The Boy Crisis | Warren Farrell | Forward with Andrew Yang
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2022
- Warren Farrell discusses declining achievement among boys, listening with empathy, and finding purpose and fulfillment.
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30:57 “Lois Lane had no interest in Clark Kent, but she falls in love with Superman”
That hit hard
This is one of the most important podcasts I've heard. I'm a therapist who has been working with men and their families for more than fifty years. The male suicide rate is 3-17 times higher than it is for females. Warren correctly recognizes that anger turned inwards can lead to suicide. Turned outward it can lead to murder. Yet, both suicide and homicide can be prevented if we recognized that anger covers a great deal of hurt, fear, guilt, and shame. There truly is a boy crisis and a man crisis. Unfortunately, the crisis has been hidden for too long. Thank you for bringing it out in the light. I hope you will continue to be an advocate.
Thanks Jed, a very well-stated matter of fact!
I want to know how I can help with this. I’m not a guy, but I’m a mom of a boy. I know that things are different for my kid as I’m married and have the privilege to send him to a boys only private school if I choose to (and the school takes him/he wants to go there), but I want to be able to help before anything even could happen. Advice to us moms - of all socio-economic backgrounds would be great. Don’t forget that regardless of privilege, we moms are still expected to play a bigger role in the home and family.
@@cynthiachengmintz672 You may want to start helping by reading Farrell's 2018 "The Boy Crisis." See if Amazon has sample pages to read before buying.
@@cynthiachengmintz672 Here is your advise a women can not raise a boy to become a man no matter how much propaganda and societal brainwashing says the opposite, always remember this. outside of that, going have to figure out the rest.
My Dad completely failed as a father for my brother and I, but my Mom had the wisdom to enroll us both in Boy Scouts. We achieved Eagle, were inducted into the Order of the Arrow, trained at White Stag, and worked as camp counselors. We made lifelong friends and found careers.
Mentorship and brotherhood are everything.
@Thirsty Slayer YaNG and Farrell are WEAK. So is Tim Goldich. Fact is the world is controlled by Satan, and wo-MEN are more Satanic than MEN, it's in the bible. Another words the world justifies wo-MEN whatever they do. So you're correct, Yang & Farrell are wrong, so is Tim Goldich. They are weak. wo-MEN are in fact LESS stable than MEN and have NO agency. It's just that the world accommodates wo-MEN regardless of their behavior
@@josephesposito3499 That's some foolish, delusional raving you have there. Seek professional help.
This was such a good episode. I listened to it twice back-to-back while tending to my garden all day on President's Day. Every time Andrew or Warren would touch on something that really spoke to me I'd have to pause and really think about it which is all I could ever ask for in a thoughtful discussion like this.
Please keep having these conversations, they're so damn important...
You know it!...
OMG can Yang PLEASE become president some time? I really think he could be a great help regarding the political divides in this country. His willingness to discuss issues ignored by either or both sides is a great bridge.
Imagine what a Yang presidency would be like, the forces that be would sabotage his every act. the only solution is systemic and cultural change.
Jordan Peterson's words echo throughout, "Where will we be without men? Men are doing impossible things."
We have a systemic belief that men are expendable in the USA. Men dying in wars is expected, but the idea of women dying on the battlefield, disturbs the psyche. Fantastic subject and quality discussion on the vital importance of the crisis.
47:32 "Anger is vulnerabilities' mask. Almost every time you see someone that is angry you can ask a different question. How are they hurt? What is their vulnerability? And if you ask that question you begin to listen to their pain. And when you listen to their pain and don't argue with them about their pain but just let them know what you hear that they said, then you will se an enormous reduction in their anger. That's the way to deal with angry people. Not by making them into horrible people that you hate. Because hate met y hate only increases hate."
Right. Like in the case of angry or violent people, I think we need to take a bonobo-style approach. Get them under control first and foremost so they don't hurt themselves or others, then empathize with them and help them recover. Our focus instead is almost punitive. We act like anger is fundamental to their personality and that they should be punished into submission, which only makes the situation worse.
I'm 24, I lived out on my own paycheck to paycheck from 19 to just when I turned 24. I've worked low wage jobs my entire adult life, and now I've had to move back home with my family to go to community College. I'm just sick of feeling like a loser for living at home. I work EVERY day. I do school and I have a part time job that means I do not have any days off. I exercise everyday and am an extremely hard worker but still I get nowhere. I just hate hearing people talk about what losers men who live with their families are. I'm saving my money this way and trying as hard as I can to make a life for myself. I just can't afford an apartment in Austin while working 35 hours a week, plus a full time student schedule. I hate how my self worth feels determined by if women like me, and I hate that women liking me seems to have little to do with my character and everything to do with how much money I can generate. I feel everything you guys are talking about. This is an important topic.
Stay the course, young man. I am 61, and grew up in an abusive, Freudian nightmare. That you are 24 and have this kind of awareness speaks volumes to your character. The things you speak to, concerning the values of this society around money and the labels of "winners" and "losers", as well as the rest of the cultural/societal messaging, are not what is going to feed your soul. "It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society..." Krishnamurti. Listen to your gut and decide what your values are; they may change, but if you compromise on who you are for the sake of not being alone or of assimilating to the status quo, you may find yourself profoundly miserable.
You shouldn't be made to feel bad about living with your family since, as you stated, you work every day. If you were using living with your family as an excuse to sit around and do nothing then fine, but what you are doing is leveraging the advantages/connections you have in order to avoid paying absurdly high rent which would hamstring you economically until you can get your own finances in order. There's absolutely no shame in that.
"Success" requires two things, preparation and opportunity. You can only control one of those things because opportunity is basically the luck of the draw. However, you are putting yourself in a position to capitalize on an opportunity when it comes, stay the course and remember that your opportunity hasn't come yet. It has nothing to do with a failing on your part. and it will come around. As for women, don't be afraid to put yourself out there. The issues your describing around success are not exclusive to men, most women can sympathize. The biggest detractor is self doubt, be confident in your course and I think you will be surprised to the reaction you get. At 24 I was let's say not as mature as you are, I took much longer to hit my stride. I am happily married with kids now.
