 3 games online. But I still watch this :D
I only played it 17 years ago and never online (I didn't even know how to read at the time)
@@VonKuro Same,the last time I played this game was when I was eight or seven.Good times.
Chinese start takes a lot of micro to get right. It's the most difficult to minimise idle time for. Lower level players simply can't take advantage as much.
As soon as you're good enough to not be a vil behind the bonus will be pretty good as there are vils out longer gathering res. However the lack of starting food can not be compensated for fully no matter how good of a start. That's why the chinese don't favor drush + FC strats. You'll see them often go feudal.
@Bat Orgil me too
+3 vill, -200 food just becomes -200 food when I use the Chinese
@@majungasaurusaaaa you literally use your starting food to make vills if you stick them all on sheep from the get go then by the time you finish researching loom you'll be able to start making more vills
@@majungasaurusaaaa Assuming you have a villager lead, that lack of starting food can be compensated for.
Noting that in reality it is only a -50 food cost, as 150 of the 200 goes to the 3 villagers, that would mean if you manage to keep a 1 villager lead, the food is paid off for in less than 3 minutes. The wood cost is similar.
So as long as you keep a 1 villager lead, the resources are paid off within 6 minutes, or 9 if you also include the cost to build a farm.
And the time when you have a 2 or 3 villager lead just further reduces that time.
There is also the advantage of the extra villagers at the start meaning less decay on the meat.
The reason they don't go for a drush is because that is very early on. You should have your militia near the enemy village before you are compensated for the lower resources.
Now it's time to make a video on AoE2: DE
indeed!!
I bet there will be balance change too so Spirit is gonna review EVERY civilization again yaaaaay
Screw communists :)
Hell yeah !
@@rythmjc3 i doubt that
I would chalk up the difference between Chinese win rates among pros and everyone else to three things;
1. Pros better use the early Chinese economic bonuses to snowball their economy.
2. Pros make better use of the wide variety of unit options the Chinese tech tree grants.
3. Pros are far better at microing the Chu-ko-nus to devastating effect.
Can you please do more Campaign vs. history?
YES YES YES
1:49 3:13 guitar suddenly plays in my head
so disappointed they don't :(
@@n1n3dk watch other SOTL videos, it's about the intro music
@@n1n3dk Tatoh is spanish
Experts play differently than noobs, so can take great advantage from original advantages. Pretty sure "white have a advantage in chess" is null for chess noobs.
white is racially superior in chess
@@schmeed0000 In Go, its the black. And white player has extra three points to compensate.
In the end tho; pro chess games still are:
Play black: be wary as fuck, try to foresee enemy plays
Play white: still be wary as fuck, try to foresee enemy plays
Me: Okay that's enough statistics learning for today, let's watch some UA-cam.
Spirit of the Law: Rank Correlation...Chi-Square
Me: Okay let's do some more statistics!
imagine making statistical tests and spreadsheets about a game made 20 years ago. That's some real dedication and a testament to the game's quality.
This is a game for the ages, for sure...
Always top quality content! And Tatoh as a guest is awesome
Tatoh gives amazing commentary!
I really liked that you interviewed a top player on this instead of speculating on why.
What Tatoh said about the diffrent Maps is really important. A year ago most standard maps and Arabia variations introduced the starting sheep under the TC which should limit annoying RNG and that really helpen Chinese. When before they clipcked Feudal Age with 0,5-1 Vil advantage (with a small propability of a complete titanic in Dark Age) now they have consistently 1-2 vil advantage which is a huge deal.
On lower leves the 1 vil is not that huge and the start is not so sharp that it makes a huge diffrence if they have the sheep or not. if they even have the maps that have the starting sheep. i bet most players on 1600 dont.
Jokes you used a Chi-Square test in this 😂 Dissertation on AOE2 ??
That extra arrow attack with the Chuks is like square. Seems like there are more shooters than there are...
I love to know that a pro like Tatoh is willing to help you ... excellent video, as always!
