@@christophekeating21 I’m sure wreckless Ben was meant to do a live with Andrew a couple of months & he didn’t even bother his ass to show up for it, or apologise for not doing so- ignorant & unprofessional imo
Haven’t heard of this one before - so today is another edgehog school day on the cult front for me! 😂. Hoping to catch this live, but I’m currently sailing on the North Sea en route to the Shetland islands…😳😬
I'm speechless. There is one of these groups about an hour's drive from my home. My family has eaten in their restaurant (it's one of our favorites) and shopped at their natural food store multiple times. We had no idea. We thought they were akin to Mennonites or Amish or hippies. If we had known all this was going on we would have never gone. I'm sad, but grateful to know the truth now.
It's probably important for the children of the cult to see free people who participate in open society. I know that definitely helped me to get out of the cult I grew up in. As a child who has never seen anything different, it's amazing to see people who are free-minded and in control of their own lives. It helps keep me from getting love-bombed back INTO the cult, knowing that humans are meant to live freely and think for themselves. We are not healthy when we live trapped (even mentally and emotionally) in cult thinking and systems.
@@dramatriangle I can see your point, but there are no children present in the restaurant or shop. Only adults are there working. The children must be kept at home.
@@dramatriangle Have you considered writing a book about your experience, and what is like to see another side after a lifetime of only knowing what you did? Or is it still a shock, add an ongoing acclimation? If you were maltreated I'm so sorry and sick for you. No child deserves to live under that kind of oppression. It is a source of amazement to me when I hear people talk about having the freedom to choose what they want to be and how they want to live, but don't give their own children that option later. Hypocritical of then don't you think? I'm so glad you commented here, it's not every day you come across an ex cult member, though I hesitate to refer to you as such since it wasn't even your choice. Hugs to you.
Yes, and how the narcissist knows instinctively & intuitively on whom to prey & exercise flattery & love bombing. Be aware of the red flags. 1) If something seems/feels wrong it probably is and 2) There is no such thing as a free lunch!
Sometimes I feel like the whole world is a cult. I mean politicians want to tell people what they can and can’t eat, what vitamins they can and cannot take, and collect taxes for everything from water to food to living on your own property, telling people what they can do and put on their own property, telling people how to raise their kids including you have to indoctrinate your kids in schools to believe they can choose their own gender and they must follow their government’s moral doctrine not the family’s and so on. If people don’t follow what the government dictates then they are thrown in jail. We are all living in a cult whether we like it or not .
Andrew I was married to a strict fundamentalist Evangelical, his first step was to try to destroy my self confidence. As for ‘informing’ on me to the pastors, that was done to have people pray for ‘my sins’. The underhanded things that he did to destroy me, break me down so that he was the only person who loved me & I could trust. It was horrible. The PTSD from that relationship and the triggers still happen. BTW the Bible calls for submission NOT subjection.
Evangelicals don't do that but it'd be the WAY PERSONALITY of your husband. There are all kinds of personalities out there he might be Narcisstic or something else personality wise. (said in love)
It's obvious that men wrote the Bible as they are so pathetically weak they have fooled women into thinking that we need to submit to them, using God. Interesting that women were supposed to do this no matter how bad, cruel or foolish they and their decisions were. We're supposed to go along with whatever they say.
Sending you love. My sister and I always say we are survivors of the worlds smallest cult - our family of 4. We were cut off from the rest of society and had to obey my mom as if she was a cult leader. We were brainwashed, beaten, starved and emotionally battered. 😢
Hi Andrew - Thank you so much for this interview. My husband and I can totally relate. It wasn’t this group, but a similar one that got our daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren. They were befriended by our son-in-law’s boss and ended up going to that “church “. Very slowly, we could see what was happening to them. Because we didn’t go to that church, they were told not to have anything to do with us, and subsequently we couldn’t see the grandchildren. So I started going there just to see what the kids were up against. It was horrific. They were told to buy and use the wooden paddle to discipline the kids. Our granddaughter was only 5 at the time and they had to use the paddle on her and follow the book that the “pastor” wrote on disciplining children. There was a school attached to the “church” and you could only go to the school if you went to that “church” and if you went to that “church”, your kids had to go to that school. If the kids didn’t sit still in school, their legs were tied to the chairs. In each service, they collected money 3 times and were told to give everything they had. We didn’t get caught up in it - but could see what was happening. And we kept hearing that they weren’t a cult! After a lot of prayer on our part, they finally got out. Now there is an ongoing investigation regarding sexual abuse and physical abuse in the school from years ago. The leader/pastor has disappeared and a lot of the leadership from back then are being charged. We’re in a small city in Saskatchewan, Canada 🇨🇦 and no one at the time really knew what was happening. I’m sorry if this sounds disjointed - but whenever I think back on it, I am so thankful that our family is now doing great. There was so much more that happened as well - but I think this is enough for now!! Thanks for letting me tell part of our story.
I think it was very brave of you to keep on going to this "church" in order to not lose your grandchildren (and daughter/son in law). We can tell whne we read this post how much you have gone through. I hope you are emerging from the trauma. You are wonderful parents. I hope everybody is well or getting there now. xxx
@@annepoitrineau5650 Anne - Thanks for your concern. It was very hard for us to go through it - but we made it. I cried a lot of tears for all of them. When they were thinking of leaving there, they told us afterwards that they couldn’t say anything to anyone for fear it would get back to the leadership. But my granddaughter, when she was 7, said to me “Grandma, I saw my new school today and I have a real desk!” Then I knew they were out of that place! I’m glad they left before terrible things happened to the grandkids at school. Former students are now talking in the news about what happened to them - the physical and sexual abuse from the staff. And there are other horror stories as well. I can truly feel for parents whose kids are caught up in something like this. But it happens so easily and quietly. Like Andrew said in the video - they get lovebombed and then are hooked.
Scientology seems the worst. They break all labor laws and their workers do not get a legal basic wage. They violate child and adult labor. These cults are horrible.
good interview, Andrew. Being curious, I googled and found an excellent article from a Winnipeg, Manitoba reporter Michael Welch who infiltrated the cult for 6 weeks and his story was picked up by CBC, our Canadian national equivalent to the BBC. His perspective is similar to Tim’s. perhaps you might want to interview him as well? people need to be aware of these organizations so they can make reasoned decisions.
I spent 8 years in a cult. There was many of the things that Allen described, child abuse, sexual assault and the working of 15-hour days for a meager salary. We were encouraged to inform on each other and that this is what God would want us to do (protecting our brothers and sisters from the wrong path). When I left, I was told I would be raped, get cancer and die terribly. Threatening calls came to the house and the sense of doom was around me all the time. What got me thru was my philosophy, if this was supposed to be heaven then I would rather go to hell. Thank you for your videos.
Wow! That was a very strong and appropriate comment. If this cult is heaven, then I'd rather be in hell. I believe humans create hell on earth. I fail to see how anything could be worse than what we create here on planet earth. Humans are horrible to each other on so many different levels. Humans destroy planet earth and each other, all in the name of religion and greed.
If anyone want to know about this group I have 10 years in this cult in the tribe of Manasseh middle united States. I've got a whole podcast worth of info on these guys
I used to attend work meetings at their cafe in New South Wales. This is just before I found out who they were. The cafe staff had that remote look on their faces. I never saw them engaging in talk with the patrons or each other.
That's interesting! I went to the Yellow Deli in Boulder, Colorado, one of their businesses. The staff talked with patrons a fair bit. I took some of their literature because I was curious to learn more about their beliefs. My waitress saw this and got very excited. She told me to come back and talk with them if I had questions about what I read. And she said I could visit them where they live to ask questions as well.
I remember this group from Grateful Dead shows in the eighties, creepy and predatory; obviously a cult. There were many scary stories about them from people who lived near them Vermont.
This was also the 12 tribes group. They’re still going to GD related shows and recruiting to this day. They run the chain of Yellow Deli restaurants across the US.
Blimey there are no end of religious cults. You think you've heard them all and you find out there's another one you weren't aware of. It's the children I feel for. 😢
I saw this group at The Winter Festival in Katoomba (NSW Australia) a few years ago. They came across as really hippy and lovey dovey. They were definitely recruiting!!
I know a guy whose family was in one of the worst cults . The trauma is heartbreaking. How is it? Some of the biggest sins are done in these places, and they hide behind religion - and are left alone?
I‘ve just googled them. They obviously left Germany and went to the Czech Republic after lots of law suits and interference by child protection. Weird. Never heard of them before.
Really interesting. I thought they were a German thing because I've heard about them here. They got arrested (at least briefly) because they refused to send their children to school. Germany doesn't really allow homeschooling, there are denominational schools, international schools, Montessori schools etc but you have to send your kid to a state-approved school of some sort and not just keep them at home and teach them whatever to give them a reasonable start in life.
I knew people from that cult, I knew they were weird and they put my hairs up , but they still run an organic plant nursery with a great cafe. A very successful business. I stopped going there after I had interactions with some of them at work and boycotted the nursery and cafe. Now I know what is happening there it explains a lot of the interactions I had with them and why everything felt so off.
