PSA Graded This 1st Ed Base Charizard With A Fake Stamp
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Looking back at the fake 1st edition base stamps that were added to shadowless Pokemon cards and authenticated by grading companies. The primary example in this video being the PSA graded Charizard that Fazool purchased.
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Maybe the only real Charizard's left, are the friends we made along the way.
Niceeee
Like that
Hahahha
This just went so deep so fast!
I feel like I’m more protected just buying and inspecting raw cards at this point. Insane.
The old graded Chard Lizard scam.....gets them everytime!
The fact that PSA themselves is trying to cover up an error on their tells me enough, I don’t trust a single grading company at all right now and instead I’m buying graded cards myself from other people to save the huge price and hassle alone. But your video just opened my eyes that I gotta be extra careful when doing so
Your distain for grading companies and graders is so enjoyable and cathartic
Thanks man. I was once feeling a little fomo not owning any PSA slabs even though I've always been a binder collector. These videos make me feel confident in my decisions 🙏🏼
No shame in binder collecting!
I like being able to feel my cards in my hand. Ill keep everything ungraded unless I'm only looking to sell which I never plan on doing anyway lol. I've never sold a single card
You say this but if you get a graded card I guarantee it will become one of your favorites if not favorite.
@@JohnDoe-xq8sk but where do you put them? In a box? I like going through binders. Not sifting through cards unless it's my bulk. Personally. And if I had one thst wouldn't be enough. And I don't care enough for how expensive they are vs raw
@@TrEverEvoy yeah in a box. I personally like it opening my mini stash of graded cards of high value and being able to look at them and hold them with out fear of messing up a very valuable card. I have a couple different charizards graded and I'm happy I did. Besides that I dont like binders cuz cards slip around so much when looking at them. Even if double sleeved.
Great vid! I usually take for granted that psa means don’t have to worry about condition or authenticity but after this I’m going to look at my slabs and do my homework prior to future purchases. Thanks
Thanks for all the content Rattle! I love waking up every morning to enjoy another video and cup of coffee.
This is also messing with the pop reports out of psa. This is a disaster! Great work rattle!
dang that is wild about the zard, glad to see your channel get alot more recognition. you always make interesting and fun vids:) have a great day bro!
I appreciate that you always have the best and latest information on this sort of thing
It's an old story but important one.
@@RattlePokemon it's news to me 😅 I'm not on e4 or any discords, so channels like yours keep me informed
PSA somehow looks worse and worse the more I hear about them.
It's grading in general. If you want graded cards, you should check them yourself as well.
Excellent video Rattle! Back in 2017 i bought a bunch of psa 10 base set 1st ed. Shadowless cards from ebay. Kinda scary cards like that charizard can get by psa like that. I'm gonna have to doublecheck my cards lol.
I once bought a Shining Magikarp 1st Edition on eBay and sent it to PSA. It came back as an 8 and when I looked at the card a little while later, I noticed something which I thought would be inking. Like when someone tries to cover up whitening on the card. But then I thought, that at that time inking was not really known to be a thing in Pokémon, it was a bigger issue in MtG. And also, if it was actually inking, they would have certainly caught it I thought. Now I'm not so sure anymore...
Different blue on the back edge? If so you can check the core to see if any of it bled in.
this is why nobody should be taking the graders seriously. or sending in cards to be graded. they have been paying for expertise that the graders obviously dont have.
Ok but what is the alternative
Great video Rattle. Always so informative.
Nice vid great info. Cool seeing you on pk channel last night was fun
Always good advice and video. Do you have any recommendations regarding a good microscope to use ( not grader quality many hundreds of pounds / dollers) but better quality than a jewellers loupe?
I'm just absolutely stunned by the audacity of this company. They are ruining their business as well as the second hand market for all TCG's. Once this gets more attention then all the communities will have a realization that these pieces of cardboard aren't worth what we think they are.
This blows my mind. If we can’t trust graded cards…I’m not sure what it means.
Means that even if you want graded cards you should know how to check them yourself.
@@RattlePokemon for sure. I guess I meant what does it mean for the graded card market?
@DeanBetamberine do they grade cards?
@@pikabreww You'd look at how expensive and how intricate actual art certifying is, and then ask how anyone expects random minimum wage workers to go through thousands of cards daily hitting quotas that you pay $10 or whatever for the service lol. Do you know the amount of time and skill investment is needed to be an "expert" at anything? You're just paying some kid to hit a checklist and hopefully care. It's a job. Everyone thinks "but but cool pokemon cards" it's just a job. Your card is another tiny piece of another paycheck.