Many pros understand that the games they thrive at don't exist without a strong community to support them (which UA-cam is good for helping to build). Anything they can do to bolster game popularity can eventually help their pocketbook, and a healthy community also gives you more people to compete against/learn from. It's also great karma to give back to something that gives you value.
He nailed it early on with the pro maps that they've been using... Having a sheep under your TC to begin with eliminates so much stress and allows them to capitalise on the six villager start.
As a social science undergrad I am a big fan of this video, great work Spirit!
That was such a good stab at the discipline, I love it.
Spirit of the Law, please do a video on the hussar upgrade. Why is it so expensive, when is it useful?
Its shit
Why upgrade to Hussars? You trade speed atk speed for more health and damage when in reality you’re just getting worse light cavalry in the long run. Sure they hit the hardest, but what are you doing throwing them at knights and pikes when you should be putting them to killing siege and archers? Wasting them.
It's the only trash unit that can do decently against a lot of the gold units. Amazing raiding tool; as a such, having a bit more HP makes the raids last that much longer. You'll want to produce a shit ton of them if it comes to late game, so it's worth the upgrade if it comes to that. Upgrading gold units is obviously the priority when you have enough of it.
interview the Viper next please! nice vid
AOE 2 pro player: Chinese are very good when fighting Aztecs in Arabia.
Everyone not into AOE 2: WTF?
Starting with one sheep close to the TC makes a huge difference. If you start producing villagers ~15s later, you do not only delay your seventh villager, but you also delay every single one that follows after. Therefore you`re not losing only 15s villager work time but 15s for every single villager.
Yeah I think this was undersold a bit. Would also have been nice to mention which maps these are, maybe with some links in the description.
I would say Chinese on El Dorado is one of the most OP civs since you start with all that fish next to your TC, plus instead of 3 vills working, you have 6 vills gathering food right off the bat, giving you crazy vill leads and Feudal times.
Pretty sure Chinese is doing good because their parents tell them to not to go home before they become -doctors- number 1
China numba wan!
_China numba two_
@Hoàng Nguyên welcome to the rice field :D
The only complain that I have is that you used a real picture of TaToH and not a picture of a dorito
That's racist. But it's not illegal to be racist. Carry on.
@@Lucas_Jeffrey Dey terk er jerbs!
The hindsight of Tatoh here was insane, and it really explains how little things make the potential of a Civ vs the difficulty to execute it
extremely interesting topic and video format, as always you're just top notch
Hey Spirit, quick question.
Do you have a statistics degree or do you just enjoy math ?
These statistics are pretty much required for any science/engineering major really. Usually, the math school will have 3 courses that cover stat, one for the math major, one(or as a half of a combined course) for other people who need math to survive, And they may or may not have one for everyone else. Moreover, each sci/eng major will have their own course that talks intensively about the application of stat in their own field.
He mentions on a video (I believe one of the Q&As) he has two or three degrees in science, I can only recall math (or psychology? maybe both) tho
@@palebears8913 Not only hard sciences or engineering. Most sociel studies rely heavily on statistics. Even if you specialize in qualitative methods in something like sociology, you still have quite heavy stistics courses during your education. Many sociologists, political scientists or other students of human societies specialize in statistics.
@@Taeerom Ok. I hereby acknowledge that sociology and political science are real science and those who study them know and use math.
@@palebears8913 That's probably one of the worst quirks of the English language, making science to just be the hard sciences.
I much prefer the construction used by for example German. There, any rigorous and systematic academic research is wissenshafft, essentially the same word as science.
6:45 is "usually" and not "not really" i think
Marketing tip: next time you have a pro player on, put them on the title.
I wasn't really gonna watch this one (topic didn't really interest me) but ended up doing it anyway cuz I was kinda bored.
However, if I had seen "ft. Tatoh" or " with Tatoh interview" or something similar in the title I would've clicked when I first got the notification lol.
Keep it up, amazing video as always. +++ for the subtitles.
