Best Minivan Comparison: Kia Carnival vs. Toyota Sienna vs. Honda Odyssey vs. Chrysler Pacifica
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Mark Twain may or may not have once said, "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." We feel the same about the minivan. Once the go-to for expanding families, the minivan has taken a back seat to the midsize SUV over the last couple decades. However, we are here to tell you that the minivan is back and better than ever. In this video, Ryan ZumMallen and Mike Schmidt from Edmunds take an in-depth look at the best minivans. In this minivan comparison, we test the new 2022 Kia Carnival and see how it stacks up against the Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey and Chrysler Pacifica.
Replacing the Kia Sedona, the new 2022 Carnival is sure to turn some heads. The Carnival's distinctive look, with styling that practically resembles an SUV, sets it apart from minivan mainstays such as the Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna and Chrysler Pacifica. Kia also set out to make Carnival the most powerful minivan, giving it a class-leading 290 horsepower. Inside, the Carnival features the quintessential qualities that you'd expect from today's minivan. On top of the multitude of parking cameras and an abundance of USB ports, the Kia Carnival's interior is spacious, versatile, and easy to get in and out of.
The Toyota Sienna is quite possibly the most recognized minivan on the planet, thanks to some clever marketing from Toyota that dubbed the Sienna the "Swagger Wagon." Nicknames aside, the Sienna provides everything you'd expect from a minivan. It has a comfortable and spacious interior, ranks high on safety tests, and features plenty of tech to satisfy the whole family. For 2021, Toyota set out to improve the fuel economy of the Sienna. The new 245-hp hybrid drivetrain gets an EPA-estimated 36 mpg combined.
Did you know that the Chrysler Pacifica was the No.1-selling minivan in the U.S. in 2020? It sold over 10,000 more units than the runner-up, the Honda Odyssey. When you look closely, it's easy to see why. The 2021 Pacifica, with its updated styling and available all-wheel drive, has some of the best attributes of an SUV to go along with the excellent practicality of a minivan. The interior of the Pacifica features the Stow 'n Go seats, a unique feature that allows you to fold the second-row seats into the floor in mere seconds. The controls of the Pacifica are easy to use, and getting in and out of it is a breeze.
The Honda Odyssey is the top-rated minivan on Edmunds. It offers modern technology, gobs of interior space, and pleasing levels of luxury and convenience. The Odyssey is also a pleasure to drive. The V6 engine offers enough power on the streets and on the highways, even with a cabin full of passengers. Of the four minivans compared in the video, the Honda Odyssey easily offers the best driving experience of the group. We'll miss the vacuum option from previous years, but the kid-friendly features and ultra-quiet cabin help rank the Honda Odyssey at the top of most "Best Minivan" lists.
The Sienna, Pacifica and Odyssey have dominated the minivan market for years now. But with the arrival of the Kia Carnival, they have some serious competition. So if you're in the market for a great family hauler, we encourage you to take a look at these minivans. SUVs are all still the go-to for growing families, but this new generation of minivans offers a lot of the same features and conveniences. Trust us, these aren't the minivans you grew up with and you won't be disappointed. This is our 2021 minivan showdown with the brand-new Kia Carnival, Toyota Sienna, Chrysler Pacifica and Honda Odyssey.
Best Minivan Showdown: edmu.in/3pWmTGp
2022 Kia Carnival review, pricing, & pictures: edmu.in/3ziGC7f
2021 Toyota Sienna review, pricing, & pictures: edmu.in/3xiMfjQ
2021 Chrysler Pacifica review, pricing, & pictures: edmu.in/3xcPDwM
2022 Honda Odyssey review, pricing, & pictures: edmu.in/2RRdsve
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Interior/Features 02:14
Driving Impressions 04:38
Edmunds' Take 07:02
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How do you do a minivan comparison and not talk about child car seats?!?!
Because just like every vehicle these days, they are no longer about family functionality. The are grocery store parking lot queens. A status symbol among soccer moms. They are filled with gloss black plastic and over complicated gimmicky technology.
I agree, I'm researching minivans because I have 2 kids in car seats! I need to know how car seats fit in them. 🤔
@@MarieDBrown-fw4du check out the car mom!! She’s incredibly knowledgeable about vehicles and car seats!
@@ezmima1175 i will, thanks!
Because its a shitty review
You are NUTS!!!! The Toyota and the Odyssey run circles around that!!! I personally know two couples who bought the Pacifica and in less than a year they traded it in and got Siennas
We did the same because there were so many issues but instead of a Toyota we got a Honda odyssey
I miss when minivans were affordable with no frills. Like early 2000s minivans
Even nearly all of those came standard with automatics, air conditioning, power windows and locks and ABS. You’d have to go back to mid 90s and earlier to find minivans without those things (depending on what your definition of frills is).
Remember those vehicles didn't have all the safety features today's cars have. The Chrysler voyager is a cheaper van that still has the safety features. It is sad how expensive vehicles have become though 😕
You can still get a 2020 caravan for super cheap
@@ALMX5DP I mean frills like cameras in cab, vacuums built in, tvs on headrests and such.
@@CRAPO2011 That’s true!
I have a new 2021 Sienna and love it! We spent several months researching vans and found the Chrysler to be over priced and forums stating all sorts of issues with the plug in hybrid system. The Kia carnival was our other top choice but it gets around 19 mpg in real life daily driving and with gas prices on the rise we really wanted fuel efficiency. Toyota is a super reliable brand and once we test drove it I could not sell my POS Ford Explorer fast enough. It's so quiet, so comfortable and the super slide seats are amazing. I have a newborn with a gigantic rear facing car seat, my husband can have his seat all the way back and there's still a half foot of room between him and the baby. My older son is front facing and sits comfortably behind me. Neither was possible in our SUV. Averaging 35.4 MPG!
