22 Creedmoor Vs ALL 22 Centerfires
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2024
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this video, I compare all the 22 centerfires to the new 22 Creedmoor, and we'll look at how it holds up against the competition.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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I don't know but that 22-250 rem is a hot round to this day
222 Remington was my woodchuck gun growing up in Ohio in the '60s made spending money clearing bean fields of the chucks.
The triple deuce and 22/250. Great, classic pair for medium and long range work, respectively.
Got a Rem Model 722 in .222 Rem (2nd yr built), and it’s a darling to shoot. Whitetail seem to fall rather quickly with 1 well placed shot just fine!
ME TOO -- MINE HAS ONLY HAD ONE BOX OF FACTORY AMMO THRU IT -- ALL THE REST HAS BEEN RELOADS -- ALL OF THEM JUST BELOW FACTORY SPECS WITH 50 GR BULLETS - STILL SHOOTS GREAT -- BARREL LOOKS GOOD - DOES EVERYTHING I WANT IT TO -- IF I NEED A BIGGER BULLET - I GO TO MY 243 -- AND SO ON -- NEVER GOT INTO THE CRAZE OF TRYING TO MAKE A 22 CENTERFIRE INTO A MOOSE GUN OR A SUPER DUPER LONG RANGE RAT KILLER - 200 YARDS IS MY LIMIT(DEER 100 YARDS) -- IF ITS FURTHER THAN THAT - I GET CLOSER OR JUST DONT SHOOT@@scottsozmtns7534
@@scottsozmtns7534 Just bought a 722 last year and it is my new favorite. It is a tack driver. Love it.
@@scottsozmtns7534.222 was my normal caliber for red deer for years......anything inside 200 meters that stood still without a bush in the way was dinner.
22-250 is one of my favorite cartridges. Incredibly accurate. Surprisingly potent.
I like mine in 8 twist with 80 gr bergers
That's not for me then. I prefer credibly inaccurate rounds. Predictably impotent.
Many years ago I had a 220 Swift. Factory loads were claimed to be 4000fps.
I used to shoot a 220 Swift in the late fifties along with a 7x61 Sharpe and Hart, both very fast. My Dad was in todays terms a "Ballistic Speed Freak", we were loading everything to achieve +4000fps. The problem was the bullets at that velocity, primarily stabilization and separation. It was difficult to get a good set of dies for the 220 Swift. The collet when seating the bullets and crimp would bow. No CAD/CAM in those days, just excellent Gunsmiths and machinist!!!
I'm 11 seconds in...22-250 wins. Enough argument (:
22-250 is king
58 cal cap n ball.
There are quite a few .22 caliber cartridges that were not mentioned here, which I understand because there are many that are not being produced anymore. I would argue that it didn't start around the 22 Hornet though. There were some that came around well before that one was introduced dating back to the late 1800's, such as the .22 WCF. The one that gets a lot of the blame for the .22 caliber not being allowed for medium/big game hunting is the 22 Savage High Power. This one was developed around 1912 for the Savage model 99 and pushed a 70 grain soft point out around 3000 fps. It became somewhat popular overseas and was called the 5.6 x 52R.
There is a small but loyal following of the 22 PPC that is arguably the most accurate among this group. A shame it wasn't mentioned. But what a nice review of the others in the same class! Thank you Ron!
220 Swift for the win!
good Fox round
Nice job Ron!
I've ran quite a few of these loading and today run the 223/5.56 plenty of brass, bullets and loadings but......I sure find that Creedmoor intriguing.
Never believed in inherently accurate cartridges but use to hand load the .225 Winchester after 1000's of different combinations of primers,powders,and bullets.I found out the 22-250 was a lot more user friendly to find accurate loads for.
I love this in-depth comparison. I’m always learning. I have 22lr, 2.23/5.56, 22-250, and an and old S&W revolver with 22 magnum.
Thanks for the content!
222 Rem! Is there anything else?
I wholeheartedly agree.
223
Yes, the 22-250 is obviously superior.
Yeah, my old Sako .22-250.
