Handloading and Testing the 22 ARC
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this episode, we conduct a complete load development on Hornady's new cartridge, the 22 ARC. Dave Kiff from Pacific Tool and Gauge custom-built the rifle using his Drakkar action.
Hello Jeremiah, I was saddened to hear of Mike's passing. I know you were very close to him and shared your platform with him.
May God bless his family and you in this very difficult time. ✝️🕊
Dittos Sir .
You have your handloads sorted out perfectly
Jeremiah, I sure enjoy your videos. Your content and comprehensive reviews are absolutely fabulous! Well done, Sir!
Thank you very much for the kind words and feedback we greatly appreciate it we certainly do our best and are always trying to improve! --Jeremiah
Really enjoyed your video on the 22 arc. Bought a Howa 6mm arc barreled action from Brownells and plastic stock. Still working on load development. If they get around to the 22 ARC bbl'd action or rifles, put in a word for a 1/7 twist bbl. Howa says their hammer forged bbl's will shoot 1moa with good factory. Mine will with 3 rds but not with 5. Looking forward to your next video, Kent Beach
Howa needs to make their Carbon Elevate in 22 ARC that would be an ideal rifle and cartridge combination for me and what I enjoy doing. A rifle that I could take anywhere I might encounter a coyote and it'll only weigh 5 lbs to do so. Accuracy guarantee's are not all they are cracked up to be and perhaps that is something I should address in a video at a later date. I know we just talked about it in the magazines so perhaps now is the time to make that video. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. --Jeremiah
Those shots aren't flyers. They are part of the group. Your shooting was fine, and your rifle/ammo isn't as accurate as you think it is. If you fired at the same point of aim for 15 more shots(with breaks every 5 shots for the barrel to cool, the group would be likely around 3/4 inch to 1 inch. 5 shots groups are not statistically relevant. 20 shot groups are statistically relevant.
I agree with you which is why we show both group measurements in the video. That particular rifle will put 35 rounds into a little less than an inch depending on conditions which is pretty amazing in my book! However, your absolutely right about 5 shots not being statistically significant and better yet it sounds like you have done your own testing to validate your statement. It's good to hear that other folks are starting to understand such things. We have plans to do a video on the subject along with load development explaining exactly how we do it for the videos along with how I do it personally. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
If you are constantly getting the “flier” anneal cases after each firing and test some different primers. Try neck sizing only and see what ya get. Overall not bad at all
Good video interesting and informative 👍
I have run the 22 Grendel for a few years. I have been converting Starline 6.5 Grendel brass and found that after sizing the neck thickness ended up between 15 and 16 thousands. I was having horrible results (wild SD/ES, non-repeating grouping and quite a few crushed cases when seating) until I neck turned them down to 11.5-12 thousands.
Have you seen the thick necks after necking down the Lapua brass?
Great question, If I had to guess I would say they changed the chamber design to accomidate this with the 22 ARC but you can compare the reamer prints shown at the beginning of the video to your reamer print if you still have access to it. I have not had that issue and at this point I have used both Lapua and Starline 6.5 Grendel Brass. Neck turning is the bane of my existence and I avoid it like the plague, I already have 16 different cartridges I have to neck turn for and that is one of the main reasons I did not want to do it with the 22 Grendel. You may be able to get a finishing reamer and ream yours out to 22 ARC specs and then you wouldn't have to neck turn. My ES and SD numbers are pretty consistent thankfully. The necks on the Laupa cases were thick but again not enough to worry about in my rifle thankfully. My 20 Vartarg on the other hand is a completely different story. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I have experienced the same difficulties in reloading, moving the case mouth down into the shoulder,,changing the overall length,, reaming and Lube have been my best result
@@HandloaderTV few crushed cases when seating
Are the 6.5 Grendel cases you necked down previously fired, or virgin brass? Is it possible to neck down once fired cases? Would annealing help?
They were virgin Lapua cases, Annealing would certainly help with necking them down but I would not recommend it for virgin cases I feel it may make them a little too soft and you wouldn't work it enough through sizing to get that hardness back until you've fired it a few times. I could be wrong there though. In my experience once fired cases are even harder and crush even easier than virgin cases. I think the best advice is what is shown in the video using a 6mm ARC or 6mm Grendel die to size the neck down then full length size down to 22 ARC. You'll work your brass less doing so and it'll still shoot well on the first firing. Great question though, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
One question concerning the 62 gr ELD-VT bullets. Because of the very long boattail, when loaded to AR magazine limitations (2.260") they only contact approximately .025" of the very front of the necks of the 22 ARC. Wouldn't that be a concern regarding bullet alignment?
