Guy I been watching IV8888 for...since I researched some tools. I always dug the Fender hat (no flat brim!!!) but I searched after GASsing on a Klone and here you are! I am extremely late to this party. Love you, man!
Just watch the video you did with gun drummer. I didn't know you had this channel. I'm subscribed to obviously 8888 but now you got a new sub over here dude. I am also a drummer myself. I'm finding it that a lot of gun people are also musicians. 🤔
Like the Way Huge, video is great. Im on a Ceriatone days right now, touring Spain. Like 2 go with clones on stage, have to sounds or stack em together or with the old TS ... IS about Way Huge or Archer ... not the same prince. Thanks.
I bought the conspiracy and the Tumnus and kept the conspiracy. The Tumnus always had too much or too little bass. Also the mid range didn’t seem super useful to me. The q of it was too nasally. The conspiracy always sounds right to me. Hard to make it sound bad. It does cut away some bass but sounds amazing on every guitar.
This pedal is such rare a find. I see them for sale only on backorder to pay in advance and blindly wait for -or for sale on ebay from Japan for over $200
Cool shootout. New to your channel but I love these type of shootouts and I love how you did the shootout at different gain ranges, which is something I was curious about
Well about the time you were making this video he was auction them off brand new that he was making on eBay but I kept losing so he made me one anyway but I had them put it in a KTL box
Never fell for the klon bs I've used an original klon belonging to a musician friend of mine it's okay..but this way huge conspiracy overdrive is much better you can do more with it ..I still haven't come across or heard any overdrive pedal better than the Electro Harmonix Hot Wax duel overdrive..
That scratch plate. I freakin love it. Was just about to order a mint green one for my new strat, but your inspiring me. Where did you pick that one up?
I think it would be the most amazing video if you did some type of collaboration with JHS pedals they're from the south like you guys and what it would be to see him shooting guns with one of my favorite guntubers oh man not to mention he has the very first ever Klon that was sold. Number 002
I mean . . . If you know the circuit and use similar parts, is it really going to sound that different? A few knob tweaks to adjust for parts tolerance, and I don't think anyone could reasonably tell with a blind test. And even if it isn't exact, both pedals sound great at the end of the day.
I really love the Way Huge Overrated Special. It’s cleaner than the Green Rhino and has a gnarly EQ and mid boost. I’ve been looking for a Klon style pedal, I’ll check this one out.
@@Guitarsenal it’s one hell of a boost/EQ. I don’t even touch the gain side of it. I like it at max volume with the mid control turned all the way up and tone all the way down.
@@matthewf1979 do you have a rhino as well? Love my overrated. My fave screamer style pedal I have tried. Wondering whether to pick up a rhino also. Man, tripps makes incredible drive pedals.
Eric, you’re so good!!! Bruh! I don’t know if you inspire me to get better or frustrate me that I’m so far behind. Either way, keep it up, Sir! You’re awesome! Acts 2:38
Interesting comparison - except the Twin is the WRONG amp! You mention at about 5:00 that Bill Finnegan recommends the Klon being used to push an amp already driving hard, which (with a well serviced/set up amp) pushes the amp into mild saturation - not to add distortion from the pedal itself. But then you run the Twin with the volume control at 4, and unless you are over-biasing the output tubes to the point of redplating it will be running JUST at the point where it *starts* to sound full - but FAR short of the headroom limit. And then the pedals are used to add distortion by turning the gain up, not following the instructions you referenced. That skews everything demonstrated, as you use the pedals to add distortion instead of pushing amp that's already on the edge. The pedals are being used as "overdrive pedals" - a terrible term that in the modern pedal market means "low gain distortion pedal" - not as "clean boost" pedals, adding NO distortion of their own (which was the terminology back when the Klon was introduced).. The only Klon users I've seen that run the gain high are ones that didn't own or read the instructions or just want to use the (what is now a VERY expensive) pedal the same way players use inexpensive Tube Screamer type. "overdrives". A "following the instructions" test would have the Twin at 7 or 8 (impractical for most players) - or, in the "real world", be using a Deluxe Reverb, AC-15 or something in that range, finding the distortion point - and turning down just below it. Most club players can't use a Twin and sound decent - it's "too much amp"', and 15-30 watt tube amps are normally used for both good tone AND volume limit reasons. So in this test every recommendation is based on playing through a tube amp being played at a mid/low volume level. Exactly what the Klon is NOT intended for if you follow the builder's instructions. Setting the gain control at 90% is absurd. All you're doing is demonstrating both pedal's distortion sound. You might as well use a $19.99 Monoprice "Stage Right" instead of EITHER the Klon or Conspiracy Theory - it'd be just as valid a test.
