Note: Make sure your electricians are in on the plan for 5/8" drywall and know to space your outlet and switch boxes correctly. Otherwise you have to purchase a bunch of box extenders to make things right.
We did this on my friend's home but he used some type of sound deadening foam against the plywood between the joists, then two layers of insulation then two layers of 5'8". He can play his stereo as loud as he wants and his neighbors don't hear a thing. He loves it. The electrician was really annoyed however when he was informed of the plan because he had to work with the thicker walls in mind when he ran the new electric.
Can you explain your annoyed electrician comment in more detail? I'm designing a new build for myself, want 5/8" drywall, and would to better understand the repercussions.
@@DanNowlan We just did not inform the electrician about the added thickness so they had to get different stuff to run the wires and whatever else they had to do. If you have walls thicker than normal, would be better to give the electrician a heads up during the estimate,
With 55 years in drywall, my family agrees. But you need to pay the hangers about 10-15% more. It's the same number of cuts but 25% more weight. They're working significantly harder for every board installed. And it's the weight that limits a hangers absolute volume. A hanger throwing 5/8 around all week on a concrete floor is really an underpaid professional athlete.
How's it going bro. I've been hanging sheetrock rock for a minimal of 10 years. I'm 36 years old and it's rough on the body. I've hanged from quarter inch, half inch, 5/8s and 12x4 5/8s with 10x4 lead on the back for x-ray rooms. Drywall hangers are a dying breed. At least where I'm from
Be careful with that comment about $300. This was shot in 2009 and prices have risen on sheetrock since then, also this was not a large house at 2200 sf. Overall I find the upgrade to 5/8" Sheetrock to be totally worth the extra money. Best, Matt
wow this is a long long back video..........Matt you have been very consistent in you intructional videos for a long time and it helped a lot of trades men......thank you for all your hard work
@frankie2234 Yes, good call on the abuse factor. It has so many benefits, it's easy to justify the additional small bump in cost. BUT, remember to adjust your interior door jambs when you order them. The whole world assumes 1/2" sheetrock so you must specify door jambs for your extra 1/4" of wall thickness. (5/8"-1/2"=1/8" x 2= 1/4").
@HappyBeeb I've used a lot of drywall with non-paper backing. Densglass is a fiberglass backed product that works very well. If you're doing level 5 smooth you'll never tell the difference, but if you're doing a lower level of finish you can tell the face isn't as smooth. This is great for baths, or flood prone areas, basements, etc. For the main house, just control your moisture and use regular paper backed SR. I'm not well versed in Baubiologie, mainly IAQ issues. Matt
@@basketballsteve1 I'll be surprised if he answers....he left comment 11 years ago ...lol .id look up ..Kirk Giordano on youtube ,he does plastering and has been doing it for over 30 years If I'm not mistaken ...I feel he could answer anything having to so with this subject
Good idea using 5/8 throughout. In addition to doors needing custom jamb width, windows will too. But even with the need for wider jambs and additional cost, I'm a fan of 5/8 for all the reasons stated and sound attenuation.
Can't agree more. Especially if you accidently put some weight on it. 5/8" doesn't budge, but you can damage the 1/2". Coming from a big guy who has done it.
Tony, sorry for my late reply. There is probably not an upcharge for the jamb thickness. That's pretty standard on custom homes. There is an increase to fire resistance yes. Matt
Is the added cost worth it? Some of the added costs are mentioned below in the comments, e.g., added weight for drywall installers and positioning electrical boxes correctly, however, the biggest cost would be ordering custom size door jambs to accommodate the extra thickness of two 5/8" thick drywall sheets in the rough opening. Matt neglected to mention this and I suspect it could significantly add to the cost of the build not to mention the extra time it takes to receive custom order doors, with extended jambs, both interior and exterior.
5/8" is also much stronger, both against damage, and if you need to hang anything with drywall anchors. Just look at the load ratings for any drywall anchor, and you'll see they are significantly higher with 5/8" drywall. Also provides better fire safety
Have recently had 2 sheets installed. This must be the magic sheetrock because I have A lot of insulation before getting a pack hung. Took a huge burden off my shoulders eliminated the need for continuous heating surfing the winter and rarely hear the sound of traffic on the road
Hi, thanks for the video. I'm a new DIY, on a low vaulted ceiling with no insulation, 10'x16'. Can I install 10' 2x4 every 24'' and add 5/8 drywall or should I stick to 1/2 drywall to reduce sagging? thank you🙏
I have seen 1/4" thin drywall at Home Depot. It looks perfectly thin. I could just cover the old plaster wall without going over the baseboard molding. But i am not sure how people put screws in as they are so thin, or what kind of screw to use.
