Context!!!!!!
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2010
- Here are a few kernels of truth, wrapped liberally in extreme exaggeration. I know. It's pretty over the top. But so is the assertion that the bible is a holy book. That's a massive exaggeration. Most of it isn't even "pleasant". (Read on...)
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The bible is revolting. It is sickening. It is nowhere NEAR as nice a book as what an ethical human could come up with, so why on earth does it have this reputation as having been written by the very author of love itself? It wasn't. It was written by human men - and pretty horrible men by the sounds of things.
And why is it that it only ever seems to be the ugly bits of the bible that are ever taken out of context? Why don't we ever hear christians complaining of John 3:16 being taken out of context?
Look, I know it's possible for things to be taken out of context. Creationists do it all the time, and it bugs the hell out of scientists and rationalists. Even I've been quoted out of context. Sure, it's annoying. But no context is large enough to write off some of the horrors of the bible. I mean - is September 11, for example, completely justified by recourse to a larger "context"? No, and neither are some of the horrors mentioned in the video.
I had a conversation recently (on youtube) and we talked about stoning. It occurred to me, that as an atheist, I will never, ever be called upon to defend the appalling practice of stoning. However, a christian who believes that their heavenly father mandated stoning, does have some kind of obligation to EXCUSE those who practiced stoning, and to even implicitly, DEFEND the practice, seeing, as it was, Yahweh's favored punishment.
THIS is what's wrong with christianity. And yes, I know that there is more to it than that. But how warped are your morals, compared to those of an atheist, if the atheist can outright condemn practices such as stoning and burning alive, but you can't, due to your apparent deep personal relationship with the supreme moral law giver of the universe? You know, that supreme moral law giver who said burning people alive was OK? Something is seriously wrong there.
Or, come out and say that the old testament laws were absolutely hideous! Come and join the rest of us. It's far clearer over here. No double-think. Come and live an ethical life based on what you TRULY believe about how best to live among others.
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The funny thing is that once you know the actual context of most of these verses, they become far worse.
no not really
+Ex Muslim No they make sense after looking at the context.
+Ex Muslim No they make sense after looking at the context.
+Ex Muslim Right back at you.
+Ex Muslim Keep telling yourself "pretty sure they become worse" when referring to context. Keep telling yourself, everything I say is false. Keep telling yourself God is fake when you have no proof. Keep telling yourself context doesn't matter.
I showed my brother your Contradictions video... he says a lot were taken out of context... so I sent him this lol
what did he say then?
RJNorman k
I don't understand why atheists think actual Christianity is the most basic literalistic de-contextualized fundemantalist form of Christianity possible. Like many videos just end up being giant straw men... Just saying'.
It's easy to destabalize a laymen understanding of science it's harder with an actual scientist.
You might have a point Aymeric...
Except that people often cite "biblical values" when it comes to political issues including but not limited to: reproductive rights, environmental policy, immigration policy, gay rights, trans rights and so on and so forth.
This type of analysis undermines the foundation of the aforementioned form of rhetoric. I mean, I'm sure that stamp has no qualms with individual parishes acting charitably towards the greater community, but to suggest that charitable works have anything to do with "biblical values" is unfounded, as the analysis in this video illustrates.
The difference is that even with context the bible is still against certain things, like for example, fornication or homosexual acts. In these cases I could read you the whole bible chapter and the context won't change it. Every time I study scripture I take the whole chapter into account and don't cherrypick, both for good and bad things. Is taking things in context still somehow bad even when I'm not hypocritical about it like the strawman in the video?
"Sorry, that's from the Koran."
"... That's a made up book!"
lmao
Quran
Jacob Stamm no it isnt, the quarn is a real book
Rustom Cadet Can you please explain your stupidity?
Guess he couldn't
donut like this comment (please do PLEASE)
I tried to talk to my religious sister about this. She hit the nail on the head with her advice. Don’t take it so literally and don’t think too deeply. Just worship in your own way. This kind of cognitive dissonance is just fine in an English suburb. Not working so well for women in Afghanistan.
I sure wish Christians acted like their faith was secular in nature, and not try to turn it into the law of the land.
Religion is responsible for damn near every death in human history
Ironic how the world would genuinely be better off without the idea of god
If religion never existed we’d actually have world peace
@@michaelweir9666If they follow the Bible, they literally can't do that
I didn’t know you could choose which parts of the bible to believe and which parts to not believe
So the answer is just to not think about the contradictions? Just… ignore it?
All those Bible versus are morally repugnant, and I can't believe people still follow that stuff today.
But that Q'uran passage..... WAS OBVIOUSLY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!
Allah hu Akbar!
Schrodinger's comic.
The last panel of this comic is both funny and not funny at the same time.
Until you read it, you will have no idea which one it will end up being.
Shit!
They don't. They ignore the parts they don't like, and spout the parts they do like.
Well i just checked the verse of qur'an and it was about the punishment in hell for the peaple that rejected god
Schrodinger
No, no, no. Atheists are not apologizing for the Quran. Pointing out that both the Bible and the Quran are morally reprehensible doesn't make us support the ideas in the latter. Your logic compass fails.
We are telling you that your moral compass is failing as well. You denounce passages in the Quran while saying the same passages are out of context in your favorite book. We believe they are disgusting in both books. You are the one with a variable moral compass.
Schrodinger, it's pronounced admiral akbar.
This shit is hilarious lmaoo
"God is Love.... righttt so you're not worried about knowing the context-"
"nonono that's fine"
lmaooooo this is brilliant
It loved us sooooo much it killed every man, woman and child on Earth, save eight. It gave us disease and handicaps and made people suffer horrible pain. Such love is rare.
