It’s so weird this game sits between Heavy Rain and Detroit where you can have multiple characters dies and this game where there’re almost no consequences
That scene at the bar always struck me as so bizarre and tone deaf, even when I was a kid and liked the game. It's just so...why? It reminds of the fanfiction trope of having random groups of guys trying to you-know-what the female MC because the writer doesn't understand how to create conflict. I guess DC is basically a fanfic-quality writer that gets paid, so it lines up.
I like how Cage says that whenever a play testers fails it’s the developer fault which is completely idiotic. It can be the developers fault if say that the play testers fail because it’s impossible to succeed or if the play testers dies to a glitch and maybe some other thing that I’m forgetting but the rest of the time when a play tester fails it’s because the play testers fault
The birthday party chapter and the bit where she does a guitar solo was so cringe and I felt embarrassed when my brother walked in on me while this was on
When I was younger, I praised its style and use of other options before my standards changed from style only to substance = style. Even during that time, I questioned why there were no consequences set on the teens after Jodie burned down the house when they started the whole thing.
I honestly really liked this game. I enjoyed it. The only thing I hated about it was the forced romance between Jodie Holmes and Ryan Clayton because I hated Ryan Clayton. He was so manipulative to Jodie. He never loved her or cared about her.
@@xenofongrigoriadis7547 I'm okay with this being a genre, but not every game works as a DC playable movie. Sometimes I prefer my video games to be video games.
Just watched the Heavy Rain video yesterday. And now I get this treat! Only 22 minutes in, but I gotta say that I love your content. Not only do you inspire me with how analytical you are, but you entertain me. You're also hilarious. That bit with the Jodie Yell made me wheeze. Can't wait to finish the rest of this tonight!
Yaaaaaaa! Indeed. Thanks for the kind words. I love essayist game reviewers like Joseph Anderson. But I can't be serious if you put a gun to my head. If I couldn't crack a dumb joke I would lose my noggin. Thanks for watching!
I have always thought that of Quantic Dream’s big three (the games most well known and popular), Beyond was easily the weakest. Heavy Rain is bad in a lot of ways, but there is a level of...”shlock” to it that I really enjoy and find entertaining enough (the voice acting, plot holes, etc). But Beyond...it just tried too hard for me. From simple things like the cinematic black bars to the famous actors, I always thought they were trying too hard to make a movie. I didn’t dig most of the side characters due to their lack of screentime in the story, the choices didn’t matter for the most part and there’s that weird apocalypse cliffhanger thing that feels very out of place knowing that Quantic Dream basically never makes sequels. The timeline in-game just feels like a mess and the game just feels like a ton of random disconnected events put together. The more I look back at this game, the more I grow disdain for it 💀 I do feel like Detroit Become Human however was a sign of improvement from Quantic and Mr. Cage, despite some issues (*cough* the reveal on the truth of a certain little girl *cough*) I liked the world they put the player in there and the satisfaction in endings and multitude of paths to take in the story that don’t just result from “hey you missed a quick time event, now this bad thing will happen” but rather from actual choices. Looking forward to your deep dive on that game, and I enjoyed this video!
Your strange love/hate relationship with DC never ceases to make me grin like a child, if not cackle like a witch (and that may or may not have happened multiple times while viewing this).
It's the most frustrating thing about going through his games. He has some genuine interesting ideas that are bogged down by so much bullshit. His whole style is like a mosh pit at an art gallery.
@@ScottsGameAsylum Beautifully said. Hopefully Detroit is more enjoyable for you, while it also has some issues, I have no qualms saying it's shockingly good compared to the liked of Beyond and Heavy Rain.
That intro with the sledgehammer looks like the hype package for your now inevitable David Cage boxing match 😂. All jokes aside this video is genuinely excellent, don't tend to rewatch videos like these but already on the 2nd go!
Another great video, I played this game when I was 10 years old and I remember thinking it was really good at the time, although before watching this video I couldn’t remember a single fucking thing that happened within the game. I feel like this game is easily the most forgettable out of all the David Cage games.
I can see why it would appeal to kids/teenagers as it does have a very Young Adult feel in terms of themes. But like most of DC's stories. It falls apart when you give it an ounce of thought
Because you were a litteral child playing the game. Children are easy to tell stories to. Much like how when we re-watch our old childhood favorite movies, they might just suck.
Omg I can't believe I'm a week late to this and an hour long video Sir you spoil us, proper excited to watch this start to finish it was worth the wait
To be fair to David cage, America getting rid of a democratic secular leader to destabilize a country is definitely a classic American move and true to history
12:57 I got nostalgic when the silent hill 2 music started to play......knowing that team silent is long gone and we will never get another game made by them.
"Elliot Page" ahh...there it is, my heart practically breathed a sigh of relief. I can only imagine how awful this particular part of his carrier is to look back on, having to work with a creep like David Cage, so it's just. Nice to hear that simple, easily expressed respect for his autonomy and humanity in a review about this awful, awful game. I realize most people who reviewed it at the time did not know, granted, but still.