I think one big reason why people get sucked in, is if they are going through that searching phase in life. When you are questioning your faith, or having bad self esteem and having someone telling you how amazing they are, all the time. Just a few reasons I can think of.
the bad self esteem is a big one... emotionally vulnerable people that SERIOUSLY are in need of acceptance are prime targets for cults, as sad as that is
Personally if I met anyone who was continually telling me I was great I would try to get away from them and avoid them as much as possible afterwards. I’d just find it rather strange and creepy. Then again I find people who repeatedly use your name when they’re speaking to you creepy and fake.
I'm in a cult and I love it . They are the masters! The best manipulative tactic is to make you think you're free to choose and come and go as you please. I love the freedom to choose. Jesus is the only way out. ❤️ I need the body . We need people. We need fellowship . As. a woman who's been alone my whole life ..beaten and raped. By men ..trying. To do life on my own terms ...it doesn't work. I ran to a church and now I'm starting over from scratch. I feel safe . God saved my life 💖🙏
Just finishing up with my morning Bible time, and began watching this video. As Im listening, a flash thought of memory got me thinking of a pamplet that was given to me when I was at a little park in Spokane,WA traveling through. I looked in my Bible case full of notes and such, sure enough, it is a 12Tribe booklet!! I remember when they gave it to me, and as I thumbed through it, almost every word written in it seemed to be Scripture and or based on The Word, giving me a 'false sense' of it being God directing me to what I had been needing and wanting....to be a part of something good and right, accepted, and belonging to a family. I kindly said, Thank you, I will spend time in prayer about this, and contined my walk. Thank God for the power of prayer!!! I didn't join. Now as I am listening to both you Gentlemen, I think back and see that they seemingly did 'pick me out of the crowd' and zoned in on the obvious 'orphan' expression I carried at that time. Oooh the schemes of the devil!! I truly thank my Lord Jesus for Him equipping His Saints, as like you, to 'shed Light' on this darkness. May The Lord Bless and Keep you, and make His Face shine upon you, and your families, and make your path straight and Greatly Blessed with His Favor!! Shalom Beloved Family of God Most High!!
NO not everybody will fall for these groups: cults, It comes down to people not being able to handle ' life' alone, and having no genuine self faith, And a strong will , no matter the background ; will always see some of us - who have been in other terrible situations where we had to survive, never fall for any of these fruit loop, dangerous groups. My opinion. Thanks ✌🙏🙋♀️🇦🇺💛
Yes Susan you are absolutely right ,these people live in fantasy thinking when they get involved history shows that these cults are nothing but trouble .
I agree 100 percent. I know he says even the strongest person but if you are vulnerable can get sucked in. I'm too strongminded and stubborn and definitely lazy. It's like the people that get scammed. I have stopped a few friends and my husband from getting scammed. I'm not saying I'm smarter than them I'm just more critical and paranoid about everybody and everything. I know I'm not beat for that crap V
As for getting a new name, i was shocked that the Lutheran’s do this here in Japan. A lutheran missionary I was talking to was all excited about upcoming baptisms her church was having and as the pastor’s wife she was going to get to pick all the new names for the people. I was like “that’s not biblical and i would never join a religion if i had to dishonor my parents by rejecting the name they gifted me with to be renamed by a virtual stranger “. She had to be diplomatic and said nothing so I asked what sort of names was she giving the people and she was selecting western names of “saints “ and people from the Bible. I said even the Bible names are not biblical, the Bible names are really in Hebrew that were changed to English names. This is Japan! English names for a Japanese is as weird as a Japanese name for an Englishman. And in a group society where you can be shunned for being different I feel it is very wrong to take away one’s Japanese name and replace it with an English one. What does that say about the religion? It says God is English and the English are superior to the Japanese. I think the moslims also change people’s names to arabic names. I’m not changing my name for anyone. And I think the God of the Bible represents ALL people not just the English. The irony is the English are not even in the Bible so how twisted is that. I don’t know where the Lutheran’s got this mixed up theology. They are the only Christian group i have heard of that requires a name change to be a Christian.
💯💯💯 changing your name is not "only" to disrespect your parents - to separate from them - it's made this way to erase the personality of the membets - They repleace it than with this crazy allways fake happy cult personality
That is weird! Definitely not a general 'Lutheran' feature. The Lutherans here (Germany) are of the happy-clappy, anything goes variety, pretty much like the church of England, trying to be modern, very hands off.
@@intrepidtomato it is the first time I had heard anything like that before from any Christian group. And the church was led by missionaries so it wasn’t a Japanese thing. But there are 2-3 different branches of the Lutheran’s . Maybe only one branch does this i don’t know but it was a major turn off to me. I found it rather cultish to do that.
As a Christian, a Baptist, I dont know how they could come up with such a thing! Shes doing damage to Christianity. She should STOP trying to be controlling!
@@VelveteenRabbit77 I think it is her denomination not her but if it is just her, yeah then her husband the pastor should put an end to it and never should have let this begin.
Scary for Reckless Ben who infiltrated and filmed them. Now I am extra worried. Did not know the bestiality - oh my word. How can this happen in this day and age? What about the law? Know 12 tribes from Reckless Ben. I know you wanted to interview him.
I have literally never known or heard of someone near me who has done stuff like that. I mean I know it exists but it's just freaky to hear the reality
I’m glad Tim’s podcast is making a difference in that the NSW Police searched the Cult’s property and found the bones. Podcasts have made a difference to a couple of other cases I’ve heard of too. They get tips in and public interest which then pushes the police into action. Thanks Andrew for doing this interview with Tim. I’d never heard of this group before. If Tim writes for the Sydney Morning Herald, that would be why. I’m in Queensland and we have different papers. Online the SMH wants a paid subscription. Here’s hoping the Coronial Inquest recommends some arrests and further investigations.
I subscribe to the SMH Online and I don't recall seeing any articles about this group, apart from a recent one about them selling off millions of dollars worth of property. Unfortunately it is legal in NSW for parents or those with parental authority to beat children, so I don't think they can be held to account for that. Religious groups in this state seem to get away with a lot of things that in normal society would violate labour, anti-discrimination or child protection laws.
@@pollyparrot9447 It’s always a state thing. Qld Police recently charged 12 members of a small religious sect for the murder of a young girl. I think she was about 9yrs old and a Type 1 diabetic. Her parents and the group, who don’t believe in medicine either, withheld her insulin injections while they prayed and sang songs over this poor little girl until she died. So at least all the adults there have been charged with her murder. I think the cops having to deal with a senseless, drawn out and religious death of a defenceless child, though stuff you, we’ll take you all down. I hate that these cults can have millions of dollars off the backs of enslaved and indoctrinated members. Let’s hope the word gets out more and people don’t support their businesses. Maybe the cops can get them the American way - tax evasion?
@Jo Jo Wynne it's great they charged them with her murder. Sadly, in America, there are several states which have laws protecting people from murder charges if it was religious beliefs that caused the person's death.
wow just finished listening to the episode. I am glad I did not go to visit the man I befriended on the market that day he was telling us how they have a nice alternative school for our daughter. 🥴
I am from a third world country when you have home delivery and there are stillborn babies they just buried them in the back yard nothing weird about it is the norm
And that’s not even counting the families in mainstream Christian churches who form cults within their churches. Anyone who is extreme in their religious or political beliefs or who are pushy or even subtle about getting others to jump on board with them are red flags for me. I flatline as I listen to them talk and observe their lifestyle.
The first thing to be suspicious of when you meet new people is... how fast they begin to tell you how amazing you are, they can just tell even after JUST meeting you. How can someone who knows NOTHING about you be fit to describe you or your ambitions???
My family went to see the tall ships in Michigan. 12 Tribes were there with their bus. They gave "tours" to look inside and the woodwork was lovely. The women all wore skirts or "clown pants" as someone described
It’s such a common thread with these coercive high control groups, members appear as gentle hippy types living in happy productive communities yet all this horrific abuse is happening behind closed doors. Once again it proves true that old adage, if it appears too good to be true, it probably is. I’m not victim blaming. I’m an idealistic person myself and I can easily see how I could’ve been an easy mark for these bad operators at various points of vulnerability in my life. I admire those who have the courage to escape and share their stories.
Children discipline is not abuse but normal. The bible talks about whoever spares his rod hates his son but whoever loves him disciplines him properly.
@@omarayyash3275 the bible also says many things that are blatantly false or morally reprehensible. The order of creation. Buying or taking people as slaves. Killing people just because they’re different from you and refuse to submit to you or have a different religion.
