How Many Age Group Athletes Dope?
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- You've heard all about doping in the pro field...but are age groupers innocent in the world of triathlon? Join retired triathlete TJ Tollakson in part 5 of his ongoing series about 'drugs in triathlon.'
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TJ Tollakson is the original Dimond creator and the accomplished CEO of Ruster Sports/ Dimond Bikes. Tollakson began racing in 2001 and quickly proved himself a force to be reckoned with on the bike course. TJ is a proud husband and father to 3 children. You can usually find him pounding the pavement in Des Moines, IA or tinkering with his newest idea at the Dimond Bikes headquarters.
TJ has 10 Ironman podium finishes under his belt, with his favorite being his Mont Tremblant victory. After a bumpy road filled with surgeries and numerous setbacks, TJ used this Canadian victory to prove he was still at his prime. One of his latest accolades was an IM PR of 8:04:17 at IM Arizona.
He retired in 2021 with his last race being Ironman Des Moines 70.3 in his hometown.
Thank you so much for this video! Absolutely fantastic! You speak up for all of the athletes that got robbed from a slot by cheaters that are bragging around … and I absolutely loved the Yo yo yo part as the reaction of the pro triathletes was so sad for our sport. Referee are right always. Thank you for that!
I'm not an athlete, but even at 50 notice a decline in my ability to recover from hard efforts in running and lifting. So it totally makes sense that they would at least be on something that helps with recovery.
Yes, recovery is the key to superior performances and regular intense training.
Fascinating. Many things I never thought of and also things I was hoping weren't true. Thanks for the insight and how you present it. Cheers!
Thanks for making this. there is a ignorance to how many people are on PEDs and promoting fitness. I would like to see more transparency but people are taking advantage of hiding their PED use for social gain. More like this would be great especially showing the complications that come with PEDs like financially affording more cycles and serious side effects like not being able to perform in bed lol or roid rage. 💯 Stay natural.
There are no boundaries to doping kids age groupers pros you name it. It's everywhere and you can't stop it now.
What an excellent video TJ. I'm more proud of my numbers now, because they are really mine.
Great stuff. I wonder how come I didn’t find such a great content earlier. Keep it coming 😀👍
Hey! Great video! While I, as a guy, don't like the idea of TRT being banned if someone needs it, I do understand why.
Great Video! Thank you for shedding light on this subject!
As a kid in school town and regional cross country champs I was always near the front. Suddenly you'd have these kids charge past you, and then a bit down the track they'd be leaning on a fence puffing on their inhalers, and then come charging past again lol
I suspect the vast majority just use it for everyday life and don’t know it’s doping. For the kids it’s probably ADHD meds, for the older folks it’s hormone replacement, and for all it’s antidepressants and inhalers. I’d be interested to see the relationship between doping and Kona qualification.
I wish there was a breakdown on how many used EPO, since therapeutic use is unlikely.
Lame
You can get a TUE for ADHD meds, Testosterone is much harder.
@@realalbertan true but nobody is withdrawing from the race because they’re on trt. Ironman probably wouldn’t even strictly enforce that because they would limit their participant base for older age groups.
@@stevesears8241 well by the rules they are supposed to get a TUE in adavance. For other drugs the TUE process varies by country. Here in Canada non testing pool athletes can get a retroactive TUE for certain drugs like ADHD.
There isn’t a single person that is even moderately competitive that doesn’t know taking testosterone is cheating
I use a lot of supplements, swedish sauna, massage and as few legal drugs as I can. The main goal is not to win anything, but to stay at the best of my potential for my age.
I don’t know why people are surprised by the numbers. Long term triathletes such as me (1984 I started)have know for decades that some pro’s and AG athletes dope.
Great video. Sad findings. Would be interesting to see exact wording in the survey. And stratification by age group. TRT and other banned therapeutic drugs are common in older athletes. If they asked "are you using XYZ ADHD or asthma med," then there could be many athletes with Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUE's) who use those drugs legally because they've been cleared by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
TRT is nearly impossible to use with a TUE. You need hypogonadism or something similar to be granted a TUE for TRT and physician prescription for low T doesn't qualify.
You mean the 63 year old age grouper who went 4:22 in the half distance might have been cheating?
Thanks TJ! Informative.
FYI Moats died from skin cancer not long ago - June 2022. He failed to get a TUE for his T prescription, so he was busted. I have had numerous discussions with IM and USAT about doping testing. Cost is an issue. I suspect that IM doesn't want bad press too. IM has told me that they test when someone has a finger pointed at them. I know of a few competitors that have been tested; they were negative. Race clean people. That's the whole point of living a fitness lifestyle. Oh, and yes, even lower category bike racers dope. Sad. If they are doping as a cat 4 or 3, they are never going to make it in cat 1,2 races let alone as a professional racer.
