Why Percy HATED the Weasleys - Harry Potter Explained
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- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today, we’ll be taking a look at the how and why of Percy Weasley’s estrangement from his family. To start with, Percy was not the-easiest-wizard to get along with. He was an incredibly ambitious, somewhat pompous young man, who had great admiration for authority. Percy was also incredibly dedicated to rising above his family’s modest station in life, pursuing recognition and status through powerful employment. This, of course, includes his interests in becoming a prefect, Hogwarts’ Head Boy in his final year at school, and an employee at the Ministry of Magic.
As the third chi*ld of Arthur and Molly Weasley, Percy was very much a middle chi*ld-younger than both Bill and Charlie, and older than Fred, George, Ron and Ginny. Despite his great ambitions in life, he was-sadly for him-somewhat forgettable amidst all the chaos and vibrancy that filled the Weasley home.
And while all that sensibly may have contributed to Percy feeling a little “left out” among his fellow family members, it certainly doesn’t explain why he fell out with them completely.
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He didn't hate his family. He was exasperated by their lack of ambition and humiliated by second hand things at school.
It's surprising that he didn't end up a Slytherin
That's a hair's breadth away from hatred. You know that, right?
When I took which Weasley are you quizzes, my answers were Percy, I wonder why.
@@hakim6933 It would be nice to see wizarding families of mixed Hogwarts Houses.
That's rather like being a turd.
He didn’t hate them. At most he was embarrassed by their status and reputation, but he didn’t hate them. The book should be more referenced, especially the moments leading up to Fred’s death.
Percy was also kind of unfairly picked on by his family, which Fred and George even acknowledge.
I dont think Percy actually sided with the minister, but it was more of an act of defiance. “They won’t take me seriously, I’ll show them what the other option is.” Type of thing.
Sometimes I think I’m being picked on my family(maybe I am maybe I’m not). On which Weasley quizzes am I, my answers are Percy.
I remember in the book - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - how worried he was for Ron during the water contest, and after he was rescued - how he blanketed his younger brother and kept hugging him. He loved his family.
But he was the middle child and felt overlooked, so when his one chance to shine was doubted by his father he got on his hind legs. I'm just glad they all made up in the end. I even remember the joke he said about quitting the ministry - and he was there for poor poor Fred.
I didn't think he was overlooked. If anything, I think his parents in particular seemed to give him extra favor because he was so successful, well-behaved and hard working, whereas Molly was hard on the twins because of their pranks and because they were foolish slackers.
I think the way his family especially the twins treated him also played a role. I didn't like Percy much in the first six boooks either, but it is interesting how people perceive the same thing depending on popular a character is. Fred and George hide Percy's stuff and make fun of him. Everybody: "Oh they are so funny." Other students hide Luna's stuff and make fun of her. Everybody: "Poor Luna, the other kids are so mean."
One is just sibling jokes, while the other is bully from students who want her to feel bad and angry
@@braylin5003 Is it just sibling jokes? They do the same and I am under the impression that Percy also feels bad and angry about it even more than Luna. The more often I read it the more I get the impression that Fred and George also bullied Percy and many readers dismisssed it as sibling jokes because we like the twins and disliked Percy.
@@patrickdematosribeiro1845 is more because of their intentions, like they did most of these jokes in the comfort of their home in which only they were allowed to annoyed Percy. escentially, siblings things that we usually see the older sibling do, which in this case is do by the middle child.
@@braylin5003 It also happened at Hogwarts, for example during christmas in book two. I think in many cases the problem with bullying is that the bullies perceive what they do as just a laugh while the victim perceives it differently. I don't think Fred and George had bad intentions, but I think they went a bit to far, not only with Percy. Ron is still afraid of spiders years after one of their pranks. If a joke causes the victim a phobia that is a sign they went to far. They also tried to manipulate him into making an unbreakable vow when he was young which could potentially kill him. I also fail to see how the tongue tying toffee they used on Dudley is funny not to mention they sell love potions which can be used for sexual assaults. They may not have bad intentions, but I think their sense of humour goes far to far on several occassions. And I do think the way they treated Percy may have contributed to his decision to abandon the family although it was not the main reason.
Patrick, so true I can’t read the books anymore because all I see is the hypocrisy. If the good characters do it it is good but wrong when the bad characters do it. I really didn’t like the twins much because I saw them as bullies.
