I've owned three minivans, one before marriage and kids and two after having kids with my wife. In all honesty, they are amazing and after selling our last one two years ago my wife said we would never get one again. Well, after our two week road trip and 3200 miles with kids in a new rental CRV, we've decided we want a minivan again. Currently looking at the Toyota for the fuel economy as we have some big trips planned over the next 5-7 years as our kids are nearly grown and we want to fit in much as possible. However, we might go used to save some money and kids are still hard on things so it is hard to justify anything new. Edit: Meant to add that we have owned multiple SUV / CUV in betweem the minivans and somehow always found out way back to a minivan because of how amazing they are.
@@27Zangle minivans are the best, i hate the new suv trends, they are smaller in room and size. in europe they literally stopped producing the VW Sharan and Seat Alahambra. you can still buy old stocks Other manufacturer dont have any good minivans either because they are all jumping on to the SUV trend. What do i do with a 7 seater SUV?
@@Vanguard.I I owned two Caravans. A 1994 way back, it was about 8 years old when I got it. The other was a 2006 Caravan. Both great vehicles and little problems. Neither never left me stranded. The third was a 2007 Kia Sedona. It did leave us stranded in town with a bad started at 128k miles, but that was an easy fix and expected with that many miles.
Since 2002 we have owned 2 Toyotas. 380k kms of driving. Replaced 4 parts. Starter, muffler, relay for ac, and struts for the rear hatch. Other than that it’s just oil brakes and tires. Hard to beat that.
One little thing to consider when buying a minivan: My 2005 Sienna will turn 19 years old on January 7th 2024 (built date). 300k, and zero issues. Wonder how that Kia will stand in 19 years. Great video!
I don’t think the new siennas have the same quality. Test drove a 70k mile 21 XSE and the shocks were already bad, powertrain gutless, interior falling apart etc. it might run forever but everything else about it falls apart. Toyota is relying on its branding to earn some cheap cash.
Everyone likes to dog kia and Hyundai which I understand. We had a odyssey for 12 years and it was great. We bought a new 2023 odyssey model 6 months ago and have nothing but issues. Trunk leaks, infotainment not responsive to touch, sun roof not opening. Honda has tried to fix the issues 4 times now. We are considering a buyback. I think Honda and Toyota are not the same anymore.
@@grizzly2880 for Odyssey you really want a touring or an elite. Transmission is bad on the other trims and they are better built. Have an 18 and everything is great on it.
Smartstream means it is both port and direct injection. When you run the engine normally it does port injection, when you put the gas on hard, it does direct injection. It's the best of both worlds and one of Hyundai's newer and more reliable engines. No carbon build up.
AWD with better mpg is just an impossible match up, that's why Toyota gets away with it; but honestly they need to significantly improve the quality of the interior.
MSRP means nothing at this point. The Kia Carnival you can find everywhere for $33k base new, the Toyota Sienna you won’t find for less than $50k (I’ve seen higher than $80k in Seattle) for a new base model. Comparing apples and oranges at this point with pricing.
Yeah a year ago Toyota dealers near me wanted $3-5K on top of MSRP, it was a 12+ month wait, and you couldn't submit an order, you had to choose from whatever they were allocated. I have never walked out of a dealership so fast. They also don't mention how much that battery will cost to replace. Between that and the markups it's unlikely you'll see any savings with it. Kia does need to offer AWD though. That is a luxury I never want to be without again.
We need the 4 Van Showdown: Pacifica PHEV, Sienna, Carnival, & Odyssey just to see the four varieties of options available bc they are definitely not all on the same level. It would be fun to see all 4 vans with the same cost (at least within $1k window or so).
Sienna all day..AWD, HYBRID. PERFECT COMBO. The only problem is they crazy increased the price+ mark ups.... Used to be a 35k car(base model), nowadays good luck getting one at a reasonable price.
I bought the Carnival EX+, which comes with a really good center console, 360 camera and buffed-up cruising. The same features on the Sienna would only be availabe at the Limited trim, which is 16-17k CAD more before taxes. The additional gas milage on the Sienna will never make up for that price gap. Oh, and the XSE trim with the lowered suspension is horrible. The sales person kept pitching it as a "sporty" minivan that's "fun" to drive. Who buys a minivan for sportiness? The woodland edition is better, but it still loses out on cost effectiveness vs the Carnival.
@@afzalshaikh2128 Nope, but I had to wait about 7 months. Things should be better now. I saw new Carnivals sitting on the dealer's lot on my first service visit.
I want to know does the Kia have a turn radius like the sienna? The dealer told me it does( I haven’t test driven yet). But the sienna does have a tight uturn radius much like a car.
@@sirena9167 I don't have exact figures, but it turns tighter than the 2 full size SUV's that we have. It hasn't felt cluncky or unwieldy for me in 4 months of daily driving, and it's been great over the short trip we took from Vancouver BC to Seattle WA. Think of it like a sedan with a huge cabin and a longer wheel base. The suspension is also pretty nice, almost feels German.
Carnival SX prestige with the 8 seat package. Now you have luxury and utility with the ability to remove the seats. Also the middle seat can be slide all the way up to the center console so you can have easier access to the rear facing car seat
it is insane to me. friends, intelligent people, really smart people. when you say minivan, they scoff and are willing to throw double the price at a full size SUV for similar capabilities as a minivan. just insane how people can get so illogical as soon as you start suggesting a minivan. even if it were the same price as the full size SUV, it's still not a fair fight because the minivan has automatic sliding rear doors and such a low floor height. simple insanity that such logical people go so illogical at the thought of a minivan adorning their driveway. everything a full size SUV can do, a minivan can do it better, and then at half the price.
The Carnival is much better looking than the Sienna. But for $3k more with Sienna, you're getting much better efficiency, likely better reliability, and better resale value. It's just unfortunate the interior environment is cheaper quality and it's ugly as sin on the outside.
My 2021 Toyota Sienna Hybrid still running flawlessly with zero issue at 90K miles just fill up with 9 gallons of regular gas after driving 360 miles still have 1/2 tank left. It works out 40 mpg or well I over 600 miles range. My last 2005 drove past 350 K miles with only minor repairs at trade in time. Quality and longevity, nothing can beat Toyota/Lexus.
We had this same choice a month ago and went with the KIA Carnival XSP 8Pass, for styling, drive quality and value. The reality is we got the Kia for $500 below msrp while the Sienna is hard to find in the model you want and the dealers are charging way, way over msrp. All thiings considered the only reason to go with the sienna is if you have to have AWD. We had 2006 Sienna FWD with snow tires and it did great in the mountains of Idaho. Schweitzer MT snowboarding. Dont see why the KIA wouldnt do as well with snow tires if that was needed. The new Sienna AWD would still do better in same conditions with snow tires but I would wager that the snow tires are what makes the most difference. We did a 2k mile road trip in the KIA for Christmas and it was very comfortable. MPG was 24.3 with a rooftop box and 8 people. At home we average 26mpg without the rooftop carrier box and the extra weight.
