Percy Weasley Had A Time Turner [Harry Potter Theory]
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Today Ben dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to try and determine how on Earth Percy Weasley was able to procure 12 OWL’s when there is simply not enough time in the day!
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What do you think? Did Percy have a time turner?
SuperCarlinBrothers probably
SuperCarlinBrothers well hopefully I’m the first comment so idk
I was going to comment before watching, but instead I’ll watch and find out!
SuperCarlinBrothers hi
yes
If Hermione’s time turner was the only one to enter the castle, that means Bill, Barty, and Percy, all once held her time turner.
i like your thinking
It’s a time turner, there only has to be one in existence and an infinite amount of people can still use it simultaneously
There was more than 1 time Turner. They said that they were all destroyed during the battle at the ministry
Rex Lint I’m not saying there wasn’t more than one only that there only physically has to be one for all time travel to be explained
Rex Lint but only one was said to ever enter Hogwarts
Barty, Percy and Bill didn’t have to deal with Harry and Ron. Can you imagine what Hermione would of accomplished if she didn’t have to save Harry or the school every year???!!!
THIS
Theyd have to rename the planet after her,she would demand it be so.
Totally true. After she did her homework and studying, she continued “checking their homework for errors” which implies doing it for them.
She would become Minister of Magic at the age of 15 😃😃
Can't speak to Bill but Percy and Barty probably would have benefited from friends like Harry and Ron.
i think hermiones owls and achievments are more impressive when you consider the fact that she has to deal with voldemort every year
And not to mention Ron and Harry’s homework “checking” too
hermione had some struggles. theres a whole website dedicated to that
Well, I've always thought it was pretty amazing that Harry PASSED at al, since he had to deal with Volvemort/Deatheaters trying to KILL him every spring...
My thoughts
@InfiniteNayc lol she absolutely did NOT save them all the time. Movie watcher I guess?
Percy also got all 12 NEWTS too which were much more difficult than OWLS along with Head Boy duties in his 7th year
Wait if he got 12 NEWTS then that means he had a time turner for his 7th year, which also happens to be Hermonie's 3rd year. Meaning that they both had time turners at the same time, However, Only one Time Turner has been in the castle and most infer that this would have meant that Barty, Bill, Percy, and Hermonie all used the same time turner... So I guess this theory really is busted.
@@ZiggyGamma or it was a lie? Teachers do that
Is there any reliable source for that? Because I couldn't find any
Explains why he was so cranky all the time :-)
@@ZiggyGamma Or at the end of Percy's 7th year McGonagal used the time turner to go back to the begining of the year and give it to Hermione then take a year long paid sabatical.
Hermione cracked because she’s a perfectionist. She tried to overachieve in all her classes in addition the stress of taking 12.
Also, unless it's to protect her friends from danger, she HATES breaking the rules. As such she would've understood the rules as "Only use the Time Turner to go to class after another class" and not it's intended reading of "Use it to attend class, and maintain health to continue attending class" Spending time sleeping, eating, or exercising.
Im pretty sure Percy is also the same, perfectionist. Remember his report of Standerdizing Cauldron Bottoms?
@@KingTaltia I was thinking the same, she would use it as little as possible
I can't remember if Hermione ever learned her lesson that failure isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Plus Hermione was dealing with way more than the other 3... constantly having to save Harry and Ron is not an easy feat! 😜
"I had hermione return the only time turner to enter the castle".
This doesnt mean only hermione used it. Bill and percy and barty could have used that same time turner. Which means its still the only time turner to enter the castle.
Or it was a lie
I'm assuming that when they mentioned the letters to the ministry, they meant that they were requesting one for the first time.
great point, but that doesn´t fix the cursed child problem. That is clearly a different one.
That's what I was thinking. The times they would need it didn't overlap, so it could work. And the ministry letters could just be a bunch of beuraucratic stuff that needs to happen any time it's necessary for a student to have a time turner since they're such dangerous items.
That makes so much sense. And maybe all the letters to the ministry to get Hermione a time-turner was because maybe at some point there was a problem with one of the other three in the past and they didn’t want to repeat it. I love this theory so much and how it all makes sense.
"the only time turner to enter Hogwarts" doesn't mean that multiple people in Hogwarts haven't used the same time turner
Right! And kept at the school for this purpose, but requiring permission from the MM to check it out to a student.
So every year the hogwart staff vote one who the nerdiest student is to give time turner to?
Also, additional time turners wouldn't so much have "entered" Hogwarts if they were created there.
@Cyber Console wolf what does wanting to be minister of magic have to do with wether he used a time turner?