We just bought a 2020 Explorer. Traded our 2014 Durango (which was paid off and never had an issue). The Explorer is awful. Jerky, awful braking, up shifting/down shifting is rough…it’s a piece of junk. We are looking to go back to a Chrysler product ASAP and have a second child on the way. Thinking it’s van time. Pacifica. But will have to look at the Sienna as well.
@@jasonweidman2614 Good luck. I did my research and wanted a Sienna. Local dealer said they aren't taking orders but I can put $1K down and agree to pay $5K over MSRP for whatever they happen to get in, which will probably be over a year. I said no thanks. Chrysler dealer would be able to order with a 60-90 day wait but wanted $8K over MSRP. Uh, no. Used ones are going for more than new in some cases. Probably end up driving our Town & Country into the ground I guess.
Was a toss up between the Kia Carnival and Chrysler Pacifica for us. However, Kia dealers wanted $5k above MSRP for the SX Prestige trim. The Chrysler dealer gave us $2.5K off. That, and the $7.5K additional Fed Tax savings, fuel savings on the Hybrid and comparable feature set made us swing the Pacifica Hybrid Limited way. Just drove it home yesterday and we are very happy!
That’s my issue with Kia dealers. Most are absolutely terrible to deal with.
The PacHy is the winner with almost double the mpg of the Sienna Hybrid in daily driving!
Pick up my Pacifica hybrid Pinnacle 3 weeks ago and man Only drove 1500km/930miles and 1.3k/806miles on Battery and 200km /124miles on gas.. Still have the same gas since day one we pick it up.
Originally wanted the Sienna but man.. Toyota dealerships was like we will give 1k off the best deal in town.
Pacifica hybrid has 2k off from FCA and 5k off federal incentives it was no brain
$5k above msrp for a kia?!
@@mtnx7 they wanted $7.5K more than MSRP on a Telluride SX Prestige and between $2.5K and $5K on a Carnival SX Prestige. It’s because people are ready to pay the premium on a depreciating asset that dealers can ask for these ridiculous prices. No, not for me, thank you!
I was THIS close to buying a brand new Carnival. Due to the dealership wanting about 10K+ between fees and taxes, I went with an older Sienna. I LOVE the V6 on it. Really, you can't go wrong with any of these. For me it is: Toyota, Kia, Honda, and Chrysler.
Kia and Hyundai are sister company, meaning used the same engine and electrical parts. If anything happens, expect a long wait from Korea.
Seen many and I mean many Hyundai and Kia (used to work for both of them) in the service department parking waiting for new engine or electrical parts from Korea.
Glad you made the right choice. Wish you did get the new Sienna. They have a strong and a good Hybrid system. Same older model being used like their Highlanders, RAV4, Camry and even Corolla hybrid. That says alot for reliability.
I've had 3 Chrysler minivans. I think people just assume the Toyota and Honda are better, but they're not. The features in my Pacifica Limited just aren't there, even in the top trim Sienna and Odyssey. I've never had any issues aside from regular maintenance.
i love how in the thumbnail the carnival is just trying to squeeze its way into the group photo
Every dealer in California’s Bay Area is charging 5K to 8K markup on new Sienna. It’s absolutely insane. I means it’s a minivan for middle class not a special edition sports car for wealthy. Why is this happening? Are you listening Toyota?
The Biden Regimes America.
Just went to the dealer to see the 2023 Pacifica Hybrids. One trim was 5k, while the others a whopping 10k mark ups. 😥
Recently had a 2022 Pacifica as a rental. 16K miles. Smart Cruise Control would randomly disengage, which took out the normal CC, and automatic braking. Though when it was available, if a car in the lane next to me would brake, the van would unexpectedly hard brake to a stop. Also when stopping (like at a light) under light to medium braking, at the very end of the brake, the van would surge forward, needing me to push the brake pedal harder, making a smooth stop impossible.
That sounds like a nightmare and accident waiting to happen
What would you pick I have narrowed it down to:
: Chrysler Pacifica pinnacle
:Kia carnival s.x prestige
: Toyota sienna platinum
Kia dealerships are literally asking above MSRP and driving customers over to their competion
Now with the mark ups they add more thousand dollars.
@@luckybaldivicio5830 lol give it time aroind Christmas time when its time for them to
Clear their inventory and hit sale numbers they would come
Down give bonus ??? (Bullshit) basically its a sale tactics they mark up the price and than lower it to the original price and sell it to you without giving you any real deal...
We ordered our carnival today can’t wait
Still have my 2002 Odyssey EX with 250,000 miles on it. If you plan on keeping it, get the Honda or Toyota. Doubt the other two will last even vaguely that long.
I have dodge caravan, everyone said it’s bad, don’t buy, it’s now 1.70k miles.. it’s working fine, have no engine issue.. Pacifica comes from the same line up engine..
This generation Odyssey has one of the highest rates for having issues. No.
Kia in 2022 is completely different Kia 2002.
100% agreed with you
@etvow Define better.
I won't buy a Chrysler because of reliability and resale... which they never bother scoring...
Which one is the best one to have for power chair?
If long-term ownership experience was taken into consideration, Honda and Toyota would be 1 and 2. When was the last time you could trust a Chrysler for 100k miles?