I liked Percy's story in the books, not because of the horrible things he did, but because despite what he did, he was welcomed back. It shows that the people who care about will always love you and have you back despite your mistakes and flaws
He didn't hate his family. He was blinded by his ambition and believed that his family lacked it and after Voldemort appeared in the ministry. He let his pride get in the way of reconciliation.
You are right, Percy doesn't hate them, but only Molly loves him the rest never once in books 1-6 did anything to imply they even like him. They were also on the whole douchbags to him so really Percy walking out on them was an inevitability.
Let's take a look from his perspective.
He lives in the shadow of Charlie and Bill, trying to live up to their reputations. He spends his time at school following the rules, for which he gets ignored or mocked. His brothers play pranks and break rules, and they're cheered on by his peers. The only people on "his side" are his parents.
Then, he gets a job at The Ministry. His boss can't be bothered to remember his name, and when he goes missing, Percy is interrogated as if it's his fault. Then, after an absolutely horrible year, his patience is finally rewarded! He gets promoted to be Fudge's assistant! Eager and brimming with pride, he goes home to tell his parents!
Who inform him that Fudge ISN'T promoting him for his worth. But because he wants spy among the Weasley's.
Disowning them isn't an overreaction. It's the last straw in a long line of "slights" he's felt directed at himself.
He spends the next year supporting the Ministry, distancing himself from his family... only for them to be proven right!
Of course, he can't forgive them for being right. Not when their stance was always so "hostile" towards him.
Could go on, but I've already written a book.
In short, Percy didn't hate his family. He just cracked under the pressure, and lashed out at the easiest targets.
He loved his family, he just didn't share the same views as them. He made mistakes, but ultimately came back in the end to attempt to reconcile with his family and fight alongside them.
After Fred's death, he immediately went after the death eater that caused it.
Before watching I'll put in my guess. Arthur telling Percy he was only being promoted was to get to Arthur. And yes it's true, but to Percy it would come off as, you can't accomplish anything unless there's an ulterior motive. Basically telling Percy all his hard work in school was worthless. Again, Arthur was right, he was only being promoted to get at his family, but he definitely worded it badly and Percy turned away from said family.
Yes!!! I guessed right. 😁
It seemed like Percy felt insulted by Arthur and took his advice to be condescending. In his mind Percy might have felt insulted that his mediocre father who has often been passed up for promotion would accuse him of not earned his more prestigious job at the ministry after all the hard work he has put in.
Arthur wasn't wrong though he worked for the ministry for years and new that it took a certain level of ambition and making friends with certain families to get ahead in the ministry. It's why Arthur's office was so underfunded in comparison to other departments because of how pureblooded families have been buying ministers for magic for ages.
Percy's estrangement is pretty well explained (if you read closely) in the novels.
Well I didn't read them.
@@repvoid7680 They're really quite good. And there are little side plots that are interesting as well as giving a little more depth to the characters.
He was always a bit different than the rest of them, the falling out was really Arthur's fault, though. Harry even called it. The very ambitious Percy became Barty Crouch Sr.'s assistant after graduation and was treated with very little respect from Crouch but he largely replaced Crouch's job duties in GOF thanks to some of the events in that book . After the events of GOF he was promoted which was a little surprising to some because he just continued doing Crouch's work and insisted that Crouch was just not well but never caught on to the truth of the matter with Crouch's disappearance.
After letting the family know he was promoted Arthur straight up without any tact told him he thought he was being promoted just so Fudge and the Ministry could keep a closer eye on the Weasleys and the Order (which was likely true). But even when Harry later heard that Arthur straight up told Percy that Harry even said "oh I bet Percy loved that". Because if you knew Percy's character of course he was going to lash back in the extreme at that. Percy predictably exploded on Arthur in front of the rest of the family and he accurately assaulted Arthur for hurting his own career because of his lack of ambition and even more accurately blamed him for the Weasleys being poor even if it was a low blow. Then in a rage he less accurately ripped on him for believing everything Dumbledore said just as an FU to his dad whether he really believed it or not and the bridge was completely burned after that until late in the seventh book where he still showed he was still a Weasley, especially after Fred was killed.
I kind of felt sorry for how heartbroken Molly was about it, she cried when Percy sent back his Christmas sweater although he did give her a hug when Scrimgeour forced him to return to the house in HBP though he completely ignored the rest of the family and they threw mashed parsnips at him which just made Mrs. Weasley cry even more after Percy stormed out, they tried to cheer her up by insulting Percy which only upset her even more. Percy didn't seem to have the same animosity towards Molly even at his worst
I think you mean Fudge was the one spying on the family in Book 5. Crouch Sr was killed by his own son right before Task 3 of the Tri Wizard Tournament in Book 4.
