Heavy Rain is a better video game experience than The Last of Us in my opinion. I love it's story more and I felt more for it's characters, that's not saying The Last of Us is bad, but it needs to be recognized that Heavy Rain deserves much more praise and pushed the narrative-driven story line games forward not backward. Without Heavy Rain I doubt gaming stories would be given as much attention as Heavy Rain sold well and is regarded by its fans to be a great experience on the back of it simply being a story adventure.
In spite of what all the Critics tell me. I still love Heavy Rain from the bottom of my heart and still think it's one of the best PS3 games ever. And to be honest as far as you showing me a clip of Xenoblade at 0:01. I prefer the story of Heavy Rain over the story of Xenoblade and Xenoblade. Given that one (Heavy Rain) is more easy to follow and understand in very simplistic terms. The Other (Xenoblade) is total fucking shit and I cannot for the life of me understand what the protagonist in that game are even attempting to do. In addition to the story being easy to follow. The music kicks so much ass and is tragic beautiful. The Characters are very memorable and likable. The gameplay definitely does a good job of keeping me on my toes and paying very close attention as opposed to me just sitting there being bored and wanting to pay attention to something else. The visuals are extremely neat. And the twist and turns the games offers are very neat with a tear jerking moments that do get me. It's fair to say Heavy Rain is one of those games I personally love that everyone else hates. No one is going to change my mind on that. Especially when there are far worse games out there with more butt ugly visuals (BALLZ 3D)!! Awful horrendous gameplay (JRPG games like Dragon Quest, Persona, Fire Emblem, ect...........)!!! And worse stories (JRPG games like the ones I mentioned already, Sonic 06. The Story Mode For Super Smash Bros Ultimate, ect.............)!!! Also. This maybe just me. But how do you not even bother to include Ethan Mars in Playstation All Stars Battle Royale on Playstation 3?????? Out of all the 1 billion Sony owned First Party Characters!! Ethan has got to be the easiest character to make a moveset for!!! I would show you a video made by one UA-camr that made a moveset for Ethan. But that's now been removed from UA-cam completely!!
I really appreciate your take here. I totally agree that the game amazingly engrosses you during the time you play it, but upon reflection, there are some undeniable issues that I think could have been fixed with more time and money in development. Thanks for the video, and you deserve more subscribers.
I actually just played and finished it last week. I really liked it for the story. The tank controls pissed me off though but I was genuinely surprised by the ending.
As someone who literally just finished this game for the first time about 30 min ago, I couldn't POSSIBLY agree with your analysis of the problematic reveal of the killer more. The forced perspective and hasty retcon at the end made it feel as if the game wasn't acting in good faith. To contradict something SO important, that you explicitly see with your eyes, with a retcon left a bad taste in mouth 110%. But as problematic as some aspects are, I still absolutely love this mess of a game, and was HELLBENT on saving that child. Any game that can get me that determined and focused on a task must be doing SOMETHING right. Terrific video, thank you!!!
Madison's story is what happens when you add a female character for the sake of being "the girl of the cast" without actually writing them as characters. Seriously she was just put in to serve as Ethan's romantic interest, weird shower scene fanservice, and a free hotel room for him. Why do people have trouble writing women just treat them as regular people like how they write men lol.
@@hornetsilksongfr though, even when I add women characters and or female presenting character in my stories and make them for some sex appeal I still give them character and or traits beyond that 💀
Scott's story should have been Norman's, along with other things Norman does. He's younger than Scott, so that makes the trauma of the father's negligence more fresh. Him being FBI makes it easier for him to find good locations for kidnappings and keeping up with the fathers' whereabouts during their challenges. ARI can be used to alter evidence that ties to him. The use of the glasses and drugs continues to alter his sense of reality, having delusions and making him think what he's doing is a good thing.
I COMPLETELY agree with the criticism of Madison every thing she does is related to some guy (including Ethan) even the taxidermist DLC is her being chased around by some guy. It would have been better if they focused on her job as reporter? searching for the truth similar to Jayden but maybe more focused on talking to people and not the forensic aspect.
Heavy Rain has always been a guilty pleasure of mine. I always loved how any character can die at any point because of you messing up an input, but the plot keeps going. I also really liked the multitude of choices. And at the time, I enjoyed the gameplay because it was something I had never experiences before. The story and voice acting are a bit nostalgic for me as well.
QD games are such paradoxes. They're simultaneously innovate, clunky, fun, boring, creative, artsy, cheesy, etc. Sometimes your choices matter and have a huge impact and sometimes they're pointless. I think your review nailed on the head how hard it is to say whether these kinds of games are good or bad, they just... are. Really like the video!
Thanks man! Yeah, it's difficult to really pin down a Quantic Dream game, because for everything they do right, they can just as quickly tunrn to awfulness. Even if Heavy Rain is probably the best balance of good and bad, it's tough to call it either great or awful on the whole. That's why I think picking out the best and worst elements is the neat way to evaluate games like this.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yeah. People hype QD games way too much. The more Cage tries, the more it's clear he's a talentless hack trying too hard who just tinges on sensitive topics like sexual assault and suicide to be "provocative" and "edgy" without knowing what to do with it or how to deal with it. Honestly, if he just produced talentless trash like Michael Bay, I probably wouldn't hate him so much, but David Cage goes way further.
Right? Say what you will about any of them, but I couldn’t put them down once I was in. They’re like interactive graphic novels. Plot issues are there but they don’t keep me from playing or enjoying it during, and laughing at them after. All around entertaining, just maybe not for the same reasons they set out for 😂
Quantic Dream and David Cage are masters of setting up the story. Setting up the what could be, the suspense and possibility that they suggest. They just have a big problem really coming through with those. They set up a whole row of canons for only some of them to go off. I think Fahrenheit is the perfect example of this, the story starts off legendarily with the bathroom murder and subsequent escape. But then you get halfway through the story of a possession and some dark occulty thing to ancient aliens and the protaganist getting actual superpowers. They have such promise but they don't know how to end.