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.
The problem is not that he has rules, it's the rules themselves.
And of course, the whole magical nonsense his existence would mean.
At the end of the Day a lot of Christians take the "good" verses out of Context too.
Context clarifies what a text means not what it says.
So this video is a bit flawed in that it is never explicitly stated what the guys on the right assumes the verses to mean. The guy on the left is only reacting to what he supposes the guys on the right thinks the verses mean... So I mean you can't blame the Christian guy for the critics lack of explicitly stated interpretation.
That's my favorite part
I told my (christian) mom about the dead children thing and she said that if God kills 'em, it's okay. They're just being returned to heaven.
And she's one of the less fanatical ones.
So if I kill an innocent, is that innocent taken by the Lord? So... A newborn killer would be an actual hero, sacrificing his/her own eternal life for a certainty of heavenly bliss for others?
If she'd be okay with this, then... I don't even want to know what fanatical ones believe in. ;)
i feel bad for her, because that's a clear case of religious brain washing.
If somebody good dies, god wanted to take him to him, because he loves him so much. If somebody bad dies, they say, he had to die for his sins and will go to hell. Ummm. I never understood this kind of logic.
omg, the g stands for gosh,
Exposingchristianity,com
"Suffer the little ones to come unto me for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".... I get it now.
i get it. they use "out of context" for bad stuff, but not for good shit. this is perfect
Good shit is "it's a miracle!" Don't you know your religions??
Yes. When Christians can't answer with any type of logic they say " THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT " or my favorite " WELL, GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS !!!"
MARCO MARCOSI
Or my favorate, God is so superior to us that we could not possibly begin to understand his master plan. What may the seem illogical to us is just us not understanding God.
Well I am very glad I can not understand a egotistical, judgmental, bigoted murder. .
Or: "You're not a Christian, so you cannot possibly understand what the bible is ACTUALLY saying!"
I feel like a lot of atheists highlight individual bible passages as confirming their pre-conceived notion in the same way a well traveled person could try and defend that the earth was flat because "I've been to the following list of places and everywhere I was it was flat".
I would just guess one would do more than just exhibiting individual data points without referring them back to the the data set the belong to. But hey... Who am I ?
The best is when the christian goes "mmmm" when he responds LMAO
Haha
Im not the only one who loves the ‘mmm’s
Mmmmm
Mmmmm
"That one was from the Quran" had me in tears.
but totally ready to defend it until learning the truth lol
Same
It isn't taken out of context , that verse in describing the people of hell
There should be a video where he quotes the Bible, Koran & Game of Thrones let's people figure it which is which...
@@dboykrank47 the Quran is the words of god. The Bible is a fantasy book and so is game of thrones.
371 ppl think this video was taken out of context
U mean 483?
Wings of Castiel u mean 540
U mean 671?
632 now
Yeah and 30K used it to confirm their bias against the largest religion in the world as if it were witty, intellectual, or even entertaining
The fact that people can't see how flawed the Bible is scares me. It really shows the power of teaching someone something from a young age and also the blind effect one has to something if their deep personal identity is tied to it.
I think it's got more to do with fear, fear of god's wrath! You tell a 5 year old they'll be tortured in hell forever if they don't do what god says and they're gonna do what god says.
Don't scare children....
You must tell them about Jesus Christ and what he did for us. And Jesus Rose from the grave....
Yes, I resized I'm going to hell If I don't Repent....
Yes I resized that when you ask Jesus in your heart and get Baptism then you are saved from hell....
Jesus love draw us near....
@@reneemerritt6572 dont scare children and dont indoctrinate them
@@reneemerritt6572 sorry, I just want to check something. Did Moses' armies baptize the children of the Midianites when they slaughtered all of them? Maybe they performed the ceremonies in their parents' blood just before beheading them or throwing them into rocky rivers to watch their skulls break open.
Note: the Midianites were murdered by Moses and his armies under the supposed orders of God. At one point, God mentions how happy it might be to see the infants of a rival city thrown against the rocks of a river and killed.
@@cooldude6651 No! You are taking it out of context!!
And the same thing goes for "you must not take that literally"...
Ace Hogarth Read the gospel and you will know when you have to take things litteraly or nor. It. ls writen : Then Jesus said a parable...
Anti-christians usualy quote Jesus saying 'Bring them in front of me and kill them'.
What they never say is thzt wjesus was tell the story of an imaginary king, and started by 'this is a parable...'
"You must not take that literally" so youre telling me that all the bad things shouldnt be taken "literally", but if its a good thing it should be all fine...? Wow just wow. I think you didnt watched the whole vid.
JeelBee No, I am telling that it's not the reader who decides whenever it's litteral or not when the very text states "Jesus said a parable..."
If Jesus is supposed to say a parable according to the text of the Gospel, the guy pretendit it's litteral is either a moron or a liar.
Mr Temporal The creation is NOT part of the Gospel, it's the Torah. There is no trouble : just read in the Gospel what Jesus sait about those who wrote the Torah Torah. He accused the scribes (of the Torah) and the Pharesees (ho teached the Torah) of adding man made tradition do the law of God.
The flood is not a law of God. Then, it's man made jewish tradition. Where is the trouble? Christians don't need to believe into Jewish mythology. Some do, some don't. But it's not part of any dogma.
How much of the Bible is supposed to be taken literally?
Omfg 12 years later and this is still a valid representation of how Christians behave in conversation.
It grinds my gears how they say "you're taking it out of context!" Or reference the idea context without actually giving any or explaining what exactly their objection is, what they have in mind.
Are all Christians just trying to score points or what?
Islamists and judaists are the same ass well.