Any women with some sense will see that you are making good decisions. Dont try to impress an audience that isnt worth impressing.
Man, all y'alls responses are more encouragement than I'm used to hearing. Thank you all! Genuinely it means a lot. It honestly gives me hope
17:00 That cab driver story really hit me. I pray that everyone appreciates the sacrifices made by those who came before them to create an opportunity for their own success.
That story struck a nerve for me as well. It wasn’t the girl’s fault for thinking those things of her father, it is what the system is teaching people.
@@jdroy2291 That's a great point although a part of me thinks that if someone told me my parents were wrong in how they raised me I would stick up for them. But that's just my experience and not everyone has the same parenting experience growing up. I know they made some mistakes (they've even said so) but I never doubted their intentions.
@@barak-rocky-giles2081 In my first comment I was thinking of the girl’s experience at college. I think that college overall needs to be geared to be more discussion based with the professors teaching of multiple viewpoints and without bias. Obviously there are many great colleges out their that do many great things but obviously the girl’s change in opinion in Warren’s story happened after experiencing college.
@@jdroy2291 I agree. That makes sense.
The show has really hit a topic that totally needs to be brought mainstream! Great job!
Andrew, Warren, thank you for advocating for children, dads, and equality!
This guest and episode is very relevant in all types of ways. Andrew Yang spits out episodes as soon as he makes them.
Thank you Andrew and Warren, for bringing this rich discussion to the public. The subject is vital for healing the people of our society.
When i was a senior in HS in the 70's boys had the option of auto mech or masonry vocational class. I chose masonry and got hired in construction after HS where there were alot of good hard working male role models for me. I don't think even have vocational/ trade scool classes for kids nowadays, it's all about tech and coding now.
I was forced to take a genders study class in college and it was biased of course. Whenever I tried to express my natural male opinion that i picked up from my environment they would treat me like a troll instead of taking my questions seriously and teaching me something new. The other guys in the class didnt agree with me but they also felt she was being unfair to me
The crux of what is wrong. That you had questions and asked questions is the purpose of learning. Please don't give up on topic. You could be a leader in the healing!!! 💖
It takes courage to be in the minority and tell people what that's like. Don't give up. Be who you are and be kind.
Same here! That and some false accusations ended up taking me down a rabbithole that was ultimately what we now call "incel". I became bitter, confused, and met with a bleak outlook on gender relations. I did read some Warren Farrell, but in my case what pulled me out was Christopher Ryan who offered a much more reasonable narrative.
Now, I really empathize with boys and young men who find themselves stuck in that rabbithole. I hope to see them recover. But our apathy towards struggling boys has us more concerned about how to punish them for their pain rather than help them out of it.
You should have quit that school. wo-MEN are not to be teachers. Corinthians Apostle PAUL
@@webx135 Warren is a good MAN but he's WEAK.
Ive had limited contact with my father and havent had many other male role models in my life. My mother made the wise decision to involve me in boy scouts from a very early age and I believe it was instrumental in helping me become a well rounded human being.
Now the girls can join the boy scouts. Goodbye to any male bastion. Girls are violating BOYS by infiltrating every MALE institution, much like girls are complaining about boys infiltrating their sports. Girls are also attacking boys with provocative dress. This video is deficient in not addressing these factors.
Perhaps your mother should have made sure that you had a long term relationship with your father.
Eh, the limited contact I had indicates that boyscouts may have been the better option lol. But yes perhaps.
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It's really quite telling that the reaction on Twitter to Yang's call to talk about men & boys' issues, was met with overwhelming negativity, hate and vitriol from women.
There really is something seriously wrong with the way we are raising young girls to view men & boys. Because at this point, women genuinely look at men as something that they need to "overcome". As something that is "oppressing" them, and by proxy, are unworthy of compassion & help... and if they're hurting in any way, it's all men's own fault anyway, because "patriarchy hurts men too". This despite the fact that there is absolutely ZERO evidence that we live in some supposed boogeyman "patriarchy".
These ideologues literally blame men for all of human suffering and then have the nerve to call that "caring about men". As I said, at this point, women really don't see men as human anymore. Not as individuals. Not as "people". They see men as something "toxic". Something "trash". Something "oppressive". It's really quite damaging to raise boys in such an environment & it's not at all a good strategy for long term dating in women's case, b/c all we're going to get in the end are weak, incompetent boys that women aren't naturally attracted to anyway.
Mentally Healthy men will treat women with respect and dignity. This ideals talked about on this video helps women just as much as men.
@@jdroy2291 I don't freely grant people "respect" regardless of gender. And frankly, I have seen so much rampant bigotry & anger on women's side that it's become hard for me to even truly "care" for them anymore. Yes, there are obviously still women out there with angel personalities. But in terms of young, middle to upper class, college educated, Western women? I'd say the vast majority of them are absolutely nuts & extremely entitled. It's ridiculously off-puting as a guy & widely unattractive behavior.
@@SabatSch95 The previously strong bond between men and women in marriage is becoming weaker. Women can do a better job respecting men and men can do a better job of respecting women. It is in prosperous and constructive learning families that gives children the best chance to succeed.
@@jdroy2291 I don't think men can or "need" to do a better job "respecting women". I honestly think men should start with standing up for themselves and putting women in their place. And I don't mean that in a "go back to the kitchen" way. I mean that in a "stop with your childish and pathetic tantrums about 'male privilege' and 'toxic masculinity', start taking responsibility for your own lives and treat men like actual HUMAN BEINGS instead of these inherently 'trash monsters'. Maybe then, we can compete as equals & see which individual deserves the highest place in any given hierarchy. Period". But no... young men, are either beaten into submission by this feminist lunacy & have given up and "gone their own way" (which I think is a huge mistake and a massive problem for society and the men themselves), or they feel like they need to pander to these women, which has led to the creation of a generation of men who are simps. It's outright pathetic.