I have the same decision to make as well. Winter tires are the biggest difference than AWD except for inclines that are greater than 20 degrees. I would argue the main reason to get the Sienna is for the 36 mpg city/hwy. (Sienna forums have posted over 40 mpg on highway Eco mode). If an owner keeps it long term, the hybrid technology will pay for the itself in 5 years.
i agree..... we had a fwd kia sedona and put snows on all 4 wheels.... and never got stuck. just something to consider (and I live up in alberta where we generally have snow from november to april).
2016 Sedona engine and transmission failure at 91,000. Kia warranty paid $12,000 for replacement. It only took three months and I had a loaner vehicle. 😂
Their 3.5 smart stream V6 is one of their most reliable engines, not part of the Theta engines co-designed with Mitsubishi and Chrysler. We've only had them here in the US for about 4 years in mostly their large vehicles (Telluride), the Stinger, and Genesis models, but reliability is far improved on those models.
I would be a lot more interested in the Sienna if they offered the I-force max V6 and a regular tranny. Anyone who says a minivan doesn’t need power probably doesn’t have a large family. Try maxing out your van with 6-7 people, full cargo, and driving at elevation. I currently do that with my Sedona in Montana.
Kia touts that is has the most power but who cares about power in a minivan? Overall I prefer the Carnival, but you can't beat the hybrid powertrain and AWD in the Toyota. if Kia made the carnival in a hybrid with comparable MPGs and AWD we would get it in a heart beat (currently have a 2018 Sedona). Kind of pathetic that Kia refuses to call it a minivan (calls it am MPV instead) and can't get it with AWD. biggest problem with the toyota minivan is they are hard to come by and hard to find in a particular configuration as you can't order one. we went to look at the sienna at a local dealership and the salesman asked us if we were local or out of town and when we said local he said great the markup is only 7k and not 10k for you. Toyota makes a great quality vehicle, but not higher msrp (6-7k for top of the line) plus 7k markup good.
I drove a Caravan for a few years. It gave me my first trust issues with FCA/Stellantis products, but damn was that thing practical! Even for a college kid with no kids. Deep snow? Front wheel drive and heavy. Tight parking spaces on campus? That's ok I have rear sliders and a hatch if needed. 200k miles? At least! All the interior storage/hauling space you can ask for. It made hauling lumber a breeze. Rear vent windows for ALL the airflow! It was an ugly family vehicle so you didn't care where you took it or what you put it through. In some ways I still miss it! Minivans are underrated!
My family went through 2 Caravans: a '95 and a '06. The '95 survived numerous family riad trips and even an overseas deployment. The '06 wasn't as rugged but was luxury in my eyes with the DVD player, passenger wireless headphones, 2nd row captain chairs, and rear climate controls. I drove that bad boy to community college unashamed. If my folks had gifted me that as my first car instead of the Focus, I wouldn't have been mad at all (though it might not have lasted as long, and that says a lot comparing it to a 2014 Ford Focus... IYKYK).
@@ElijahRock92 we also had a 95 and my dad still misses that if for no other reason than the sheer visibility around you. We had a 96, 02, and 11. Each one was extremely practical!
Great review guys! My only problem with these mini-vans (really any on market) is they can't really haul 4x8 material or anything overly large. I will keep my old Grand Caravan going until the wheels fall off. So much utility - stow'n'go all the seats, load it up, drive to destination, unload, pop up the seats and load it with people and go off somewhere else or back to your starting point.
I have a 2022 Carnival SX with almost 52000 miles on it. It has been a fantastic vehicle with the exception of the spindle that raises and lowers the automatic opening and closing of the tailgate. It has failed twice. Other than that, no other problems. I got this one when they first came out (literally first one at the dealer) and two weeks before they started adding dealer markup to the price. Personally, I think AWD is mostly hype. I am old enough to remember when FWD came out in the early 80s. I grew up in WV with lots of snow and hills and mountains and we found that as long as you have good tires, FWD will usually take you where need to go. You guys are looking at these from the eyes of offroaders. These aren't designed for that. And truth be said, when it snows, neither of these vehicles will probably leave their driveway. Finally, the KIA is much more premium inside. Save your money and get the KIA.
@@MarkM58and this is why most people are broke. Buying new cars all the time while selling their old one for 20 cents on the dollar when it still runs fine and has years left and depreciation is close to 0.
AWD is not hype. I’m probably as old or older than you. I drive on the snowy roads of Northern California. It’s the guys in big 4WD trucks that I see spun out in a snow bank on the side of I-80. Subaru guy.
They need to stop comparing base price. Kia can be had for a discount. Sienna, you get robbed with markups from the dealer. As someone who loves toyota- the Kia is simply a better value.
Of course SUV's are just a jacked up ugly station wagons, which use more fuel and costly for tyre replacement, and mini vans are great for families if they seat up to 7, I used to own one a Toyota Tarago.
I had a chance to rent a toyota sienna twice to go from Arkansas back to my home state of Colorado and back to Arkansas. I stuck to back roads and averaged around 68 mph unless going thrrough a small town and my best tank was 43mpg and that was calculated by hand.
Fuel mileage makes a big difference in cost consideration. A "soccer mom" driving around town may frown at the higher price tag of the Sienna, but an extra 10+ mpg over the Kia can equate to real cost savings in your budget as well.
Of course the Sienna is a few thousand more for a comparable package, it's a hybrid. 36mpg vs 22mpg. In addition to the extra 14mpg you can add a 1500 watt/110 volt house-type electrical receptacle. If you want to camp in your van, the Sienna can be left in READY MODE overnight so that you can run the (all electric) air conditioner all night for less than one gallon of gas. The A/C runs off of the hybrid battery, and when that runs low the gas engine automatically turns on for a minute or two so that it can recharge the battery.
I like the Kia carnival looks better than Toyota Sienna imo. However toyota wins due to reliability and gas efficiency. If kia carnival becomes hybrid I might chose it because crummy dealership price gouge Toyota siennas. But at the end of the day. Whichever one can be PHEV first has my wallet. I WOULD NOT buy the Chrysler Pacifica phev cuz it’s stellantis and u reliable.
In the past 25+ years I have owned 4 Kia/Hyundai products, and all have been great cars and very reliable. Aside from regular maintenance, the only thing that failed was a heater motor, and that was replaced under warranty. Otherwise no issues at all. Historically they only have one engine series that had issues, and that's the Theta2 series, which they gave a lifetime warranty.
Try buying either one, it’s impossible. If you’re able to find one, get ready for a minimum $5k mark up. Want a used one? It costs more than a new one. 😔
The Carnival has been the international market name for years. The Sedona name was just for the North American market. Just like how the Optima was renamed K5.
Don't forget, the middle row in the Kia can be removed or fold the middle seat to be a table, removed to make captain chairs and turned around to face the third row. Versatility for the W.
I was in the market for a minivan last year and test drove Honda, Toyota, and Kia. We ended up going with the Honda odyssey bc it was more comfy and cheaper than the other two. However, I do regret not going with the Sienna. The mpg is amazing and the Honda gets 19 mpg if that.
Cargo space is so much better in a minivan than the largest SUVs. I can get three adult bikes in the back of my Honda Odyssey with just the third row down (without removing the bike wheels). 2016 and 150,000 miles, great ride, no problems, auto doors, decent mileage.