This man, he speaks the truth.
Spirit doesnt need "marketing tips" he can put the tittle or hes videos anything what he want.
its now there lol
Dat Tatoh (old) file photo...
heavyreynald what does he look like now?
I strongly advice you to google it and you will get a better answer than a written one.
@@heavyreynald - Fuck that.
0ThrowawayAccount0 - Imagine a storm from the eyes of gentle soul, unkempt as one would expect from a man who lives at his screen, but, yea, not _so_ unkempt as to repulse. A comfortable roundness has set in around the cheeks and jaw but time has hewn his brow and temples; those youthful hints of a beard and mustache have matured into mildly bushy dark colors and stubble. His hair has remained as understated yet unpredictable as his tactics and age has done nothing to quell its subtlety nor chart its future course. His shirt has been cast across the back of an armchair in our Spanish apartment and its collar is jostled by a warm sea breeze through the open balcony doors. I am naked on the bed and waiting in anticipation.
"Hola," he says, voice like liquid victory, "Listo para ver mi nave de demolición?" As he unzipped his pants I couldn't help but notice his package had swolen five-
-shit. Wait.
Um.
Yeah you should probably just google what he looks like.
Tried to warn you, cause I know how describing a Tati ends like...
@@lettuceprime4922 that was beautiful. Thank you
You did a Chi(nese)-Square test, nice.
So +3 villager is better for high level player because they can use the bonus to the maximum potential rather than lower level player
yes
no only that, high elo player utilize every chinese bones, they all work together so well that pros often can pick up the civ and make the play they palnned. discounts, farm bones, extra villages, reletively open tech tree.
nothing really snignificant if you think of those bones, but they just work so well on one civ.
I think the maps were a bit undersold here. Starting with a sheep directly below the TC makes a massive difference.
@@freefallintoflames true
@El Bottoo i do sorry mate
Will you upload a civs review in AOE2 DE version after it release?
There is a suspicious lack of maths in this video. Are you feeling alright, Spirit?
Lol
Correlations and the Chi-Square test not doing it for ya?
There was only a little bit of math, but it was a good math.
@@OytheGreat Mere morsels!
2 possible reasons:
- Chinese players, which are top gear players, tend to be patriotic when playing, hence the difference in statistics.
- Noobs don't know how to use this civ.
It's mostly the second lol
By your logic, Chinese players would self-sabotage when playing as Japanese because of their patriotism.
@@dirkstrickland135 proper logic, but your response is wrong. They would be patriotic, but not that stupid.
I understand it's a history meme, I would think they would reflect more modern approach.
Pretty sure the bulk of Chinese players are under 2000. You could flip the argument on its head and say their crap ranking is because so many chinese use them.
Waiting for a video on aoe2 definitive edition
Great Video! Could you please make a video about AoE 2 DE it looks amazing!
I knew this all along. Thanks for confirming, Spirit of the Law and TaToH! There had to be reasons why the Chinese civilization was chosen so many times in Hidden Cup 2.
I really like the style of this video. Sometimes pure stats and math seem a little lifeless but the opinion of a pro player can bring up some viewpoints that you might have not thought about. Pls bring more interviews if you can
Its very important to change/mix composition of units over time. IMHO chinese can switch/mix units much better. So, they have insane range units and they easily can be covered with halbs. In late game they can very easy add cavalry for raiding
About the AoE 2 coming soon 4k version
Hey spirit, please review about AoE II Definitive Edition. Thank you
The amount of statistics in this video brought back PTSD from maths stats lessons. All that variance, hypothesis testing and standard deviation
As an economist I am offended at the .68 correlation , I would be glad for a 0.01 correlation
a major issue is that onagers are the only cost effective counter to cho-ku-nu 40 of them beat cost effectively anything including heavy and light calvery
Pretty sure Huskarls are a cost effective counter to Cho-ku-nu, but the odds of a Goth player ever getting a good number of Huskarls out against a skilled Chinese player in a pro-level game are probably nonexistent.
