Alfa Romeo Tonale vs Dodge Hornet - Performance Crossover Car War
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- In a recent Stellantis controversy, Dodge's new crossover displeases Alfa Romeo. Here's why.
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Also yah yah, technically the Alfa gold is a tricoat and the Dodge gold isn't, but it seems to use the same base paint color.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction/Opening Titles
01:00 The Tonale
07:00 The Hornet
09:25 The Crossover
15:05 Conclusion
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As the owner of a 2019 Stelvio, I worry about brand dilution. This downmarket Hornet will attract a decidedly different type of buyer and thats ok for the survival of Dodge, dealers and Stellantis. However, it almost feels as if they sacrificed Alfa Romeo in the process. Also, when it comes time to replace my Stelvio, i will not be going to the Dodge dealer. I will definitely go back to Alfa Romeo. Hopefully in a couple years, they will have a broader selection.
Under Marchione Alfa took most of the R&D money and wasted loads of money on the guilia (years late) that was an overpriced flop in the US while Dodge and Chrysler limped along with old models.
Also as was noted - this model is based on the dodge compass
I love my 2018 Giulia Quadrifoglio more than all the Ferraris and Porsches I have owned, and in fact own now. The Quad is magic.
@@kevind2760 Absolutely. The Stelvio Quad is even better. Blasphemy, I know, but it's true. The all wheel drive really helps it put the power down.
In regard to the type of buyer that the Dodge will attract, the Hornet should be known as the “Redneck Romeo”
@@gordtulk Do you work for the Biden administration because that is the strangest spin I've ever heard. If it wasn't for the late GREAT Sergio Marchionne you wouldn't have Alfa in the US. He created two jewels with the Giulia and the Stelvio and the Quadrifoglio versions are a BIG MIDDLE FINGER to the Germans. I own a custom ordered 2017 Giulia Quad and a 2020 Stelvio Ti Sport. Both based on the AMAZING Giorgio platform (which Marchionne spear headed) have set the bar in their class for handling, steering, acceleration and overall driving dynamics. He commissioned a Ferrari Skunkworks team to develop those models and his vision was realized by the end products. Regarding sales figures, Alfa was and in some cases still is, brand X in the US, however, the beauty and RELIABILITY and driving dynamics of their offerings is gaining them new fans by the thousands. Creating a loyal following in a foreign market will not happen over night. FORZA ALFA BABY !!!! THE KING IS BACK !!!!
I work at an Alfa dealership and I agree with everything you said. The Hornet has made the Tonale an absolute nonstarter. No one in their right mind would buy a Tonale when the Hornet is almost the exact same thing for cheaper. I don't expect the Tonale to sell well AT ALL.
Dodge RT is priced higher. In fact most people are saying the Dodge is priced too high and that you might as well get a BMW X1.
I would never buy a Dodge. It might be cheaper, bit Hornet 8s far uglier. The Tonale is just beautiful. Being a first edition and hearing about many, if minor, electrical weirdness is making me very hesitant to buy. I would like to see Alfo still selling cars in US in 5-10 years, but current sales make me wonder if stellantis is just going to wash their hands 9f Alfa in US
That front end change: Chrysler did the same thing with the long-departed Crossfire, built on a Mercedes SLK platform. The concept car had a dramatic front end, with vertically-oriented headlights, but Chrysler thought the production car should have a "more-corporate-looking" front. So they watered it down for production, and lost sales (well, there were other problems, as well).
As u said it right! C.Benz gave second hand asses for Chr but from Alfa Romeo u get our best to make u better...all happy makin mon...about polithics don now don care canno make a change...US anthem...😭
That was an amazing well thought out video , great job man loved it , the music , editing, commentary, right on par buddy 👍👍
The “cheap” Hornet PHEV is $72k with financing in Canada. What a bad joke
Thanks for the AWESOME history lesson!
For me, I don’t have brand loyalty, I go with what my needs are, what I can afford and what the product can provide me at my price level. Dodge Hornet ticks all the boxes for my needs and the options are within my price point. Mind you I am only aiming at the GT Plus not the hybrid variants.
I absolutely support the people who continue to buy and replace their vehicles with the same brand but as a car enthusiast the Alfa Romeo Tonale didn’t tick all of my boxes that the Hornet had.
The Alpha comes in all wheel drive which to me is a huge selling point.
Great Video 👍. Its rumoured the next generation Fiat Tipo replacement is also going to be a re worked version of the Alfa Tonale/Dodge Hornet. A heavily disguised Hornet has been seen around Bursa Turkey where both the current Fiat Tipo(Egea) / Dodge Neon models are manufactured by Tofas.
seems like it’s going to be the like choosing between the cadillac, gmc, and chevy suv. same vehicles with different front end… over paying for a few trim options.
