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The BIGGEST Flops in the Watch Industry - Federico Talks Watches
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- The BIGGEST Flops in the Watch Industry - Federico Talks Watches
In this episode of Federico Talks Watches I discuss what I think are the biggest flops in the modern watch industry. Not necessarily timepieces, even though things like the Rolex Prince makes an appearance. But did you know that Ulysses Nardin made a smartphone or that Panerai had a partnership with Ferrari? Easy to say the products on this list didn't do well.
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I could see buying a Prince someday. Really like the art deco like design, a real conversation piece, and quite elegant IMHO.
That Prince is the best looking Rolex I have seen. But I suppose they are prisoners of their brand image.
very well put
They should have a square or rectangular offering....every year!
the rolex is beautiful, nothing like it!
I'm surprised to hear that Hublot made a watch that was too big and too gaudy even for their clientele.
Bacchus Leto ...it's actually not even that bad, a relative somehow picked up a pretty decent replica in turkey last year and gifted it to me. I'm not a fan of replicas at all, so I only wore it like 3 times but i got used to it pretty quickly even though i usually wear nothing over 42mm...
Great video, a lot of fun! A nice departure from the norm, and gave me some nice history. Well done!
Wow, the phone with the movement. You can only shake your head haha
Anything branded Ferrari are always so tacky, stick to cars!
Very interesting video Federico. In business, you learn a lot from failures, and Im sure these various brands gained a lot of insight from their flops. The Ulysse Nardin phone is grotesque in both looks, price, features, ongoing cost of ownership, etc----no idea what they were thinking.
i think this is a great video for potential investment pieces! The fact that they were so undesirable will eventually them rare and collectable.
The Rolex Prince has actually been on my list to buy for a while now haha. Great video.
Aren't u always preaching why u sold all ur rolexes and stuff and less is more and now ur after a Prince?
I guess you haven't seen my more recent videos. I actually made a video to answer questions like yours called "Why I bought another Rolex." I don't want to use these comment to promote my channel but it is a long answer so I made a whole video on it. =)
It's a strange cycle, but very real amoungst watch collectors, start out buying Rolex simply due to brand status, slowly flip and reduce them out of the collection, then Rolex start filtering back into the collection due to an appreciation of fantastic engineering, robustness, and just a great quality watch to own.
AFAIK, Rolex Prince was originally a doctor's watch (due to the separate seconds dial, for measuring pulse) in the 1930's or something around that time.
I remember seeing an article in Watch Time regarding the UN smart phone. Calling it a flop is an understatement. I was unaware of the Rolex Prince, and I can see why it is so appealing. To have such a unique Rolex in a collection, it is nice to find another WIS who loves the tonneau shape as I do. I am still looking for the right one for my collection.
Great video, and keep up the good work!
A classic mistake when manufactures unintentionally dilute their brand name by overrating the power of the same. Omega's moon series went the same way, today a second hand "dark side of the moon" model is hardly worth a fraction of its retail price. Good vid Federico (y)
Federico's most entertaining video yet.
Oh my god, after this video I looked up the Chairman and lmao I can not believe how they thought that would even succeed remotely. That was just a huge flop.
Great stuff Federico lol.
It was the one which was the most fun to research hahaha
I like the VC Quai de I'lle it looks like a modern more durable Patek G6000-001. It has an in house movement seal of Geneva. like the AP Royal Oak Diver with the new in house movement. For the price the ROO Diver and Quai de I'lle are a cool collection for daily wear and being a bit different.
Nice Video. The only time I saw a Rolex Prince, was when Al Pacino wore one in Ocean's thirteen.
Did he really? I didnt know that
The Prince will be colectable in the future watch the space!
Awesome and nice to meet you
I had a Longines Ferrari in the 80s! Quartz of course.
Terrific. File under: What were they thinking?!? LOL.
Great video! Personally, the Rolex Prince is probably the only Rolex I would own. I like its unique design.
I actually saw three of the UN smart phones in the wild in HK and Macau.
Hi Federico. Nice show. I'm kind of new to all this but I'm loving it. Just wanna give a tip for your videos. For me as a new member of this community is really hard to understand the full names of the watches so if you could just write them in the description would be really helpful. That way I can search a little deeper about them. Thank you and congratulations again for the show.
I loved the video. Great work. My father-in-law bought a Cellini in the early 90's. Less than six months later he returned it to upgrade to the President. People would admire the watch but then argue with him "that is what not a Rolex". :)
Yeah Thomas... Most people have no idea what a cellini is lol...