His transition happened when I was in pre production of this video, and while I can lambast people for there creative shortcomings. Page deserved a medal for being a pro in this shite.
Probably the worst David Cage game. It fails at both the gameplay and story department. When it comes to gameplay...what fucking gameplay exactly? The whole game is taken on a linear path without any consequences of your actions. The game has no fail state nor game over. None of the choices matter. The gameplay can be pretty much prescribed as Simon Says the interactive movie. The story is downright baffling with the amount of stupidity. It's one of the most convoluted, jarring, pace breaking stories ever written for a game that is supposed to be considered as a serious work of art. How the fuck did Cage convince the A-list actors to be a part of this shit piece and how did they manage to pull it off with their performances with a straight face? Did they even read the script before taking the part?
although what they can do as a production team is incredible I think it would be valid to give some criticisms of their game design especially Beyond: Two Souls seeing as you can't really fail and there are essentially no consequences for your actions
Let me put it this way, name one single choice in this game that actually mattered. One single action that actually changed something important in the story. Then compare that to Heavy Rain or Detroit Become Human. This is easily the worst of the three games.
Something I find interesting is how forgotten this game is. I still find new comments on heavy rain playthroughs however all the beyond two souls playthroughs are from around the time the games release. There were some new ones however they weren't talking about the game, no no no they were talking about the recent news.
8:10 the creep that pulled a gun on Maddison and forced her to strip..... Now he's a cop I guess. 10:00 in order is so much better than random events because if she's angry in a chapter, the player doesn't feel her anger let alone side with her anger. But it doesn't mean the game is any better in order, just understandable.
Holy shit man, 1 hour, I am literally going brazy rn. I’m definitely keeping an eye on you after this and your heavy rain vid. I have to admit I actually liked the game during my first playthrough and I still think the premise is actually not bad. But upon closer inspection it’s clear that this is flawed and just one hot mess. Great video, thx :)
That's the thing with most of the Cageography. On a surface level they are attractive games. They look good, they sound good and they have that big budget gloss. However, when you get past that honeymoon period and start connecting the dots. Weird shit starts to happen.
What an absolutely fantastic review. Your analysis on Hideo Kojima hit the nail right on the head for me. David Cage is a garbage story teller but a good ideas man. That would be fine if he didn't consistently try to push the envelope on actual topics without improving his overall writing and keeping the things that made his previous games entertaining. By the way, if you want a game that has an awesome story and cast of characters and does the whole ghost possessing thing, then I'd totally recommend Ghost Trick Phantom Detective. It's produced by the same guy who made the Ace Attorney games and is made with an eight of the budget, but comes out being more charming and thought provoking than any of these game's ever could.
@@ScottsGameAsylum I'm sure it was. To be honest, I think the fact that you had to go back and rewrite or add things to your script shows how diligent you've become as a writer though. You managed to take the range of emotions and filter them into something informative and entertaining.
I just noticed something. Even though I never played the game, there was something in the Navajo chapter that got me wondering. After Jodie went to the room, as she was changing her clothes, she was wearing underwear underneath it. But, after Jodie went to the other side of the barn, before taking a shower there, she took her clothes off, showing that she was not wearing underwear underneath one of the clothes that Cory wear. Which explains why there were no undies on the clothes laying there on the floor. Continuity error, perhaps? My guess is, that there were a deleted scene that was cut out from the game, where after Jodie is in Cory's room, she start taking off her clothes to change, showing that she is not wearing underwear. After she changed in one of Cory's clothes, a Navajo spirit was standing behind her, but Jodie turned around and see that it's not there. I'm just brainstorming here, nothing else.
For me I am confused as to why didn't Aiden heal her in the Homeless chapter after she got out of that building. Why didn't he protect her from those guys who put the place on fire? Even if she didn't see them he should have and could have easily disarmed them, or pushed them, or better yet CREATE A DAMN SHIELD AROUND HER. Can he deflect bullets but not bats?
@@ScottsGameAsylum One thing which I also find very fucking stupid is that they literally make you choose the ending, instead of it being a result of the player's actions. That is such a terrible game design. Not only you make an interactive story game where choices don't matter until the very end, but you also kill any kind of replayability the game could have had
@@akaiyoru2681Turns out, there is a lua mod for Beyond: Two Souls, where you can enable anything in this game, especially that one scene in the Navajo chapter.
DCs writing feels like he's never talked to a human being in his life. This is the biggest flaw of a lot of studios, writers who have NO life experience and no social skills. While I do disagree with a lot of your analysis, I think the game had some VERY enjoyable moments, but a good 60-70% of it is trash. I'm not one to get offended on the behalf of others, but seeing how poorly this game portrays people is so utterly cringe it confuses me how this game got ANY praise. I really had to force myself to finish this game and in the end I deeply regret ever starting it. Especially after having just finished the Last of Us and massively enjoying the story in that. I was too desperate for another good story. Hopefully Control will be better. Oh, and it's funny you bring up Hideo Kojima. When I was getting to the end of this game I had a weird thought, I was thinking that Death Stranding and this have TOO much in common and wonder if HK got ideas from BTS. It's almost like it's some kind of sequel, like if the game had a bad ending where the apocalypse actually happened. It is too much of a coincidence that the monsters in this and DS are both sea-like creatures? Also, BTS... BTs? Another coincidence? The umbilical cords...