I wonder why Kia makes three different V6 engines that make the same amount of power they have the 3.3 L V6 naturally aspirated that makes 290 hp and 252 pound feet of torque, the 3.5 L V6 that also makes 290 hp and 262 pound feet of torque and then the 3.8 L V6 that makes 291 hp and 262 pound feet of torque
Best thing about my Sienna XLE... Drove for 2 years... Sold for the same price I paid 😂 But won't buy a new one because the quality feel in Toyota is not good... Too much plastic
I would take the Kia over the Toyota in a heartbeat! I HATE CVT's and batteries wear out. I don't care about the gas mileage and the Kia is nicer! I also expect the reliability of the Kia to be higher. Toyota is WAY over rated and now that they are finally getting with the times and putting in new powertrains that they don't seem to test very well, there reliability is dropping. I would never buy a Pacifica, they are JUNK, but love the stow and go seats, especially since I would be using my as a cargo van most of the time, it is just me and my dog.
@@JoseIgnacioSerranoSuarez Not so sure what is funny about it, it is TRUE, and the more Honda and Toyota are trying to "get with the times" they are making mistakes, NOT testing things, and reliability is going down the crapper! Take the Tundra and Taco for instance, BOTH Ford wannabees!
@@JoseIgnacioSerranoSuarez ROTFLMFAO! Number ONE, have you priced most of the Kia and Hyundai's lately? SECIND, If I say "I can't "afford it", it would be for a GD Pickup Truck! Especially the Ford! lol Well what comes around goes around and WHATEVER I decide to buy but still KEEP my 2009 Hyundai Sonata I bought new June 1, 2009 NEVER repaired, I WILL be getting a DELICIOUS DEAL!
We feel like the Chrysler Pacifica should have been on the list due to Stow&go and AWD The hybrid Pacifica I will agree isn’t very reliable and doesn’t offer AWD or stow&go but the Traditional V6 and AWD is such a great combo
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 That's not true, Chrysler is part of a huge conglomerate that is financially sound. The reason there are so few Chrysler products is because FCA halted new vehicle development for several years while they were seeking a merger partner. Now there are new vehicles in development again, but they are years behind the competition.
@@Johnny_Socko thanks for the information. My comment was based solely on the recent news story of them pulling out of car shows due to financial concerns.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Oh, I see what you're saying. I think the financial concerns they were talking about were "Auto shows cost too damn much", lol. (Personally I think it's a mistake...auto shows are a good way for people to check out cars without going to a dealer.)
I had a Kia Soul for 10 years. The last two years it was using oil almost as fast as the gas. My wife likes the looks of the Carnival but with the mileage it gets and reliability Toyota is known for, the Sienna was an easy pick for us.
@@TheRealCatoffunny, I actually changed it more often then recommended. It’s just a poor design and that’s why they had a class action lawsuit about the oil consumption. They extended the drivetrain warranty to 150,000 miles but I had 160,000 so I was SOL.
@@TheRealCatof The GDI engine in the Soul builds up carbon (as all direct injection engines do). I dont think you can conclude the oil burning is as a result of the oil chance schedule. You're just assuming.
Cool example of the new smart glasses. A new tool that the TFL team will be fighting for their video reviews. Hands free performance for walk arounds and event coverage. Just walk and talk. Cool!
If safety is your priority, Kia Carnival should be avoided. It has ridiculous bumper mounted turn signals that are virtually invisible in traffic. In a world of suvs and crossovers, the turn signals are mounted too low to be visible. (stupid name, great vehicle) is slightly better in execution, function, fit and finish, but lacks the efficiency of the Sienna. However, Kia is losing sales on the lack of awd.
Yes. So I got woodland edition last month. But kia is coming out with hybrid 1.6 turbo but no AWD. So I will get toyota. Lol. Both are awesome minivan. I had all minivan. 2004 sienna. 2006 odyssey, 2007 quest, 2016 Sedona and now 2024 sienna AWD hybrid with 0.6 inch leveled. Lol.
If you use the criteria of reliabilty and longevity the Toyota wins easily. What are the odds the Kia will still be on the road fifteen years from now? Will the Kia still be on its original transmission at that point? And what about the Kia's engine fifteen years from now?
Check out the 2023 JD Power reliability scores. Lexus, Genesis, and KIA take the top 3 slots. Toyota is number 8!!!! Stop drinking the Toyota Kool-aid.
@@MarkM58 JDPower is a joke as any car expert will tell you . the amount of engine replacement in hyundia/kia last 5 years alone would make this reliability a joke as compared to toyota. plus they count useless and new features in their score.
Unless they’ve changed, Siennas are a bit aggressive with the power steering. We have an older SE trim and I hate driving it. There is almost no return-to-center feedback and it makes the vehicle feel numb to me. The drive by wire throttle response feels odd to me too. BUT, it is definitely a well built and reliable machine. You guys were supposed to check the sliding door safety mechanism. Somebody has to sacrifice an arm.
I was getting tired of waiting for my Sienna and was looking at the math of the odyssey and the gas savings would let me recoup the price difference after 4-5 years
Mini vans are so versatile. As a surfer I love the space and ability to sleep and change inside. But it is still the most emasculating vehicle out there. I’ll stick with the truck for now.
Love minivans! I need an Acura mini van with SHAWD and Turbo 6 cylinder from the MDX Type S, They can call it the ODX Type S! LOL! But seriously though, it would be cool if Honda just added the AWD from the Pilot to the Odyssey and a power front passenger seat the has the same number of adjustments as the driver seat.
give me the V6 any day for towing or i wish the Carnival turbo diesel came to North America.. power and engine braking is better with the V6 the hybrid regen brakes varies with state of charge and the smaller engine just doesn't give that hold back going down hills would get pushed around by a trailer or if just loaded
For the same reason why they think most minivans don't have AWD is a crossover competition and not a slave saving problem. Toyota has AWD due to an electric rear. KIA would have to somehow jam a drive shaft in the rear without taking away the deep trunk space with its power train.
@RDJ1SS Toyota had always offered AWD in the Sienna since 2004, and it didn't come with a hybrid powertrain. I know Kia can offer the Carnival with AWD, they just didn't want to.
I have 2 Hyundais and 1 Toyota. Both of them are 2020’s. My 2 Hyundais have had no problems at ALL on the other and my Toyota has blew up 3 times and had more maintenance than I can count. Transmission/ blew up, Engine exploded, then the Transmission blew up again under normal use. I don’t even go that far, they only have around 40k miles. I don’t abuse them or go over speed limits. Also my gas cap rusted off.. And I use it a lot it’s not like it’s in a barn sitting there. I know my friends and family had similar experiences with Toyota as I did. And turns out the problems I had are actually kind of common with Toyota vehicles, I think Toyotas days of “Best reliability” are well gone and they are using their past to advertise that they have the best cars. Have my 2 Hyundais work perfectly, a lot of my friends and family own Hyundais and never has big issues. Im picking Hyundai/Kia all day thank you
Too bad you couldn’t get a Honda Odyssey for this video to compare all three. The odyssey may not get the mpg that the sienna does but it’s a lot nicer to drive and will hold its value better than the carnival.