@@thehermeticgamer3736 Depends on a lot of factors, like map, playstyles, and overall flow of the game. Example game: ua-cam.com/video/j-hPHhBRiz0/v-deo.html
It's funny you say that, because according to the same Voobly stats website, Goths have a ~60% win rate against Chinese, so they more often than not able to get to their infantry flood up and running to kill the Chinese.
@@thehermeticgamer3736 that somthing i havent tested however do to minimum damage, a cho-ku-nu does 5x more damage to a huskarl than other archers (5 vs 1)
@@radiationpony8449 Spirit of the Law does a lot of Huskarl testing for his Goths faction overview. They tear Cho-ku-nu to pieces. As well as handcanons and scorpions.
It's not just a question of being able to damage the Huskarls. Five damage is nothing against a unit that does almost three times that base, gets a fat bonus vs archers to boot and attacks faster, combine that with the speed, HP and price of Huskarls and things are not going to go well for the Cho-Ku-Nu.
Sure, Cho-Ku-Nu are probably the one archer who do the best against them (perhaps excluding handcanons, though I think if you factor in the price difference and the handcanon's inaccuracy they're probably on about equal footing here) but they still don't translate to a cost-effective counter.
Once the Huskarls get close it's all she wrote, and you're talking post imp stats when the Goth player can build Huskarls in seconds from every barracks while the Chinese player had to build multiple castles to spam Chu-Ko-Nu, so yeah they're absolutely going to get in close unless the Chinese player has a huge eco bonus.
But like I said, given how strong Chinese are in Fuedal compared to Goths they will have that eco bonus and be finishing the game in early castle age if we're talking about pro players in an open 1V1. If it goes to Imperial at all I'd bet real money it will only be for the Chinese player to to a forward a castle, grab some Trebuchets, and finish things off. Certainly not going to be seeing any post-imp Huskarl spam unless there is a big skill gap.
@@Voider6211 60% win rate across all games wouldn't surprise me. Most players aren't pros, and civs with a lot of late-game power tend to do very well in games with less experienced players, in team games, on closed maps, etc.
But straydog played a good game there. I would argue that he used Goths perfectly, but still had a lot of luck with sheep, killing his enemies scout, and some bad early plays with him not scouting around his resources to watch for towers even when he knew the other guy was using them. Still well played. Imho, especially his scouting which, I would argue, won him the game in some respects. I think if you're playing Goths in a serious game (and that, in and of itself, is kind of an oxymoron, but serious in the sense of two skilled players on an open one vs. one) then playing defensively and trying to boom (no offence to Spirit of the Law's advice in his Goth overview here) will get you toasted as almost every civ in the game has major eco bonuses over you unless you're making use of your cheap infantry, which you need to start doing as early as possible and continue doing throughout the game, as in this game with a drush quickly backed up by spears, skirms, and towers. Towers I always thought was a good move for Goths against any archer civ since you'll want stone to lay down a castle the instant you can either way.
But for all their statistical advantages on paper with top-tier micro I'd put my money on scouts, or even villagers and archers vs. militia or even men-at-arms, spears (even at Goth prices) and skirms because even two or three scouts or villagers can keep the skirms from firing while dancing around the spears (or the archers can focus them down and retreat) due to the skirms minimum range then the archers are free to kite and focus down the militia/men-at-arms. While the effect of raiding with infantry can really be limited with good town-planning and fast walling in of resources. Which is especially telling in a raid-counter-raid scenario. Imho, I've never been a skilled player (though I know what skilled play looks like) and even I would rather have men-at-arms (or militia especially) and skirmishers in my base than archers and or scouts. MAA's/Skirms can bully your villagers off resources sure, but those vills can go harvest somewhere else, even if it does cost you a new camp, and rarely will the MAAs have the numbers to kill camps quickly enough to make it a worthwhile trade, while Skirms need huge numbers to really kill vills. Of course idling enemy villagers is good, but scouts, and especially archers, in contrast, will not only kick vills off resources but can actually kill many, and that's way more devastating.
