Introducing The Safest Dado Blade on the Planet!
Вставка
- Опубліковано 1 лют 2024
- CMT proudly introduces the game-changing LOCKED DADO PRO. Utilize the safest dado blade on the planet, the only dado stack that is fully UNI EN847 COMPLIANT and legal in the EU. This groundbreaking dado blade ensures that, while in motion, the assembled elements never make contact, thanks to a unique blade body design featuring patent-pending "lock spacers." This locked spacer design ensures that if you ever activate a SawStop brake, the carbide teeth on the chippers will never come in contact with the teeth on the outside blade, preventing shattering and the formation of dangerous shrapnel.
To see how scary it is when a standard dado set undergoes a SawStop brake activation see this video: • How Safe is a Sawstop ...
Purchase you CMT Locked Dado Pro here: shorturl.at/lyAMT
"Runs from 15/64 to 13/16" 🤣🤣🤣 I am so glad we have the metric system. Nice video though!
I wish we did here!
It’s really not that complicated, honestly
Quick, what's the span between 15/64 and 13/16" (no calculators please), then try 6mm to 20mm.
@@snaplashexactly 😂 it’s baffling, the refusal to adopt a much simpler system 🤷♂️ we switched in Ireland, I switched during my career. It just made so much more sense because of the likes of what you said, we have both on most tape measures here, it wasn’t until I started looking at it that it made sense, maybe we need to make double sided tapes more available in merika, ?? Then common sense should prevail
At least in the machining world we go by decimal inches, so there isn't really much practical difference between metric and imperial.
Dado blades are not banned in the EU. They are rare because most machines don’t have powerful enough brakes to stop them fast enough (stopping time is a legal requirement), and in turn those machines are fitted with short arbors to prevent you fitting blades too heavy for the saw. You can, however, buy machines that support dado stacks. They are just rare. Felder sell some.
Witch functions the same way as a ban by not allowing consumers choice to install them just because there not directly stoping you doesn’t mean there not actively modifying your actions
Glad to see you guys stocking this. I bought this last year from Katz-Moses when he was the only source in the US … it's a fantastic dado stack.
From what I understand, Taytools is the "distributor" for Katz-Moses; that is, they hold all the inventory and do all the packaging and shipping. Or at least that's what I've been told.
@@cyberreefguru that would be "fulfillment" not "distribution." Regardless, the KM store had this for sale last year many months before TayTools was selling it (I was actually a bit surprised by this). Glad to see it available more places, though. It's a great dado set.
It is nice.
Sold out! on waiting list. Love your tools.
We'll get some as soon as we can, but there is not many in the US right now.
That's much more affordable than I was expecting!
Dado blades have never been ‘banned’ in the EU/UK - the issue has always been with both blade brake (time to standstill) and guarding. The issue over here is primarily the requirement to reach standstill within a set time, so manufacturers install short arbours for easy import. Freud and CMT dado/groove cutter options have always been available. I bought a Felder 700S over a decade ago with the lengthened arbour/groove cutter option. The only other requirement was an overhead guard to ensure the stack/groove cutter assembly was guarded during use - though even that’s for company liability for worker protection.
All that’s required commercially is appropriate guarding and a decent blade brake. That’s the main issue with DIY/seni-pro models.
People love to debate semantics on subjects like these. If the government makes it very difficult or near impossible for most people to use something, it is effectively a ban. It's like those those chainsaw grinder wheels. A while back the UK made it illegal to sell them for use on an angle grinder. People argued that wasn't a "ban"- but that's merely semantics. If something is illegal to sell for its intended use, it is effectively banned for that use. Or, as with dado stacks- If government policy regarding spin-down time forces manufacturers to shorten the arbors, thereby making it difficult or impossible to use dado sets, then dado sets are banned in all but the strictest definition of the word. Yes, you could technically buy one if you want to hang it on the wall. But most new saws will not accept them. Owning an older or imported saw with a long arbor is merely finding a way around the law, it is not proof that the law doesn't exist. Bottom line is the EU/UK believes dado sets are dangerous and they have legislated them out of most workshops. It's a back-door ban.