Thank you - terrific video
100% agree. wouldent even post my rides public on strava. if your on trt and crushing koms even if it was the 65 plus age group
I'd be interested to know what the prevalence is at the top end vs those ticking something off their bucket list.
ie what is the doping level in the Kona age grouper field?
I would guess it is pretty evenly distributed amongst athletes over 50. Under 50 I would say is more heavily concentrated at the top.
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes When I raced Kona under 50, none other than Vinokourov won my age group!
The pro that won the race I qualified at has since been caught for doping...
(That is before many purchased speed:
- skin suit, aero kit, bikes... or drafted - some even rode with mates (can be particularly helpful to women age groupers and older guys in less speedy age groups).
- lengthy pre-race travel/recovery/hotel stay in advance - especially for those that came from SA, 12 time zones and some very long flights away...
...)
Im new to the sport of triathlon, but not new to PEDs and longevity protocols. When I read the description I was under the impression this conversation was going to be about very specific ways athletes modify there blood short term to hold more oxygen… doping. I was way off.
While blood doping is a banned method most doping bans are for substances and methods that are much more common.
Focusmen what kind of doping you talking about?
So where can I get the stuff at doping for my Iron Man training
I knew there was a reason all those people came in ahead of me.
What about b12 shots? Is taking it through a shot legal?
B12 injections are also prohibited from WADA.
I have a question. Is an individual allowed to get testosterone if ordered by their doctor, stop taking it, get into Ironman like two years later and legally compete?
Yes, similar to if you were busted for drugs and served a ban you can come back and race.
Not for nothin with the crazy amount of records being broken i would think this is a norm for many during training. . . Interesting how sarms became so popular and the records started to be shattered
I didnt even know about this product SARMS... I m definitely has-been. I have just checked it and well, it´s weird, no doubt at all or a very very curious coincidence.... You might be right.
Interesting, didn’t expect that many age groupers doping
You mean, age groupers aren’t as desperate to win as pros?! Naive.
I can easily believe it
Me neither and I agree with you because old dinosaurs like me still think that the triathlon is a sport - precisely - invented to demonstrate how far we can go WITHOUT doping. With the power of will and determination. Therefore, it was meant to be a clean sport for amateurs at least. Well, it´s not.
@@jonathanlaue3460 What I think she is trying to express is what I also felt when I first started the triathlon in 1993. Triathlon was precisely a challenge against oneself. The demonstration that we could achieve incredible things without using any of these enhancement drugs/plants or synthetic substances. It doesnt mean we werent interested in winning but winning cheating wasnt rewarding for me, at least. Therefore triathlon was the last island, the very last clean sport on earth by nature. It seems like I was completely wrong and I was also a naive doubled of an idiot.... That´s pretty sad but as you said, it makes sense.
Me too. What will apart from the detrimental effect on ones health an AG win at Kona get you? Money? Prestige among the handful of people who know you won your AG?
Is taking pain killer, like Panadol, consider dope?
Panadol is currently allowed in competition and out of competition. Other narcotic pain medications are not allowed in competition.
Can you write down the reference study that you cited at the beginning?
taylorhooton.org/shock-over-1-in-7-admit-to-doping-in-ironman-triathlon/
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes Thanks a lot!
Loved the video! Always curious, what happens to athletes who have a clinically diagnosed condition like manic depression or social anxiety where they need banned medications to function at a normal level both at races and outside. Are they expected to not take their psychiatric medications to race/train? Seems like a natural unfair advantage for people who don’t suffer from a illness/diagnosis. Lowkey seems like a form of discrimination to say because someone has a condition and needs medication that they can’t “legally” race.
Just coming from a psych nurse whose seen what happens when patients don’t take their prescribed medications 😅
Millions of medications are safely allowed both out of competition and in competition. Therapeutic Use Exemptions are granted if an athletes needs a medication and is not deemed to gain an unfair advantage. It is also important to remember that sport participation is a privilege and not a right.
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes I was more curious if you had an idea of what an athlete could do if they were on medication that was medically necessary but also banned? Does the TUE depend on your doctors reasoning or does WADA/Ironman control/approve them overall? Do they not compete since it’s not a right? I would love to coach one day and I just don’t know how to treat that situation or what the “right” course of action would be.
I didn't know they could come to your house and test you. I mean, we are nobodies.