If anything I feel like Heavy Rain was an important "gateway" into potential new angles of game design, it also showed some of the issues that could come with trying to appeal to two vastly different groups of people. While I don't think the game was necessarily the best, I do think it was important that it existed.
There is a scene where Lauren was distracted by the ballerina, it was there where Scott killed Manfred. Not sure why so many people don't take that into account, everyone I've seen who talk about that scene act like it's a plot hole and could never happen.
because the game explicitly lies to you about that whole scene by having shelby, the character you control in that scene, _commit a whole murder_ while off camera for ten seconds
It's a lie but i think Scott's self narration constantly solving the Origami killer is a bigger lie. At least the camera pans to Lauren and a cutscene starts, so reasonably Scott can do the kill offscreen. There's no justification for why Scott should be continuously thinking and actively trying to solve his own case and thinking the rich kid copycat is important
I feel like most of cage's games have pretty cool hooks that then are the only part of the game with that level of mechanical depth. The opening part of indigo prophecy where you have to hide your unintended murder and then investigate the scene as the police? Sick as hell, wish the whole game was like that. The house scene in heavy rain where your wife will eventually give up on your help if you fumble it too many times and you run out of real life time to do your architect work before she gets home? Where the hell was that in the rest of the game? I remember much less about the others but I suspect at least beyond had a similar opening situation.
I think the info was good and important we need to see Ethan’s family before so we can appreciate the change when Jason dies, he also need time to practice the wacky controls
I love this game. Some parts haven’t aged well but the stuff that works just works. The scene where Madison tries to talk to the killer’s dementia-ridden mother is just beautiful. The atmosphere in this game is incredible, and I love the score. I’m still sad that we never got more Heavy Rain Chronicles.
I just finish my gameplay of heavy rain and I couldn’t agree with this video more. There were so many potholes and issues with the gameplay that couldn’t be overlooked, but it was engrossing at the time. This is an amazing video great job on it!
Madison is a straight up horrible woman - not only for trying to seduce Ethan into sleeping with her (pretty sure she's aware at that point that he's trying to find his missing son and had a very limited amount of time to do if he wants to fins the kid alive), but how she propositions Ethan to make babies with her while they're visiting Shawn's grave (in the ending where Shawn dies).
This game has a lot of problems, which you covered well. However, I still maintain that the stuff that works works unbelievably well. The Lizard sequence still gives me chills, and I love how many different directions the story can take depending on the choices you make. I know they don’t typically “remake” video games the way they do movies, but I think this one has a lot of potential should they ever go that direction. Despite its flaws, it’s still emotionally compelling enough to keep me invested.
I have a huge soft spot for Heavy Rain, it's badly written, cheesy and melodramatic as all hell.The story is laughably stupid,and the game-play not very good, but by God do I love this dumb mess of a game so so much. None of my friends or even my boyfriend understand my love for this game, or any of the David Cage's Series work...and honestly neither do I. OK I do legitimately enjoy the scene where Jaden play's the piano and talks to the digital butler.
I played this game I've heard so many good things about just a couple or days ago as I got it as a Christmas gift, I cant say I was disappointed it's an amazing experience that I believe perfectly blended movie with game and I immediately jumped into a second playthrough instead of finishing Uncharted. I always get entranced by narrative experiences when I play them. The Walking Dead, Life is Strange, Until Dawn and now Heavy Rain. I love this sub genre and no matter how cheap the final twist were I loved the reveal and the unreliable narrator aspect and genuinely was invested in the story and every moment I made on my controller, Ethan is by far my favorite character as every trial (say for 2&3) had me truly think about my decisions, the dialogue wasn't a problem for me neither was the motion capture as I look past most of that because I just like the stories in my games and when the game got going I really didn't mind the voice acting, especially Jayden I love 'em to bits. Heavy Rain is definitely my favorite game right now, its compelling, intriguing and super cool.
Another great video! Personally, I got the most enjoyment out of Fahrenheit, but I think Heavy Rain is probably the best Quantic Dream game. I’ll admit, I’ve got a soft spot for Cage and his games.
Heavy Rain's the only Quantic Dream game I have any real experience with, but I am slightly curious to check out their other titles. Fahrenheit is definitely high on that list, but I'm probably not gonna get to it for a while.
I think the story of "Heavy Rain" goes beyond the trope of the love of a father. I think it's about having goals and what are you willing to do to reach them. That's why the endings I made sure the endings I got corresponded to my vision. -Sometimes we accomplish them and evolve (A new Begining); -Sometimes we accomplish them but don't make any progress in our lives (Heroine); -Sometimes we fail, but get close enough ensure our legacy lives on to teach others (Uploaded); -And sometimes we accomplish them, but the means we use to reach the end eventually has karma cath up to us (A mother's revenge); -Now I'm going to reverse the roles for Ethan and Shelby. Because sometimes we are so flawless in the way we commit atrocities that the consequences never fully catch up to us (Unpunished). And sometimes, even though we accomplish our objectives and deserve to be rewarded, the world is cruel enough to deny us that rightful reward (Ethan's grave); These 6 endings are remind us that we must keep fighting to pull it through in this cold rainy world. And the reason why we must fight, is because people like Scott are always lurking around the corner. This final lesson is going to be represented by the endings "A new Begining", "Heroine", "Uploaded" and "Unpunished" put together. The most realistic collection of endings (at least for me).
What's been said repeatedly about David Cage is that he can actually be a very good _scene_ director, but he's a terrible writer incapable of making a cohesive and natural narrative that extends beyond five minutes.
That's a fair assessment. Heavy Rain's chapters hold up better on their own, but if you don't isolate them from everything else, it just doesn't come together. If David Cage and Quantic Dream capitalized on THAT strength, maybe they'd have a better reputation. Maybe.