I worked at a weed manufacturing facility and we got paid $23 an hour to weight it and shove it in bags. They were constantly underweight, overweight, stems, you name it because there was thousands of kg to get processed and it would be processed.
The only point of grading is for money laundering and pump and dump auctions
Always great work Rattle 👊👊
They aren't going to take responsibility for their mistake. Had a card graded psa 10 and they damaged it while encasing it.
I graded with another company and they like to use a shield, a tight fit. I use a loop and I went over the card obsessively, and they knicked it.
Has CGC had any of this happen to them? A history video on such incidents would be sick
At this point, I haven't seen any fake stamps from CGC but there might be some out there.
brooooo you look like the skippy character of edd bassmaster !!!! xDDDD but honestly, good videos! i and many others appreciate the work you do! respect!
Videos are always 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯%
Great work 🇨🇦
As a longtime MTG player/buyer/collector, have had a 30x loupe for a long time (along with a bright flashlight to see through cards). I only collect Zapdos and now Greninja Pokémon cards, but don't know enough about the 1st Ed stamp to even look for issues with my loupe. Glad you are making these videos, so people from other hobbies buying Pokémon can be informed. I will have to take a look at my 1st Ed Zapdos cards now... was picking them up a few years ago when they weren't too expensive, but you never know.
Edit: I should expand too... the reason for Zapdos is because I had a tourney winning Zapdos-Electrode deck when 1st edition was released. I stopped playing after Team Rocket. Of course, sold my whole 1st Ed + WotC Pokémon collection about 10 years ago...
Doesn't hurt to check them.
@@RattlePokemon for sure... thanks to your info, know a bit more what to even look for haha
@DeanBetamberine definitely worth collecting for me. Cheap now and if it goes up, then that is icing. I would target older cards if you are looking for better & more sure returns. Haven’t gotten into the investing side of Pokémon, but have heard there are a lot of better targets than the Zapdos reprint. A gorgeous card that I am happy to have a few copies of though.
i literally sent your last vid to my friend as soon as you posted it and said "just wait til people buy up all the shadowless holos to do this"
Thoughts on the new renata champion in leauge 👀😁😁😁🔥🔥🔥 and as usual a banger video!!!
So I buy a PSA 10 Charizard for 300K & found out it was a fake is PSA going to refund the person?
I doubt it. They'll just refund the price of thr grading
Use a high res scanner and a cheap(free) pixelcounter. You can count the pixels between 2 point you choose. And compare. You can use it to make very accurate measurements and comparisments of cardsizes.
If you look over the whole card for micro scratches the surface where the stamp lays would be a surface. 100% of the surface corners, edges. Everything is to be checked flawlessly.
I recently rebuilt my collections and I’ve discovered so much scammy awful stuff … this makes me so sad here I thought PSA graded cards were a sure bet.. super sad to see
Excellent work 👍
How many cards are like this? The whole market is poisoned who can say how many people have been burned
Psa getting smoked more than a rack of ribs at Montana restaurant lately
It sucks that people have to try to scam anything that is valuable. That’s why I only by packs from card stores or big box stores. I feel like you’re less likely to get scammed with them🤷🏽♂️
It's crazy how much psa been slacking over the years Tca has stacks of psa slabs that are mis graded they seem to be getting worse I believe because they horsing so many people for the demand and stuff like this slips by new comers never been a psa fan never will be just my 4 cents keep up the great content man your going places !!
the bigger a company gets the less they care PSA use to actually catch fakes and i think at one point wouldn't put fakes in slabs unless the person wants them too with a grade 1. these days cuz there so big and also far behind on there backlog they dont care about authentication or grading they just wanna go through them and there getting lazy with there grades too.
Their slabs remind me of our traffic warning signs. Such poor design.
@Rattle Pokemon So what should you do if you have a card that needs to be graded because I'm considering selling? It's worth much more when graded.
You can always check it yourself before sending it in.
OMG 😱 very scary 😦 old psa slab can't imagine how many people bought fakes in the last 2 years. Bringing my diamond magnification scope to every pick up. PSA should definitely buy the fake for a template for future reference.
Hopefully most of the others were retrieved/removed from the market.
Dude you could make a csi-esque type show or movie for Poké f ups and scams with all your research and findings. People would def tune in just like they are now.