@@EricasTouch Oh yeah, I meant Fudge there. Crouch would be dead by that point. That can happen on a long comment, fixed
@@gugurupurasudaikirai7620 Still saying Crouch when you mean Fudge.
Why exactly would he be suspicious about someone that he knew less than 8 months? If anything why were the adults that knew and worked with Crouch for decades like Arthur not even the least bit suspicious about him dumping the work load on an 18 year old workaholic who is eager to please and fresh out of school.
I hated how he treated his family after Book 4 but I think he did it out of being ashamed of being poor. He wanted to show how people could do better in life but I think he went about it the wrong way. And sadly it took him too long to realize his mistake.
I think Percy was under the Imperius Curse from the fourth book until the last book
@@albinappelberg-gripenI would not be surprised if umbridge put him under it
@@albinappelberg-gripen Because cutting of an information line is helpful, how? You people should really try actually thinking about how the Weasleys as a whole treated him and maybe consider the estrangement was actually an inevitability regardless of what the A-plot was given how outside of Molly none of the Weasleys ever did anything to show they genuinely liked Percy beforehand or even after.
Not the oldest son, not the youngest son. Not the charismatic explorer nor the troublesome twins. Not the girl. Percy really was forgotten in that family. No wonder he resented them.
I personally think Percy was less extraverted compared to his siblings, and loved learning over games and pranks; this made him essentially a black sheep of the Weasley Clan over years not a single moment...Harry is only ever at the Weasley household in the second book, and doesn't really see the full scope of their family dynamic. Nor is it explained how large families tend to have different dynamics than smaller ones.
I actually agreed with Percy leaving his family, as only his mother Molly seemed to really care for him when he left, which is a massive red flag in my opinion. Him reconciling with his family at the Battle of Hogwarts seemed rushed to me, and they really needed to clear up their relationships privately and it's not entirely Percy's fault.
A lot of people forget that Percy was the first to pull Ron out of The Great Lake when he was used as the precious thing for Harry on the second task of The Triwizard Tournament. This showed his true love, respect and care for his siblings. I mean, absolutely, what he did particularly to his Mother and Father was terrible (will never forgive him for sending back his annual Weasley jumper - some of us would die for one! 😂 and the fact that he slammed the door in Molly’s face when she desperately tried to make amends), but equally his story ark in the films didn’t do his apology justice. He worked for a year undercover to get out of the ministry, making ties with Aberforth. I can’t say I like Percy by any means, but the fact he then went on to call one of his daughters Molly after his Mother spoke volumes to me. As we saw Harry honour his Father and Mother, we saw Percy also do so. And knowing Molly, having a Grandaughter named after her would have been the second greatest gift of all, the first being the grandchild herself. Anyways I’ll stop pontificating like I am Percy, alls I’m saying is is I don’t think the films did him justice, or that people give him enough of a chance.
Ps he’s still my least fave Weasley though 😅
He also showed how much he cared for Ron in "Order of the Phoenix" during Umbridge's time as High Inquisitor - the letter he sent congratulating Ron on becoming a Prefect, which contained advice to attach himself to Umbridge as well as a warning to distance himself from Harry. It was misguided and ill-informed, yes, but Percy WAS trying to help his brother succeed.
Although Percy Weasley made a huge mistake in ignoring the truth and siding with a corrupt government, I by no means dislike Percy. In fact, Percy was, in my opinion, one of the only four characters (the others being Draco Malfoy, Astoria Greengrass and Dudley Dursley) who truly redeemed.
Did Astoria Greengrass ever do anything wrong?
@@dragonninja3655 Rowling revealed that like Draco, Astoria was a pureblood supremacist who grew out of her beliefs as an adult.
@@underworldprincess I thought that was her older sister.
At least one child in a big chaotic family may crave order.
Percy hated his father being so poor (lack of ambition ) he snapped saying he worked against his fathers lousy reputation .
claimed only proof is harry potters word, not good enough liked ron got prefect badge he sent letter to make him dump harry
He hated being Poor of course.
So did Ron. I think if his friendship with Harry didn't matter so much to him even with the bouts of jealousy, Ron could have taken the same route Percy did.
@@katholmes7112 I don't know, Ron really was not as hard working as his brother.