No. I have never heard of 12 Tribes until I watched this video. I've just finished viewing it and am heartbroken. Over the years, probably since the horrible events in Jonestown was revealed, I've educated myself on many different religions. Along with this I educated myself with known cults so that I never end up in one. Personally, I've always felt that within and about my own self, that I couldn't/wouldn't ever get sucked into a cult. I thank God for this type of knowledge. Also for Him not allowing people that are basically like these to ever cross my path. For allowing me to never actually have encounters with cult members. I pray for the innocents that have been brainwashed while in dangerous cults. I pray for the children born into these cults that are having to adjust to the real world. It is all so TRAGIC and it never ceases to astound me when I hear about another truly BAD/EVIL cult. Existent ones that have evolved with time and still continue into present day, and the new/newer cults still being started to appeal to anyone that will listen and take a step into the unknown. People that may be unaware that they are possibly searching for something that is missing from their lives.😢So Very Sad.
Fascinating and terrifying. I’m now listening to the podcasts. I am a Christian and am deeply concerned how groups like this distort the Word of God and bring genuine Christianity into disrepute.
Genuine Chrstisnity? U must B joking! It was maybe "modern christianity", thst U meant, wehre half of the bible is not taken serious any longer. But the worst part still remains: Rhe GUILT-COMPLEX, on it's base people, lifes and whole families get destroyd in their attempt 2 become a perfect image of christ!
Thank you, Andrew and Tim, for talking about this. It's really shocking. I came across them at a festival in 2012, they made some lovely bread and great pancakes. They gave me a leaflet about their organisation and invited me to visit their community. I did not, thankfully 😮. But Tim is right they do come across as peaceful loving Christian type hippies.
I was raised in a Lutheran church, there is no name changing, if a group of Lutheran missionaries are doing this, it is a different "Luther" they are teaching. That seems to be a very frightening thing for the past decades.
It's well known if you tell your story to a large enough audience that usually stops the death card because it would be So obvious who did it . This really is an effective way if protecting yourself . It doesn't necessarily stop minor annoyances such as. Slanderous articles hate web site about you or PI but when the focus is you and your abusers the law will look at the abuser .
I have read the Bible every scene i was old enough..I always when to a Baptist church and Sunday school. I have always felt God and Jesus the Holy Spirit in my heart ❤️..I know right from wrong..No way will I go along with what my heart and spirit says is wrong...😊
This group ran a cafe at a festival I was involved with for many years. Their food was excellent, so it's shocking how poor the diet is for the members, As you say, they always came across as good people though their literature showed they had some weird ideas. Superstrong work ethic- I remember when we had a bushfire scare and they came out in force to help create breaks. I'm not surprised at the no wages though, that's pretty typical of cultish groups. I was in one back in the 70s and worked for many years for nothing, and had nothing when I left.
I was surprised for him to say that about their diet too. Maybe it is because they are vegetarians I think so he feels they need more protein but yeah, they raise their own food.
The food they sell is very good, but that food is not for the cult members. They do not get enough to eat, there are a lot of problems with their diet. It is discussed in detail on the guest's podcast.
@ST ST they aren't vegetarians actually :) but do have problems with protein. They can only eat what they're allowed, so probably get very little meat since it is expensive. The podcast talked about them eating a lot of millet and whatever vegetables they were given. They would also eat raw brussels sprouts, which depletes protein.
@@katiehensley290 if they can eat meat then they are probably raising their own chickens and eggs so maybe he is mistaken about them having a poor diet but correct about other things.
@ST ST they do have farms, but they aren't allowed to eat whatever they raise. They live communally, and will be given a ration of food and that's what they have to eat. It's spoken about in depth in the "into the tribe" podcast. These are ex-members saying these things. The reason I said they aren't vegetarians is because an ex-member said she and her husband had to give up being vegetarians when they joined.
I fell into a cult - even though I knew better - when I was in a situation where life on one hand was a struggle. I was out of work, in a questionable relationship (it would just become bad), no money, few friends ... on the other hand, I had some big dreams and plans and there was some potential in front of me of what could happen. Fuse this with an innate love of religion and desire to know the truth ..... and away I went! I thought the cult (i.e. the guru, who was Adi Da Samraj) would save me from the troubles, lift me up, and send me on to a good road! There were some warning signs that I ignored, quite deliberately. Once I became formally accepted suddenly I was criticized and chastised and all the cult behaviors came out. I chose to leave. I knew others who had been chastised and I didn't like what they became - effeminate sad men who looked like they were always hiding in a cave with their guru afraid of the world. I was in my 30's and wanted the world, not to hide from it and sit with my misery.
Im probably lucky to be extremely introverted (and on the autism spectrum and what have you) and just NOT AT ALL interested in belonging to anything involving other humans 😝 these cults are so horrific and dangerous 😵💫
I think the feeling of "being better than" comes in many forms. It is more normally attained through academia, advanced degrees, getting public accolades or awards, For those who seek out spiritual groups, it is just measured on a different scale. We are all, hopelessly human, in a confusing world.
People don't even known they have been ensnared! Look how many people believe in the Rapture! A doctrine invented by John Nelson Datby in the 1830s, from a misinterpretation in his translation. Mormons plagiarized a novel by Solomon Spaulding and use it as Scripture. The Church of Christ evolved from a camp meeting/revival where people were rolling around barking like dogs. Jehovah's Witnesses have conflated Jesus and Michael and altered their Scripture to fit their doctrines. So many groups that have innovations for which there is no historical or traditional basis. Protestants altering the Bible to conform with Jewish texts of the 800s versus the Septuagint used at the time of Chrsit. As a matter of fact, if you're not some kind of Catholic or Orthodox, he's probably got you too! "My name is Legion."
It's handy to be aware that even decent people who are addicts feel the need to recruit others, so they can justify their addiction. (By definition; addiction is harmful, else it would just be a useful thing one does. Also emotions can be addictive)
Children of ranchers and farmers put in these hours with their parents everyday. Its called hard work and they love it or choose to go another direction when they become adults. They are proud of accomplishments at a early age. Im not one who goes for cults but some seperations need to be made. I left a cult wasnt easy and they made my life hell for several years.
I watched that a couple of days ago too, about lighthouse.... narcissistic leader, absolute wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.... wonderful that Everything is being exposed...no stone wil be left unturned 🙏💥💪🙌 THANKYOU for being part of the great exposures
I am so glad that you did this one! I heard about them while hiking the Appalachian Trail. They have a spot in VT called the Yellow Deli and they try to recruit thru hikers. So glad to learn more!
I once befriended a man from that cult as he was selling mate in the market . I was completely ignorant of that sect at that time and I was just curious as a farmer to learn more about their agricultural practices. also I love talking to mormons, JW or other bible based religions , just because I find it so interesting how different beliefs use the same book. the man invited us to visit them in their ecovillage but we did not have time.
Mormans and JW are not Bible based religions. In both cases, they have books that they've added that completely change the premise of Jesus/God in the Bible.
@@gaylechristensen6285oh you beat me to it. Have you noticed how they're added text is all about doing good works to work your way up to heaven? Totally conflicts with the actual Bible
@@steph744Joseph Smith was also a fiction writer, and he added text. I think many people in Mormonism don't realize this and they believe that Jesus was real and apparently they do follow him. So it's confusing to me
With regard to the wage claim, when I left this cult, they actually sent me income tax paperwork, and I ended up having to PAY the IRS for the work I did in the cult for the years I was there.
@@susan5998 It could have just been the community I was in at the time. I haven't ever heard of any other ex-member having to pay taxes either. I ended up borrowing money from my family to pay the taxes because I didn't want to face the community in court after leaving the group.
They were not only thrown out of Germany - it may be better said that they fled - because them abusing the children, but because homeschooling is illegal in Germany, and they were not wiling to let the children go to an "outsider"-school. After that, some of them went to Autstria, where homeschooling is possible under certain rules. I don't know if they are here still.
This cult was started in my hometown, so glad to see it covered. Their little restaurants seem great, but they cover horrific things! I refuse to support them.
It's not that I want to defend cults, but according to the general opinion of society, you can't really belong to something anymore, especially if it is connected to religion, because if you do, you are in a cult, and you automatically abuse children and have bizarre beliefs. If that is the case, then the whole province in which I live was in a cult 100 years ago, because back then, everybody here was Catholic. School teachers disciplined the children with mild beating, that was normal, you didn't knew any better, you learned what was moral behavior and what not. The result was that there was virtually NO CRIME whatsoever, almost everybody behaved, and that is what people forget in this modern society. Nowadays there is danger everywhere, especially for women. We are used to insane crime rates. That's the result of excessive freedom. Before world war 2 it was BIG NEWS when a bike was stolen somewhere. It was a public scandal. Nobody put chain locks on them, simply because it was not necessary. You couldn't do anything that you wanted, that's true, but communities were living in peace. That's completely gone now, thanks to modern society, multiculturalism, individualism and crazy liberalism. So yes, modern society itself has it's dark side too.
Very interesting... it seems a lot of these cults are created by people striving to make sense of the chaos of life.... unfortunately these cults are proven time and time again that any kind of ideology in any form is cruel and can never work... the human inner force needs freedom from ideology to grow......... the ability to think for one's self...........