With the gain too far down, the Klon circuit is really just working as a clean boost, which you can find so many better pedals for that application. If you turn the gain up, you are starting to actually hear the circuit and diodes working/clipping. 90 percent might be a bit high, but the pedal is essentially just a middle of the road clean boost if you turn down the gain too much.
@@BlueBarrier782 Sorry, but that's not correct unless you're not reading the manual and using it with a tube amp turned up to "4". With a high quality tube amp driving right at the top of its headroom the Klon - at unity gain - still adds depth to the overall frequency response, you can hear it with a well-tuned amp, and see it on a 'scope. but it's when you run the Klon just above that level with a hard driving amp, and your guitar controls backed off a bit, that you can push the amp into mild saturation with just a bit of clipping from the Klon Define "gain too far down"? That's a meaningless phrase that says absolutely nothing, providing no examples of relative volume levels or settings of anything BUT the Klon at a setting NOT recommended by the maker. Below "unity gain" would mean with no level boost, but that's not where you use it - and if used as a "clean boost" it pushes the AMP into distortion. It sounds like you've never used one - or if you have, you haven't followed the instructions. I suggest you do as I note in my post and RTFM!
Nice opening riff there Eric. In the past I had mentioned about you comparing an original KLON with the Gold Archer by J. Rockett. That said, they are close enough that it would be a pretty boring comparison. Love the Way Huge pedals, I've a Way Huge Havalena Germanium Fuzz that is crazy great for a Hendrix kind of tone.
Seems like the Klon blends more of the dry signal, Conspiracy Theory sounds more compressed to me. Both greatly adding to a rig that is already awesome by itself, and to talented playing. That's how I hear it.
Nice review. To me, the conspiracy theory sounds like a Klon crossed with another OD… not bad at all but not the same sound at lower gain. I ended up buying a Klon klone because I like the mellow magic diodes when on lower gain setting. The conspiracy theory was too much ‘regular OD’ to my ears. It might all depend on whether a person likes their Klon set for low or high gain. Both pedals are nice.
@@azcoyote007 I almost never have my klon/klone/etc gain set past 2 o’clock. My ears like the germanium diodes (forward .35v) for that. But my tech likes his gain cranked. He doesn’t like germanium diodes. All depends on what the player prefers.
@@YaYa-ke1zr interesting. Past 1 o’clock the diodes are definitely doing their magic. I like the WHCT at 3 o’clock and up. I’m not sure that 1 o’clock is low gain really but I guess it’s not cranked either. WHCT has to be at least 95% (or more) match for the Klon to my ears but all this is subjective.
@@azcoyote007 Yeah my usual gain range is 9 o clock to 2 o clock. My understanding is that diodes don’t matter until 12 anyways. I have several klones and they are all set differently but within my preferred gain range.
Wake up,there are no fuckin magic diodes! That's been shown with ocsilliscopes so many times in videos all over UA-cam Its all about how a pedal is designed and how the parts interact with each other and what size and measurements the caps and emitters and collecters ETC are....... ..
I can hear. I can here a mechanical boxed in tone from the Way Huge. The Klon just sounds more open, refreshing and less mechanical. Thanks for this. A guy is selling a Way Huge. Glad I found this. I just saved a few quid.
Wow, didn't know you had a guitar channel!! Agree with your opinions on each of these... I kinda like the klon but it's too close to call without actually playing it myself.... Just recently bought a wampler tumnus deluxe... Love it... a little more flexibly with 3 band eq and a hot switch.....Looking forward too more reviews and what not.
Damn yo I love your guitar style I sat through all your playing and just frigging loved the scales and just...whew really good dude.Most guitar demos freak me out.
Id say it's more user error by a lot of blues players that turn the gain all the way down. The circuit itself is the real genius behind the pedal, hence why it was gooped by Bill and unknown for a while. Bill worked with some guys from MIT to create a rather unique circuit in how it uses the clean signal. The thing though about any design in the information age is that it will rather quickly be figured out and copied. In some ways, it's unfair to those who worked so hard on a pedal, such as Bill Finnegan, but at the same time what designs was he and those he worked with able to see and learn from? All that said, once the circuit was figured out, anybody can pretty much get the Klon sound at an affordable price.