Absolutely, 110% agree with you!! See my comment I just wrote. I was shocked he rated the Chrysler as number one when their reliability is some of the worst in the industry. Last video of his I'll watch. I guess looks and creature features, which rarely work as they should for any length of time in a Chrysler, are more important than reliability and longevity. As well as safety as you'll see in my novel I wrote.
The Honda doesnt even compare to the Sienna mechanically ! The 2016 Sienna was the best mini van ever made !
@@muddyriverdogz Stop Lying
@@kingofuseddurablecars.ls6040 Your not really the king of durable cars are you.
I'm on my second Chrysler van with over 100K. There's been a few repairs over 200K of driving of course, but nothing to make me not trust them. I've owned lots of brands over the years, and the main thing I've found is that taking care of vehicles and doing proper maintenance tends to go a lot further than the badge on the grille.
I was looking for a van this year and I was very excited about Sienna with its hybrid drive. In real life I was quite happy about its dynamics, but ... the design and implementation of rear seats and everything behind front seats seemed poorly made, especially when looking from the back lift-gate. I felt the rear interior design was an afterthought to the power train for $50K, which I could not stomach.
In the end I went for top of the line Odyssey.
Ideally I would love to see Odyssey interior with Sienna's hybrid powertrain and its efficiency.
Good luck with that, Honda are know to have issue with their power train as overall value. Toyota been using the same engine and drivetrain for the Sienna. I do hope your Odyssey is reliable as you think.
This is the problem with car manufacturers and consumers, buy into features and interior quality(like you said), but knowing that Toyota been in the game with their Hybrid vehicles this long and to decided to put it on a Sienna will tell you about their quality. Well unless you leasing the Odyssey than goodluck otherwise.
I do like the Pacifica for it feature but not knowing their engineering of their Hybrid is enough to choose Sienna.
@@DSPNWtoCali Toyota is using brand new drive train for 2021. And as I have said, I wanted to like it, but their design of rear part of the van feels like a cheap afterthought for $50K. For $30K I would think about reliability and close my eyes on the design, but for $50K I just could not do it.
I agree about the third row seat in the Sienna. It seemed cheap and very uncomfortable for an adult, hard, short cushion and my head brushed the roof. Third row in a minivan should be comfortable... I have a 2013 Odyssey and the third row is comfortable, so I don't know what Toyota's excuse is. Also, having a minivan that I can't put anything really big in because the middle seats don't come out defeats most of the reason for me to get a minivan!!! I'd like to check out the Carnival... but hard to find one to look at.
@@TheVitalishe the drivetrain from the Sienna is the drivetrain from the Highlander, Rav4, and Camry hybrid. It’s been around for awhile. Honda still has a timing belt V6 in their vans, driving maintenance costs up.
You've made a very good choice. The odyssey is the best Van out there. My friend have a 2014 Sienna, and I own a 2008 Odyssey and though mine is older it is way more durable and looks better. My friend sienna interior is falling a part. I had to go with my screw gun and tapping screws to screw things on on the side of the seats, and the dashboard is coming a part. The materials are cheap and weak.
What is the fire issues with the plug in hybrid pacifica
Need a rear wheel drive minivan. Toyota previa seems to be the last rwd minivan offered in North America. Too bad its crash tests practically ruined its name.
Kia Carnival will be like Telluride in the minivan market.
what does that even mean?
@@T2ManOnTheMoon I’m assuming he means it will be the best selling minivan.
No lol
It was definitely be best in class
Do any of the offer the safety to buyer with a Sparetire?
I have owned a 2012 Honda Odyssey for the last 6 years and I love it. My wife and I have three kids so it makes taking everyone around easy. My wife and I have also used it as a mini camper van with a twin size memory foam mattress fitting in perfectly. Gas mileage has been much better than anticipated, on the highway I've actually gotten 30.6mpg on a 5 hour road trip. Around town I average 20mpg. It's been perfect on reliability. My biggest complaint is the drivers seat is way too firm for longer drives, I use a seat cushion and I've even thought of getting the bottom cushion replaced at an automotive upholstery shop (I'm only 40 by the way and yes it's really that uncomfortable)
You haven't done the $1,000 timing velt/water pump yet? I hope the trans does not take a dump as Honda V6 trans are the worst!
@@normt430 I didn't know I had to tell you the maintenance I've done, yes the timing belt and water pump has been done. As for the transmission I've had 0 issues in 6 years.
@@CruiseControl1 all part of expensive Honda maintenance. At least you don't have AWD from Acura or from the CR-V/Ridgeline as you have to factor in rear differential fluid change every 30,000 miles.
@@normt430 Did Honda hurt you or what? You seem very bitter. Most cars have a timing belt that needs to be replaced, Honda is not the only one.
Also not all Honda's have a belt, my 09 Honda Civic Si Coupe in Orange Pearl has a timing chain and runs like it's brand new with 188k miles on it, I also track it here at PPIR here in Colorado so it's not treated delicately.
@@CruiseControl1 of new vehicles it is mostly just Honda and Acura. That gets pricey ever 100K at $1,000 a pop!
I test drove a 2020 Odessa with 17K on the odo.....Putting the cruise control on 60, I got to 31 mpg pretty quick....Don't zoom, zoom, zoom and you'll get excellent mpg....this is the one I want.
I have the sienna limited awd and its amazing its a bit underpowered but it moves great for a van and that mpg is amazing
Edmund's is only getting 31.9 mpg...not that great with you have a PacHy that costs less and sees +80 mpge daily driving.
@@normt430 i get 34.8 mpg thats not bad and its more reliable than a chrysler for sure
@@normt430 At least the Sienna will still be getting 32 mpg with 300,000 miles on the odometer. The Pacifica Hybrid sound like a nightmare to own after 3 years.