Very, VERY few men actually call this stuff out. And I don't just mean on the internet, I mean irl, when a woman is facing them. As a result, women are almost never challenged on their newly created contempt for men. So they feel completely morally justified in perpetuating it. Because men "deserve it" after all.
This needs to stop. And it isn't going to stop by pretending like "men need to respect women too". Men are not going around calling women "trash". They're not constantly degrading femininity by calling it "toxic" and "fragile" and "insecure". They don't shame and mock women with insults like "female tears". They don't make these ridiculous conspiracy theories about living in some "matriarchy" that is oppressing us all. Men do none of that.
Do abusive men exist that treat women like absolute garbage? Yes they do. My father was like that, so I have first hand experience what that looks like, much better than basically all of these privileged female whiners from my generation. But these few toxic men, are equalled by toxic women. It makes zero sense to make this a gender issue.
Yes, I cannot lie, my innate desire is to treat women with more care & love. That's just how men work. But when you constantly see who you thought were your female "friends" fall victim to this ideological lunacy & start perpetuating these insane ideas, then it starts to become very hard for me to even care about their well-being, since they clearly have nothing but contempt for mine.
There is no "two sides" to this issue. There is no "male counterpart". This is entirely women's fault & it's really become a massive problem. And it's easily proven by looking at how popular feminism is vs how popular MRA is. Very few men care or even know of MRA. Most of the class of women I described are openly and proudly feminist. So as I said, it's a female created problem. Tends to happen when you demonize an entire gender for a hundred years and are allowed to get away with it. Now we have a generation full of women who outright hate and fear men. And the feminists keep the hate machine going, because without inflating the supposed issue of "misogyny", they'd be out of business, which is why it's in their best interest to keep women afraid and resentful. That's all it boils down to.
@@SabatSch95 thanks for your coment you are not alone in this frustration feminism is cancer.
I'm so glad to hear honest discussions about this. I worked briefly for a year in a high school (graduate student works with HS teacher). I learned so much about where we are at with primary education during that time. One thing that struck me was how much attention was paid to women's participation in various classes/activities--mostly STEM. Don't get me wrong, those little ladies were doing really well with whatever they set their minds to, had plenty of support and encouragement, and were snapping up all the extra opportunities and resources. I was impressed by some of the student initiated learning that was happening with the women students. But the boys....just despondent. Even the strong male students were completely disengaged. I had a favorite male student that was way ahead of his peers and would isolate himself a bit (he was constantly a new kid because military family). I once pulled him aside and said, "hey, you're really smart, you read well, and you write well--have you thought about what you're interested in doing?" And he told me that it didn't matter because it was all pointless anyway. It wasn't just him though, many of the strong male students were completely bored, disinterested, discouraged, etc.
I got strongly criticized and silenced in several discussions with fellow graduate students in the program when I simply stated that I'm "a little worried about the boys." Even after I explained, they would say that they'll be fine and they're boys so they can just leverage the advantages they already have. The boys were mostly lower middle class and below, so I don't know what they were talking about. They seemed pretty disadvantaged.
Something I’ve noticed about the last decade of students I’ve taught is that most of the high-performing girls have gone on to excellent lives and careers, and that an enormous amount of the high-performing boys have dropped off the face of the earth, gotten involved in drugs, given up on their dreams. There was one class I taught where literally every single boy in it - all high-performing - dropped out of the program and hasn’t gone on to anything remotely fulfilling.
The lack of compassion educators have for them is astounding.
@@andrewfox368 Again, I call bullshit on your post. Reality, is that MOST wo-MEN with careers end up with their cats after 2 or 3 divorces.
Great comment. The reason this social pattern you describe, will blow up eventually is obvious: Jordan Peterson said he has counselled hundreds of high achieving women at high end law firms. These were girls that aced school, did extremely well in university, became lawyers and made partner before 30. But then they wanted to quit law. Why? They wanted to be mommies. Management bent over backwards to keep these women around, they were extremely useful to the firm, but biology called.
Paul Joseph Watson has a video called No More Eggs. Edinburgh University scientists figured out female fertility, with numbers: By age 30 about 90% of a woman's eggs are dead. By age 40 about 98% of a woman's eggs are dead. Human females evolved to have their children in their early 20s. That's why on scientific surveys, men worldwide say the preferable age for females when they are most attractive, is age 22.
Women now at Jordan Peterson's University of Toronto now outnumber men 70:30. Trouble is, women only marry up. Feminists were right: women are very competitive and can do just as well as a man. However: Women have outcompeted men now, so much there's not enough men for them to pair up with for families, they created their own shortage of men, by their success. Women being successful lessens their chance of love. With men it's the opposite: the more success they have, the more likely it is, women find them attractive. Men judge women primarily on looks and age, women do this far less, for men. With women, they judge men more on his status. They like a good looking man but his status is more important. Men don't care about a woman's economic or social status. Nada. So now we have created a society where girls vastly outperform men?...often more status than men? How will that work out? Suffering. It's women who will suffer. Why? Men are not motivated enough, to compete. No point. Men can still get sex when they want, due to birth control, but women can look after themselves and often don't want them, since the women outrank the men now. This makes relationship temporary. No other society in human history tried this new pattern of female dominance and if they did, they disappeared into the trash heap of history. Feminists complain that all past civilizations, men ran, the Patriarchy ran. Good point. That's what worked, apparently. That is what survived to get us here.