I agree. I would even go so far as to say some cults may have started with only good intentions but things went awry as they tried more and more to create perfection. I actually sympathize with a lot of people that are considered cultish because as a parent we want to protect our children and create the best environment for them yet to do that we have to put them in a bubble and i think that’s what some cults do without realizing a bubble is harmful to children too. Sometimes we just have to let children experience the bumps and bruises of life. Life can be hard to navigate sometimes.
God, I hate myself and beat myself up for days when I as much as shouted at one of my kids, or even worse lost temper and showed frustration or aggression on my face. I can never understand how you could hit a child so it hurts. Most evil with a wooden stick. My mother beat me with a belt and cooking spoons until they broke. It effed me up forever. I would never do this to an innocent soul.
I am trying to find grace in my heart for people caught up in these situations. I can't, for the life of me, understand staying in a place that expects you to beat your own children, or even worse, to allow other people to lay hands on them.
😂😂 all these "religions" are gonna have their own 144,000 soldiers all fighting each other, while Jesus comes back & picks up the chosen & those who chose Him.🤣🤣
Geez you people are everywhere. You never hit your child..hitting happens because someone is angry and you should never discipline your child angry. Kids should be concerned or fear consequences but they shouldn’t fear their parent. Nobody wants a mean daddy
This is so sad. Parts of this reminds me of my childhood. Work, sleep deprivation, emotional, verbal & physical abuse. Also religious abuse being told you'll go to hell for not honering your parents. She wasn't in this cult, but instead on drugs but wow. Praying for all survivors. Jesus is love, this isn't love.
My first thought was that when children become pregnant, the first pregnancy, especially without prenatal care and with a physically stressed 'mother', ends in miscarriage or stillbirth.
I am gobsmacked at how many intelligent individuals get "brainwashed" by these fundamental religious zealots! I am not religious but spiritual and can't fathom this type of control and WHY people submit to it. 😵💫😳
It's most simply all psychological trickery, based on the very basic mental needs of every human being: Foremost the longing 4 love, meaning and acceptance.
Thank you for educating people who may not have understood about something like why people can be drawn into bad things when they are vulnerable. What I didn’t like hearing you do was, while making a good general point, dwell on women being victims of men, instead of talking about people abused by their partners. That perpetuates a dangerous stereotype, and plays into to lies, disinformation, and misinformation that are so prevalent in stopping men coming forward about their abuse by female partners, and also both women and men abused by their same-sex partners.
I think a lot of us have moments in life where we throw up our hands and just want someone to take over. Someone to make the decisions for a while. I can’t help but wonder if there’s a subconscious appeal to that for some people - albeit to an extreme in these cases.
Who wants others to take over their lives for them even for awhile. I didn't like my parents trying to run my life at 3 and 4 and 5 to 15 when I moved. There is always prison and jail if you want someone else to tell you what to do.
Well I just googled them and they list specific countries, towns they are in and business that they run Thanks for your research and sharing it I had never heard of this group
Wanted to add a little something....Looking at the booklet as I'm listening and realized that on the cover of the booklet, it says, "Brand New Culture"= CULTure!!!! There's your sign LOL Thanks again for your brillant n bold content and well done videos!!
And it's like beating an abusive relationship it doesn't start out abusive it doesn't start getting abusive until you get into a certain time frame. Or mental state that they see and then they start their abuse and then you're too far into it and then you're ashamed that you fell for it. Yeah it's a romantic mental messed up situation and as a country. We're doing the same thing to ourselves in America with our mental health care and telling children that they can be all these different genders and then them demanding. They want to go to puberty blockers. And all the other stuff that basically renders them infertile and sterilized
Manipulation is a powerful tool! And I know a lot of the Scientologist’s stayed simply because they were too ashamed to leave, when they found out the truth. Then again you hear quite a bit of them saying they really believed they were helping the world. Then the fear of losing your family. There are so many different reason for, who what, and why. It’s incredibly sad. I know being brought up as a Christian. I felt as if, what harm is there? Until I lost my faith. I had read the Bible several tones, but only by book, by book. I had technically read the whole Bible. But when I lost my faith, I decided to pray every morning, so a daily devotional, and read the Bible. I was reading it in 90 days. And I stuck to it. I felt there was no way there wasn’t a God. I was so confused by the time I ended reading the Bible. And the knowledge I had learned along the way. Like that fact that the letter J didn’t even exist during the time of Jesus! So we aren’t even calling him the right name! And if you are technically going to translate his name to English, it’s Joshua…. Anyway, I know I still had experienced some major supernatural type experiences in my life. So I feel there has to be some type of higher power. And I pray I find that soon… To each his own, as long as you are not harming anyone. Do no harm, spread love, and compassion. Just us as individuals.
Hit the like, share this video on socials and let me know thoughts below. Had you heard of 12 Tribes?
I heard of them from Reckless Ben's channel. They're doing a series on them. It's the same guy who did the "best scientology documentary" series
From what I've seen it's very scary. The things they believe are so horrendous that UA-cam keeps taking down the videos exposing them.
@@christophekeating21 I’m sure wreckless Ben was meant to do a live with Andrew a couple of months & he didn’t even bother his ass to show up for it, or apologise for not doing so- ignorant & unprofessional imo
Haven’t heard of this one before - so today is another edgehog school day on the cult front for me! 😂. Hoping to catch this live, but I’m currently sailing on the North Sea en route to the Shetland islands…😳😬
@@bethmcnaughton2503 Correct! Not Christophe's fault though haha :D But yes, and he never did apologise...oh well!
I'm speechless. There is one of these groups about an hour's drive from my home. My family has eaten in their restaurant (it's one of our favorites) and shopped at their natural food store multiple times. We had no idea. We thought they were akin to Mennonites or Amish or hippies. If we had known all this was going on we would have never gone. I'm sad, but grateful to know the truth now.
It's probably important for the children of the cult to see free people who participate in open society. I know that definitely helped me to get out of the cult I grew up in. As a child who has never seen anything different, it's amazing to see people who are free-minded and in control of their own lives. It helps keep me from getting love-bombed back INTO the cult, knowing that humans are meant to live freely and think for themselves. We are not healthy when we live trapped (even mentally and emotionally) in cult thinking and systems.
@@dramatriangle I can see your point, but there are no children present in the restaurant or shop. Only adults are there working. The children must be kept at home.
@@joy2bme adults need to reminded of the free world too and that will carry over to the children
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Have you considered writing a book about your experience, and what is like to see another side after a lifetime of only knowing what you did?
Or is it still a shock, add an ongoing acclimation?
If you were maltreated I'm so sorry and sick for you. No child deserves to live under that kind of oppression.
It is a source of amazement to me when I hear people talk about having the freedom to choose what they want to be and how they want to live, but don't give their own children that option later. Hypocritical of then don't you think?
I'm so glad you commented here, it's not every day you come across an ex cult member, though I hesitate to refer to you as such since it wasn't even your choice.
Hugs to you.
Then you get in there, and you GET THOSE BABIES!!!
It is scary that this still goes on, but it demonstrates how vulnerable we are and how easy it is for the unscrupulous to exploit people.
Speak for yourself. Why is being a victim a thing?
Yes, and how the narcissist knows instinctively & intuitively on whom to prey & exercise flattery & love bombing. Be aware of the red flags. 1) If something seems/feels wrong it probably is and 2) There is no such thing as a free lunch!
Yep it shows how the trans cult works
Sometimes I feel like the whole world is a cult. I mean politicians want to tell people what they can and can’t eat, what vitamins they can and cannot take, and collect taxes for everything from water to food to living on your own property, telling people what they can do and put on their own property, telling people how to raise their kids including you have to indoctrinate your kids in schools to believe they can choose their own gender and they must follow their government’s moral doctrine not the family’s and so on. If people don’t follow what the government dictates then they are thrown in jail. We are all living in a cult whether we like it or not .
This happens all over the world. In 3rd world country it's worse
Andrew I was married to a strict fundamentalist Evangelical, his first step was to try to destroy my self confidence. As for ‘informing’ on me to the pastors, that was done to have people pray for ‘my sins’. The underhanded things that he did to destroy me, break me down so that he was the only person who loved me & I could trust. It was horrible. The PTSD from that relationship and the triggers still happen. BTW the Bible calls for submission NOT subjection.
That is called religious abuse. I was subjected to it too.
I'm sorry you experienced that. He sounds very narcissistic.
Evangelicals don't do that but it'd be the WAY PERSONALITY of your husband. There are all kinds of personalities out there he might be Narcisstic or something else personality wise. (said in love)
Calls for submission to one another!
It's obvious that men wrote the Bible as they are so pathetically weak they have fooled women into thinking that we need to submit to them, using God. Interesting that women were supposed to do this no matter how bad, cruel or foolish they and their decisions were. We're supposed to go along with whatever they say.
I was in a cult like this 38 years ago. It affected my whole life. Cant talk about it too painful still
You got out alive, so you won 💜
@@Des7iny7 what a BS!