Excellent informative vilog.
Still buying thr Hornet GT.
Enjoyed the show. Bit late to the punch but humor was a nice change from most reviews.
Great break down. Im nervous about reliability but outside of that I love the Hornet and when my current lease is up 2026 I'd love to get one. This or Acura RDX A-Spec.
I am curious about the reliability as well. Most people buying in this segment likely won't be aware of the Hornet's Italian engineering, and it'll probably sell better based on better brand recognition, which means I think a lot will sell overall. And from that I think we will, eventually, have pretty good data on the reliability. As usual the first MY may have some bugs to iron out, although with any luck, with the Tonale already on the roads in Europe, maybe they'll find some things to quickly iron out before the US Hornets and Tonale's land. Maybe. Who knows. The RDX is really good too.
@@velocemidwest The 1.3 Multi-air engine used is the same one they have been using for years now in the Fiat 500. The Multi-Air technology (see UA-cam videos on it) is over 8 years old now, fully debugged, and is far simpler than the cam switching tech used in Honda VTEC engines. It's an amazing technology to have a software defined electrohydraulic intake valve system, and it gives MultiAir engines about a 10% advantage over static cam engines. Italian products have a bad reputation (from a long time ago), but this engine is very clever, and used so broadly in Europe where 1.3L is considered a medium sized engine... In Brasil motors are 1 L, and a huge chunk of Japan's engines are only 0.6 L... Americans drive fast on freeways and we don't like puny motors.
Interestingly, there is a 1.3 L diesel engine that is also used by Stellantis in various territories, that was jointly developed with GM. That is also a clever little engine. What is made in huge quantities, usually gets all the bugs worked out. I would be apprehensive if Alfa offered motors that are not used elsewhere.
Bravo! Great Video comparison. The challenge with Alfa Romeo is the resale values are not that good. Plus their reliability is also not good especially when compared to a Lexus. I think the Dodge Hornet is going to sell like the previous generation Mazda CX5 and will be very popular. :)
I'm excited to see a new Dodge for the first time in years. And I like that it's not being marketed as a breadbox but an actual fun driving machine. As far as Alpha being butthurt about it, that's just part of being corporate cousins, nbd to the avg buyer.
Alfa Romeo
U know Fiat owe Chrysler before Stellantis just buy it Alfa Romeo need some pocketmoney made in Italy must wet u pants enough...just buy it!!!
Nice review, but why didn't you explain more of how Dodge screwed Alfa Romeo by essentially just taking their creation without changing much. About how it's just rubbing poop in the face of a brand that has been producing special cars for over 111 years. This Alfa Romeo Tonale has tradition built into it. The GT Sprint line along the side of the vehicle that pays tribute to the Sprint GT and GTA. The front lighting that tributes SZ. The lower rear window point that tributes the 8C and the Brera. And the worst part for me. Taking the Ocra GT color that is clearly a GT and GTA color from Alfa Romeo's past. Sharing a platform is common. But the smart companies make changes in order to make each one indistinguishable. In short, it's bullshit. True individuals that know Alfa Romeo will hopefully thumb their noses at Dodge and pay tribute to what this car is supposed to do for the brand. It's been a great thing for them so far in European countries. If I'm being honest though, some American buyers won't care. They will just drive around their spaghettios. Instead of the Italian Tonale that Alfa Romeo spent millions developing. Could have been done ethically, but Dodge brass blew it.
@@jimparsons9961 thank you sorry didnt read all yet enough with the classic Zagato design headlights its a frontewheel suv with a Jeep platform/engine even! How is that related to for example the Bertone coupe GTA?
@@pellehh4540 ok dude. 👍
I can definitely see the Hornet eating the Tonale marketshare completely... not enough of a difference between the two except to those who care about the Alfa brand. Personally as an Alfa driver I hope they come out with something else to branch out in the U.S. market than a crossover...
Alfa Romeo isn't butthurt over the Hornet and Stellantis isn't dumb for offering the two cars side by side, Alfa has a much larger presence in Europe whereas Dodge has a substantially larger presence in the United States, in the United States Alfa has only 132 dealerships Nationwide compared to DCJR dealerships 2415. My Wife and I own a 2018 Jeep Renegade which is also based upon the same platform, it has been a great vehicle for us. Once we pay off the Jeep we are most likely go purchase a Hornet GLH
I have to say I am very interested to see what the GLH will exactly be, and how it'll differ from the R/T. I haven't seen any concrete specs for the GLH though, and at the MKE show last month they said it was still technically a prototype.
