@ you can expect to pay $0.40 to $0.60 per kWh to fast charge. If you pay for slower, level 2 charging, then maybe $0.15 to $0.25 per kWh. If you mostly home charge, then charging on the road isn’t so much a matter of price but necessity.
I own a 2023 Ford Lightning Lariat. I was Charging the other day at Nouria Wareham Ma using a 100kw charger and started off at 29% and started of at around 42kw then it ramped up to 73kw to 76kw till I reached 80%. I added 72kw of energy and it took 1hr to charge.
Feels great being the 8th Subscriber of a channel that will surely be at 100k+ eventually :) And agree Fords charging strategy needs some reform, boosts/steps/artificial limits are very gen 1 EV
There are several software updates on the DCFC module that supports longer boost and 500amp charging. It could change the charging experience significantly
While it is true that the Lightning has a slower charging curve, it really is a great truck and is great for a lot of use cases. Is it the ideal road tripper? Absolutely not, but if I was road tripping enough for it to truly matter I would do the M3 Highland Long range. For me the Lightning works, just takes some planing like charging while having a sit down meal 😢
I understand the 2024 is able to boost to 500a so that it gets a speed boost during that 10 minutes, but still VERY slow. I do like the flat charging curve, but Ford needs to ramp this up to 800v+ and get into the hunt. Charging is one of the biggest weak links with the Lightning. Overall I like the truck, but charging is a serious problem.
I'm saying it, really from 2025 on, every car larger than a model Y needs to be 800v. Tesla kinda can get a pass because they'll burst >600A down low, but with real v4s rolling out with any big refresh on the S/X, there's no excuses if they don't implement an 800v architecture. We know they can do it on CT. Let's see what Ford does for T3, it better be wild.
LER, great truck, but range and charging led me to get out of it. I'm in the Sierra EV now, and leagues better. The only thing I liked about the charging strategy in the LER was the flat curve. It made it easy to calculate stops on long road trips as the native charging app was awful. I drove 20k miles in 9 months on my Lightning across middle America, and the stops were just too much. Especially, in sub 65 degree weather where you'd lose 25% range, and another 25% loss at 70mph. I can't tell you how much time I spent parked at a charger. I'm not hardcore like some who claim that if you go 20mph under the speed limit you can tow long distances, so outside of local trips I refused to use it for towing. I give Ford a pass since they along with Rivian were first to sell EV trucks to the masses. However, there's no way I'd go back to that, and GM now has an alternative that's light years ahead in range and charging. Truck itself is great. If Ford could just replace charging hardware and battery to increase charging speed and range that would make it competitive in its current iteration; even if they left everything else unchanged.
Feels like this covers part of the problem but may not be the whole picture. Much like horsepower is a great number but, absent weight, can be meaningless. The Silverado curve is great but that battery is huge so the time may be good but the cost may not be. I know it can be difficult to measure but how does the efficiency & cost factor in? Does that charging speed cost significantly more?
These are just terrible trucks and have no value whatsoever. Owners should be definitely looking at selling soon for 20-30% of original sticker price. Especially blue ones with higher spec, the big battery and Pro Power. You won't need the charging station or NACS adapter either, the next awesome shiny thing will have those. You might see your old truck parked at a charger and chuckle at the poor current owner, who will take *hours* longer to make it across country, probably not towing anything. It will be sad.
Out of Spec Testing starts now ⚡️
I'm in!
Fantastic. I don't like what he said about my truck, but fantastic none the less.
Thanks Kyle and glad to see Ryan having a channel!!!
Hi can you guys talk more about cost to dc charge as well as charge speed
@ you can expect to pay $0.40 to $0.60 per kWh to fast charge. If you pay for slower, level 2 charging, then maybe $0.15 to $0.25 per kWh. If you mostly home charge, then charging on the road isn’t so much a matter of price but necessity.
I own a 2023 Ford Lightning Lariat.
I was Charging the other day at Nouria Wareham Ma using a 100kw charger and started off at 29% and started of at around 42kw then it ramped up to 73kw to 76kw till I reached 80%.
I added 72kw of energy and it took 1hr to charge.
Feels great being the 8th Subscriber of a channel that will surely be at 100k+ eventually :)
And agree Fords charging strategy needs some reform, boosts/steps/artificial limits are very gen 1 EV
There are several software updates on the DCFC module that supports longer boost and 500amp charging.
It could change the charging experience significantly
I'd like to see the Silverado or Sierra EV tests next comparing it to the Lightning.
just randomly found this channel...congrats on another channel. What do we do on this channel?
does the F150's battery degrade less overtime?
Sooooooooo, what if I charge to 80%, then disconnect and reconnect? Do I get that boost for 10 minutes to get me to 90% fast vs waiting?
STLA can't come out with the Ram REV soon enough, I need to see it's charging curve compared to this.
While it is true that the Lightning has a slower charging curve, it really is a great truck and is great for a lot of use cases. Is it the ideal road tripper? Absolutely not, but if I was road tripping enough for it to truly matter I would do the M3 Highland Long range. For me the Lightning works, just takes some planing like charging while having a sit down meal 😢
I understand the 2024 is able to boost to 500a so that it gets a speed boost during that 10 minutes, but still VERY slow. I do like the flat charging curve, but Ford needs to ramp this up to 800v+ and get into the hunt. Charging is one of the biggest weak links with the Lightning. Overall I like the truck, but charging is a serious problem.
I'm saying it, really from 2025 on, every car larger than a model Y needs to be 800v. Tesla kinda can get a pass because they'll burst >600A down low, but with real v4s rolling out with any big refresh on the S/X, there's no excuses if they don't implement an 800v architecture. We know they can do it on CT. Let's see what Ford does for T3, it better be wild.
LER, great truck, but range and charging led me to get out of it. I'm in the Sierra EV now, and leagues better. The only thing I liked about the charging strategy in the LER was the flat curve. It made it easy to calculate stops on long road trips as the native charging app was awful.
I drove 20k miles in 9 months on my Lightning across middle America, and the stops were just too much. Especially, in sub 65 degree weather where you'd lose 25% range, and another 25% loss at 70mph. I can't tell you how much time I spent parked at a charger. I'm not hardcore like some who claim that if you go 20mph under the speed limit you can tow long distances, so outside of local trips I refused to use it for towing. I give Ford a pass since they along with Rivian were first to sell EV trucks to the masses. However, there's no way I'd go back to that, and GM now has an alternative that's light years ahead in range and charging.
Truck itself is great. If Ford could just replace charging hardware and battery to increase charging speed and range that would make it competitive in its current iteration; even if they left everything else unchanged.
Thanks for the insight! The Sierra EV definitely has a massive advantage when it comes to both range and charging.
Keep in mind it’s almost half the price of the other trucks (SR owner only cost me 37k)
Feels like this covers part of the problem but may not be the whole picture. Much like horsepower is a great number but, absent weight, can be meaningless. The Silverado curve is great but that battery is huge so the time may be good but the cost may not be. I know it can be difficult to measure but how does the efficiency & cost factor in? Does that charging speed cost significantly more?
ok this is annoying now. why did we need another channel......
Minimum on any ev should be 30 mins from 10 to 80%
These are just terrible trucks and have no value whatsoever. Owners should be definitely looking at selling soon for 20-30% of original sticker price. Especially blue ones with higher spec, the big battery and Pro Power. You won't need the charging station or NACS adapter either, the next awesome shiny thing will have those. You might see your old truck parked at a charger and chuckle at the poor current owner, who will take *hours* longer to make it across country, probably not towing anything. It will be sad.