Sending you love. My sister and I always say we are survivors of the worlds smallest cult - our family of 4. We were cut off from the rest of society and had to obey my mom as if she was a cult leader. We were brainwashed, beaten, starved and emotionally battered. 😢
Yet, you are out to lead your lives in peace. Thank God for this
@@jjsmama401 oh babe :(
Hi Andrew - Thank you so much for this interview. My husband and I can totally relate. It wasn’t this group, but a similar one that got our daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren. They were befriended by our son-in-law’s boss and ended up going to that “church “. Very slowly, we could see what was happening to them. Because we didn’t go to that church, they were told not to have anything to do with us, and subsequently we couldn’t see the grandchildren. So I started going there just to see what the kids were up against. It was horrific. They were told to buy and use the wooden paddle to discipline the kids. Our granddaughter was only 5 at the time and they had to use the paddle on her and follow the book that the “pastor” wrote on disciplining children. There was a school attached to the “church” and you could only go to the school if you went to that “church” and if you went to that “church”, your kids had to go to that school. If the kids didn’t sit still in school, their legs were tied to the chairs. In each service, they collected money 3 times and were told to give everything they had. We didn’t get caught up in it - but could see what was happening. And we kept hearing that they weren’t a cult! After a lot of prayer on our part, they finally got out. Now there is an ongoing investigation regarding sexual abuse and physical abuse in the school from years ago. The leader/pastor has disappeared and a lot of the leadership from back then are being charged. We’re in a small city in Saskatchewan, Canada 🇨🇦 and no one at the time really knew what was happening. I’m sorry if this sounds disjointed - but whenever I think back on it, I am so thankful that our family is now doing great. There was so much more that happened as well - but I think this is enough for now!! Thanks for letting me tell part of our story.
So tragic and maddening!
I think it was very brave of you to keep on going to this "church" in order to not lose your grandchildren (and daughter/son in law). We can tell whne we read this post how much you have gone through. I hope you are emerging from the trauma. You are wonderful parents. I hope everybody is well or getting there now. xxx
@@kathleencole80 It was - but we all got through it a lot stronger!
@@annepoitrineau5650 Anne - Thanks for your concern. It was very hard for us to go through it - but we made it. I cried a lot of tears for all of them. When they were thinking of leaving there, they told us afterwards that they couldn’t say anything to anyone for fear it would get back to the leadership. But my granddaughter, when she was 7, said to me “Grandma, I saw my new school today and I have a real desk!” Then I knew they were out of that place! I’m glad they left before terrible things happened to the grandkids at school. Former students are now talking in the news about what happened to them - the physical and sexual abuse from the staff. And there are other horror stories as well. I can truly feel for parents whose kids are caught up in something like this. But it happens so easily and quietly. Like Andrew said in the video - they get lovebombed and then are hooked.
Love to you and your, may your life be filled with love and laughter to you all ❤❤❤
Child labor laws need to be tweaked hold cults and churches accountable.
It sounds like Germany was able to stop them by banning violence against children.
Scientology seems the worst. They break all labor laws and their workers do not get a legal basic wage. They violate child and adult labor. These cults are horrible.
Lol at a time when states are actively loosening child labor laws. Not gonna happen, U.S moving backwards.
Cults yes, by all means!! This is the same as Scientology. Not all religion is bad.
@Lynda Wadsworth they're not saying all religion is bad. Just that churches can and do use child labor which can become abusive if not kept in check.
I guess I’m just much to lazy to ever get involved in a cult!
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I know I couldn't take working those crazy hours and no sleep!
Right? That and murder.. too much work
I make dumb decisions and need protection from myself. The cult is great
@@gotcha9983 😅
good interview, Andrew. Being curious, I googled and found an excellent article from a Winnipeg, Manitoba reporter Michael Welch who infiltrated the cult for 6 weeks and his story was picked up by CBC, our Canadian national equivalent to the BBC. His perspective is similar to Tim’s. perhaps you might want to interview him as well? people need to be aware of these organizations so they can make reasoned decisions.
As a fellow Winnipeger, I’ll have to find that article. Thanks!
I spent 8 years in a cult. There was many of the things that Allen described, child abuse, sexual assault and the working of 15-hour days for a meager salary. We were encouraged to inform on each other and that this is what God would want us to do (protecting our brothers and sisters from the wrong path). When I left, I was told I would be raped, get cancer and die terribly. Threatening calls came to the house and the sense of doom was around me all the time. What got me thru was my philosophy, if this was supposed to be heaven then I would rather go to hell. Thank you for your videos.
It’s always about abuse, sex , and money
Jesus Christ is the only way. I hope and pray for you ✝️❤️
Good for you for getting out of there!
@@katiehensley290 Yes, thank you for the encouragement.
Wow! That was a very strong and appropriate comment. If this cult is heaven, then I'd rather be in hell. I believe humans create hell on earth. I fail to see how anything could be worse than what we create here on planet earth. Humans are horrible to each other on so many different levels. Humans destroy planet earth and each other, all in the name of religion and greed.
If anyone want to know about this group I have 10 years in this cult in the tribe of Manasseh middle united States. I've got a whole podcast worth of info on these guys
it would be so cool to have an interview with a survivor! I hope there's a follow up.
I used to attend work meetings at their cafe in New South Wales. This is just before I found out who they were. The cafe staff had that remote look on their faces. I never saw them engaging in talk with the patrons or each other.
That's interesting! I went to the Yellow Deli in Boulder, Colorado, one of their businesses. The staff talked with patrons a fair bit. I took some of their literature because I was curious to learn more about their beliefs. My waitress saw this and got very excited. She told me to come back and talk with them if I had questions about what I read. And she said I could visit them where they live to ask questions as well.
Yup always sex abuse money nothing new under the sun
These people are lost who join to begin with very sad
How could you work for no wages
Sorry not me
They become slaves basically
I remember this group from Grateful Dead shows in the eighties, creepy and predatory; obviously a cult. There were many scary stories about them from people who lived near them Vermont.
This was also the 12 tribes group. They’re still going to GD related shows and recruiting to this day. They run the chain of Yellow Deli restaurants across the US.
@@shewho333 that’s them 😖
I was wondering if anyone knew of any Rhode Island contacts?
@@MonsterMacLLC For the cult? Are you looking for someone?
I saw a piece about them hanging out at music festivals and " helping" people who are too high.
Blimey there are no end of religious cults. You think you've heard them all and you find out there's another one you weren't aware of.
It's the children I feel for. 😢
I saw this group at The Winter Festival in Katoomba (NSW Australia) a few years ago. They came across as really hippy and lovey dovey. They were definitely recruiting!!
Worrisome!
All evangelic groups R recruiting as well! That cult is only a small part of the tip of the christian iceberg!
Never heard of them before Andrew,thanks for the headsup. So glad they are being exposed...scary stuff : (
I know a guy whose family was in one of the worst cults . The trauma is heartbreaking. How is it? Some of the biggest sins are done in these places, and they hide behind religion - and are left alone?
Andrew, you have such interesting guests and subjects on your show, I enjoy and appreciate your work, thank you 😊
I knew someone in Colorado that had told me 12 Tribes own a few shops near him and he's heard some horrible things about this cult.
Where at in Colorado? I live there.
Yes in Manitou Springs Colorado and in Boulder
They own Yellow Deli, which has a location in Boulder. That might be what's in Manitou springs too.
I loved visiting Manitou. I wanted to live there.
Yup. They're also thought to be responsible for starting the Marshall fire last year in near Boulder, which destroyed thousands of homes.
I‘ve just googled them. They obviously left Germany and went to the Czech Republic after lots of law suits and interference by child protection.
Weird. Never heard of them before.
Really interesting. I thought they were a German thing because I've heard about them here. They got arrested (at least briefly) because they refused to send their children to school. Germany doesn't really allow homeschooling, there are denominational schools, international schools, Montessori schools etc but you have to send your kid to a state-approved school of some sort and not just keep them at home and teach them whatever to give them a reasonable start in life.
So, basically, the gov't is the dictator and overlord and you must do what they say. Sounds like a cult, too.
I knew people from that cult, I knew they were weird and they put my hairs up , but they still run an organic plant nursery with a great cafe. A very successful business. I stopped going there after I had interactions with some of them at work and boycotted the nursery and cafe. Now I know what is happening there it explains a lot of the interactions I had with them and why everything felt so off.
It’s easy for a business to be successful when it’s supplied with endless free labor. Paying wages to employees really cuts into profit margins.
I think one big reason why people get sucked in, is if they are going through that searching phase in life. When you are questioning your faith, or having bad self esteem and having someone telling you how amazing they are, all the time. Just a few reasons I can think of.
the bad self esteem is a big one... emotionally vulnerable people that SERIOUSLY are in need of acceptance are prime targets for cults, as sad as that is
Personally if I met anyone who was continually telling me I was great I would try to get away from them and avoid them as much as possible afterwards. I’d just find it rather strange and creepy. Then again I find people who repeatedly use your name when they’re speaking to you creepy and fake.