@@velocemidwest I think the GLH is going to be a disappointment. It will look good but with less than 300HP it will be a big disappointment with the GLH name. @Dodge if you not coming with 300+ hp don't bother using the GLH name. Yes the Old GLH didn't have 300HP but it didn't need it back then......it needs it now.
Thanks for all that info & making a video!
The Hornet is not much cheaper than the Tonale and I believe we can ultimately get Tonales for even cheaper using the Federal EV tax credit loophole. As I’ve been pricing out cars lately it looks like the phev versions are almost identical in price. Dodge isn’t letting us price the phev like Alfa is yet but from what I found it’ll be at most $1-2k less. This is where the leasing loophole comes in.
The feds left a loophole for commercial EVs where all these new regulations don’t apply. When you lease an EV the leasing company will get the full $7,500 credit since it’s a commercial vehicle owned by them that they’re renting to you & it’s up to them to decide to pass it on to you or not. Toyota & other large dealers don’t & I’m doubtful Dodge will either. But Alfa has confirmed it’s eligible & will pass the savings on based on my discussions with my local dealer in CA. So you can get a cheaper lease & ultimately just lease to own a Tonale & with the $7,500 credit it will ultimately be cheaper than buying an at most $2k less Hornet.
Why is this comment loved?
The NFT technology is for service people to retain ability to access YOUR vehicles data, it's not some nifty feature.
The two cars are based off the JEEP Compass platform...what did you think would happen?
They are not priced only 2k USD apart....more like 8-10K apart.
The PHEV will not qualify for the entire rebate.
Further, Alfa has done this to themselves. They knowingly overpriced their current lineup and that will further alienate potential customers.
The cheap Hornet PHEV is $72k with financing in Canada. I was third on the list to order one. I old them to keep it
The Alfa also doesn't get Red Leather seats which the Dodge does. The Dodge also benefits form the Gold colour that Alfa developed and recieves more fashionabe and modern colours.
Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infinity, VW/Audi, Dodge/Alfa-Romeo. I drove my Stelvio to Mississippi and nobody could even say Alfa-Romeo properly, and there was no dealership for hundreds of miles, so I see why being able to sell a version as a Dodge, which many Americans think is a domestic brand, makes sense. They did this with the Dart, which was an Alfa-Romeo really kinda. Or fiat, it's confusing.
Yah, iirc the Dart was called the Fiat Chroma in Mexico, which I think was the only other market it was sold in (might be wrong). Platform was distantly related to whatever the Alfa Giulietta was on, I think. And yah, Alfa's poor dealership network doesn't aide them.
ROFL I loved this video. Especially when he said... Oh wait, the colors are the same LOL
I think they meant to put NFC instead of nft the car is supposed to be able to transmit info without plug in
My first car, back in 1967, was a 101 series Alfa 1600 Sprint. Many more Alfas followed until, with a Milano, I'd finally had enough. Alfisti will get the name, others might not. I now daily a '16 Mazda MX-5/Miata and am looking hard at 6-speed manual Jaguar F-Types, no more Alfas for me, sad to say. Though some might say that a Jaguar is just looking for trouble and they might be right.
Heh, just bought a V6 XF myself. I'm fully expecting trouble at some point.
@@velocemidwest I've had a '68 XK-E and an XJS, it might be time for an F-Type before I shuffle off this mortal coil. Has to be a stick shift though, slim pickings on those.
If you love Fruit Loops cereal then i’m sure you’ll like Fruity Rings. Same concept.
It became the Toe Nail in the coffin.. 😂
Alfa Romeo sales in the United States are horrible....Hopefully the Hornets are a hell of alot better
Your kids will mock u knowing u don drive the original just a copy! Love Dodge good we take care of u...for all
From upper class Rome to EBT Atlanta lol
OK...did I miss the MPG? Also can you get REAL tires on this car? I don't like those large rims and small tires because if you hit a pothole it is easy to damage the tire AND the rim and BOTH are very expensive!
1) MPG for the Dodge Hornet with the 2.0 turbo is 21/29 (city/hwy). MPG for the plug-in-hybrid has not been released but all-electric range has been stated to be 30 miles.
2) And yes, real tires can be specced with both cars if you don't want the big rims.
The Hornet can be had with 17 inch wheels with 60 section tires (base GT), or can be had with 18 inch wheels with 55 section tires (GT w/ backtop package, GT PLUS w/ backtop package, base R/T). Recommendation: Go with the base GT so you get the most tire!