This game resonated a lot with me when it first came out. For some reason I related a lot to Jodie and I also enjoyed the bombastic nature of the action setpieces. I played it again a few years after and still got some enjoyment out of it because of nostalgia. I admittedly missed a lot of the problems that you have with it. However, a lot of this can easily be explained by the fact I was 14 and had no idea who David Cage was and so the problematic elements did not come across that way entirely. Death of the author was able to fully work because I didn't have the preconceived notion of what the creator of the narrative was actually like. Kind of like how people were able to enjoy Harry Potter without noticing the problematic elements, but as Rowling revealed more and more of her opinions on things, the problematic elements seemed obvious. I think being too young to know what white saviour stories were or have an awareness of just how taboo SA and Suicide are in all narratives. In the last few years now I'm an adult, I see the problems with the game and also understand just how awful David Cage is. I still like the potential that a character like Jodie could have and a story like this, following a child touched by the supernatural having to live without agency to keep herself and others safe, and I despise the fact that Cage's utter incompetence ruined it. I watched your Heavy Rain video before this and your alternate idea for that game's plot of Ethan going to prison and then hiring the other two main characters for help sounded excellent and your suggestions for how things could be different here also sounded great. I think it shows that Cage has some interesting ideas, ideas that with refinement could create something compelling and emotional, but the man himself lacks the talent necessary to able to utilise that potential. I think Beyond Two Souls is a 'game' of interesting, and at times emotional (for me because I'm a useless softie), moments and vignettes, but as a cohesive narrative, nothing really works.
Yeah I touched on this lightly in the video, it play's heavyly into a teenage mindset with its theming. But like most things that do, if you don't have any Nostalgia or you grow out of it. The cracks start to show.
Personally, the topic of suicide has accompanied me for quite some time and while the executions in these games can definitely be clunky, the homeless chapter is my personal favorite. I don’t think her optional suicide attempts are there to glorify death or dying, neither is the option to choose to go into the beyond in the end. I’m glad they put them in there, even if they might make some people uncomfortable because they can serve as amplifiers when it comes to showing her mental state. The downside here is that these things should come from the story itself and not from a missable QTE. Depending on how you as player feel, choosing the beyond in the end might just be the most fitting ending for Jodie. After all, having to choose the alternative might just be considered “glorifying life”, which isn’t self-evidently the better option.
The part that made me instantly dislike this game is during the hobo chapter, where she wont use her powets to hack an ATM because "she isnt a thief" i mean she was trained and brainwashed to become a CIA assassin, but stealing some fiat currency based on the petrodollar that she helped sustain is just to much? Killing ok but using skills to survive is to much? Worst spook ever
You can hack the atm and get money out of it though that's the first thing I did,and then when you return with the money the hobo guy is the one that has an issue with it being stolen
David Cage's storytelling style calls to mind a bit Jack Nicholson said in "As Good As It Gets": His character is asked how he writes women so well, and the response he gives fits Cage to a tee. "I think of a man, then I remove logic and accountability." Substitute the word 'man' for 'good writer' and that's our DC!
Part of me wonders if David Cage hired Elliot Page becuase Page sounds like Cage? Great video, I think you're right but I do absolutely love this game 🤣
Also just realising I don't think you referenced the fact that he kept a scrapbook of picture of Page all throughout their life & the fact that her whole body was designed including private areas which go exploited in a shower scene with a no clip glitch. Irresponsible.
I'm still impressed how this was made on the ps3. It was definitely a very powerful console. Imagine if the PS4 used its own upgraded cell processor. Also I use an Xbox one s.
Ah shit man, hang on. I was gonna watch this but I'd better go ahead a play through.....the game......first.....HAHAHHAAHA. That's classic, baby! Classic bit done great! Lol. play the game.....Two Souls?! More like Uwe Boll.
Beyond too bad is what happens when you put a guy who should do additional writing(at best) in charge of a studio, and give him a big budget. P. S. I think I finally understand why so many women think less men should be writers.