@@StumpyNubsThe restrictions were in effect in industry. In a home workshop there is no restriction. Dado stacks have been easily available. Longer arbours have been available. This isn't a semantics debate. Dismissing the comment as such is disregarding the importance of factual content.
@@StumpyNubs No, a ban would, by definition, make it somehow illegal or punishable by a fine or in the likes thereabout to sell these products. That is not the case. We have 230 V, 50 Hz, electrical grid here in europe, most of our appliances are constructed for that voltage/frequence and appliances for 110 volts/60Hz are a bit of a hassle to get by and requires adaptors, that does not in any way shape or form mean that they are banned. The same goes for dado blades. It takes some effort to use them, but they are not banned.
@@StumpyNubs - my exact point. The ‘government’ don’t do anything at all to ‘make it difficult’. I can buy a dado stack right now, online. Safety isn’t semantics - otherwise Sawstop wouldn’t be making a fortune off of their patents. Dewalt (for example) choose not to offer their contractor saws with the long arbour, not ‘the Government’. Several UK and a few ‘US’ imports (Chinese) models are also available for the home/DIY/Hobby market.
No bans. No semantics.
@@mikeshaw9873 - Exactly. Interesting to hear from the US that the chain-type grinder attachments are also ‘illegal’. Again, I can buy one and have it delivered - or ask my colleague Colin to borrow his. 🤷♂️ Amazing how the US bods conflate safety regulations with ‘bans’.
Excellent tutorial on how dado blades work. Here, in the UK, we are no longer members of the EU, but even the blade you show would not fit most of our table saws anyway, as we do not have long enough arbours to accept anything wider than 3mm. Nevertheless, thank you for taking the time to share your experience and knowledge.
Not being a member of the EU anymore makes no difference - dado blades are legal in the EU! The difficulty is that EU (and UK) law requires blades to stop spinning almost immediately once power is cut. This can be done easily via the motor for normal blades, but dado stacks are so heavy that the motor can’t stop them in time. Thus, manufacturers install small arbours so that they don’t need to implement the additional heavier breaking that would be required to comply with the law if their machines officially supported heavier blades. You can however find a few machines that support them, and you can indeed buy dado stack blades. They aren’t illegal.
@@Aethidthat’s exactly my understanding from when the company I ran had a small woodworking shop. I’m not sure how this new set up is thinner than the standard blade set up - or thin enough to fit upon that shorter arbour. I’ve got a 300mm Axminster table saw - it’s fine but no Felder or whatever. I can fit blades upto 6mm wide with the nut still fully on the arbour.
There are ways and means I'm the UK. In my personal workshop I have a stack I use on a DeWalt job site saw.
Which model dewalt
@@Kosh42EFGthe 7485? Where can I get the dado stack from?
Dado stacks are NOT Illegal in the EU there is simply a requirement for the blade to stop within a specific timeframe. The extra weight makes this difficult to do with out upgrading braking fitted to the saw. Most manufacturers don't want to modify their saws just we get shorter arbors making it difficult to use a dado stack. Regulation only applies in professional workshops.
Here's a good explanation ua-cam.com/video/9KiRDUPdhDg/v-deo.html
Just ordered a set from TT. Mike has never misled me on any new tool and I always feel confident in both the product and his advise when I order. Thanks!
Thanks for your trust.
Just ordered mine. Thanks
Thanks
Sounds great. Thank you!
Thanks!!
Wow very impressive about this safety setup they have done , I'm getting one for sure
Great video, here in the UK we’ve been able to have Dado blades for ages, but for the last number of years only professional expensive saws have long enough arbors (and I suspect better brakes), general DIY, home woodworker and contractor or site saws don’t.
Also it looks like those may be 5/8” arbor size rather than the 30mm we have over here?
very cool, thank you for sharing!!
Great video tutorial! thank you!