I really enjoy sound quality of your video. Feels like I'm in the same room.
I bought the way huge a while ago it a real gem.
You left off a zero on the Klon’s price
Guy I been watching IV8888 for...since I researched some tools. I always dug the Fender hat (no flat brim!!!) but I searched after GASsing on a Klone and here you are! I am extremely late to this party. Love you, man!
I’m a long subscriber of your 8888 channel. Suprised (and pleased) to find this one, too!!!
Had no idea you did guitar videos too! I’ve followed your other channel for a while. Just subbed to this one
You gotta get some humbuckers up in here to hear the true crunch and beefy rock n roll tones
This video sold me on the way huge, I can't hear a difference at all when they're on the same settings. This is the Klon clone to rule them all
The klon is more transparent but both sound great, almost identical
Anyone know any specific songs recorded with either of these?
how many rounds can a fender strat take before it melts down?
Great video! Typo alert in the description, FYI. "...to a real deal vintage Klon Centaur ($300)+)." Should read "$3000+".
Had no idea you had a music channel too!! Finding this makes it the best Thanksgiving ever! 😂
Just watch the video you did with gun drummer. I didn't know you had this channel. I'm subscribed to obviously 8888 but now you got a new sub over here dude. I am also a drummer myself. I'm finding it that a lot of gun people are also musicians. 🤔
Saw it and discovered here too, I play electric guitar but heavy dark metal
Great work eric miss your guitar content
Just curious: did the pedals have a similar feel?
Yes very similar. The way huge is a bit more compressed
Good demonstration 👍👍
Like the Way Huge, video is great. Im on a Ceriatone days right now, touring Spain. Like 2 go with clones on stage, have to sounds or stack em together or with the old TS ... IS about Way Huge or Archer ... not the same prince. Thanks.
which pedal comes closest to the OG Klon? Is there a dead on clone?
Believe it or not, the Wampler Tumnus is close. Ceriatone is dead on. Archer Silver. Also, fun fact my name is Jesse Levi.
Holy cow, it's the guns guy! Er, hello.
Conspiracy vs tumnus dlx vs ryra … who wins?
I bought the conspiracy and the Tumnus and kept the conspiracy. The Tumnus always had too much or too little bass. Also the mid range didn’t seem super useful to me. The q of it was too nasally. The conspiracy always sounds right to me. Hard to make it sound bad. It does cut away some bass but sounds amazing on every guitar.
Just stumbled on this video when I was running down kingfish's rig. Had no idea you had a music channel too... good stuff!
your playing is great dude
That conspiracy pedal sounds great.cheers
This pedal is such rare a find. I see them for sale only on backorder to pay in advance and blindly wait for -or for sale on ebay from Japan for over $200
Yeah that's crazy.
Cool shootout. New to your channel but I love these type of shootouts and I love how you did the shootout at different gain ranges, which is something I was curious about
I wanna know all about that stratt
Hey, Thanks for being such a nice guy ! :)
Tone knob need to have as much top end as Klon
Damn, the way you played the guitar was amazing...
Well about the time you were making this video he was auction them off brand new that he was making on eBay but I kept losing so he made me one anyway but I had them put it in a KTL box
Have you heard about the "Oh My Goat" pedal from Kohlekeller Studios? Hello from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Great playing... I just bought the Conspiracy Theory and waiting for it to arrive 😆
Not a good comparison. Both are buffered that influence a lot how the other one sounds. You need a splitter to really compare them.
Never fell for the klon bs I've used an original klon belonging to a musician friend of mine it's okay..but this way huge conspiracy overdrive is much better you can do more with it ..I still haven't come across or heard any overdrive pedal better than the Electro Harmonix Hot Wax duel overdrive..
Tbh so long as its in the same ball park anything is close enough for me when we're talking about saving £££thousands! 😊👍
That scratch plate. I freakin love it. Was just about to order a mint green one for my new strat, but your inspiring me. Where did you pick that one up?