@Kelly Souter yes Ron was lazy. Not dumb like the movies portrayed but very unwilling to put in the work. However, had he chosen to go down Percy's road he could have, he'd have just been looking for the easy road, the shortcut. Percy's rise was a shortcut but not because he was trying for a shortcut. Ron would have actively sought out the easy road.
@@katholmes7112 Ron only chaffed at his family's living situation and the fact that he cannot have good things in the Weasley household compared to Draco and Harry. He wasn't ashamed of being poor. For Ron it was material whereas for Percy it was about reputation.
@@katholmes7112 i definitely think Ron and Percy are somewhat similar in the sense they are somewhat misfits in their own families but Ron suffers from insecurity and not knowing who he is. Percy on the other hand knows exactly who he is and it doesn’t align with his family values. For that reason I don’t think Ron could end up like Percy.
I think he was very frustrated by his parent's reckless family management, especially by his father, which also dictated his quite irresponsible approach to his job and many other things in life. Percy though that it was the main cause for all the troubles his family had, including the financial issues, and maybe he was party correct. He though he himself had to be the breaker of a generational curse, if no one else would, he felt the responsibility but he also felt he was never given his fair share of say in the family business and that's what set him up against them for a time. He obviously didn't hate them. He loved them and that's why he tried so hard, but he had to take a stand for his own self for a period of time and they didn't make it easy for him either. I don't like the overly ambitious approach to life but perhaps it was the innate responsible character that led him to it and he though it was the only choice to make life better for his whole family. And he most probably he felt hurt and betrayed when nothing he did was appreciated. We have to look at the both sides, not presume bad intentions automatically, and see all the characters as humans with their own story and their own life, not just some kind of NPCs that are there just to do our hero's bidding.
Percy did NOT hate his family. No one in the series has a stronger reaction when one of the weasleys has died or is in danger
Percy didn't hate his family. He just want to prove himself to them. What he was doing in book 5 was because he actually believe Dumbledore want to overthrown the ministry.
Its likely when Arthur warned him about being manipulated by Fudge as he clearly had ulterior motives for giving him the job, Percy may have found that demeaning and would have incorrectly assumed his father was projecting his own failures and mediocrity on his son. Like in Percy's mind Arthur wasn't proud of him but was jealous of his success. Percy being somebody who wanted to prove himself may have felt his family who were all supporting Harry at the time was dragging him down, and any further association with them will hurt his prospects decided to distance himself from them.
It's true that in retrospect, Arthur and Molly Weasley seemed to treat Harry far better than Percy. I know that they went above and beyond in showing affection for Harry only because he was occasionally present as a guest and because he's an orphan and they wanted him to feel like he had a family that cared for him, but imagine you're a middle child who barely ever gets attention and recognition (plus you're after the 2 super cool Bill and Charlie and before the 2 epic duo of Fred and George and you're just standing in the middle knowing that every body finds you plain and not particularly interesting) and some other kid who's not even from the family gets all the love and praise
Percy was so adamant that his family and Harry were wrong about Voldemort's return, it must have been very tough for him to admit that he was wrong. I also think he was embarrassed by his father's reputation at the Ministry, he wanted the Weasley name to mean something more than a joke.
I heard, and agree that Percy is more like his mother then any other Weasley. Both have a narrow view of a good successful life; getting top marks, becoming prefect, head-boy, and getting a nice safe desk job at the Ministry. Percy is just taking his mother's views to their most extreme.
No surprise since Arthur never indicated he loved Percy so why would Percy look up to him.
@@1993digifan he loves.Percy, but Percy felt a stronger bond with his mom: it's normal to favor one parent to another.
as I understood, the Weasley's Did have status at one point, but not so much anymore.
The real question is how Percy didn't get Slytherin. I feel like your personal wanting a house should only matter to the sorting hat to a degree
It took courage to break away from the ministry while Death Eaters controlled it. I don't think he was sorted wrong. James Potter was a mega jerk, but unarmed he stood in front of Voldemort to buy his family time. James made a lot of mistakes, Percy made a lot too, but they did for the traits of Gryffindor.
He had ambition but that alone isn’t enough.
A Weasley? Sorry we're full.
We never heard of Percy rising through the ranks as a ministry employee through cunning or underhanded tactics. Percy was a social climber but he was no snake in the figurative sense. Its likely that besides doing plenty of butt kissing, he earned his lofty position as the minister's assistant through hard work.
Cuz he's a Weasley
Percy's biggest flaw is that he tends to have a very blind faith in authority figures. He never questions their morals (Umbridge) or competence (Fudge). Being ambitious isn't a bad trait by itself, but when it causes a rift between you and your loved ones, there's a serious problem.