@Cyber Console wolf so? he could have gotten permision as well, nobody is saying he made one himself or got one in some kind of illegal manner.
05:26 I was thinking about this aging her, and I remembered that she spent a large chunk of her 2nd year not aging at all due to being petrified.
So maybe this returned her to her actual age!
Possible
Probable
Nice thinking 🤔
This is great! hahaha.
Not bad
Ben: "So I went back to the Philosophers' Stone to find some evidence"
*doesn't find evidence*
Ben: "The lack of evidence is in it self evidence"
Lol isn’t that every flat earther?
Selahsminion yes... yes it is, they are so annoying to argue with, along with antivaxxers and feminists
XD
Conspiracy theorism in a nutshell
@@Suo_kongque some feminists are ruining it for the rest of them, a few bad apples
It's kinda weird how Ron dated the girl who would've met his family's expectations 😂
AND Married*
Gaster.......Wingdings gaster
@@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185 No one would understand my language
Something something Oedipus complex
Ron probably wanted to show of such a know it all pretty girl 🤣
Them all having a time turner actually explains how they passed divination. If they took their divination classes on the 2nd or 3rd turn then they have already seen at least 1 hour in the future. I would not put it past Crouch Jr. to create a minor event just so he could predict it. Easiest homework ever!
I also agree with the logic that if Hermione's time turner is the only one to ever enter Hogwarts then it must be the same one that was loaned to the other 3 (and who knows how many more) students prior.
Yes!
"Test examnier, your afternoon tea will taste foul."
Future Barty *mixing dried manure with the tea*
The problem is that Percy also achieved all 12 NEWTS, which you would think would require a time-turner, however, Percy's 7th year was at the _same time_ as Hermione's 3rd year. Kinda messes up the theory that they all used the same one time-turner.
@@ferrosplice8460 actually past Percy could have had his time turner and given it to future Percy twice to then give one to mcgonigal and keep the other for his NEWTS
Well, if Hermione’s time-turner is the only one to have ever entered the castle, then it must be the same time turner McGonagall used to travel back to the Fantastic Beasts time.
oh ya! thank you fr reminding me of that.
And, McGonagall was the one to give Hermione the actual time turner.
@@annalisahooper3842 Um...what are you talking about?
@@delusionaldreamer8332 mcgonagall shouldn't exist in FB timeline as a professor or asst professor.
They live like 170 years, so why not?
Ben: Percy had a time turner
Me, who is always fully convinced by each and every one of their videos: *Percy had a time turner*
fantabulous unicorns
Bill and Percy used said-timeturner to cheat in Divinations.
Anonymous Fellow Time turners can’t see the future.
Ariel Steinsaltz
Stretch your thinking-you *use* the timeturner to go into the future and see its events, then return to the past. It’s no more than what a vision technically does, just a bit riskier and more personally involved
It’s basically how Mark Twain did it in “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”.
Stretching the knowledge of future events to pose as a prophet
Anonymous Fellow Except the time turner doesn’t travel to the future, or return to where you came from. You would have to live through a significant time in the future, go back to the test, take it, and then live through all that time again, and that’s a lot for an exam grade.
I don’t believe any of them would need a time turner at the same time. Thus, Hermione’s could’ve been the same one that the previous students used, thus technically being the only one to enter Hogwarts.
You've solved it!
What difference would it have made, if they did need it at the same time? It's a time machine.
John Doe, I think the OP was referring to JK saying that the one Hermione used was the only one to enter Hogwarts
kataw0404 yeah basically what if they all used the same one(maybe there was one reserved for Hogwarts students), this ridding is of the plot hole
Thus and thus thus thus and thus
Another solution: in book 5, Harry's excuse for occlumency lessons was remedial potions with Snape. Perhaps it's possible to achieve OWLs after the normal testing date, or take extra classes during time off, as the students responding to "remedial potions" didn't react as if it was totally unheard of, just embarrassing for Harry. Perhaps there are also ways to achieve these OWLs through self study or homeschooling, which Hermione would not have had an easy opportunity to do as a muggleborn.
This theory makes much more sense than the time turner. It's like taking classes over the summer to get more electives
I'm just seeing this after posting my response - exactly what I was thinking!!! Only simply put. Well done!!
@@movinitwithmel4631 Great minds think alike! (But fools seldom differ :)
I was looking for this comment, it would fit better than JK Rowling making a loophole in a clarification anyways.
Another possible explanation is that the electives previously had slightly different schedules that allowed students to take everything without a time turner.
right, because by my brief calculations there should be an easy 30 hours a week available for classes, if not more.