Feminists think they know better than Mother Nature, better than evolution, better than the 99.99% of past societies that rejected this pattern of female dominance. Feminists rearranged society to women's advantage. OK. How will that work out for women? Trouble is, women only "marry up". When women outcompete men in school and the world of work, then women tend to raise their standards of what they are looking for in a man, seeking top men more. Tinder data shows 80% of single women are chasing the top 10% of men. Rob Henderson was talking to Jordan Peterson about this. I was watching Chris Williamson's y-tube channel, he's very interested in this. He says recent data shows that for the first time in history, 50% of British women age 30 are childless. It's a country full of childless Bridget Jones Diary women, starring Renee' Zellweger. Half of British women will end up childless. They will live till age 85 on average. No children, no grandchildren, little reason for the guy in her life to stick around, when things get rough. Won't work, long term.
In terms of class, the upper class is still getting married, as Jordan Peterson pointed out in his video "People who believe this are Unrealistic, Ungrateful, Resentful, and Ignorant". The reason is, women marry up. So feminism works out for the upper classes, but it pretty much ruined the middle and lower middle class. Women always want to marry upper class men because they have all the money. Women don't want men in the middle and bottom, because the women can already outcompete those men, don't want them. That's why you are seeing, what you are seeing, for male motivation. Boys aren't stupid. They already know they lost. It's a rigged game. Against them.
Thanks for being such a calm and wise voice in these matters, Warren. Bringing empathy to boys and men has been a hard sell over many decades. Ironically, it's the lack of empathy toward boys and men that creates the behaviors that make it hard to empathize with boys and men.
If you raise a boy to believe he’s toxic and stupid and give him no good role models and genuine development, you can’t then blame him when later he turns out to be a toxic adult with bad ideas and poor behavior.
@@andrewfox368 I could certainly make the argument that the cultural ethos of feminism is definitely inspiring the development of pathologies in children (generally), but most particularly in boys. Here is an award winning poem written by a then 17 year-old boy which demonstrates the psychological toll that contemporary feminism can have on boys:
Royce Mann, “White Boy Privilege”- Recently, I became a man. I didn't have a bar mitzvah. My dad didn't take me fishing or hunting. I didn't hit my first home run, grill my first hamburger or have my first wet dream. But recently I became a man. It happened the first time a woman avoided me on the sidewalk. I just had baseball practice and I was walking to meet my mom at a restaurant when the woman, 10 feet in front of me glanced back. I knew she was looking at me, but I had no idea what she was seeing. The separation between us was undeniable, but the distance wasn't enough. She changed direction, crossing the street like Moses did the red sea, trying biblically to find freedom from me. Her footsteps taught me the danger of my own hands, taught me what it truly means to be a man. I may never know what it means to fear what she knew, but in that moment, I finally understood Peter pan. I wanted to stay a boy, not become a man because a man is, I now knew a mix between a father, brother, and attacker, and mostly the latter.
This speaks directly to the underlying psychology of what has been dubbed "Peter Pan Syndrome" or "failure to launch", which has been widely documented as a persistent phenomenon among Royce Mann's generation (generation Z) of boys.
@@lancewalker2595 I don’t disagree that there are many aspects that have been damaging to boys - particularly Pop Feminist rhetoric/branding that is often just fearmongering and “men are all trash” nonsense. But I also think that when people pit this issue AGAINST feminism, it is reductive and plays into an us-vs-them narrative that is not productive.
@@andrewfox368 Why should any ideology be accepted a priori? An atheist isn't obligated to disprove the existence of God, an atheist merely recognizes that theists have failed to prove the existence of God.
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Farrell knowledgeable and brilliant as always.
We are all in this together. It is so important to understand the issues that face both boy and girls, mothers and fathers, and men and women. And to work together to parent the children, for everyone's benefit. Perhaps the place to start is with the starting of an Office of Men's Health Issues, a great idea. Huge and incredible thanks to Andrew Yang for bringing this issue to the country's attention, and doing so with such openness and honest desire to help all of the citizens. Thank you a million.
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It’s important to have multiple streams of happiness/fulfillment. If you put all of your emotional energy into a job, a relationship or any one thing that can be stripped away, you may find yourself aging without a purpose; which is poison for men.
Thank you for your consistent and persistent messaging on behalf of men and boys (and ultimately for women and girls too). Thank you for supporting our group mentoring work at Boys to Men / Girls to Women USA. It was fun and inspiring to be with you at our summit a few years back.
Monday morning Yang 🌞👍
“The greatest thing you will ever learn is just to love and be loved in return” sounds like we need more Moulin Rouge in the lives of our boys and men 🥰 I love you all already 😘🧢
Yang needs to come full circle and interview Jordan Peterson.
How does the government manage to miss addressing all of the major important issues? And they wonder why things are collapsing around them. They are just worried about pleasing their corporate donors, and not helping everyday people.
You are so right. This episode got me imagining what things would have been like with an Andrew Yang presidency.
#Yang2024
@@HariOm-dp7um I think Andrew has a shot in 2024. I voted Trump. After this interview it's obvious Yang has a good grasp of issues I care about. I'm flipping to Yang.
The government was the one who created the agenda to destroy men (and eventually destroy the concept of family). It's very intentional.
I am a ged holding college dropout trying to find a career that pays a livable wage. My dream was to have a family of my own so that I can be the husband and father that mine was not. If anyone had told me that the likelihood of being a father without educational attainment and/or a livable wage would be practically impossible I'd of busted my ass early, now I'm 30. Living with a relative because I can't afford to live anywhere else and no woman wants anything to do with me. It seems all so insurmountable most days and the light at the end of the tunnel dims every passing day as my hourglass flips.
Please do better than I did.
do you have discord?
The military has done so much for me even though I did not retire. I completed my degree using the Post 911. It's not too late for you.
Time flies when you having fun. Listening to this podcast puts your ahead in many aspects of your growth and development.
I was very lost in my 20s as well and I only started my career when I was 30. I also didn't get a degree but I went to a community college in my late 20s and that allowed me to get internships and...eventually...to get a decent job.