Considering ONLY Molly ever acted like she even liked him, it's really no surprise Percy would look outside of blood for support and validation since he knew looking to father or siblings was a lost cause.
Do please prove there was any genuine love directed toward Percy from his poor victims of a father and siblings.
@@1993digifan Percy seems the kind of person who consciously keeps the distance from his family because his personality doesn't mesh with them. He's too uptight for his own good, so there's a chance that his own perception of feeling "undervalued" actually comes from not actively trying to bond with the rest of his family as much. Granted, being constantly pranked by Fred and George may have not done favors, but still, he didn't seem that eager to socialize with the rest. I speak from experience as a black sheep in my own family, since as a child I was more introverted and not as interested in partying or socializing as the rest of my immediate family, instead keeping to myself and finding my own hobbies.
The biggest question is: why wasn't Percy sorted into Slytherin?
Because the Hat saw how abusive they would be if Percy was placed in Slytherin.
I hadn't thought aboput it before- but why wasn't he put in Slytherin, then?
No more grudges ever? Special family :)
He didn't hate them, the guy was just the ultimate yes man, to whoever was in charge of the ministry, he left his job the minute he started to see where it was going near the end of the series.. aka when Voldemort took over
But i hate yes men
In the books, Percy gets tortured by Snape... and dies when he reveals the location of the order of the Phoenix's headquarters... the reason why he dies is because Mad-eyed Moody had forced him to make an unbreakable vow, before revealing the order's headquarters to him - he had gone over there to have Christmas with his family and reconcile.
He didn't hate them, he turned his back on them. But eventually came back.
He didn't hate his famiy. He was simply embarrassed by them, as they were not social climbers as he was. The estrangement could really have been because he didn't want spy on his family for the minister.
I’ve always never understood how Percy wasn’t placed in Slytherin given his characteristics
Because an 11 year old likely isn't a carbon copy of their older self. Plus if the Hat is really all knowing it likely knew that whatever strained relationship there is in canon would be non-existent if he was in Slytherin since everyone but Molly would treat him worse than they did in canon. And yet we will still be told they are blameless for everything.
Its a wonder the sorting hat didn't put him in Slytherin
Fun fact; Arthur Weasley's mother Cedrella was a member of the Black family so he might have inherited his haughty attitude from her side.
I don't think she would have married a "blood traitor" if she had that kind of attitude. If a Black was burned off the family tree, chances are they were at least decent people.
I think it’s possible that the Imperius Curse might have played a role in this at some point
Why? Wouldn't have been more useful to have him near Chosen One instead cutting ties them after years of at best them being indifferent to him?
I think hate is a bit of a strong word. He just didn't wanna settle for such a mediocre life like most of them. Like another famous wizard in his youth He was gifted, he was brilliant, he wanted to escape, he wanted to shine, he wanted glory.
Sounds like a Disney Princess
He should have been in slytherin
Percy doesn’t not hate his family in the slightest
He didn't hate his family he was mad lack of ambition😡👪
The fact he's a Gryffindor blows my mind. He reminds me of the only Weasley that could have been a Slytherin
The same could be said for Pettigrew also. I'm guessing both asked the sorting hat to be placed in their respective houses, due to not wanting to be left out.
Harry has traits of a slytherin as well. He is cunning and has a certain disregard for the rules. Harry could have been put in slytherin due to the sorting hat
He was simply immature and too proud
@@Vietmac1993 Actually, the sorting hat tells him he has a balanced mix of all the houses’ traits: a brave heart, a good mind, and cunning as you say. Add on his characteristic modesty, kindness, and loyalty to his friends and you have Hufflepuff there too. I’d argue he should’ve gone to Hufflepuff not only for his modesty but also because Hufflepuff still values the same traits as the others, it just does so more equally.
Im surprise that he never selected to Slytherin
I stand by the idea that he was under the imperio curse
Is it because you can't imagine why clearly being unloved by his father and siblings he would decide they aren't worth supporting since they would never do the same for him.
Percy was a rules follower. His family didm't always follow the rules. He wanted to get ahead.
So why wasn’t he put in Slytherin?
Besides how ELEVEN year olds can be different from their older selves, if their dynamics were the same even when he was 11, the Hat likely realized it would devolve into full blown abuse if he was placed in Slytherin.