The Tonale can be had with 18 inch wheels with 55 section tires (base Sprint & base TI).
Hope that helps
The Dodge Hornet is assembled in Italy, so actually it is an Italian SUV?
Never liked the looks of cars with eyelashes, but @9:00 some long eyelashes would work at least from that angle. Maybe even change out the grilles emblem for 2 front teeth.
I've said it before...and I'll say it again....there was NO Semi-Conductor shortage....it was all artificial for them to "buy time"...
The problem is that NONE of the engine options are truly....PERFORMANCE.
Nothing....let me repeat that....NOTHING, except something of the order of a 350bhp engine would help them now.
And...what's the difference between 35k and 49K?
Price disparity.
Gang…….that’s the same design 😭😭😭😭
It's like if someone stole your homework. Sure you're in the same class but I'd still be upset if someone else got credit for my hard work.
Someone put a torniquet on Dodge to stop them from bleeding out to Fiat/Stelantis. The actual Dodge line-up is a joke now. What's bad is, they will sell to people having no idea where the GLH & GLHS originated from. The 2.4 Turbo in the Neon/Caliber/PT Cruiser was a monster. If they rolled out a modern "real" CSX meeting today's standard, that would be worth it. For me, you can get an AWD Escape 2.0 T and have more room. You're only about a few tenths slower than the GLHS.
The Alpha defiantly looks better. How much is that worth to you?
It’s Alfa. Not Alpha. Alfa Romeo.
@Philip Columbus yeah, you're right Karen, typos happen.
@@joelbaker2172 Sorry if I offended you. I guess only another Karen would respond as you did. So, I think we are even. 😀
@philipcolumbus3054 who cares , they are both junk...
I personally think in 40 years or so. The dodge hornet will become one of those weird collectible cars, like the GLH.
Maybe as, "the car nobody asked for".
So lets get this straight, the Tonale/Hornet chassis is based on the Compass. Isn't the Compass chassis based on the Fiat 500 XL? That being said, it more than likely has been reworked completly because of Alfa, but that would make that a 8 to 10 year old chassis to begin with? Alfa should be upset with Dodge, higher up is to blame. They just gave this to Dodge, said make it look like a Dodge and here are the trim levels. Since Dodge only had three vehicles(yes three) in it's line up, what were they going to say?
Jeep Renegade is based on the Fiat, not the Compass
@@Greatdome99 If I'm not mistaken, they both are. They reworked the 500L platform to work with AWD for the Compass.
...nor Asia i believe
Alfa be focusing on the wrong things, Alfa should have brought back the 4c and make it a 6c, but Maserati beat them to it with the MC 20, but it would have been nice to have another cheap Italian sports car option other than the MC 20.
IMO you called it correctly - Alfa was raped by Dodge to arrive at the Hornet model. I don't blame Dodge, but I do blame Stellantis, who should know better. As a current Alfa Giulia owner, I'd like to see more dealers and improved parts and service, but that's unlikely to happen when you have only two aging models to sell on your showroom floor.
The Tonale is new.
@@joevelte4252 Yes, but in America the same car (Hornet) will be available for some $10k less. Who would pay another $10k for badge value?
@@rlsedition That may depend on where the cars are built. The Tonale is boilt only in the Pomigliano factory in south Italy. I don't know if the Hornet is made in the USA or Mexico or with the Tonale in the same factory.
@@F51361 The Hornet is built in the same factory as the Tonale, which is obvious since the Hornet is a dead nuts copy.
@@rlsedition yes I know but often here in Italy things are not made following logical and obvious methods... Anyway I thought that for the american market the car could be build directly there avoiding transportation.
I’m done with Dodge it’s a bad move….
I mean neither is going to sell well so...🤷🏾♂️
At least you're not like that hack DeMuro.
You guys keep missing the point. The Alfa is more upscale than the Dodge. Alfa will be available in Europe, Dodge is pretty much North American as it should be. Alfa has already been downgraded by having some Fiat underpinnings.
Too bad as both look good. Problem Alfa fans won’t buy it because of the dodge and huge price difference. Dodge fan won’t buy it as doesn’t have a Hemi
Screw Dodge. That's my opinion now. Dodge spits out MOSTLY crap, every one of Alfa's cars are great.
The dodge will fail
has the basis for a good video, but way too much snark…
I saw the Tonale in Italy last fall, and my local CDJR dealership in Ripon has their first Hornet right now in that grungy ‘Blue Steele’ color…
I answered lots of questions they have about it…
The Dodge Boys have no idea what this car really is yet…
I love Alfa Romeo and adored my ‘18 Stelvio TI Sport lease…but I explained to the salesman that not every Dodge Bro will warm to the Hornet…
…and not every CDJR Tech will want to service them…speaking as a former FIAT guy…it’s not exactly an amazing union.