@@Wind-oh-WishpIndeed, I hate them all
@@Wind-oh-WishpYeah, you could pretty much say all religion is idiotic, it is.
in most of these conversations I've had with people they act like stuff I mention isn't actually in the Bible.
+Cal6009 in a way then you should just let it go. they obviously haven't read the bible (probably haven't even opened the book), and kinda don't really count as a christian (I know, that's a "no true scotsman" but frankly how do you fail to read "the most important book in the universe" according your religion?)
+Cal6009 Except gone are the days when you just have to accept what people say as the truth. Google will tell you if it's in the bible and you can read all the context around it too...
arch angel I'd say it's fair to say if someone has never read the bible then they're not really a christian.
+Cal6009 I know but strictly speaking all you need to be a Christian is to believe that Jesus is the son of God
+arch angel Why would you believe that without reading the scripture? Because someone told you it was true?
If u have the insight to pick and choose what is "out of context" then you already have a moral code without needing a holy scripture to base it on
He forgot to eat the fruit
Mmmmm
What? Lol
This whole video is wrong, you wouldn't be allowed to speak!
@@jnsurf5512 Are you psycho or joking, just wondering.
@@ravioli3807 read again, you 'wouldn't' be allowed to speak. I'm making a joke about the silencing of atheists lol
@@ravioli3807 I'm not saying he 'shouldn't' be allowed to speak if that's what you were wondering
Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
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It means maximum dumb dumb
@@Scroteydada 🤔
I was raised in Christianity (aka brainwashed as a child) and the cognitive dissonance was always there, gnawing at the edge of my mind until I finally started giving thought to my doubts and officially became atheist. The stupid thing is that I would feel guilty about doubting or allowing myself use reason with regards to religion... disgusting when a religion is so emotionally manipulative like that. That happened when I was 20 and I wish it happened sooner.
Videos like this that make clear why the bible is to be laughed at are great and helped break me out of that brainwashed state.
Katar So you loser religion over a bunch of ancient laws? Was your faith placed on bunch of ancient laws or whether Jesus actually resurrected from the dead because if he did then Christianity will still be true whether or not you liked the Old Testament.
'The correct context is one in which killing children was OK, OK?!!!!!!' - NonStampCollector, 22-02-2010
Yea??, are you good with abortion?
@@bertlarsen3202 Fetuses are much less developed than a Human, people are OK with killing pigs, which are very intelligent, much more so than a newborn, yet they feel attached to a organ that has the thoughts and emotions of an ant, or a stone.
@@ravioli3807 i feel like abortion is a subject where compromises must be made to appease people on either side of the argument.
For example: abortion is allowed only once per mother (to avoid the inevitable issue of serial abortioners), and the mother can't be too close to birthing (fetus can't be aborted after a certain stage of development). Of course rape wouldn't count and the "rape fetus...?" could be aborted after the first abortion. Basically being raped wouldnt deny you the ability to get your 1 non rape abortion. However, even if it was a rape fetus you couldn't abort it past a certain point of development unless your life was at risk.
Saying "completely legalize abortion" or "completely abolish abortion" are both extreme points of view and neither properly present a modern solution to the issue. My solution is intentionally lacking for the reader to fill in the blanks like the point of development, and to hopefully encourage the reader to present their own compromise idea (preferably better/more fleshed out/easy for either side of the extreme fence to agree upon.)
You took that quote out of context!!!
@@trentonyoakum1627 Yes, most (all?) countries forbid abortions after a certain point in development. There is no political party in the world that means you should be allowed to abort an 8 month fetus (medical reasons aside) when they say 'legalize abortion'.
The rule that you can have only 1 abortion is ridiculous. If people can have a good reason to have an abortion once, than it is very likely that there are people that have that good reason twice.
This video turned one of my friends--who was already agnostic--into a full out and out atheist when I showed it to her.Don't like the whining infants deter you, Stamp. You're doing more good than you could ever know.
+Videoman R
Oh, to have been a fly on the wall.
+NonStampCollector why don't you do more on The Quran
I wrote this response to that question but it's more geared towards those who ask me in insulting terms. Have a read but mind that the anger evident might not be appropriately aimed at you.
www.nonstampcollector.com/blog/hey-nonstampcollector-you-coward-where-are-all-your-islam-videos-huh
+Videoman R I do not understand how this video could make an atheist out of an agnostic? It really says nothing at all about the actual existence of God or a higher being and so has nothing to do with the belief in God or the possibility of there being one. This video may cause a person to question or doubt the Bible, the God of the Bible, Judaism or Christianity but it in no way shows that God or a higher being could not exist.
imkluu I'll tell you what I told her when she finished watching it, paraphrasing just a tad: "Let's say that there IS a 'god'; an omnipotent, omniscient, all-powerful one, at that. Would you worship, praise, adore, love, cherish or even respect a 'god' that would murder babies? BABIES? Forget innocent people that consciously did something bad with the right intentions--BABIES. Babies have about as much a conscience as a ROCK does. They don't know any better than to cry and whine when they're off, and to smile and laugh and make adorable faces when they're on [happy]. Any 'god' that could conscientiously kill BABIES isn't praise-worthy, or even recognizable as a god, and even if there is one, which I don't believe there is, I refuse to look at him as one. If you wanna believe in any being that could do what the characters in the bible say that this 'god' did, you can do so, but, that doesn't make him a 'god'. It makes him slime, assuming he exists."
I just found you and would like to say that I absolutely love these videos
Thank you, Obama/Satan.
You should also check out DarkMatter 2525. He is great too!!!
NonStampCollector Jesus aint real i know it cause im reading dianetics.