@@nidalalwan5697 CR has them at similar reliability. Plus the Toyota is new as with all Japanese cannot make the Top 10 in Initial Reliability according to J.D. Power. I guess they all need to go back to dealership for repair.
@@ThirdBrainLives Consumer Reports has reliability very similar. New Japanese products have never been reliable when new and thus is a new design. No Toyota leads in any segment with quality today.
I own the Honda Odyssey for more than 4 years and it's good for the most part. The only real issue is the transmission. There is power delivery hesitation at low speeds and jerks sometimes. The other issue is that the Odyssey seems to guzzle gas. I can only get like 18 mpg most of the time.
I went to Lake Tahoe a few times already and it's good on some ice / snow with tire chains. I am thinking of switching to the Sienna for the AWD and hybrid powertrain. The non-removable second row is really kind of a deal breaker. I carry lots of stuff sometimes and need to remove the second row.
I rented the 2018 Chrysler Pacifica with around 30K miles this year in Maui and it felt like a 10+ year old high mileage vehicle. The whole vehicle felt very unrefined and was squeaking constantly with the bumps. There was so much road and engine noise in the cabin. The rear AC didn't work at all in the hot humid Maui weather. The only good thing about the Pacifica was that it had good power delivery with no hesitation. All the controls and how everything operates just feels unrefined and cheap.
When I got back to my home airport parking and drove off in my Odyssey, I was surprised how quiet and refined it is. A week in the rental Pacifica really changed my perception on my own minivan at home.
Sienna is not slow. This is a misleading review. The acceleration is acceptable for a minivan.
3rd generation Siennas are fast and reliable !
We bought a 2022 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Limited S two weeks ago. The engine shut down/stalled while driving on the freeway and the van had a massive electrical malfunction. This happened dozens of times on surface streets as well. Chrysler took the car for a week, couldn’t “recreate” the stall and gave it back to us. The next day, back to stalling. Terrifying to have you car shut off while driving 65 miles per hour on the freeway with your children in it. Live Videos of electrical malfunction on my channel
That's your dumbass fault for buying a Chrysler/Dodge anything
The recall was over this, did u get it fixed?
How does the 3 row seat look?
Sienna 👑❤
Where is the ford Transit connect or Mercedes Metris
The huge advantage in fuel economy, availability of AWD, and Toyota reliability make the Sienna a no-brainer
Looks like Honda hasnt lost their mojo with fwd handling and steering. Always have liked how the odys handle smaller than they are.
And most importantly, a second row that is both removable, unlike the Sienna, and comfortable, unlike the Chryslers
@@Blank00 a lot less people remove the second row than you think.
Chrysler Pacifica, you can fold the second and third row without removing the seats. Then, you can put any furniture that you want. It is so convenient when you can buy an used sofa and use your own car. You can't do that with other cars. Who doesn't know the Pacifica are always impressed with the versatility of the cargo space. It is the best.
Til it breaks down....which it will. I hope you leased it and swap em out every three years, if you make it that far without a major malfunction but going they route at least it'll be under warranty.
@@JollyGreen79 You are absolutely brainwashed into thinking that Toyota and Honda are better. I have a 2017 pacifica with 136,000 miles and its still going.
@@liveforhealth2861 no you just have a unicorn 😂🤣🤦. Anybody who says Chrysler is better than Honda and Toyota is just flat out ignorant. Have a nice day. Lemme know if you make it to 150k without any problems.
@@liveforhealth2861 i have a dodge grand caravan that is technically a Chrysler toyota and honda are known for reliability they do last longer than Chrysler:)
Pacifica is a minivan trying to also be a cargo van. Unless you are in the trades and trying to get 1 vehicle to double for work/family, spare your kids from the compact unsupportive seats and rent a truck/van for about $26 in 7 years or remove the middle row. Anyways, when you fold the 3rd row down, most things will fit. Anyways, most furniture stores offer delivery when you get a huge couch.
Toyota Sienna is extremely reliable and has the best resale value. Love my Sienna 2021 Hybrid.
Yes but the older V-6's are much more reliable than that hybrid.
@AlenkolenovicThe Toyota gas engines will smash the hybrid in reliability and longevity. Now vs other hybrids yes its the best.
What a waist of time! Any normal person can immediately tell the Pacifica drives like a luxury car, super smooth suspension, rattle/squreak free Interior. I am a Sienna owner and I just rented a Pacifica for a week to test it out...this is how a car should ride! I smile everytime I drive the Pacific! Sienna’s ride is a POS compare with Pacifica and the Sienna is full of squeak and rattles from the 1st week I own it.
Rattle started from model year 2011, still happening on 2021, what a joke: ua-cam.com/users/shortskIjeqjGh4Pk?feature=share
Any normal person that isn’t a soccer mom knows that the Toyota will easily make it to 200,000 miles when the Chrysler is in the salvage yard. All you idiots look at is features, comfort, and bling. While it’s important, none of that matters if it breaks down constantly. You complain about a rattle, that has been fixed for 2021, when the Chrysler has far worse problems. Maybe you’d like your Sienna better if you started approving some of the reccomendations that the mechanics keep writing up instead of letting your van go to crap.
@@andybub45 you’re a fool. Hybrid systems are notoriously expensive to repair when they go out, and they do all the time.
Hybrid systems are top notch on Toyotas , owned 6 hybrids to date and not one ever had a problem most them hit the 200k mark without any issues
@@andybub45 You are brainwashed and besides who keep their car for 200k miles these days. Pacifica is a much better option.
