I Made a Palm Impact Wrench: Dyno Test + Nailers!
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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Today we test the Astro Onyx 1830 and 1831 palm impact wrenches.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST ALAERT: I designed the original version/prototype of this tool, so while none of us benefit financially from it selling, it might not come as a surprise that A) we like it and B) it does well on the dyno it was developed on. If another review shows up, we'll link to that here in the interest of not being blindly biased idiots.
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NOTICE: I designed the original version/prototype of this tool, so while none of us benefit financially from it selling, it might not come as a surprise that A) we like it and B) it does well on the dyno it was developed on. If another review shows up, we'll link to that here in the interest of not being blindly biased idiots.
I love seeing tools like this born from an idea! And under a car, that palm impact is a game changer! Less weight over your head makes it safer for us! Takes one slip and you hurt yourself
It would be awesome to see a pass through palm impact for long bolts.
@@paedahe4975 I've seen air air ratchet like that. But it's like $160 PER SIZE (15mm, 16mm, 17mm ect)
I feel like you should get a least something for your idea
@@TorqueTestChannel Have you tested the Klein pass through on this channel? The one that take DeWalt batteries?
mechanics always come up with the best ideas....too bad it's a real feat to get it patented...I had a few tools yrs ago and it would have cost $5000 dollars then just to do a patent search...can't compete against the big boys when those kinds of dollars are being thrown around
I was told it was already in the process of being copied before it came out, as Taiwain is a small island and word gets around. It's how it goes. Honestly if someone makes a better one for less why shouldn't you buy it? Because I need an atta boy pat on the head? Use what works.
You'd be surprised to see how many of your "original" ideas have already been patented 50 or 100 years ago.
@@fascistpedant758 That happens alot. For example, the invention of the Fast Fourier Transform (a common and widely used computer algorithm) often gets credited to James Cooley and John Tukey in the 1960s. But the basic algorithm was invented by Carl Frederick Gauss in 1805. But at the time, there wasn't much use for it, so it sat virtually unknown until computers got invented.
@@fascistpedant758 But left to rot because it's technically illegal to produce such tools/ideas cos the "originators" just sit on it. Puts a real [insert offensive word of your choice] up the **** of independent parallel discovery too.
@@fascistpedant758 absolutely. My step fathers uncle held many patents, but many of his best ideas were already taken. He has books with notes and ideas and successful patents. Very smart man, thought in ways that normal men couldn't. He was also schizophrenic. He would lock himself up for days while working on his ideas.
It's really satisfying finally seeing your R&D at Astro bearing fruit.
There's a few more things with my hand in it coming out or has recently, we'll sprinkle some here and there when we think it would be cool to cover. But not really something we want to focus on
@@TorqueTestChannel I can understand not wanting to focus on your own work when the channel thrives on variety.
Speaking of variety, can you get your hands on a Jonnesway air wrench? They're more refined than the Central Pneumatic air ratchet, but I'm interested in how it might compare to a Chicago Pneumatic air ratchet.
Ever since I saw this on Astro's website I knew it would show up here eventually. This is genius. Well done coming up with it and getting it approved. This will definitely be helpful in RV and bus engine compartments. Thanks for your continued diligence.
As a millwright that often has just enough room for his hand to be in a machine, I would love having something like this. Great job
Your work at Astro Pneumatic is finally bearing fruit. I always look forward to your videos in Friday. Thanks.
You really NAILED IT with this video.
I hate you
I appreciate your honesty both in testing and history of the new tool. This is the reason this channel is so highly rated and trusted.
You mentioning bellhousing bolts made me interested in that frankenstein creation. I'll keep it in mind should I start getting more of that kind of work in the future.
Also, I never though about it before, but those palm nailers might be a pretty nice addition for tight spaces when the normal air hammer won't fit...
The palm impact looks handy!
Palmy.. looks palmy....
The fact that there is an Impact like that Onyx is amazing when it comes to the current technology.
Amazing job TTC! Keep up the great work!
That remote impact seems like a case I don't know what I'm missing until I have it. On newer semi trucks there one particular trans bell housing bolt that I always struggle with. Usually I resort to the long cordless ratchet neutral drop routine, but this seems like a genuinely great alternative to that.
Yeah, sometimes uses for a tool show up after you get it. In my case, I picked up a cordless hot glue gun in a 'well why not?' moment. I've used that glue gun a surprising number of times.
I can think of numerous times where this palm impact would have been such a knuckle saver. What a cool idea!