Looks like my base just became a first edition! No, I don't even get my cards graded or fully trust their opinions. I have a small collection as a memory from being a kid collecting when they first came out in 1999 trading and battling at Barnes and Nobles on weekends, school etc. I trust Rattle's opinion more than PSA and most graders
I have a PSA 4 graded Psyduck from Sun and Moon Base with a smudged 1st edition stamp. I'm starting to get worried!
😂🤣
Every time you say that you feel a 1st edition stamp can't be replicated, a horrible part of me says, "Challenge accepted!" 👀 Not because I'm interested in selling fake cards, but more because I think with the right bit of knowledge and effort, it would be possible to make that stamp. It just gets my maker brain thinking.
I can understand PSA not wanting to admit it to not ruin their reputation. I would have more respect for them though if they involved authorities and put the guy in jail. They have his information.
Wow this is literally insane! I can’t imagine being in that position
I have ...it was awful I drove 16 hrs
@@steveenczi1981 I’m talkin about the stamp😂
I have a PSA 9 1st Edition Charizard and I only realised mine was fake stamp last week. I had to ask around and inspect it closely and it is indeed fake. I've contacted PSA but I live in Australia. I'm still awaiting for their reply as I had to submit a Quality Assurance form through their website.
Did you buy it from crunchyct/chrunchy cards/Arjun by chance? Please send me all the info to ArjunIsADick@gmail.com when you get a chance.
I called up PSA and told them about my issue. I even brought up your UA-cam channels name and the whole Crunchycards ordeal and I think they're aware of it. I wouldn't have known my stamp was fake if somebody didn't create a post on Facebook. So I got in touch with that person whose card was also fake stamp and had suspicions about mine. Sadly, it was true. My stamp was also fake. I had to take zoomed in pictures and video and ask around and came to the conclusion mine was fake. And then your channel name started being mentioned and also this Crunchycards eBay seller etc etc. I already knew you from the Logan Paul case however. Also, I didn't buy mine from CrunchyCards. I bought it from another seller on eBay and was wondering if you could investigate their eBay? I have a feeling they are selling fake 1st Edition Pokemon Cards. I can tell you their eBay.
Definitely gonna be more careful with graded cards!!
Kinda sucks that this happened because they’ve handled at least millions of cards by now. This shouldn’t have happened.
@@Oz__MTG definitely!!!
@@Oz__MTG Money over everything, really sad our society teaches it us like that :) they get much more for a first edition aswel i assume
@@Oz__MTGit's not that simple. The workers aren't trained well and there's probably high turnover
i mean having PSA, SCG and other companies can be good thing... i see this as a win win.
it is extremely easy to get the size and location perfect..never heard of a scanner?
That’s it! I’m selling all my slabs
In the end raw cards might be more valuable if stuff like this keeps coming up.
Shows that regardless of the card being graded, with any company, you should also check them yourself.
5:29 epic coffee sip ☕️
“See something, say something”
I've always wondered what if that fake first edition stamp was perfectly placed, how do you spot it then? Or is it just good job its now an official first edition charizard?
i feel like the picture of the SMUDGED 1st ed later in the video looks a lil sus . why does it look like it has a weird shadow on the left side and the right side blends so smoothly into the ... drywall looking background . maybe im just stoned but the shadow looks off to me ...
thanks for the wicked content as always
and what happened in between the time he received the card the what 3rd time lol and when the card got destroyed ? im fuckin curious lol
In the end PSA ended up with the card, paid out the guarantee and is unknown what they did with it.
Keep putting the fire under them 🔥 I never trusted grading because 9/10 people I know , even the honest ones, will sometimes take the easy way out under the circumstance lol . Ignorance or human error, shit happens .
Thanks for the reply 👍 canadian love I'm in cap city
Sad to say because I grew up on Pokemon. I'm in my mid 30s now and I refuse to take the chance with Vintage pokemon way too many fakes, and re-sealed, pack weighing going around. At least if I buy a graded 10 Special delivery pikachu I can be almost 100% sure it at least authentic.
They are choosing to turn a blind eye, it's obvious. They made a mistake and due to their position in the market, it wouldn't be a smart business decision to admit they are wrong, they will simply say they are the authority anyway if anyone opposes them.
Imo, transparency works best, mistakes can be made, it's what makes us human.
I wonder what other companies are doing this 😱 (please list them Rattle) 🤔
Imagine how long people have been faking stamps. I am sure there are people that have perfected a lot of this art and got away with having PSA slab it up. Not to mention the hundred of mom and pop grading companies that are opening up since the COVID boom; probably quite easy to sneak it past a less prepared card grader. Rattle gave solid advice in saying "just look at it yourself lol."