I'm considering sandwiching two layers of 5/8" Rock in an attempt to control noise on exterior walls. Currently I have thin wood paneling. How would my switch boxes, outlets, and Windows be affected? Thanks you!
carlorocky if you insulate your exterior walls with either foam or roxul mineral wool it will make a tremendous difference in heard noise. Fill all small crevices with spray foam or acoustic sealant. Before Sheetrock. Seal around bottom plate with acoustic sealant, and mount rock on resilient channel which decouples it from the studs. Makes a big difference. Use minimum screw penetrations.
I am replacing my drywall with a thicker than original 13mm vs 10mm. I assume the original casings will not be useable? As the door and window frames will be original width, will this mean I need to 'step' the back side of the casings in order to fit them with thicker drywall??
About 100lbs. You can definitely feel the difference hanging it. But every hanger would love to have 5/8 in his own house. Honestly, it feels about twice as rigid. My family has tile on walls 40 years old here in FL that are held together only by the studs and 5/8 rock. Everything else rotted away. It's ONLY 5/8 rock for this second generation hanger.
+DumpinMyGun IRC calls for 5/8" on 24" spaced ceiling joists if it's installed parallel with joists or if it's sprayed with water based texture or if it supports any insulation. Using absolute minimum standards in construction often results in a poor job that doesn't hold up well in the long run, which happens all too often in new construction by people trying to save a couple of bucks. I used the term "idiot", because you can't seem to communicate without using obscenities, which was confirmed in your reply. Have a good day.
+DumpinMyGun, I can just feel the intelligence emanating through your post. You give zero information to qualify your rant and can't go four words without cursing. And, you're wrong. Remind me to ask all my subcontractors what their UA-cam IDs are to be sure I don't get stuck with shoddy work.
This guy has never hung a board in his life! He says oh year I rather use 5/8 everywhere on ceilings too!! Lets go bud stand some 10 footers up By your self Lest see if you can hang!! Nothing less than 50 sheets! My record is 98 10 footers all hallway with a shit ton of doors. Just stand ups! It was already topped off! He should be saying "my guys" do this. lol I bet his hands are like a baby's butt lol
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ive watched so many of matts new videos. wild to think hes been doing this since i was in high school lmao hes legit one of the youtube OGs!
Note: Make sure your electricians are in on the plan for 5/8" drywall and know to space your outlet and switch boxes correctly. Otherwise you have to purchase a bunch of box extenders to make things right.
Stop crying and put some elbow grease you sissy electrician , drywaller and framer here
Or longer screws. It’s only 1/8”.
@@mikewiilliamswilliams6230😂👍
We did this on my friend's home but he used some type of sound deadening foam against the plywood between the joists, then two layers of insulation then two layers of 5'8". He can play his stereo as loud as he wants and his neighbors don't hear a thing. He loves it. The electrician was really annoyed however when he was informed of the plan because he had to work with the thicker walls in mind when he ran the new electric.
Can you explain your annoyed electrician comment in more detail? I'm designing a new build for myself, want 5/8" drywall, and would to better understand the repercussions.
@@DanNowlan We just did not inform the electrician about the added thickness so they had to get different stuff to run the wires and whatever else they had to do. If you have walls thicker than normal, would be better to give the electrician a heads up during the estimate,
Hey Matt,
Great video. You articulated the benefits of 5/8" over 1/2" really well! I love your videos!
With 55 years in drywall, my family agrees. But you need to pay the hangers about 10-15% more. It's the same number of cuts but 25% more weight. They're working significantly harder for every board installed. And it's the weight that limits a hangers absolute volume. A hanger throwing 5/8 around all week on a concrete floor is really an underpaid professional athlete.
I would just pay them the same then given them a bonus in the end in the amount I would have payed them. Psychologically it works better,
Real drywaller‘s hang it for the same price...
You must be a shoemaker
How's it going bro. I've been hanging sheetrock rock for a minimal of 10 years. I'm 36 years old and it's rough on the body. I've hanged from quarter inch, half inch, 5/8s and 12x4 5/8s with 10x4 lead on the back for x-ray rooms. Drywall hangers are a dying breed. At least where I'm from
Be careful with that comment about $300. This was shot in 2009 and prices have risen on sheetrock since then, also this was not a large house at 2200 sf. Overall I find the upgrade to 5/8" Sheetrock to be totally worth the extra money. Best, Matt
Doesn't count the hangers.