I bought a 2016 Honda Odyssey new and the engine blew up before 60k miles. That's when I came to discover that Honda reliability doesn't translate to their v6 engines /. heavier vehicles. They have a long history of bad products in this segment.
Where is the Odyssey, the standard of mini van. Others are judge by. Secondly you need the Pacifica since Plymouth/Chrysler founded this vehicle and voyagers were long the standard in mini van market. Now known as ugh Pacifica’s Sienna, odyssey, Pacifica Kia would be a nice test side by side. Moneys on the odyssey and it’s not close with sienna pacifica and Kia finishing in that order. Unsure of stellantis when it was cheaper was a leading product. In its market segmart but fell of with stellantis purchase. Kia quality after 109k miles never been what you call solid Honda and Toyota both known for reliability and quality for those of us who keep our vehicles and not trade them every third year.
I have a Carnival SX Prestige, it was 10K cheaper than the Toyota Sienna, Toyota repair guy said if you have to repair the Sienna, it's pretty pricey (i.e. CTIS wheel is $600 a piece). Kia is coming out with a hybrid for 2025, at probably a similar price point so either one should work (nice to have options), or you can save 30K and get a 2015 Honda Odyssey ;)
I worked for a company that ran a fleet of Caravans. They would run those vans hard putting over 300,000 miles. They would have transmission issues but the engines were solid.
I like Pacifica stow n go seats. I wish you can buy deleted third row. I don’t need it. I need CARGO room more than anything. Now they are getting rid of small cargo vans this year. My option would be a cheaper model of a minivan. Pacifica seems to be the leader on my list.
Hands down the Sienna is the one to get. An AWD system and a proven hybrid drivetrain that will save you thousands of dollars year after year compared to the competition is a no brainer. The Platinum grade is much quieter than the others if noise levels are a concern for you. Toyota quality, reliability, resale value, reputation go an awful long way.
Middle row seats can be removed in other Carnival trims. I've done it and placed several sheets of 4x8 plywood on the floor. Plus the difference is way more than 3k. You're comparing a mid trim Toyota with a tom trim Carnival and it's already a 3k difference. Compare prices between same trims. It takes many years before you make up the difference in gas price savings...
Minivans have always been more practical than SUVs. I think the updated styling on nearly all the newer models are what make them more appealing nowadays.
Probably should've included the Chrysler Pacifica. With stow n go you can fit plywood in it. We have a 2019 Dodge Grand Caravan GT and use it to haul bigger things than my truck.
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Most people never use a suv as it's intended for. Minivans offer more space and function than suv for majority of people
I've owned three minivans, one before marriage and kids and two after having kids with my wife. In all honesty, they are amazing and after selling our last one two years ago my wife said we would never get one again. Well, after our two week road trip and 3200 miles with kids in a new rental CRV, we've decided we want a minivan again. Currently looking at the Toyota for the fuel economy as we have some big trips planned over the next 5-7 years as our kids are nearly grown and we want to fit in much as possible. However, we might go used to save some money and kids are still hard on things so it is hard to justify anything new.
Edit: Meant to add that we have owned multiple SUV / CUV in betweem the minivans and somehow always found out way back to a minivan because of how amazing they are.
@@27Zangle minivans are the best, i hate the new suv trends, they are smaller in room and size.
in europe they literally stopped producing the VW Sharan and Seat Alahambra. you can still buy old stocks
Other manufacturer dont have any good minivans either
because they are all jumping on to the SUV trend. What do i do with a 7 seater SUV?
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@@27Zanglewhat minivans did you own?
@@Vanguard.I I owned two Caravans. A 1994 way back, it was about 8 years old when I got it. The other was a 2006 Caravan. Both great vehicles and little problems. Neither never left me stranded. The third was a 2007 Kia Sedona. It did leave us stranded in town with a bad started at 128k miles, but that was an easy fix and expected with that many miles.
Single male here, no kids, and dang I enjoy these minivan reviews!!
With you man 😂
As you should
Ironic as it would seem, women/mothers are the only ones that don’t like minivans
@@fallujah0351exactly
@@fallujah0351Not all ladies hate the minivan. I love mine and have my eye on a new Sienna when my current Sienna is stolen by my 16 yo son. 🥳
Since 2002 we have owned 2 Toyotas. 380k kms of driving. Replaced 4 parts. Starter, muffler, relay for ac, and struts for the rear hatch. Other than that it’s just oil brakes and tires. Hard to beat that.
One little thing to consider when buying a minivan: My 2005 Sienna will turn 19 years old on January 7th 2024 (built date). 300k, and zero issues. Wonder how that Kia will stand in 19 years. Great video!
I don’t think the new siennas have the same quality. Test drove a 70k mile 21 XSE and the shocks were already bad, powertrain gutless, interior falling apart etc. it might run forever but everything else about it falls apart. Toyota is relying on its branding to earn some cheap cash.
@@Noeaskr Always good to know! I hope that Toyota wont follow John Deere's path, converting a very good brand into a complete junk.
Can't compare a kia to Toyota or Honda lol
Gotta compare it to a grand caravan 😂
Everyone likes to dog kia and Hyundai which I understand. We had a odyssey for 12 years and it was great. We bought a new 2023 odyssey model 6 months ago and have nothing but issues. Trunk leaks, infotainment not responsive to touch, sun roof not opening. Honda has tried to fix the issues 4 times now. We are considering a buyback. I think Honda and Toyota are not the same anymore.
@@grizzly2880 for Odyssey you really want a touring or an elite. Transmission is bad on the other trims and they are better built. Have an 18 and everything is great on it.
You two razzing each other is very entertaining. Good chemistry makes good reviews.
Smartstream means it is both port and direct injection. When you run the engine normally it does port injection, when you put the gas on hard, it does direct injection. It's the best of both worlds and one of Hyundai's newer and more reliable engines. No carbon build up.
Toyota invented this dual injection system Hyundai and Kia are paying Toyota to use it!
AWD with better mpg is just an impossible match up, that's why Toyota gets away with it; but honestly they need to significantly improve the quality of the interior.
MSRP means nothing at this point.
The Kia Carnival you can find everywhere for $33k base new, the Toyota Sienna you won’t find for less than $50k (I’ve seen higher than $80k in Seattle) for a new base model.
Comparing apples and oranges at this point with pricing.
Yep, and these people and their delusional "but its AWD and HYBRID, way better gas mileage!!" But they spent 20K more lol
Yeah a year ago Toyota dealers near me wanted $3-5K on top of MSRP, it was a 12+ month wait, and you couldn't submit an order, you had to choose from whatever they were allocated. I have never walked out of a dealership so fast. They also don't mention how much that battery will cost to replace. Between that and the markups it's unlikely you'll see any savings with it. Kia does need to offer AWD though. That is a luxury I never want to be without again.
Minivans are Badass 👍
We need the 4 Van Showdown: Pacifica PHEV, Sienna, Carnival, & Odyssey just to see the four varieties of options available bc they are definitely not all on the same level. It would be fun to see all 4 vans with the same cost (at least within $1k window or so).