I have a wonderful wife and two kids now.
Your life isn't over yet and, as hard as it is, try to judge yourself vs your past self and not vs others.
Best of luck in life and love!
"I'd of busted my ass early, now I'm 30" Welcome to being an adult; you are not alone! Almost everyone goes through this thought process. Happened to me at about 30, I'm 33 now. I think its even worse for women who all of a sudden realize they only have a few more years if they want to have a family. As men we aren't on nearly as strict of a timeline. Don't be ashamed of living with a relative, if you use that as an excuse not to do anything then its lame, if you're using it as a way to avoid crippling rent while you get your own financial house in order it isn't lame at all but rather a very logical economic strategy. The only way you lose is if you give up. To paraphrase Churchill, if you're going through hell, keep going. Good luck!
I feel for you. You didn’t ask for advice but community colleges and tech schools have lots of older students and can be a path to a better future. 30 may not be as old as you think
Thank you so much for this interview! It's about time that we focus on equipping our vulnerable boys to deal with society's expectations, especially if they lack fathers in their lives or good parental/caring adult supervision, in general. This is, indeed, a crucial issue for our society, and we can't afford to keep turning a blind eye.
Anger is by far the most popular direction on the compass of shame.
This is definitely the work that needs to be done
Great to hear Andrew not laughing and all giddy on after or before every moment…he’s growing up thankfully
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Man, I'm 30, and this all resonates so much. I feel so stuck... and it's utterly impossible to find motivation or direction when you feel in your bones that you're unable to attain anything worthwhile. =/
Thank you for this powerful and important conversation.
Great episode! Keep up the amazing work! #YangGang
How does this not have more views?
can you help to share it to your social media network?
I don’t use my social media anymore but I sent it to both of my sons, my daughter-in-law and a few of my friends.
I am saddened to see in the comments (mostly the replies) how many men, clearly hate women). And then, try to use religion to justify the argument?
A really important topic and great discussion. Thank you!
I always love listening to Warren.
Thank you.
I've become afraid to dream but I think it's more for economic reasons.
Even if we redefine "success" many of us will still feel like failures. Broadening the definition of success doesn't also broaden the range of careers that provide enough income to live and thrive on.
So sorry to hear this topic/crisis is political.
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I Love it and say it often. ( The Dalia Lama ) says. (( To inspire is a blessing in Disguise. ))
This is fantastic! Supporting boys becoming the kind of men that work well with the modern woman is so important! I have a program that has been long in the making, and now in place that uses horses to assist men and women to be authentic human beings, not human doings. I will be looking to create a support group for boys and men, with the inspiration I have gotten here. I did buy the book too, Thank You so much!
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There is a college crisis among males in the US. There had been a fairy dramatic decrease in the amount of males going to college. I’m afraid of the ramifications this could have especially considering how important college is in attaining a career.
Another point to the above comment is that Women tend to look for partners who have the same level of Education or higher.
@@annasmith5278 there will be lots more single mothers, so the elites are happy
@@zeitGGeist Why would they be happy? Also, what says they would be mothers? They could just be single women without children.
@@annasmith5278 Well, that should motivate more men to go to college. If they want a partner, then they need to get an education.
@@RoyGBiv-lc8tv FOOL! Colleges are Marxist indoctrination camps for wo-MEN. MEN should NOT go to college! I dropped out of high school and earned a PATENT!
I can't believe we didnt elect andrew as president.. well i mean i obviously can believe it. But like. Fuck haha
Indifference concerning the struggles of Boys and Men is dangerous because of the attitude of we do not care about them as human beings wholeheartedly that is why American society is set on fire.
I'm glad this is being discussed. The women's movement in its best form, should have made things better for both men and women, freeing up women and men to do things they are passionate about, while both getting time with children. It's hard for me to understand why it seems to have caused such disarray among men, although I'm hoping it's just a transitional state, in which purpose is being redefined.
This may be a ridiculous analogy but I watch a youtube channel about animal mediums (suspend your disbelief if possible). In one episode, the medium spoke with a rescue dog, who said the family's recently departed dog came to visit him to explain his family duties. The dog said he was told he had a very important mission in this life, which was to make sure his family was filled with love and joy. It made me cry a little... but all goes to show there a lot of important missions in life, if we can be open minded enough to see them.
The wo-MEN'S movement was always about rebellion against God. fEMINISTS were always privileged debutants with simp husbands. Many were lesbians or bisexual. fEMINISM was NEVER good it was & is a reaction to weak MEN. wo-MEN never earned the right to vote, until wo-MEN get drafted, are forced to wear crew cuts, and voluntarily PROTECT BOYS & MEN, they haven't earned the right to vote. You sound PENIS ENVIOUS? Your dog analogy and insinuation that MEN should have to protect & provide for their family's reeks of a sexually frustrated Jeoew?
The women's movement started as pro-women and at some point turned into anti-men. Male bashing has become a favorite topic.
Cassie Jaye, a woman feminists loved when she made profeminist movies, got treated like s*** by feminists after she made the Red Pill. You should look up some of the interviews with her on UA-cam. The stories of how she got treated are quite disgusting. Basically she was seen as a traitor to women for expressing sympathy to men.
"It's hard for me to understand why it seems to have caused such disarray among men."
Because the current feminist movement has a deep resentment for men.
@@josephesposito3499 You're ridiculous.
@@cantnevercould9660 Come on- you're telling me your life is based on small section of angry women who get media coverage? Most influences are much closer to home.
殺し "koroshi" doesn't mean "death at the desk." It means "killing; murder." 殺す "korosu" is the verb, "to kill" and "koroshi" is a noun form of that verb.
The word Farrell is trying to say is likely 苦労死 "kurōshi." 苦労 "kurō means "work; labor," and 死 "shi" means death. So it's literally, "work death." I'm not familiar with this word, but that's my best guess as to what the heck he must be talking about.