Love the video with the exception of calling out Sam Long. At the very least there is NO video evidence for Sam drafting. While you may believe he drafted earlier as Ironman claimed it is still unverifiable by video evidence so it seems totally unnecessary to call him out specifically
Well, he is a convicted drafter with or without video evidence. Calling him out is just pointing out that breaking the rules doesn't take account of intent.
For non professional people racing who aren't anywhere close to winning, does it matter beyond safety concerns with PEDs?
At the elite professional level it makes sense to enforce/police but I don't think WADA should really care below that level for consenting adults
I'm not sure it matters, but the current rules clearly prohibit PEDs for amateurs and pros. Also, what good are rules if they aren't enforced.
I'm pro drugs
Amen to that…this is why I stopped doing tris
Caffeine is the best legal drug to take during race day 😂
Many sports ban caffeine too
Caffeine and creatine for the win.
@@nech060404they ban the amount used not the actual substance
Cognitive doping like antidepressants? Is that illegal doping?
All medications should be checked on globaldro.com some antidepressant medications are banned.
Thanks for covering this. If drug testing is too expensive I wish organizers required athletes to sign a moral agreement or some form of prevention method to inform and persuade age groupers to not cheat or at least know for a fact that they're cheating so that they feel bad in cheating. Thank you
So much more than anyone appreciates. That's the world we've built. Especially Masters competitors.
My guess is, a lot. No one can do some of those times they do lol
Please: no background music!
what are the best, easiest to get, safest and least issues for performance enhancing drugs for NON competition use. in usa
Informative thanks! Ps. Constructive criticism, i hope:. I really can't stand the background music on your videos, or I would watch more....
These rules you speak of are for racing right? Not training. . . 🤔🤔🤔
Both...if you are training for a race that is sanctioned the WADA rules apply and certain substances and methods are banned for training.
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Basically all of them use, even the shitty ones. What people don't understand is just taking PED's don't make you an awesome athlete. Most of the time, those using PED's are harder working than 99% of the others.
Yeah, because they are recovering better thanks to PEDs lol
Aaaaand with that mostly "black and white" description, you end the participation of almost every athletes over the age of 65 in spite of it being no fault of there own... because without them, they would be dead. On the positive side, you can put on their tombstone: At least I made WADA happy. :)
>>>Sidenote: TUEs are allowed for "prohibited or conditional" drugs if they will "...not afford you a competitive advantage, but rather ensure you can compete in a proper state of health. And, not being dead is ... hmmm.... pretty much ... a "proper state of health" and a requirement to enter a race or train. ;)
TRT is generally only granted TUE if you have hypogonadism. Low T and a doctor prescription are not allowed. This is the Kevin Moats case.
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes Low testosterone is the symptom of hypogonadism. In other words, a prescription for testosterone is provided for hypogonadism. However, there are rare situations where you can have normal testosterone levels and have hypogonadism when SHBG levels are high. And, SHBG increases as we age.
It appears you are delineating Low-T and hypogonadism as different.... and, that is not the case. They are (in practical terms) the same. This means that a prescription is the ONLY way to legally treat hypogonadism to maintain a quality of life. And, where the "quality of life" means the t-levels are NORMAL and provide no additional performance benefit. High levels of testosterone to provide performance enhancement are NOT a prescriptive goal for treatment. In fact, excessive levels of testosterone can be more detrimental than low levels of testosterone. Excessive t-levels is the most common correlation between cancer and t-levels and thus requires regular testing for dosage amount and frequency.
Exogenous testosterones is not automatically disallowed. It is subject to the same TUE requirement as other drugs. However, I will agree that how TUEs are approved is NOT consistent. WADA has different evaluation standards based on the particular board within the country the TUE is requested. For instance (and the last I looked), testosterone TUEs (and other drugs) are more obtainable in Europe than in North America.
In the case of Moats, he originally was banned because he took supplemental testosterone (no prescription, no proven need). The second ban was because he did not get PRE-approval by applying for a TUE for medically prescribed testosterone. It appears Moat's history of misuse contributed to his ban and not simply his use of testosterones. This is not to be compared to a 70 yo. triathlete who has a disabling 250 t-level and takes a 200 t-shots to maintain a healthy (low end) 450 t-level.
Low testosterone effects about 35-45% of all men over the age of 45. Extrapolate this to participants in triathlons, it wouldn't surprise me if ALL male age group athletes over the age of 45 were tested for testosterone, you would find at least 1/3 would fail and most would be "middle to pack of the packer" finishers.