Sienna all day..AWD, HYBRID. PERFECT COMBO. The only problem is they crazy increased the price+ mark ups.... Used to be a 35k car(base model), nowadays good luck getting one at a reasonable price.
We need a TFLMinivan channel 😂
I bought the Carnival EX+, which comes with a really good center console, 360 camera and buffed-up cruising. The same features on the Sienna would only be availabe at the Limited trim, which is 16-17k CAD more before taxes. The additional gas milage on the Sienna will never make up for that price gap.
Oh, and the XSE trim with the lowered suspension is horrible. The sales person kept pitching it as a "sporty" minivan that's "fun" to drive. Who buys a minivan for sportiness? The woodland edition is better, but it still loses out on cost effectiveness vs the Carnival.
Was there any markup on your carnival?
@@afzalshaikh2128 Nope, but I had to wait about 7 months. Things should be better now. I saw new Carnivals sitting on the dealer's lot on my first service visit.
KIA carnival definitely looks better but awd&good fuel economy is a must for me so I'd have to choose the Toyota
I want to know does the Kia have a turn radius like the sienna? The dealer told me it does( I haven’t test driven yet). But the sienna does have a tight uturn radius much like a car.
@@sirena9167 I don't have exact figures, but it turns tighter than the 2 full size SUV's that we have. It hasn't felt cluncky or unwieldy for me in 4 months of daily driving, and it's been great over the short trip we took from Vancouver BC to Seattle WA.
Think of it like a sedan with a huge cabin and a longer wheel base. The suspension is also pretty nice, almost feels German.
Carnival SX prestige with the 8 seat package. Now you have luxury and utility with the ability to remove the seats. Also the middle seat can be slide all the way up to the center console so you can have easier access to the rear facing car seat
We need more and better minivans!
The Kia looks like a very low slung Tahoe
it is insane to me. friends, intelligent people, really smart people. when you say minivan, they scoff and are willing to throw double the price at a full size SUV for similar capabilities as a minivan. just insane how people can get so illogical as soon as you start suggesting a minivan.
even if it were the same price as the full size SUV, it's still not a fair fight because the minivan has automatic sliding rear doors and such a low floor height. simple insanity that such logical people go so illogical at the thought of a minivan adorning their driveway.
everything a full size SUV can do, a minivan can do it better, and then at half the price.
The Carnival is much better looking than the Sienna. But for $3k more with Sienna, you're getting much better efficiency, likely better reliability, and better resale value. It's just unfortunate the interior environment is cheaper quality and it's ugly as sin on the outside.
Much better looking? Thats subjective. I personally like the Sienna’s better
the Toyota is FAR better in every way
@@DaleWilly except it's noisier, not as responsive, harsher riding, and the interior quality not as good. Lol
@@DaleWillyit’s not better in every way, troll.
My 2021 Toyota Sienna Hybrid still running flawlessly with zero issue at 90K miles just fill up with 9 gallons of regular gas after driving 360 miles still have 1/2 tank left. It works out 40 mpg or well I over 600 miles range.
My last 2005 drove past 350 K miles with only minor repairs at trade in time. Quality and longevity, nothing can beat Toyota/Lexus.
We had this same choice a month ago and went with the KIA Carnival XSP 8Pass, for styling, drive quality and value. The reality is we got the Kia for $500 below msrp while the Sienna is hard to find in the model you want and the dealers are charging way, way over msrp. All thiings considered the only reason to go with the sienna is if you have to have AWD. We had 2006 Sienna FWD with snow tires and it did great in the mountains of Idaho. Schweitzer MT snowboarding. Dont see why the KIA wouldnt do as well with snow tires if that was needed. The new Sienna AWD would still do better in same conditions with snow tires but I would wager that the snow tires are what makes the most difference. We did a 2k mile road trip in the KIA for Christmas and it was very comfortable. MPG was 24.3 with a rooftop box and 8 people. At home we average 26mpg without the rooftop carrier box and the extra weight.
I have the same decision to make as well. Winter tires are the biggest difference than AWD except for inclines that are greater than 20 degrees. I would argue the main reason to get the Sienna is for the 36 mpg city/hwy. (Sienna forums have posted over 40 mpg on highway Eco mode). If an owner keeps it long term, the hybrid technology will pay for the itself in 5 years.
i agree..... we had a fwd kia sedona and put snows on all 4 wheels.... and never got stuck. just something to consider (and I live up in alberta where we generally have snow from november to april).
I worry about the KIA at 100K miles. The Toyota I wouldnt even blink.
Don't, i have two 14 year old Kia's, one with 250K and the other 300K miles on them.
2016 Sedona engine and transmission failure at 91,000. Kia warranty paid $12,000 for replacement. It only took three months and I had a loaner vehicle. 😂
Because you are brain warped with Toyota being the best brand…the new ones aren’t the same…Kia’s have improved significantly.
@@bradleyscarreviews Toyota mini vans are built in North Korea now.
@@woodjunkjrjr2689that’s why Dave is brain warped 😅
I like the interior of the carnival but the awd sienna has my vote. Hope there's a drag race between sienna carnival and pacifica!
carnival is junk
@@DaleWillyawesome, thanks for the detailed info you provided with that to back it up.
@@DaleWillyyou are junk.
@@DaleWilly how many accounts do you have to like your own comments? I’m sure TFL loves the UA-cam algorithm bump but dang seems quite odd.
"Side by side acceleration test"
Kia is nice but with all the Kia engine problems going on can you trust it
Their 3.5 smart stream V6 is one of their most reliable engines, not part of the Theta engines co-designed with Mitsubishi and Chrysler. We've only had them here in the US for about 4 years in mostly their large vehicles (Telluride), the Stinger, and Genesis models, but reliability is far improved on those models.
@@markcoopers1930 It's a 3.8L V6.
@@palebeachbum 3.5L V6. The 3.8L is in the Telluride.
Says it at 2:21. And on Wikipedia
Avoid turbos and cvts in all brand, Kia's non turbo engines are reliable.
@@markcoopers1930 you're right. I didn't even know they had more than one V6 in their new models.
I would be a lot more interested in the Sienna if they offered the I-force max V6 and a regular tranny. Anyone who says a minivan doesn’t need power probably doesn’t have a large family. Try maxing out your van with 6-7 people, full cargo, and driving at elevation. I currently do that with my Sedona in Montana.
That engine won't fit in a Sienna, even if it did, the Sienna would be SUPER expensive. It's already not cheap as it is.
@@LoneWolfSpartyexcept it shouldn’t be. An engine upgrade should cost 4 to 5k
@@eastonwilliams1722 ? The iForce max engine alone is like 30k as a whole assembly. And no minivan is cheap these days, regardless of the make.
Toyota minivan. Is the move. Due to awd.
Toyota is way more reliable with timing chain versus the KIA unreliable timing belt engine. KIA looks are a bit nicer but their quality is not good.
Something else to keep in mind is that the more complicated the vehicle, the more expensive it gets when performing maintenance and repairs.
One of the reasons I prefer the Honda V6 over the Toyota.