@@murph8411 I’m not a big fan of someone using my name extra in a conversation either! Lol! It really does make me feel some type of way.
I'm in a cult and I love it . They are the masters! The best manipulative tactic is to make you think you're free to choose and come and go as you please. I love the freedom to choose. Jesus is the only way out. ❤️ I need the body . We need people. We need fellowship . As. a woman who's been alone my whole life ..beaten and raped. By men ..trying. To do life on my own terms ...it doesn't work. I ran to a church and now I'm starting over from scratch. I feel safe . God saved my life 💖🙏
Just finishing up with my morning Bible time, and began watching this video. As Im listening, a flash thought of memory got me thinking of a pamplet that was given to me when I was at a little park in Spokane,WA traveling through. I looked in my Bible case full of notes and such, sure enough, it is a 12Tribe booklet!! I remember when they gave it to me, and as I thumbed through it, almost every word written in it seemed to be Scripture and or based on The Word, giving me a 'false sense' of it being God directing me to what I had been needing and wanting....to be a part of something good and right, accepted, and belonging to a family. I kindly said, Thank you, I will spend time in prayer about this, and contined my walk. Thank God for the power of prayer!!! I didn't join. Now as I am listening to both you Gentlemen, I think back and see that they seemingly did 'pick me out of the crowd' and zoned in on the obvious 'orphan' expression I carried at that time. Oooh the schemes of the devil!! I truly thank my Lord Jesus for Him equipping His Saints, as like you, to 'shed Light' on this darkness. May The Lord Bless and Keep you, and make His Face shine upon you, and your families, and make your path straight and Greatly Blessed with His Favor!! Shalom Beloved Family of God Most High!!
NO not everybody will fall for these groups: cults, It comes down to people not being able to handle ' life' alone, and having no genuine self faith, And a strong will , no matter the background ; will always see some of us - who have been in other terrible situations where we had to survive, never fall for any of these fruit loop, dangerous groups. My opinion. Thanks ✌🙏🙋♀️🇦🇺💛
Yes Susan you are absolutely right ,these people live in fantasy thinking when they get involved history shows that these cults are nothing but trouble .
I agree 100 percent. I know he says even the strongest person but if you are vulnerable can get sucked in. I'm too strongminded and stubborn and definitely lazy. It's like the people that get scammed. I have stopped a few friends and my husband from getting scammed. I'm not saying I'm smarter than them I'm just more critical and paranoid about everybody and everything. I know I'm not beat for that crap
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As for getting a new name, i was shocked that the Lutheran’s do this here in Japan. A lutheran missionary I was talking to was all excited about upcoming baptisms her church was having and as the pastor’s wife she was going to get to pick all the new names for the people. I was like “that’s not biblical and i would never join a religion if i had to dishonor my parents by rejecting the name they gifted me with to be renamed by a virtual stranger “. She had to be diplomatic and said nothing so I asked what sort of names was she giving the people and she was selecting western names of “saints “ and people from the Bible. I said even the Bible names are not biblical, the Bible names are really in Hebrew that were changed to English names. This is Japan! English names for a Japanese is as weird as a Japanese name for an Englishman. And in a group society where you can be shunned for being different I feel it is very wrong to take away one’s Japanese name and replace it with an English one. What does that say about the religion? It says God is English and the English are superior to the Japanese. I think the moslims also change people’s names to arabic names. I’m not changing my name for anyone. And I think the God of the Bible represents ALL people not just the English. The irony is the English are not even in the Bible so how twisted is that. I don’t know where the Lutheran’s got this mixed up theology. They are the only Christian group i have heard of that requires a name change to be a Christian.
💯💯💯 changing your name is not "only" to disrespect your parents - to separate from them - it's made this way to erase the personality of the membets -
They repleace it than with this crazy allways fake happy cult personality
That is weird! Definitely not a general 'Lutheran' feature. The Lutherans here (Germany) are of the happy-clappy, anything goes variety, pretty much like the church of England, trying to be modern, very hands off.
@@intrepidtomato it is the first time I had heard anything like that before from any Christian group. And the church was led by missionaries so it wasn’t a Japanese thing. But there are 2-3 different branches of the Lutheran’s . Maybe only one branch does this i don’t know but it was a major turn off to me. I found it rather cultish to do that.
As a Christian, a Baptist, I dont know how they could come up with such a thing! Shes doing damage to Christianity. She should STOP trying to be controlling!
@@VelveteenRabbit77 I think it is her denomination not her but if it is just her, yeah then her husband the pastor should put an end to it and never should have let this begin.
Scary for Reckless Ben who infiltrated and filmed them. Now I am extra worried. Did not know the bestiality - oh my word. How can this happen in this day and age? What about the law? Know 12 tribes from Reckless Ben. I know you wanted to interview him.
I have literally never known or heard of someone near me who has done stuff like that. I mean I know it exists but it's just freaky to hear the reality
Believe it or not bestiality isn’t illegal in every state.
@@catherinegrace2366 canada legalized beastiality 5-10 years ago.
I’m glad Tim’s podcast is making a difference in that the NSW Police searched the Cult’s property and found the bones. Podcasts have made a difference to a couple of other cases I’ve heard of too. They get tips in and public interest which then pushes the police into action.
Thanks Andrew for doing this interview with Tim. I’d never heard of this group before. If Tim writes for the Sydney Morning Herald, that would be why. I’m in Queensland and we have different papers. Online the SMH wants a paid subscription. Here’s hoping the Coronial Inquest recommends some arrests and further investigations.
I subscribe to the SMH Online and I don't recall seeing any articles about this group, apart from a recent one about them selling off millions of dollars worth of property. Unfortunately it is legal in NSW for parents or those with parental authority to beat children, so I don't think they can be held to account for that. Religious groups in this state seem to get away with a lot of things that in normal society would violate labour, anti-discrimination or child protection laws.
@@pollyparrot9447 It’s always a state thing. Qld Police recently charged 12 members of a small religious sect for the murder of a young girl. I think she was about 9yrs old and a Type 1 diabetic. Her parents and the group, who don’t believe in medicine either, withheld her insulin injections while they prayed and sang songs over this poor little girl until she died. So at least all the adults there have been charged with her murder. I think the cops having to deal with a senseless, drawn out and religious death of a defenceless child, though stuff you, we’ll take you all down.
I hate that these cults can have millions of dollars off the backs of enslaved and indoctrinated members. Let’s hope the word gets out more and people don’t support their businesses. Maybe the cops can get them the American way - tax evasion?
@Jo Jo Wynne it's great they charged them with her murder. Sadly, in America, there are several states which have laws protecting people from murder charges if it was religious beliefs that caused the person's death.
wow just finished listening to the episode. I am glad I did not go to visit the man I befriended on the market that day he was telling us how they have a nice alternative school for our daughter. 🥴
I am from a third world country when you have home delivery and there are stillborn babies they just buried them in the back yard nothing weird about it is the norm
Pangolin is similar to an armidillo...
I had never heard of this cult, but I have several different articles that say "there are approximately 6,000 cults at any given time"
Wow!! I didn't know there was such a large number! I can only imagine just how many have gone under the radar and have yet to be exposed. 😔 😢
And that’s not even counting the families in mainstream Christian churches who form cults within their churches.
Anyone who is extreme in their religious or political beliefs or who are pushy or even subtle about getting others to jump on board with them are red flags for me. I flatline as I listen to them talk and observe their lifestyle.
Hello from Scotland Glasgow I've never heard of this group but will defo keep my eye's and eyes open from now on love your channel
Awesome! Thank you!
sounds like the group as a whole has narcissistic personality disorder
The first thing to be suspicious of when you meet new people is... how fast they begin to tell you how amazing you are, they can just tell even after JUST meeting you.
How can someone who knows NOTHING about you be fit to describe you or your ambitions???
When U feel weak and useless U R open 4 any kind of lifting and stabilizing "information". In such a situation one can hardly access logical thinking.
Love bombing is one of the red flags for a coercive, high control malignant narcissist individual or group.
Reckless Ben has a series infiltrating these guys. Fun watching him wind them up but there's definitely a sinister feeling I get from the group.
Danny Berk was with Ben and he also has a series in line with Ben's series. It's also very good
Reckless Ben did a fantastic series on this group. Well worth a watch.
My family went to see the tall ships in Michigan. 12 Tribes were there with their bus. They gave "tours" to look inside and the woodwork was lovely. The women all wore skirts or "clown pants" as someone described
It’s such a common thread with these coercive high control groups, members appear as gentle hippy types living in happy productive communities yet all this horrific abuse is happening behind closed doors. Once again it proves true that old adage, if it appears too good to be true, it probably is.
I’m not victim blaming. I’m an idealistic person myself and I can easily see how I could’ve been an easy mark for these bad operators at various points of vulnerability in my life. I admire those who have the courage to escape and share their stories.
Children discipline is not abuse but normal. The bible talks about whoever spares his rod hates his son but whoever loves him disciplines him properly.
