A new Jerusalem in the Americas-the convento of Acolman

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
  • A conversation between Dr. Lauren Kilroy-Ewbank and Dr. Steven Zucker in the atrium of the ex-convento, San Agustín de Acolman, Acolman de Nezahualcóyotl, Mexico

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  • @ArtHistorywithAlder
    @ArtHistorywithAlder 3 роки тому +3

    Whether or not people like the history, I love how art and architecture gives us insights into our past and connects us with people across time and culture

  • @MrMayorqw
    @MrMayorqw 3 роки тому +3

    Aside from the fact that the crafstmen would be primarily indigenous, the fact that some native symbols (like the symbol for Acolman) were included could also be a nod to the co-opting of native elites - who would be the ones able to read pictograms - by the Spanish secular and religious authorities; a lot of the communication with native peoples would be undertaken through native intermediaries and in local languages (particularly Nahuatl, given the previous hegemony of the Aztec Tripple Alliance).
    We see a reflection of this in the fact that many colonial-era codices (that detail Mesoamerican history and mythology) are written in local pictograms, by clerics or scribes who either were of indigenous descent or worked through such intermediaries. This of course is not to discount the brutal nature of colonial rule, or the primacy of the Europeans, but it does speak to the fact that certain aspects of native culture remained important in the language of power, to the point of being included in a structure which so ardently asserts the triumph of the Spanish conquest and Catholicism.

  • @c7261
    @c7261 3 роки тому +5

    That St Catherine of Alexandria has to be one of the most frightening things I've seen. "The religion of peace" indeed 😂

  • @chrishayes5755
    @chrishayes5755 3 роки тому +19

    beautiful in one way, and quite disturbing in another..

  • @stiannobelisto573
    @stiannobelisto573 3 роки тому +3

    Fantastic, beautiful title even🙂

  • @tattianasalles3019
    @tattianasalles3019 2 роки тому +1

    The spanish colonial architecture is about demonstrating power. In Mexico, Peru, Colombia, Sicily, Philippines...Wherever spaniards gone.

  • @Xergecuz
    @Xergecuz 3 роки тому +1

    Whenever pirates, bandits or a rebel native american tribe would attack a town, the entire town would go to these convents to defend from them.

  • @Sasha0927
    @Sasha0927 7 місяців тому

    Saint Catherine isn't the subtle type, I see! 😅 I do like the design of the open-balcony chapel, though. I wonder what it would've been like to hear a sermon in a space like that.
    ...actually, after hearing more of what Dr. Zucker had to say about how the service was conducted, I'm sad about it. I wouldn't have enjoyed that experience at all! Not to mention the message that it sends to early converts - Christ would've faced the people... It just seems to miss the point entirely. Bonus for not being allowed in the church! Omg.
    Idk how well I paid attention to the rest of the video, but the "Alcoman" pictograph was cool. 😒
    And Dr. Zucker made me laugh with the "columns are much heavier" bit. There's that New Yorker again. 🤭
    What a ride this video took me on...

  • @lewhensilvar3521
    @lewhensilvar3521 3 роки тому

    Were the Indigenous people not allowed inside the church cause they were Indigenous or cause they weren’t part of the order?

  • @deepquake9
    @deepquake9 3 роки тому +2

    Love you guys. I appreciate ‘religion’ very much PRIOR to politicalization. Long time ago...

    • @c7261
      @c7261 3 роки тому +6

      Religion prior to politicalization? 🤔 Good luck with that...

    • @mestizo1521
      @mestizo1521 2 роки тому

      This convent is political. It was there to convert the indigenous population to Spanish subjects.

    • @deepquake9
      @deepquake9 2 роки тому

      @@c7261 was called by the white man- paganism or shamanism.

    • @deepquake9
      @deepquake9 2 роки тому

      @@mestizo1521 obvious. was called by the white man- paganism or shamanism BEFORE