@torquetestchannel - awesome idea and tool, can't believe we actually haven't seen something like this on the market before now. I imagine this will benefit quite a few mechanics and even some DIY'ers. awesome job mate!
Most of the difficulty is in making an impact head that small make power, which super modern air impacts can - so I just added a hose really
@@TorqueTestChannel it is still genius, even if the contribution was small to the effort, the overall product is genius
I love that you gave them an idea and they made it, props to Astro for listening to customers!
He does work for them in r&d, which probably helps.
Super cool, I could see an M12 Fuel or Dewalt Xtreme 12V version of this where the battery, chip sets and switch are remote, with a 0-gauge cable leading to a handheld palm-style brushless motor and mechanism.
oh cable :)
If you're putting the battery on a tether, there is no reason to limit yourself to 12v.
@@Kineth1 Right! Why not use 120 volts and no batteries at that point? /s
Many years ago I 'designed' a 'remoted' hammerdrill for use by a robot in confined spaces in the Great Pyramid in Egypt (of all places). Drill a hole, stick a borescope in; that sort of thing. We bought the fanciest DeWalt cordless, I think it was 24V, and took it apart to suitably repackage the thing. I remember doing current measurements out back behind the lab, drilling 3/4" holes into old concrete barricades and the like. We saw ~100A for 10's or seconds at a time - presumably until the BMS cried uncle. Sizing the cable needed to put the battery a couple feet away (long skinny robot, drill at the front, battery at the back) was no fun at all.
@@hiugyuhgf I was thinking of the ubiquitous 20v batteries that each manufacturer also makes.
You sir have made the million dollar idea congrats on this masterpiece 👏
That is so dope astro Made a 3/8 and 1/2 palm Impact off your Design and idea @Torque Test Channel
You guys are awesome. Glad to see your ideas getting fragmented into actual development
First warning label I've seen in a long time that is probably needed. hahahha
You had me at palm being able to use it as a bola is just icing on the cake.
That's a awesome idea. Congratulation on the new product
Found your channel about a week to two weeks ago, with the Milwaukee 2767-20 Impact H96A VS H96B, and have been hooked on your other videos since. I don't really have any need to buy an impact wrench, but find you to be both easy to follow and honest facts about the power of the tools you show. Thank you for your honest tests and showing which tools to absolutely stay away from, and showing that Kobalt is a decent battery family for those starting out and with a budget.
I saw this video months ago when it was first posted, been looking for an excuse to buy one and the engineers at John Deere finally gave me a reason.
Got it shipping to my house right now, thank you for designing this tool
That air palm thing is easily the coolest tool I've seen, now I just need to find something to need it for lmao
that's awesome that they built a tool based on your design input. congrats.
I think you really nailed it at the end. This will be perfect for the times when the only way to get a regular impact on the bolt is a Frankenstein of extensions and swivels.
WOW! What an awesome idea. Not for me as a home mechanic, but if I was a pro, this would absolutely be in my toolbox.
Added to my wish list. Can't wait. Thanks for sharing.
I bought the pair just as soon as I saw Clay Koon show one on his MTN video a few months ago. Very few know how many companies rely on Astro for a huge selection of products, I've been to the repair center/warehouse just east of Los Angeles, lots of boxes with high end company names on them there.
Love the creativity!
Dude I've been talking about this exact thing I can't believe you made it and astro listend... thank God
You know it's funny, I have to do a clutch job on my 3rd Gen. 4runner soon and I was thinking damn that would be nice to get the bell housing bolts out and then you said it at the end of the video. because last time I had to do one I needed at least 2ft of extensions with an air impact. You've got me sold
Nice! I need it! I work on compact Japanese cars so this is exactly what the doctor ordered.
I saw that on amazon! Sick!
Love that it's being sold now
This is a cool idea. It isn't every day someone comes up with a whole new concept in a mature market. I don't need one, but I'm happy to know it exists.
I would definitely purchase your new design if TTC got some royalties.
Only buy tools that are useful to you, we dont need your $
@@TorqueTestChannel This right here is why we trust you guys so much. Keep up the good work and I'm gonna keep repping my impact shirt :)
@@TorqueTestChannel I certainly meant no offense.
TTC is a fantastic channel that I've greatly enjoyed.
This little palm gun and a co2 tank is perfect for off road emergency repairs, as in my experience broken parts have less clearance and generally aren’t the super tight mounts that get busted up. I’m seriously considering getting a power tank just for this now, as I’ve been running battery tools for this emergency task previously. But this allows a killer air up and emergency repair kit in less space than both previously took up, which is critical for small Jeeps. Seriously I love this idea and I want to test it out on the trails… just not on my Jeep.