@@ScottsGameAsylumI liked the parts about them handling sensitive topics and when you were the discussing the game in a serious manner tho. Made me watch it through
@@JulesNekro So to paraphrase, "I thought you made a bad video that I watched all the way through, and took away nothing...but I'll make a brain dead comment anyway." 🤦🏻♂️
hello everyone I played the game “Beyond: Two Souls” and it made a huge impression on me that is, I liked him very, very much i went from start to finish of the game The game is very good, everything is live i.e. it looks real. As for the protagonist, "JUDI" is a very wonderful, hard-working, carefree, kind, good warrior. If this channel has a good relationship with the creators of the song and the game, thank you very much Yes, if the creators of this game have come up with a new game, please let me know. Thank you in advance by the way i am from uzbekistan
@@xsamaxgamer8691 Aside from the trite story, asinine characters, inane dialogue, and racism? Yeah, can't imagine why anyone would dislike this 'masterpiece'.🙄
To say it's beyond bad is an exaggeration, I didn't bother to watch your full video as you didn't start right away with what is bad about it. I don't know anything about it being bad, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
@@ScottsGameAsylum If I have to guess, you're either a PC gamer, or maybe you have some political issue with this game or with its' creator. Usually, those who don't like things because of some political cause have a low IQ.
Ahh yes, all those numskulls in our country's halls of power are all idiots because they happened to be interested in politics. Well, for the dumbest comment in part one, you are certainly hitting more dingers! I will sleep content that when I wake, there will be another cold cut of "critical analysis" gracing my comment section from that special mind. I look forward to another slab of wisdom. Love Scott xxx
The most believable part of this game is when Nathan sent Jody to a teen birthday party with an Edgar Allen Poe anthology as a present. Is it any wonder they all turned on her and tried to locked her in the cupboard under the stairs? 🤦😂 Yeah this game was nothing short of prolonged punishment, and personally a betrayal of trust that Cage had earned from the likes of me in Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain, which both indicated that QD were on the right track. Thank God for Detroit 🤖🦾
It’s so weird this game sits between Heavy Rain and Detroit where you can have multiple characters dies and this game where there’re almost no consequences
Man would I love to be a fly on the wall if Clancy Brown, Elliot Page and Bryan Dechart ever have a group therapy session talking about David Cage.
Lol
"How do you approach writing a teenage girl?"
"I've been trying to figure out death and the afterlife."
Dude cracked me up.
I mean teenage goth kids who like the paranormal exist so they actually makes sense
"I never asked to be different"
Shes wearing an entire hot topic on her and saying that give me a break
Elliot is so professional. I would have been out the moment I learned that the writer had ALREADY MADE A NUDE MODEL OF ME.
@@alonfan-lg2iu As opposed to a female who isn't biological? 🤡
I wonder if he looks back on this game to see how he used look like and compare his progress in his transition
That scene at the bar always struck me as so bizarre and tone deaf, even when I was a kid and liked the game. It's just so...why? It reminds of the fanfiction trope of having random groups of guys trying to you-know-what the female MC because the writer doesn't understand how to create conflict. I guess DC is basically a fanfic-quality writer that gets paid, so it lines up.
Alice madness returns is a good example of handling a very touchy subject very well.
And it has actual gameplay.
OG Alice is also a masterpiece
@@SkilletTRO I have to try that one
Brilliant game
I like how Cage says that whenever a play testers fails it’s the developer fault which is completely idiotic. It can be the developers fault if say that the play testers fail because it’s impossible to succeed or if the play testers dies to a glitch and maybe some other thing that I’m forgetting but the rest of the time when a play tester fails it’s because the play testers fault
The birthday party chapter and the bit where she does a guitar solo was so cringe and I felt embarrassed when my brother walked in on me while this was on
Ohhhh damn it's pretty cringe I remember now
When I was younger, I praised its style and use of other options before my standards changed from style only to substance = style.
Even during that time, I questioned why there were no consequences set on the teens after Jodie burned down the house when they started the whole thing.
I honestly really liked this game. I enjoyed it. The only thing I hated about it was the forced romance between Jodie Holmes and Ryan Clayton because I hated Ryan Clayton. He was so manipulative to Jodie. He never loved her or cared about her.
I liked it too. Maybe because I look for exactly this in games: blurring the line between game and a movie. I kind of think, this is the future.
@@xenofongrigoriadis7547 I'm okay with this being a genre, but not every game works as a DC playable movie. Sometimes I prefer my video games to be video games.
I mean In the end if she dies he’s very distraught over it and seemed to go into the depression
@@Shaughn21 I don’t give a fuck. He still manipulated her and used her for her powers. He never loved her or cared about her.
The only way you can like these games is if you're fucking retarded lol
Just watched the Heavy Rain video yesterday. And now I get this treat! Only 22 minutes in, but I gotta say that I love your content. Not only do you inspire me with how analytical you are, but you entertain me. You're also hilarious. That bit with the Jodie Yell made me wheeze. Can't wait to finish the rest of this tonight!
Yaaaaaaa! Indeed. Thanks for the kind words. I love essayist game reviewers like Joseph Anderson. But I can't be serious if you put a gun to my head. If I couldn't crack a dumb joke I would lose my noggin.
Thanks for watching!