Interesting but no 22-250R Cheers from Australia
Can’t run that through an ar15! Lol
Anche a me mi capita sul primo colpo ,a freddo alza sempre
No coyote gun like the 220 Swift.
Yes, I know, the coyotes don't know the difference.
I have a 220 Swift from the Remington Custom Shop and actually did an article on it for our Varmint Rifles & Cartridges magazine, I do love the 220 Swift and enjoyed working up loads with some of the newer powders available for it. A great cartridge no doubt and you'll get no argument from me on either of the points you made. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Hey, thanks for the reply.
What newer powders do you refer to?
I read somewhere that CFE223 was not recommended even though it falls within the burn rate range of the tested older powders.
@@thisoldjeepcj5 No problem, I don't always get to reply to every comment because we get so many and I only have so much time but I really do try! I used StaBALL Match, RL 15.5 and StaBALL 6.5 just to name a few. It's all written up in the 2024 Spring issue of Varmint Rifles & Cartridges magazine from Wolfe Publishing Co. I have not tried CFE 223 in the 220 Swift but I could see the burn rate being a little bit off since it was really designed around the 204 Ruger. Thanks again for watching! --Jeremiah
That isn't a Flyer lol
Probably not this rifle averages .88 inch groups for 30 shots with a good load. Which, is why we include the measurements with and without the flyer lol. Some folks want to know either way so we cater to both. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Nobody cares that your copying the legendary 22-250 for some bullshit cartridge.
I'm a handloader magazine subscriber do I get access to loaddata with that subscription or is that separate?
Load data is different subscription on load data website
If there is an article about this in "Handloader", yes you will get data free.
Great question and @ReloadingQuest and @lubtahandload7692 are both correct. If you get Handloader magazine there will be part one in Handloader issue No. 351 and part two will be published in Handloader issue No 352. So you'll get all the data we upload to our sister website LoadData.com in those issues. LoadData.com is the worlds largest online reloading manual and currently we are the only company to independently publish pressure tested load data. It is a great resource if you load for a lot of cartridges and we are always adding more data from independent sources and from Handloader magazine. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
Where is the 22 arc data on loaddata website? I don't see it in the list
@@davisk1234 Can't help you. I have very poor service where I live. That's why I've never thrown an issue of HL magazine away. Good luck!
You probably have the most comprehensive shooting channel on YT. Your in-depth shooting, load development coupled with real hands-on narration makes this channel one I really enjoy watching.
Thank you very much that really means a lot to us, we certainly do our best and we greatly appreciate the feedback. We hope that the channel continues to grow and we can continue to provide good honest information to folks out there who are interested. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment and sharing our content it greatly helps us out and helps us determine what other subjects we should cover in the future! --Jeremiah
Too many ARCs, The Creedmoor are getting jealous. 😂😂😂😂😂
Ha Ha they are both popular I think I like the ARC a little better than the Creedmoor for my own purposes but they both have their pros and cons for sure. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Well Ya Still Haven Toooo Much n Without Me Shezzzz😂
Well Done Looking Fwd to the Article..
God Bless Ya
Enjoy watching your videos, and the reloading techniques and info. So you were using only the Garmin in this video?
I'm also currently waiting on my first issue of Hand loader magazine, looking forward to checking it out.✌🏻
Thank you very much for the kind words we greatly appreciate it! I was using only the Garmin for this video over the past few months it has proven to be as reliable as the Oehler 35P and more reliable than the Labradar. It ease of setup and reliability made it an easy choice. Thank you very much for your support and subscribing to the magazine it really helps us out and what we do here on UA-cam. We greatly appreciate, we are the only company out there who is publishing independent load data for cartridges. Everyone else is a powder or bullet manufacturer, so we feel the work we do is very important and we couldn't do it without the support of good folks like you! Thanks for watching and the continued support hope you enjoy the magazine and the articles as well! --Jeremiah
Awesome stuff! Keep up the great content 🎯🇺🇸
Thank you for all the support as long as we have good folks like you supporting us the future is bright! Thanks for your continued commitment with all that we do! --Jeremiah
Good video, well explained. Good stuff jeremiah. 👍
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment as always we greatly appreciate the continued support! --Jeremiah
75gr berger 29.5 lever evolution.