I think it would be the most amazing video if you did some type of collaboration with JHS pedals they're from the south like you guys and what it would be to see him shooting guns with one of my favorite guntubers oh man not to mention he has the very first ever Klon that was sold. Number 002
I mean . . . If you know the circuit and use similar parts, is it really going to sound that different? A few knob tweaks to adjust for parts tolerance, and I don't think anyone could reasonably tell with a blind test. And even if it isn't exact, both pedals sound great at the end of the day.
I feel like I used to watch this guy do gun videos out of a pawn shop.. now he's doing guitar videos out of Mom's basement?
I really love the Way Huge Overrated Special. It’s cleaner than the Green Rhino and has a gnarly EQ and mid boost. I’ve been looking for a Klon style pedal, I’ll check this one out.
Video inbound on the Overrated
@@Guitarsenal it’s one hell of a boost/EQ. I don’t even touch the gain side of it. I like it at max volume with the mid control turned all the way up and tone all the way down.
@@matthewf1979 do you have a rhino as well? Love my overrated. My fave screamer style pedal I have tried.
Wondering whether to pick up a rhino also.
Man, tripps makes incredible drive pedals.
you should were that hat on your gun channel
Eric, you’re so good!!! Bruh! I don’t know if you inspire me to get better or frustrate me that I’m so far behind. Either way, keep it up, Sir! You’re awesome! Acts 2:38
Ditch the two extra pedals & just use the shootout pedals. And forget about playing with your wiggle stick just do the demo !
Make your own channel then dude lol
Dude you guys are cool as hell, guns guitars and fast cars
Nothin better!
Interesting comparison - except the Twin is the WRONG amp! You mention at about 5:00 that Bill Finnegan recommends the Klon being used to push an amp already driving hard, which (with a well serviced/set up amp) pushes the amp into mild saturation - not to add distortion from the pedal itself. But then you run the Twin with the volume control at 4, and unless you are over-biasing the output tubes to the point of redplating it will be running JUST at the point where it *starts* to sound full - but FAR short of the headroom limit.
And then the pedals are used to add distortion by turning the gain up, not following the instructions you referenced. That skews everything demonstrated, as you use the pedals to add distortion instead of pushing amp that's already on the edge. The pedals are being used as "overdrive pedals" - a terrible term that in the modern pedal market means "low gain distortion pedal" - not as "clean boost" pedals, adding NO distortion of their own (which was the terminology back when the Klon was introduced)..
The only Klon users I've seen that run the gain high are ones that didn't own or read the instructions or just want to use the (what is now a VERY expensive) pedal the same way players use inexpensive Tube Screamer type. "overdrives".
A "following the instructions" test would have the Twin at 7 or 8 (impractical for most players) - or, in the "real world", be using a Deluxe Reverb, AC-15 or something in that range, finding the distortion point - and turning down just below it. Most club players can't use a Twin and sound decent - it's "too much amp"', and 15-30 watt tube amps are normally used for both good tone AND volume limit reasons.
So in this test every recommendation is based on playing through a tube amp being played at a mid/low volume level. Exactly what the Klon is NOT intended for if you follow the builder's instructions. Setting the gain control at 90% is absurd. All you're doing is demonstrating both pedal's distortion sound. You might as well use a $19.99 Monoprice "Stage Right" instead of EITHER the Klon or Conspiracy Theory - it'd be just as valid a test.
With the gain too far down, the Klon circuit is really just working as a clean boost, which you can find so many better pedals for that application. If you turn the gain up, you are starting to actually hear the circuit and diodes working/clipping. 90 percent might be a bit high, but the pedal is essentially just a middle of the road clean boost if you turn down the gain too much.
@@BlueBarrier782 Sorry, but that's not correct unless you're not reading the manual and using it with a tube amp turned up to "4". With a high quality tube amp driving right at the top of its headroom the Klon - at unity gain - still adds depth to the overall frequency response, you can hear it with a well-tuned amp, and see it on a 'scope. but it's when you run the Klon just above that level with a hard driving amp, and your guitar controls backed off a bit, that you can push the amp into mild saturation with just a bit of clipping from the Klon
Define "gain too far down"? That's a meaningless phrase that says absolutely nothing, providing no examples of relative volume levels or settings of anything BUT the Klon at a setting NOT recommended by the maker. Below "unity gain" would mean with no level boost, but that's not where you use it - and if used as a "clean boost" it pushes the AMP into distortion.
It sounds like you've never used one - or if you have, you haven't followed the instructions. I suggest you do as I note in my post and RTFM!