A two handed compact impact wrench. Well that's something I never thought of
Omg that Milwaukee Palm Cordless Nailer is huge @Torque Test Channel
Would love to see how the new 12v skil brushless nailer stacks up against the m12 palm nailer.
Never used a palm nailer for its intended purpose, however i did make a different hammer for one to use as sort of a handheld planishing hammer for sheet metal work. So far it is one of my favorite tools, very fast when needed, yet can be very gentle and controllable. Works wonderfully for hammering out smaller dents in car bodies.
As far as air tools in general go, it would be interesting to see a test between two tools where one had some intake work done (port/polish, larger valve, larger hose even) and the other had the same on the exhaust (port/polish, drilled out exhaust ports). On one hand, more air=more better. On the other, making 'spent' air flow out easier would increase pressure difference between in and out, giving the tool more power.
This was a super fun video, thanks!
Those palm nailers work great with a pneumatic hammer bit to get in tight spots that a regular length one would not
I sometimes use a palm nailer when I don't have space to swing a hammer under a car. You might need to make a small punch or chisel for it but it's sometimes useful.
I will definitely look into getting one of these!
Good idea.
Very handy tool, no pun intended.
Oh _suuuuuure,_ you don't care AT ALL how well this tool sells, which is totally why you did a good job engineering it.
Some cool stuff, I have been running the p air palm nailer for a few years
Great video and I like the remote air valve. I worked at a place that had a 1 inch drive and the air valve was on the back of a handle and the nut on the u bolt loosened and pined his hand to the concrete with the air valve full open. Luckily someone heard him yelling and turned the air off at the wall. I don't remember how you changed directions on it but it messed up his hand a little bit.
That is the most ridiculously hilariously wonderful thing I've seen in a while 🤣
ngl, with the advent and power of modern cordless impact wrenches, Ive been struggling to find a reason to have my own air impact, but holy crap that palm design is amazingly compact, especially without the handle
man i just saw those for sale not long ago and was like sic, of course he had something to do with it haha love astro so underrated, so many guys at auto school never heard of em
TTC, has anyone sent in Masterforce (Menards) brand tools? Us folks in the Midwest would love to know if they are any good.
Really interesting! It makes me think though, there are kits for regulating down high pressure air tanks for paintball to air tools. How much run time and performance hit would one of those give you on a palm impact? If it works decently it seems like an amazing combo.
Very cool idea.
Great job
That thing is awesome
I was JUST THINKING about something like this. Well, more like welding the end of an auger to a socket and seeing what happens, but this looks way safer and better!
I love that you went to astro n were like bro n they were like bro we got you
That is awesome thanks for sharing the video and idea
i've got the small Bosch palm nailer. works great between floor joists and for stuff yer holding together with yer other hand. the palm impact is a good idea
I once used a mini air rattle gun to pull off an L76 crank bolt on a VE Commodore; it was my boss's car. The mini rattle gun had high RPM, it smooshed my hand between the crank bolt/rattle gun and the thematic fans. It tore the skin off my hand.
Great video! Thanks!
well you dispelled the notion of some of the applications I was thinking of. But I guess really specialized and repeat processes on certain bolts. Maybe Assembly line work?
The tool truck at my work has them on it. Pretty cool
You made suggestion and a company actually made the thing?
Wow, that almost never happens anymore.
So many companies come out and say "don't give us suggestions for new products or improvements".
Always nice to have another option.
Take a few "atta boy"s out of petty cash,
You have earned them!
It is also cool to see a brand name palm nailer.
I almost bought a no name one at Menards way back when we were renovating our house but I figured it would blow up on the 31st day and I would be stuck with a paper weight.
I will have to look up what Metabo/HPTs warranty is.
I still don't understand that rebrand.
"We bought a middle of the pack power tool brand. Let's use our high end brand on them but not beef up the design any.
No way that will dilute the value of our brand right?"
Watching this gave me a dumb idea about right angle impacts like the Kolbalt. I wonder how they would stack up on the ratchet gauntlet vs just the Dyno.
Very good idea.. no doubt this could be "handy"...I'm definitely going to buy one...☝️
Someones got influence in the tool world now! 😆👍
That's so fun!
I JUST watched a Short where someone used a cordless palm nailer to remove a ball joint. Seems not unuseful.
Saw it as well and bam, had this video pop into my feed. Would love to see them test the skil
@@jimmyvaught the a l g o r i t h m!