@@omarayyash3275 the bible also says many things that are blatantly false or morally reprehensible. The order of creation. Buying or taking people as slaves. Killing people just because they’re different from you and refuse to submit to you or have a different religion.
No. I have never heard of 12 Tribes until I watched this video. I've just finished viewing it and am heartbroken. Over the years, probably since the horrible events in Jonestown was revealed, I've educated myself on many different religions. Along with this I educated myself with known cults so that I never end up in one. Personally, I've always felt that within and about my own self, that I couldn't/wouldn't ever get sucked into a cult. I thank God for this type of knowledge. Also for Him not allowing people that are basically like these to ever cross my path. For allowing me to never actually have encounters with cult members. I pray for the innocents that have been brainwashed while in dangerous cults. I pray for the children born into these cults that are having to adjust to the real world. It is all so TRAGIC and it never ceases to astound me when I hear about another truly BAD/EVIL cult. Existent ones that have evolved with time and still continue into present day, and the new/newer cults still being started to appeal to anyone that will listen and take a step into the unknown. People that may be unaware that they are possibly searching for something that is missing from their lives.😢So Very Sad.
I can't imagine anyone having physical intimacy with a pangolin. They are covered in hard sharp scales.
For a moment there I thought he was talking about the brainwashing of covid... sounds very similar.
Fascinating and terrifying. I’m now listening to the podcasts. I am a Christian and am deeply concerned how groups like this distort the Word of God and bring genuine Christianity into disrepute.
All religions start as cults!
Genuine Chrstisnity? U must B joking! It was maybe "modern christianity", thst U meant, wehre half of the bible is not taken serious any longer. But the worst part still remains: Rhe GUILT-COMPLEX, on it's base people, lifes and whole families get destroyd in their attempt 2 become a perfect image of christ!
Amen!
It’s not just cults that distort gods word , remember the Spanish inquisitions , or the holy wars , paedophile priests? All good catholic christians
Thank you, Andrew and Tim, for talking about this. It's really shocking. I came across them at a festival in 2012, they made some lovely bread and great pancakes. They gave me a leaflet about their organisation and invited me to visit their community. I did not, thankfully 😮. But Tim is right they do come across as peaceful loving Christian type hippies.
I was raised in a Lutheran church, there is no name changing, if a group of Lutheran missionaries are doing this, it is a different "Luther" they are teaching. That seems to be a very frightening thing for the past decades.
It's well known if you tell your story to a large enough audience that usually stops the death card because it would be So obvious who did it . This really is an effective way if protecting yourself . It doesn't necessarily stop minor annoyances such as. Slanderous articles hate web site about you or PI but when the focus is you and your abusers the law will look at the abuser .
I have read the Bible every scene i was old enough..I always when to a Baptist church and Sunday school. I have always felt God and Jesus the Holy Spirit in my heart ❤️..I know right from wrong..No way will I go along with what my heart and spirit says is wrong...😊
I’m glad you said that d v is not so simple, it took me 10 years to leave
This group ran a cafe at a festival I was involved with for many years. Their food was excellent, so it's shocking how poor the diet is for the members, As you say, they always came across as good people though their literature showed they had some weird ideas. Superstrong work ethic- I remember when we had a bushfire scare and they came out in force to help create breaks. I'm not surprised at the no wages though, that's pretty typical of cultish groups. I was in one back in the 70s and worked for many years for nothing, and had nothing when I left.
I was surprised for him to say that about their diet too. Maybe it is because they are vegetarians I think so he feels they need more protein but yeah, they raise their own food.
The food they sell is very good, but that food is not for the cult members. They do not get enough to eat, there are a lot of problems with their diet. It is discussed in detail on the guest's podcast.
@ST ST they aren't vegetarians actually :) but do have problems with protein. They can only eat what they're allowed, so probably get very little meat since it is expensive. The podcast talked about them eating a lot of millet and whatever vegetables they were given. They would also eat raw brussels sprouts, which depletes protein.
@@katiehensley290 if they can eat meat then they are probably raising their own chickens and eggs so maybe he is mistaken about them having a poor diet but correct about other things.
@ST ST they do have farms, but they aren't allowed to eat whatever they raise. They live communally, and will be given a ration of food and that's what they have to eat. It's spoken about in depth in the "into the tribe" podcast. These are ex-members saying these things. The reason I said they aren't vegetarians is because an ex-member said she and her husband had to give up being vegetarians when they joined.
I fell into a cult - even though I knew better - when I was in a situation where life on one hand was a struggle. I was out of work, in a questionable relationship (it would just become bad), no money, few friends ... on the other hand, I had some big dreams and plans and there was some potential in front of me of what could happen. Fuse this with an innate love of religion and desire to know the truth ..... and away I went! I thought the cult (i.e. the guru, who was Adi Da Samraj) would save me from the troubles, lift me up, and send me on to a good road! There were some warning signs that I ignored, quite deliberately. Once I became formally accepted suddenly I was criticized and chastised and all the cult behaviors came out. I chose to leave. I knew others who had been chastised and I didn't like what they became - effeminate sad men who looked like they were always hiding in a cave with their guru afraid of the world. I was in my 30's and wanted the world, not to hide from it and sit with my misery.
Im probably lucky to be extremely introverted (and on the autism spectrum and what have you) and just NOT AT ALL interested in belonging to anything involving other humans 😝 these cults are so horrific and dangerous 😵💫
I think the feeling of "being better than" comes in many forms. It is more normally attained through academia, advanced degrees, getting public accolades or awards, For those who seek out spiritual groups, it is just measured on a different scale. We are all, hopelessly human, in a confusing world.
The devil is out there. Everyone should pray.
Two short sentences-two misconceptions. The "devil "does not exist and prayers are just vapid wishes that go to no one and to nowhere.
If tou think praying does anything, your fooled by the devil
People don't even known they have been ensnared! Look how many people believe in the Rapture! A doctrine invented by John Nelson Datby in the 1830s, from a misinterpretation in his translation. Mormons plagiarized a novel by Solomon Spaulding and use it as Scripture. The Church of Christ evolved from a camp meeting/revival where people were rolling around barking like dogs. Jehovah's Witnesses have conflated Jesus and Michael and altered their Scripture to fit their doctrines. So many groups that have innovations for which there is no historical or traditional basis. Protestants altering the Bible to conform with Jewish texts of the 800s versus the Septuagint used at the time of Chrsit. As a matter of fact, if you're not some kind of Catholic or Orthodox, he's probably got you too! "My name is Legion."
People can easily be coerced into giving each other up... just look at WWII and the pandemic, etc. You don't need a cult!
It's handy to be aware that even decent people who are addicts feel the need to recruit others, so they can justify their addiction.
(By definition; addiction is harmful, else it would just be a useful thing one does. Also emotions can be addictive)
Not to justify … to get drugs easier
Every single beeing is emotional addiced. Thst's they way we all got steard trough hormones.
Children of ranchers and farmers put in these hours with their parents everyday. Its called hard work and they love it or choose to go another direction when they become adults. They are proud of accomplishments at a early age.
Im not one who goes for cults but some seperations need to be made. I left a cult wasnt easy and they made my life hell for several years.
I am a mega fan of the channel, having only today watched a documentary on the cult lighthouse on bbc iplayer I wonder if they are familiar to you?
My latest episode was about them, so you'll be pleased! ua-cam.com/video/sX3MEQK66ds/v-deo.html
I watched that a couple of days ago too, about lighthouse.... narcissistic leader, absolute wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.... wonderful that Everything is being exposed...no stone wil be left unturned 🙏💥💪🙌 THANKYOU for being part of the great exposures
I am so glad that you did this one! I heard about them while hiking the Appalachian Trail. They have a spot in VT called the Yellow Deli and they try to recruit thru hikers. So glad to learn more!
We have a yellow deli in Chilliwack, BC. Canada
There’s a Yellow Deli in a neighboring town that I ate lunch at one day, what are they called? I assumed they’re Amish.
I once befriended a man from that cult as he was selling mate in the market . I was completely ignorant of that sect at that time and I was just curious as a farmer to learn more about their agricultural practices. also I love talking to mormons, JW or other bible based religions , just because I find it so interesting how different beliefs use the same book.
the man invited us to visit them in their ecovillage but we did not have time.
Mormans and JW are not Bible based religions. In both cases, they have books that they've added that completely change the premise of Jesus/God in the Bible.
tell JW that they are not bible based !! :) and Joseph smith is a big bible fan
Mormons add their own separate texts that completely conflict with the Bible.
@@gaylechristensen6285oh you beat me to it. Have you noticed how they're added text is all about doing good works to work your way up to heaven? Totally conflicts with the actual Bible
@@steph744Joseph Smith was also a fiction writer, and he added text. I think many people in Mormonism don't realize this and they believe that Jesus was real and apparently they do follow him. So it's confusing to me
With regard to the wage claim, when I left this cult, they actually sent me income tax paperwork, and I ended up having to PAY the IRS for the work I did in the cult for the years I was there.
wait a minute wtf?