Me:*sees the title* unbelievable. Unrealistic. I'll never be convinced.
Me after the video:*John mulaney voice* oh oKaY
You're a little fat girl, aren't you?
Turner cash you’re bein mean
Calm down
K Cow Art It’s a joke from a John Mulaney stand-up
Oh sorry lol didn’t get the reference😂
Well Hermione was dealing with extra stress that year: worrying about Harry and Ron, concerns about Sirus and studying to help Hagrid out of his legal issues regarding Buckbeak. Also the others may have passed thier exams, but Hermione was intending to get perfect grades in her classes.
Ron: If one person can feel all that, they'd explode.
Hermione: That's just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon.
🤣🤣
TookItHomeToJenny Ron actually helped Hagrid with his legal issues with Buckbeak-
@@charlottelile6732 At first the three of them just promised to be character witnesses before the first hearing. That hearing occurred right around the start of winter break, and that's when they learned Buckbeak could possibly be executed, so all three began researching. However, Ron and Harry promptly forgot after the whole Christmas/Firebolt thing so Hermione did all the research until Buckbeak lost his hearing and that's when Ron takes over. It's unclear exactly when that is, but we know it's "around Easter" (the next time they see Hagrid after they learn about the lost hearing is the same day Hermione drops Divination which "confirms" Trawlaney's prediction about someone leaving around Easter). Of course, this is a fairly vague timeframe as Easter moves quite a lot - but Hermione did spend at least a few months doing all the research on her own.
McGonagall had to negotiate pretty hard in order to get her that time turner, though. It probably would've taken months, which would mean that they were talking about it before Black even escaped. Hagrid's legal issues don't come up until after the start of term where she already has the time turner, & taking care of Harry & Ron while also being determined to get all perfect grades are entirely her own prerogative, & therefore wouldn't be considered in granting her the time turner.
bob8mybobbob are you sure? I thought ron did it and in the movies hermione?
A big part of Hermione’s character (especially early on) is how by the book she is. If they told her to only use the time turner to get to class, she’d do just that. Barty, Percy, and Bill probably used it to also catch up on work (and sleep) but 3rd year Hermione would follow the law to the letter.
Percy was more fussy about rules than Hermione, so I can't see him using it for other purposes. Now Bill and Barty, yes.
@kaylapounds1359 except percy would have had Bill, to give him the sleep advice
Percy took 12 classes in his 7th year (12 NEWTs). This would've been the same year Hermiond had the only time turner to enter Hogwarts. Doubt they shared.
Unless, due to time travel, they both had their own time turner that was still the same time turner at the same time.
if time travel exist, then same object can co-exist simultaniously at the same time
@@RianTuanakotta very well put! :)
That could be why Hermione was having such a hard time at it. She not only had to use the Time Turner, but she had to share it 😂
@@TheRealBellatrixLestrange exactly my thought
If Barty Crouch Jr had a time turner, then David Tennant officially has 2 characters who travelled through time. Forever my Doctor 💙
Scrooge McDuck too! 😻
Don’t forget Tennant as Crowley from Good Omens. He has the ability to STOP time if you count that.
Doctor Who ?
mmmm...Rassilon, I love that man.😍😊
Both also owned boxes that were bigger on the inside.
If there was ever only 1 timeturner in Hogwarts, it could've been passed down from student to student through McGonagall. Notice how Barty, Bill, Percy, and Hermione's need for it never overlap.
I also love that when Percy entered the Battle of Hogwarts he says “am I late?”
“Fred and George the other two Weasley side characters”
Me: SIDE CHARACTERS?! HA! THEY’RE THE STARS OF THE SHOW!
and one of them is holy... I had to
pokemon projekt cz and rockruff gaming I have so much respect for u right now
What if fred and George took completely different classes to each other and just shared notes with each other about the classes they weren't in.
pokemon projekt cz and rockruff gaming of all the jokes in the world you choose 'im holy'?
He’s not Fred, I am!
A time-turner? Weatherby??? NEVER.
WeAtHeRbY
TiMe TuRnEr
NeVEr
lol Percy's name is now Parky Weatherby lol
Title: *Percy Weasley had a time turner*
Me: Ooh, what background will Ben say about Percy in the beginning of the episode?
Ben: "heRmiONe GraNgEr-"
Me: ...
Garanseho same! 😂
I want to see a short story about Percy using his time turner nefariously to score his girlfriend. Including him struggling with the shame of breaking the rules.