John M. Ok
@@NonStampCollector your videos are seriously the best videos on Christian-specific atheism in the world. I hope you're a millionaire or something
"If it sounds horrendous, sickening, appalling, barbaric, murderous etc., then it probably is horrendous sickening, appalling, barbaric, murderous etc."
"What?!? That makes no sense at all!" Looooooool XD
The first time I watch this video Im still a devout christian. That moment, athough felt offended, I also felt that this video is true. Non stamp collector is really genius in every video. Using satire and some humour yet hit the point very well. Now as I no longer hold my old worldview, I can laugh and enjoy every videos with more appreciation. Im sure your videos help many people like me in our pursuit of truth. Thank you non stamp collector.
Welcome to reality.
Can't imagine what it would feel like as a Christian to watch this
Insulting and ridiculous maybe
You find some excuse why he's wrong..
2:25 "The correct context is one in which killing children was OK, OK?!! That's the correct context!"
You would think this was trying to be comedic, but I've actually heard this argument.
Mormons told me such things were left in there as a lesson on What not to do. So our Universal Creator evolved over time?
@@jomansson5742 Mormons do believe God evolved i think. God was once a human just like you according to them who just progressed.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr a really immature one, ie less mature than His own creations? Is that even possible?
This is the greatest video I have ever seen.....
Like seriously. The greatest ever.
Ozamataz Buckshank wow u need to get out more!
This is just ONE of NonStampcollector's best... he has so much great stuff and it will stand the test of time forever... as truth tends to do that
This video is incorrect a religious person would never let you continue talking
That's because they understand that you're making sense, and they don't want to be convinced that their beliefs are just a bunch of lies, so their only defense is to make your stop talking.
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube AMEN WELL SAID!!!!!!
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This is an accurate description of conversations with fundamentalist Christians
I absolutely detest when Bible-people tell me "you're not a theologian" or "nobody is qualified to speak to the meaning of scripture", shit like that. I am actually a theologian, and a true theist, and I do believe that I am qualified to speak to the ridiculousness of the Judeo-Christian faith.
Kudos. It's the _argument from authority_ fallacy in action. The fact that it's been used against you, an actual authority, is hilarious. As someone who holds many views that go against the prevailing bromides, I run into this all the time. I also find it amusing that those who call on this fallacy most often are themselves, by their own definition, insufficiently credentialed to offer a valid opinion on the subject. They invariably fail to see the irony.
What the hell is a "true theist"?
Judea-Christian is an oxymoron. Judaism is based on the Talmud which is specifically anti-Christian.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER I'm sure only he knows. He's the true one, those others? Why, they're not Irish at all!
@@Chance57 It's supposed to be Scotsman. The "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
I love the lac rebuttals from religious folk in the comment section, they've got nothing.
The Doge They have their circular reasoning.
Well the problem of this video is really just that the author, addressing a particular audience, has his characters "debating" implicit interpretations of said passages. If I were the Christian in that video my answer to those Bible quotes would be "And ?" after that I would just probe my "atheist friend" to ask him to explicit his interpretative method. After that I would show how my interpretative method and conclusions differ. After that you can have a talk about why he think his interpretative method is better... (Hint: Confirmation Bias).
Aymeric St-Louis-Gabriel Interpretive method is just a dressed up way of saying context.
Aymeric St-Louis-Gabriel thats an open discussion which is what most atheist want. We just want to know why it is you cherry pick your holy book. We don't care if you believe in a god we just want everyone to be able to intelligently discuss things with logic and reason.
Klynnx3 An internet atheist!? Want a rational discussion on the Bible!? LMAO All NOSCO is doing is quoting a passage here and there and expecting the other person to know what the objection is and why he thinks that way! There is nothing to work with!
who else thinks it is hilarious that creation museum ads keep popping up on atheist videos? XD
I keep getting ads for the "Mark of the Beast" video.. or website... or whatever they're trying to sell.
Haha, those creationists have to pay money to an atheist then, so he can make more atheistic videos, hilarious indeed!
Ads are personalized, dependent on that you watch on UA-cam and what you search for in Google. Sometimes there are featured 5 minute videos which are just other UA-cam video but mostly it's just based on your interests.
For instance: I don't get the Creation Museum ads OR the Mark of the Beast ad
It can be taken both ways. I assume you're talking about the fact that atheists are much less likely to believe the content in that ad.
However, atheists are the ones the creationists are trying to convert; visiting creationists are going to accept everything they see hook, line and sinker, whereas atheists are the only ones who may actually change their views on entering. Plus, any atheist that does visit, regardless of whether they will be converted or not, is an extra income that Ken wasn't expecting, at all.
Too many people are ignoring the fact that "context" only matters when the Bible seems evil and morally repugnant. But the things that are obviously fine and just, it's fine and context doesn't matter.
You are joking?
@@tgstudio85 he isn't
Well of course it does? If we are in a debate (for example) and you give me a verse showing God's love why would context matter that much?
@@livaja27Its a double standard. Knowing everything is the entire point of the debate. Just because its good doesnt mean it doesnt need good context
@@Vyloka Fair point
This is the video you made that I keep returning to.
Ya. This one and the noah's ark ones. :)
The Ten Commandments and Bible Contradictions ones are amazing to re-watch too.
Yep
A lot of people don't know this, but those stick figures are still having this conversation to this day! The Christian stick man even switched jobs so they could continue it in lunch breaks, he even moved home! It's gotten quite out of hand!
And some say it's still going on today.
Jesus....
That's one hell of an Argument.
This video is like medicine, I keep coming back to it daily!