Owned a 2011 toyota sienna and loved every second of owning it.
One of the best vehicles i have ever owned. Traded it in for Toyota highlander AWD
Do you prefer highlander or sienna?
Sienna is the only choice for my family..We currently have a 2017 XLE and cannot wait to trade up.
Mine only has 6k miles on it, then I got the “service battery at dealer” message and it won’t start. I had it towed to the dealer, and they’ve had it for a week and can’t fix it - they said they don’t know what’s wrong? What are my options? I’m shocked - this is a 2021 50k+ vehicle with just 6k miles!! Even more frustrating - they don’t have a rental car available which is part of the warranty agreement! Someone please help!
Which brand/model did you buy?
@@saylorgirl799 Pinnacle
I was surprised to see you rank the Pacifica at number one....or even the top three. Chrysler's reliability, especially long term, is absolutely, without a doubt the worst of the minivans tested and really over all, some of the worst in the automotive industry. They sure are good looking vehicles packed with options but good luck getting 100k miles out of one without major problems, if that. I guess reliability isn't too important when you're not the one buying the thing. If I'm gonna drop $40k on a vehicle I intend on keeping it for quite some time. I don't know one person who has been happy with any Chrysler product for any sort of long term. We're beginning to look at minivans as I'm likely going to end up in a power chair if out and about for more than an hour or so. As I get older that is becoming more and more of a likelihood. I won't even go look at a Chrysler. We'll probably end up with the Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna. We'll definitely give the Kia a look. Their quality over the past decade has really taken off and that warranty is unbeatable. We've owned a few Toyotas over the years, currently have a 2017 Toyota Tacoma and they've all been wonderful, problem free vehicles. Our friend who travels for work A LOT has a 2013 Toyota Sienna with almost 250k miles. He drives his vehicles til their wheels practically fall off. His previous minivan was a 2001 Toyota Sienna that had almost 300k miles on it. Other than regular, routine maintenance, both his 03 and his 13 were and still are absolutely trouble free. The only real reason he got the 13 was because it's so much bigger than his 03. Kinda funny story to prove my point. He was in a minor accident which did some cosmetic damage to his Sienna. While it was being repaired he was given, guess what, a Chrysler Pacifica as a rental. He had to take it about 550 miles away for a business trip he had to attend to and wouldn't be back for a week. The Pacifica was only a year old with under 10k miles. He made it to his destination but had the check engine light come on about half way to his destination. It seemed to be running fine and the rental agency said to just go ahead, continue on and they'd address it when he returned it. About half way home, all of the dash lights came on and it died before he could pull over on the interstate, at about 11pm. He got towed to the nearest town with a service center and spent the night at a motel. The next morning he tried to start it and it was dead in the water. He got towed to the service center where he learned the ECM (the brain of the vehicle) was shot. Being there wasn't a location for the rental agency where he was, he agreed to stay while they replaced the ECM. It was repaired that day and he continued on his way home. About 50 miles from home the tranny started shifting erratically at times red lining the engine for no reason. Keep in mind this is basically a brand new minivan. He didn't feel safe driving it anymore. He pulled off the interstate at the next exit and called the rental agency who came and got him, towed the minivan back and got him back to his almost ten year old Sienna with a quarter of a million miles on it. He said he had never been so happy to see it. He's still driving it all over the country without a worry in the world. It's never let him down. I also know people who have had Honda Odysseys that just go forever with very few of any major problems outside of routine maintenance. I can't think of any vehicle that I've ever heard of needing major maintenance or repairs in their first year with less than 10k miles except that Pacifica as well as other Chrysler products. If VW still made a minivan I'd take it over a Chrysler and VW's are also known for garbage reliability. Maybe next time you review and rate a vehicle, keep reliability in mind. This is the last review I'll watch of yours as I don't trust your judgment.
2016 Toyota Sienna was the best mini van ever made !
You are absolutely right, this video can only tell you about the drive feel of power and fuel efficiency that goes with the looks and packages but nothing of its durability and all the avoidances of paying for major repairs down the road. If you want to go out of town use good JApanese made vehicles that are known for quality vs. the looks and features.
Agree! We have a Chrysler Town & Country (2008) and it would take me too long to list all the problems we had with it. Right now the check engine light is on all the time (except for 1 day every two years to have it smog checked) and no one seems to be able to find the problem. The transmission is rough as guts and keeps going into limp mode at which time I have to park it, turn off the engine and restart. Wipers come on automatically and that would be OK if we had rain censing wipers, but we don't.
One thing is for sure, if we buy another minivan, it won't be a Chrysler!
@@philby61seems like you haven’t been doing maintenance
I always get it serviced on time and the check engine light issue has been investigated by a professional mechanic who told me that the problem was a leaky fuel cap after reading the code. I put a new fuel cap on it but the light came back on after couple of days.
The check engine light doesn't bother me too much because the car runs ok with it constantly on. The things that bother me most is when it goes into limp mode and when the electrics play up.
But I assure you I do make sure the services are done on time.
@@Natethegreat200c
I don't know where you come off calling the Sienna "ultra slow". Did you do any instrumented tests? Every comparo test I've seen where they actually test the vehicles' dynamics, it's right in mid pack. I think you owe it to your readers to be a little more objective where possible. Opinion is fine but certain things can be measured. This way you won't get it wrong and look silly.
100% agree, it is sub 8 second vehicle 0-60, which is by no means slow
I rank the Kia carnival and the Chrysler Pacific are my top two.
You are clueless.