Let's be honest, the internal struggle over breaking rules would take up 3/4s of the story
@@miyu1424 I'm not sure how that stops any of what he's talking about
I’m surprised that Tom Riddle was not included in this theory. The twins equate being Head Boy with getting 12 OWLS. What if Tom Riddle had a time turner 😨😨
the only info they have is bill. of course they make that connection
Also tom would have abused it for sure
He wouldn't have taken Muggle Studies.
if tom riddle had gotten the time turner no student ever again would be allowed one
@@movinitwithmel4631 he might've when you consider that during his time at Hogwarts, he played off being this nice and kind orphan boy.
What if the class were in another order until Percy did the owls, so everybody could take them but a lot o students were under too much pressure and dropped the extra classes so Dumbledore changed the class schedule so that no other student has to suffer under the stress
I've often thought about this. The Hogwarts schedule is pretty confusing. It often bothers me because the Gryffindor's have no classes with the Ravenclaws. Not even electives. Yet Ginny has classes with Luna. To me this indicates the schedule moves with the year.
My High school did this with the 4 AP science courses (all 4 offered at the same single time slot) so you couldn’t take more than 1 without doing an independent study.
@@bboops23 Which makes the most sense. It's actually the same in the real world.
Actually 3 because of Scrooge McDuck in the Ductails reboot
@@kw5342 in the real world I've never seen a schedule planned identically for everyone every year of schooling. If that were the case then everyone would have the same schedule just different teachers to fill the time slots. Realistically a school does a fairly set schedule by grade with little variations between which teacher has what time slot. The 9th grade classes will usually have these available time slots and the 10th grade have these. Not well the class of 2020 gets these time slots every year till graduation.
Two other options: 1 - Staffing, had more instructors thus easier scheduling or 2 - one on one studies with a professor as nobody else in there year wanted to take the class. Thus no Time Turner needed.
The staffing thing makes sense because there are several times where the books refer to "the Transfiguration department" or something similar. Why have an entire department for 1 professor?
@@sirmurford2737 and as there are people qualified to subsitute in in the books, ie professor grubbly- plank filling in for hagrid...the staffing thing makes sense
Or 3, you can take the test without having taken the class, like the AP test in the US.
@@Altakotumo Especially if your dad is literally the government appointed foremost expert in one of the fields.
@@davidottewa372 that's a good point. Percy and Bill could have basically self-taught Muggle Studies over summer(s).
Hermione didn’t grow up in a magical family either,, She would’ve had way more to learn from scratch.
but also would have an entire class aced already. her taking muggle studies is like a kid who grew up bilingual taking the class they already speak.
I don't think growing up in a magical family gives you much time ahead. As someone who learned coding at university I can say the people who had done coding in high school didn't have much of an advantage.
Ninjamanhammer maybe, But you’d learn and watch from a young age that magic is possible and can do a lot of things. So you’re definitely getting a head start over someone that has “weird“ things happen occasionally that no one can explain.
@@blindbrad4719 And that head start matters for like the first four weeks of year one, it won't matter when you get your optional classes in year three.
Ninjamanhammer possibly, but how so? My thinking is you’ll see a lot more magic happen with your parents as wizards in slightly more than a decade then you will at Hogwarts. Especially if you take a liking to something that you’re going to choose to do. Mummy what’s this, daddy show me this et cetera. Hermione would have just had random things happening and not knowing what they are, then she’s going to be bombarded with a massive amount of information and sensory overload and be like, I want to do everything!
Notice the wording: “the only timeturner to ever enter Hogwarts”, this doesn’t technically cancel out the possibility that other students used a timeturner, just that if they did, it was the same exact one Hermione used.
Me, trying to decide between all the art electives in high school: time turners you say?
"The only time turner ever to enter hogwarts" but not the only student.
Maybe there was 1 time Turner designated to Hogwarts so only the most exceptional student each year was able to use it.
Not if they need it for three years.
So does that mean that Tom Riddle once had a time turner?
@@JU188 I don't think Tom Riddle would have taken muggle studies or divination, do you?
Should be a time turner designated for only a very short travel back in time, just enough to take another subject. And no possibility of going forward in time. As we know from the saving of Sirius the turner can go back at least three hours....maybe four is the maximum. So at noon you can start the morning again with other subjects.