Thanks!
Excellent!
Thanks!
Signed up for the waiting list...
Great work dude 💖💖
Thanks!
Just ordered one from TT, cant wait to use it...thanks for the video!
Thanks
I plan to order once you get more in stock
Helpful. Thanks
Thanks!
I haven't used my dado stack since I bought a kerf maker.
That's just to comply with new legislation coming in the US regards all new saws having sawstop style technology fitted as standard. Uk comercial market were not able to use as we're not insured for removal of riving knife, plus all eu machine which uk still complies with require a blade stops within 10 seconds.
Good stuff sir ✌️
Thanks!
My sliding table saw arbor has 2 pins going through all blades, and my forrest dado stack has the right holes. I do like the solution on this for typical table saws.
Got one of these and they are very good, mine has a 30mm bore and nylon spacers. ❤
Where did you find it with a 30mm arbor?
@@josephmarc6263 Scott & Sargent in the UK the CMT part number is: CMT 230 DADO PRO SAW BLADE SET D-203 B-6-20 D-30 think the last number is the bore 🎯
The myth about ban of dado blades in EU, again! Dado blades per se were never banned in EU. Regulations say the blade must work with blade guard and must stop within 10 seconds when the saw is turned off. That's it. Newer saws are mostly equipped with a brake, problems are with older saws.
BTW, my neighbour has a Felder saw for a few years now and he bought it with dado stack directly from Felder. Would they sell Ilegal blade?
Dado stacks are perfectly legal in the EU and as far as I'm aware always have been.
How clean and flat is the dado, itself? Does it leave lines, or is it like the Freud SD508 that gives you buttery smooth dados?
1:30 - A full stack of blades can weigh 6 lbs... Yep, that's a seriously scary amount of meat-grinding metal.
But... Did you know that the radio-controlled combat robots that feature in TV programmes such as 'Robot Wars' and 'BattleBots' are around 3' square, weigh up to 250 lbs and can use spinning weapons - solid steel drums, bars, and circular blades - that weigh 80 lbs? (Yes, eighty!) 😲
Their destructive power is frightening; a hit with such a kinetic weapon can fling a 250 lb armour-plated opponent 20' in the air - vertically - or right across the combat arena which is nearly 50' wide. The hardened steel armour is often 1" thick and gets ripped as if it were made of toffee.
[I know this isn't exactly a woodworking comment, but I used to be both a cabinetmaker and a builder of combat robots; I thought this channel's many viewers might find the info re. the amount of damage that horrible great lumps of whirling steel can do to be of intetest.🙂 Stay safe, peeps!]
Someone should make a dado bot then we can all have fun 😂
Adam Savage had an extremely interesting video about the one that they did... crazy scary stuff.
Legislating everything will make society safer.
That's way nicer than my wobble dado. 🤣😂🤣
would this work with the sawstops that are dado compatible and still allow the blade stop feature, or would the plastic/nylon shims cause an issue with conductivity through the stack?
this looks cool but for my projects when i want a groove i just use my router table i made, always works fine, is that what this blade is for? only grooves? cool video thanks
Dado blades have never been banned here in Europe. What have been required is that all table saws are required to stop spinning within a certain amount of time since most table saw injuries where happening when the blade was spinning down and people where thinking it had stopped and were not carefull enough.With a dado blade on the saws would keep spinning for to long after the saw was turned of and would need a muh bigger brake and most saws would not be able to stop the blade quick enough. So the arbor on those blades are different and is not long enough to support a dado blade. There are however some bigger saws that have a better breaking system and can therefore be able to stop the blade fast enough to stop even a dado blade. Those will have a different arbour theen most saws to be able to fit one.