In the middle '70s I was recommended the .22-250 for the prairie dogs in our area. I had no concept of what it would do. I bought a Ruger Model 77 and a super cheap scope. Popped some soda cans in the local trash dump so I had confidence in the ability to hit a prairie dog. I only had factory ammo 55gr bullets and gave it a shot. The recoil lifted the image in the scope and I thought I had missed. My concept of the cartridge was that it was just a faster round like a .22LR. When I found the varmint I was shocked. PD was nearly disintegrated, leaving the head and front legs, a strip of skin, the hind legs and tail. Everything else vaporized. Since that time I began handloading and sticking with 40-45 gr bullets for lightning strikes. I've shot quite a few rounds, but I'm a long way from burning out the barrel. Gun is still like new. I'm a diehard Ruger fan. My most recent acquisition is a polished stainless Vaquero in .45 Colt. Excellent, powerful revolver.
in the new Hornady reloading books still shows the 220 Swift 100 FPS over the 22-250 plus the swift is more accurate for many of us with the 55 gr. bullet. your FPS max load. are a little wrong in book #9 look it up.
Also the 220 swift is heavy to carry around. Glad ya don't have to carry it to far though . It will reach waaaaaay out there
So basically 90 years later we haven’t improved much over the 220 swift…
Sometimes they do get it right the first time. Right assuming you don't care about barrel life. 😉
New barrels are supposed to last longer due to better steel.
Slow your fire rate down, they'll last just fine. Let the barrel stay "warm" and not "hot".
Looking and sound good! Fascinating topic and Many Thanks.
I’ve been waiting for this video
Excellent Ron , Another Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Great topic. 22250 is IT !!! All around great !!
The parent case of the.22 ARC is the 6.5 Grendel, not the 6 ARC.
Yep! Was going to say the same thing.
220 Russian
7.62×39 but I understood
In Sweden and surrounding countries the 5.6x52r/22 Savage High Power is a fairly common cartridge, especially in combinationguns.
Is ammo and/or bullets still available? If memory serves me correctly the 22 Savage HP was a .228 bullet. Naturally somewhere along the way the 22 centerfires have settled into a .224 bullet.
Yes, there is bullets and ammo available, not very very much, but there is. Even the new copperbullets i sold in .228
Wow, that is interesting. Wish I was aware of that before I sent a 22 HP down the road. Thank you very much for the reply and the information.
My kid just asked me the other day if they'd ever change the .22lr to centerfire...I need to show him this video
This isn't replacing .22lr though
I built a custom cartridge a few years back that was impressive. It was a 22x257Ackley. I took one of my 257Ackley cases and necked down to a 22 cal. had a reamer made and chambered a Rem 700 stainless short action with a Shilen 26" 1x7 twist for heavy bullets. Slow powders H-1000 RL-25 etc, with 80gr Berger VLD. Over the Chrony loads were at 3710 fps. Power was more than impressive. It would sometimes punch all the way through 1" mild steel plate at 500 yds. With a 100 yd zero it only needed 17 min of elevation for 1000 yds. Several five shot groups at 1000 produced 3 to 5 inch groups. Ground hogs were not happy. From Ron's chart it looks like it would have been similar to the 5.56x57mm RWS. It was in fact based on the 57mm case, but blown out to Ackley specs.
Hodgdon does list the firearm or test barrel length. It’s the “bar” just before the actual reloading data.
Love the channel. Keep up the great content!!!!
Great video Ron! 😎✅
Thanks Ron!
The best 22 centrifire is the 243 with a 55 grain nosler varmageddon...
@jwdundon ----> uummm - a .224 bullet is not the same as a .243 caliber bullet. If you try to shoot a .243 caliber bullet in a .22 caliber barrel,,,, you better wear safety googles and arm length leather gloves and have some medical insurance.
Think he means a 22/243
Excellent info, thank you.
The .225 Winchester was a fine cartridge. Very similar to the .22-250 cartridge. It was chambered in the Model 70 Winchester rifle which is in fact a Bolt-action rifle. Rimmed cartridges work very well in Bolt-Action magazine rifles. They give positive extraction. My .303 British Lee-Enfield SMLE and my Stevens 325 bolt-action in .30-30 Winchester function very well. Factory ammo muzzle velocity with a 55-grain bullet is 3,570 F.P.S. , Muzzle energy is 1,556
I'd of never guessed. Nice dimensions and can hold a 42.5gr charge. Hot enough to cat a 6mm 80-90 grain projectile perfectly too.