The choice to kill Kramer always baffled me. Seriously, why would anyone save him? He’s just a rich asshole who just tried to kill you? I get the point of allowing choice, but there’s gotta be some benefit. Kramer never comes into the story again or is mentioned again. Is it just me or does Scott’s line during the baby scene (what seems to be the problem?) sound a lot like Niko Bellic from GTA 4?
My experience with this game was that I'd played Indigo Prophecy, and was genuinely excited for a murder mystery follow-up. I bought it on launch day, didn't really like the gameplay, and then before I got very far into it the killer was spoiled for me by a webcomic and honestly, after knowing who the killer was I just had no desire to ever go back to it. I tried for a bit, but playing it after I'd been spoiled just became a massive chore for me.
Sucks that you got the twist spoiled for you, because the gameplay is absolutely not the reason people stick with the game. Even if the identity of the killer is (IMO) a bad twist, the mystery surrounding who the killer is is fairly compelling. Knowing it ahead of time just removes any reason to play it.
4:13 I have become very fond of this guy by just only hear him say that, well, fond is not the right word: He is only saying what is true. He just say the truth and that is what is good about him. I can't say that the videogame is good or even that the game is a bit tolerable, WHEN DAVID CAGE IS TRAPPING YOU SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE KILLER IS. David Cage literally sets traps to lie to you in the course of the game.
I don't dislike Heavy Rain, but it definitely would benefit from a remake. To me, Madison's storyline should have been cut completely. In a tighter-written story, it would be evident that her contributions didn’t do anything that Norman, Ethan, and Lauren didn’t accomplish. I would make Lauren a playable character over Madison and if you wanted to go the love interest route, have Grace and Ethan rekindle their relationship. Madison, at best, should be relegated to a pushy journalist NPC role or the Origami Killer since that type of killing is usually profiled to be a man. Norman being the Origami Killer would have worked as well. He could have Scott's backstory and the murders start in part due to the ARI+triptocane fueled benders. He reasonably would make more than Scott so it would make more sense because he would in theory have more access to resources. The shark trials could be a way of getting rid of people on the FBI list as well.
I wish normans story actually forced you to collect clues and gather information instead of giving it to ou and giving you ample time to sit and check every single thing in the ari. I fee lik in normans final ari scene, he should be on a short clock, with only clues that you must have gathered if you want a chance at making it to the warehouse. The game definitely holds your hand with normand shit and it pains me.
At least the soundtracks are amazing for this Origarmi game. I still listen to it almost every day, same as soundtracks from other games like FFX, Silent Hill, FFXV, Bloodborne, etc.
Though I feel this video is stellar and has perfectly reasonable criticisms of the game, I still can’t help but like it. And not in a ‘it’s so much of a mess ha ha’ way either. It was a compelling play and I think if the script had some revisions, there’d be less glaring flaws to extrapolate. It’s certainly got a charm to it
I still feel like this game would of been better if Jayden was the only main character just a detective story trying to save a kid from a serial killer
14:00 I remember I played the first 30 minutes until you meet Norman in 2016 honestly I found it hard to be invested then in 2023 I started to play it for real cause I heard good things of my friends and I played it and I loved it ,the gameplay was bad the story was weird the first 30 minutes but I liked Norman Jayden I always found him cool but it’s one of those games in my opinion that is kinda crap at the beginning story wise and crap in gameplay but the story saves it kinda wish we get something again with Norman like a sequel but Norman investigating other cases .oh yeah his addiction I never understood it actually I tried to find online but it was hard to look up information my hypothesis is because of ari and he has to take it but idk
This is a game that you must play for yourself, to really understand its hook. I may be wrong, but I don’t believe the reviewer actually sat and played this game. He talks about it not really being a game throughout the video, because of the lack of skill needed to click button prompts during “quick time events” (QTE). What he doesn’t mention is how frantic those QTEs can get. For example, your character is seemingly placed in a life or death situation, and you have button prompts flying at you, rapidly flashing, changing and shaking all over the screen, while NPC are screaming orders at you. What do you do? In this one instance, you can choose any of the many impulsive QTE prompts, or you can do what you feel is right. And since, I believed in a peaceful outcome, I chose to do nothing. It turns out that doing nothing was the correct move for my game. The game forces you to believe in your character as a real life person, and project those same feelings on the NPCs. Simply, it draws you into its world. The story has its issues, but what story doesn’t? I played this game back in 2009, and still tell people how great it is today.
David Cage had been there before Telltale, Supermassive, and Dontnod/Deck Nine. Combined with good graphic for its day and then innovative branching narrative choices, no wonder he was praised so highly. Unfortunately, his formula hasn't changed much, Detroit is not that much different from Indigo, while devs like Super Giant or Sam Barlow are doing so much more. He's also not that good a film director or script writer, so the cinematographic parts are not really film level. AND he's French. So naturally, indie critics nowadays are not looking at him with goggle eyes. Heavy Rain is indeed a solid foundation, but nothing more.
Greay video but i actually loved the Prologue you get a dance to get to the know the characters and see how perfect and bright his life is opposed to after where it is all dark and depressing I feel games rush to much for instance SPOILERS in the last of us joels daughter dies way to soon the in the beginning with only having like 10 mins of screen time it would have been more impact full if we spent more time with her
It may not be the popular opinion, but even without the option to die or mess up something, I still think Beyong two souls is their best game. Except there is a piece of shit that treats you like a damn toy and they are really hardcore trying to force you to like and romance him at the end, but hey, you can avoid that piece of shit for good.
honestly I consider this game to be so bad that it becomes good. To me it's The Room of video games, the plot points are so nonsensical at times that I cannot take any part of it seriously. What adds to it is the polish translation of the game which makes it even funnier. For example, instead of pronouncing "origami" wrong, all characters in the polish version refer to the killer as the "zabójca z origami" which translates to "the killer made of origami" which makes all the dialogue about him sound so silly.