I have always thought that of Quantic Dream’s big three (the games most well known and popular), Beyond was easily the weakest. Heavy Rain is bad in a lot of ways, but there is a level of...”shlock” to it that I really enjoy and find entertaining enough (the voice acting, plot holes, etc). But Beyond...it just tried too hard for me. From simple things like the cinematic black bars to the famous actors, I always thought they were trying too hard to make a movie. I didn’t dig most of the side characters due to their lack of screentime in the story, the choices didn’t matter for the most part and there’s that weird apocalypse cliffhanger thing that feels very out of place knowing that Quantic Dream basically never makes sequels. The timeline in-game just feels like a mess and the game just feels like a ton of random disconnected events put together. The more I look back at this game, the more I grow disdain for it 💀
I do feel like Detroit Become Human however was a sign of improvement from Quantic and Mr. Cage, despite some issues (*cough* the reveal on the truth of a certain little girl *cough*) I liked the world they put the player in there and the satisfaction in endings and multitude of paths to take in the story that don’t just result from “hey you missed a quick time event, now this bad thing will happen” but rather from actual choices. Looking forward to your deep dive on that game, and I enjoyed this video!
I watch this video daily for "Beyond: Wordy Wordy Wank Wank" and "Fuck-Up: The Line". Those lines always kill me. Good shit.
And also "Saying this games title is like a bukkake party for the vocal chords."
With Scott, Christmas comes early...
Lol shall I call this the Xmas special and call it a day?
Thanks for watching!
Your strange love/hate relationship with DC never ceases to make me grin like a child, if not cackle like a witch (and that may or may not have happened multiple times while viewing this).
It's the most frustrating thing about going through his games. He has some genuine interesting ideas that are bogged down by so much bullshit. His whole style is like a mosh pit at an art gallery.
@@ScottsGameAsylum Beautifully said. Hopefully Detroit is more enjoyable for you, while it also has some issues, I have no qualms saying it's shockingly good compared to the liked of Beyond and Heavy Rain.
Oh dear.
That intro with the sledgehammer looks like the hype package for your now inevitable David Cage boxing match 😂. All jokes aside this video is genuinely excellent, don't tend to rewatch videos like these but already on the 2nd go!
lol and he would probably beat me like Uwe Boll.
Another great video, I played this game when I was 10 years old and I remember thinking it was really good at the time, although before watching this video I couldn’t remember a single fucking thing that happened within the game. I feel like this game is easily the most forgettable out of all the David Cage games.
I can see why it would appeal to kids/teenagers as it does have a very Young Adult feel in terms of themes. But like most of DC's stories. It falls apart when you give it an ounce of thought
Because you were a litteral child playing the game. Children are easy to tell stories to. Much like how when we re-watch our old childhood favorite movies, they might just suck.
Y’all wouldn’t know great game if it fell into your lap ya dumb as fuck
Same
Omg I can't believe I'm a week late to this and an hour long video Sir you spoil us, proper excited to watch this start to finish it was worth the wait
Thanks mate.
20:23
Lol how is this not a meme
This voice acting
To be fair to David cage, America getting rid of a democratic secular leader to destabilize a country is definitely a classic American move and true to history
Excellent video mate, very well made and presented - impressed!
Hey Al! Im glad you liked it.
12:57 I got nostalgic when the silent hill 2 music started to play......knowing that team silent is long gone and we will never get another game made by them.
So sad
@@schmitzss1 there is a Silent Hill 2 remake being made and I will give it a try but the magic of team silent cannot be remade by anyone
"Elliot Page" ahh...there it is, my heart practically breathed a sigh of relief. I can only imagine how awful this particular part of his carrier is to look back on, having to work with a creep like David Cage, so it's just. Nice to hear that simple, easily expressed respect for his autonomy and humanity in a review about this awful, awful game. I realize most people who reviewed it at the time did not know, granted, but still.
His transition happened when I was in pre production of this video, and while I can lambast people for there creative shortcomings. Page deserved a medal for being a pro in this shite.
Probably the worst David Cage game. It fails at both the gameplay and story department. When it comes to gameplay...what fucking gameplay exactly? The whole game is taken on a linear path without any consequences of your actions. The game has no fail state nor game over. None of the choices matter. The gameplay can be pretty much prescribed as Simon Says the interactive movie. The story is downright baffling with the amount of stupidity. It's one of the most convoluted, jarring, pace breaking stories ever written for a game that is supposed to be considered as a serious work of art. How the fuck did Cage convince the A-list actors to be a part of this shit piece and how did they manage to pull it off with their performances with a straight face? Did they even read the script before taking the part?
Just subbed. Hope you keep uploading cause your content is great and I'm binge watching it. Keep it up and you'll be at 100k before you know it.
Thanks. Detroit is in the oven and it will be burnt and crispy by the end of next week.
although what they can do as a production team is incredible I think it would be valid to give some criticisms of their game design especially Beyond: Two Souls seeing as you can't really fail and there are essentially no consequences for your actions
Let me put it this way, name one single choice in this game that actually mattered. One single action that actually changed something important in the story. Then compare that to Heavy Rain or Detroit Become Human. This is easily the worst of the three games.
Something I find interesting is how forgotten this game is. I still find new comments on heavy rain playthroughs however all the beyond two souls playthroughs are from around the time the games release. There were some new ones however they weren't talking about the game, no no no they were talking about the recent news.