I'm kinda partial to the 222 rem. My grandfather gave me a Sako l46 Riihimaki that he purchased from Jim Carmichael, the Outdoor life editor. It's light as a feather and a tack driver. Also a big fan of the Swift. Have a single shot savage 112 in that caliber that also shoots .5 moa with handloads.
Very informative thanks
Great video !
The .22 arc is not based on the 6mm arc case. The 6.5 Grendel is the parent case. It was a wildcat round known as the 22 Grendel, before Hornady got it saami spec'd.
Good point, and an important distinction, because while both 22 and 6mm ARC use 6.5 Grendal as their parent case, the 6mm ARC has been trimmed to fit longer bullets.
So you could theoretically neck up and trim 22 ARC to get 6mm ARC, but you can't neck down 6mm ARC to get 22 ARC.
@@gpearce11 precisely!
I'm British. I'll never shoot or see these rounds the laws are too strict but Ì enjoy these videos a lot.
It's interesting to the see the chart of calibers and velocities. It's important to note what size pill is being driven at those velocities. Why? A 22-250 doesn't achieve the same ballistic goals as a 22 Creedmoor which pushes bullets 75-90 grains at high velocity and at much longer distance. This is in part due to a fast-twist barrel. If I were shooting inside 400yds, I'd prefer the 22-250 all day long. So, understanding strengths and limitations is critical.
Horizon firearms has done a great job promoting it. In Texas, pretty much any native animal you need to kill (not including large exotic species), just about any 22 cal with a QUALITY bullet and good shot placement is absolutely ample power. Plus, with lower recoil, your more likely to make a better shot.
I love this guy he's a walking ballistic encyclopedia well dun ron
Winchester chambered the model 65 for the 218 Bee and later the model 43 bolt action. which obviously handles pointed bullets just fine. It will outdo the 22 Hornet by 150-200 fps with proper loads all across the board. I own a M 43 in fine condition in 218 Bee that was my fathers that he bought new in the very early 50's. I own a Savage 23B in 25-20 as well so I have father and son so to speak. The 225 Winchester is actually a rimmed case but Winchester advertised it as a "semi rimmed" case. Winchester reduced the rim of the 219 Zipper so that the rim would fit a std bolt face of the model 70 etc. I came very close to buying a Savage 340 in that caliber one time and wish I had now.
Good video Ron but I like my 22-250 have had most of the others but will stick with what I have take care...
I have an older reloading, Lee 2nd Edition. These are the velocities listed for 218 Bee with a 50 grain bullet. 2153, 2165, and 2302. The lightest load listed is 35gr and 2632 FPS.
You should do a video of the most historical cartridges
Hi Ron, I am a recent subscriber and really enjoy your videos. The timing of this video is incredible because I recently picked up a new to me Sako L461 Vixen in .223 Remington and it is quickly becoming my favorite rifle. When I took it out for the first time to sight it in it put five rounds through a hole the size of a quarter with factory loads at 100 yards. (I would like to say I am that good but truthfully it was the rifle). I am curious about some of these hotter loads burning the barrels out. I know during World War II and before large Naval guns would burn the barrels out at around 300 rounds but in the 1950s something called the Swedish Additive came out and extended barrel life all but indefinitely. Is there not something similar in modern powders? Thank you for all the time you take to educate us and I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.
I know nothing about Naval guns and Swedish Additive, but knowing that flame temperature at the leade (start of the rifling) is what "burns out," I can't imagine that any additive stops this. There are cooler burning powders, however, and those can help. Highest muzzle velocities do not always equate with faster barrel burning. It's a balance between bullet weight and powder type. Some lighter loads of certain powders can develop more MV than some heavier loads.
That .22 Nosler sending a 85 gr at 2,907 is impressive for the overall cartridge size.
224 Valkyrie suffered what happens far too often with the newer cartridges designed for the AR platform. Its main target in the beginning was the 90 gr Sierra Matchking bullet for long range target shooting. Unfortunately all the barrel manufacturers rushed barrels out using their existing 556 barrel blanks chambered for the cartridge with the standard 1 in 7 twist. It didn't stabilize the bullet properly. No surprise really because Sierra recommended a 1 in 6.5 or 1 in 6 to properly stabilize the bullet. Those that rushed it out were not all that happy with the accuracy they got. A few barrel makers did use the proper twist rate and it made a huge difference. I built mine with a 1 in 6.5 from Bison Armory. It is a tack driver with all the factory ammo right from the 75 gr ball ammo on up to the 90 gr Sierra. Would be nice to see all these mistakes not happening. Similar situation happened with the parent cartridge the 6.8 SPC. Remington submitted the wrong chamber specs and others had to come along behind them to fix it.