All dado blades are legal in the UK is the saw is designed to take them, the problem we have is our arbors are mostly too short
I was wondering if someone would point this out. The EU did limit the length on the arbor, so this stack isn’t going to fit no mater how much safer it is and it still has the mass to overpower the break and spin for an extended time
Do they work on the Sawstop jobsite saw? Sawstops are really picky on Dado blades because they have to be a very precise diameter or they will set off the cartridge
So I'm curious about one thing... you mentioned that one of the safety issues is the weight of the dado blades, and then later mentioned that these new ones are heavier. Doesn't that exacerbate the problem, or does the fixed-unit design solve that at the same time?
Do the plastic lock spacers stop the SawStop from triggering if they make contact with anything that might trigger them? For example, on a SawStop, you can't can't use plastic spacer shims to correct dado sizes. Blade makers like Forrest make metal shims that don't break the current detecting feature that allows SawStop to work.
No to my knowlegde.
very interesting thank you. it's hard to tell but it looks like your old blade has negative rake teeth and the new one is positive, which would also make it better in a table saw.
I don't think they have ever been banned in the UK it's just that manufacturers didn't produce saws with big enough Arbor.
Most issues would revolve around the grown guard and that you have to remove it if it's fixed to the riving knife.
Axminster in the UK sells a saw that allows for dado blades, the crown guard isn't fixed to the riving knife.
What I don't understand is the regulations in the UK means the blade must stop within 7 seconds so given the extra weight of a stacked dado blade surely that would affect the braking?. Or have I missed something?.
@@AdrianSams Whats not to understand ?? The longer a blade "free-wheels" the more chance of an accidental injury to someone picking up the cut pieces... it really is that simple...🙄
@@AdrianSams more heavy things need more energy to reach speed. But if they reached that speed they have a bigger potential energy and need more energy to be stopped again.
So while heavier things should stop faster, they don't because they carry more energy to, in this case, spin as fast as lighter things. And more energy needs more time to stop
In europe we use what is called a "Crazydisc". It is a single blade that wobbles and can be adjusted to achieve desired cut thickness.
I use a wobbler here in the USA, for years without a problem. The groove is square enough for me, never a problem.
@@Rudy32225 Indeed. Smaller disk x groove width = worse square.
I have a 7" Craftsman wobbler dado that I have used for over 30 years and just love how it works on dressers, desks, cabinets, and move.@@Rudy32225
I was never a big fan of the wobble dados. To eah his own.
Bought it but I encountered a problem that I think would be easily solved by CMT.
I’m using it on a DEWALT 7492, and when I stack for where one of the outer blade or a chipper is not supported by one of the indented big 1,6mm spacers it’s impossible to balance all the elements when tightening the nut, and therefore the spinning assembly is heavily unbalanced and creates a tremendous amount of vibration.
With all the elements connected by the white plastic spacers runs smooth as butter.
CMT could provide a set of spacer with a deeper protusion that could easily solve that problem
Even if I can buy a tablesaw with an arbour long enough for a dado stack, virtually all our tablesaws in the UK are electrically braked, therefore how does this dado set perform with electrical DC braking?
They have never been illegal, but EU requirements meant that the arbour was never big enough to carry them.
The mass is still there and will keep turning when the motor is switch off. They have eliminated most problems and looks a decent tool. Stops people abusing their saw blade by moving wood against the direction of the blade to remove wood between two cuts.
"Mass". I was wondering about that. The blades and chippers have cutouts which would appear to reduce the mass though there is "more" of these new chippers so malt that's a wash, i.e. no real reductions in mass. Also, without electronic braking the blades will spin for much longer than 10 seconds. Alas, my table saw. a 10" Sears Craftsman, is over 40 years old and has no braking of any kind. Way too complex to add as an after-market feature. Though it would be interesting to try.
I understand how the chippers are held in place and the chipper teeth are locked in. What’s to stop the side disc carbide teeth from breaking off if the saw stop is activated? Maybe I didn’t understand the video? I have always been worried since watching the Katz Moses high-speed camera of the dado in the saw stop.
The chiper teeth are locked to the outside blades and nevr get enought momentum to get moving and break off. CMT did 4 activations with a Sawstop and never had the chippers loose teeth. Good question.