Ironically, I quite literally get a kind of numb, happy peace when watching NonStampCollector's videos... the kind I used to get from what I thought to be spiritual experiences. Strange how polar opposite experiences can fill the same void once your beliefs change.
Jacob: that's because you have a "reality and truth" void, those things are thin in our world. Not reality per se, but recognition of reality. We SAY what we wish things were, all too often. We hunger for saying what IS. Good for you, Jacob Stamm! Sending good wishes.
Just make sure you're watching it in the right context!
Whenever someone religious says "it's out of context". My first questions always is "who determines what is or isn't out of context"?
Only the person that wrote it can determine "context".
Raul Leal, exactly!
Only God knows it and we are too stupid to understand. Well, that's what I've been told a few days ago.
@@questionnaire8157 But conveniently the pastors somehow know the EXACT context and then use it to justify terrible things.
+nonstampcollector
have u ever considered being a stand up comedian? this made my night .
+reason reason
"Writer"s get to go over and over and over their lines, never improvising, never memorising, and can stumble and bumble their way through recording sessions knowing that they can fix the screw-ups in the editing stage. Stand-up; not so much. I'd be the biggest flop of all time. I can barely get through 2 lines without stuffing it up even when I've been going over it for weeks.
+NonStampCollector Still Brilliant!
NonStampCollector I know I'm late and seeing this, but have you considered writing books? Maybe self-publishing on Amazon? I sure hope you consider it.
So true
To paraphrase Hitchens: it is ONLY through religion that otherwise objectively harmful, immoral, despicable, henious acts can ever be redefined as 'good.'
Murder is objectively harmful and immoral... unless God commands it.
Human sacrifice is objectively harmful, immoral, and heinous... except when it's 'for God.'
Indiscriminate slaughter of innocent populations, including women and children is genocide and is a crime against humanity... except when commanded by God.
Rape, theft, humiliation, incest, slavery are all objectively harmful, immoral, and despicable... except when God condones it...
To be fair, there are people who see killing as part of a good cause. Take the white supremacists for example, granted most white supremacists are Christian
What's your opinion on abortion?
A late reply to a two-year-old comment? Also, while I cannot answer for him/her, let me ask you a few questions. (I am assuming, for these questions, that you are pro-life, as most people who ask such questions in response to such comments are. If I am mistaken, I thoroughly apologize.) Do you consider a fetus, in the first 7 months of development, to be a human baby? If so, can you back that argument? If both answers are "Yes," then this discussion can continue. If not, then this discussion is mute, as someone who makes a claim, and yet cannot fully support it, is not worthy of debate.
@@jesus_is_god_and_you_know_1669 nani?
Or when Caucasians do it.
If Scripture is infalliable, why do so many struggle to understand it? That seems like a huge flaw to me. God, with His omnipotent grace would be capable of making the book more understandable or, better yet, He would not have trusted men to write it in the first place.
I mean, even if there is a god, concepts such as omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, being all knowing, being immortal, being invincible, being infallible are all impossible
If he's real then he sucks at his job and/or he's a psychopath
@Why are people dumb www.openbible.info/topics/omniscience specifically the second and third from here work pretty well
@Volgen West My guess is that God is a liar and the true Satan or he isnt real
@Volgen West But he did!! He spoke and walked with the people of isreal and they STILL turned from him. That's literally the story of the old testament! You think people will be any different now?
This is an amazingly accurate portrayal of Christians.
This pretty much sums up every discussion I've ever had with Christians about the content of the Bible.
"People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused."
"Mmmm"
"That's one of the tenents of the church of satan."
" >:-("
Mennonites definitely do not. Ignore problems, that's God's way. NEVER try to rectify and resolve any harm LOL are you ridiculous.
13 years later and this has never been more relevant.
I once had a talk with my christian aunt about natural disasters that destroy houses, killing thousands of people and leaving the survivors homeless.
Her answer was:"Who told them to build their houses there?".
At that point I gave up reasoning.
Funniest parts about these sorts of videos is when someone isn't an atheist, and laughs at this, but will defend their own book in the exact same way
I wish I could show this to everyone at the church my mom forces me to go to.
DraketheNintendofan tell her it's pointless to be forced to go to church
+STJ_ Once she said that if she had an athiest son, she would still make him go to church.
So I don't think that would help.
Me to I get it my mom knows I am not a Christian but doesn’t care and makes me go to church
Religion could make people vile. It depends on the region and how strong their devotion is. We should avoid strong generalizations because it shuts down conversation, making it impossible to change minds. Just like “atheist are immoral”, it’s annoying to hear and doesn’t get people anywhere.
@@sirfrancisdrake804 Run away!!!
"God is love..."
Me: dude, you're taking that out of context!
MY ARMOR IS CONTEMPT!
MY SHIELD IS DISGUST!
MY SWORD IS HATRED!
IN THE EMPEROR'S NAME,
LET NONE SURVIVE!
+Emman Mojica So you seem like a Star Wars fan. Ever played Imperial Assault?
Warhammer fan actually
I just used this image because I was too lazy to find another one
Emman Mojica JUST AS GOOD! FOR THE IMPERIUM!
+Emman Mojica Warrior Priest FTW. Beat the fear of the emperor into the enemy.
+Emman Mojica PURGE THE HERETICS IN THE HOLY PROMETHIUM OF TERRA! MAY THE EMPEROR BE MY SHIELD, MAY HIS FURY BE MY SWORD! INTO THE FIRES OF BATTLE, UNTO THE ANVIL OF WAR!
1:59 that face... Its always funny the shock when a theist realises you actually know the bible lol
I love that people are still watching this🤩
Take a shot every time they say context.
I did, but I ran out of bullets :/ and targets.....
shaunpaulcroft I meant whiskey...