Crazy person see's title: "HACKERS!!! THEY'RE ALL HACKERS I TELL YOU!!!" and "PAY TO WIN CONFIRMED!!!"
Anyway.... On to the video.
1:36 taking jabs at social science peps
A new overview of Slavs, Franks and Teutons please with those grades.
Chinese are good as long as you don't T90Farm
Is there is huge skill gap between 1500-2000 compared to 2000+?
Because I would imagine the position getting higher as the skill increases, but not a sudden jump like that.
Great video! I would really like to get more opinions of 2k+ players on the civs. They have so much interesting input, if you are playing the game!
Hmm, this gave me a bit to think about. (I would be on the lower end rating for sure and as I mentioned before, I chose to main chinese civ because of your suggestion.) I already knew Chu Ko Nu were very strong. However, I never really thought about scouts as something to go into. (Makes sense with the farm bonus.) Also, I must have missed/forgot about the HP on Bombard Towers. I honestly thought Byzantines would have the most overall. (I was wrong. I should consider making more of those as well.) As for the cheaper techs thing, I used to wait on them but a friend told me, you are better off getting them ASAP. (Tatoh seems to agree.) It still can be a nice backup for lower rated players to get them later for cheaper in case they forget or something forces them to age up first without them. Anyway, thanks for the video SotL. :D
It makes perfect sense. The Chinese are just a really difficult civ to play, so the best players are able to leverage their power while nobody else can keep up with their fucked up early game differences.
This video was really interesting, could you interview more ro players in the future? Your input in the interview was also spot on with what I would have asked. Thanks a lot Spirit of the Law!
I never post comments on UA-cam but I have to say thanks for the amazing videos. I've found your channel like 2 weeks ago and have been watching your stuff every day, not even joking. You're fucking amazing man keep up the great work :)
why don't you?
That is not AoE2:Definitive edition discussion video)
Hope to see it soon
**Plays Huns war**
Chinese somehow win 11
This is insane. You brought me straight back to Energy Data Analysis - a master level statistics course for my business school!
By the sounds of it: Chinese are very anti-meta. So as the natural skill rises, the power of being anti-meta grows exponentially
Interesting, that's why even their tech tree is so weird and unfair (like the lack of gunpowder units no crop rotation and no block printing), no one wants to change it, not even a little buff as adding block printing
Great Chinese overview thank you Tatoh. Also Spirit your hearing is strong lol
"is still at 0.64, which still sure sounds great to your social majors out there"
I died.
400 games could just mean 1-2 really good Chinese only players (one tricks or almost one tricks) who play arabia at slightly higher than 2000.
Like imagine player ChineseOnlyPro69 , plays 300 games on arabia where you can pick civs over the course of 5 months, and has a rating of 2100. Most of his opponents are 1800-2100 and he has a winning winrate against them and gets 56%. He can pull up the average significantly.
Most ranked games are played with random civs, or with a drafting system for several matches. There's not really such a thing as maining only one civ at a high level.
Are you a Math Teacher or something spirit?
If not, consider it xD
I feel like the correlation should be done on winning percentage, rather than on the rankings. Ordinal data isn't as good for statistical analysis, since you could have several rankings that are super close together followed by a big gap between two of them, but just sorting by rank order doesn't allow for this in the analysis.
Combining the math from the game + the output of playing it: great video
i am 1650 and have experience losing to weaker opponents when i have Chinese.
reason: it is a defensive civilization i think
despite being in good position i cant push / clean effectively.
yes i can stall their aggression but its about time .
simply i dont know how to win with chinese.
Please make a video about Age Of Empires 2 : Definite Edition!
He probably will since he mentioned it in the Age Of Empires 1: Definitive Edition but as of yet we don't have much to talk about, they said some stuff about what's going to come out in DE but as of now we only have a few screenshots, so nothing worthy to talk about yet.