Take care with the word 'dado'. It means something very different to woodworkers in the UK. What you call a 'dado' we call a 'rebate'. A dado in the UK is a decorative moulding at waist height on interior walls.
Bought it instantly. Brilliant.
Thanks!
As I understand it, the hobbyist in the EU can meet certain conditions and use a dado blade if their saw can handle it. It turns out that is a fairly high bar, but it can be done.
I've mostly avoided dadoes. Most a rather iffy contrivances. I'll eventually get that CMT set as it seems to me that it is likely to be safer and better-performing for my purposes.
I bought their 6mm groove blade. Almost as quick :)
No conditions to meet, if it fits and you're a hobbyist you can use one, at least in the UK
@@alland1241 if the saw manufacturer does not allow the use of a certain blade types, that might get you into trouble with your health insurance if something happens. As long as nothing happens, as a private person, you can do whatever you want.
@@wernerviehhauser94 Once you buy something the manufacturer has NO say what so ever in what you do with it
@@alland1241 you did not actually read what I wrote, nor did you understand it.
The manufacturer can set operational limits, and if you work outside these limits, you do this at your own risk. The manufacturer doesn't care, neither does anybody else outside of a commercial setting, unless there is damage to deal with - then insurance companies can (and will) refuse payment on terms of "Gross negligence"
additionally.... just go ahead and tell me that Apple doesn't tell you what you can and can't do with your device..... you may have paid for it, but own it you do not.
Honestly, dado stacks are a hangover from a time before better alternatives became available (like router bits). The fact that the EU did without them for so many years shows that aren't needed anymore.
Given that dado blades were illegal up to now, do saws in the EU come with arbors long enough to use this?
Dado blades have never been illegal in the EU.
I think there is another safety feature in there. There are shorter teeth with no caride on them in between the real teeth.
They are used in metal cutting blades to stop the blade taking a too big bite, and do reducing the chance it will drag rather than cut the wood and kick back.
I always thought dado stack had chippers & shims so that no way 5he chipper teeth could hit blade teeth, even in sudden stop! (Norm always added shims)
UK/EU saws don't have long shaft from the motor to take dado blade stack, no guarantee that new blade stack could fit anyway !!
5he, huh. I see you’ve got an Apple product too.
Will this work/fit in: Bosch Professional Table Saw GTS 635-216?
Thank you.
Is it a True 8” or is it like lots of other dado blade that say 8” but are really 8 1/8”.
you say carbide is that the same as the carbide used to make lamp fuel or are they just using the name?
did any pieces of carbide get in the persons chin?
I think in the UK tablesaws are not being used much by woodworkers now, the tracksaw and MFT has really come to the fore, they are a lot more fun to use.
Betteridge's law of headlines:
"Any newspaper headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word 'no'."
UA-cam's law of video titles:
"Any video claiming that something is 'banned in the EU' is probably made by someone who's never even been to the EU, let alone read any EU laws."
Does the chart include metric dimensions for picking the spacer-stack? Plywood today is specified in mm thicknesses.
Sorry yhey do not. They should include this. I mention to CMT.
@@TaylorToolworks I noticed they make a version of this sold in Europe with a 30mm bore which includes a metric thickness guide. CMT's obvious idea that everyone in the USA works in inches is preposterous.
@@David_Best Maybe preposterous, but do the USA machines have metric arbours? Sawblades in the USA are almost always in imperial dimensions. CMT conforms to what is common in the USA.
Felder equipment is always metric no matter where it’s sold. Besides half of the US now works in metric not imperial the saw arbor Felder sliding table saw is 30 mm bore just like in Europe.
@@David_Best Wise of Felder to only sell metric machines. That deserves a compliment! However, the fact remains that the official size measuring in the USA is imperial, and it is logical that European manufacturers conform to this. It seems to me that it is more difficult for most of the USA population to buy a saw with an arbor hole of 30mm than a 5/8". How nice it would be if the USA also officially switched to metric😊 .