Outside from gas mileage, I own a 15 odyssey, best in class space and it does drive Luke a car. Sits lower to the ground. Drove a 2019 caravan and it os noticeably different in terms of space, ride height, and power don't forget the gas. With conservative driving the most I got out of my odyssey 810 km with 20km left according to my km reading.
Average km per tank 650 to 750.
260,000 km + and going strong.
The 2016 Sienna bar none is the best mini van ever made !
My 010 Odyssey can remove the middle seats and the 3rd row goes into the floor. This is what I want as I can put in a twin mattress and sleep in my vehicle on trips.
A new Sienna now costs anywhere from 40 to 50K depending on the trim due to markups. Even base model has 5K markup. It’s absolutely insane market in California. Toyota should clamp down on price gouging by dealers which is hurting the brand.
The dealership I work at doesn’t charge markups unless you get a platinum
The issue is that unless a Toyota dealer has a "hook" to get product, they must put a markup just to keep the doors open. I mean, unless you have a way to keep the doors open on a dealership without selling vehicles.
Your off by about 10K ! Try from 50K to 60K. BE much better off to buy and older more reliable Sienna for much less !
I hope that unlike in the Sienna, I'd be able to remove the 2nd row out if the Pacifica Hybrid
The 2021 Sienna actually does have a way to remove the 2nd row seats
@@sagebowyer5400 Not every Sienna buyers have the tools to be able to do that. Even if they did, removing the 2nd row could mess up an electronic component like how an improper jump start could mess up an electronic component.
I’m not sure why everyone likes the Pacifica so much. We had a 21 Pacifica rental and I hated it. The automatic dimming lights and heated steering wheel were cool but couldn’t wait to get my 15 sienna back. We had our first “break down” at 165,000 miles and it was the sliding door. Took several days to replace because the first replacement cable they got was damaged during shipping. Pacifica’s seats just felt and looked cheap(maybe just use to siennas captain seats but reminded me a lot of the 8th seat design).Latch was horrible at least in 2nd row, The rugs and the stow n go doesn’t work very well together. Engine sounded a little funny and barely had 30,000 miles on it.
I agree! Rented a Pacifica a few years ago for a family trip with my wife’s parents and I just hated how it drove with that 8 speed transmission. There’s no good midrange punch…it’s either: no power at all and have to keep mashing the peddle down further and then BOOM wide open throttle and everyone’s heads snap back and loose items go flying. Now her parents own a ‘15 T&C and it’s not as bad with the 6-speed but it has the same gutless engine. My company has a ‘19 Odyssey and it drives much better! I just wish Ford offered a full size minivan with a potent Ecoboost engine and plenty of passenger comfort and cargo space!
Honda is the clear winner here. The Honda has a bit of everything. If you are going for look then the Kia and Pacifica. Sienna has the AWD and good MPG but just not sparking like the others with style etc.
The Honda is not the winner. It has a very dated interior, and the engine still uses a timing belt which drives maintenance costs up.
@Andrew M so? It beats the others in other categories.
It looks like a underetaker van going to the grave yard.
@paul bramwell with you in the back of going to get buried
Pacifica will be lucky to make it to 60,000 miles without major repair. I moved from the Chrysler to the Toyota. I don’t like how much the Chrysler was breaking down on my family.
You got brainwashed by CR 1😃😃😃
@@HEMI345S Na, my T&C fell apart before 65k miles.
35k oil cooler filter leaked
42k transmission leak between engine & trans
45k oil cooler filter failed
62k lost 3rd gear & new transmission
I’m so glad I got rid of it before rocker arm failure which is common on 3.6.
Maybe that was the case in 2005 but not anymore
@@bigpun4780 Mine (2014) didn’t make it to 65,000 before the transmission needed to be replaced. And that was with fluid and filter changes.
@@Sea2SeaAdventures I hear you on the older Chryslers but these pacificas didn't even exist in 2014 - different engine, different transmission different company, different car. Since 2017 these pacificas have been solid - I had a old grand voyager that crapped out on me and don't get me started on my Intrepid......however, I gave these pacificas another chance and have not regretted one day :-)
I have a 2017 pacifica hybrid. Love it
How do you favour reliable?
Have you been into any issues? I see so many issues reported on Chry Pac Hybrid.
bruh my 2009 sienna gets more mpg than the 2023 kia carnival, how tf does a 14 year old van still get more than a new kia van
It’s bigger
@@rideordie1583
I just did the math they are roughly the same
Like maybe 10-20 cubic inches of difference
It would be interesting to see a comparison at the 5 year and 10 year marks.
Why even compare. Sienna will be worth 10k more than all of the comparisons
For previous KIAs, sure. For these latest generation of KIAs, I’d take a gamble that the gap in depression will be a lot closer if KIAs continue their rise/evolution.
@@mikobel7131 I wouldn't gamble on that at all. Kia's reputation is still terrible.
@@afzalshaikh2128 a 10-year old Sienna is only worth $6,000 on autotrader. The POS Toyota depreciates like a rock!
The resale value on my 2017 Pacifica Limited which cost $51K brand new, is less than my prior 2012 Odyssey that cost $38K brand new at the same time/mileage mark, even in this record high used car price market. Norm, you are talking out your ass, as usual, and spewing straight-up lies all over these comments. Chryslers have some of the highest depreciation of any brand, along with the worst reliability.
Odyssey for features + performance.
What about reliability?
Toyota or honda, though honda has had some issues with 2022 transmissions
@@CRAPO2011 It's mostly the 9 speeds from 2018-2019 that had issues. The issues affecting the new 10 speeds seem to be caused by electronic modules, which should be an easy fix. Honda also acquired Hitachi Automotive, which specializes in auromotive electronics, so I'm sure that the transmission issues with the 10 speed should be rectified by now.