Consistent .3 in my pva osprey 24” barrel.
Who made that bench? It’s awesome
Nice video! That looks like a fun cartridge. Great, now I need to add one (or more) to my collection. 🤣
Regarding the pressure limits between an AR platform versus a bolt gun, is the pressure lower in the AR due to barrel dimensions or is it due to excessive gas? If it's due to excessive gas, could a handloader approach bolt gun pressures in an AR if they have an adjustable gas block to throttle down the gas?
It’s because of the bolt face used. There is a fear off shearing off the bolt lugs. It was the same with the Grendel. (22 arc is just a necked down Grendel)
If you do a search I believe there is 2 companies (can’t remember which ones) that make a beefed up bolt that allow you to run higher pressures.
@@wildnorthadventures, good to know. Thanks for the quick reply!
Wonderful to see folks helping others out @wildnorthadventures is correct on the bolt lugs shearing off, it is possible especially if running at 62K PSI. I believe JP enterprises makes a beefed up bolt that works well, the main issue is bolt thrust from the pressure though as compared to gas, however having an adjustable gas block would in all likelyhood help as well. Great question thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Is this 22ARC cartridge something new ?
Ha ha I suppose that depends who you ask but yes it is a new cartridge from Hornady. We actually did a big two part article on it in Handloader magazine I would highly encourage you checking that out. There is more information there than what we can pack into these videos especially when it comes to load data. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
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Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Nice…❤️🔥🇺🇸
Thank you very much for the feedback and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
How good is the 22 arc. Is it worth the Hype
What’s the weight of your rifle without the can?
If memory serves me correct it weights 8.5 pounds without the can and just under 9 pounds with the can. Great question thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Info abounds. Great video
Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Please review the American Gen 2 in 6 ARC.
How come nobody can pronounce Lapua correctly.
Lap-pwah! Howzzatt? 😐
I suppose you pronounce Coues Deer as "Cows" Deer too, which allegedly is the correct pronunciation, but everyone, including me, pronounce it the way it is spelled. It just sounds better I guess!
@@bustabass9025 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would you please share some details on your shooting bench, I would like to hopefully build or possibly buy something like that . Really enjoyed the video and all the useful load info .
It is a Konig Jager Super Bench made out of Aluminum plate (not sure what alloy) and welded together with adjustable legs in a sliding sleeve with a locking pinch type collar on the legs. It is very heavy but great for benchrest type shooting I do wish it was a little bigger. Building one shouldn't be too difficult if your a good welder otherwise I would suggest a different design. Sadly Konig Jager is out of business but you may be able to find some better pictures online of the bench itself. Overall it is a pretty simple design the hardest part would be getting the top which is one piece rolled down to create the approx. 3 inch lip that runs all around the bench so you have something to lean into and attempt to remove your breathing and heartbeat from going into the rifle. If that is a concern I would also suggest a different shape making it easier to get up and lean into the bench but all in all it was one of the best on the market. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Thank you for getting back to me , I have been searching for a bench design I like for quite awhile . When issue #351 was delivered , the first thing I noticed was the bench on the cover . I am wanting to build a portable bench that is also rock solid . I realize that portable AND rock solid might not necessarily be a realistic possibility . During my search I came across the Stukey bench , and It looks absolutely perfect , you can tell a lot of effort went into the design of that base and leg system . Unfortunately with the price of electricity , food , gas and just about everything else doubled and tripled : I would be in big trouble with the powers to be if UPS pulled up and dropped that off on my porch . Besides , I want to build my own anyway . Great job on explanation of case forming the brass and load development for the 22ARC .
all this sounds good but at 1.50 per round and the 223 at 0.65 per round, why would i go to the 22 arc. Is the 22 arc better then the 223 at 200 yards, 300 yards?
A pure performance standpoint I shot a prairie dog in Wyoming at 645 yards in an 8 MPH wind the ballistics are better and velocity is better resulting in better terminal performance. How much and how much that is worth to you is entirely up to the user. If you shoot a lot and handload a lot it's likely worth it. For me this has completely replaced my 5.56 Coyote rifle. At longer ranges 300 and beyond the difference is noticeable. Great question thank you for asking and taking the time to watch the video! --Jeremiah
Good Video
No offense, and to each their own. With a custom built rifle, and a scope that costs a month salary, I would be very disgusted. It isn't fast, or accurate (in my opinion) As long as you're satisfied, enjoy your rifle.