I’ll buy the Toyota over the Kia
Nah, the KIA fully loaded is $10,000 less, and it looks better than the Toyota, plus the KIA's V6 is more reliable.
Toyota for me. I like the 35mpg. Sucks that's it's so damn expensive.
@@ahwayzcool4630 yes it’s way too expensive
Kia is garbage
You're garbage lol.
Troll.
Kia touts that is has the most power but who cares about power in a minivan? Overall I prefer the Carnival, but you can't beat the hybrid powertrain and AWD in the Toyota. if Kia made the carnival in a hybrid with comparable MPGs and AWD we would get it in a heart beat (currently have a 2018 Sedona). Kind of pathetic that Kia refuses to call it a minivan (calls it am MPV instead) and can't get it with AWD. biggest problem with the toyota minivan is they are hard to come by and hard to find in a particular configuration as you can't order one. we went to look at the sienna at a local dealership and the salesman asked us if we were local or out of town and when we said local he said great the markup is only 7k and not 10k for you. Toyota makes a great quality vehicle, but not higher msrp (6-7k for top of the line) plus 7k markup good.
kia is trash all around
I drove a Caravan for a few years. It gave me my first trust issues with FCA/Stellantis products, but damn was that thing practical! Even for a college kid with no kids.
Deep snow? Front wheel drive and heavy.
Tight parking spaces on campus? That's ok I have rear sliders and a hatch if needed.
200k miles? At least!
All the interior storage/hauling space you can ask for. It made hauling lumber a breeze. Rear vent windows for ALL the airflow! It was an ugly family vehicle so you didn't care where you took it or what you put it through.
In some ways I still miss it! Minivans are underrated!
My family went through 2 Caravans: a '95 and a '06. The '95 survived numerous family riad trips and even an overseas deployment. The '06 wasn't as rugged but was luxury in my eyes with the DVD player, passenger wireless headphones, 2nd row captain chairs, and rear climate controls. I drove that bad boy to community college unashamed. If my folks had gifted me that as my first car instead of the Focus, I wouldn't have been mad at all (though it might not have lasted as long, and that says a lot comparing it to a 2014 Ford Focus... IYKYK).
@@ElijahRock92 we also had a 95 and my dad still misses that if for no other reason than the sheer visibility around you. We had a 96, 02, and 11. Each one was extremely practical!
Great review guys!
My only problem with these mini-vans (really any on market) is they can't really haul 4x8 material or anything overly large.
I will keep my old Grand Caravan going until the wheels fall off. So much utility - stow'n'go all the seats, load it up, drive to destination, unload, pop up the seats and load it with people and go off somewhere else or back to your starting point.
Pacifica can still do that no problem, so long as it isn't the Pinnacle trim which has the non-folding seats.
I have a 2022 Carnival SX with almost 52000 miles on it. It has been a fantastic vehicle with the exception of the spindle that raises and lowers the automatic opening and closing of the tailgate. It has failed twice. Other than that, no other problems. I got this one when they first came out (literally first one at the dealer) and two weeks before they started adding dealer markup to the price.
Personally, I think AWD is mostly hype. I am old enough to remember when FWD came out in the early 80s. I grew up in WV with lots of snow and hills and mountains and we found that as long as you have good tires, FWD will usually take you where need to go. You guys are looking at these from the eyes of offroaders. These aren't designed for that. And truth be said, when it snows, neither of these vehicles will probably leave their driveway. Finally, the KIA is much more premium inside. Save your money and get the KIA.
Until it blows up at 100k
The Toyota will go 300k plus
@@paulschuenke9529I really don't care what it does at that point. I don't keep vehicles that long. Most people don't so it is moot point.
@@MarkM58and this is why most people are broke. Buying new cars all the time while selling their old one for 20 cents on the dollar when it still runs fine and has years left and depreciation is close to 0.
AWD is not hype. I’m probably as old or older than you. I drive on the snowy roads of Northern California. It’s the guys in big 4WD trucks that I see spun out in a snow bank on the side of I-80. Subaru guy.
@@stevel.6245in many areas it is totally unnecessary. But they lush it anyway.
They need to stop comparing base price. Kia can be had for a discount. Sienna, you get robbed with markups from the dealer. As someone who loves toyota- the Kia is simply a better value.
Of course SUV's are just a jacked up ugly station wagons, which use more fuel and costly for tyre replacement, and mini vans are great for families if they seat up to 7, I used to own one a Toyota Tarago.
Nathan is well versed in minivans and is TFLs minivan man.
He also got a “Great Deal” on a Hyundai
kia=junk
Your a piece of human junk lol.
I had a chance to rent a toyota sienna twice to go from Arkansas back to my home state of Colorado and back to Arkansas. I stuck to back roads and averaged around 68 mph unless going thrrough a small town and my best tank was 43mpg and that was calculated by hand.
I wish they did not take away the 6 cylinders engine for the Sienna and most of other vans. I am not a fan of the 4 cylinders or hybrid.
Fuel mileage makes a big difference in cost consideration. A "soccer mom" driving around town may frown at the higher price tag of the Sienna, but an extra 10+ mpg over the Kia can equate to real cost savings in your budget as well.
Of course the Sienna is a few thousand more for a comparable package, it's a hybrid. 36mpg vs 22mpg. In addition to the extra 14mpg you can add a 1500 watt/110 volt house-type electrical receptacle. If you want to camp in your van, the Sienna can be left in READY MODE overnight so that you can run the (all electric) air conditioner all night for less than one gallon of gas. The A/C runs off of the hybrid battery, and when that runs low the gas engine automatically turns on for a minute or two so that it can recharge the battery.
Kia is very bad quality special Kia Engines known for being unreliable specialy after 75k miles
I don’t get it I don’t see it the Kia just looks like any other minivan seriously where does it looks like a crossover or suv 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I like the Kia carnival looks better than Toyota Sienna imo. However toyota wins due to reliability and gas efficiency. If kia carnival becomes hybrid I might chose it because crummy dealership price gouge Toyota siennas. But at the end of the day. Whichever one can be PHEV first has my wallet. I WOULD NOT buy the Chrysler Pacifica phev cuz it’s stellantis and u reliable.
In the past 25+ years I have owned 4 Kia/Hyundai products, and all have been great cars and very reliable. Aside from regular maintenance, the only thing that failed was a heater motor, and that was replaced under warranty. Otherwise no issues at all. Historically they only have one engine series that had issues, and that's the Theta2 series, which they gave a lifetime warranty.
I read this comment while my 2022 Hyundai is in the shop for a new transmission and I’ve been driving a Pacifica for 3 months.
There is no way the Kia even compares to the Toyota. The Toyota will last longer and have better resale value. Toyota all the way.
Not entirely true, i have 2 high mileage Kia, 250K and 300K, and they're bulletproof, just avoid turbo engines or CVTs in all brands.
@@stockey why are you spamming this comment ?
Try buying either one, it’s impossible. If you’re able to find one, get ready for a minimum $5k mark up. Want a used one? It costs more than a new one. 😔
I've said it before and I'll say it again. SUVs should come with rear sliding doors.
Kia Carnival, or in other words, "clown car."