Let's be honest, if my dad consider the job I fought tooth and nail for a ploy, and not something I earn, I'll probably resent him too.
He never hated his family, he just wanted peace and quiet.
I can relate to him lol
He had dreams and ambitions he didn’t want to be a bum like his family when they had all the tool to not be
The most ambitious Weasley 🤔
Wasn't he under mind-control for most of it?
That's only a common fan theory, but not official canon. (The same is true of his father during the first wizarding war. A lot of people think Arthur was under the imperious by Voldmort's forces during the first war, and thus why he has such contempt for it and Lucius Malfoy.)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, No! If he was wouldn't it be more useful to have him WITH them instead being an informational dead end.
Percy is full of arrogant pride, a common characteristic among Gryffindors.
Ugghhhhhhh Another Weasley.
Angry, not hate.
Percy cared more about rules and authority more than family
That was the only way to stand out among his many siblings. Even then, he was left behind.
Well they never cared about him, so their even.
@@1993digifan well the parents did
Percy's rat, Scabbers (Peter "Wormtail" Pettigrew the fallen wizard) had Percy under the Imperius Curse for years. Notice how Percy reconciled with his family eight after Pettigrew's death.
Unlikely, as Pettigrew had no wand at that time. He used Voldemort's yew-and-phoenix feather wand at the end of Book 4, and in Book 7 Ollivander revealed that he was forced to make a wand for Pettigrew by Voldemort. So unless the spineless traitor was very skilled at both nonverbal AND wandless magic (which we can surmise he as not due to being the weakest of the Marauders and they all needed at least wands to do magic), he wouldn't have been able to use the Imperious Curse on Percy.
Wouldn't it have been more useful to have him spy on the Order instead of walk out on the people that were never there for him so your weak theory makes no sense.
The one thing I hate is tht he is so stuck up when he was a prefect he was so stuck up to much of a goody goody
Guess you also hate health and safety officials who make sure rules and regulations are followed so people don't die pointless deaths.
I also find some of these comments interesting 🧐lol 😆😝as well?
This was not one moment. It was a continuous anger towards his family until he couldn't take it anymore that worst Weasley. Also he is the 1st Weasley I saw that can't take a joke or to throw one from a time to time. And no I don't mean to the Battle Of Hogwarts where he did throw some jokes, I mean in general he was never too friendly like the rest of them. And I can understand that he made a mistake for 2 years but he made it 4 years what a shame. He took it too far and I feel that one simple good conversation would have resolved it much quicker.
Why would he want to be around the people that LONG before he walked out on them never ONCE acted as if they even liked him? It's worse if you believe he has autism with some of the stereotypes that are attached to it that he exhibits.
@@1993digifan I don't believe in autism when it comes to Percy. I just saw him for what he was- A freaking JERK! I am not successful in seeing his side, because his side is driven from selfish desires.
The rift with his father was easy enough to explain, Percy was immensely mire personally ambitious than Arthur, though since it is made clear that Arthur's acceptance of muggles had stymied his career, it likely wouldn't have made a difference if Arthur was professionally ambitious.
Had my parents given me loads of brothers and sisters instead of the bright not-so-poor life I deserved, I would despise them too..
That's not a magical issue. It happens everyday. Families gazing bankruptcy eye to eye because of the children piling up.
Agree
The movie fans wouldn't know, but those that read between the lines of the books from book 5 up would
Poor family
Outside of Molly NONE of them did anything in the first 4 books to show they genuinely liked him so it's not shocking that he would decide he would be happier without them in his life.
he was better suited for slytherin. He is sly and backstabbing his own family for his gains
How did he backstab them? Hurt their feelings? Given how much they cared about his before the rift, they got less than what they deserved. He's not even sly, he is up front with pretty much everything.
You know before I played Hogwarts Legacy, I always thought the Weasley family was very average and not that important in Harry Potter Lore. Seeing good Old Ron Weasley's ancestor was a professor at Hogwarts in the 1890s changed how I view things. Assuming of course Legacy is considered canon...
Apparently the existence of Phineas Black as headmaster and Niamh Fitzgerald as a past headmistress were already canon, so why not?
Considering how small the wizard population is, it ISN'T shocking that there wasn't at least one ancestor that was a teacher at Hogwarts.
My theory was Percy was Imperioused by Wormtail. 1. Scabbers was originally his rat. 2. his initial instructions would have been something simple like work to get important in the ministry (so Wormtail could spy). 3. thats why he turned his back on his family cause it was actually Wormtail feeding him instruction to get close to the minister and discredit Harry by disowning them and Harry. 4. why he suddenly comes around at the battle of Hogwarts, Wormtail had died about a week earlier and he was coming out of the imperious.