I would like to first see how well the dado set cuts through various hardwood veneered plywoods and also how to set this cutter up for metric plywood before purchasing. I haven’t seen any low cost dado blade set perform well in the past.
I'm pretty sure this is the same set CMT sells as metric, just with different instructions on the paperwork. That said, I have yet to find any plywood that's ever consistent enough to just trust what it claims (even baltic birch varies by up to .5mm across the sizes/producers). I always have to resort to test cuts to ensure good matches. As for your other question … I've had this set for a few months but have only used it on solid wood. It performs ok for crosscuts (about the same as a general purpose combination blade) but I'd probably still want to strike a knife line or use masking tape to do a crosscut on thin-veneer plywood.
@@ex-nerd Thanks for the follow up information. Perhaps after you get some more time with this set we can get an update on your experiences with plywood. I would love the low price of this CMT but at the end of the day it’s all about performance and quality of cut.
You touched on it briefly but a BIG part of why these are banned in Europe is the sheer weight.
Not cause of the coasting, there's a max amount of seconds a dangerous tool can run after it's turned of. That law basically requires these tools to have a break in them, increasing the size of the breaks would be trivial.
No the reason weight matters so much is because it directly correlates to the potential energy that saw has when spun up to a couple thousand rpm. A kickback sending a small piece of wood into your gutt, suddenly goes from a NASTY bruise to a trip to the emergency room.
More mass = a backlash event sending anything it can, directly at you all that faster.
I worked as a apprentice briefly in a shop where the owner had gotten hold of a set, I saw a massive table leg probably weighing 5-10 kg get tossed across the entire shop and lodge most itself into the drywall denting out the metal sheeting that covered the outside.
It definitely is not the first one in Europe. Felder has been selling them for ages. I bought one in 22011.
I did not know that.
Sauter does, too. They just aren't common. One big reason is that, at least m8st of the shops I know in Germany, are not small (couldn't make enough money that way) and use dedicated tool like "Verstellnuter" (should translate to "groove cutter") or table routers (NOT router tables). A Dado stacks, to me, seems like a solution for a small shop with one or maybe two saws, and we simply don't have many of them here. I'd personally use the router table or my grooving plane (once I vet to fix it), since I would not trust my Scheppach saw to handle that amount of metal.
I am confused - You said one of the main reasons they are dangerous is because their mass is so high, they don't slow down fast enough. But the new chippers are even more massive, although the outer blades probably weigh less due to the cut outs. So does this new dado slow down faster when power is turned off?
Maybe not but the teeth don't shear in the event of an abrupt stop. That's the biggest advantage.
I live in the Netherlands and I've been using dado blades for at least 25 years now (not that anyone would check). In fact my Felder Kappa 550 panel saw came with a stack included from the factory. What is still "illegal" is to install dado blades on jobsite or hobby saws that don't have the power and arbor size to support them. Only insurances would perhaps care in case of an accident. There's no dado police in the EU. 😉
Well now you've given them the idea. Expect the dado police any day now ;-)
*Als je verspaningsgereedschappen als professionele houtbewerker gebruikt dienen deze aan de NEN 847-1 te voldoen. Als je personeel in dienst hebt dient dit ook in het RI & E plan te staan, voor ZZP ers gelden uitzonderingen.
*Voldoen je gereedschappem niet aan de NEN 847-1 norm (De eerste letter staat voor Nederland) en gebruik je ze professioneel dan kan het zijn dat bij ongelukken de verzekerings maatschappij niet uitkeert! Staat bijna altijd in de polis.
*Er is dus wel degelijk een "dado police" in the EU, want het betreft een verspaningsgereedschap.
*Als particulier zal de verzekerings maatschappij bij ongelukken niet naar de regelgeving kijken.
*Een dado in europa is in geen geval illigaal.
@@jan7020 Ik heb nu een Felder K740S met een "Uitbreidingsfrezen voor cirkelzagen" (kan je vinden in hun shop). Vroeger bood Felder de klassieke dado set aan.