No offense taken, we report the results exactly as we get them and the viewer can take that information and do with as they please. We don't pull any punches or show favoritism in our videos nor do we cater to advertisers or anything like that. I am actually working on the part two of the article for Handloader magazine on this rifle and cartridge combination. I shot a 30 Shot group with Vihtavuori N540 that measured out to .88 inches, I wish I could have showed that target and shooting in this video but sadly it was shot after filming was complete. I thought that was pretty good and it can be misleading shooting only five shot groups but everyone has their own thoughts and ideas on that and that is perfectly okay as well. I am pretty happy with it for what it was intended for a 500 yard and in coyote rifle, if I do my part that should be no problem accuracy or ballistics wise. It does outperform the 5.56 NATO I was previously using for coyotes but by all means to each their own. Thank you for being kind with your comment and sharing your thoughts here I think it adds a lot of value to our videos and opens up room for more discussion amongst those who are interested in the video topic. We greatly appreciate that. --Jeremiah
Not fast or accurate?
@@chtomlin I should have clarified, my definition of accurate is 3 shots from my 22-250 at 3800 fps, in a 1 hole group, measuring .227 outside to outside at 100.yards.
What suppressor is on the front?
NM! Didn’t hear the 1st time through but went back and listened on suppressor- TY
You need to go back to the .22 PPC
the 22 PPC is a great cartridge for sure! I wouldn't mind tinkering with that one as well, provided i can get my hands on one. --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV back in the day when I was competing in bench rest shooting, I had both a 22 PPC and 6mm PPC. What's old is new again! I now shoot 6.5 Grendel and am thinking about getting a 22ARC
Did you get any blown primers with the factory 75 gr black ammo? I’ve got an. AR platform in 22 arc and 16/20 cases had blown ( pierced) primers
If you reload try federal 205 M AR primers
I did not get any blown primers with Hornady Black factory ammo and at this point and time I have shot about 100 rounds of it through this rifle. It kinda sounds like it may be a gas issue with your AR I would suggest trying a heavier buffer weight and also check the firing pin protrusion as well. If all else fails an adjustable gas block may be the answer especially if you are running suppressed. The Hornady factory ammo should have staked primer pockets it would take significant amount of force to blow those from the pockets something is not right. I went through the same thing with my 22 Nosler AR-15 and it took some tweaking to get it dialed in but now she runs like a top. Hope you get your issues figured out! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV they weren’t blown out of the pocket, just a hole where the pin strike was. I determined that the pin protrusion was .008 too long. Used a knife sharpener to take a few strokes and remeasured until it was back in spec. Thanks for the recommendations.
@@Aimstraight762 No problem than you for the update and filling us in on what exactly was going on, that makes a lot of sense and we are glad to hear you got it figured out! --Jeremiah
Very nice rifle with the exception of the detachable magazine. Glad to see you do a video on the 22ARC. Awesome little cartridge!
Thank you very much and for taking the time to watch and comment, it is a great little cartridge and is vastly greater than my previous coyote rifle chambered in 5.56. The detachable box magazine is entirely personal preference and I can understand your views on that to each their own it's just nice to have so many options on the market today. Thank you again for your support and sharing your thoughts! --Jeremiah
It’s not 1955… the majority of shooters want a detachable mag now.
Almost went with a leopold but got the razor lht for my waypoint and only fault is illumination flickers and wind hood dots you really can’t use except maybe in full power. Man that’s a good lookin rifle J..im like you and always lookin to improve on whatever cartridge I’m into basically. Saw some 35gr v max on midway and may try some in my ar as the 40gr I have shoot awsome and fastest I’ve been able to make from a 16”@ 3390-3400fps usin h335..btw is killer powder I now know..also h380 recently tried works good in my .308s as I’m sure you know. Good to see ya ol friend..🫲matt
Thank you very much for the kind words and feedback as always, and sharing your personal experience as well I feel it adds a lot of value to the videos. That sounds like a lot of fun I will admit I am a sucker for speedy cartridges and lightweight bullets. That is very impressive velocity, i'll certainly have to give that a try in my rifle. Thanks for sharing and always good to see you in the comments section! --Jeremiah