Sounds plausible.
@@nicholasjones9705 Not if you use your brain and realize that it would've been more useful to have him stay with them to get info about the Order instead of being as far as possible from his emotionally abusive family.
Thanks
How did I never notice that Percy returned in the movies. I don't remember seeing him after the first movie.
I think Percy was under the Imperius Curse from the fourth book until the last book
Because you can't imagine why a person would leave the place filled with people that never once acted as if they even liked him?
I dont think he hated them. I have a similar view of my parents. I dont hate them but I feel like they could be in a much better position then they are in. Neither of them have that drive or that thirst to get to the top. Like for me we can be best friends but if we both come up for the same promotion I have no problem stabbing you in the back to make sure I'm the one that gets it.
Actually, I think Percy's greatest admiration was for himself - the brown-nosing was just a manifestation of this. Everything was all about Percy? his career, his views, his knowledge. His promotion to a junior attache of Fudge can hardly be seen as meritorious since he should have been censured for being too stupidly self-involvved to realise that Barty Crouch Senior's instructions were not from him at all. I think Arthur, who is probably shrewder than many would like to think, had the right of it. This selfishness can be witnessed in The Chamber of secrets when poor little ginny tries to tell Harry and Ron what she knows and Percy, assuming it must be about the secret of his relationship with Penelope Clearwater, fails - in his rank self-absorption - to notice how upset and frightened his little sister is, much less to think on the fact that her response to his arrival was disproportionate to the revelation of that kind of secret. I'd be far more interested in speculating about what turned Percy back to the Light. The cynic in me says it may simply have been that he had the creeping realisation that he was on the losing side. I'm sure his parents would have been extremely proud of him had his overweening ambition been tempered by a degree of humility; but he behaved as if he was somehow superior to the rest of them. He didn't even wish to mix in their company unless forced by meals and other family gatherings. He may have been poor but he was far from mistreated; and sibling fights don't count. All siblings fight.
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Even while in Hogwarts he was a egoistic arse. When he was appointed as prefect and he, as tradition in the family, got new robes and an owl. If he had any compassion for his siblings, he’d have tell his parents to get Ron a new wand instead one of the gifts, as he very well knew how crucial the instrument was.
And the list goes on and on.
I strongly believe he only saw sense in DH because he was scared as hell from the new regime.
Why should a 15 year old HAVE to tell two 50 year olds how to manage something that they've done 5 times already? If that's the case than Bill and Charlie should've done the same thing so that there was more money in the vault.
Didn't Percy die in the book?
Power corrupts, it corrupts absolutely.
There was always something wrong with the sorting hat.
There is little question in my mind that Neville belonged in Hufflepuff because he found his courage not in bravado, but in his LOYALTY, and his dogged perseverance.
Hermione never demonstrated any REAL courage, and her intellect [if not her wisdom that always seemed to come after the fact] marked her as a clear Ravenclaw, However her DRIVE to stand above her peers could have taken her to Slytherin, and her insane levels of hard work coupled with a desire to aid her fellow students to achieve could have stood her in good stead in Hufflepuff.
Now EVERY member of the Weasleys had been in Gryffindor.
HOWEVER it was clearly demonstrated by Harry that the hat could be, and WAS influenced by the wearer's choices.
Harry WOULD have been great in Slytherin, but the hat placed him in Gryffindor due to the boy's newly implanted prejudices against the house.
Percy belonged in Slytherin, His defining trait had ALWAYS been naked ambition.
[I will take a moment here to point out that the traits of Slytherin, Guile and ambition are NOT on their own negative traits any more than the traits of the other houses were inherently posative, ANY of the traits of any of the houses, taken to extreme, or unbalanced by the traits of the other houses COULD be harmful, it was the CULTURE within Slitherin, and the prejudices from the other houses that caused their negative reactions, the individuals of the house of serpents were never considered, but all painted with the same brush]
BUT he, in order to avoid the stern disapproval of his family AND in response to their deep prejudices against the house insisted the hat place him in Gryffindor.
He loathed his poverty and lack of status as much as Ron did but UNLIKE Ron he had the ambition to change his life path, not just moan and lament over it.
He saw his family NOT as support, but as an obstacle to be overcome, and his Father as head of house and humble of ambition was chief among those obstacles.