I’ll be honest - I couldn’t finish the game just due to the control scheme being horirble and thus action scenes being janky, and with permanent consequences to those it’s far too annoying for me. I just looked up the story and now that I know who the killer is, I laugh because I’ve only played a couple chapters with him and honestly it’s such a stretch in the story it’s laughable.
Even if you did start at the mall instead of Ethan's house, I don't think it would improve on the liking of the main characters that much. Especially Jason, who is portrayed as a dumb kid with possible special needs that unfortunately gets hated on by viewers of the many LP's and streams of this game I've seen. He ignores his dad's warning about straying away from him and the consistent calling of his name which has now become quite a meme due to the strange delivery that Ethan's VA makes. Then there's the death scene. It's dumb. Ethan clearly takes the hit and yet Jason dies anyway. So what impression would this make if the mall scene was the main start of the game? That Ethan is a not a great father and Jason should still be on one of those reins for children. As for the rest of the game, the plot is a mess with things that don't make sense, a terrible romance plot that comes out of nowhere with awkward kissing and moaning noises, a few characters that act as side villains that you can easily avoid and don't much to the story and the ending can be fun until you mis-click or fail to do something earlier in the game that leads to certain death (especially by the armed police outside which come across as complete gun-ho idiots who rather shoot first and answer questions later). Despite that though, this game is easily up there as The Room of videogames (though, of course, not quite as comedically bad) lol
I mean story driven games have always been a thing in JRPGs but yeah I terms what you were trying to say. For the US, we didn't do that as much back when Heavy Rain was released
The part with the homelife just destroyed it for me it was definitely too snails pace. I tried to keep going because storyline wise it was going well but the gameplay was too horrible for me and it destroyed my motivation to enjoy the story.
I can absolutely see why it would be a dealbreaker for you. It didn't really hit me until actually playing the game how much of a slow grind it is for the first hour.
I can see why people like thia game but as someone that jist finished this game last night it's nothing remarkable in my eyes. The controls and quicktime events are irritating and annoying. The story feels jumpy and the ending feels odd and out of nowhere. Overall an interesting experience but it's definitely far from a good/enjoyable experience
I stopped caring when I had to make eggs but I clenched my teeth and finished it. David Cage games seem heavy on dumb tropes, but unlike a game like Alan Wake, it isn't self aware and definitely isn't even fun to play
Quantic Dream's games just aren't for me and that's coming from someone who fits into your end quote. I'm someone who studied art for years and I've been playing video games for as long as I can remember and for me, none of Quantics games meet a good balance of game meets art. My problem is David Cage's philosophy towards his games is much better suited to film or TV as the gameplay for his games greatly suffers because he wants to tell a story but doesn't want to "conform" to traditional gameplay ideas. There are aspects to enjoy about Heavy Rain and some intrigue around the killer but when you're doing mindless objectives like in the introduction all I can ask is... why am I doing this? It just doesn't add anything. You do really highlight a lot of my personal feelings towards Heavy Rain though, but this is Quantics "best" work so I wouldn't be in a rush to seek out the other games except maybe Fahrenheit. Great video mate and as always cannot wait for more!
Yeah, I know what you mean about the Quantic Dream philosophy; it's different for sure, but that doesn't mean the games they make are instantly good. And I think they bank too heavily on that QD formula without realizing its shortcomings.
Controls are a disaster nor it appeal to the already existing gamer nor to new comers. And for story because of the divide between so many characters the story falls flat
I thought this game would have just been like an old gen version of 'Detroit Become Human' but it was just ass I finished the game 10 minutes ago. Controls were terrible, plot was mundane and everything else was just dead
It was a bang up great story. Can’t really make child abduction NOT intriguing and popcorn munchin good. But I’m sorry. The matrix glasses made the entire game feel like a Japanese Anime. Lame! The character who wore em sucked too! I’d rather have the dad become a detective over a year or two and after rising through the ranks, he finally catches a break and finds a big lead to finding his son once and for all. Not some random stuck up Hotch rip off(Criminal Minds) with anime matrix glasses with the worst movement controls of the game. The virtual desk crap was so bad!
What do you think of Heavy Rain and Quantic Dream? Do you think David Cage's visions of non-gamelike video games are admirable or not?
Heavy Rain is a better video game experience than The Last of Us in my opinion. I love it's story more and I felt more for it's characters, that's not saying The Last of Us is bad, but it needs to be recognized that Heavy Rain deserves much more praise and pushed the narrative-driven story line games forward not backward.
Without Heavy Rain I doubt gaming stories would be given as much attention as Heavy Rain sold well and is regarded by its fans to be a great experience on the back of it simply being a story adventure.
In spite of what all the Critics tell me.
I still love Heavy Rain from the bottom of my heart and still think it's one of the best PS3 games ever.
And to be honest as far as you showing me a clip of Xenoblade at 0:01.
I prefer the story of Heavy Rain over the story of Xenoblade and Xenoblade.
Given that one (Heavy Rain) is more easy to follow and understand in very simplistic terms.
The Other (Xenoblade) is total fucking shit and I cannot for the life of me understand what the protagonist in that game are even attempting to do.
In addition to the story being easy to follow. The music kicks so much ass and is tragic beautiful. The Characters are very memorable and likable. The gameplay definitely does a good job of keeping me on my toes and paying very close attention as opposed to me just sitting there being bored and wanting to pay attention to something else. The visuals are extremely neat. And the twist and turns the games offers are very neat with a tear jerking moments that do get me.
It's fair to say Heavy Rain is one of those games I personally love that everyone else hates. No one is going to change my mind on that.
Especially when there are far worse games out there with more butt ugly visuals (BALLZ 3D)!! Awful horrendous gameplay (JRPG games like Dragon Quest, Persona, Fire Emblem, ect...........)!!! And worse stories (JRPG games like the ones I mentioned already, Sonic 06. The Story Mode For Super Smash Bros Ultimate, ect.............)!!!
Also. This maybe just me. But how do you not even bother to include Ethan Mars in Playstation All Stars Battle Royale on Playstation 3??????