I had a thought concerning the philosophers stone, the book states that Percy keeps giving Harry really bad advice in chess, and Percy seems like the type of character that would be good at chess, he's smart and he grew up with Ron whose good at chess, so one reason for this could be that hes so tired that he isn't thinking clearly
You must remember that the quote about Hermione's time Turner the only one to enter Hogwarts could be a lie McGonagall told a second year to make sure she would not be tempted to discuss it with anyone. Another possibility is that Bill and Percy had alternate day classes. One day they went to a certain class and another day they went to a different one. Also remember that Harry got a good OWL grade for every class he cared about. It would be easy for Bill and Percy to just scrape by in the classes they care less about and still say they have an OWL in every class.
ooof juicy theory, percy's character is always strange so it could be legit!
It's the only way!
I guess I would be grumpy too, if I was effectively awake for several extra hours a day to carry the class load and do the homework and prefect/ head boy duties. No wonder he is a grumpy pants
Him: Percy had a time turner
Me: *thinks of Percy Jackson*
LOL IF Percy Jackson had a time Turner he'd only use it to go back in time to slap Hera and then Do it again in the future 😂😂
@@SilviaNight99 Oh much gosh, I thought the same thing! Then I got excited that SCB were doing a PJ/ HoO thingy but then I remembered that this was the wrong universe.
I clicked on this video solely to check the comments and see if anyone else had this thought. I have found my people
@@EveryDayALittleDeath PJ and HP fans unite 😂
Ha’
I think that the reason Hermione struggled with her class load is because she made a promise to ONLY use it to go to her classes. This would mean that she wouldn’t have taken extra study time, because she was trying so hard to live up to her promise. Also I think the reason Mcgonagall had Hermione promise to do exactly that is because there had previously been problems with the people who had used the time turner before her. It’s not hard to imagine that Crouch got up to some Dealth Eater type stuff or that Bill used the time turner to cause a bit of mischief, or even that Percy used the time turner to do extra patrols to live up to his position as Perfect
This reminded me of this guy at my school who could only take 4 classes in a semester but taught himself 5 other subjects outside of class so that he could take 9 AP tests, and he passed them all! Maybe Bill, Percy, and Barty are just freakishly dedicated haha
Looking up was SPEW stands for is a complete mood 😂
What if they just all used the same time turner? Then it's still the only time turner to ever enter Hogwarts!
Rachel McNally good point
And McGonagal was their Head of House. (Well except Barty. Wasn’t he Ravenclaw?). Which Minerva and Hermione have several parallels (most notably being Gryffinclaw Hatstalls).
So the TimeTurner’s McGonagal’s. She let the Weasleys and Hermione borrow it.
(Also somebody please remind me Barty’s House. I can see Flitwick and Minnie passing a shared Timeturner back&forth.)
Anonymous Fellow it never says, I’d say he’s between slytherin and ravenclaw, I’m leaning more towards ravenclaw tho
Guys he's a Slytherin
Funny Bunny where does it say that?
"...the only time-turner ever to have entered Hogwarts."
Nowhere does *that* say that it only entered Hogwarts for that year.
You can teach yourself a course. High schools let you take AP tests on subjects you didn’t take for college credit on the subject
Dawlish also got all O's on 12 of his OWL's. Dumbledore mentions it when they are about to attempt to arrest him book 5.
True
False, that wasn't about owls, that was about newts (or whatever that called), final exam in school.
Yaroslav Panych that makes it even more impressive.
@@abigailslade3824 because surely passing OWLs was a prerequisite
Dumbledore said that Dawlish had O in all his NEWT s, but he didn't said 12 NEWT s. #OOP
One of the things that I was always annoyed by was how their schedules made no sense. I personally think they did have Time Turners and Hermione's issue was simply being too involved in Harry's stuff.
Ben: Are you trying to tell me no one in the history of hogwarts has wanted to take all the classes! I went to high school I knew those kids!
Me: ....I am that kid
I am also that kid and I remind myself of Hermione so much that it scares me sometimes
I think a simpler explanation is that Hermione was the only student taking every class in her year, and it was impossible to schedule all of the classes around one student's workload
Me reading a title: "What a nonsense"
Me in the middle of the video: "I see what u mean..."
Me after the video: "Its DEFINETLY true!"
Every single time...
Tomáš Solil Yes! 😂😂😂
Same 😂
First time
Another thing about Hermione... She can't draw. She only reads books and she cannot draw, even if she's reading a how to draw book
glad to have found you
@@zoe1482 glad someone gets this
I love you
@@simdivya and I love you, random citizen!
Lillian Manuel it’s big brain time
I like that he’s calling the first book The Philosophers Stone rather than it’s US name. It’s a book written by a UK writer set in the UK so the proper name for it would be the UK version
So - I think that Barty Crouch, Percy were such "Do-Gooders" that they might have been working for their OWL's before that year. And they might not have spent time with friends during any of the 7 years - (which explains their characters).