Horrible!
You are the ONLY person to have made this claim. And i have researched. Immensely.
@@susan5998 It could have just been the community I was in at the time. I haven't ever heard of any other ex-member having to pay taxes either. I ended up borrowing money from my family to pay the taxes because I didn't want to face the community in court after leaving the group.
@@gcarr5355 thank you for the clarification.
They were not only thrown out of Germany - it may be better said that they fled - because them abusing the children, but because homeschooling is illegal in Germany, and they were not wiling to let the children go to an "outsider"-school.
After that, some of them went to Autstria, where homeschooling is possible under certain rules. I don't know if they are here still.
This cult was started in my hometown, so glad to see it covered. Their little restaurants seem great, but they cover horrific things! I refuse to support them.
Whoa classic love bombing at its finest... So sad.. thank you Andrew for your chanel.. ❤️
Hey Andrew 🙋🏽♀️ could you please do a video on a cult called The OTO.
It's not that I want to defend cults, but according to the general opinion of society, you can't really belong to something anymore, especially if it is connected to religion, because if you do, you are in a cult, and you automatically abuse children and have bizarre beliefs. If that is the case, then the whole province in which I live was in a cult 100 years ago, because back then, everybody here was Catholic. School teachers disciplined the children with mild beating, that was normal, you didn't knew any better, you learned what was moral behavior and what not. The result was that there was virtually NO CRIME whatsoever, almost everybody behaved, and that is what people forget in this modern society. Nowadays there is danger everywhere, especially for women. We are used to insane crime rates. That's the result of excessive freedom. Before world war 2 it was BIG NEWS when a bike was stolen somewhere. It was a public scandal. Nobody put chain locks on them, simply because it was not necessary. You couldn't do anything that you wanted, that's true, but communities were living in peace. That's completely gone now, thanks to modern society, multiculturalism, individualism and crazy liberalism. So yes, modern society itself has it's dark side too.
Get those kids out of there!!!!!!
I just changed the title to this. Thanks Rachael
Very interesting... it seems a lot of these cults are created by people striving to make sense of the chaos of life.... unfortunately these cults are proven time and time again that any kind of ideology in any form is cruel and can never work... the human inner force needs freedom from ideology to grow......... the ability to think for one's self...........
You figured this stuff out.
I agree. I would even go so far as to say some cults may have started with only good intentions but things went awry as they tried more and more to create perfection.
I actually sympathize with a lot of people that are considered cultish because as a parent we want to protect our children and create the best environment for them yet to do that we have to put them in a bubble and i think that’s what some cults do without realizing a bubble is harmful to children too. Sometimes we just have to let children experience the bumps and bruises of life.
Life can be hard to navigate sometimes.
@@stst77 yes...Also, cult leaders have certain personalities, and they are charming, but selfishly manipulative.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Why does it matter? "Ask not for whom the bell tolls......." what injures any life, injures the whole ethos of the planet.
God, I hate myself and beat myself up for days when I as much as shouted at one of my kids, or even worse lost temper and showed frustration or aggression on my face.
I can never understand how you could hit a child so it hurts. Most evil with a wooden stick. My mother beat me with a belt and cooking spoons until they broke. It effed me up forever. I would never do this to an innocent soul.
They dont.
I am trying to find grace in my heart for people caught up in these situations. I can't, for the life of me, understand staying in a place that expects you to beat your own children, or even worse, to allow other people to lay hands on them.
Actor Ben Feldman played a writer on Major Crimes. You look a little like him.
If you google, you will see 12 tribes have a lot of these delis with different names.
Andrew, you have the best interviews! I am addicted to your channel 😂❤
Wow, thank you! Hope you remain so!
Thank you Andrew and Tim. Much appreciated.
Wow, so you mean to say that they don’t offer gender reassignment to toddlers…….how disgusting 🤢
😂😂 all these "religions" are gonna have their own 144,000 soldiers all fighting each other, while Jesus comes back & picks up the chosen & those who chose Him.🤣🤣
According to biologists the boiling frog story is false. Changing location to regulate temperature is normal behavior.
Geez you people are everywhere. You never hit your child..hitting happens because someone is angry and you should never discipline your child angry. Kids should be concerned or fear consequences but they shouldn’t fear their parent. Nobody wants a mean daddy
Thanks for being this to my attention. Can’t believe this is happening in my backyard. Keep going Andrew
Cults are so dangerous. Steer clear.
Money making racket by Psychopaths. 😬😬😬😬
There's a tribe in my town in Vermont. Good food, nice soap.
Where have all the deprogrammers gone? Gone to jail everyone - when will they ever learn - when will they e v e r l e a r n!!!!
WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT FOR 6 YEARS-
NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT???
This is so sad. Parts of this reminds me of my childhood. Work, sleep deprivation, emotional, verbal & physical abuse. Also religious abuse being told you'll go to hell for not honering your parents. She wasn't in this cult, but instead on drugs but wow. Praying for all survivors. Jesus is love, this isn't love.
Who is SHE?
How do these cults get away with this? If you were not in a cult you would be in jail!!
One of my caregivers her mum was in a cult the j w
I hope this counts as a comment to help with the dreaded algorithm. 🌷
So this is the reason, why the justice System is working no where! Children and mothers are lost!
the early church living communally wasn't mandated by God. It was their own idea, and it didn't last that long for the most part.
Interview reckless Ben about the 12 tribes that dude got into their group in Colorado and California
My first thought was that when children become pregnant, the first pregnancy, especially without prenatal care and with a physically stressed 'mother', ends in miscarriage or stillbirth.
Do you wonder how through the ages, and even currently, babies survived childbirth without a pharma educated professional in a lab coat?
Astounding!
This is such a crazy story!! I cannot imagine being in such a situation.
Christians will use a shofar in worship because we recognise our judean heritage.
I am gobsmacked at how many intelligent individuals get "brainwashed" by these fundamental religious zealots! I am not religious but spiritual and can't fathom this type of control and WHY people submit to it. 😵💫😳
It's most simply all psychological trickery, based on the very basic mental needs of every human being: Foremost the longing 4 love, meaning and acceptance.
When someone is couching you to join something that’s too good to be true . That’s just what it is to good to be true .
Thank you for educating people who may not have understood about something like why people can be drawn into bad things when they are vulnerable. What I didn’t like hearing you do was, while making a good general point, dwell on women being victims of men, instead of talking about people abused by their partners. That perpetuates a dangerous stereotype, and plays into to lies, disinformation, and misinformation that are so prevalent in stopping men coming forward about their abuse by female partners, and also both women and men abused by their same-sex partners.
I think a lot of us have moments in life where we throw up our hands and just want someone to take over. Someone to make the decisions for a while. I can’t help but wonder if there’s a subconscious appeal to that for some people - albeit to an extreme in these cases.
Who wants others to take over their lives for them even for awhile. I didn't like my parents trying to run my life at 3 and 4 and 5 to 15 when I moved.
There is always prison and jail if you want someone else to tell you what to do.
@@chrystalblue7170 Yes, but others do like not always 2 decide by themselves. It is kind of a lazy habit as well, I guess.
Well I just googled them and they list specific countries, towns they are in and business that they run Thanks for your research and sharing it I had never heard of this group
Wanted to add a little something....Looking at the booklet as I'm listening and realized that on the cover of the booklet, it says, "Brand New Culture"= CULTure!!!! There's your sign LOL Thanks again for your brillant n bold content and well done videos!!
And it's like beating an abusive relationship it doesn't start out abusive it doesn't start getting abusive until you get into a certain time frame. Or mental state that they see and then they start their abuse and then you're too far into it and then you're ashamed that you fell for it. Yeah it's a romantic mental messed up situation and as a country. We're doing the same thing to ourselves in America with our mental health care and telling children that they can be all these different genders and then them demanding. They want to go to puberty blockers. And all the other stuff that basically renders them infertile and sterilized
Manipulation is a powerful tool! And I know a lot of the Scientologist’s stayed simply because they were too ashamed to leave, when they found out the truth. Then again you hear quite a bit of them saying they really believed they were helping the world. Then the fear of losing your family. There are so many different reason for, who what, and why. It’s incredibly sad. I know being brought up as a Christian. I felt as if, what harm is there? Until I lost my faith. I had read the Bible several tones, but only by book, by book. I had technically read the whole Bible. But when I lost my faith, I decided to pray every morning, so a daily devotional, and read the Bible. I was reading it in 90 days. And I stuck to it. I felt there was no way there wasn’t a God. I was so confused by the time I ended reading the Bible. And the knowledge I had learned along the way. Like that fact that the letter J didn’t even exist during the time of Jesus! So we aren’t even calling him the right name! And if you are technically going to translate his name to English, it’s Joshua…. Anyway, I know I still had experienced some major supernatural type experiences in my life. So I feel there has to be some type of higher power. And I pray I find that soon… To each his own, as long as you are not harming anyone. Do no harm, spread love, and compassion. Just us as individuals.