Out of all the 1 billion Sony owned First Party Characters!! Ethan has got to be the easiest character to make a moveset for!!!
I would show you a video made by one UA-camr that made a moveset for Ethan. But that's now been removed from UA-cam completely!!
I really appreciate your take here. I totally agree that the game amazingly engrosses you during the time you play it, but upon reflection, there are some undeniable issues that I think could have been fixed with more time and money in development. Thanks for the video, and you deserve more subscribers.
I actually just played and finished it last week. I really liked it for the story. The tank controls pissed me off though but I was genuinely surprised by the ending.
Honestly i can pretty easily make reasons for why this story works and excuse the flaws provided i use some real logic to it lol
As someone who literally just finished this game for the first time about 30 min ago, I couldn't POSSIBLY agree with your analysis of the problematic reveal of the killer more. The forced perspective and hasty retcon at the end made it feel as if the game wasn't acting in good faith. To contradict something SO important, that you explicitly see with your eyes, with a retcon left a bad taste in mouth 110%. But as problematic as some aspects are, I still absolutely love this mess of a game, and was HELLBENT on saving that child. Any game that can get me that determined and focused on a task must be doing SOMETHING right. Terrific video, thank you!!!
I am literally (feeling like) you, right now. Glad to have someone like me out there.
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Ethan and Scott's stories are tear-jerkers.
Norman's story is a chin-scratcher.
Madison is just kinda there.
That is the best summary I have ever read lmao.
Accurate. Madison is unbelievably irrelevant i keep getting surprised when i see her in the game
Scotts story could have been that if not for the twist.
Madison's story is what happens when you add a female character for the sake of being "the girl of the cast" without actually writing them as characters. Seriously she was just put in to serve as Ethan's romantic interest, weird shower scene fanservice, and a free hotel room for him.
Why do people have trouble writing women just treat them as regular people like how they write men lol.
@@hornetsilksongfr though, even when I add women characters and or female presenting character in my stories and make them for some sex appeal I still give them character and or traits beyond that 💀
Scott's story should have been Norman's, along with other things Norman does.
He's younger than Scott, so that makes the trauma of the father's negligence more fresh. Him being FBI makes it easier for him to find good locations for kidnappings and keeping up with the fathers' whereabouts during their challenges. ARI can be used to alter evidence that ties to him. The use of the glasses and drugs continues to alter his sense of reality, having delusions and making him think what he's doing is a good thing.
That actually makes sense
agreed
Can you please write the script for the next heavy rain lol
That sounds tons better
that sounds a lot more reasonable
I COMPLETELY agree with the criticism of Madison every thing she does is related to some guy (including Ethan) even the taxidermist DLC is her being chased around by some guy. It would have been better if they focused on her job as reporter? searching for the truth similar to Jayden but maybe more focused on talking to people and not the forensic aspect.
Main reason I love this game will always be the characters. Especially Nahman Jayden.
Heavy Rain has always been a guilty pleasure of mine. I always loved how any character can die at any point because of you messing up an input, but the plot keeps going. I also really liked the multitude of choices. And at the time, I enjoyed the gameplay because it was something I had never experiences before. The story and voice acting are a bit nostalgic for me as well.
QD games are such paradoxes. They're simultaneously innovate, clunky, fun, boring, creative, artsy, cheesy, etc. Sometimes your choices matter and have a huge impact and sometimes they're pointless. I think your review nailed on the head how hard it is to say whether these kinds of games are good or bad, they just... are. Really like the video!
Thanks man! Yeah, it's difficult to really pin down a Quantic Dream game, because for everything they do right, they can just as quickly tunrn to awfulness. Even if Heavy Rain is probably the best balance of good and bad, it's tough to call it either great or awful on the whole. That's why I think picking out the best and worst elements is the neat way to evaluate games like this.
I wouldn't go that far. Quantic dream games are basically Tommy wiseau movies if he had a budget and other creative leads to work with
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yeah. People hype QD games way too much. The more Cage tries, the more it's clear he's a talentless hack trying too hard who just tinges on sensitive topics like sexual assault and suicide to be "provocative" and "edgy" without knowing what to do with it or how to deal with it.
Honestly, if he just produced talentless trash like Michael Bay, I probably wouldn't hate him so much, but David Cage goes way further.
Right? Say what you will about any of them, but I couldn’t put them down once I was in. They’re like interactive graphic novels. Plot issues are there but they don’t keep me from playing or enjoying it during, and laughing at them after. All around entertaining, just maybe not for the same reasons they set out for 😂
Quantic Dream and David Cage are masters of setting up the story. Setting up the what could be, the suspense and possibility that they suggest. They just have a big problem really coming through with those. They set up a whole row of canons for only some of them to go off. I think Fahrenheit is the perfect example of this, the story starts off legendarily with the bathroom murder and subsequent escape. But then you get halfway through the story of a possession and some dark occulty thing to ancient aliens and the protaganist getting actual superpowers. They have such promise but they don't know how to end.
omfg its been 8 years and i finally find out its "tripto" not "trip to". i was always like "huh take trip to where?"
If anything I feel like Heavy Rain was an important "gateway" into potential new angles of game design, it also showed some of the issues that could come with trying to appeal to two vastly different groups of people. While I don't think the game was necessarily the best, I do think it was important that it existed.
There is a scene where Lauren was distracted by the ballerina, it was there where Scott killed Manfred. Not sure why so many people don't take that into account, everyone I've seen who talk about that scene act like it's a plot hole and could never happen.
Yeah and also when the game shows Shelby again he looks like he's trying to act like he was there the whole time.