Love you rattle
I 100% sense a class action lawsuit for PSA looming
I just bought a 1st edition squirtle off eBay super suspect of the stamp lol
Post it in the discord
I’m not really a fan of the “they’re never gonna be able to mimic or replicate it exactly” statement. I know it would be really difficult and hard for just a one man operation to get everything you need to fake it exactly but with how much money is in this right now who knows who’ll try. People have been replicating ink, paper stock and printing methods used in money and bank checks I wouldn’t think a pokemon card would be so much out of the realm of possibility.
If it's not the original materials and files, it's not the same under magnification.
nice thing is though if it isnt authentic send it back to psa for a crc regrade and they send you a check for 100% of what you spent on it
that zard with the psa 4 , starting with 2 serial number. that was graded very long ago. probably cheap at the time and they just let it thru. feel like it wouldnt get thru now a days with how expensive the cards are
Just wondering 💭 did you watch the previous video they are still letting fake first editions through 🥲 sad times
It was a $500 card at the time. The "head grader" was the one who re-authenticated it after the stamp flaws were pointed out in detail with pictures.
@@RattlePokemon would like to see what would happen if it was cracked and re-submitted. would be good proof of negligence if graded
So hypothetically how many fake cards passed through psa would absolutely destroy their reputation and ruin their business?
The fake graded cards is going to be an extremely small percentage in comparison to the total volume but you should still check them. Mistakes happen and hopefully they are handled better than this one.
@@RattlePokemon booooooo lol jp jp
When a mistake is done by any other grading company... too much hate, now that's been psa - well mistakes happens, we are humans xD
CGC would have caught it
You know this could be a possible error 1st edition because it is the same thing as a off centered card in the case it looks like a off centered 1st edition gotta remember back then wotc was trying to get these cards out as fast as possible. I could be wrong but thats what it looks to me.
Watch the whole video. Same seller had many that were confirmed fake stamps.
Ok I was doing that just wanted you to see this first.
Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head with this ! This is probably the most craziest of fakes from psa I've saw and definitely so down grading I've saw great job rattle pokemon ! 👏
grading companies are such a sham. thx for exposing them
They need to stay on top of this stuff and people who buy graded cards still need to verify condition and authenticity on their own.
Is it classed as fraud to sell fake cards as the real deal? would the police even try follow up on it if reported? I see too many people selling fake cards, nothing EVER happens. They must of made a killing.
Crazy. I would just crack it if I were him. Worst case scenario it's somehow real and you have to grade it again if you want it graded
What if the ink can be wiped off? Still destroy it? I don’t think you should destroy a perfectly good card if the ink is removed and it is no longer noticeable.
Maybe if it can be removed without altering the card. If it changes the card itself, it's altered at that point.
If the 1st edition stamp was indeed printed in a second time by WOTC, isn't it possible that the stamp would just not be consistant with where it is positioned? Like a misprint
Possible but you never see it. I've seen real but smudged ones. The position of the stamp is just a really bad sign to go with the fact that everything else is wrong about it. It also came from a seller who faked stamps on other cards.
@@RattlePokemon All right, I'll be more careful then! Would you say the position of the stamp can vary from one set to the other? It looks like Team Rocket's might be more centered
Check your microphone settings bro..
Btw any real grading company would test their process internally
Rattle grading services when
Naw, I'll just teach everyone how to spot fakes. ;)
It's honestly simple math. More cards, less staff, new staff, etc.
It isn't smart to grade right now or buy graded cards.
At this point, they should change the labels post pandemic wave to show which cards actually had time and care spent on them.
This is getting worse.
This was an old example but still relevant since it is something to look out for.
@@RattlePokemon yeah I remember hearing about this one but this was also during a surge in popularity. You have to be passionate about this stuff to grade a card well. If you're run like a grading sweatshop, then even fans of collectibles surely get jaded. Just ask my friend who got fired from BGS (or CGC whichever is in Florida).
Hard to give a crap when every dude in a Supreme Hat is sending his Pikachu he found in the seat cushion in for grading.
Didnt the 2 guys who so called originally bought the fake unopened box sell a " unopened " box to a buyer in Germany. He mentions it in that 2 part video they made
Hey rattle, big fan, and thank you again for all you’ve done for the community. That being said, I’m hoping to get your opinion on another perspective I’ve encountered in much higher volume lately.