I want your guitar.😁
Great work on the pedal demon and amazing playing!!
plus that Twin Reverb!
You're such a great player. Love both channels. Beautiful Custom Shop as well!
Nice opening riff there Eric.
In the past I had mentioned about you comparing an original KLON with the Gold Archer by J. Rockett.
That said, they are close enough that it would be a pretty boring comparison.
Love the Way Huge pedals, I've a Way Huge Havalena Germanium Fuzz that is crazy great for a Hendrix kind of tone.
Coming in time. I don’t own this Klon. Maybe I’ll buy one to have in the studio for comparison. Have to save up my pennies for that though 🥴
Lost me at the clean sound test
I actually prefer the klone
Seems like the Klon blends more of the dry signal, Conspiracy Theory sounds more compressed to me. Both greatly adding to a rig that is already awesome by itself, and to talented playing. That's how I hear it.
Thanks and yes I think you’re right
Nice review. To me, the conspiracy theory sounds like a Klon crossed with another OD… not bad at all but not the same sound at lower gain.
I ended up buying a Klon klone because I like the mellow magic diodes when on lower gain setting. The conspiracy theory was too much ‘regular OD’ to my ears.
It might all depend on whether a person likes their Klon set for low or high gain. Both pedals are nice.
Lower gain diodes, huh.
@@azcoyote007 I almost never have my klon/klone/etc gain set past 2 o’clock. My ears like the germanium diodes (forward .35v) for that.
But my tech likes his gain cranked. He doesn’t like germanium diodes.
All depends on what the player prefers.
@@YaYa-ke1zr interesting. Past 1 o’clock the diodes are definitely doing their magic. I like the WHCT at 3 o’clock and up. I’m not sure that 1 o’clock is low gain really but I guess it’s not cranked either. WHCT has to be at least 95% (or more) match for the Klon to my ears but all this is subjective.
@@azcoyote007 Yeah my usual gain range is 9 o clock to 2 o clock. My understanding is that diodes don’t matter until 12 anyways. I have several klones and they are all set differently but within my preferred gain range.
Wake up,there are no fuckin magic diodes! That's been shown with ocsilliscopes so many times in videos all over UA-cam Its all about how a pedal is designed and how the parts interact with each other and what size and measurements the caps and emitters and collecters ETC are.......
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I can hear. I can here a mechanical boxed in tone from the Way Huge. The Klon just sounds more open, refreshing and less mechanical. Thanks for this. A guy is selling a Way Huge. Glad I found this. I just saved a few quid.
enjoy spending the $ you saved just now to go buy a refreshing klon🙃
Wow, didn't know you had a guitar channel!! Agree with your opinions on each of these... I kinda like the klon but it's too close to call without actually playing it myself.... Just recently bought a wampler tumnus deluxe... Love it... a little more flexibly with 3 band eq and a hot switch.....Looking forward too more reviews and what not.
Damn yo I love your guitar style I sat through all your playing and just frigging loved the scales and just...whew really good dude.Most guitar demos freak me out.
The CT sounds worse, I think Wampler made the best Klone
Conspiracy has a midrange pocket that colors the tone. The Centaur doesn’t have that midrange color in the tone.
Centaur fatter and warmer!
I laugh at all you people cleaning out you bank accounts to buy a klon that is not worth more then a hundred bucks its a boost pedal lmfao
Id say it's more user error by a lot of blues players that turn the gain all the way down.
The circuit itself is the real genius behind the pedal, hence why it was gooped by Bill and unknown for a while. Bill worked with some guys from MIT to create a rather unique circuit in how it uses the clean signal.
The thing though about any design in the information age is that it will rather quickly be figured out and copied. In some ways, it's unfair to those who worked so hard on a pedal, such as Bill Finnegan, but at the same time what designs was he and those he worked with able to see and learn from?
All that said, once the circuit was figured out, anybody can pretty much get the Klon sound at an affordable price.
klon more open and more natural midrange to my ears the harmonics rings more .the way huge it s a little boxey altough it s a nice clone
mannnm dont use the tremolo like that,,, gosh.... same fast speed and sharp start, so tasteless
thanks for great review anyway
you dont even know how to do a a/b demo
It’s Centaur, not Centar. - as is ‘or’, not ‘are’.
Feel better now?
@@yayayaokoksure Haha not really.