However Bill - He seems lovely. And I would not be shocked if Sirius and James also somehow collected 12 just for the heck of it. EFFORTLESS SMARTS. lol
Sirius and James were too busy teaching themselves to be animagi that they skived off studying.
I’m still confused how they always come up with great ideas for videos
3:35
Ben: Can we quote Lockhart in this video?
Jordan: seems kind of off topic.
Editor: challenge accepted!
MAGYK!
Who else thinks Hermoine used the time turner to replay the moment she slapped Draco? If she didn't I will.
Didn't she and Harry see that moment when they went back in time? I wouldn't have blamed her for going back to watch it again though XD
@@pinkcowjl that's only in the movie. in the book hermione slapped draco a few days before the event
"Barty, Percy and Bill" is such a crazy array of people. It's blood-chilling thinking of a Death Eather as brilliant as Crouch having one of those things.
Like others. As far as I'm concerned, "The Cursed Child" is NOT canon.
RealmOfWonders smh, wasn’t aware you wrote the Harry Potter series..
@@blendedtime8162 It's pretty obvious JKR didn't write The Cursed Child, so it all works out. ;)
Joseph Davies 😂 it was adapted from Rowlings original story 🤦🏻♀️
@@blendedtime8162 I assume that you have read the cursed child. Did you actually, for a second, think it was Canon? It's a play written by others. She Prolly only said that to fluff up sales and make some more money.
It definitely isn't. Anyone who says it's canon is wrong.
"Only one to enter the castle"
Not
"Only person to ever use one in hogwarts"
Hermione: doesn’t complete all 12 0WL’s because she’s an overachiever she doesn’t want to admit that she’s human and sometimes make mistakes.
Scb: That totally means that three other minor characters can travel through time.
As I remember it as well, Herminoe had the time turner because of a timetable clash, but timetables change every year, so there may well not have been any clashes for Percy/Bill/Barty's OWL years
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“J.K Rowling And The Cursed Canon”
I actually love the idea of Barty Crouch Jr being a timelord again.
This made me smile 😁
Well she did say “the only time turner to enter hogwarts” implying that the time turner that she uses was the only time turner to enter. But it could just mean that bill and Percy used the same time turner, just at a different time. It would still make the statement “the only time turner to enter hogwarts” true.
AHxIntrovert44 well don’t take anything she hasn’t published too seriously. Her statements change on a whim
Hermione: takes 12 classes and eventually cracks
Me: takes calculus and immediately cracks
Sorry to her that.
SAME 😝
The only other explanation is they stopped doing weekend classes for Harry's year! (But continued it for older classes until they left!)
I actually never really thought about this but now that I do , I feel like maybe Bill, Percy or Barty Crouch Jr. didn't have time turners because they didn't feel the need for it . Hermione, in my opinion, was the most eager .
For one , Fred, George and Ginny ( the three Weasleys mostly responsible for teasing other characters ) weren't really seen talking about Bill being extremely nerdy like Hermione , and Percy was always described as pompous, arrogant and irritating but not exactly as studious as Hermione.
What I think the reason they didn't need a time turner was because even though they did take all subjects , they didn't attend every class . I do agree that they can't have missed all lessons for a class and passed it just from studying on their own , but perhaps they looked through the syllabus and decided which lessons they'd need to attend and which they'd understand on their own .
Hermione , however , couldn't tolerate missing even one lesson as she was determined to get the highest score being the perfectionist she was . Not wanting to miss any lesson is why she , I think , required a time turner .
She was cracking under the pressure of the 12 classes not because she was trying to take all of them , but because she was trying to ace each one .
Bill , Percy and Barty managed to pass all 12 and Hermione decided to drop two classes because she wasn't too interested in them , and mainly because she wanted to ace all classes which was practically impossible when even attending each lesson needed a time turner .
Just what I thought .
You know how Hermione says “don’t interact with your past selves”? If it was just her and she already knew she had a time turner or would at some point. and she was by herself.… it wouldn’t really matter.
always wondered about that as well
Trenzalore394 that makes sense, but I wondered about it cause we never got a satisfying explanation
Real issue is having someone see two of you.
I think it has something to do with the fact that everything that happens when you time travel has to have already happened. But you didn't see it happen, yet. But if you see yourself, but you hadn't already seen yourself, that's a paradox that can't be fixed. Even this IDEA could drive you mad if you think about it too long, but actually experiencing it could also have unforeseen effects that might alter reality or cause other issues.