@@Blank00 With the chip shortage this could mean months being out of service.
@@CRAPO2011 so far my 2019 rav4 hybrid has had fuel tank, front camera system, fuel pump replaced , side view mirrors redone but at least I don't have engine dilution issues
Always Toyota.
I still got a new Honda Odyssey it 2014 and it go 140 miles
Reminds me of Bluey. I remember when Lee calls the now van Bluey when Leland bought a van that’s too expensive.
Ford has the transit connect. Third row seat definitely looks different than any of these
That toyota is about to eat the competition with that gaping jaw
Pacifica anytime!!
Carnival>Odyssey>Pacifica>Sienna>Pacifica Hybrid
Toyota Innova > all of the minivan that ever existed. over here in east asia they last over 900000 with original engine 2.7 petrol made in Indonesia
U guys are missing out the toyota alphard and vellfire
Its not coming in the US.
When a Chrysler makes top of the list, all credibility is lost...
Kia is killing it
you forgot to include dodge grand caravan
I disagree with basing so much of where a vehicle is placed on your list based on the vehicles technology. The non hybrid Pacifica comes in all-wheel drive which makes it far more competitive in this segment for those of us that live in the northern states. I would go as far as to say that it's a plus over the technology packages. When you have snow on top of ice, I think it's a bit more important being able to get to your designation safely than being able to "FAM" view your kids while they stream bluey in hi definition.....just saying.
Four of them looks handsome.
I have excepted more in this review.
Pricing comments should be as tested... your kia carnival is a 46k model... not the 40k you reference seconds earlier
As the owner of a 2017 Pacifica Limited, I will say without hesitation: stay the hell away from FCA products unless you want something that is going to be a reliability nightmare. I don't even have the hybrid and have had non-stop issues with the Pacifica for nearly 5 years of ownership. The hybrid model is even more problematic. Most of the major publications that have had long-term review Pacificas have also had endless issues, especially with the hybrid version. FCA is junk, regardless of how nice it looks when brand new on a dealer lot. Plus, FCA dealership service sucks when things do go wrong. We have been to at least 5 different dealers trying to get things fixed and they have all been awful.
The new Pacifica is the best deal going and ranked high in Consumer Reports rankings. PacHy is a bargain and most efficient in the segment.
@@normt430 not surprised you would praise the Pacifica, Norm, since you sing the praises of every FCA and GM product. I actually own one, unlike you, so I have a little more firsthand experience with what a pile of garbage it is.
As a person that has driven 50-60 new FCA minivans as rentals for work I agree. I know they’re rentals but a minivan shouldn’t have transmission shifting issues at 3k miles
@@TobyCostaRica the newer electronic controlled transmission are designed to break-in the band and clutches packs on acceleration and deceleration. This is only for the first thousand of miles and to improve fuel economy.
@@mattspeer01 PacHy owners love them on the Facebook group. They were trading in their couple of years old PacHy for a new one and making money after $7,500 fed tax credit and discounts. Make mine a PacHy Pinnacle!
The Sienna has similar reliability by Consumer Reports and Toyota Honda never makes the Top 10 in Initial Quality as they always have to get something fixed when new.
Since what time sub 8 seconds 0-60 is ultra-slow??? Pure nonsense. I mean all the big v8s and v10s SUVs were above 10s not that long ago. I'm for Europe and I've got a diesel VW Multivan which does 0-60 in about 10s and it feels completely fine after my sub 5 seconds Audi S6.
Chrysler always
Are any of these minivans eligible for government rebate?
My friend is a top sale man in FCA dealer and he is driving a honda Odyssey, I think that tell all the story
Sorry, the Odyssey is not recommended by Consumer Reports today.
What does that say? Nothing. He got it for cheap or for free. Now if he spent his hard earned money and picked the Odyssey that would be something else....
well, I’d take the Pacifica over the Odyssey any day
Here this, Sienna Hybrid been on other Models prior, so that says alot about their Hybrid(I agree).
Odyssey has never caught my eye when comparing reliability to Toyota.
I definitely will choose Pacifica as my 2nd choice because of the Hybrid. However not knowing too much about their Hybrid and I still place them 2nd. Odyssey for 3rd.
Carnival, hahaha, expect your van to be at the service department for sometime due to electrical issue and engine issue. Used to work for both and to get a radio to work well, well expect months to have it fixed. Probably in line due to other Carnival having the same issues.
For engine, well, expect 3-4 months on the engine, by then expect another 2-3 weeks for it to go in and work on. I seen and heard from customers that brought theirs Hyundai and Kia in or towed in.
If you want reliability without sacrificing much quality or feature, best bet is the Sienna. Sure, things I can live without but you want less trip into the dealership for some stupid small stuff and of course big one where you have to continue to make payments while your Kia at the shop still. Smh.
People get real and be real, your hard earn money into someone else pocket isn't it for me.
@@normt430 except Honda took out the cieling air vents for the new Odyssey. Deal breaker here in AZ
Big problem though, Pacifica would have lots of issues very soon, and their resale value drops drastically. Unlike Toyota that could sell for a high price still. Parts of Toyota sienna is way cheaper to replace compared to Honda, and durability wise, topnotch (even when compared to Kia and Chrysler, and other brands you could think of).