[edit] It's been pointed out to me that in fact the word in question is 過労死 "karōshi," where 過労 "karō" means "overwork." [/edit]
You have to be very careful with the vowels in Japanese. English has a lot of week vowels whose fine pronunciation doesn't matter, but Japanese does not. Every vowel has to be said correctly. "ko" and "ka" and "kō" are all very different.
He is talking about 過労死 (karoushi), not 殺し. Karoushi means death from overwork.
@@ProtagonistOfficial You literally just repeated what I just said in the reverse order and with shittier transliteration style. 役に一切立たないコメントを頂きありがとうございます。
@@rdreher7380 Was trying to be nice. Will give it one more shot. Kuroushi was not what was said. Not 苦労死. 過 as in to exceed. Not 苦 as in to suffer. 過労死(かろうし). The reason you didn't understand what he said was because you misunderstood Ka for Ku. 訂正されたという理由だけで怒る必要ないと思うんだけど。
@@ProtagonistOfficial Oh I see. Yes I overlooked that detail. 過労, not 苦労. I did not know the word 過労, and because English speakers often mix their fucking vowels up with Japanese, か and こ sound the same, こ and こう sound the the same, and thus it sounded like he said 殺し. Then I thought maybe the word was something like 苦労死, but didn't know the word 過労 "overwork."
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If it is any excuse though, I was attacked by a stranger on the street recently and I'm still not mentally normal because of it. Scary shit. 怖いね。or as dumb English speakers would say, 可愛いね。
And I just hate non-Hepburn style transliteration. That shit's the worst. On of my my students put it best when she asked "why do we learn rōmaji?" by which she meant, Japanese style Romanization. "We have katakana & hiragana for Japanese. We don't need rōmaji. Then you learn English and become confused because English isn't rōmaji." (She said this in Japanese originally, so I'm paraphrasing).
Seriously, do you need me to teach a you a good way to get macrons quickly with your IME? Hint, user dictionary is 超便利. I made it so おー gives me ō etc.
@@rdreher7380 haha, no worries. I'm on my phone which is why I'm using ou. My phone doesn't have the long vowel slash. On computers and book translation work I use Hepburn. Basically I'm just being a little lazy. Attacked on the street, dang, that's scary.可愛いね😂
Oh, a CS japanese learner (assumption from your last comment), same here. Small world.
Also, yeah, It is very common for Americans to have difficulty with Japanese phonetics. Kinda unavoidable given how different the two languages are, haha.
Aww...he also listens to Yang's podcast.
Why would we bother training boys for the tech jobs of the future like AI? It's going to be cheaper to just outsource all that stuff to developing countries.
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Dividing the sexes is no different than dividing the races and putting them against each other. I have a granddaughter who is 15 who's cutting herself. I would say that children are given no path to adulthood in this country.
Can anyone help me out here? Like many of us, I'm here looking for FORWARD moving discussions with an aim of GETTING THINGS DONE. So, on the issue of boys and men, I'm really interested in how politicians responded and followed-up to Warren Farrell's book.
It is clear from the video how Democrat politicians responded (42:50), but it is not clear how the Trump administration followed up after the initial positive response. Can anyone elucidate either by pointing me to parts of the video that clear this up or from their own knowledge?
I can't believe questions like these regarded as improper in the United States - it was so innocent. Perhaps today a national holiday in the US and Americans can't answer because are all relaxing with a beer?
It drives me insane that people haven’t picked up on the link between the purpose void and our current agricultural system. If we had the same level of involvement with our food as we did in the 30’s, you guys wouldn’t be having this conversation. People (men in particular) aren’t designed to sit in an office all day. Show me a farmer who grows their own food and works outside every day (not sitting in a tractor 24/7, either) and I will show you a happy person, 100% of the time. Health, purpose, community, resilience, good values, it’s all there. We could kill a thousand birds with one stone by returning to the land. Our economic system isn’t nearly the problem that the current farming system is. Andrew, please have someone on like Eliot Coleman or Joel Salatin. This is the solution to so many things that you’ve been looking for.
The only thing I didn’t like about this interview was that it wasn’t long enough…
Poor ol' Dad turned his back on me which involved the exposure of his kidney. Happily my stout German mother vetoed his emmediate sense of what had happened. I don't think I disliked the rough housing in itself, it might perhaps have been less thematic.
Marriage has a high risk of being financially and emotionally devastating for a successful man. I don’t recommend it. Rather, boys and men need to pursue their own excellence and avoid societal ensnarements at all cost.
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Your not even allowed to talk about this stuff in some circles without being branded a sexist.
hell when Yang posted about this on twitter he got called sexist...and also randomly, racist and homophobic.
Hmm.. how was that one girl able to take women studies in her first semester in college? I thought you only took entry level core classes during your first semester..
Different majors at different colleges have different enrollment rules and requirements.
I am confused if males were once boys why would they need to be told how their absence is a problem? 🤔🤔🤔
What. That literally made no sense.
Thank you. I have a three year old boy who is very caring and generous. I still worry about how the world will treat him - all males, for that matter. You guys get as many mixed signals - almost as many as we do - you have to be tough, yet, you can’t be too tough, for example. And if we’re all about equality, where’s all the discussion about helping out with the second shift? We still do most of the housework, in addition to our regular jobs (this is, in my opinion, one of the reasons why it’s tough to break the glass ceiling. We’re too damn tired at work!). If some guy with clout could openly talk about it, I’m sure he could influence more people. It’s still fairly acceptable for a guy to work long hours and spend little time with family. If I did it? Ooooo, you’re a bad mom, Cynthia! Shame on you!
The main problem is that they legalized being homosexual.
This guy Farrell has a Ph.D. In political science. No? What about clinical psychologist like William Pollack, author of Real Boys?