Did that make sense? It turns out, it's really hard to explain time travel.
Erika Joy especially because we don’t know what would actually happen
I assume we never see Harry attend flying but everyone else does
Bboops23 yeah he wouldn’t need to take it if he’s getting extra lessons in quidditch practice
@@locallance1529 He'd still need to take it, however the reader has no need to see it, as anything attained in said class make more sense narritively to be shown during practice.
We also never see him take astronomy classes, only exams 😊
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I could see him getting an exemption. Like how real schools sometimes allow students to count football, basketball, heck even marching band as phys Ed Credit.
Ha! Right? They get one flying lesson, first year, and then nothing else transportation related until Apparition.
Exactly Ben, the way time turners are used making the timeline self-consistent is great. Also why the Cursed Child doesn't make sense, because it isn't abiding by the same rules.
Hermione's intelligence is all in memory retention and logic. Awesome traits by their own merit, but as we know from her interactions with Luna, her creative intelligence either doesn't match, or she's too much of a rule-follower to let it flourish.
OWLs aside, Hermione also never really accomplishes anything on the level of Dumbledore (deluminator, twelve uses of dragons blood, "contact with the most notable witches and wizards of the day", being published in Transfiguration Monthly), Snape (all the potions and spells he reworks/invents) or James Potter and co. (marauder's map, animagus by 15). Those things don't just require perfectly correct retention and copying of instructions, they require imagination and creativity.
I imagine Bill and Barty Jr. thought of ways to get around certain limitations, maybe even using the room of requirement to get extra sleep while stipulating to the room that no other version of them can enter. Percy was probably just too stubborn to fail.
Barty didn't need time turner though - he had a Tardis.
Glad someone pointed that out
what's a tardis?
@@sanjivanie8221 google too hard?
@@sanjivanie8221 it's the time machine from doctor who
David Tennant, who played Crouch Jr also played the Doctor, so he didn't need a time turner because he already had a TARDIS
@@kjs8719 thanks! I did google it but it just told me it's the time machine from doctor who. I didn't know the actors were same thanks again
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If Percy or Billy had timeturners, they could have use it to pass their divination test by first waiting to know what they did during the test to pass the exam and then going back in time to take the test knowing what to do
Using Rowling as a source is pretty bad at this point. She's made up so much that she doesn't know what she's said.
It's because she invented a school. The world kinda demanded a world 🙃
Mate she made all of it up
bro... she made it all up. That's kind of what being an author is.
she made up every step of this dude. doesnt matter how you feel about it, she is the final word on the subject.
So some people didn't understand what I meant by this. When you're an author and you make up something that contradicts previous stories you lose credibility. She's done this way too often and has lost a ton of credibility
he mastered divination and forethough all the ansewrs to his owl's.
duh...
1:03 Ben wheezing after having an asthma attack while the camera was rolling.
Idea: Barty Crouch Jr. should have survived Goblet of Fire so he could actually be a useful villain and maybe even act as a foil to Percy.
Buckbeaks case and Ron’s drama and being Harry Potters friend are all contributing factors for why the workload was overwhelming in her 3rd year. Shouldn’t be overlooked imo
If percy had a time turner wouldn't you see him more often, seeing that he was in so many places at once? I don't know just a thought
It's Harry's POW, he is a unreliable narrator.
He would be spending most of those time in the library i guess
@@86upsmayahe could only be in the library once outside of even more class time /before lights out.
Totally read this in your voice
@@ajflores6039 😂😂
Bill Weasley is my man, brightest wizard of his year
The "we hardly ever see Percy" reason doesn't really work: Percy is *4* years ahead of them. They wouldn't see him much anyways, especially with his Prefect duties.
(also, the twins are the comic relief - they have to be there)
I would like to suggest an alternative approach (especially in Barty's case). Simply spend hours and hours with Severus and learn all you can about potions, right? Simply learn how to brew felix felicis (with Snape's guidance of course) and then "all of your endeavors will be successful". As difficult as this potion is to brew correctly, I believe this to be a great alternative to time turning your way into 12 OWLS.
I always thought it was weird that Hermione only got an E in Defense Against the Dark Arts. Like, they only did that so Harry would be better at something.
Honestly I understand.....but i don't have to like it >.>
I disagree. Harry got a better score because he has better instincts for defense against the dark arts. The Patronus charm is incredibly difficult and Hermione has extreme difficult with the spell. Harry even mused at this in Deathly Hallows.
@@Tempest7575 Yeah I know that but that also felt like a Hermione nerf if anything. One thing Harry could do that she couldn't.