@@mururoa7024 Heel mooie machine! en met perfecte frezen (en.......volgens NEN 847-1 😊) Dat is toch een stuk prettiger dan een DADO? Fijne dag verder.
Great idea but, I think, not for Sawstop owners. The additional mass of these chippers increases the stopping time for the Sawstop brake system. Similarly, Sawstop do not recommend blades with depth limiting shoulders. These also increase the stopping time for the brake system. In all, a great idea for regular table saws but not for Sawstop.
Can I add chippers to my cmt box join set? I'd like to get to .5 instead of 3/8.
Is the other issue for us Europeans is the size of the Arbor on our table saws cannot accommodate a dado stack?
While informative, there's a couple of, to me, important bits of information missing; what size(s) do these in and, of course, how much?
As they're not particularly easily available in the UK, there's alternatives that are just easier, safer and quicker. For less than the price of this dado stack - £200 give or take - I bought 3 routers which are permanently fitted with straight cutters for the dadoes that I cut regularly. No blade swapping and instantly available out of a cupboard. They cover 90% of my dado cutting at least, and for the occasional one that isn't covered by those 3, swapping a router cutter is way faster than fitting a dado stack. So it's a nice bit of engineering, but I just think the problem it solves has already been fixed in a better way 🤷
Any updates on restocks?
Dado blades ARE legal in the UK and EU, there are plenty of saws over here that have them. There are a couple of issues, namely the blade needs to stop within so many second, 8 or 10 I think, and you're not supposed to operate a tool without a guard.
They are 100% legal though 👍🏼
Since its intro on your website, have you just increased the price on this out of stock item?
We had an intro price that was very low with minimal margin for use and we did have to raise the price a bit. Sorry about that. They are still 20.00 moe on Amazon.
@@TaylorToolworks Thank you for your candor and prompt reply. I wonder what thickness would be supported on a Skil, red, 10" jobsite saw on a USA arbor?
The EU never BANNED the dado.
Does this mean the dado blade can survive a saw stop cartridge engagement, and can still be used?
I would think that the SawStop braking cartridge would still engage the dado blade's carbide teeth -- most likely the outer blades, but possibly the chipper blades too -- and if any teeth are damaged, that would render the dado blade unsafe/unusable until repair or replacement.
As you put people over the pond can not use these.the reason is the table saw don't have the length of shaft and also we like our fingers too much😀😀
Blades are legal in the EU. The machines they run on need to have brakes
Dang sold out… Never used a dado stack due to safety concerns but after watching this definitely want to try this one out. Any concerns with this working on a job site table saw?
We'll have more soo. Put you name on the email sign up to be notified the second they are back in stocck.
@@TaylorToolworks Signed up right away and keep checking just in case but no luck. Not sure how long I can hold out 😅
Would still prefer this have been 24 teeth
So we can buy things from your website in europe ? : D
Ho nooooo, i've checked, you deliver to fiji island but not in belgium, germany, france, etc.
Oi! You got a loisence for that dado?!
How long before they are back in stock?
There are few in the US right now. It may be a few weeks to months.
Available as metric stack?
If this is meant for Europe, why would the measurements on the chart be in inches?
Incorrect. Axminster have been selling dado stacks in the UK for years designed to be used on their saws which are made to accommodate dado stacks.
Heavier blade will also take more energy to spin up to speed.
You are right and the mass carries it throught the cut.
Im pretty sure thee blade shown is band because they have no Spandickenbegrenzung xD translates to chipthicknesslimiter?
Great video. The shame is that most EU wood workers still won’t be able to use these as the arbors on EU tables saws are too short to take a blade that thick. Thank you for sharing though!
Mine's ordered. Needed a new stack anyway as one of my teeth has a chip..
I don't think dado stack manufacturers care one iota about your safety if all it took to make them not spin after the outer blades stop is a notch and a groove.
I mean... I'm not an engineering genius, and I could have come up with that idea.
My box cutter dado set I will keep. Just duck if the Saw Stop is tripped. What do I do with my other 6 dado sets?