That thing is super cool! sometimes my battery gets in the way of my angle impact or it's too long
well done man. tx for sharing
Good stuff! I can see many uses for this. Btw, what tool is that shown at 9:38?
I'm blown away guy, this is legitimately a good idea. There may be some spaces a right angle wouldn't fit as well plus the power is excellent in that small package. How big of a compressor is acceptable for running one of these?
only need a 10gal compressor, 130psi static
When I was working on rollercoasters that would of been amazing. Especially for an RMC raptor
I highly recommend doing a dyno test on the new Skil 12v & 20V 3/8 impact wrenches
Neat idea
perhaps use a bolt in yer dyno with a 1/2" square hole so you can attach a 1/2" square anvil w/o using a socket. that way you can determine any loss due to the socket itself, perhaps find which brand is best at transferring torque to the load
Could you have a threaded knurled pipe slinding on the hose part?
You could fasten it to the head to make a handle, and it would be out of the way when not.
The only thing I can see that would make it better would be a swivel end air fitting on the base of the tool where the hose mounts. This thing is phenomenal
Video suggestion. Tire inflation tools speed and accuracy. I inflate semi tires as high as 120psi and I remove the valve core till it inflates to target pressure. Then install the core. Some chuck just barely bleed air in. Others don't have enough grip to install the chuck and walk away
I wonder how small you can make the palm impact and still get a usable 75-100lbs? Or something like the 3/8" mini impact ratchet wrench but with the remote throttle and flexible hose.
Thats a pretty neat tool! 137$ doesn't seem that bad either for what it is
is the air line easily swapped just in case someone wants to install a longer (or possibly shorter) line and valve?
Fascinating.
Ever person who is a mechanic needs to watch this channel.... would settle a lot of arguments haha 😄
Need it. So need it.
I have the 1/2” version of this palm impact. While powerful, it does have its downside also.
1. The air trigger valve is too sensitive. Needs a safety feature similar to a die grinder. While working on suspension components the tool was accidentally triggered a few times while being moved around on the ground with all the other tools in the area. This also caused sockets to come off the tool and go flying. Go ahead,put a socket on a swivel head, and then put that on the tool. Take your chances and squeeze the air valve with no load on the tool. It’s like playing Russian roulette.
2. No 3rd hand. 1 hand to hold a wrench on a bolt head, one hand to hold the impact, and use what to activate the air valve?
I bought a palm nailer from Harbor Freight. Haven't used it much but it's sure nice in tight areas.
Is the hose on this impact replaceable if it gets damaged or would I need to replace the whole impact?
Good information. you might want to check out the Skil PWR CORE Brushless 12V Auto Hammer. I have one of these and it works great and I would like to see you review this against the palm nailers.
Great work....Could we see some of the Napa air tools?
Nice little powerhouse. Also doubles as a medieval flail weapon for the the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
@torquetestchannel have you even seen the old ridgid R8224K. Came get them anymore but would love to see it on a Dyno just got fun
Would love to see different brands of palm nailers
Dude, Ridgid used to make a tool literally called the "palm impact screwdriver"
Since they stopped making them, their value has gone off the rails.
On eBay, they're selling for up to $300. New they were $99(?)
I found one at a pawn shop, and got lucky, getting it for $60 with charger and battery
This has given me this idea and hopefully someone will create it but could they not do the same thing with a power cord with a dc plug on one end and a battery attachment at the other?
I have an air palm nailer and have only used it a few times. I've grown to haaaaate using air tools. Being on both m12 and skil 12v, I'm really interested in a comparison of that m12 nailer vs the Skil 12v 'Auto Hammer'. To me, the form factor of the Skil looks more functional, and if it's even close to the m12, that would cement my decision.
Agreed, I think the skil auto hammer is a sweet tool, and would love to see it tested here
I've been an Engineer for nearly 35 years, and the Intellectual Property (IP) Agreements that employees sign states that any idea you come up with during the period of employment working for a given company is theirs. This is true for what you develop at their office, while commuting to/from, or even what you think of at night when you're sleeping or on vacation. So things are pretty well locked down. The only way to get real credit and income from a patent is to a) be self employed and not work for anyone, b) come up with your own idea, c) perform all the IP "prior art" research, d) employ your own IP Attorney, and so forth. It's a bitch!!
Often times, just coming up with an idea and getting credit for it, is the best one can hope for. I'd be impressed if TTC got a bonus or other perc. Being Engineers isn't as easy as many think.
Love the channel and your contributions to the community!