Agree but he has been in the trenches for decades and he knows his stuff very well
William Pollack is a supporter of what Farrell is saying...In fact, they served together on the Commission for Boys and Men. (I was on that commission for a while with them. )
I keep getting my comments deleted on this and other forward videos. Not sure if it's UA-cam or a forward party censor. Guessing the latter. Sorry if it wasn't politically correct enough. Does not increase my enthusiasm if Yanggang censors also
the irony of feminism is that working outside the home was sold as liberating, but in reality it was means of enslavement. the supply/demand effects of labor mean that as more women entered the workforce, wages would necessarily decrease. if every women quit work minimum wage would be somewhere between $25-35/hour, and median income would be over $100k. women can't find an 'economically attractive' man, in the aggregate, its their own doing. now women have to work, a single income isn't enough to raise a family for the vast majority now. same goes with housing, if people married young and didn't divorce you would need far less houses, so housing prices would plummet.
if all women would settle on a man in their early 20s and not work nearly every man in america could afford a house and a family on a single income. we would raise better children, have much less stress, and would be a much better country.
sadly this will never happen, the rich pit us against each other. they design systems based around the 'prisoner's dilemma' so that we don't cooperate. they put ideas in our heads thru propaganda and make us want things that go against our interested and towards theirs. they've convinced women that being a wage slave is somehow more empowering then being a wife and mother. they teach women to compete with men instead of cooperate, and everyone, but especially women, are more unhappy now than ever.
So, wage stagnation since the 60s is the fault of women who entered the workforce and not the fault of rich bastards wanting to be even richer. Got it. If women left the workforce, corpos would just bring men from elsewhere and pay them the same shitty or worst wages we have today.
I quite like Warren Farrell and think he’s highlighting an important issue - that’s why it was so disappointing to find nonsense about herbal remedies and homeopathy in his book. Really called into question some otherwise interesting writing/research.
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A bit silly to say this is the most important issue in American life. women’s issues are just as important. I’d love to see Andrew talk more about women’s issues too.
Men rarely have their issues discussed. And on the rare chance that it is discussed, it's usually through a feminist-lens.
Important to stop the bleeding first then try to save the patient
There really is no such thing as "female issues" anymore. Everything (and I mean that sincerely and not as some hyperbole) that feminists talk about is a lie, a complete exaggeration, not gender specific, or affects men more. Feminists have utterly failed to bring up a legitimate "female" issue for the last 60 years. Despite this, women like you do nothing but scream how "oppressed" women are (which is hilariously absurd) and as a result, you get CONSTANT media backing and major platforms perpetuating your asinine ideology.
Men get none of that. Men are doing *vastly* worse than women in basically every facet of life. And men aren't even allowed to talk about that without narcissistic women like you hijacking the conversation yet again by whining how we need to talk more about "women's issues". We talk about these """issues""" PLENTY. Stop acting like we need a "balanced coverage" when it hasn't been "balanced" whatsoever (meaning, drastically in women's favor) for decades. What a joke.
@@SabatSch95 Exactly! Notice Warren has a residue of YENTA'S trying to hijack his content about BOYS and turn it into wo-MEN'S issues?
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This is starting to feel like a bro podcast. I’ve been a huge fan of yours for years and I realize you get a lot of views for touching on this topic, but there is no shortage of men telling men that they have it so hard because of feminism (among other things). Just look at the top “intellectual” voices. Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Jonathan Haidt, Sam Harris. They’ve all built successful careers out of talking about these things and pandering to men who feel like something has been stolen from them and we need to return to this past where men could be held to a different regard than women. I mean, most religions are still lead by men who are reaffirming these ideals.. haven’t heard you speak out on womens issues very much but you’re very quick to go down the “bring back manly men” rabbit hole. It’s so clear sexism still prevails just considering how many men are interested in this topic but most likely wouldn’t tune in to hear about womens issues. Hope you’ll chill with pandering to the JP crew. Still a huge fan. #YANGGANG2024!
I think it's because more and more people are releasing the crisis men are in. I've seen it first hand the lack of empathy for men and boys and it's taking it's toll based on the high rates of suicide. I don't always necessarily agree with everything these people say, as the whole 'manly men' thing is pretty sexist and creates unrealistic standards because what even is a manly man? But it's incredibly important to do something now to show boys and men they are cared about. Womens issues are talked about very frequently by a lot of high profile female figures and there hasn't been a day when I haven't turned on the news and there is something supportive about women and girls. I get what you mean as there is definitely issues women face and should be talked about equally but I think there needs to be a massive push for men now in order to maintain balance. Otherwise more men are going to lose hope and we can't let that happen.
Gotta be honest Yang, I’ve appreciated and followed you for years now and I will continue, but you really gotta move on from this man and boys crisis thing. Yes, men are struggling, (and you are getting a lot of views from this topic) but here’s the thing. What’s going to help men (and everyone else) most, is more equality. So how about that conversation that applies to all.
(Despite how much men want to hear that they have it so hard.)
How exactly will closing the gender achievement gap at the top of society help us fix the opposite gender achievement gaps in K-12 education, universities, suicide rates, negative health outcomes, and likelihood of being radicalized?
Just wondering.
@@andrewfox368 Sure, I think about it this way:
A lot of men were taught to connect their worth and value to work and financial achievement. So naturally when their is a lot of economic inequality there is a lot of men that suffer because they feel like they don’t have value. They don’t have work or money and so they are valueless.
On top of that a lot of men weren’t taught to do “feminine” things, like how to cook healthy meals, how to take care of themselves, communicate emotional needs to loved ones.
It’s obviously terrible than anyone would feel valueless and suicidal. So what we should be doing is teaching everyone that they are an individual regardless of whatever statistical characteristics they may have and need to be focused on and valued. A man’s value isn’t that he is a man, nor a woman’s. A man, woman, or students value is that he/she is a person.
What do you think?