Remington?! Laying an egg with a cartridge?! Surely you jest!
Just a note, Ron. Great presentation but the Savage 22 Hi Power was brought out in 1912. Bears mention as a baseline 22 centerfire.
The point of wsm and wssm is more powder charge for a hotter round to shoot out of a shorter barrel. Keeps around the same speed of a longer barrel but easier to pack in bush.
Yes, I'll keep my 22-250 Remington. Thank You very much ! 🤓
Good, Thx
Thanks for giving savage the creds Ron . Was it one of his Newton cartridges ? As you know i love gramps 300 sav. But rounds are getting hard to get .
22 250 sako here...5 shots covered by a quarter with many hundreds of 55 grain federal right out of the box.When i shot a lot in the 90s they were only 14.oo cdn a box.Reloaded lots as well but not faster...didnt want to burn the barrel out. Have taken out a few very big blackbears and tons of mulies.
Ruger same cal. Didnt last more than a few boxes of same amo before accuracy dropping off exponential.
Luv the low kick although its a heavy barrel so downside of the accuracy is weight.
hunting black bear with a 22 cf? what the
@@glennsmith7575
Oh ya...a freind co. Had to take out a med siz prob bear in a town with the only gun he had with him.He said he couldnt beleive how it went dwn compared to his bigger rifles or i wd never have tried it.
Its about bullet speed.Not that i wd carry it 4 grizz bear defence.
Got a marlin sbl 4570 for that now i hope i never have to use.
This was an eye opener for me. My 221 Fireball is pretty good with hand loading with the newer fast powders. Varmints mostly I stay with 40 grain bullets.
Do it swiftly!! The first one I built in 92 with a tight neck and a 31” Douglas barrel averaged 4200 fps with a 55 gr and 4800 fps with a 38 gr Calhoun bullet. 5 shot Groups averaged 1inch with three in same hole. Shot that barrel out and it took thirty years to find another barrel that could match that speed. This one is a wilson 1/14 twist 26” shoots a 40 grain max at 4800 fps primers are pretty flat but opens with slight tension.
My two favorites, 200 yards or less the 22 K-Hornet with a 40 gr bullet moving 3,000 fps and out to 600 yards 219 Donaldson Wasp with 1-7" twist and 80 - 90 gr bullets. BTW: The FiveseveN is a rimless 22 K-Hornet and the 22 Valkyrie is a rimless 219 DW.
You're right about Winchester sabotaging some of their own chamberings with terrible marketing decisions. .17WSM is a great round but they only licensed Savage and Ruger to make the rifles, with Hornady being the only other manufacturer of ammo. Savage promptly put the chambering in their terrible B-MAG lineup, and Ruger stopped making them completely. Hornady put the final nail in the coffin by not manufacturing any of the WSM ammo because its a direct competitor to their HMR.
So what are we left with? Savage B-Mags and Winchester rimfire ammo that yields ES of 80... if you can find it.
Each 22 center fire has a unique ability, the 22 Hornet is efficient with about 550-700 rounds to a pound of powder to the 22-250 and 22 Creedmoor one is hot nasty speed and the other is efficient in flight. I have 17 and 22 hornets and a 22-250. In the next couple years there might be a 22 ARC hanging around, who knows.
I have many of these, including the hotrods. I have a Remington 788 22-250, a Remington 700 classic 220 Swift, and a Browning Varmint SS 223 WSSM. All three have "24 barrels. Sure, the 223 WSSM is the speed champion but the 22-250 is the most practical. There isn't enough of a velocity difference to matter much in my humble opinion. The 223 WSSM's 1:10 twist rate is hard on lighter bullets. I've had the 220 Swift rimlock on me but nobody ever talks about that nowadays.
My Savage 223 covers almost everything I need to do with a 22 centerfire caliber. The 1:7 to 1:8 fast twist 22 Creedmoor looks interesting and I hope Savage makes one in their 110 based action with a 24-26 barrel.