Kinda makes sense considering the teachers she had
Hermione can't be perfect at everything.
Hermione would be twitching so hard cause bens moustache its so uneven I was the whole video 😂
I read this person writing on how much Hermione got older. They managed to calculate everything and it resulted in about 4 to 6 weeks older after the 3 years (cause she dropped 2 classes and probably didn't use her time turner, not to say not all)
But she also was petrified for 3 weeks during her 2d year, ad as she wasn't explicitely fed or anything we can assume her metabolism was frozen.
So, in total she's probably between 1 to 3 weeks older... Which is kinda ironic cause being 3 weeks older would have allowed her to get admitted to hogwarts a year sooner
Though for Percy, Bill and Barty Croupton Jr. they probably were around 3 to 4 months older after their O.W.L.S so about 1 month older per extra classes
"Can you imagine not having any instruction all year and still passing?"
J's just telling us about the perils of online school
“J K Rowling and the canon problem”
No the Cursed cannon
Hermione Granger, nice.
I love me CANNON dealing with the CANNON shots JK Rowling does with her massive CANNON mounted on top of her house
Ben's "head canon"... shivers
瀬華侑 I’m sry but pls don’t put 2 N’s it’s canon, cannon is a weapon
Hermionie had extra pressure helping Harry & Ron so 10 is far more impressive. Her career was also more successful than any of the other 3 mentioned.
Daniel Burris Exactlu
I saw someone’s math and the extra aging cancelled out with when she didn’t age when petrified.
Maybe Percy is a seer. He recommends Divination to Harry as one of his favourite subjects, after all. He could predict examination questions and learn the answers (it seems like cheating, but if you can't help seeing the future, it's not really your fault). It would explain lots of his actions, even though he might have interpreted some events wrongly.
“I had Hermione give back the only Time-Turner ever to enter Hogwarts.” What if Hermione’s is the same one Bill, Percy and batty (sorry) barty had?
Wait they only did flying once, did they even show astronomy at all?
Also I like the idea that Barty was so good at acting he could fake being good at tests
Book, sure. Movie...?? In the 5th book it must... You know, when Hagrid is like at night and you know...
Astronomy is mentioned a few times in the book.
Percy, Bill, and Barty were all born into wizarding families. The could have achieved a lot of learning before they even entered school, and maybe even had tutoring outside of school by their parents and in Barty's case may have even had private tutoring outside of school. The spellcasting detection is limited to knowing where magic was casted and didn't work around other wizards meaning in their homes they could have had plenty of time to practice magic outside of school. Yes they may not have been allowed to cast because they were underage; but would that hold true if wizarding families really wanted to homeschool their children early and give them an advantage? I always thought it was silly that magic teaching started at 11 for the wizardborn; from age 6 onwards there is no reason why a wizarding family wouldn't want to start teaching at least the basics to give their children an edge.
Hermione has had 12 years of experience with Muggle Studies, all she'd need would be an exam-primer a month before the exam and she'd probably ace it. Percy and Bill have spend years listening to their dad so they'd have a solid foundation of it too. We've also seen her answer questions in class with what she learned during the summer. It's not that hard to imagine Bill and Percy also studying extra during summer.
Honestly, I just think JK made a mistake in saying that they got 12 OWL's. It is impossible to take all of the 12 classes at the same time due to an overlap in the schedule (unless the schedule changed). So the only option was to use a time turner. But at the time we got the the 12 owl information about P and Bill in CoS, JK probably hadn't figured out time turners yet.
So imo, that is just another mistake of JK. We can always just ask her on Twitter.
J.K. Rowling planned all of the books before she actually started to write them so she would've had to invent time turners before she wrote it. I don't think they had time turners anyway.
@@daliam8715 I believed she planned the main plot ahead before writing the books and then added details during her writing process. So I do believe she just made a mistake.
@@bisnesify She did, But I just assume that she had thought about the time turner in advance considering how long she spent planning it, though I do think she made a mistake somewhere even if it was her saying that the other boys got 12 owls. There have been other comments saying that they could've taken extra classes with teachers or that it was the same time turner they used, but I think she might've not planned enought details about OWLs when she wrote a few things.
@@daliam8715 yeah, I think so too
When you're so early there are no comments staring back at you
Hagrid says in Half-Blood Prince that they probably would have had to apply for a time-turner to take his class with their others.
Dry ice though amiright??
Probably (also I’m a Ravenclaw Ben!)
Totally. It needs some lotion
Y'know..because dry skin
And lotion
You know I actually have no idea where I was going with that