The Carnival has been the international market name for years. The Sedona name was just for the North American market. Just like how the Optima was renamed K5.
That’s the circus like your family Anthony.
Just because Kia makes better looking vehicles than in the past doesn't mean they aren't still old school crappy Kia quality....because they are.
Don't forget, the middle row in the Kia can be removed or fold the middle seat to be a table, removed to make captain chairs and turned around to face the third row. Versatility for the W.
I was in the market for a minivan last year and test drove Honda, Toyota, and Kia. We ended up going with the Honda odyssey bc it was more comfy and cheaper than the other two. However, I do regret not going with the Sienna. The mpg is amazing and the Honda gets 19 mpg if that.
That's a good point. Have to look at fuel efficiency at top or near the top when choosing the right vehicle ten years down the road
Surprise my old honda still gives 25 mpg combined. On highway it is 29
@@bobby350zHonda odyssey?
@@jaunie8217 - yup. I don't drive it like my Z. Or it could be the computer is lying to me.
Cargo space is so much better in a minivan than the largest SUVs. I can get three adult bikes in the back of my Honda Odyssey with just the third row down (without removing the bike wheels). 2016 and 150,000 miles, great ride, no problems, auto doors, decent mileage.
I wonder why Kia makes three different V6 engines that make the same amount of power they have the 3.3 L V6 naturally aspirated that makes 290 hp and 252 pound feet of torque, the 3.5 L V6 that also makes 290 hp and 262 pound feet of torque and then the 3.8 L V6 that makes 291 hp and 262 pound feet of torque
Jus like wen toyota in tbe past had a 3.5lv6 270 hp and 4.0l v6 with 270
No way would i buy a kia over a Toyota. The lower price looks great. Until the car dies at 70k
Best thing about my Sienna XLE... Drove for 2 years... Sold for the same price I paid 😂
But won't buy a new one because the quality feel in Toyota is not good... Too much plastic
Rented a sienna for a road trip with 6 people and all our crap. Everyone was comfortable and we got 34 mpg…. Can’t best that
Not buying anything from Korea
Shows how closed minded and stupid you are .. talking before even trying. You are the reason fake news are perpetuated.
good!
Just because of the past…it isn’t 2000s
Your TV is probably Korea made...
one who is buying minivan, not for speed but for space and fuel economy
The best engine for Kia Carnival is the 2.2 liter diesel. Sadly it is not sold in America. Really smooth, effortless, with good fuel consumption.
I would take the Kia over the Toyota in a heartbeat! I HATE CVT's and batteries wear out. I don't care about the gas mileage and the Kia is nicer! I also expect the reliability of the Kia to be higher. Toyota is WAY over rated and now that they are finally getting with the times and putting in new powertrains that they don't seem to test very well, there reliability is dropping. I would never buy a Pacifica, they are JUNK, but love the stow and go seats, especially since I would be using my as a cargo van most of the time, it is just me and my dog.
Higher reliability on a Kia lol
@@JoseIgnacioSerranoSuarez Not so sure what is funny about it, it is TRUE, and the more Honda and Toyota are trying to "get with the times" they are making mistakes, NOT testing things, and reliability is going down the crapper! Take the Tundra and Taco for instance, BOTH Ford wannabees!
@@danr4197 just say you don’t like Toyotas and can’t afford it
@@JoseIgnacioSerranoSuarez ROTFLMFAO! Number ONE, have you priced most of the Kia and Hyundai's lately? SECIND, If I say "I can't "afford it", it would be for a GD Pickup Truck! Especially the Ford! lol Well what comes around goes around and WHATEVER I decide to buy but still KEEP my 2009 Hyundai Sonata I bought new June 1, 2009 NEVER repaired, I WILL be getting a DELICIOUS DEAL!
We feel like the Chrysler Pacifica should have been on the list due to Stow&go and AWD
The hybrid Pacifica I will agree isn’t very reliable and doesn’t offer AWD or stow&go but the Traditional V6 and AWD is such a great combo
My understanding is that Chrysler is going through a massive financial crisis. Likely couldn’t afford to loan one to these guys.
@haroldbeauchamp377i wish stow and go on the hybrid 0
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 That's not true, Chrysler is part of a huge conglomerate that is financially sound. The reason there are so few Chrysler products is because FCA halted new vehicle development for several years while they were seeking a merger partner. Now there are new vehicles in development again, but they are years behind the competition.
@@Johnny_Socko thanks for the information. My comment was based solely on the recent news story of them pulling out of car shows due to financial concerns.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Oh, I see what you're saying. I think the financial concerns they were talking about were "Auto shows cost too damn much", lol. (Personally I think it's a mistake...auto shows are a good way for people to check out cars without going to a dealer.)
Dodge Caravan should have been refined not discontinued.
Sto an go seats! Cavernous flat space.
I had a Kia Soul for 10 years. The last two years it was using oil almost as fast as the gas. My wife likes the looks of the Carnival but with the mileage it gets and reliability Toyota is known for, the Sienna was an easy pick for us.
Yeah, soul with a wimpy 4 cylinder that was under the recall, not a bulletproof v6 from Kia. These are great motors.
Your Soul wouldn't have been burning oil if you actually changed your oil when recommended. Skill issue.
@@TheRealCatoffunny, I actually changed it more often then recommended. It’s just a poor design and that’s why they had a class action lawsuit about the oil consumption. They extended the drivetrain warranty to 150,000 miles but I had 160,000 so I was SOL.
@@TheRealCatof The GDI engine in the Soul builds up carbon (as all direct injection engines do). I dont think you can conclude the oil burning is as a result of the oil chance schedule. You're just assuming.
do you know about the recent massive Toyota recalls? There is your Toyota reliability... Google it.
Cool example of the new smart glasses. A new tool that the TFL team will be fighting for their video reviews. Hands free performance for walk arounds and event coverage. Just walk and talk. Cool!
I'd never consider Kia. The company does not stand behind their products when things go wrong.
If safety is your priority, Kia Carnival should be avoided. It has ridiculous bumper mounted turn signals that are virtually invisible in traffic. In a world of suvs and crossovers, the turn signals are mounted too low to be visible. (stupid name, great vehicle) is slightly better in execution, function, fit and finish, but lacks the efficiency of the Sienna. However, Kia is losing sales on the lack of awd.
Toyota is way better lol
Yes
You are wrong.... You have not driven one obviously.
@@dirtsailoroff-road5580 care to elaborate now that you know it’s an eCVT?
36 mph buddy@@dirtsailoroff-road5580
Yes. So I got woodland edition last month. But kia is coming out with hybrid 1.6 turbo but no AWD.
So I will get toyota. Lol. Both are awesome minivan. I had all minivan. 2004 sienna. 2006 odyssey, 2007 quest, 2016 Sedona and now 2024 sienna AWD hybrid with 0.6 inch leveled. Lol.
I've been saying it for awhile now. Most folks don't need SUVs, minivans are more practical in everyday use.
If you use the criteria of reliabilty and longevity the Toyota wins easily. What are the odds the Kia will still be on the road fifteen years from now? Will the Kia still be on its original transmission at that point? And what about the Kia's engine fifteen years from now?