Yeah, what the hey - you call the video "ALL 22 centerfires" - but the only one everybody wants to see is the Eargesplitten Loudenboomer! 🤣
An interesting round (pistol cartridge)that we never hear about anymore is the 22 Remington jet.
Ron, my family has a bit of a history with .22 centerfire rifles. My great-grandfather had a .218 Bee. He killed mule deer with it. One year, he loaned it to a buddy to mule deer hunt with. The buddy shot a deer and returned the rifle. The next year Grandpa Great pulled it out of the closet to get ready for the upcoming deer season and accidentally shot himself in the leg. He ended up losing his leg. Apparently his buddy returned the rifle loaded and Grandpa Great failed to check it. Needless to say firearm saftey is huge in our family now.
My Mom decided she wanted to start mule deer hunting so my Dad went to buy her a .22-250 to hunt with. Well he ended up getting a great deal on a .222 Rem. My Mom would have no problem helping butcher the animals, but she couldn't bring herself to pull the trigger. Dad used the .222 Rem to kill 2 mule deer bucks. Both dropped dead on the spot. I got that .222, but I didn't reload so it was hard to find ammo. I traded it for a .30-06. I have killed 2 pronghorn with a .223 Rem. One at 140 yards the second at 222 yards. My wife used the same .223 Rem to take her first big game animal a pronghorn at 80yards. All three pronghorn went less than 25 yards and died. I am sold on .22 centerfire cartridges on game under 300lbs under 300 yards.
Hmm....My .221 Rem Fireball can plaster 3 shots @200 yds, that you can cover w/a dime, & that's a Pistol folks!! Dallas Police found 2 brass from development cartridge for XP 100 on some grassy knoll, but Warren dudes said, single Magic Bullet from some book did our Prez in!! Nice thing about XP is, w/diagonal chest sleeve holster, perp could stumble-bum along tracks swingin his arms & singin' Oh Suzana, but Coppers would just ignore! Did D. Warren Intelligentsia ever consider that?
My reloading friend, Dave Perkins, preferred the .22-250 over the .220 Swift, because he could get higher velocities with more accuracy, in his Remington 700 Varmint Special. Last I knew, he was shooting 40 gr bullets at over 5000 fps. I don't know how many barrels he had on that rifle; he'd shoot until accuracy declined, then replace it. With a Remington 788 in .223 factory ammo, and a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10, he would regularly shoot 3 shots touching offhand at 100 yards.
I am disappointed you didn't include the Australian 22-303, a magnificent cartridge for high velocity and short barrel life, admittedly it is a bit rare these days.
I'm disappointed Ron left out the 22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. But he said he was limiting this vid to factory ammo that is available today, not Wildcats. Perhaps he will cover those in a future video.
NEVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH BARREL BURNOUT OVER MANY YEARS MINE WAS THE falcon THE FULL LENGTH THE WASP WAS A SHORTER CARTRIDGE AND POSSIBLY THE ONE YOU SPEAK OF, COULD DOWN LOAD FOR CAST PROJECTILE BUT DROPPED ANY PIGS WITH THE FALCON AND FOX'S AT LONG RANGES MATTER OF WHERE YOU PLACED THE SHOT ,MINE WAS BUILT BY DON BLACK A WELL KNOWN GUNSMITH IN NSW ON A MARK 3 303 AND CUSTOM STOCKS, AS WAS MY 303.270 ,THE 222RIMMED BASED ON A 310 MARTINI ACTION AS WERE MAY ZIPPERS AND THE 218 B PLUS HORNETS THE ACTION WAS A FAVORITE HERE IN AU AND SHELLS STILL AVAILABLE
My favourite is a 5.6x50 rws ... except not common pushing a 50gn as fast as a 22-250 with less blast great varmint cartrage
218 was in the model 65.
They have that 6mm max now also which sucks because I just built my 6mm arc gas gun and I could have gotten another 200yds of precision shooting. Those 6mm arcs are good to 800 but I’ve had friends that have done well to 1000. The Hornady rounds available for the 6arc are 105gr, 103 and 108gr never seen any 55s and my load data says it’s a .243 not a 22 loading so I’m definitely a little confused to this point
Did I miss the .22 Jet ? S&W revolver with .factory ammo - 357 case necked down to .22 (.22 Jet?) was one of the loudest handgun I have shot in a long time. Maybe the original Stainless .44 magnum Automag was a bit louder !!