I'm not tolerant enough for that to survive.
That's a deadly drinking game.
"mmmm"
That's out of context
That drugged-up "mmmmm!" after each good verse makes me laugh EVERY time.
How am I 10 years late to this?!!!!!!
This has to be one of the most beautiful videos in existence.
I love when they bring up historical context. Even though in my mind I'm just like (note to self apparently god is tied to the ways of the people historically he had no control over them couldn't tell them what was wrong because you know omniscient hindsight and all.)
I read the description, and it made an excellent point that I'd love to expand on.
"I had a conversation recently (on youtube) and we talked about stoning. It occurred to me, that as an atheist, I will never, ever be called upon to defend the appalling practice of stoning. However, a christian who believes that their heavenly father mandated stoning, does have some kind of obligation to EXCUSE those who practiced stoning, and to even implicitly, DEFEND the practice, seeing, as it was, Yahweh's favored punishment.
THIS is what's wrong with christianity. And yes, I know that there is more to it than that. But how warped are your morals, compared to those of an atheist, if the atheist can outright condemn practices such as stoning and burning alive, but you can't, due to your apparent deep personal relationship with the supreme moral law giver of the universe? You know, that supreme moral law giver who said burning people alive was OK? Something is seriously wrong there." - From the description.
The very act of Christians deliberately feeling the need to excuse things about their Bible and their faith shows that they know better than their supposed God. Take Christian apologetics, or any religious apologetics. The practice itself says, "We've grown beyond certain principles and practices, but some things in our religion are still totally passable." It shows incredible discernment not only to determine what religious principles no longer apply, but to determine, yourself, which things work. The fact that a person has it in them to shun old practices of their religion that they believe are bad and excuse them with the fact that some things align with their own innate sense of morality shows that they don't need the Bible to teach them morality whatsoever, and, if anything, it hinders societal progress, because instead of focusing on the crimes of this world that we could all do something to stop if we'd only stop looking upwards or get our noses out of our Bible, Christians spend their time doing mental gymnastics as they pore over their Bibles, expending mental and emotional energy, as well as time that could be put to better use, to make excuses for a God who's more archaic than His followers. It's sort of like having to put up with your dad if he's a drunk. Sure, he does and says a lot of deplorable things when he's wasted, but he says he loves us and sometimes, he's a real swell guy when he feels like it. It would be exhausting to be at the mercy of something like that, not knowing what dad- or God you're gonna be met with. Maybe, when you die, you'll catch him on a bad day, and he'll find some reason to justify condemning you just because that's the mood he's in. I'm sorry, but screw that.
There's a lot of reasons why I'm an athiest - but all that bullshit about morals.. that's what makes me an anti-theist.
I'll give you a context. The context is that it was written by animal sacrificing flat Earthers. There's your context.
I love the "hmmm" every time lmao. Genius level comedy
The little “hmm!” Gets me every time 😂
This video is brilliant I love it! How the voice is actually like 3 voices tripping over each other screaming CONTEXT! It’s exactly what they do LOL
looool.. i've been saying "out of context" randomly all week cos of this video :')
Imade Iyamu It converted you to being a Christian apologist? That's what *they* do.
The scary thing is when some Christians are pressed on the bad parts of the bible they actually justify it. I was questioning a Christian about the story of a man picking up sticks on the Sabbath and being stoned. She said that it was justified because he disobeyed Yahweh. 😱
Well, she can't disobey Yahweh, or she could be stoned to death in the ancient times or just shunned and ostracized in the modern times, in addition to being burned and tortured in hell for an eternity. It's pretty scary to go against all that, even after you realize the hell part isn't true.
Actually, the non-existent creature's name is Jealous... for He is a jealous god! That's commandment #1, of the actual Ten Commandments, BTW
Awkward PR, that...
There’s just something oddly satisfying about listening to the overlapping arguments/gaslighting.
This video is clearly taken out of context.
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CON-TEXT. sounds about right.
See what you did there😎
@@markfindlay8636 One of UA-cam's most creative independent channels. Your a "star" Mark.
I actually kind of used to be like this when I was a Christian
As a Christian i can confirm that this is very accurate, another good one is "The lord works in mysterious ways".
Jorgen That verse is like a Get Out of Jail Free card in Monopoly!
It’s like flipping a coin to decide which one they use
Thanks NonStampCollector, now whenever I hear the word 'context' I immediately start laughing
- "Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself."
- Hmm.
- That was from the Muslim An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith 13.
- Out of context!!!!!!
Hear me out on this one:
If 90% of the bible, and all of the old testament [which contains most of the miracles and infornation about god] is supposedly a metaphor...
Then how big of a stretch would you have to do in order to say that the entirety of the bible, including the existance of god is a metaphor?
Not very far, for the ignorant ones that think 90% of the old testament is metaphorical.
That's pretty much what a lot of liberal and reformed Jews think. The whole concept of Judaism for them is more centered on the cultural and societal aspects, rather than religion. To the extent that belief isn't necessary and the scripture is just viewed as an interesting book of stories. I have respect for those people and really wish there were more of those.
@@synthetictechnocrat9270 The best parts about religion are the practices. It can maintain hygiene, and encourage societal engagement.
"Whatever the context is, you took that verse out of it!" Lmaooo
The creator of this channel is a Saint, an exclaimer of truth.
"Saint Stamp, the exclaimer."
I friggin like the sound of that.
To be fair, the part about the children being mauled by two female bears is hilariously unexpected.
It probably was for them, too.
Just without the hilarity.
Masterful execution of exposing a ubiquitous double standard!!!