Check out the 2023 JD Power reliability scores. Lexus, Genesis, and KIA take the top 3 slots. Toyota is number 8!!!! Stop drinking the Toyota Kool-aid.
@@MarkM58exactly.
@@MarkM58 JDPower is a joke as any car expert will tell you .
the amount of engine replacement in hyundia/kia last 5 years alone would make this reliability a joke as compared to toyota. plus they count useless and new features in their score.
@@joharknThat's because of their theda motors which were absolute hot garbage besides that they're pretty good especially if you get the v6
The Carnival is a great dad-van
No.
the kia is a terrible family-van
@emikomina sure it is a great family van and great for dads (or mamas) who need the space!
Unless they’ve changed, Siennas are a bit aggressive with the power steering. We have an older SE trim and I hate driving it. There is almost no return-to-center feedback and it makes the vehicle feel numb to me. The drive by wire throttle response feels odd to me too.
BUT, it is definitely a well built and reliable machine.
You guys were supposed to check the sliding door safety mechanism. Somebody has to sacrifice an arm.
I was getting tired of waiting for my Sienna and was looking at the math of the odyssey and the gas savings would let me recoup the price difference after 4-5 years
Mini vans are so versatile. As a surfer I love the space and ability to sleep and change inside. But it is still the most emasculating vehicle out there. I’ll stick with the truck for now.
Love minivans!
I need an Acura mini van with SHAWD and Turbo 6 cylinder from the MDX Type S, They can call it the ODX Type S! LOL! But seriously though, it would be cool if Honda just added the AWD from the Pilot to the Odyssey and a power front passenger seat the has the same number of adjustments as the driver seat.
give me the V6 any day for towing or i wish the Carnival turbo diesel came to North America.. power and engine braking is better with the V6 the hybrid regen brakes varies with state of charge and the smaller engine just doesn't give that hold back going down hills would get pushed around by a trailer or if just loaded
Why does nobody say that the eCVT has no belt?
For the same reason why they think most minivans don't have AWD is a crossover competition and not a slave saving problem. Toyota has AWD due to an electric rear. KIA would have to somehow jam a drive shaft in the rear without taking away the deep trunk space with its power train.
@RDJ1SS Toyota had always offered AWD in the Sienna since 2004, and it didn't come with a hybrid powertrain. I know Kia can offer the Carnival with AWD, they just didn't want to.
@@damilolaakanni holy crap, honestly didn't know this. Now I want a used AWD sienna no other car makes sense
Good, but the resale value and quality are in Toyota.
I have 2 Hyundais and 1 Toyota. Both of them are 2020’s. My 2 Hyundais have had no problems at ALL on the other and my Toyota has blew up 3 times and had more maintenance than I can count. Transmission/ blew up, Engine exploded, then the Transmission blew up again under normal use. I don’t even go that far, they only have around 40k miles. I don’t abuse them or go over speed limits. Also my gas cap rusted off.. And I use it a lot it’s not like it’s in a barn sitting there. I know my friends and family had similar experiences with Toyota as I did. And turns out the problems I had are actually kind of common with Toyota vehicles, I think Toyotas days of “Best reliability” are well gone and they are using their past to advertise that they have the best cars. Have my 2 Hyundais work perfectly, a lot of my friends and family own Hyundais and never has big issues. Im picking Hyundai/Kia all day thank you
Agreed!
um sure. :O lOL
I know KIA is really good with interior spacing and value for money with features but nothing beats AWD.
Toyota will outlast the Kia!
My money on Toyota i have 2004 with 338000 miles still going strong
Too bad you couldn’t get a Honda Odyssey for this video to compare all three. The odyssey may not get the mpg that the sienna does but it’s a lot nicer to drive and will hold its value better than the carnival.
Plus it’s 10 years old.
@@UA-camuser1aaand a new Toyota or Kia still doesn’t drive as well.
@@lp6wo sure buddy
I bought a 2016 Honda Odyssey new and the engine blew up before 60k miles. That's when I came to discover that Honda reliability doesn't translate to their v6 engines /. heavier vehicles. They have a long history of bad products in this segment.
@@tesseract535 their cvt is a joke
Kia engine is like shit. Toyota engine lasts forever
AWD is OVERRATED
The resale value on Kia’s says a lot, they are easy to steal, and you don’t see many old Kia’s on the road either. Sienna all day
Where is the Odyssey, the standard of mini van. Others are judge by. Secondly you need the Pacifica since Plymouth/Chrysler founded this vehicle and voyagers were long the standard in mini van market. Now known as ugh Pacifica’s Sienna, odyssey, Pacifica Kia would be a nice test side by side. Moneys on the odyssey and it’s not close with sienna pacifica and Kia finishing in that order. Unsure of stellantis when it was cheaper was a leading product. In its market segmart but fell of with stellantis purchase. Kia quality after 109k miles never been what you call solid Honda and Toyota both known for reliability and quality for those of us who keep our vehicles and not trade them every third year.
Toyota baby! I dont care if the KIA has all the bells and whistles 😂
I have a Carnival SX Prestige, it was 10K cheaper than the Toyota Sienna, Toyota repair guy said if you have to repair the Sienna, it's pretty pricey (i.e. CTIS wheel is $600 a piece). Kia is coming out with a hybrid for 2025, at probably a similar price point so either one should work (nice to have options), or you can save 30K and get a 2015 Honda Odyssey ;)
For 2015 the Kia Sedona was rated as the most reliable minivan! Hard to believe Korean vehicle was rated as more reliable than the Japanese!!
Love how they have the same folding mechanism but somehow the Toyota is better 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Both have cumbersome folding seats. The Pacifica wins in my scoring. I wouldn’t by a Mina van for mpg. Just need power-utility- and price
I worked for a company that ran a fleet of Caravans. They would run those vans hard putting over 300,000 miles. They would have transmission issues but the engines were solid.
Which van?
I like Pacifica stow n go seats. I wish you can buy deleted third row. I don’t need it. I need CARGO room more than anything. Now they are getting rid of small cargo vans this year. My option would be a cheaper model of a minivan. Pacifica seems to be the leader on my list.
Hands down the Sienna is the one to get. An AWD system and a proven hybrid drivetrain that will save you thousands of dollars year after year compared to the competition is a no brainer. The Platinum grade is much quieter than the others if noise levels are a concern for you. Toyota quality, reliability, resale value, reputation go an awful long way.
Middle row seats can be removed in other Carnival trims. I've done it and placed several sheets of 4x8 plywood on the floor. Plus the difference is way more than 3k. You're comparing a mid trim Toyota with a tom trim Carnival and it's already a 3k difference. Compare prices between same trims. It takes many years before you make up the difference in gas price savings...
Minivans have always been more practical than SUVs. I think the updated styling on nearly all the newer models are what make them more appealing nowadays.
You think Kia is better than Honda odyssey???
Where’s the Odyssey in this video?
Go drive drive the Kia for yourself
Probably should've included the Chrysler Pacifica. With stow n go you can fit plywood in it. We have a 2019 Dodge Grand Caravan GT and use it to haul bigger things than my truck.
I love the Carnivals styling better and living in Southern California don’t need AWD