All good points, but for a home DIY-er like myself, another thing to consider is that 5/8" drywall is heavier than a burden of sin.
Lolol this is comedy gold
@@Markkramr haahhaha foreal though
wow this is a long long back video..........Matt you have been very consistent in you intructional videos for a long time and it helped a lot of trades men......thank you for all your hard work
@frankie2234 Yes, good call on the abuse factor. It has so many benefits, it's easy to justify the additional small bump in cost. BUT, remember to adjust your interior door jambs when you order them. The whole world assumes 1/2" sheetrock so you must specify door jambs for your extra 1/4" of wall thickness. (5/8"-1/2"=1/8" x 2= 1/4").
Hangers hate installing 5/8 but love to have it.
@HappyBeeb I've used a lot of drywall with non-paper backing. Densglass is a fiberglass backed product that works very well. If you're doing level 5 smooth you'll never tell the difference, but if you're doing a lower level of finish you can tell the face isn't as smooth. This is great for baths, or flood prone areas, basements, etc. For the main house, just control your moisture and use regular paper backed SR. I'm not well versed in Baubiologie, mainly IAQ issues. Matt
Would you recommend dens armor plus 5/8 or 1/2 dense armor plus?
16 inch on center studs.
@@basketballsteve1 I'll be surprised if he answers....he left comment 11 years ago ...lol
.id look up ..Kirk Giordano on youtube ,he does plastering and has been doing it for over 30 years If I'm not mistaken ...I feel he could answer anything having to so with this subject
Good idea using 5/8 throughout. In addition to doors needing custom jamb width, windows will too. But even with the need for wider jambs and additional cost, I'm a fan of 5/8 for all the reasons stated and sound attenuation.
Can't agree more. Especially if you accidently put some weight on it. 5/8" doesn't budge, but you can damage the 1/2". Coming from a big guy who has done it.
Great short & informative video. Thanks Matt!
Tony, sorry for my late reply. There is probably not an upcharge for the jamb thickness. That's pretty standard on custom homes. There is an increase to fire resistance yes. Matt
So. I would have to order custom jambs if I use 5/8? Can the trim guy make something happen ?
OMG this is hilarious to watch vs todays shows you do! but it also helped me lol Thanks!
Ooooh look I stumbled on some vintage risinger!!
Is the added cost worth it? Some of the added costs are mentioned below in the comments, e.g., added weight for drywall installers and positioning electrical boxes correctly, however, the biggest cost would be ordering custom size door jambs to accommodate the extra thickness of two 5/8" thick drywall sheets in the rough opening. Matt neglected to mention this and I suspect it could significantly add to the cost of the build not to mention the extra time it takes to receive custom order doors, with extended jambs, both interior and exterior.
I couldn't agree more. Well done video.
5/8" is also much stronger, both against damage, and if you need to hang anything with drywall anchors. Just look at the load ratings for any drywall anchor, and you'll see they are significantly higher with 5/8" drywall. Also provides better fire safety
Have recently had 2 sheets installed. This must be the magic sheetrock because I have A lot of insulation before getting a pack hung. Took a huge burden off my shoulders eliminated the need for continuous heating surfing the winter and rarely hear the sound of traffic on the road
Glad I watched this. I have some wavey walls that this can probably fix cheaper than adjusting them
I was curious about this statement in the video. If the drywall is cinched up against the misaligned studs, aren't you still going to have wavy walls?
@@DanNowlan yes. But it isn’t perfectly flexible and will decrease the waves with thicker drywall.
Not to mention 5/8" is fire rated to contain the spread of fire for up to 2 hours.
Not true 5/8 type x is only rated for 30 mins per layer. If you had a wall with 2 layers on both sides, THEN it’s a 2hr wall
@@BayAreaMCs Not true. 5/8 Type X has a fire rating of at least an hour per layer. 1/2 type is the one that is rated at 30 minutes.
When the fire is inside the wall nothing is going to make it more than 1 or 2 minutes unless drywall is inside the wall and on the top plate.
Holy youngster. OG video
Hi, thanks for the video. I'm a new DIY, on a low vaulted ceiling with no insulation, 10'x16'. Can I install 10' 2x4 every 24'' and add 5/8 drywall or should I stick to 1/2 drywall to reduce sagging? thank you🙏
Do any of the home improvement stores carry the wider jamb thickness or will I have to order them?