I don't have 6, but I do have 3!
So many great products in your shop, but no shipping to Germany ;-(
I dont know why would you ship italian made, readily available in eu blade from us
I was thinking about other products like the sharpening system. You are right: not the best video to comment on this
But most things you can find in europe albeit much more expensive (but it would be even more expensive to import)
I wouldn't say these are legal to run, even if you have a crown gaurd large enough to accommodate this tooling you would also need to remove the riving knife which its secondary function is to guard the back of the blade ultimately making the machine no longer legal to use in a production setting. I must add as well none through cuts are a illegal cut on table saws without additional guarding like feather boards or Shaw guards.
Maybe this tooling can be run as a trenching head on a crosscut or radial arm saw? Although i would prefer to use an adjustable grover with top hat reducers to perform the same task.
I must add this is all following the HSE regs and the PUWER regs for industry what people do in their shops is up to them.
after checking CMT's website, they do not offer the dado set for sale in the EU. and there is no mention if they ever plan to do so. for a minute i was hopeful, but alas the geniuses in brussels haven't relented.
buy the right saw. or are you seriously complaining that Porsche wheels do not fit on a Lamborghini?
@@wernerviehhauser94 you must be replying to a different comment. how does buying the right saw come into the picture of the dado blade not being available on the EU market?
@@HolzMichel because they are available. Have been since decades. Just nobody wants to by them in Europe since there are better tools for the job. And there are not that many saws that can fit them. IIRC Felder sells some saws that can fit Dado stacks, and Sauter has been offering blades at least since 2011.
Thing is, in the US, there are MUCH more small shops with just a handful of employees or even just a single person. They have one saw to do it all, therefore they use Dados. The capentry shops I know here are usually larger. They often have larger tools, and more of them. So they often have a dedicated table router (NOT a router table) or groove cutter (works like a Dado but uses dedicated router blades instead of saw blades). I guess you speak German, so look up "Verstellnuter". Some larger Formatkreissägen and Tischfräsen exist that can accept these cutters, but they are large and expensive.
A Dado stack is, in Europe, a solution to a problem than only DIYers have. But that does not mean I would mount a Dado stack on my Scheppach. I would use my router table or make two cuts and remove the rest with a router - or even use a router plane.
@@HolzMichel second try since YT won't display my first answer. Felder sells saws that can accomodate grooving blades. Sauter sells Dado stacks since 2011. Look up "Verstellnuter". So if you have the right machine, there are grooving blades for it. They just aren't cheap, but they are better than Dado stacks. Personally, I'd use my router table for this job, since I would not trust my Scheppach saw to handle that amount of metal.
And it's not Brussels. Dado stacks have been prohibited by the Berufsgenossenschaft. But only DIYers cared since professional shops often had a dedicated grooving machine anyways. But if you market is only cheapskate DIYers, would you put effort into marketing complex tools?
BTW... that isn't a blade. It's a stack. The distinction is important.
I think that you need to re-title your video, CMT and Freud have been selling dado blade sets within the EU for many years. Dado blade use has always been accomodated within the EU Directives covering floor standing table saws.
I'm sure there is other tools more adapted way less dangerous for this type of work 🤔
Dadostacks are not forbidden in Germany. It's called 'Verstellnuter' here and used widely.
The problem is the machines itself. The blade has to stop in 8sec when the motor is switched off.
If you add more mass to the blade, on a machine that is not supporting that extra weight, you'll have a longer time to stop ore you might even damage the brake. Pro saws, such as e.g. Felder, are better prepared and are able to use 'Verstellnuter' as well as single blades.
For private woodworkers a look on the "Dewalt 7492 " might be interesting.
It's an affordable saw and doesn't differs to the US model but in the voltage - and in private that 8sec rule is AFAIK meaningless.
I thought heavy blades put unnecessary stress on the motor 🤔
Just keep that plastic shim out of the sunlight and extreme temps. Embrittlement is a thing.