@@jaburuperneta actually even worse it lasts only 14 seconds in the original Scott playthrough
Probably because that's not enough time.
because the game explicitly lies to you about that whole scene by having shelby, the character you control in that scene, _commit a whole murder_ while off camera for ten seconds
It's a lie but i think Scott's self narration constantly solving the Origami killer is a bigger lie. At least the camera pans to Lauren and a cutscene starts, so reasonably Scott can do the kill offscreen. There's no justification for why Scott should be continuously thinking and actively trying to solve his own case and thinking the rich kid copycat is important
I feel like most of cage's games have pretty cool hooks that then are the only part of the game with that level of mechanical depth. The opening part of indigo prophecy where you have to hide your unintended murder and then investigate the scene as the police? Sick as hell, wish the whole game was like that. The house scene in heavy rain where your wife will eventually give up on your help if you fumble it too many times and you run out of real life time to do your architect work before she gets home? Where the hell was that in the rest of the game? I remember much less about the others but I suspect at least beyond had a similar opening situation.
The detective sunglasses were such a nice touch. Should have had more of that
I think the info was good and important we need to see Ethan’s family before so we can appreciate the change when Jason dies, he also need time to practice the wacky controls
I love this game. Some parts haven’t aged well but the stuff that works just works. The scene where Madison tries to talk to the killer’s dementia-ridden mother is just beautiful. The atmosphere in this game is incredible, and I love the score. I’m still sad that we never got more Heavy Rain Chronicles.
I think it was for the best we didn't get heavy rain chronicles.
I just finish my gameplay of heavy rain and I couldn’t agree with this video more. There were so many potholes and issues with the gameplay that couldn’t be overlooked, but it was engrossing at the time. This is an amazing video great job on it!
Madison is a straight up horrible woman - not only for trying to seduce Ethan into sleeping with her (pretty sure she's aware at that point that he's trying to find his missing son and had a very limited amount of time to do if he wants to fins the kid alive), but how she propositions Ethan to make babies with her while they're visiting Shawn's grave (in the ending where Shawn dies).
This game has a lot of problems, which you covered well. However, I still maintain that the stuff that works works unbelievably well. The Lizard sequence still gives me chills, and I love how many different directions the story can take depending on the choices you make. I know they don’t typically “remake” video games the way they do movies, but I think this one has a lot of potential should they ever go that direction. Despite its flaws, it’s still emotionally compelling enough to keep me invested.
It would take a lit of re working.
It is a very half assed game from a egotistical lunatic.
I have a huge soft spot for Heavy Rain, it's badly written, cheesy and melodramatic as all hell.The story is laughably stupid,and the game-play not very good, but by God do I love this dumb mess of a game so so much. None of my friends or even my boyfriend understand my love for this game, or any of the David Cage's Series work...and honestly neither do I. OK I do legitimately enjoy the scene where Jaden play's the piano and talks to the digital butler.
I also have a soft spot for David Cage‘s stuff, but Heavy Rain is too unoriginal, too boring after the first playthrough.
@Hill-Billy Boy and?
How curious to convey that vowel change with a doubling of the following consonant.
I played this game I've heard so many good things about just a couple or days ago as I got it as a Christmas gift, I cant say I was disappointed it's an amazing experience that I believe perfectly blended movie with game and I immediately jumped into a second playthrough instead of finishing Uncharted. I always get entranced by narrative experiences when I play them. The Walking Dead, Life is Strange, Until Dawn and now Heavy Rain. I love this sub genre and no matter how cheap the final twist were I loved the reveal and the unreliable narrator aspect and genuinely was invested in the story and every moment I made on my controller, Ethan is by far my favorite character as every trial (say for 2&3) had me truly think about my decisions, the dialogue wasn't a problem for me neither was the motion capture as I look past most of that because I just like the stories in my games and when the game got going I really didn't mind the voice acting, especially Jayden I love 'em to bits. Heavy Rain is definitely my favorite game right now, its compelling, intriguing and super cool.
Another great video! Personally, I got the most enjoyment out of Fahrenheit, but I think Heavy Rain is probably the best Quantic Dream game. I’ll admit, I’ve got a soft spot for Cage and his games.
Heavy Rain's the only Quantic Dream game I have any real experience with, but I am slightly curious to check out their other titles. Fahrenheit is definitely high on that list, but I'm probably not gonna get to it for a while.
I think the story of "Heavy Rain" goes beyond the trope of the love of a father. I think it's about having goals and what are you willing to do to reach them. That's why the endings I made sure the endings I got corresponded to my vision.
-Sometimes we accomplish them and evolve (A new Begining);
-Sometimes we accomplish them but don't make any progress in our lives (Heroine);
-Sometimes we fail, but get close enough ensure our legacy lives on to teach others (Uploaded);
-And sometimes we accomplish them, but the means we use to reach the end eventually has karma cath up to us (A mother's revenge);
-Now I'm going to reverse the roles for Ethan and Shelby. Because sometimes we are so flawless in the way we commit atrocities that the consequences never fully catch up to us (Unpunished). And sometimes, even though we accomplish our objectives and deserve to be rewarded, the world is cruel enough to deny us that rightful reward (Ethan's grave);
These 6 endings are remind us that we must keep fighting to pull it through in this cold rainy world. And the reason why we must fight, is because people like Scott are always lurking around the corner. This final lesson is going to be represented by the endings "A new Begining", "Heroine", "Uploaded" and "Unpunished" put together. The most realistic collection of endings (at least for me).
I played it when it came to pc and loved it, i like geting in front of tv with joystick pop corn and such play this intreractive movie
Ngl I heard about this game a lot, but until I played it I didn’t even know Norman was a character. I just thought it was Ethan, Scott and Madison.
What's been said repeatedly about David Cage is that he can actually be a very good _scene_ director, but he's a terrible writer incapable of making a cohesive and natural narrative that extends beyond five minutes.
That's a fair assessment. Heavy Rain's chapters hold up better on their own, but if you don't isolate them from everything else, it just doesn't come together. If David Cage and Quantic Dream capitalized on THAT strength, maybe they'd have a better reputation. Maybe.
@@CloudConnection That's kinda what they did with Beyond Two Souls.