How about added costs for window and door jamb adjustments as most are standardized for 1/2" drywall?
Holy crap. Your so young in this video. 👍🏻
Visiting in 23. Just a thought about the two diff. Thicknesses. Look at that young Matt!
2024***! Muh bad
I’m from 2032. Bill Gates has k!lled all of humanity. No need for Sheetrock anymore. I built a Time Machine and left.
I have seen 1/4" thin drywall at Home Depot. It looks perfectly thin. I could just cover the old plaster wall without going over the baseboard molding. But i am not sure how people put screws in as they are so thin, or what kind of screw to use.
This is great information! Thank you for posting this
simple/to the point thumbs up
I'm considering sandwiching two layers of 5/8" Rock in an attempt to control noise on exterior walls. Currently I have thin wood paneling. How would my switch boxes, outlets, and Windows be affected? Thanks you!
carlorocky you would have to pull them out more and/or add extensions
carlorocky I did that with a viscous sound deadening goop in between in my buddies band practice room. amazing difference. ceilings matter too.
carlorocky if you insulate your exterior walls with either foam or roxul mineral wool it will make a tremendous difference in heard noise. Fill all small crevices with spray foam or acoustic sealant. Before Sheetrock. Seal around bottom plate with acoustic sealant, and mount rock on resilient channel which decouples it from the studs. Makes a big difference. Use minimum screw penetrations.
I see you use drywall on all your high end homes. Have you ever considered veneer plaster? are far superior product.
Wow just ran across this ancient vid! lol
5/8 inch is the law for ceilings. at least in MI
The factory that sent the sheetrock out how much are plus do they have
I am replacing my drywall with a thicker than original 13mm vs 10mm. I assume the original casings will not be useable? As the door and window frames will be original width, will this mean I need to 'step' the back side of the casings in order to fit them with thicker drywall??
allanpennington you'll have to rip the back of the casing down to allow the edge to lay on the jamb and wall or make extension jambs 1/8".
I call it self leveling 5/8 a much better choice than 1/2 in
Thank was heading to lowes got a thin wall and noise neighbor.
holy crap, only $300 more? heck yes I'd take the upgrade...I'll have to consider that when we redo our walls.
Hides framing, imperfections better… Sold. Because I have a lot of of them.
How much does a sheet of 4x12 5/8 weigh
About 100lbs. You can definitely feel the difference hanging it. But every hanger would love to have 5/8 in his own house. Honestly, it feels about twice as rigid. My family has tile on walls 40 years old here in FL that are held together only by the studs and 5/8 rock. Everything else rotted away. It's ONLY 5/8 rock for this second generation hanger.
5/8 light wight the future
Your hangers must hate you. "let's go 5/8 But only on the most dofficult part."
Your spelling teacher must hate you. Especially with built in spell checker assistance failure..
Hnagrse odtn spel nyahow.
he did not say much!
Fuck 5/8. You don't need all that. Not even on a 24" OC ceiling.
+DumpinMyGun Idiot
+DumpinMyGun IRC calls for 5/8" on 24" spaced ceiling joists if it's installed parallel with joists or if it's sprayed with water based texture or if it supports any insulation. Using absolute minimum standards in construction often results in a poor job that doesn't hold up well in the long run, which happens all too often in new construction by people trying to save a couple of bucks. I used the term "idiot", because you can't seem to communicate without using obscenities, which was confirmed in your reply. Have a good day.
Bob Smith
First off, fuck mouth, you used an obscenity as well... you fuck mouth.
And fuck what you think. 1/2 on 24 is just fine... you fuck mouth.
+DumpinMyGun you are such a loser, jesus.
+DumpinMyGun, I can just feel the intelligence emanating through your post. You give zero information to qualify your rant and can't go four words without cursing. And, you're wrong. Remind me to ask all my subcontractors what their UA-cam IDs are to be sure I don't get stuck with shoddy work.
This guy has never hung a board in his life! He says oh year I rather use 5/8 everywhere on ceilings too!! Lets go bud stand some 10 footers up By your self Lest see if you can hang!! Nothing less than 50 sheets! My record is 98 10 footers all hallway with a shit ton of doors. Just stand ups! It was already topped off! He should be saying "my guys" do this. lol I bet his hands are like a baby's butt lol