Just a fun one, the 223 is an odd one. Just because the bolt face and coal. Wild what it does at it's size. Overall with life it's actually very good.
Ron. Ron. Ron. Here's the skill testing question. (great video by the way). What type of sharpener are you using on those knives? You can have great steel in hand but crap for edge restoration capabilities. So what do they recommend? Asking for a friend. LOL
My uncle had a Savage .22 High Power. The rifle was a lever action model 94 savage.
A friend of mine used his 22-250 on my AR500 steel plates at 100m. Clean drilled holes!!!!
Some bolt rifles were made in the Bee. Kimber (the first), I think Bradley aannd Winchster, I believe. K Bees were definitely in bolt guns, but were custom. Roger #1s also were made in it. Great for called predators. Not an earsplitter!
Thanks
Ron, very nice video, but next time when you have a line-up of cartridges, please put something like a 22LR as place holders for your missing cartridges. It will make it easier to follow and keep tabs on the story.
In my old Hodgdon manaul it claims 2567 ft/sec for 55 gr bullets for the 218 bee
How about .223 super shot mag. Does it apply to this list?
I love these kind of videos Ron. Thanks!
All the WSSM cartridges are orphans today. They were an answer to a question no one was asking.
One thought about the maximum range of these 22 centerfire (when big game is on the menu)... there isnt a universal max range that suits them all... rather it has to do with the construction or bullet type of the projectile. I believe a good rule of thumb for proper terminal performance is 2200ft per second impact velocity for monos and bonded bullets, and 2000ft per second impact velocity for cup/core style bullets. For example, take an 8 twist 22 creed and an 8 twist 223rem... both can shoot the 77tmk bullet accurately (a proven bullet for taking big game) but the 22creed will start around 3300ft per second MV and the 223rem will start around 2700fps MV. The bullet fired from the 22creed will be all the way to 690 yards before it drops below 2000fps... whereas the same bullet fired from the 223rem will only get to 395 yards before it falls below 2000fps. However, at 690 and 395 yards respectively, they will both have exactly the same energy and terminal bullet performance on game.
Consider that this range and performance is accomplished only because of the ability to use long, heavy for caliber, high bc bullets. If instead a 62gr Fusion bullet were used instead (also a proven deer killing bullet)... the 223rem starts around 2750fps and the 22 creed around 3500fps... the 223rem hits 2000fps at 315 yards and the 22 creed hits 2000fps at 580 yards.
In the end, arbitrary limits on range because the caliber includes a 22 in the name isnt as useful as know the individual limitations of the shooter, the rifle platform, the scope, and the bullets terminal performance. The lowest common denominator rules.
As I recall , The 220 swift was marketed as 4000 fps. And yes , notorious for flame burning out the throat.
I don't think it was as bad as it was said to be .. There was one bad report in a popular gun magazine and it spread like fire..
On the 22 Hornet you should have used the 35 and 45gr bullet ballistics because the 45gr is the most manufactured round in that caliber... 50gr isn't very popular..
Also ,its a little unfair placing the wind drift outside of the BPR for the cartridge.
Like on the hornet not only was the oddball loading listed , it showed drift at 300yrds which isn't within the cartridges normal range ..
Btw . I personally restrict a hornet to 150 yrds . Because the velocitylFPs really scales off quickly after that enough to change the expansion size a lot .. IMHO .
And this applies to all the slower rounds listed . Of which I've owned my fair share of and reloaded for ..
Where are they finding these videos? Ron Spomer passed away in March of 2020. Great videos though. Keep his memory alive.
The 218 Bee will launch a 40 gr. bullet at a little over 2900 fps, a 50 gr. bullet at 2600, a 52 gr. at 2500, and a 55 gr. at almost 2400 fps. Source is from Lyman's Reloading Manual, 45th edition. Those loads use IMR 4227. I have plenty of Bee data I'm willing to share. A free pdf download of that manual can be found in a Google search, "lyman 45th edition reloading handbook free pdf. download." Hope this helps, and thanks for the vid.
Ron how about the Remington 30-06 acceleratetor when they took a 22 and a sabot placed in a 30 -06 case. 5pm estdaylight saving time.