Popping the corn to watch this play out…
Alfa making 4 door anything is not the heritage nor niche it should mess with. A 3 door hatchback similar to Veloster maybe lifted a bit but minimal electronics on a plug-in hybrid. Give me gauges and digital panels, no connectivity no computer interactives just what runs the drivetrain efficiently. No touch screen nonsense, nothing that feels like a plastic soda bottle wrapped in vinyl like a disposable Tesla overpriced hackable car. I don't want anything that's hackable no wifi no Bluetooth no links and remote updates. Something minimalist, light with range and good handling on ideal and less than ideal roads. A foot of ground clearance. Stop pretending we want to sit on the ground. Batteries and electric motor can be put low and slightly mid-forward. A 3 cylinder ICE with front wheel drive. Or flip the idea and electric in front. Management system to drive the most ideal blend, and electric only when those inputs say it's best efficiency in efficiency modes. Plug-in hybrid is the future but the ICE needs to be modular so in the event it needs to become ethanol or hydrogen, we don't have to toss the whole car.
Dodge is not sold in Europe
Why are y’all comparing this to the dodge everybody copied from f one another what else is new the dodge is nice!
There is no need to
Horn Honk Lock your car.
One click of your fob
Light Flash ONLY
Confirms your vehicle is locked and armed.
People click the fob twice out of habit but it is not needed to assure your vehicle is locked and armed. It only creates noise that wakes people from sleep.
Aren’t both these models built in Mexico?
Italy
!! Please lower the background music volume, it interferes with comprehension of your voice.
The colors are not the same; you can't get the green in the Hornet. And the Hornet only has the 4 cylinder, 2 liter engine. No hybrid. You can only get the red leather seats in the Hornet GT Plus model which is 37k. The Tonale is 51k with the red leather and nice green, and probably a better stereo. Only the Hornet can be had in the Blue Steele matte color (the only matte color on either car).
Stellantis is being greedy and out of their minds if they think customers are this stupid to pay $14k more just to get a nice green exterior, and better gas mileage, but a much less powerful motor. Wealthy people, if they cared about gas mileage would get a Lexus Hybrid model.
They are doomed with this kind of customer manipulation. Why do these spreadsheet jockeys think that we want to spend $14k more to get a few MPG better, when the 10k more costs us in registration fees, sales tax, and ongoing insurance costs, more than we would ever save on fuel costs?? They should be a lot closer in price.
Funny how dodge cant design there own vehicle anymore 🙄
They're not allowed to.
Fiat own dodge buy the USA dodge company.
Alfa mad? LOL I bet. Haha. The Dodge will be the seller, the hit, and the other one will prob do just okay. The Dodge will be the one to get for those who want the thing not to be recalled a week after they get it for something that could have been fixed prior to sale. Yep, they the same but who cares, Dodge will shit on Alfa.
It's the same car! They are both turds....
The Dodge Hornet is no real Dodge at all, it's nothing more than a useless cheap knockoff of the gorgeous Alfa Tonale. The Hornet would've taken the Charger and Challenger for inspiration instead of stealing the design of the Tonale for itself. What a real shame for Dodge. The Hornet could mean death for Dodge just like the Aztek and Torrent killed off Pontiac two decades back.
VERBOSE, long winded, failing to get to any point until you lose views. Check your analytics. Wishing you the best.
BTW what the f does a Hudson hornet have to do with these current vehicles?
My thoughts exactly. The video should've focused on the Hornet's features and driving behavior and mentioned the Tonale in passing.
You both completely missed the point of the video.
@@MaNA_tW Not according to Paul, Luke, Mark, and John.
Dodge > Alfa Romeo
It's the same car , both made on the same line in Italy! So how will the Dodge be better? Oh please do explain.
FYI, they are both turds...
The Hornet proves that Premium doesn't excist anymore. The Alfa Tonale is just a blown-up 2003 Fiat Punto, that can easily be sold for less money than Alfa asks for it. Qualitywise and luxurywise 'budget' brands like Kia and Hyundai have surpassed Alfa in almost every way. Alfa made the wrong choice to want to be 'premium'. Their best sold cars in history were the Alfa Sud and Alfa 33, which were sporty and more posh Fiats, which normal consumers could afford. Noone wants to trade their BMW or Mercedes for a Medieval Alfa. Carfanatics love Alfas for their sportiness, but they don't buy cars.