If it's horrendous, brutal, savage, merciless, immoral, murderous , petty, heartless, unjust, sickening, appalling, barbaric, cruel, unfair, ridiculous, disgusting...it's then taken out of CONTEXT.
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Seems like much of the Bible IS horrendous, brutal, savage, merciless, immoral, murderous , petty, heartless, unjust, sickening, appalling, barbaric, cruel, unfair, ridiculous, and disgusting.
When I was much younger I was religious and followed alot of the teachings here. Like I was 'all in' and didnt question it at all. I prayed one night and as a 'feel good' to myself I prayed to get affirmation that my own held beliefs were correct something along the lines of "what is your favorite people?".
I then went to bed like normal and didnt think about it at all. I then had a dream of talking to something which in my dream i had thought was god and he said "atheists." and i was just super confused in my dream so i was just like 'what?' and they replied "atheists are my favorite people as they work on bettering the world for no other reason than its the right thing to do. They better themselves and the things around them only bcuz its the right thing to do and not bcuz some book I have nothing to do with told them to. I wish for you to grow as a person and explore and learn about the universe I made for you." I then woke up in a massive sweat. I slowly fell away from the church after that.
Looking back it was likely my brain just trying to think more logically about a situation and parse the contradictions I held all equally true in my head. I dont believe in a god but if there is a god, they are not the god of the bible or any bible for that matter.
@@Mujoujinsoku they can in fact do that. I suggest reading about quantum physics or things like the two slits experiments. It just shows that the 'laws' of the universe are not as... 'finite' as we believe them to be. Also the idea that others laws may or may not exist also could be true.
Other universes exist and we have evidence of it. We however do not know if the same 'laws' that exist in our universe are the same in that universe as technically they do not have to. Gravity could be half the wave it is in other universe or just not be a thing at all.
Or a god could have created it, maybe. but honestly if you start reading about how everything fits together it doesnt make sense that a god set it up. just take the two slits experiment. run the test 100x and if observed it will be the same every time. If you then dont observe it and only plot the outcomes then its entirely different every time. So if god created these 'laws' then why do the laws... not work?
if you have time look up "DR. QUANTUM - DOUBLE SLIT EXPERIMENT" on youtube. if there was a god he would not have setup that garbage
I searched up the bear mailing children story and the justification is hilaaaaaaarious.
Just one of the parts is
"The Hebrew phrase for ‘small boys’ refers to adolescents from 12 to 30 years old (see I Samuel 20:35; I Kings 3:7; 11:17). It is unlikely that these youths were younger than 12 years old.” Contrary to the caricature, Elisha was a young man, probably in his mid twenties, though obviously bald"
Wow so they might have been 13 instead so moral
These video's have actually inspired me more than any church to read the bible, I find myself on bible gateway more than any other time in my life. This guy, Darkmatter2525 and others are getting me more in to the bible than any church.
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Well considering atheism cannot exist without theism, this makes Isaac Asimov sort of a "Captain Obvious" now doesn't it? When we are born, we are neither theist, atheist, or agnostic, for we no nothing of deities to begin with. Once we are made aware, the mind of the individual is the only true force for atheism, and everything else. Sorry, Isaac, but I disagree with your philosophy.
greg77389 Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. Not the belief that one doesn't exist. A baby has made no conscious decision towards belief in any deity and is therefor, technically, atheist.
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Seriously, who came up with these definitions? If I was in charge, I'd say Atheism is what I said it was, and replace it with agnosticism for those who just want to see evidence. It would make much more sense and makes it simpler than saying strong/weak atheism and it actually puts agnosticism on the same plane. For the "middle-grounds" you could just combine the two terms with a hyphen *or*, even better, personally explain your beliefs so there's no confusion at all.
Eh, it is what it is I suppose.
greg77389
How does atheism require theism to exist? Atheism predates theism, since people didn't believe anything before the creation of the first belief system. Atheism existed then just as it does now, and if all theistic religions/traditions vanished tonight, I would still be an atheist.
shaunpaulcroft
Depends on how you define things. A*theism, the root word is theism--essentially means "not theist". Atheism is typically defined as the lack in belief of deities. That is a very broad and not descriptive definition however. At what point do you consider the term "lacking" applicable? If I have anything less than full faith in God, does that make me an atheist? If there was no such thing as theism, the concept of a deity would not exist, therefore the concept of atheism would be rather meaningless. It's just a simple "one cannot exist without the other" case.
Here is the spectrum of belief in God, from complete atheist to complete theist:
[Complete atheist]
1) Does not believe God exists or is even possible to exist (equivalent to number 5 in magnitude)
2) Does not believe in God, however acknowledges that he could exist (most atheists tend to fall here I think)
3) No solid belief. Believes God may or may not exist but isn't sure (agnostic)
4) Believes God exists but acknowledges that he may not (this is probably where I would be)
5) Believes God exists and that there is absolutely no chance that he doesn't.
[Complete theist]
I love how Tyler summed it up: _"I havent't read the full thing, so I don't want an opinion on it"_
I’m a christian, but these videos are addictively funny.
You're the anti-Christ.
Still a Christian after watching all these videos?
@@Korkzorz Haha yeah dude
@@Charles3x7 Just not sure how that works but ok :)
I love how the religious guy has multiple voices going simultaneously when he's mad.
Lol.. "Whatever the context is, you definitely took that verse out of it!"
Fuck it. I'll cherry pick what I want to believe, and ignore the weird/disturbing/other stuff.
Sound good? Great.