Great topic! I would have included the PAM 318; not because it didn't become sort of an underground favorite, but because it made Panerai look very, very shoddy. As for the Quai de l'Ile, quelle jolie file! I tried one on, and they are beautiful, and with the new calibre 5100 in stainless steel--wow! However, you are quite right in pointing out that Vacheron Constantin's "customization" program with them, didn't quite work out. However, there is a project in the works that may prove to be a redemption -- we'll see! Congratulations on a great Vlog.
The 318 should have made the list... totally forgot...
Great video. Had my eye on a Price for a while.
Superb Video! Love the content F - you are very unique in your approach to talking watches 👍🏻
Great vid, very original content
thanks for the kind words firehawk...
"where are u supposed to wear it? Around your ankle?" 😂😂😂😂😂 gold
Vanessa Mercedes Embrace Jesus , bitch .
very original video. thanks! the Hublot and Zenith seem to me close to some Invicta models.... :)
Entertaining video Federico. Btw i love that you do every video a new intro!
Thanks XJ6N, glad you enjoyed it
Great video!
The movement in that Rolex Prince looks absolutely gorgeous. Really, as rectangular watches go, the whole piece is quite nice looking. I'm not really into square or rectangular watches most of the time but this one is actually quite interesting.
Fun video Federico. You need to do a video on Ugly Watches Russian Oligarchs Would Wear. .....Some of the ones mentioned in this video would make the list but there must be others. Panerai is a brand that would surely be there. :)
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hahah the Ferrari watches makes me laugh, I always get those as gifts because people know I love cars, motorcycles, and watches so that is the generic gift for those outside of the know.
Very entertaining! Thanks!
glad you enjoyed it bud.
Great interesting episode.
thanks S
Should do a Skelton watched at different price points
Have Rolex a couple of Omegas
But my favorite in my collection is the bulova accutron from the early 70s
I love the prince, especially the vintage ones. I'm a bit of a sucker for Art Deco flare when it comes to watches though.
Great fun list thanks!
Thanks Mats.
I like the idea of the montblanc e-strap - rest suck.
Sadly, one of my first watch purchases was the Ferrari/Panerai GMT. It didn't take long before I regretted this purchase and seldom wore the watch. Also, apart from the watch itself, I came to really think of the GMT complication as lame clutter - I can do the math.
Very informative, thanks.
Federico, fun video I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for making it. CHEERS, Kenny
Good one Fed!
Cheers man
Very entertaining!
Very interesting and as you said entertaining, good vid. There appears to be a threshhold as to a size of a watch. Big expensive watches fizzle out after a while. Small watches do the same at least in a masculine watch. Once you hit 40 MM it seems to be the sweet spot. Hublot, besides NBA players wearing them who in their right would buy one? Besides they are so heavily discounted you'll never get your money out of them.
Federico, do you think any of these will be collectibles worth something in the future?
Those Hublot are so over priced. In the UK you don't see that brand outside of London.
to add they all look tacky. I mean the very basic hublot or audemars piguet look okayish, except for the price tag of a new car while looking like a casio, the ones that are more popular look very outrageous.
Hublot is for footballers and pimps. Hideous watches.
Interesting ideas for sure👍🇮🇹
Ferrari collaborated with hublot too right? And they don't really seem to sell well either, though seems to be better off than panerai and GP.
What is your thoughts on Bell & Ross watches?
I like that Hublot!
What is your opinion on Raymond Weil maestro moonphase
Thing about the Rolex Prince is that it's essentially a reissue of the 1930s Gruen Curvex, which had a curved, rectangular movement that was (wait for it...) constructed by Rolex.
Hi Federico,great video as always.I have a question,what is your opinion on U-Boat watches?(I personally love them,i like big watches in general).
They are cool looking, but I don't think they are particularly great quality... if you like big, I would stick with Panerai, Corum, Breitling or even check out Anonimo, very similar to UBoat but made a little better in my opinion...
Thak you for your response,I like to stick with italian brands.ha ha,I kinda developed an obsession for them.
New Tag Heuer smart watch will be on the list as well I think.
That Mont Blanc thing would be amazing. I have a smartwatch and I like the functionality, but I almost never wear it as I like my real watches :/
Very fun video :D
Do you have any idea how well the Sky Dweller is doing, Federico? It was really hyped up upon release but it's kinda just disappeared, no one seems to talk about it or have one...
its not doing well at all... But certainly doing better than the prince...
Seen a couple on wrists in Houston Galleria.
I kind of like the Mont Blanc e strap... time to Google the price...
My father worked on those Ulysses Nardin phones.
ouch... sorry...
luxury smartphones are an absolute waste of effort. cool upload.
Cheers man...