How is the Reliability of Pacifica? If it follows the town and country, it really sucks. You should avoid. I’ve had 2005 t&c, 2016 odyssey, 2017 sienna. My ranking: odyssey > sienna >>> Pacifica
The Pacifica engine is rock solid. It’s the electronics that can be glitchy. Specifically the Uconnext 5 system but it’s improved
I don't trust those Pacificas. A 2002 2nd gen Odyssey wouldn't open the power doors if the fuel cap was open to not snap it, but the Pacifica's questionable wiring will if it's just popped open. Also, the door's resistance sensor that tells if something is getting pinched in the door is also questionable as when it starts to go in at the end it will fight to overpower the obstacle with some force. Also, Chrysler is notorious for poor quality. I don't know about you, but I still see tons of 20-year-old 2nd-gen Odysseys on the road today and not as much of any other brand.
Chrysler is inferior in every way…except the stow and go seats, which may be enough to put it at the top of any list. The fact that the hybrid doesn’t have it is a huge minus
Was that a fanny pack you were wearing with that pink shirt or is it my eyes are deceiving me?
what's mini about them?
@ibrplayz892 still not mini
We love our Honda Odyssey, of the top 3, the Odyssey just kills it. Only thing I wish it had awd. Funny this video was made in what California? Why tf would you need awd lol.
AWD for ski trips to Tahoe or Big Bear
The sales figures won't lie to you. Check it out which van is the best selling.
IMO, Lease the Chrysler. With advancement in batteries, etc… that Pacifica plugin is going to take a HUGE hit on resale…leasing is mandatory!
Pacifica has the best technology with no lane keep assist or adaptive cruise control. Yep, it should definitely be number 1.
Pacifica does have ACC and lane keep assist. The latter is far weaker than others, but it does have it.
@@jmarston4 I checked there site several times and I didn't see it. I'll check again because I'm interested in buying minivan and that was one the main reasons I was not interested in the pacifica. Actually the canadian site doesn't seem to mention it. But its there on the US site
@@timelineg1 not sure why UA-cam deleted my last reply, but the features are listed on the Pacifica safety page. I also own the vehicle. I assure you, it has both.
The Pacifica is a POS !
The Carnival offers things not available on all the others. Creature comfort for the passengers and tech for the driver. Nobody can offer the comfort of the lounge chairs. Nobody has two 12.3 inch screens for the driver. Carnival hands down. Being that gas is still $3 where I live, I don't care much about the mileage.
You what they offer that others don't offer, being at the dealership more often. There new Ion, Santa Fe, (same Company as Kia) and the lists go about their reliability.
Anyway goodluck with buying Kia. They used the same engine and electrical parts from Hyundai. Seen and heard engine and electrical parts needing to be imported from Korea. Customers left their vehicle at the service department for 4 months and still have to make monthly payments. Kia and Hyundai have this ongoing since I been there, and last I left, from my coworker, same shit. Nothing changes in reliability. Goodluck.
@@DSPNWtoCali Bought this thing July 2021. So far. Zero problems. Been to the dealership only for the oil changes. Car didn't start after leaving it outside in subzero temp. But that's not fault of the car. So.........as far as I'm concerned.....I've not experience the stuff that you've mentioned. I'll say it again, this car kicks ass over the Odyssey and Sienna. Those cars and their infotainment center are a joke. It's like looking at something built 2015. Dated and ugly. No thanks.
I would rate it the other way around
Pacifica Hybrid so good! Should be the powertrain in every Stellantis product.
HOW DOES THE CHRYSLER HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK?
I’ll still take the odyssey.
The best mini van ever bar none is the 2016 Toyota Sienna !
I love the pacifica
Pacifica hybrid is the best choice hands down. If you ignore the dangerous safely issue where this hybrid engine turns off all of a sudden smack in the middle of the highway. But if you just ignore this life threatening issue, this vehicle is just fantastic.
Or the fact that it's an FCA product.
Sorry, I rank the Chrysler dead last. Reliability is more important to me than anything else.
The Pacifica wins with the hideaway seats.
It's a POS !
@@muddyriverdogz That really depends on the owner.
@@1MarkKeller It's a POS no matter who owns it.
Wonder when ev minivans will be a thing
Pink?!?
Sienna's "all-wheel drive" comes with a lot of limitations. It is nowhere near true AWD like in Subarus.
Yeah, but I know the transmission will work longer than 50k miles. - Ex Subaru owner, current Sienna owner. There is a reason Subaru has class action lawsuits for warranty extensions. For where a minivan needs to go, it's more than enough. Driving Sports TV did a off road review on it and it did well. I wouldn't take a Subaru or Minivan on anything more than that.
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@TobyCosta😅Rica
I drove a pacifica for over a week on a long family trip. Boy! It has got some bugs in its software. Its interior feels cheap, outside sound proofing is so poor, i had to drive far below speed limit on some empty roads. No sir! Never buying it despite rank #1
Carnival wins this one by the look alone.
Truly fantastic looks, but no sunroof on SX and below, poor interior storage, worse fuel economy, no usb-c and faux leather on a $40k+ van aren’t great. The 2023 corrections will push it to the top.
@@jmarston4 but it wins by the look alone. hate to be caught dead in minivan and this is the least van looking van.
@@joec.5009 rating any vehicle by exterior look alone would be the worst car review process ever. Go drive one and tell us how you feel after. If you hate the look of Vans so much, go buy the Telluride
I thought so in pics, but it's ugly in person. Looks like an SUV gone wrong instead of a minivan done right.
Shame on Siena, my sister is about switch to like mine is Odyssey 2022 sport just because every time our travel she would be scare about going up mountain like attitude 6 to 8000 ft high Toyota siena at this time would turn out like older human crawling up hill and engine shouting like " stop stop I am tired 😮" honda Odyssey!!! Working well