Your videos are awesome! I like the simple MS paint art too :D
It always scares me how religious people can say such cruel things, even though they are good people otherwise. Like a colleague of mine; she’s fine saying non-Christians will go to hell, but at the same time she’s so compassionate and caring towards other people. And this exchange student from Myanmar, whom I met in university, said that without Christianity, he wouldn’t know right from wrong, like raping, sleeping with prostitutes, killing... I guess religion helps the weak-minded and non-critical-thinking people in line, but it also scares me...
It is frighting how people who seem normal and moral also go along with horribly immoral things in religion. Like Hell. My parents are quasi Christian (they haven't been to church in years, as far as I know don't pray, etc.) and when I've talked to them about the above they just give out the idea that, "Oh, it's what I believe, I can't change it." Gee, I might take you at your word one of these days. You are too set in your ways to see how eternal torture is the height of immorality.
This is actually fantastic! This really is how a lot of religious people try to defend their holy scriptures, across all religions
I gotta try this discussion with someone who is deeply religious, and see if they follow the script for the other half of the conversation.
Im already doing that, they are
TRUTH!!! It's the New "Hate Speech"!
"During Times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
funny how this mirrors trump supporters when he makes an odd comment
every day lmao...that man speaks as if hes been lobotomized
Yeah... too bad he isn't like your Democratic MSM... as they tell the truth 24 X 7 right! I could list 100 lies in the past 4 years that you probably still believe but I won't because you are every bit as 'religious' in your politics. Best to keep politics out of it... something tells me you are a massive hypocrite in this arena
@@travisjazzbo3490 just a hundred? Trump got that beat inside a week, and his faithful still believe
LMFAO! I peepee a little from laughter Everytime he goes "mhmmm..." Lol! SO True! I'm sure 99.99% of us athiest can relate.
Pinecreek sent me here. Wish I saw this when I was deconverting.
Damn what I wouldn't give to have a conversation on biblical morality with my father that DIDN'T resemble this, a father who supposedly values integrity and character to a fault. The man is incredibly intelligent and fair in all other areas of his life, but when discrepancies like this are laid at his feet, he either dodges/excuses it like the theist in this video OR he finds ways to rationalize it like the theists in your other videos.
I'll share a brief story of talk we had recently. He has brought up, on nearly every holiday/family visit, that he is disgusted with current commercials and narratives spun by mainstream television these days, to the point that he claims to mute the TV during ad breaks, and somehow or other he ALWAYS circles around to detesting the current framing/eroding of the American family, specifically in the realm of promoting 'the gays as the acceptable/normal/right way'. It turns his stomach to see such things. Now, I'll say, fair enough, it's not for everyone and perhaps that is rather an abrasive affront to traditional sensibilities. Fine. But then, on my last stay, I challenged the point, using the 'God is THE perfect moral lawgiver, beginning to end, his morality is unchanging and just, and he made it clear that if a man lies with a man as with a woman, the two must be taken to the edge of the village and stoned to death'... and he ACTUALLY justified it via a mealy-mouthed shrug of (and I'm paraphrasing only slightly here) "Well... if God said DON'T DO IT, and he knew what was best, that such a thing could ruin a society, better that THAT happens than for the whole society to collapse.'
I thought I wanted consistency or honesty out of the man I call my father, but damn... be careful what you wish for. I did not argue that any further. I mean... I could have... but holy shit... how do you have a conversation about morality with a person who thinks the barbaric stoning of people for having sex in the wrong hole is the best and most justified course of punishment because all-knowing sky daddy said it's for the greater good? I mean I'm not gay, and personally, the act kinda turns my stomach too (and the stereotype of them is rather annoying, tbh), but it's none of my business, so go for it. I don't like broccoli or toffee either, but FFS... I wouldn't want people who like those things clubbed to death.
Context does matter.
But what in the right context that slavery, genocide, oppression of women's right is acceptable when your god is omnipotent and omnibenevolence
this is what i'm saying! When is that shit ever okay😭
@@xletix69 guess we were abandoned😭😭😭👌
@@Floydandsome it's part of gods plan tho
The Christian was so defensive that he developed the ability to vocalise numerous counter-arguments simultaneously
"children being killed by bears, sent by yaweh" leaving out the best part. should be "children being killed by bears sent by yaweh because the children made fun of a bald guy's baldness."
Yes I love that story "and they were all killed 50 in total" great writing
2:00 his face I’m dying 😂
And now the new argument Christian's use is that the old testament are ceremonial laws they dont need to follow and the new testament is the right way to go😒
Oh my gosh..I would like to give you 20 dollars for making this video. I'm 100% serious
I'm 100% willing to oblige you there.
www.nonstampcollector.com/coffee
@@NonStampCollector the link is not working
@@juba9575 it was 6 years ago
The part about David and Goliath gives a new meaning to giving "head"
Goliath gave David head?
Hot.
@@NonStampCollector well technically it would be David giving King Saul head ... and gross 😂
Atheism is a religion as much as non stamp collecting is a hobby ☺️
Atheism means that someone doesn't believe in the existence of a God or a being similar to that, saying that atheism is a religion is just as wrong as said oil is drinkable
@@alejandroelluxray5298 what
@@kidkecleon again, atheism isn't a religion cause it doesn't believe in any deity or god, atheism basically means that it negates the existence of any God or deity, and that also applies to any entity related to that deity (The Devil for example), its sort of a doctrine, yes but not as much as a religious doctrine, an anyone can become an atheist
@@alejandroelluxray5298 Re read his comment....
If atheism is a religion, then being dead is a state of mind
For every NSC video, every once in awhile I get skeptical about the claimed verse, and I look it up, and they are always even worse.
Spot-on! Pick any good verse out of the bible and it is fine with them. Pick out something not too nice and you're taking it out of context and cherry-picking.
Read the Bible with context, and become an atheist.