It's like people are ashamed of this game huh?
That scream though...
The roar!
@@ScottsGameAsylum It was even more of a roar than I thought.
David Cage doesn't know how America works, and he doesn't know how to write Americans either.
Your channel is underrated mate. High quality vids
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SIDEBAR / in chap 3. The re working of 'Forgot About Dre' you used is crazy and I've never heard that before
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Well Scott, you are marble on youtube. Love this content
I appreciate that!
Damn… what a nice video! 10/10
Such a good deep dive. Your tone is so good, dude. Also I feel any brown sauce reference is just for me :-D
Mostly. Brown sauce is king
8:10 the creep that pulled a gun on Maddison and forced her to strip..... Now he's a cop I guess.
10:00 in order is so much better than random events because if she's angry in a chapter, the player doesn't feel her anger let alone side with her anger. But it doesn't mean the game is any better in order, just understandable.
Holy shit man, 1 hour, I am literally going brazy rn. I’m definitely keeping an eye on you after this and your heavy rain vid.
I have to admit I actually liked the game during my first playthrough and I still think the premise is actually not bad. But upon closer inspection it’s clear that this is flawed and just one hot mess.
Great video, thx :)
That's the thing with most of the Cageography. On a surface level they are attractive games. They look good, they sound good and they have that big budget gloss.
However, when you get past that honeymoon period and start connecting the dots. Weird shit starts to happen.
0:01 WHOAH DAYAM LOOK AT THOSE TINY HANDS. "TAKE MY STRONG HAND" INDEED!
I guess that's what years of typing with one hand will do to a person!
The methadone wing dings joke👌
Great video, what song did you use in the background at 36:15 ? Does anybody know? 👀
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@@ScottsGameAsylum Bless you man
What an absolutely fantastic review. Your analysis on Hideo Kojima hit the nail right on the head for me. David Cage is a garbage story teller but a good ideas man. That would be fine if he didn't consistently try to push the envelope on actual topics without improving his overall writing and keeping the things that made his previous games entertaining.
By the way, if you want a game that has an awesome story and cast of characters and does the whole ghost possessing thing, then I'd totally recommend Ghost Trick Phantom Detective. It's produced by the same guy who made the Ace Attorney games and is made with an eight of the budget, but comes out being more charming and thought provoking than any of these game's ever could.
Thanks mate. This video was a rollercoaster of emotions. And thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a look
@@ScottsGameAsylum I'm sure it was. To be honest, I think the fact that you had to go back and rewrite or add things to your script shows how diligent you've become as a writer though. You managed to take the range of emotions and filter them into something informative and entertaining.
Lol yeah, if only I had a multi million dollar game studio... Nah.
@@ScottsGameAsylum I guess you never know? Maybe game reviews will do for now haha.
I wouldn't even exactly say he's a good idea guy.
You def need many more views
Thanks. Feel free to share it!
I just noticed something. Even though I never played the game, there was something in the Navajo chapter that got me wondering. After Jodie went to the room, as she was changing her clothes, she was wearing underwear underneath it. But, after Jodie went to the other side of the barn, before taking a shower there, she took her clothes off, showing that she was not wearing underwear underneath one of the clothes that Cory wear. Which explains why there were no undies on the clothes laying there on the floor. Continuity error, perhaps? My guess is, that there were a deleted scene that was cut out from the game, where after Jodie is in Cory's room, she start taking off her clothes to change, showing that she is not wearing underwear. After she changed in one of Cory's clothes, a Navajo spirit was standing behind her, but Jodie turned around and see that it's not there. I'm just brainstorming here, nothing else.
For me I am confused as to why didn't Aiden heal her in the Homeless chapter after she got out of that building. Why didn't he protect her from those guys who put the place on fire? Even if she didn't see them he should have and could have easily disarmed them, or pushed them, or better yet CREATE A DAMN SHIELD AROUND HER. Can he deflect bullets but not bats?
Contrived storytelling is the ultimate deflector of all damage.
@@ScottsGameAsylum One thing which I also find very fucking stupid is that they literally make you choose the ending, instead of it being a result of the player's actions.
That is such a terrible game design. Not only you make an interactive story game where choices don't matter until the very end, but you also kill any kind of replayability the game could have had
@@akaiyoru2681Turns out, there is a lua mod for Beyond: Two Souls, where you can enable anything in this game, especially that one scene in the Navajo chapter.
DCs writing feels like he's never talked to a human being in his life. This is the biggest flaw of a lot of studios, writers who have NO life experience and no social skills. While I do disagree with a lot of your analysis, I think the game had some VERY enjoyable moments, but a good 60-70% of it is trash. I'm not one to get offended on the behalf of others, but seeing how poorly this game portrays people is so utterly cringe it confuses me how this game got ANY praise.
I really had to force myself to finish this game and in the end I deeply regret ever starting it. Especially after having just finished the Last of Us and massively enjoying the story in that. I was too desperate for another good story. Hopefully Control will be better.