The point is, just like how the Forward Party wants an economy for humanity not humanity for the economy or profits. We should want the same for man women and children. They are valued as persons, not just for the fact that happen to be a man or woman. And we shouldn’t make humans for whatever roles or ideologies. We should make our education, ideologies, and structure of society for persons.
@@alexhearne2588 I think the point is that when you discover massive disparities between members of different demographic categories, you target those demographic categories for optimum results. And while men and women have far more in common than they have different, across a population (and concentrated in the most at-risk outliers) there are extremely profound differences that require targeted, evidence-based solutions.
@@alexhearne2588 besides which, a wealth of data worldwide shows that the types of problems we are talking about - men and boys feeling out of touch, disempowered, disconnected from their communities and purposeless - correlates almost exactly with massive upticks in political violence, insurgencies, radicalization, and mortality rates. So focusing on empowering boys to be more employed and more a part of their communities doesn’t just help boys, it is literally protecting all of us from potentially awful society-wide repercussions.
I can just see more abusive men using this as an excuse to "rough house" their (or your) kids into the ER.
And that is exactly the problem... men feel purposeless today because so many people, such as yourself, don't believe they have a legitimate purpose.
I could certainly make the argument that the cultural ethos of feminism is definitely inspiring the development of pathologies in children (generally), but most particularly in boys. Here is an award winning poem written by a then 17 year-old boy which demonstrates the psychological toll that contemporary feminism can have on boys:
Royce Mann, “White Boy Privilege”- Recently, I became a man. I didn't have a bar mitzvah. My dad didn't take me fishing or hunting. I didn't hit my first home run, grill my first hamburger or have my first wet dream. But recently I became a man. It happened the first time a woman avoided me on the sidewalk. I just had baseball practice and I was walking to meet my mom at a restaurant when the woman, 10 feet in front of me glanced back. I knew she was looking at me, but I had no idea what she was seeing. The separation between us was undeniable, but the distance wasn't enough. She changed direction, crossing the street like Moses did the red sea, trying biblically to find freedom from me. Her footsteps taught me the danger of my own hands, taught me what it truly means to be a man. I may never know what it means to fear what she knew, but in that moment, I finally understood Peter pan. I wanted to stay a boy, not become a man because a man is, I now knew a mix between a father, brother, and attacker, and mostly the latter.
This speaks directly to the underlying psychology of what has been dubbed "Peter Pan Syndrome" or "failure to launch", which has been widely documented as a persistent phenomenon among Royce Mann's generation (generation Z) of boys.
Ugh, Andrew don’t go down this garbage path with your podcast!
Look at the comments in this video! “We honor the female wh0r3 for “Moral Achievement.””
“wo-Men are not to be teachers. Corinthians Apostle Paul.”
“If all women would settle on a man in their early 20’s and not work nearly every man in America could afford a house and a family on a single income.”
The reason these videos are getting such attention is because it just validates a bunch of men who hate woman and want to go back to when women couldn’t work or vote. And I get it, women getting more rights and equality does men that men lose the benefit of have exclusive access to those rights and privileges.
But at the end of the day Yang, if we want to move FORWARD, we have to teach everyone equally that they are equal and separating each other isn’t the answer.
“Please ignore glaring and growing disparities, because whenever we talk about them, shitty bigots show up.”
Doesn’t exactly seem like a solution to me.
Ok, just because they're talking about male issues doesn't mean that it's a case of sexism towards women. As for those comments, it's just a couple of trolls coming in to stir the pot, like in most political discourses.
_And I get it, women getting more rights and equality does mean that men lose the benefit of have exclusive access to those rights and privileges_
Really? You're using the "men are feeling emasculated and don't want to lose their power" strawman argument?
_We have to teach everyone equally that they are equal and separating each other isn’t the answer_
That's what they're doing, Alex. They're just talking about male issues from a masculine perspective rather than a feminist perspective.
@Ed Ed I’ll be honest, I’m not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion listening to Andrew Yang talk about how women are outperforming men…. What do you mean by responsibility? You know the only country that was Covid free for the the majority of the pandemic? It was New Zealand, which has a female PM. Like seriously ED, how do you even think that?
@@cantnevercould9660 I agree with you that just because we talk about Mens issues doesn’t mean you are being sexist. And true trolls will always be trolls.
Next, no I’m not arguing a straw-man. I think that we legitimately give up something hard to give up. I wouldn’t say it emasculates us. It’s more like if you have a membership to a store that you always get 50% off and then that membership program get’s shut down. Now you go back to paying full price! And that totally sucks! Especially if you really relied on that deal for putting food on the table!
And lastly, my point is there no masculine perspective or feminine perspective. Because we are both victims of being human. Men are just as much victims of sexist gender BS as women. Think about it, men had to be the ones to go to war, and women had to be the ones to stay in the kitchen? That’s terrible! Like seriously the whole point of feminism is to not have gendered problems. A good future for the world is to not have advocates for one group of people vs another. It’s a future is where we aren’t seen as men, and women aren’t seen as women. We are just people. The same people. Not judged by traits we were born with but the character we establish for ourselves.
@@andrewfox368Andrew I totally agree, ignoring problems just because of trolls would be petty. And I’m not trying to make the claim that we should ignore that people in society are suffering. The problem with it I have is separating it into genders. The point of feminism was to balance the scale for everyone, get rid of gendered rolls and gendered this and gendered that. Now we can start going Forward towards a world where it doesn’t matter you’re gender. You are treated the same, the same opportunity, and the same empathy from society and others. It doesn’t matter that men are falling behind, it matters because people are falling behind.
Thank you for adding in the guest's name in the Title as I mentioned previously. However, there are better ways to optimize your channel for UA-cam's algorithm though.
Be sure to check out vidIQ Vision for UA-cam, as well as Social Blade. The freemium versions are great to gain further insight on optimizing and getting your content to more viewers with more description, meta data, hash tags, etc.
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