Ferrari have a partnership with Hublot now. I think they are doing well with various editions, including the LaFerrari watch costing over £200k - Take a look at my channel to see a video of it.
Sad to see the Prince did not do wel. The best looking Rolex I did ever see.
Sinn released an smartwatch strap similar to the montblanc one too, do you know if this one was also an flop or how its is selling?
I think they released a double strap, not a strap with a screen on it,
I think I saw the Ulysse Nardin phone in a 50 Cent video a couple years back.
I collect the Rolex Cellini Prince models ... my favourite watches
My Seamaster Co-axial needs to be included in this list, it's accuracy is way off COSC standards.
Different content. I like it!
Cheers Justin
Nice topic!
BTW The C in Montblanc is not pronounced.
i wonder if the reason the prince didn't do well is because the jaeger reverso and cartier tank exist and why would you buy the prince when you can buy one of those instead.
Superb vid!!! Caveat Emptor... Purchaser Beware.
lol exactly...
How about the Bentley Breitling? That also did not do too well
They didnt do great... But they weren't a flop in my opinion...
Very cool vid
kari voutilainen's cellphone should definitely be on the list.
I'm willing to bet on that Cellini Prince... It's a handsome piece and will probably have legs over time.
In a year or two you will be able to add the new Air King to this list....and in 20 years you will be able to add it to your "most collectible' list.
prices of some of these?
When the iPhone XX comes out it will be the first $50,000 mass produced smartphone!
I have a regular Cellini!!!
P.S. I even have an old Panerai Ferrari from around 2006 or so!
that Rolex is nice, i feel like it should be a little less sporty looking though.
10:09 Had to google a bit, didn't you?
You missed the Patek Philippe sandwich toaster.
I'm sure if they made one they might sell a few lol...
I'd bloody well love a Patek sandwich toaster
the oyster Prince is a beautiful watch
I thought Ferrari also partnered with Hublot?
Good info, Fed
Nope. Hublot just has a limited edition ferrari watch...
john g yeah they sponsor f1 team and af corse le man/wec factory team and have la ferrari special edition as the big boy says but he's also wrong as they have the ferrari big bang, why you should do your own research and not believe everything these "experts" say
On the subject of things that are just wrong. Can you do a video about the phenomenon of wearing your watch over your sleeve, and how only Gianni Anelli gets away with it.
very few people actually do this... I've never actually seen it in the flesh... Gianni Agnelli gets away with it because he is Gianni Agnelli lol ;)
Judging by the comments on forums, the new 2016 re-release of the Rolex Air King is fast headed to flop-dom. Air Kings looked a certain way for about 50 years and this looks nothing like that. The dial is just a mess of numbers and styles- I honestly think it's hideous.
Actually Ferrari's new watch sponsor Hublot also makes "Ferrari" edition watches.
they make limited edition versions... I don't think its a whole line though... at least I hope not...
Haha true it's just a limited edition version thank God for that!
i really do like the vacheron
Remember, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. LOL
OMG, I love the Rolex Prince!
What the hell? Who would buy those Smart Phones? Stick with Apple! Ha.. Good Video Federico... Moral of the story, stick to what your best at!! BMJ ENGLAND.
Hahah the Ferrari commented reminded me , I was at store and saw young guy buying a Ferrari watch for 950 $. And I was next to him and he said what do you think . Man I told me with that money he can get a squale , seiko , orient , steinhart,. He said they sound whack cause their not designer brand ! I was like wow. That not a real watch no horology behind it even the cheapest ones seiko and orient are better but he still didn't understand :/
TAG Heuer is coming out with their smart watch or whatever..
All the flops watches still cost big money... How can that be? PS Federico love your channel
The next flop in my mind are the new low end Panerais with their snap on case back, 100m WR. Spring bars and their super thin offerings. All opposite from what Panerai is known for...divers watches. Sigh
The Prince is beautiful, maybe it just needed a white gold version and maybe it would have sold. Not too many successful men want yellow or rose gold, so maybe a dial color option and case color change would have had selling more (and of course dropping the price a bit).
Also, who would wear a watch with the name "Hublot" (who-blow). Just terrible.
yes, you are correct TAG bombed
Excellent Federico! The Rolex, I like quite a lot (_Art Deco_ being the reason). That ladies watch is simply horrible! Horrible! Who in their right mind would wear that frighful Hublot?! It's grotesque! It looks sort of like a failed Steampunk watch! No wonder it flopped! (as you said, you would wear it around your ankle... maybe!) Yes, the Zenith is an unspeakable horror.
You miss my favored flop. Eterna kontiki diver.