Oh, and it's funny you bring up Hideo Kojima. When I was getting to the end of this game I had a weird thought, I was thinking that Death Stranding and this have TOO much in common and wonder if HK got ideas from BTS. It's almost like it's some kind of sequel, like if the game had a bad ending where the apocalypse actually happened. It is too much of a coincidence that the monsters in this and DS are both sea-like creatures? Also, BTS... BTs? Another coincidence? The umbilical cords...
This should’ve been released as a tv show it’s not enjoyable in a video game format . Too many cutscenes and not enough gameplay to bite on
I want to kiss any youtuber who puts Deus Ex music in their videos.
well, pucker up buttercup!
i think the song you used in the intro segment unlocked a hidden core memory 🤮
Man, who's hungry for chocolate moose? 🤣
I was hoping you would get to this scene lolol I died at this scene and heavy rain is waaaaaaaaaay worse
20:22
waiting for your Detroit video.
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In about 2 weeks
good viddy :^)
Thanks neon dad!
I actually stopped playing during the war sequence. It was so mechanically broken and obnoxious i couldn’t finish it.
43:45 Well it's called Quantic Dreams and not Qualtic Dreams for a reason, isn't it?
Did that sound funnier in your head before you typed it?
@@ScottsGameAsylum It still sounds hillarious in my head.
@@Salabar_Nah I chuckled I'll be honest
This game resonated a lot with me when it first came out. For some reason I related a lot to Jodie and I also enjoyed the bombastic nature of the action setpieces. I played it again a few years after and still got some enjoyment out of it because of nostalgia. I admittedly missed a lot of the problems that you have with it. However, a lot of this can easily be explained by the fact I was 14 and had no idea who David Cage was and so the problematic elements did not come across that way entirely. Death of the author was able to fully work because I didn't have the preconceived notion of what the creator of the narrative was actually like. Kind of like how people were able to enjoy Harry Potter without noticing the problematic elements, but as Rowling revealed more and more of her opinions on things, the problematic elements seemed obvious. I think being too young to know what white saviour stories were or have an awareness of just how taboo SA and Suicide are in all narratives. In the last few years now I'm an adult, I see the problems with the game and also understand just how awful David Cage is. I still like the potential that a character like Jodie could have and a story like this, following a child touched by the supernatural having to live without agency to keep herself and others safe, and I despise the fact that Cage's utter incompetence ruined it.
I watched your Heavy Rain video before this and your alternate idea for that game's plot of Ethan going to prison and then hiring the other two main characters for help sounded excellent and your suggestions for how things could be different here also sounded great. I think it shows that Cage has some interesting ideas, ideas that with refinement could create something compelling and emotional, but the man himself lacks the talent necessary to able to utilise that potential.
I think Beyond Two Souls is a 'game' of interesting, and at times emotional (for me because I'm a useless softie), moments and vignettes, but as a cohesive narrative, nothing really works.
Yeah I touched on this lightly in the video, it play's heavyly into a teenage mindset with its theming. But like most things that do, if you don't have any Nostalgia or you grow out of it. The cracks start to show.
If you like self aware games you’ll like Doki Doki Literature Club.
I did do a video on it a few years ago that had been deleted. It's an interesting game
Personally, the topic of suicide has accompanied me for quite some time and while the executions in these games can definitely be clunky, the homeless chapter is my personal favorite. I don’t think her optional suicide attempts are there to glorify death or dying, neither is the option to choose to go into the beyond in the end. I’m glad they put them in there, even if they might make some people uncomfortable because they can serve as amplifiers when it comes to showing her mental state. The downside here is that these things should come from the story itself and not from a missable QTE. Depending on how you as player feel, choosing the beyond in the end might just be the most fitting ending for Jodie. After all, having to choose the alternative might just be considered “glorifying life”, which isn’t self-evidently the better option.
The part that made me instantly dislike this game is during the hobo chapter, where she wont use her powets to hack an ATM because "she isnt a thief" i mean she was trained and brainwashed to become a CIA assassin, but stealing some fiat currency based on the petrodollar that she helped sustain is just to much? Killing ok but using skills to survive is to much?
Worst spook ever
You can hack the atm and get money out of it though that's the first thing I did,and then when you return with the money the hobo guy is the one that has an issue with it being stolen
18:40 nice last of us theme
p much the first time ive heard anyone try to delve into this game instead of just playing it, thank you
now do omikron lol
nooooooooo! well, not yet anyway
I love the movie-game genre. I love to play it alone or with a friend on the couch. I wish there were more such games.
u guys try out those god of war reboots?
David Cage's storytelling style calls to mind a bit Jack Nicholson said in "As Good As It Gets": His character is asked how he writes women so well, and the response he gives fits Cage to a tee. "I think of a man, then I remove logic and accountability." Substitute the word 'man' for 'good writer' and that's our DC!
this is possibly my least favorite game ever
Ditto
This game seems too gloomy but I guess that's just any quantic dream game
David Cage co-directed The room
Nah
nice game
thank you for talking about the SA and self harm scenes on the game
Part of me wonders if David Cage hired Elliot Page becuase Page sounds like Cage?