Ron... is difficult, as he possessed virtually none of the major traits of ANY of the houses.
Classic Hat-stall.
He was cowardly, slovenly, dull witted, lazy, disloyal, unambitious, and as Hermione pointed out, "Had the emotional range of a teaspoon".
The ONE thing he DID possess was tactical knowledge [Chess and an encyclopedic knowledge of quiddich].
Neither was sufficient to place him in Ravenclaw, BUT the tactical thinking coupled with his unmotivated ambition, should have put him in Slytherin as well.
I should also point out that Ginny was equally possessed of guile and ambition, she NEEDED it to be the youngest child, and only girl in a house with a domineering mother, and SEVEN brothers.
She couldn't beat them with brawn, she had to be able to out-think and out flank them.
Definitely a Slytherin.
Ron was a ride or die badass of a friend in the books, and pretty street smart.
@@JaelinBezel Ron was the friend you could always count on....
to bail.
He would EVENTUALLY do the right thing, when enough guilt built up to knock over his pride.
I’ve always seen the Hat picking the house as more of a suggestion. In the end, it’s also the persons choice which house he/she wants to go too.
@@Kayoss13212 True, but not everyone sees themselves as others do, OR as they really are.
I've known Percy types in real life...and have always hated them.
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He was the middle child but also quite immature. Glad they made up in the end.
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I would have preferred Percy to have been killed off Instead of one of the Weasley twins. I know It sounds cold but It's sort of like you don't expect someone like that from Percy to happen. Giving his background I mean. To me It's like a heroic death and to be redeemed from someone who hated his family but chose to protect and ultimately give his life for them.
That is something weak writers do. Plus given how out of the the family only Molly can prove she loved Percy throughout the series it would make any "grief" from the rest be really shallow only believed by the dumbest of readers
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in other words, Percy was like Voldemort. wanted to be above the rest and ashamed of his parentage.
or maybe like wormtail. wanting to side with the most powerful, no matter who that power is, to ride on that power since he couldn't archieve it by his own merits.
that's why he changed sides so easily. same as peter who betrayed James and, later, voldemort. siding in the end with harry until he died.
Percy is an oportunist that doesn't give two knuts about family or friends. if he can upgrade his status and influence by doing X. he will do it without care of any negative consecuences.
Percy can be explained by some of the 7 deadly sins eavy and pride more so
He was just power-hungry. Way too attached to his status.
I think that’s a little reductive
This will sound so awful but Percy should had been the one to be de*d instead of Fred.
Oh please you people always cry "Kill the person I don't like so the person I do like no die, because my stomach is too weak to handle death"
@@1993digifan But it was Fred who died not just any character. Fred! 😭
Percy didn’t hate his family in the least. He was just a sheep who had idealizations of grandeur.
Percy was quite horrible to Harry in the fifth book, i can't stand Percy and personally think he made himself unpopular in book 4 and i can't take to him.
Percy was used thematically to display the dangers of uncontrollable ambition. Harry is often compared to the Dark Lord but the defining factors are changed by morality. Percy cast his away when it benefited him most.
Percy is likewise willing to sacrifice morality for personal gain despite having a similar upbringing to his own family that teaches otherwise. Percy's uncontrolled ambition is tantamount to Tom Riddle's. The purpose is to show the reader that the true evil is within every weak individual willing to scrape for power.
Percy is not a good person... not by a long shot. He may be tragic, but that does not make him likeable or even worthy of pity. He is without honor. He is a disgrace. The books make him marginally more tolerable, and just as deserving of disrespect.
That is the purpose of the character. Basic morality. Thematically, a very well written tragic villain I would argue...
As someone who's not particularly fond of Percy, I'd argue that calling him a "villain" is too much of a stretch. Your points are valid and I agree with most of them, that he let his ambition get to his head and cloud his morality (as he sucked up to his superiors and didn't bother to question them despite the evident corruption), but I personally think that, deep down, part of his drive to try and rise in the Ministry of Magic was to help his family out of their poverty, and he felt his efforts weren't being acknowledged. Not that it excuses his behavior, because the way he cut ties with his family was nothing short of despicable, and his pride still didn't allow him to apologize when the truth came out.
I'd say he's a "flawed, but at the core morally good" person who needs to learn to swallow his pride and not be so narrow-minded, especially when it comes to authority figures.
His siblings and father got all the loyalty they deserved from him since not ONCE in the first 4 books are we given any reason to believe they even like him.
He’s a clout chaser.
percy had a little peen