Was fast, but rarely, if ever, accurate enough for what one usually wants a 22 centerfire.
Keyholes terribly in most rifles
Ron, did you miss the 5.7x28?
Also, I always thought the 22-250 was a 308 necked down, but now I understand the name.....
Naw 22 cheetah is 308 necked down to 22
.300 Savage and .250-3000 are basically shortened .308 cases, the back part of the case is the same. Neck that case down and you get .22-250. For that matter the back part of the case is the same as the .270 and .30-06. If you are reloading you can use the same shell holder for a whole lot of cartridges in that range.
@billj5645 yes they all share a case head diameter of I believe. 473 8mm mauser is technically the parent case for all of those
Give credit where due- the 5.7x28mm is a 75 year old cartridge aka 5.7 MMJ or .22 Spitfire
Thank you... great summary of the 22 centerfires
my uncle was a huge fan of the .223 wssm, no idea why
What about the 22 jet magnum in the model 53m smith and Wesson revolver?
.22 hornet is a much under appreciated cartridge
The 22/250 standard twist rate for most of it's life was 1 in 14, not 1 in 12. A faster twist of 1 in 8 has emerged for the recent longer projectiles over 60 grains in weight. No big deal Ron, you are doing fine. 60 grain bullets without a V-Max or Ballistic tip will often stabilize in a 1 in 14. Tipped bullets MAY not stabilize in a 60 grain weight.
Great video Ron. Really enjoyed this. 22250 Ackley is king of them all . 50gn Nosler 4150fps.
No mention of the FN5.7X28 which uses a .224" projectile in 35gr., 40gr. and 45gr..
Hand loading is still the way to go.😊 Custom barrel custom bullet.You can make any 22 caliber.
Perfect.
What about the 22PPC. Is it still around?
2645 ft/sec is a bit optimistic for a 55 grain bullet in a 22 Hornet. Looks more like the velocity for the old standard 45 grain load to me.
My friend
I have a hard quesion:
I have a beautiful Winchester model 24 with 70 years history, the left barrel has a small crack in middle of thiny barrel!
Do ypu recommend I cut there it or I change the shotgun?
First, make certain the crack is a crack and not just a scratch or gouge. If it is a crack, you don't want to continue shooting it. A load (shell) at any time could rupture it. I don't know if a gunsmith can repair the crack, but check that out. Another option is sleeving the barrel, possibly making it a smaller gauge. A "sawed off" shotgun is illegal, as I understand US gun laws, so you don't want to cut off the barrel. I suspect the gun would hold more value intact with a cracked barrel than sawed off. You could shoot just the intact barrel and have a double barrel single shot. Definitely consult some gunsmiths. You might even find a used barrel from another M24 that had lost its stock.
22-250,,,Ive always been a 223rem fan..But,now that I have tried the 22-250,,I would pick the 22-250,,
22lr, 22mag, 22 hornet, 204 ruger, 22-250, 243, 17hmr, 17 wsm. 17 hornet. This is all you need for smaller calibers. Instead of a bunch of new calibers I would rather see plenty of ammo on the shelves for calibers that have been around for years. They need to stop reinventing the wheel. Love your channel Ron.
I wouldn't complain about a factory K-Hornet. But in general, no argument.
Didn't know the manufacturers needed to base their production solely on your opinion
@@chadillac95 The manufacturers need to listen more to the customers and less to Marketing. My list would be even shorter. 22 lr, 22 mag, 22 Hornet, 223, 22-250.
If you need a heavier bullet the next step up is 6 mm or 257. Personally I never saw the point of putting more than a 70 gr bullet into a 22, but that's a personal opinion.
@@chadillac95 you said it it's just my opinion and you're welcome to your opinion
22 hornet cool shoot cool guns Cldnt see needing more other than I get remless
The new Hornady book still has the 55 GR going 2700 FPS out of a 22-250 .
Hey Ron! Whatever happened to the Remington 5 mm magnum?
Remington stopped chambering it in the late 1970s or mid 80s, as I recall. No one else but T/C chambered it. Aguila still makes ammo for it.
I had a 5mm mag and I absolutely loved that gun!!! The rifle was stolen along with 28 other guns but I still have a full box of 5mm ammo...