@@Leo.V And a trailer from E3! Don't forget that. Also that it will be released around fall this year (Also from E3). Just google E3 aoe2 definitive edition.
@@mrkirby8622 There's not just a trailer, some gameplay from the E3 demo as well. Additionally, there will be an interview with the lead dev tomorrow at 17:45 GMT iirc.
@@freefallintoflames There is??! FUCK I missed that!!! I'll be checking it out right now! If I won't make the deadline for my project it's on you tho 😘
The rapid scrolling in the background gave me a headache.
As a stats major, i appreciate the Chi-square test for association :)
Man tatoh sounds exactly like unai Emery :D
hahahahahahaha that spanish accent😂
Good ebening
Goodebening
Theres one exception...
But not the Mongols:(
Give some love to mongols they are way better in 1900 elo rating than in 1700
TaToh and Spirit? Whooop!
Spirit Of The Law feat Tatoh drops the most bangin vids
Chi square test, p value damnnnn!!! Teach me the statistics Sensei 🙏🙏🙏
I have no idea why I'm subscribed and watch and enjoy literally every one of your videos. I don't even play this game. I'm so confused.
I really appreciated Tatho’s comments. Good work spirit, hopefully in the future you could invite some other high ranking players to discuss strategies and points of view. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I want to know what's your reaction to AOE2 Definitive Edition that was announced at E3 :)
Literally his previous video. 👍
@@irtijaadib42069 which is AOE not AOE2 gamescom nor on this year E3
DE was announced in 2017.
@@Tempires Oh that one. Whoops. My B. Yeah Spirit should get on it.
I see the like, I hit the Spirit
You used the Chi-Square Calculator for the Chinese.
0:05 Huh? Chinese don't get bombard cannon!
Probably conversions
wow a chi square test hahahah never thought i'd see that again
Quality content here, didn't expect anything less from SOTL. Not only he provided some very interesting statistics, he also interviewed one of the top players to add even more value to the video. This is why we love you SOTL (just please include the intro next time, we love it too)
This video perfectly highlights how high is the skill floor AND the skill ceiling for the Chinese. Loving it!
SotL, what is your opinion on the newly released HD version of AoE2?
From all these pro videos, I think what's clear is that you need an accent to win.
As chess grandmaster Ben Finegold says, if you can't pronounce the player's name he's probably really good
Always used to wait to research any techs til imperial as a kid. Lucky the standard ai didn't punish me for it
I always did that too... How times change.
Im finishing my 3rd year in statistics and found it hard to keep up haha
Chinese
1500 AC: 22th
1700 AC: 20th
1900 AC: 27th
2021 AC: 2th
I see a new SOTL video, I watch it, I'm a simple man
Byzantines are awesome, just not in Arabia. And arabia is boring. I'll stick to Rivers, Continental, Highlands and Yucatan.
I love this video and NOT only because I'm Chinese! You da best man!
It's funny. Waaayyyy back when AoE2 came out (we're talking 2000 here), I said Chinese were one of the most powerful civs (alongside Franks, Saracens, Mongols, and Byzantines...I also said Celts and Vikings sucked, so take that with a grain of salt, lol).
And really, the only reason I said that was because I was winning in LANs by spamming Cho Ko Nus, Onagers and Rams with quick-techs vs mainly Britons and Teutons. (we did virtually no scout rushing because we had no idea how powerful it was for commerce raiding or vs archer rushes, lol)
20 years later, my intuition was correct, even if my personal performance against skilled players never reflected that.
What a consolation prize. -_-
p value doesnt mean anything, spirit. It assumes that your model is the only possible state in the universe. If your p value is low it doesnt really tell you anything. Google p value wrong if you're interested, theres a good article by towards data science abt it. Awesome video!
I'm getting very bad flashbacks of statistics exams
Good video, anyway!
I am waiting to see teutonic knights and boyars in the Definitive Edition😍
Boyars were already shown