The choice to kill Kramer always baffled me. Seriously, why would anyone save him? He’s just a rich asshole who just tried to kill you? I get the point of allowing choice, but there’s gotta be some benefit. Kramer never comes into the story again or is mentioned again.
Is it just me or does Scott’s line during the baby scene (what seems to be the problem?) sound a lot like Niko Bellic from GTA 4?
My experience with this game was that I'd played Indigo Prophecy, and was genuinely excited for a murder mystery follow-up. I bought it on launch day, didn't really like the gameplay, and then before I got very far into it the killer was spoiled for me by a webcomic and honestly, after knowing who the killer was I just had no desire to ever go back to it. I tried for a bit, but playing it after I'd been spoiled just became a massive chore for me.
Sucks that you got the twist spoiled for you, because the gameplay is absolutely not the reason people stick with the game. Even if the identity of the killer is (IMO) a bad twist, the mystery surrounding who the killer is is fairly compelling. Knowing it ahead of time just removes any reason to play it.
4:13 I have become very fond of this guy by just only hear him say that, well, fond is not the right word:
He is only saying what is true. He just say the truth and that is what is good about him.
I can't say that the videogame is good or even that the game is a bit tolerable,
WHEN DAVID CAGE IS TRAPPING YOU SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE KILLER IS.
David Cage literally sets traps to lie to you in the course of the game.
I don't dislike Heavy Rain, but it definitely would benefit from a remake.
To me, Madison's storyline should have been cut completely. In a tighter-written story, it would be evident that her contributions didn’t do anything that Norman, Ethan, and Lauren didn’t accomplish. I would make Lauren a playable character over Madison and if you wanted to go the love interest route, have Grace and Ethan rekindle their relationship. Madison, at best, should be relegated to a pushy journalist NPC role or the Origami Killer since that type of killing is usually profiled to be a man.
Norman being the Origami Killer would have worked as well. He could have Scott's backstory and the murders start in part due to the ARI+triptocane fueled benders. He reasonably would make more than Scott so it would make more sense because he would in theory have more access to resources. The shark trials could be a way of getting rid of people on the FBI list as well.
I wish normans story actually forced you to collect clues and gather information instead of giving it to ou and giving you ample time to sit and check every single thing in the ari. I fee lik in normans final ari scene, he should be on a short clock, with only clues that you must have gathered if you want a chance at making it to the warehouse. The game definitely holds your hand with normand shit and it pains me.
At least the soundtracks are amazing for this Origarmi game.
I still listen to it almost every day, same as soundtracks from other games like FFX, Silent Hill, FFXV, Bloodborne, etc.
Me and my friend were playing the game together and we called the killer reveal, it was a while ago so I can't recall why we thought so
Just replayed this after a good few years, and whilst it definitely had some problems still an enjoyable game!
Had no issues with the controls on PC, played with the Elite controller.
Though I feel this video is stellar and has perfectly reasonable criticisms of the game, I still can’t help but like it. And not in a ‘it’s so much of a mess ha ha’ way either. It was a compelling play and I think if the script had some revisions, there’d be less glaring flaws to extrapolate. It’s certainly got a charm to it
I still feel like this game would of been better if Jayden was the only main character just a detective story trying to save a kid from a serial killer
14:00 I remember I played the first 30 minutes until you meet Norman in 2016 honestly I found it hard to be invested then in 2023 I started to play it for real cause I heard good things of my friends and I played it and I loved it ,the gameplay was bad the story was weird the first 30 minutes but I liked Norman Jayden I always found him cool but it’s one of those games in my opinion that is kinda crap at the beginning story wise and crap in gameplay but the story saves it kinda wish we get something again with Norman like a sequel but Norman investigating other cases .oh yeah his addiction I never understood it actually I tried to find online but it was hard to look up information my hypothesis is because of ari and he has to take it but idk
SHAUN!
JASOOOOON
This is a game that you must play for yourself, to really understand its hook. I may be wrong, but I don’t believe the reviewer actually sat and played this game. He talks about it not really being a game throughout the video, because of the lack of skill needed to click button prompts during “quick time events” (QTE). What he doesn’t mention is how frantic those QTEs can get. For example, your character is seemingly placed in a life or death situation, and you have button prompts flying at you, rapidly flashing, changing and shaking all over the screen, while NPC are screaming orders at you. What do you do? In this one instance, you can choose any of the many impulsive QTE prompts, or you can do what you feel is right. And since, I believed in a peaceful outcome, I chose to do nothing. It turns out that doing nothing was the correct move for my game. The game forces you to believe in your character as a real life person, and project those same feelings on the NPCs. Simply, it draws you into its world. The story has its issues, but what story doesn’t? I played this game back in 2009, and still tell people how great it is today.
Really nice vid man
For me this is a masterpiece game
great game! loved it
David Cage had been there before Telltale, Supermassive, and Dontnod/Deck Nine. Combined with good graphic for its day and then innovative branching narrative choices, no wonder he was praised so highly.
Unfortunately, his formula hasn't changed much, Detroit is not that much different from Indigo, while devs like Super Giant or Sam Barlow are doing so much more. He's also not that good a film director or script writer, so the cinematographic parts are not really film level. AND he's French. So naturally, indie critics nowadays are not looking at him with goggle eyes.
Heavy Rain is indeed a solid foundation, but nothing more.
Greay video but i actually loved the Prologue you get a dance to get to the know the characters and see how perfect and bright his life is opposed to after where it is all dark and depressing
I feel games rush to much for instance
SPOILERS in the last of us joels daughter dies way to soon the in the beginning with only having like 10 mins of screen time it would have been more impact full if we spent more time with her
Still the best work from David Cage. Witch IDK if that is good or bad.
I think Detroit is leagues better in every way but it’s is definitely good
Too bad David Cage is not making another murder mystery interactive game I miss those days now Cage is reportedly making a new Star Wars game
It may not be the popular opinion, but even without the option to die or mess up something, I still think Beyong two souls is their best game. Except there is a piece of shit that treats you like a damn toy and they are really hardcore trying to force you to like and romance him at the end, but hey, you can avoid that piece of shit for good.