Bottom line, there is a difference between intentionally testosterone doping and a medical need. And, this becomes more apparent as athletes age. Unfortunately, WADA has a habit of putting every drug into the same basket regardless of age as - abusive use rather than need. This is why testing will never be truly reflective of proper drug use vs. abuse and TUEs are needed.
As it stands, most age group athletes will not get TUEs because ... what's the point? WADA has a single minded attitude that benefits no one and scares away the honest people from applying for TUEs. Plus, your video (unfortunately) exemplifies/reflects this.
Since you could be considered doping for taking cold medicine or birth control pills or asthma meds, I consider this a non issue. Saying that nearly 20% are cheating is misleading.
If 20% admitted to doping, then what is the real number, 40%, 50%? Sad.
for the cheaters. they wear a nice clothes to work they earn a good salary and spend a lot of money training, gear, bike, they are still cheat doing a sport.
Even the majority of all these tiktok, youtubers,insta and all other social media fitness or just hot looking chics are on peds.
The pros dont dope but age groupers dope? I honestly couldnt care if the age groupers dope until they break a pro record its not interesting.
So you don't care about cheating? Why race at all then?
Some of the doping rules area just stupid. I bet there is a ton of 50+ year old's taking beta blockers for high blood pressure. And if you think that just because you are a triathlete you can't have high BP your not a medical professional. Yes you BP will be lower but not in a normal range and all the athletic ability in the world can't be genetics. Just ask Tim O'Donnell.
All drugs/medications/methods should be checked on globaldro.com if it is banned you should apply for a TUE.
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying
One way cheaters rationalize and justify their behavior
If you cheat you're a fake and a liar
@@maryskelcher8979 everyone is on drugs
@@kyleheard8433 Whatever you need to tell yourself, man
@@jasonhendrickson2289 there is entire books written about every professional athlete that’s been busted for drugs. Countries have been banned from the Olympics because of drugs world records have been revoked because of drugs. So sir what I tell my self is the truth. Everyone is on drugs. .
First
And obviously, you don't dope ?
F this tell me your chest routine
Doping is a part of the sport. Like it or not. That is just how those who compete at the very top operate. Embrace it.
How about we don't embrace it?
@@jameseastwood402 just focus on you. Whats in it for you? Are you even winning in your age group? If you aint winning then just enjoy the sport.
@@PhiyackYuh it's ok to want to compete on a fair playing field wherever you end up.
Why not just take a short cut? Or get a lift during the run? It's cheating, pain and simple
There's a lad on UA-cam. Mark I think. Openly admits it on his channel. I unsubscribed. It's cheating. Even if your doctor says it's ok. I think you must have a toilet for a brain to compete against people not on drugs. But triathletes are weird. They spend more time training than with their families. For what? What? They are better than the next person because they spent more time away from their family.
Mark Lewis? He is on TRT . Thats not really EPO . He was basically depressed and in the bed because he was hypogonadal.
So if you have a medical condition it’s cheating to take the drug the doctor recommends? So if you want to do tri you should run zeor or very low test and compete with normal men with a 900? Sounds like you hate anything you don’t do and need excuses for your poor performance.
@@Southerncyclist trt still helps with training mate. Why was he depressed? We dont know the full story. Was it because he has shit job, more stress, poor sleeping habits and nutrition? If thats the case then theres no point on trt, he was just looking for shortcuts. Just like any of these youtube clowns. Remember its all an act to get subscribers. Just ask any exercise physiologist whats the secret to performance for natural weekend worriers or age groupers. It wont be banned substances. Its the stuff you and i know already but dont do it.
@@PhiyackYuh go watch his videos he is very transparent, talks about TRT and why he is on it.
What purpose does it serve you to give your opinion on Sam Long if it has zero to do with the topic? Nobody clicks on this to hear anything about drafting. You implied that Sam Long purposely cheated why?
You clearly was not understanding the statement. Go back and listen to the preface of “cheating unintentional.”
Doping intentionally or unintentionally is still against the rules just like drafting intentionally or unintentionally is also against the rules.
@IzzyR You clearly was not understanding how he implied Sam Long intentionally cheated
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes You implied he intentionally created
I do triathlons and dope biggly. My brother is a doctor and he hooks me up and does the blood work for safety. I win a lot and I also win the sanctioned events.
Are you serious?
@@maryskelcher8979 yes. My nuts are pretty small so that helps me on the bike ride anyway.
You have achieved nothing. You are not a triathlete. Your brother should be ashamed.
@@maryskelcher8979 all my friends and girlfriends think I have and that is all that matters. I sell bikes too and this helps my business.