I’ve been an eBay seller since 2005, and have bought and sold off and on since. Lately, I’ve been reliably hit with “does not seem authentic “ forced returns involving anything trading card related. Suddenly the paranoia has hit extreme levels, and everyone is an expert, so far as to have had to deal with a difficult amount of selling consistency. Most of the items I sell I’ve collected since they were “worthless “ and now have value, most of which I’ve opened myself, or acquired while in standard etc. what do you think the future for people like me? Even PSA and many others are not enough, how can anyone know reality anymore? We can’t all be rattle, and certainly cannot have one on retainer at will.
If you’ve read this far, thank you so much!
Big fan, regards.
Hoping that everyone watches enough of the educational loupe, microscope, fakes, etc... videos that they can determine the real thing on their own. If there are issues, maybe a link to my stuff will solve it.
@@RattlePokemon the more awareness people like you create, the better things become hopefully. Unfortunately we’re still waiting for the dust to settle. Hopefully everyone shares this, and more and more UA-camrs take this seriously. Too many are just pretending this isn’t a problem, and is slowing down the process. Honestly can’t wait until your reach extends into the millions, community expertise is critical to save this hobby.
PSA is garbage at grading cards, I saw a card with bad centering and whitening on the back getting a PSA 10 and I guess their reputation is just not there any more. Maybe they can't get along with all the submissions and just look at this cards for a few seconds to grade it. Very concerning
This is an older submission and cert. Unfortunately, it seems that not much/enough time is spent authenticating by any of the grading companies.
True. I mean so many cards getting graded nowadays that it is impossible especially for companys like PSA to take their time with the cards. Even tho they do not have subgrades to make it a little transparent for the customer. You get what you get and that's it. But there is a company called AOG in Germany (you mentioned them in one of your videos) they use AI computer analyzing technology first on the cards and then confirm that grade in person. I don't know exactly how it's done but for me this is the future of grading cards. But anyway I like your content and the topics you discuss. Keep the good work up man!
Nice Video Rattle! 👍 🔥
did you make this vid from my comment last week? lol
pausing to say i worked in a many print shops in my day and a tiny pixel difference in location can happen at random and doesnt mean its a fake stamp. could just be a print issue for that card.
soo it cant be a error card?
The same guy was selling fakes that smear off when rubbed. Definitely not an error.
Not sure how things work at PSA, but we keep track of every record our users touch at work. we can tell who did what and provide additional training as needed if problems arise. PSA should be doing that internally to provide a better service. it sounds like they don't even have a helpdesk for customer support, they just work in emails? yikes...
Grading is overrated, but I understand if you're selling instead of keeping for yourself- they take way too much money for this service, is it really a service 🤔
Isn’t even that much money to grade them unless you got a Mikey mantle in good condition
@@FaZe-StyL holy bajeesus not a big baseball fan but just looked this up and I'm imagining sending it with like 10 bodyguards fully geared and strapped to the gills in a armored truck to PSA not leaving it out of sight while grading and same on the way back lols
@@felipealvarado760 make that 20 body guards lol, I’m not baseball fan either I just know it’s a very expensive card even ripped and teared I wouldn’t be surprised if grader steals one lol
@@FaZe-StyL I agree 👍🏻
the email dates are surprisingly off. 2017 dates and 2022 dates.
The 2022 are only the print to pdf dates when he recently saved and sent them to me.
@@RattlePokemon cool cool! i might have missed it being said in the video. Either way nice work.
This German dude is amazing xD
Sweet! Where can I get a first edition stamper/ink press? Please let me know.
Looks the fucking same to me
in this time.. there needs to be a company for vertification real slabs😅😅
CGC to the moon
I think it's hilarious a channel with 11k subs is completely exposing PSA for the crooks they are.
I mean it could be mistamped. Who knows
it's not
1ST CARD IS A FAKE PSA CASE NO PSA AT BOTTOM
It's a real PSA case. There have been changes made to the cases over the years.
@@RattlePokemon no psa has always had psa at the bottom in the plastic.... i do not see it here... a little psa is written in plastic at the bottom of every case they have never ever ever changed that... thats a tell tale sign of a fake psa case
This is why I won’t use psa for tcg cards
Unlikely any better with other companies.
@@RattlePokemon Genuine question, do you know if cgc has had similar issues with grading fake Pokémon?
Pretty bad how PSA handled the whole situation. Willful ignorance because by acknowledging the mistake, they know the mountain of work and payouts they'd create with other cards that have the same issue or is it just plain incompetence? Either way, I feel bad for the owner, and it sucks how they just fast tracked it back to him. Obvious none of the people he interacted with took the time to look at the many details he provided.
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TCC grading is the way all day!!
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