Great video
I play french very good voices
From mass? Instant sub
honestly I consider this game to be so bad that it becomes good. To me it's The Room of video games, the plot points are so nonsensical at times that I cannot take any part of it seriously. What adds to it is the polish translation of the game which makes it even funnier. For example, instead of pronouncing "origami" wrong, all characters in the polish version refer to the killer as the "zabójca z origami" which translates to "the killer made of origami" which makes all the dialogue about him sound so silly.
You should have WAY more views and subs. Excellent work!
I’ll be honest - I couldn’t finish the game just due to the control scheme being horirble and thus action scenes being janky, and with permanent consequences to those it’s far too annoying for me.
I just looked up the story and now that I know who the killer is, I laugh because I’ve only played a couple chapters with him and honestly it’s such a stretch in the story it’s laughable.
I'm not gonna say this was bad or poorly crafted (for the most part), but I can't take how self-serious it is.
I both love and hate this game as well.
I tried REALLY hard to try and get into Heavy Rain. No matter how much I tried, I just couldn't enjoy it due to the gameplay
Fair enough! It's a hurdle for sure.
It is good
I’m playing it again and I’m almost done with it
Jason!!
Ari *is* the drug
Origarmi
A lot of the things this guy says just doesn't matter, or isn't really true. I don't agree with him.
Even if you did start at the mall instead of Ethan's house, I don't think it would improve on the liking of the main characters that much. Especially Jason, who is portrayed as a dumb kid with possible special needs that unfortunately gets hated on by viewers of the many LP's and streams of this game I've seen. He ignores his dad's warning about straying away from him and the consistent calling of his name which has now become quite a meme due to the strange delivery that Ethan's VA makes. Then there's the death scene. It's dumb. Ethan clearly takes the hit and yet Jason dies anyway. So what impression would this make if the mall scene was the main start of the game? That Ethan is a not a great father and Jason should still be on one of those reins for children. As for the rest of the game, the plot is a mess with things that don't make sense, a terrible romance plot that comes out of nowhere with awkward kissing and moaning noises, a few characters that act as side villains that you can easily avoid and don't much to the story and the ending can be fun until you mis-click or fail to do something earlier in the game that leads to certain death (especially by the armed police outside which come across as complete gun-ho idiots who rather shoot first and answer questions later). Despite that though, this game is easily up there as The Room of videogames (though, of course, not quite as comedically bad) lol
One of the best games ever made
I mean story driven games have always been a thing in JRPGs but yeah I terms what you were trying to say. For the US, we didn't do that as much back when Heavy Rain was released
The part with the homelife just destroyed it for me it was definitely too snails pace. I tried to keep going because storyline wise it was going well but the gameplay was too horrible for me and it destroyed my motivation to enjoy the story.
I can absolutely see why it would be a dealbreaker for you. It didn't really hit me until actually playing the game how much of a slow grind it is for the first hour.
Scott is my favourite playable character, before and after the twist. He just made me feel something as I couldn't stand Ethan.
Why you’re a horrible person
I can see why people like thia game but as someone that jist finished this game last night it's nothing remarkable in my eyes. The controls and quicktime events are irritating and annoying. The story feels jumpy and the ending feels odd and out of nowhere. Overall an interesting experience but it's definitely far from a good/enjoyable experience
Agree Norman is boring. I hated playing as Norman so much I let him die in the junkyard on my first playthrough.
I stopped caring when I had to make eggs but I clenched my teeth and finished it. David Cage games seem heavy on dumb tropes, but unlike a game like Alan Wake, it isn't self aware and definitely isn't even fun to play
I put 2 hours into it and I've been bored out of my mind. Finally had to delete it.
Madison was the most interesting character in the entire game. Shrugs
was she the most interesting person, or did she just have the biggest number of interesting things happening to her?
Quantic Dream's games just aren't for me and that's coming from someone who fits into your end quote. I'm someone who studied art for years and I've been playing video games for as long as I can remember and for me, none of Quantics games meet a good balance of game meets art. My problem is David Cage's philosophy towards his games is much better suited to film or TV as the gameplay for his games greatly suffers because he wants to tell a story but doesn't want to "conform" to traditional gameplay ideas. There are aspects to enjoy about Heavy Rain and some intrigue around the killer but when you're doing mindless objectives like in the introduction all I can ask is... why am I doing this? It just doesn't add anything. You do really highlight a lot of my personal feelings towards Heavy Rain though, but this is Quantics "best" work so I wouldn't be in a rush to seek out the other games except maybe Fahrenheit. Great video mate and as always cannot wait for more!
Yeah, I know what you mean about the Quantic Dream philosophy; it's different for sure, but that doesn't mean the games they make are instantly good. And I think they bank too heavily on that QD formula without realizing its shortcomings.
Controls are a disaster nor it appeal to the already existing gamer nor to new comers. And for story because of the divide between so many characters the story falls flat
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I thought this game would have just been like an old gen version of 'Detroit Become Human' but it was just ass
I finished the game 10 minutes ago. Controls were terrible, plot was mundane and everything else was just dead
I hated it, a boring story. I didn't care for any of the characters. Stupid situations and unbelievable behavior of the characters.
Is it really that innovative? Visual novels have been around for a while...
If you hate this game you shouldn’t be allowed to review games
this game sucks and apparently the story sucks too so it definitely doesn’t hold up.
It was a bang up great story. Can’t really make child abduction NOT intriguing and popcorn munchin good. But I’m sorry. The matrix glasses made the entire game feel like a Japanese Anime. Lame! The character who wore em sucked too!
I’d rather have the dad become a detective over a year or two and after rising through the ranks, he finally catches a break and finds a big lead to finding his son once and for all. Not some random stuck up Hotch rip off(Criminal Minds) with anime matrix glasses with the worst movement controls of the game. The virtual desk crap was so bad!