Great video, I think you're right but I do absolutely love this game 🤣
Also just realising I don't think you referenced the fact that he kept a scrapbook of picture of Page all throughout their life & the fact that her whole body was designed including private areas which go exploited in a shower scene with a no clip glitch. Irresponsible.
Yeah that was cut for time. It's still fucking gross.
@@ScottsGameAsylum agreed man, I don't know if I asked but are you working on a Detroit or Omikron video?
Detroit
Nathan’s family screaming for help as a metaphor for the people who have to play the game killed me 😭
Artistically awful is the perfect description of David Cage's work as an auteur.
The Tommy Wiseau of video games.
I'm still impressed how this was made on the ps3. It was definitely a very powerful console. Imagine if the PS4 used its own upgraded cell processor. Also I use an Xbox one s.
Ah shit man, hang on. I was gonna watch this but I'd better go ahead a play through.....the game......first.....HAHAHHAAHA.
That's classic, baby! Classic bit done great! Lol. play the game.....Two Souls?! More like Uwe Boll.
😅 LOL that was a very entertaining review, thank you broh
Glad you enjoyed it
Aaahh!
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Indeed
unrelated to the actual quality of the game but i bet it would be so freaking fun to be apart of one of these games😭
RIAN JOHNSON BASCICALLY
Aaahhh!
Ah yes, two pitches to potencialy interesting games that were made as one game with shit writing.
Beyond too bad is what happens when you put a guy who should do additional writing(at best) in charge of a studio, and give him a big budget.
P. S. I think I finally understand why so many women think less men should be writers.
The nostalgia critic of games, the humor and the forced laughing was almost as cringe as the game's writing
And yet you still watched, thanks for the interaction ya dingus!
@@ScottsGameAsylumI liked the parts about them handling sensitive topics and when you were the discussing the game in a serious manner tho. Made me watch it through
@@JulesNekro So to paraphrase, "I thought you made a bad video that I watched all the way through, and took away nothing...but I'll make a brain dead comment anyway." 🤦🏻♂️
I mean, I fucked with this game tbh
Underrated game
hello everyone
I played the game “Beyond: Two Souls” and it made a huge impression on me
that is, I liked him very, very much
i went from start to finish of the game
The game is very good, everything is live i.e. it looks real.
As for the protagonist, "JUDI" is a very wonderful, hard-working, carefree, kind, good warrior.
If this channel has a good relationship with the creators of the song and the game, thank you very much
Yes, if the creators of this game have come up with a new game, please let me know.
Thank you in advance
by the way i am from uzbekistan
This video really didn’t need to be an hour long…
That game is awesome and I love beyond two souls I’ve been playing it for the past couple of days ❤❤❤❤ it's like watching a movie ❤
I really liked beyond Two Souls
Thanks David Cage
@@ScottsGameAsylum I dunno why everyone hate it
@@xsamaxgamer8691 Aside from the trite story, asinine characters, inane dialogue, and racism? Yeah, can't imagine why anyone would dislike this 'masterpiece'.🙄
David Cage games are classics some people are just not intelligent enough to understand them.
Nice try David!
@@ScottsGameAsylum you must be one of those gamers who cares nothing about storytelling
To say it's beyond bad is an exaggeration, I didn't bother to watch your full video as you didn't start right away with what is bad about it. I don't know anything about it being bad, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Well, congrats on the dumbest comment on UA-cam. you did your daddy proud with this howler!
@@ScottsGameAsylum If I have to guess, you're either a PC gamer, or maybe you have some political issue with this game or with its' creator. Usually, those who don't like things because of some political cause have a low IQ.
Ahh yes, all those numskulls in our country's halls of power are all idiots because they happened to be interested in politics. Well, for the dumbest comment in part one, you are certainly hitting more dingers!
I will sleep content that when I wake, there will be another cold cut of "critical analysis" gracing my comment section from that special mind. I look forward to another slab of wisdom.
Love
Scott xxx
Dude, this whole fucking video is about why this game sucks, was he supposed to put a tl;dr at the beginning?
We thank thee for thy wisdom
it's great the videos like this exists.. it's a great tell sign which channels of toxic morons to avoid.
Aww that is so kind of you
The most believable part of this game is when Nathan sent Jody to a teen birthday party with an Edgar Allen Poe anthology as a present. Is it any wonder they all turned on her and tried to locked her in the cupboard under the stairs? 🤦😂
Yeah this game was nothing short of prolonged punishment, and personally a betrayal of trust that Cage had earned from the likes of me in Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain, which both indicated that QD were on the right track. Thank God for Detroit 🤖🦾
The whole game is basically only made up of "What contrived bullshit can we put Jody through this time" over and over again
Fahrenheit was absolutely braindead, come on.